Bachelor Happy Hour - A Closer Look with the ‘Love Virgin’!

Episode Date: July 25, 2024

Today on “Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena are with Sam N. from “The Bachelorette”! The notorious “Love Virgin” gives us the inside scoop on his quest for love. We kick off today’s episode learning a little more about Sam N. and his relationship with romance. Then, we get into one of this week’s biggest moments: Sam’s Thunder from Down Under performance — how did that plan come to be?  Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Ben for Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here with our guest today, Sam N. Can I call you Sammy? Do you, does anybody call you Sammy, Sam? My real name is actually Sommon. You can call me Sommon if you want. Samon? Samon. Okay. So, if you guys sing North Rings, character Sarmon, just instead of saying with an R's name with an M. Sarman. Saman.

Yeah. You're Persian, correct? Yes. Okay. Yeah, because it is very difficult between you, because there is a Sam N and a Sam M. Yes, which it's not uncommon to have, you know, people on the season with the same name. Like, I was

Serena P and then there was Serena C. Actually, quite a similar situation. But we were saying it's so hard because we were talking a lot about obviously you and the other Sam from this last episode. and it just sounds so similar, Sam M versus Sam N. We're a total juxtaposition of each other. You're so different.

You could have been more different. He was a first impression. I was last. He was one hair, blue eyes. I got black hair, brown eyes. Yeah, I'm just kidding. But yeah. No, truly, you look different.

Your personality's different, but your names, unfortunately, for us, and recapbing this episode sounds so similar. I actually want to get into a little bit of your relationship with the other Sam, but before we do, let's get into a little bit about your background where you're from, where you live now, and how you got on the show. Yeah, so a little bit about my background is, so like what I do for work is I started a private equity firm. I was 19 that builds and scales automotive shops.

I started in smart shops. So if you live in California, that's what it was like my niche. I lived at home when I was 19. I was raised from a traditional Persian household. Um, so like growing up, I education was a huge emphasis in my, uh, in my family. Um, so I kind of focused on that through high school. Um, and then I didn't really, I guess, get into any university I really wanted to go into. And my passion is kind of alert to like more into like going into business. So I started my business. Um, do you still have, do you still have the private equity company? Yeah. So that's what I'm asking. So I'm a little bit more absent. So essentially, um, um, For me, I went back to school for my family. Like, yeah, no, it's, it's day of it. It's brick and mortar.

So they're kind of like, just kind of steady state at this moment. Okay. Wait, what, what is, what do you invest in when you invest in this company? No, so I bootstrapped. So I started it. So basically, I started first, my first business and my first shop is a smock station. So if you guys live in California, it's essentially, it's a way for you to register, like you get your vehicle like emissions checked and then um basically because i was in a tech or

mechanic like my advantage like my my backgrounds i'm technical right so and i lived at home so it's very easy for me to scale so i ended up just finding like units all around uh southern california and just building them out and then basically tracking customers from that um and i guess like to kind of go into it because i've never had a relationship till gen to be honest um i never had a not in like elementary school high school elementary school no i had what you call a persian glow up so for me uh i never had um female attention until i was like about 22 23 it's the reason why i gone to business and like i guess i don't want to say i was marginalized i grew up in carlsbad which is a predominantly uh like surfer like like like type of demographic right

it's best way to describe it and i was always kind of a misfit and an introvert is the best way to describe it where I'm a huge cliche as you guys will know so for me um I like loved watching movies growing up um I love playing video games and I pretty much kind of like isolated myself in that way growing up and I was always behind a computer and then pretty much uh that was kind of high school I was like my high school I never I never went to prom I didn't do it's not like I didn't want to it was just one of those things where um I just never had that a let's say the attention or that type of way. You know, you'll see I didn't even know how to hold her hand at a moment. I was, it's an art, you know, like, I was thinking about how you hold a girl's hand, you know?

It's just, yeah. Interesting. So I didn't have that in high school. And then I wanted, because I wanted that, right? I always wanted to be in a relationship or have a partner that supported me. That's where I was like, you know what? I want, let me focus on, like, education and work, right? Let me build something out of myself so I can become someone, right? I have a question. So you said that you grew up in a traditional Persian household and obviously education is very important. What was the expectation from your family, maybe on what your relationship life would look like? Obviously, you found a lot of success in your career and you know your education. So I'm sure they're very proud and satisfied in that aspect of your life. Was there any pressure to like find a wife and get married? No, because I guess yes. as I'm getting older, but my brother, so I'm an older brother, he, he married two years ago,

his first girlfriend. I know there's an emphasis on this where I never thought about this previously as well. Like, this puts a lot of pressure on both of us or on the person, like saying that's first girlfriend you want to marry. But that's just something I personally like, like. But once he married and like the whole getting kids an aspect, it's kind of on him. Right, you're like, the pressure's off of me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

My parents were always just wondering, like, when is it going to happen? They're like, is he even like, does he even like girls? That's a joke. But like, it's just because it's just one of those things where, yeah, they're really, they're actually very supportive of becoming on to the show. Were they? I was going to ask that night. They're super supportive.

Yeah, they, um, my dad's extremely supportive. Both of my parents are extremely supportive. Um, and they both just want, they want, they want their son to find love. You know what I'm saying? And, um, yeah. So how do you think then of the term? love virgin that's now been i mean you kind of coined it for yourself yeah that's what i was i was going to get into because some you know you're a love virgin you're very green to just relationships

in general and not really having any experience in that field what made you want to go on a show like the bachelorette where it is about dating and not only is it about dating like millions of people are going to watch your journey your journey of dating like for the first time too. Yeah. I thought it's exactly that, right? For me, I started making videos a year ago. So first off, comfortable front of cameras to be myself or try to be myself, be there. But I thought it would be an opportunity where there's no more excuses, right? This is the first time my life were, because I don't know, right? I didn't know how to navigate. I don't know how to like open up or become like just have a conversation I feel like the moment I like actually like a

girl or want to progress something I become robotic still right and I don't know how to get past that where I'm extremely emotional but I might come off of stilic at moments but I thought it was incredible it was it was something where I would have to date a beautiful girl go on phenomenal dates that I won't have to think about like you know sending this place up or sending this thing up it would be a chance for me to actually like find love

and no work so I have no excuse this is truly a moment where I was like let me make this happen you know and then obviously the term love version I see like both ends right it just depends on you do it like glass half full or half empty I was meeting from a perspective

of like that I haven't experienced and I want to kind of be fully vulnerable with Jen and kind of put everything out on the table because you only have so many moments with her, right? I don't want to say, yo, I have a dog named Wagney in the beginning, right? Because there's no substance to that. I want to be like, hey, these are my values where I come from. This is what I'm looking for. I'm really looking forward to find a relationship.

You know what I'm saying? That's so interesting because you describe yourself as someone that's very laser focused on what's like their goal at the time, right? Like you said, you were all in on your business. And that is kind of like one of the reasons why you didn't have a girlfriend. So this environment, as much as it's unique that you're going on a dating show having never dated anyone, not date, I've never had a girlfriend. No, I never dated either, to be honest. You never dated.

Okay. So like, you're very, you're very green. Well, can I ask you a question? I don't want to offend you, but you're a love virgin. Are you a virgin as well? No, no, no, no. So I've obviously had relations with like, like, so for dating itself, I've never like went past, like, It was always like a dinner or a coffee or a lunch, right?

Okay. I don't like really treating that as a date. I think it's always more of an intro and a meet and agree. I've never done like a physical day or like walking on a beach or picnic or something like that's actually romantic in my eyes. You know, that's kind of more stuff. So it's a lot of like first, maybe second dates that like getting to know each other, but you've never been like dating where you're really investing in one person. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know? And then like, exactly. So then when you, but like, but you've hooked up with girls. so yeah because you go to bars and like like here and okay so you do okay so you but not like not it's it for me like i've tried to uh like obviously like right now i'm in my parents home right in carl's bat so i'd a place in la all this stuff so obviously like like getting with girls here and there but for me there was no like i've always felt guilty right is the best way to describe it i always felt guilty post doing any of that stuff because there was no connection or no like it was just

pure lust, right? And for me, I didn't like that. Um, just, and that's why like, I don't know. It's like, it's not anything like more than that. It's just, yeah. Right. What you're craving is the connection component, which is how you have found yourself on The Bachelor. Do you think, do you think that was, do you think you just never met the right person or you think a little bit of that is also on you of maybe you went into it closed off and you weren't able to open up? So that's also, where I want to tie in with, like, me getting a, never having a relationship either in high school. It's not like my parents, like, you know, like we do come up a traditional background, but it's not like they're against that, right?

Yeah. It's that there's, there's two sides to it, right? Well, for me, if I view it, like, yeah, like, I might be a slightly closed off. I want to open up, but I don't know how to, right? And then, yeah, exactly. I'm Jamil Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics. And on the latest episode of politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party.

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So for me, I was treating everything as like, this is my first, this is my moment to really just learn more about myself and actually pursue love and find love. Because for me, the partner I'm looking for is someone that makes me feel like I'm enough, you know? And Jen, at various moments, was validating me continuously throughout the journey. This show can be a little bit, I'm going to say, fratty at times because you're essentially, you're essentially in an environment with a bunch of dudes, you're vying over one, one woman. how are you in that environment? Yeah, environment. Yeah, I mean, you said you were in a frat

when you went to school, right? Yeah, these were bucket list items for me that I wanted to like checkbox and even when I joined, so I was in Pike and then even when I joined, it was it just was one of those things where I just did it as a checklist, right? I was like, I want to let me just join

and see what it's about and then I did it and now's that. But as far as like, going into that show, I really prioritized myself and Jen throughout it. You know, not saying that I was like not trying to like be with the like have this fraternal bond with the guys. I think that we all share a really special connection with one another for being through this unique experience.

But yeah, no, my goal there. And I'm like, you know, I can bro out in moments as well, you know. It's just one of those things for me. I went in that show specifically for Jen. How did you get on the Bachelorette? I got DM'd. So, yeah, yeah, I got DMs by a casting director. And basically for me, I just kind of had a bonus mentality with it.

I was like, okay, this would be kind of really cool. This would be happening. And then with the casting process, it's always like you never really know until like the last minute. I was very surprised too. It was just one of those moments where it was just kind of like, I guess, meant to be. I don't know how to say. And then how did your night one go? So you get at a limo and you go, we see your intro.

You immediately tell her that you're a love virgin in your intro. What was your hope with that interaction? Yeah, I was hoping to basically, my entire journey on this show is just to put all my guards down, right? And basically just kind of put everything out there and give her like as much substance of me as much as possible. where that we can kind of build from that. You know, and I wanted to kind of start the foundation of the bare minimum, which is like,

hey, I haven't had experienced with girls, like as far as, like intimacy and, like emotional intimacy. And that's why I've wanted to progress more of an emotional intimacy versus physical intimacy through this show.

Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, so let's jump to, let's jump to this week's episode, um, where like I personally, I would,

I would hate having to go on stage and strip or do this whole thing. I mean, I would be extremely awkward doing it. Joe and I in our first date in paradise, we had to dress up in like nacho livery costumes. Oh, I threw the biggest fit. And he threw such a fit.

I don't want to do it. I don't want to do this. But like it's really out of his comfort zone. So I feel like he really related to watching this episode because you too seemed like you were super anxious. Yeah. Are we picking that up correctly? Were you anxious going into this date?

I was more, yeah, I would say anxious, more uncomfortable. Yeah. And then more, it was just, like I said, for me, I want, I'm on here to find love and to progress my relationship with Jen. You know, and this, by doing so, me stripping. Also, I come from a, I don't like to pull, like, religion or, like, values or culture into aspects as well. but that wouldn't be like represent who I was who I am and a lot stuff right for me um it was it was just it was it was a lot right it was a lot witnessing all that um it was just one of those moments for me I'm a cliche I'm a romantic so I was looking at that I was like you know this is

yeah okay so it during the the the catwalk I call it catwalk the the Thunderdown Under walk we see you go and then you stop the mic and you essentially say, like, Jen, I am falling in love with you. And I was in the moment and blacked out. So I was starting. So, you know, because you're front of like 200 people, right? Yeah. There's a cat, like there's an audience there.

And I want to basically kind of say, I don't want to back out on the date because the last date previously, I kind of do it just because of dairy, right? I can have the, can I have the dairy on it. So then that's where I got kind of, you know, I was like, I want to actually showcase and partake with this date and make her known that i'm here for her and that i'm feeling the uh the connection and i did in a way that was essentially um that would best represent me and i guess where it comes down to it love isn't linear you know like love at first sight is a thing um at moments that happens to people earlier or not for me i was i really like feel that spark with jen and um at the same

time, I was, I don't want to say disappointed. And first off, Jen validated me, by the way. Yeah, we do see that. Yeah, yeah. So she liked that, which I, which meant the world to me, right? Because that shows her character and her, like, her the person. But going back on it, for me, it's like, I'm on a, we're on a show to find love, right? Nine other dudes before me, I think it was nine.

Like, Cat walked and went G-stringedongs and shake their booty, you know, and we were all normalized to that, right? And that was like normal, right? Everybody liked that. But what people got was shocking and that caused people with starting laughing was a dude that says, hey, I want to show a blood. Like, hey, I'm starting to fuel these feelings for you. You know? And I thought like that was just kind of for me that just put me in a wrong headspace after that because I was like, my intent is pure. I'm here. I want to find this. Am I like being a fool now? So tell us how you felt going into that plan of I'm in a bear at all with.

my emotions for Jen and then how you felt after you had done it. So pre going into it, I felt really good, right? I wanted to best represent myself, my family, and basically show Jen, take a moment to showcase myself to Jen and basically be like, hey, I'm here for you. I don't care about anything. I felt really good about it. Posted, I felt terrible. I felt like a fool.

I felt it was really awkward. Well, before, yeah, before you get into the people laughing at you, because that sucks and I would feel the same way. Yeah. When you did say that, to clarify, you didn't mean it, correct? Of course. So you got to remember this, in this realm, every emotion is hiding, right? So everything is hiding.

And basically, the feelings I felt for Jen, these are really new feelings for me as well, right? And we're all these conversation we kind of built from one another, which we're kind of building from that, right? And it was these new emotions. I'm like, hey, I'm starting to feel this really strong connection between you and I. You know? And I want to, I want this date for me to progress that and really show that to you. And then, yeah, and then pretty much afterwards, yeah, like, I got laughed at.

Was the hardest part of that moment, the response that you got from your peers? and just making you feel I don't know I don't want to put words in mouth but didn't make you feel regretful or embarrassed or what was that feeling like? I want to say regretful

was more embarrassed man and I felt like a fool you know I felt like I felt like weak like spineless I don't know how but but also Jen did validate exactly was there any part of you that was kind of like

even though these guys may be laughing like I may get the last laugh here now yes during the moment no right during the moment i was i was you know for me even growing up i wasn't like like i was always just kind of the butt of the joke right growing up it's kind of like a defense mechanism on my side where i'd be a scapego i would because i'll take it and then um but basically for me um i yeah i um just you know i was in my i got i got in my head you know i like after that moment when you kind of

like you know people are just kind of like they're like oh no that's cool if you're to do that but you obviously know they're judging you immediately you know you're embarrassed you're like yeah yeah you're not the only person ever to be embarrassed in front of a group like it sucks we all get it we've all been there we all were naked i was just you know emotionally naked yeah yeah and then that's when i felt the weakest you know yeah so then let's jump to the night portion you're going in having kind of left on that note yeah um we see you let me ask this actually did you address the men before you spoke with Jen?

Do you remember? Yes. So, obviously I was hearing within the, like, I was just hearing that like, you know, I don't know how to say it. Like, what's the like the actual proper thing? But it's like, I knew they were like making fun

of me. Right. And when you say that, like, what do you, can you pinpoint some of the guys? Was it all the guys? Like, it was a, it was like a like the majority i don't want to pinpoint anybody calling when you're out because you know everyone's entitled to like whatever they want to feel but um i kind of wanted to address it in a way where like like let's just like if you have something to say let's say it here right now i tried to but i didn't know how to because i felt so weak but i just wanted to take the punches at that moment right i just

was like let's just move on from this this was a very like embarrassing moment of me and i want extremely vulnerable and i just want to like i want to move forward i don't want to like you know I don't want, it's like, I don't want to say it's bully, but I didn't want to feel like, I just, I felt like really like, like, you know, uncomfortable. And I want to just kind of like, just kind of like, just address it, you know. And so I can feel like people were kind of like making fun of you or that moment behind your back and you were like, let's just call this out. Say it to my face. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what it was. And I was like, and then I can basically talk to you about why, right?

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We saw that Devin kind of spoke up in your defense. What was that moment like for you? I feel really. So Devin and I have like, I have a bromance, right? Basically, Devin and I kicked it off pretty well just because, like I was saying, it's like, it's like Hunger Games in there. There's like different districts. There's like the district with like a lot of people.

And then there's like these many districts. And Devin and I were like our own little districts, right? where we both were here for the same reason but we both were in our own lanes and I always respected the way Devin did it sure can he be on him more like but it's just Devin Sam right in that moment I really respect him though

it was a moment where I couldn't speak for myself and he spoke up for me and that shows a lot about his character and it really yeah like he stood up for me there's nothing more to it than that yeah yeah and then after you called out the guys do you feel like things settled

on that front? No, I wanted, so for me, I wanted, I wanted peace with everything. I didn't want any arguments between Sam, Thomas, and Devin. I just wanted it all to be okay, because I'm like, hey, guys, we're all here to find love. Like, let's just focus on the main goal here, our relation with Jen. But it just made it worse, you know, it just made it, like, more, like, divided, and it's straight up like a Game of Thrones in there. Yeah, it's a little unfortunate for you.

It's a little unfortunate for you because not, every, I feel like not every season is like this. We're actually seeing it we're seeing it a lot in in this season with the guys where it is more of that like hunger games ishish like vibe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like game

of Jen like yeah. Yeah. You win or you die. So you, but you do end up talking to Jen. Yeah. Yeah. Um, whatever time it is in the night, what it doesn't really matter. Um, and then how do you feel during that conversation and then after? I felt. So during the conversation, my mind was just, you know, was, I was in my head.

Scramble. Excuse me? No, just like a mess. Yeah, it was just because it was like I felt like I don't want to put too much pressure on her. At the same time, I wanted her to know like my intent is pure and that my feelings, I am feeling whether that's like, it's just one of those moments where for me I wanted to kind of, you know, just kind of explain myself and kind of tell her like, listen, like these feelings are new to me that. even when I hold your hand or in conversations, I can't, like, I'm thinking about holding your hands when I'm holding you, like when I'm talking to you, do you know what I'm saying? And for me, that's like, I can't, you know, like, if I, I have, like, severe age you,

I'm, like, thinking of like 20 things and I'm, like, trying to, like, progress and to show her that, like, hey, I'm, who I am, because we're going to, you know, propose to her in, like, within, like, a month, right? So it's like, I want you to be, like, I want this to last and be forever. and then she was very understanding she was extremely understanding and that meant a lot to me posted

just even like yeah it just showcases her character and I can see why she's a PA do you do you feel like because the show you know the point of the show is to end in a proposal or an engagement

do you think that you put a little more pressure on yourself because of that? So if I could change one thing going back on the show is not to have an expectation. I'm like the most serious, unsurious guy, right? Like, people don't think I'm, they're thinking I'm on serious, whatever. They mean me, like, I'm very serious when it came to it. Because for me, I was, this is my soulmate, right? This is someone I'm not, it's like, till death, dues the part, right? So, but coming in with that mentality, even with the dates to, like, having an expectation

on these dates. It's always never going to be not, you never know what it's going to be. So you're always going to be in some sort of way let down or, you know, be surprised. And if there's one thing I would go is no expectations, right? Don't expect to, I called her like my wife immediately when I came in, right? Because I was like, this is going to be the girl. I mean, I'm saying proposing. I was saying this is going to be my wife, you know?

So. And you know what I will say? That does seem to be the mentality amongst your cast as well. like I feel like a lot of the guys this season not just you were seeing like with the the mentality of like I'm proposing to this girl this is my wife which we don't always see I feel like that kind of mentality is also infectious

amongst the group of like you're envisioning her as your wife even though it's so early on yeah of course well you got you know X amount of weeks to make like it's that you know and and it's very heightened everything's very heightened so yeah

she's an amazing girl I just wanted to say I think it was really good that you doubled down on what you said and you said to Jen like no I meant it and I wanted to be vulnerable and this is the feelings that I'm feeling did any part of you consider

backtracking after that moment and taking it back so it wouldn't be back it's more no I said I want to own it but there's hesitation around like are these emotions just because of the environment is this emotion it's like there i was questioning because when the guy's laughing at me because it is it's a little bit early right but i say the people are going to say

within a week or two anyways right like it's like one of those things or it's like oh it's said whatever but like um it's not linear right and then that's where the my conclusion is like it's not linear do you know what i'm saying um but i really want to make sure that i was there for her and that's what I was, you know, and that's why. We forgot to ask you this at the beginning. We usually always ask this. Did you watch the show before you went on it? I should have watched a lot more episodes, apparently.

But basically, I've watched the show. Yeah, I've watched a show. But I haven't like, wasn't like every season type guy. But I've seen, like, I've seen a few seasons. Okay. Do you think that in any way shaped your expectations coming on the show of what your journey might look like? no i think my me being kind of like a novice to the show was really what made me i guess

unique or like authentic to put it that way if i haven't expected i'd try to come in just being just myself and trust the process yeah yeah that makes sense i think i think a lot of people go in that way too and that's usually what makes for more authentic uh tv um all right how about uh you want to play a rapid fire game with us for sure yeah let's go all right so this is just rapid fire First thing that comes to your mind It's just we're going to get to know Sam a little better All right Sure

All right Go to drink at a bar Tequila soda Favorite comfort movie or TV show I'll say dumb and dumber For a movie Favorite food or cuisine Food would be Zarispo though

Which is a like It's a specific dish What is it? It's basically chicken and rice With like These specific Zerishpola Irish, which is Persian cranberries.

That's my, that's my favorite dish. Or steak and potatoes. Best concert you've gone to? I only went to Coachella in, like, 2016, and that's it. I've never been to other concerts besides that, or anything else. Favorite way to unwind? Recently, it's been playing fash with my dog, why I mean? Favorite quality about Jen?

Supportive. Who's night one limo entrance this season was your favorite? I would say, I think Hakeem stood out really well to me. I think that was awesome just purely because of like a, like, because I watched him walk in and then I was kind of like scared because I was like, dude, you're going to like break the lights, you know? And I'm like a huge hype guy, you know, I'm scared by heights a little bit. So I was like anxious that these lights are going to throw it, like, like fall down.

His was so memorable. Like, even thinking back to night one, his is the first one that comes to my mind. Is it a love version? I'm kidding. Love version's up there. Night owl or early bird? I'll say both, but it's early bird typically.

What is your love language? I don't know, to be honest. What is a dream date you take Jen on? For me, the way I always do. Grab a Dream Day would be just a casual date with the perfect date. Like, right? It's like in the line, the perfect date. But I would say something really simple just because it's something that we can

continuously do every day. Cool. And if you could sum up Jen's season of The Bachelorette in one word, what would it be? Boxing. No, I'm kidding. Surprise. I don't say. It's surprising, I would say, very surprising.

Nice. I like that. All right. Before we let you go, is there anything that you could tease that's big coming up, but not spoil? Let's just say the tea gets bigger. The tea gets bigger. The tea is going to grow. Well, that is it for the episode.

Sam, thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Thank you. No, thank you guys both for having me. It was an awesome experience. And to our listeners, make sure you subscribe. We have exclusive interviews coming up every week for guys from Jen's season. And, yeah, make sure you stay tuned.

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