Bachelor Happy Hour - A Different Kind of Hometown and ‘Homie Hopping’ in Paradise

Episode Date: November 3, 2023

Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena break down the most dramatic moments from last night’s episodes of “The Golden Bachelor” and “Bachelor in Paradise.” The Golden Bachelor has brought a new dynamic to Hometowns week, and Joe and Serena have a ton of thoughts. They discuss the differences Hometowns revealed in Gerry’s relationships with each of the three women, how bringing the grandchildren in changes things, and, of course, that cliffhanger that no one saw coming.   Then in “Paradise,” things are as wild and chaotic ever. Joe and Serena share their take on Kat’s “homie hopping,” the confusion over what is happening with Jess and Blake, and whether they think Aaron B. really has anything to be worried about with Charity making a visit to the beach.   Be sure to follow so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

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Welcome back to Betcher Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. We are so happy to be back. We are going to be recapping Hometowns, Bachelor in Paradise. We have two guests this week. Jess and none other than the one and only Cat. Kat has been involved in all the Paradise Drama.

I would say she's probably the TV maker of the group. Wouldn't you? Oh, yeah. I feel like when it all started going down with Kat, there was a lot of like what is going on here. But over the last two episodes, I've like grown very attached to her and like grown to love her as like an entertaining person on this beach.

She's just doing so. We'll get into it. I have a lot of thoughts. Cat, I got a lot of thoughts on Jess. I was going to say, even like, I think it was this, the episode we're recapping right now. It was like when Kat came on like 30 minutes in, I was like, all right, thank God. I was like, where's cat? Like, what's going on?

Like, I need to know what she's doing right now. But first, let's get into it because we have golden hometowns. We do have a little bit of a different dynamic. Usually we see the person meeting the parents, but now we see the person meeting the kids and the grandkids. So it is, it is different. It was very entertaining. I really enjoyed it. Let's get into it.

So three women left, Faith, Leslie, and Teresa. Up first, we are in New Jersey, where we are meeting Teresa's family. She has two sisters, a daughter, the daughter's husband, and her grandkids. Correct. And her daughter is so sweet. They're clearly very close. She says that this is the first. time she's meeting a boyfriend of her moms since, you know, her dad passed. And you can tell

that they have a really, really close relationship. I mean, she says they talk like every single day. So I can imagine that this is a mixed bag of emotions for her. Watching it and you had a lot to say about about the whole situation. And I was really like this would act because you're like this would be really hard. And usually I'm like, it would actually be really tough. Like I put myself in her daughter's shoes and I was like, I don't know if I would be able to handle something like this. I feel like out of the entire episode, the family member that like stuck with me the most

was Teresa's daughter just because I can't even imagine like losing my dad, you know, years go by. My mom goes on this dating show. I can't talk to her. And this is the first guy she's bringing home. and I'm like vetting her boyfriend slash future fiance and like you know Teresa looks so happy so I can imagine that made her family feel so good but then like bad at the same time but also bad at the same time and like she's like she's talking about

fall with this guy and the last time her daughter seen her in love was with her with her dad I know stop we we can't yeah it's really emotional I mean it's tough. But at the end of the day, I'm assuming she wants her mother to be happy. Absolutely. And this would be the way to go. But one thing I noted was, I believe it was her daughter asked Carrie if he's in love with Teresa. And he said he doesn't know if he's falling in love with her. Yes. I was. What do we think about that? I was really taken aback by that answer because she didn't ask, are you in love with my mom? She asked, are you falling in love with my mom?

And for him to say, I don't know if I'm falling in love with your mom or not. I don't know if maybe he just got nervous. It was the first hometown date. I'm not really sure what that answer means. And I feel like he worded it or phrased it in a way of like, I don't know if I'm falling in love because I don't know what falling in love feels like anymore. He did. He did. I don't know. I don't know how to take that because then we see. But it's just hard because I do feel like he's been, and we talked about this last week, so expressive with Leslie and with faith.

And I just feel like he's not as expressive about his emotions for Teresa. But I do feel like they're there. So that's what's throwing me off. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they're actually not there. There's something off about this relationship or, yes. it doesn't yeah it's different it's a different dynamic than faith and leslie yes like i don't know if it's because maybe teresa doesn't need as much reassurance as the other women maybe it could be that maybe because she does seem very confident in their connection yeah especially at this point like seeing her with him with her family like there is a sense of just like happiness

and ease to her in this date yeah so i don't know i i was super taken about by that, I don't know. The sisters are super happy and supportive and Gary gets really emotional and they just say, you know, Teresa is so, so happy. We can see that I really, I just have questions

because I believe he, I believe he is falling in love with her. I believe what we know he is. So like, let's you know, let's move ahead because he says it in his ITM at the end of the state. Yeah, he says it in his interviews that he is. Maybe he didn't say it and I think you might be right because it was

the first hometown and he didn't know if he wanted to say it to anyone, I'm assuming he was potentially prepped for like, hey, you know, you probably shouldn't say I love you to anyone because there are still three women left, which goes out the window. That would be my best guess is when he was asked that question, he did not know if he was going to be opening up about his feelings to that level or not. And that's where his answer came from. But the daughter is really emotional. She says, it doesn't change how much love we have for my dad and it doesn't feel that weird

and she's like really emotional on ITM which kind of just sums up like the day and how she felt about you know meeting this guy that's now dating her mom and saying that it doesn't feel weird I think is a good thing it feels like you know that she could be a part of their lives and that Teresa is ready to find love

and she says that she loves Gary and Gary in his interview says that he's in love with Teresa and she could be the one, which we've seen him say now about Faith and Teresa, that they could be the one. Gary's following for everyone. Okay, well, then let's go to Faith's hometown in Washington, kind of in the middle of nowhere. Super rural is another room. Yes, yes, horses. Faith has two sons, her sister and her grandkids are all there.

this was more of I'd say more of a fun dynamic between all of them the sons were really getting into it everyone seemed super happy faith they were basically saying faith never really I think the sister said faith

never believed in love I think she said something lines of lines of like I feel like I always date men but I never fall in love with them was that what it was yeah something along those lines um gary tells the sons he kind of thinks he's in love with i think he said i kind of they asked the sons asked if gary is in love with faith and he said yeah i kind of think i am yeah and then the sister said is her heart safe um okay but then like they basically call gary out in front of her in like the group like they're all

hanging out and he's they're like the sister is pushing for that I love you which I kind of liked because I didn't like it but at the same time like there was definitely an ounce of peer pressure in the moment and he's and you see the flip to him in this interview kind of like

well what was I going to say but yeah I mean I mean he says it they're all they couldn't be happier she says it she says it back to him it's a magical moment they kiss and then Faith in her interviews at the end of the day is crying out of fear that, you know, this may not work out and she's scared of losing Gary, which I think we see that excitement in all the women, but that fear is starting to really sink in as well. And I think Faith is feeling that now.

If you are in Gary's position in that scenario, what do you think you do? If I'm kind of feeling, I guess, a little bit of a push to say I love you. Yeah, you kind of get put, I mean, he got put on the spot there. I mean, truthfully, I have no idea what I do in that moment because on one hand, like, if he does love her, if he believes he's in love with her, like, maybe he's just like, screw it. I want to be honest with my feelings for this girl. And maybe he was planning on telling her anyway. And this moment felt right. But at the same time, I don't know.

what would you do i mean i know what i i'm going to say that i would do i don't know if i would actually do it but i i feel like i would be like you know the first time that i say this i would like to to say it in private with your mother and i with your mother and i do want to respect you're really putting yourself in your shoes right now like you're picturing yourself in this moment. I also want to respect the fact that there are two women left. So I just don't want to say it at this time. All I could say is I'm really into you. Totally. And look, that's a great answer. And that's the textbook answer, I feel like. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't know if I would say that. I mean, I probably could have gotten pure pressure. I feel like a lot of people would think that that's what they would do. But if you're in the moment, you're feeling it. And I think he did kind of fall in love with three women here. I think it's hard. You know, at some point, I feel like all the leads decide they want to throw caution out the window and just lean in. And I feel like that was Gary's moment this season of like, I'm just going to say how I feel whatever.

I'm tired of censoring myself and I'm just going to let it all out there. Okay, but then, but after that happened, now let's look back to you, do we think that, let's say this was the first hometown? Do we think that he would have said it to Teresa? I do. I think if Teresa wasn't the first hometown. He would have said it to her. Okay. Okay.

All right. So now we go to Minnesota to meet Leslie, her brother. She has three kids, three grandkids. We do find out that Leslie's dad passed away when she was 16. Her brother picked her up from school, broke the horrific news to her. I mean, just a heartbreaking story. Yeah. And it seems like her brother has really taken over that kind of father figure.

role for her since she was 16. How old? Did they say how old her brother is? How much older he is than her? I don't know, but if I had the guess, I would say it's probably not more than 10 years. Yeah, no, no. I definitely didn't think that. He did tell Gary he would give

his blessing. I mean, I thought this was, I thought this was a really nice hometown. I like both of, I like all her kids. I thought they handled it very well. They were funny. Yeah. They have. Lighthearted. All the families had such, like, a loving, warm dynamic.

All the kids seemed to, like, really care about their moms and just want what's best for them, want to protect them. Like, it really was, I feel like hometowns on The Bachelor and the Bachelorette often have kind of, you know, there's a lot of protectiveness over this, like, parent child dynamic. And I feel like the kid to parent dynamic that we're seeing here, it just has given. more of like a loving positive feel for the hometown episode absolutely and I feel like they're all very and they are but they're all handling this in a very mature matter like I don't know like she could not easy no it's really awkward yeah there's no way it's easy it's definitely strange also like Leslie Prince wrote tiny dancer for her sexy dancer sexy dancer tiny dancer that's Elton John but still also I don't think he's dating Leslie

probably not that is that is pretty pretty crazy though but yeah we knew that though because they said that in the Leslie's intro package Leslie's intro package included that but I think a lot of people missed it and they're now reiterating it here which honestly

is like the coolest thing ever and anytime anyone asked you a fun fact about yourself you're like set for life yeah well and also Gary Leslie tells Gary she loves him Gary says it back so now he's Now he's openly said, I love you to two women.

Two women have said it back. Three women have said it. Yeah. All three women have said that they love Gary. Gary has said, I love you to Faith and to Leslie. Not yet to Teresa. Yeah. But he has said it in his interviews.

Yeah. Okay. So now we get to the best part of the episode. This was so good. I'm so happy that I know a lot of people go back and forth like Jesse should know or how does Jesse not know. But I believe that the show is keeping Jesse in the dark for some of this. and it's great because his facial expression here. So we see the women get to the mansion for the rose ceremony and walk up to Jesse and

Jesse basically, every woman basically says like, he said, I love you and I set it back and you see Jesse's face. Yeah, like the first woman, he's like, oh, wow, okay. And then the second one, he's like, oh, wow, okay. What's happening here, Gary? Yeah. So that was very funny. He's definitely got himself in a little bit of a jam. Roe Ceremony.

It's Leslie gets the first rose. And it's between faith in Trisa. And then we see Gary leave upset. He's tearing up, which... He's not tearing up. He's crying. He's crying. He's crying.

Having an emotional moment. you know, I think you said it. You're kind of like that moment, as hard as it is for you, it's worse for them. Yeah, I don't want to be too hard on Gary here because I do understand like he is in such a difficult position and he's about to really, really hurt someone. But as someone who's been a contestant on this show, like standing at a rose ceremony, if I'm Faith or Teresa, and I'm so anxious, I know that there's like a 50-50 chance if I get that rose now. And he leaves, I'd be really upset. I'd be like, come on, man.

Like, you have to hold it together until the end of this rose ceremony because now you're just putting them through more and more moments of agony. Like, you need to just stand up there, like, hold down those tears, rip the bandaid off and give that personal conversation closer and then take all the time you need to have your cry. Like, I'm not trying to discredit how hard his role is. I just like, when he walked out, I was like, no. Please don't do this to them. Like, and both of them are so in love with him. Like, I just really felt for the women in this moment. I agree.

It's a rough, rough situation all around. And then, yeah, we basically left on a cliffhanger because why wouldn't we at that moment? I know. I really wasn't expecting the cliffhanger. I was like, come on. Who's going home? We will see. We will see who goes home next, next episode.

We also have the women tell all coming up. but yeah that kind of wraps it great hometowns it was a lot of fun very very cool to watch to kind of see roles all reversed as far as meeting the children instead of the parents My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious Oh wait a minute Sam maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit Well Dakota it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast so we'll find out soon This person writes my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor

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Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, let's move on to Bachelor in Paradise. This was a really eventful jam-packed episode. I have like three pages of notes for this episode because there was so much happening. I didn't want to forget anything. Okay, so the first, I would say the first topic of conversation will be the conversation between Tanner and Davia. No. No.

That literally didn't happen. Really? We didn't see a conversation with Tanner and Davia. Interesting. Tanner and Kat. Did you watch the episode? Yeah, it is Tanner. No, I know.

Why did I write Tanner and Davia? Interesting. Okay. So, I don't, wow, my voice is really squeaking. Okay. So, um, Tanner and. Cat have a conversation. The first thing I noted was Tanner tells her we have different personalities and I'm not

sure I see what I want in a wife in you. Yeah, that was a harsh line from Tanner for sure. I mean, Kat kind of says, I wish that we talked before you said yes. That's my biggest concern. Like, I wish you pulled me aside. I said, like, would you be okay if I went on the state? and Tanner says that they have the same values but different personalities

and she doesn't have wife qualities or qualities that he wants in a wife which I think he could have delivered that a little more gently personally I think he could have gone with something a little more generic along the lines of I just don't see us as a fit I don't see us as being compatible

I have a stronger connection with Dobby I'm going to explore that yeah I was a little straightforward we see Katner interviews like I'm literally so much better than you he did not just break up with me And then I felt like the rest of this conversation, I don't know if you feel the same. But I feel like the rest of this conversation was like battling for who's actually breaking up with who.

Yeah. It was like Tanner was ending it with Kat. And she basically went, no, I'm ending it with you. And he was like, no, I'm ending it with you. And that was like the whole second half of this conversation. Like Kat was like, I don't want you either because I can't trust you. And yeah, Tanner was like, I went on a date for clarity. and I got it. And, like, Kat basically is trying to declare in her interviews, like, the breakup is mutual. But, like, he just had the chance to break up with her before she broke up with him. I do, however, I do feel that is how, I actually think part of that's a good quality.

I don't know, good quality to have, but a strong quality to have. Because I feel like that is how Kat is able to get over a sad or a hard situation, much quicker is she flips it as like I don't care now I don't care now I'm moving on because I don't care about you and she's able to turn that switch very quick yeah and my thing is is there's a lot of people who will actually who will say like oh I don't care about them I'm over it but like they're clearly not yeah she actually is like once she's done like we saw it with brayden and now we're seeing with Tanner like you're right she flips the switch and she's like I'm over it I'm on to the next yeah I'm kind of like that as well I could

kind of do that. I could do that, but then I struggle for months after. But I could flip a switch pretty quick. I mean, I feel like you're talking about like long term relationships. Like she did only date these guys for three days. No, I'm just saying in general. I'm saying kind of any situation. Okay. Yeah. Like when you get bad news, like even if it's like work related or anything, you kind of get bad news. I'm pretty good at like being upset immediately and then flipping a switch be like, okay, nothing I could do. Which honestly is arguably kind of healthy. Like, she definitely goes off and, like, is really upset in the moment.

But then, like, really kind of is like, all right, I let it all out. On to the next thing. Like, in her interviews, she had a couple funny lines that it wrote down. She wrote, you don't even open mouth make out. And then she said, I've dated enough assholes to know when I see one, which I don't know. I don't think Tanner's an asshole. I really don't. But the fact that they weren't open mouth making out for three days is definitely a

flag to the future of that relationship. Yeah. I just, I mean, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't think Tanner's in the wrong at all in this scenario. No, I don't think Tanner did anything wrong. I think it's for the best that they're not together anymore. I think the combo was like overall just kind of like unproductive. Yeah, so do I.

But they both have moved on. Tanner is now with Davia and Kat is about to figure things out on the beach of yourself. The one thing we know about Kat is she's, she's going to figure it out. She's not leaving. I respect that she has yet. to be like I'm leaving she like I have yet to see her try to like leave the beach like I feel like we saw Genevieve Genevieve has like a similarish personality to the cat I feel like and like her reactiveness and Genevieve was like always trying to leave you're saying Genevieve from Genevieve I'm sorry from

last season yeah um like Genevieve and Aaron well no I actually disagree genevieve tried to leave multiple times cat has that's what I'm saying Genevieve literally like packed her bags and is like running through the jungle path trying to get in a van and cat's like i don't care cat's like i'm moving in i'm literally moving into the to whoever's is available like we're we're now in a relationship but honestly i it truly is i believe that that is a good quality she has a quality of like she gets it's persistent yeah she gets fucking knocked down and she gets back up she's not i feel like i feel like what's saving her is like in her mind she's not knocked down. She's like, no, I broke up with you. I'm thriving and I'm going to go find someone better

than you. Okay. So now we have, we see Jess in the morning. She puts on like a new bathing suit because she wants Blake to notice her. That was a cute bathing suit. And then we have a new woman on the beach. Her name is Genevieve. She's from Zach's season. From Zach's season. We really did not see much of her at all. Yeah, we don't see much of her, but she comes down. It seems like all the guys are are pretty interested she has a conversation with Blake Blake basically Devulges probably a little too much

information about his situation Blake's flirting tactic in this combo was maybe not existent I feel like their conversation from what we saw really just revolved around him giving her a full debrief of what's happened with him and Jess's relationship so Genevieve goes back and she's like

well I'm still into him I want to take out Blake and she asked him and Blake goes has a conversation with Jess their dynamics kind of awkward right now it is awkward I feel like

the convo felt like they maybe don't have the best communication because it just felt like neither one was like leading the convo because he said he threw it at her like you want to go first and she's like well why would I go first you just said yes to a date

and then it was yeah which would yeah I agreed with her on that one. But I do think like... I also don't have an issue with Blake. I think Blake should have won on this day. Absolutely. Especially after the conversation he had with Jess. Well, I feel like Jess in this moment and I'm very

excited to talk to her because I really do just want more context into what's happening behind the scenes with their relationship. But it's kind of looking like she wants her cake and she wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants to have Blake on standby, but she wants to go on a date. She wants to go explore, but she like doesn't want

him to go explore because she does like him. Like, it's just feeling like one foot in one foot out situation. And Blake, I don't get that from her. She was definitely, no, she was definitely upset when he was talking to Jen. Yeah, upset, but I don't think she was going to, she said it. Like, I'm not going to, like, it's only fair if you go. A hundred percent. I mean, she's being logical, but I think she's still upset. Like, she still has, she's still jealous. Like, I for some reason thought Blake getting asked on a date, there would be some level of, like, relief and excitement to have, like, some space. Yeah, she can now do what she wants.

Yeah, like, I thought she might be like, I, like, yes, this is a good thing for us. Like, you should go on the date. I'm going to have some space and, like, we'll go from there. But that wasn't her reaction. So maybe she likes them more than it looks like. But Blake told Jess it was nice to feel wanted. And he wants to, like, really lean in on the date with Jen. basically saying, like, I don't feel wanted by you.

Yeah. And Jess seemed kind of like caught off guard by that. But like, I wouldn't really feel wanted either. Yes. But in the same breath, I kind of put that on both of them. I do feel like I don't know how we don't know enough about how they are alone or with each other. But it does seem. And I think even Tanner said it.

Tanner did say it. It seems very surface level. And every time we see them, they're just kind of like sitting talking. Yeah, he said it's very much like they sit next to each other. But it doesn't seem like the relationship is like moving along. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

Okay. So Blake's getting ready for the date. Blake's getting ready for date in the interim. We see Kat. Going for Chad. She's back, baby. She's back and she's better than ever. And she's on to the next man on this beach.

She is going for John Henry. And we have a great clip of Brayden in his interview going, Cat is homie hopping, which kind of is what's happening here. But it's paradise. I mean, it's fair. I mean, you're supposed to explore. You're supposed to look for love. And she's not finding it.

And she's like, that's fine. I'm going to try it with another dude. Yeah. And we also see Kylie kind of like egg the situation on as well. Yeah. Kylie's definitely like pushing for this to happen. And you said something when we were watching it that I wrote down that you feel like after the Kylie versus Olivia drama at the very, very beginning of this season with Well, the girls that are close with Kylie are like not team Olivia. I think there's a divide there.

Yeah, I think there might be a divider too. It seems like from Kylie and Katz perspective, like they don't care that Olivia's danger on Henry. Like there's no like girl code in this situation. like they're all over it. They're like, who cares? Yeah, which is like kind of fair or whatever. Oh, and then we another, another big thing we see is Kat tells Eliza in the bathroom that she heard from charity that Aaron B is a bad guy and has exes back home.

That's the timeline's confusing. Even when Aaron B and Eliza did talk, I don't know. It's kind of like he was dating. someone before the show. Well, let's get into that combo a little bit later. But yeah, we do see kind of like the start of that drama

of them hiding in the bathroom, having a chit chat. And I think Eliza handled it pretty well. Like, she seemed to take the information and like hold off to have a conversation one-on-one with A&B.

But she definitely took it seriously. Like she wasn't about to just blow it off as like nonsense. How do you feel that Kat told older. You know what? At first I was like, why is she doing this? But then kind of when I thought about it more, they don't know Eliza. Like they weren't from the same season. It's not like they're coming on here with like a friendship prior. So like as they've gotten to know her more, she's probably felt a little bit more of a sense of like loyalty and obligation to tell her. And also like if I'm in

cat shoes and I see Eliza and Aaron B talking, I don't know if I'm dropping that information on like day one or two because it might not turn into anything. Like they might go their separate. ways and then who cares but like eliza and armbia have now become like one of the most serious couples on the beach and if cat's like okay i've kind of formed this friendship with eliza i know this information this seems like it might be something serious and from what i know he hasn't told her yet i feel like maybe it's a time to share that with her well why not share it though why not share it to the whole group on that first day when you know when everyone's circled around talking about like who they're into if you're going to share that information maybe you share it

to the entire group like, hey, I heard this, don't know how true it is, but it's coming from who I believe is a reliable source, just a heads up for everyone. Like, if you're going to do it, maybe do it then. Yeah, I guess so. Like in the girls' room when they have that, like, chat on the first day. I mean, I think there is like a sense of, like, loyalty and like maybe some teams going on with the girls group, though.

And like a lot of the girls on this beach are from charity season, you know? And also, majority of them probably already know. But yeah, I don't hate that strategy either of just being like, I'm putting this out here day one. This is what I heard about this guy. Yeah, do what you want with. Do what you want with it versus like waiting all the way till like week six. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam.

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Okay, so then we have a new girl comes down. Her name is Becca. She's a night one girl. From Zach's season? Yeah, I believe Zach season. Night one girl from Zach's season. Talks to a bunch of guys. She asked Braden out. So now we see Rachel. So this situation is interesting because I do really,

I feel bad for Rachel because I feel bad for her because she's been through a lot within this franchise with dating guys. It hasn't been the easiest for her. There's no doubt about it. But Brayden walks up to her to have a conversation. And instead of having that conversation and to at least open up and tell him how she feels, she basically blows it off and says, it's fine. You don't have to check on me.

Yeah. She literally, she wouldn't even like go sit and talk to him. He walked over to pull her and she was like, no, no, no, you don't have to check in on me. It's fine. Like, go have fine. And I think that that's her ego getting in the way. And I get it. Like I would probably have, if I was her, I would probably be the same way.

I would probably be like, that's fine. Just go do your thing. But then in the same breath, like you cannot be upset with him for doing it. If you're not going to tell him how you feel. Yeah. And I feel like the moment, like having a conversation before going on a date is like a powerful moment to be a little bit vulnerable and like leave this person with a lasting of prep. leave that person with a lasting impression of how you feel about them and kind of have be in their minds when they're on the date. And I feel like the way Rachel blew it off, I do think it was

her ego a little bit because I do think she's integrated. And I think she just didn't want him to know that. Well, I just think Rachel's probably tired of being vulnerable in these situations and then still getting hurt. Yeah. Because that is what's happened to her. put her guard up for sure yeah that is what's happened to her multiple times on this show so now she's just kind of like no but unfortunately yeah like whatever if you want to go on the stage just go have fun yeah i'm not doing this again yeah so we'll see how that turns out um tyler grabs just the talk um Tyler was somebody just was interested in they both seem to like each other they're being flirty. Tyler

ends up grabbing her and kissing her. She kisses them back. Now we flip to the date with Blake and Genevieve. They're having a great time. They're making out. Yeah, he seems into her. He like describes her very well. He says she's mature and inviting

and he seems excited about the date. So Jess is making out with Tyler and Blake's making out with Jen and honestly I don't know where that relationship's going at this point. I don't know what either of them wants. I don't know who either of them likes. I'm like literally so confused by the whole thing yeah and then yeah but basically back at the beach we we do see rachel is is sad but again like it's it's hard it's hard because i feel for her um in this situation and i

get it but like i do wish she would have said something um yeah she does say like she feels weird and she wish that he had like given their relationship more of a chance which unfortunately this is another situation where like it's just like back to back dates and like bad timing but I mean I wonder how she felt watching it back because like Brayden does say you know this date blows yesterday's day out of the water and he's like really into Becca and I feel like this is the first time I've actually seen Brayden like really expressive and into someone well he did seem to be into Rachel no he did seem into Rachel for sure but I feel like they showed a lot of Rachel's ITM's interviews about Brayden and we didn't see as much of Braden's interviews about Rachel, whereas on this date, we are seeing a lot of what Braden's saying behind the scenes and how excited he is about this date.

Okay, so now we get a reaction out of Olivia because Kat is now grabbing John Henry. Olivia tends to, in my opinion, I like her. I think she's funny. I think she's a great narrator. But when she gets hurt, she ends up taking things a little too full.

far as far as like the way she talks shit about something. I agree completely. Right. It's just like when things are good and she's commenting on other people's drama or she's making fun of herself, she's so good and she's so funny. But yeah, with Kylie and Will and now with Kat and John Henry, like she does, her interviews do go a little too far. She gets a little too hurtful in my opinion with what she's saying about people.

And it's because she's hurt. Yeah. But like it's almost like, yeah. you just need to dial it back just a little bit because you're good and like you're like Olivia

I almost want her just to like like she gets too phased by the other women in these situations where we see her finally grab John Henry and I think John Henry

likes her. I do too. I do too. And they kiss and like it's good. So if she she like has to and they like she said I like you.

He said I like you back. Like he said you're my number. one like I almost want her to just have just to chill out a little bit I don't think she has to has anything to worry about I feel like she might be her own worst enemy in these situations a little bit I think so too because I do think I think she likes John Henry and I think he likes her but she's also probably a little bit triggered because like it happened to her once it happened to her in the beginning yeah yeah maybe um but I don't know like I and Kat is like going for John Henry yeah

she's not just like pulling him once like she's been after him all day so she's she's probably feeling a little protective over her relationship. Yeah, which is fair. I just, I just, I just for her sake, I think she just needs to focus more of her energy on her relationship with John Henry instead of letting

it, you know, go a little more towards. Yeah, she's really let Cat get under her skin. Yeah, which you can't do because cat's good at that and it's it's going to be to her own detriment. Yeah, because eventually it will, if Olivia continues like cat get under her skin, it's going to trickle into her relationship with John Henry, and it's

probably going to end up being what causes him to go to Kat over Olivia, if that's what ends up happening. Yep. Okay. So right now they seem pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Because I always see Aaron B.

and Eliza finally have a conversation. If you're confused, it's fine because we're all, we're all a little confused. I actually wrote down the timelines. I wrote down exactly what he said because I wanted to figure it out. So he said he had an ex that he broke up with an August. then he had another girlfriend after that girl that he was on and off with and they broke up in January and he got the call for the show in December and then I wrote I think it's okay dot dot dot like I don't really fully understand what's happening but what do you think do you think Eliza needs to see

it as like a huge red flag no I don't I actually think Aaron B is I I always almost think he needs to be a little more confident in his delivery that he didn't do anything wrong because I don't think he did anything wrong. I think because his delivery was so confusing because he seemed nervous it made him look guilty

but like really breaking it down like I don't know if he has anything to be worried about question mark. I don't think so either but Charity is here. She comes down to the beach. Wait can we talk about one other thing first before we get into this Eliza said before we're going to pull

and B that she hadn't talked to him all day. Oh, yeah. I actually marked that too. I was like, what? Why have they? Where have you been? Where has he been? You've both been by the pool all day. Like, at this point, like, I was with you basically 24-7. Yep. That's a problem. Like, that's a little...

That's a red flag. That's way more of a red flag than this ex-girlfriend drama. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. Could call. Yeah, that's weird. Like, I was like, who are you guys hanging out with? Like, okay, it's one thing to be like, yeah, I had lunch without Aaron today like but it's another thing to be like I literally haven't spoken to him all day yeah like you're you're on the

path for engagement you really have to spend a lot of time with this person if you want to take this thing serious start talking to him all day like start talking to him more so charity comes down she looks great everyone's happy to see her except for some of the guys like

Aaron B she has conversations we see her talk to Eliza we see her grab all the girls first. Kat and Olivia kind of both funny. That was really funny. Really really funny. They both are like, I'm dating John Henry.

Well, I'm also dating John Henry. Well, we have a really good connection. Well, we also have a really good connection. He told me I'm his number one. I was like, this is a crazy interaction. I want to know what the relationship is between Olivia and John Henry before Cat

steps in. Because we really don't, like how long have they been talking? Like a few days. Yeah, that's what I... Like one row ceremony. Yeah, that's what I want to know how strong. that was because like I don't I think you can only be so strong after a few days I think you gotta give it like two to three rose ceremonies before you can consider it

like a serious relationship because it is yeah I guess but like if it is a stronger relationship on the beach which I don't know if it is like yeah if I'm Olivia I'm pissed too let's ask let's ask cat yeah we'll ask her what she comes because maybe she was like no it was like they barely hung out

and then we see Aaron B grabs cat to talk and that's that Aaron B's going to lose that every single time. Yeah, well, he was just like, why didn't you bring it to me? Like, why didn't you tell me? And she's like, well, you already knew. What do you mean?

Why didn't my question if I'm Kat is like, Aaron B, why didn't you tell Eliza? Like, why didn't you warn Eliza? Were you just going to leave here with her and then let her find out once you leave the show? Like, I don't really know what the conflict is. Kat actually handled it, like, pretty well. Like, I kind of agreed with what she was doing and saying here. I didn't really understand what Aaron B's angle was in this conversation. he's just mad and is just he's just mad he's mad that charity's here he's mad that cat exposed

his situation he said these rumors could ruin my life which is really dramatic he's like charity how keen are you to destroy my life i don't think she's i don't think she's i don't think charity really i i don't even think charity would have brought any of this up if cat didn't bring it out no charity coming down to this beach definitely was not coming down to ruin air to ruin air B's life. Like the only reason this is happening is because Kat happened to bring up this information. Charity was the source and now charity's making a visit to the beach. I think Aaron B is just doing, I think he's doing quite fine. I think Eliza really likes him. I think he likes her. I think it's where they didn't talk all day. I think he just needs to be a little more confident

in knowing that he didn't do anything wrong if he didn't. I mean, here's the thing. I don't think he did anything wrong from like what he said to Eliza. And I think that because people, like, your single 20-something-year-old dude who applied to be on The Bachelor, you don't, you're not going to sit around for months and months after you submit that application being like, well, I can't date anyone. I might end up on this show. Like, he got the call. He probably looked at the girl he was dating and went, this isn't that serious. I'm not going to marry this chick. We've been on and off for months.

Maybe I'll find a level of my life on the show, but it's not in front of me right now. And it sounds like the breakup was semi-mutual. You know what I mean? No, I did. I said perfectly. That is probably exactly what went out. Like, whatever. Like, he was dating and then he got the call and then he started the process to potentially get on the show and then he got on the show.

Like, but the way he's acting is making it seem like he did something really sketchy. Yeah, because he's overdramatic about it. And that's why even like when him saying, these rumors could ruin my life, it's like, they're not going to ruin your life. It's like the rumors that I'm hearing can't ruin your life. But maybe is there rumors that I don't know, Aaron? Like, that's what you're making me think. by like how serious you're taking this. Yeah.

He almost, it's like, it's like laugh it off a little bit. Like it will do you good to find some humor in this situation instead of like don't take yourself so seriously. Like it is.

Yeah. Not that serious. Yeah. Like everyone has X's. Yeah. But okay. We'll see. And that was a lot.

A lot went down in this episode. It was great. It was fully packed. I can't wait to see what goes down next week with Blake and Jess more cat John Henry Olivia we'll see what goes down with there being Eliza

Rachel Braden Becca there's just there is there's a lot happening with a lot of these couples we don't know who's going to stay together who's going to separate but we'll see make sure you stay tuned to that we also have for the Golden Bachelor don't forget to tune in

because we have the woman tell all coming up pretty soon Joe and I had the pleasure of watching the live taping of The Woman Tell All, and it was so fun seeing all the women together again. We got to talk to a bunch of the women, so we have a really fun episode coming for you guys. Yeah, make sure you stay tuned and subscribe to Bachelor Happy Hour. That's a wrap. And make sure you check out our interviews later this week, Cat and Jess. Bye. Bye. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously,

suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe. Find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, it's Jemma Spag, host of the Psychology of Your 20s.

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