Bachelor Happy Hour - A ‘Golden’ Reunion with Ellen | Golden Hour

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan reunite with fellow Golden gal Ellen. Ellen is here to chat all things aging, dating, and everything in between! We kick off today’s episode by catching up with Ellen and jumping right into her thoughts on dating later in life. Then, we hear a very touching story about Ellen’s late best friend, Roberta. We also chat about Ellen’s perspective on dating — what’s changed and what’s to come? Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to follow so you never miss an episode! Looking for some Golden advice? Head to BachelorNation.com/GoldenHour to submit your questions to Kathy and Susan!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are thrilled to be here. And if you haven't done it yet, now really is the time to follow our podcast. so that you don't miss even one episode. All you have to do is search for Bachelor Happy Hour in the podcast app and hit the follow button. Yes, please, just hit the little button and we'll always be notified when we're on again. And today, we have a very, very special guest, the beloved Ellen. Ellen, thank you so much for joining us.

We love you. I love you too, Susan and Kathy. Thank you so much for having me. Oh, Ellen, it's always so great to see you, particularly you and I have such a strong bond because we are the pickleball champions from our season. I'm never going to live it down. I want to know, are you still playing pickleball? How's it going?

Tell me. Yeah, I'll continue playing right now. I'm a little injured, but other than that, I'm okay. I'm waiting to get healed up and go back on the court. Still playing else, though. Still playing golf, though. How often did you play pickleball? like what is prior to your injury four times a week

wow that's pickleball and what's it like being a captain you know you you always kept saying you're the captain of your team in florida what does that mean to be the captain like do you plan the teams how does it work well on the funny side if i wasn't the captain probably you wouldn't have a team because somebody wants to do it it's called controlling these i wanted a team for my community in a division that was, you know, not too difficult, not too easy, you know, something right in the middle. And Susan's right. It's about control. But do you do the scheduling and everything you schedule all the games? No, it's a real, it's a real sanction league where there's 400 members and it's throughout all in South Florida. And it's really an amazing

a way that they function with like 10, 12 divisions and then 8 teams in it with 10 teams in a division and they just, they do accountants to check the scoring and it's really a really big deal. And it's a lot of work for the

captains. Yeah. Is it all female or is it male and female? All female. Yeah. I'm in another league that's a co-ed league. Okay. And that's, I don't have to do anything because I'm other captain. I love that week because I just go place. So do you meet new people? I mean, oh yeah. Well, the funniest is when you go to other communities

and you run to someone that you went to high school with because everybody's pretty migrating to Florida from New York, you know, so I met like six or seven, oh God, maybe more people from high school college that I haven't seen in 20, 30 years. Wait, that must be really fun. Any good guys that, you know, maybe from high school that. Yes, there was one, but he's married. He's out. His wife is very, very nice. I just want to focus on one thing that you said at the beginning of this show, which was you've been a little injured and you're coming back. That is what we're about, right?

As we get older, things happen. Things happen, but we're still getting back out. So I just want to applaud you that you've had a few health issues, but you're not giving up. You're not giving up. You're getting back on the course. Honestly, it's just, you know, a really bad sore hip. There's, you know, I, you know, think about the whole premise of why I got on the show with Roberta.

And that's something that you can't fix. Yes. And I am so grateful that what I have is so fixable. Yeah. People that have it in a short time, they're back on the court again. Yeah. And that's the positive energy. Yeah, that's the positive energy.

Speaking of the show, Ellen, give us a couple of. your favorite memories from the show? Besides meeting Susan and me, of course. Well, that's definitely a big plus. But, Kathy, you're in one of those favorite moments, I have to say. Oh, dear. Okay. Go for it.

It was good that winning the Pickleball activity was so much fun. Just having fun, getting excited, cheering everybody on, shooting the champagne all over the place, having you as a partner. Oh, you're so sweet. It was really a great time. But better than that, sorry, Kathy. The princess date and the balloon and the...

Oh, yes. Excuse me, where are those diamond earrings? I still want... They're on. She's got them on. Everyone needs to know. Do you remember I try to keep... I try to steal them from you every time I'd say,

Ellen, can I borrow those earrings? Or can I just try them on? I said, if I gave them to try on, I would never get them. But you did share a lot of the clothing that you were given from that princess date. I will say that. Remember the heels that I couldn't even walk in? Who has those?

Edith, I believe she could walk in them, right? Can I just, wait, can I just say one thing? Sure. You got tons of clothes, Ellen. You got these fabulous earrings. Susan got like a framed photograph and a piece of pink quartz. I got the photograph. Whatever.

Quartz. Quartz. What ever? Quartz. You know what I got? a big fat zero just want to put that out there again that i wasn't the princess date i didn't get i didn't get i got zip it and you own it that's right i told me that's what i did zip it exactly anyway just i think we should um talk about our topic of the day what do you say susan

i have a good question for her okay ellen what have you learned that you either need more of or less of about love after being on the show What have you learned about one? That's a good question, Susan. I learned that you don't want to be with anyone if you can't be yourself. Yes. And honestly, I get more pleasure out of just being comfortable in a situation now where I don't have to pretend to be someone I'm not,

where I used to be afraid of that. You know, I had a few learning disabilities growing up, and I was always self-conscious about it. I wasn't able to read till I was in third grade and little things like that, stay with you. And as you get older, they don't really go away. They just manifest itself in other ways. And The Bachelor, believe it or not, at the age of 70, actually helped to change that and made me feel that why would I want to be with anyone that wouldn't accept me totally? And totally is a lot.

Everybody has faults. And a lot of things about people that I have loved that I didn't accept that really needed to change the behaviors. Well, sometimes they could and sometimes they couldn't. But it depended how important it was to me. That is a prevailing thought. We had spoken with Nancy on another episode and Nancy was talking about a guy that didn't want to date her because she had some health issues and you're talking about learning issues. again, I think being our age and accepting ourselves for who we are and looking for people who accept us who we are, that's one of the things that separates us from the younger

crowd, truly. Yeah, I think that at this point, we've accomplished most of our goals. And after doing that, if we can't just be ourselves and enjoy that part, you know, then and enjoy the people we're with. Like, I'm pretty selective about the friends I pick. I'm selective about... Susan, we should feel grateful.

I wish I could be selective about the men, I think. But I am. Well, that's the next question. What are you looking for in a partner now? And has it changed what you were looking for before the show? Have you learned anything about what you're seeking?

Yeah, I was a people pleaser. And now, I want the people to please me. Amen, sister. And not in a snobie way. It's compromised. In a way that we both can benefit. And like, especially cathayistics in my head, I want to do her.

You know, I don't want a sitter. I don't want to call you a used to guy, Ellen. They're called used to guys. Used to guy. I love that. And I'm so good you reminded me of that because I want someone that is not a used to a guy. I want some of that is a doer now. And, you know, I know we're older. I know we get injured. I know things slow down. But it can be as simple as enjoying the same kind of movie.

It doesn't have to all be activity, you know, reading the same kind of books and discussing them or, you know, going to a reserve and seeing all the birds being born. I mean, things like that is not super strenuous and pickleball and golf and all that. It's just commonality. Yeah, I agree. I don't have commonality with somebody. Well, that's what happened. You know, very misleading.

I went out a while ago with someone that I thought was very promising, actually. I mean, I was sort of, I was sort of happy. And then I realized that even though we had so much in common that his life was way more important than mine. And I don't expect him to want to do everything that I want to do, but the attention pretty much had to be centered around him. And that's, I think you're saying it, Ellen, it's, you're not going to settle. I'm a little selfish at this stage.

I want to be shared, you know? Yeah, but also you saw that as a red flag and you didn't, I think when we're younger, we try to change red flags into white flags. And you didn't even try it. I think good on you. For me, it was the yellow light. I recently met a guy recently that's very sweet and kind and fun and nice. And, you know, there's possibilities there.

I'm going to see him in not too long from now. Well, so can I ask you, Ellen, are you on a dating site? Is that how you met him or? No, as a matter of fact, go into your DMs? The first one was through pickleball friends. Okay. Through the league, actually. One of the other teams from another league suggested it.

And then this second person is somebody that I met in a restaurant gathering. It was to promote the restaurant. So I was invited to go there. Not as Ellen Goldbergat, just as Ellen's friends. And it just happened that, you know, he came over and said hello and it was very casual. So you know what I'm hearing here? Ellen, you are doing what I wish more. women and men our age would do you're not sitting back waiting for the guys to come to you

you've got now you go out and you do things and you look and when you get out and put yourself out there people come into your life it's i think that is uh um amazing living it's really what's really important is what really is important is the thing that you like to do is where you're going to find the people that like to do it too. So I don't really love the bar scene. I didn't mind the intro to the restaurant. That was sort of okay. It was nice. But I would be uncomfortable in a bar scene, but I wouldn't be uncomfortable in meeting someone at a golf course or wouldn't be uncomfortable meeting somebody at a movie festival. You know, these are things that I would like because these things that he would like as well. So it's. So you have something in common.

The best thing is being recommended or somebody referring someone, that's the best. It sounds like a business deal, Ellen. Yeah. Could you recommend a nice, good-looking man? I need his referrals. I need his recommendations. If a friend says, I know someone that would be perfect for you. I know you and I know him.

That's the best. Have you ever been on dating sites and will you go back on ever? I was on dating. It was a while. So, yes, I was on dating sites. And no, I will never go back. Isn't that funny? I think we all feel the same way.

I was on, I think, all of them. And after the show. Forget it. Right. Yeah. It's like funny. Not because they're not good. Some people, a lot of my kids got married through dating sites.

I marry so many couples that have met on dating sites all the time. My son that just got married and he met her. I performed the ceremony. I never envisioned being with a woman. I'll just be honest. I'm Jamel Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Spolitics. On this week's episode, I'm joined by basketball legend,

Candice Parker, who stops by to discuss her candid new book, The Can Do Mindset, in which she shares why she waited two years into marriage to come out. Like, when I close my eyes at night, every night, I was like, I need to find my prince charming. Like, it was never a princess. Like, that never entered into my mind. But, you know, as I learned, sometimes life gives you things wrapped in a package that you didn't expect it.

And that was just, you know, and honestly, it took me a long time to be okay with myself. Make sure to listen to this week's episode of Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect.

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I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, Ellen, I don't know.

I mean, I know you pretty well, but I actually don't know very much about your marriage. And I, you know, whatever you're comfortable sharing. But I really want to know how you're different now. And do you want to get married again? I was very confident with the person. and I was married to him for 25 years. We were friends first.

We know each other since we're 10 years old from Sleepaway Camp. I'm sorry. Did you say Sleepaway Camp? Yes, she shared this story with me. I remember. Okay, keep going. I want to hear this. And we've been friends for, you know, forever since 10 years old.

And we're still friends today. I mean, really good friends. And just we separated in two different paths. We were both going to go in the field of education. he wasn't supposed he couldn't get into it as very bad timing for teachers at the time and we went different ways but that's not even the issue the issue is that um we had a good relationship and i've always felt confident with him and always felt comfortable with him it's when i left the relationship is when i started to feel not confident because now it's with someone that's not my friend

someone I don't know that well and someone that I'm not really sure if he likes me what does he think of me should I be funny should I be not should I be serious and I never had a guess with my husband it was always easy it's not easy but Bachelor has taught me it really is easy because if you don't have to think about it and it's easy and with the Bachelor I don't think anybody of any of the girls really thought about they would just for themselves the whole entire time. And that was the beauty of it, the confidence level. I think with almost every single one was really like off the charts. And I think it was great. I mean, the fact that they just said and did and they were happy being them. Ellen, what would your girlfriend, Roberta,

say to you about the last year of your life right now? You're welcome. because she put you she recommended you for the show right yes it was well she didn't recommend me what she did was she pushed you sort of threatened me and you know used her illness as a weapon to say you better do this for me or else and you know it turned out to me i love that i love that she's looking down ellen she's looking down i got to tell you a quick story um i was there recently we had my really good friend Nancy from the community. Her daughter's getting married. I'm so happy for them

and she needed a steamer for the wedding gown, you know, and Roberta had a steamer in the community when she lived in Florida. So I called her fiance to get, you know, is it okay if we go over to the apartment and get the steamer? So he went over, we got the steamer

and he said, while you're there, you know, pick up a couple of things that you might need or want because, you know, It's just sitting there. Yeah. So I said, okay, fine. It was no big deal.

And we went through all the boxes and everything, and everything was empty or, you know, cleaned out. And all of a sudden, I see a box. And this is the truth. I honestly, I promise you, we see a box on the dresser. And we opened it up. And there were two crystal angels in it. Oh. I've been chilled right now.

I'm telling you. Okay. The hair on my legs are growing. Nancy is my witness. You know, she said, oh, my God. My light of Christ because it was like, holy shit. Yes, you're allowed. Yes, be you.

And I just said, this couldn't have been here before, because we would have seen it, and we would have opened it to make sure it was nothing in it. Don't you think she led you there? Well, the scariest part after that was, as we're leaving, right on that same dresser, there was a little piece of paper, like, behind where the angels were.

and honestly I can't lie it's on a podcast Nancy you'll verify we pulled out this paper and it was a picture of Roberta and me 16 years old oh wow

just that no other picture no other paper nothing out of nowhere you've been in this place before that was never there now all of a sudden it's never remember seeing it I've been there a few times

to help him straighten out and Rajah straighten out some things and I had never ever seen it's so it's so funny either you know like

no it's it's I honestly believe that those things happen as you know Ellen my husband passed away and Easter

was one of his favorite holidays he used to hide the eggs for the kids and cook a big meal it was like he loved he loved all holidays but

cardinals ever since he died cardinals have been a thing. Easter morning, I'm sitting, having coffee, and there are two male cardinals sitting on the limb just staring at me the other day. And I just sat there. I just knew. I just knew. I believe. It happened to you before also, you said. Oh, yeah. But I'm just saying on Easter, there they were again. It's just, I believe in those things. I really do. She's always with you, Ellen. Yeah, and she'll always be with you. And she had a blast on the show. Bringing back

the show, just for a quick second. Sure. There's a favorite story of mine that you are involved with if you don't mind Sharon. It's hysterical. Do you remember the night that you got up to go to the bathroom in the middle of them? The one they did the retake of. Yeah. This would be called Ellen's bloopers. Oh my gosh. Share that with us again. Okay. Oh, gosh. What happened was, you know, I was mentioned that I have to be by the bathroom because I go like, forget it. I said people are aged due, blah, blah, blah, blah. We go often, yes. So it's like three o'clock in the morning and I go into the bathroom and I'm sitting there peeing like whatever. Doing your thing. Doing my thing. And all of a sudden I see this person walking in like in the dark, right? They didn't turn. turn on a light like this like a zombie walking in and um not having a clue about

you don't turn the light on three in the morning you wake up you just follow your way to the toilet you go yeah all of a sudden faith was this person he turns around in front of me in the toilet and starts to pull down her pajama bar and you're like no and i went no and honestly she aged 20 years I was scared the lights out. Because she didn't know anybody who'd even in the bathroom. I mean, I'm telling you.

Wait, wasn't that better than her actually peeing on you in the middle of the night? But I said in the bleeper, whatever, I said, oh, God. I said, I really didn't want to get peed on at 4 o'clock in the morning. I'm not bad.

I mean, let's say 5 or 6 o'clock either. But, you know, people don't know how much, I mean, obviously the cameras were not on in the bedrooms, but how much fun did we have at night after the lights went out? Oh, God. It was, you know, it's really hard to compare to anything because they never had an experience like that. I mean, the best time I had an experience, that was in sleepaway camp and I was 12 years.

Wait, wait, wait, sleepaway camp when she was meeting her then future husband. 10 years old. Yeah, we don't know what was going on in that bug. Was it co-ed at that sleepaway? It's called the rain. Listen to her. A co-ed sleepaway camp. Yeah, different campuses.

Susan. Oh, okay. I was getting nervous. You're 10. I would freak out. Different campuses, different cabins. You know, there's that little thing called the counselor. Did they co-ed in the water in the lake or anything?

Like, were you with the boys? As we got older, we weren't angels. Uh-huh. Especially when we were counselors then. So, wait a minute. Ellen, Ellen, you have children. I know you do. Given your sordid, colorful past, I would like to know what dating advice you've given your kids. What, what? What dating advice have you given your kids? Your sons, what dating advice? Well, they did pretty good on their own. I'm not going to give them any advice

because a lot of the advice doesn't work for me, so certainly don't want to get into them. That was the next part of the question. Is it the same for you? Well, I think being a boy or a man is a lot different than being a female, but no longer a vulnerable female, which is, that's the advice I would give them. Be yourself, you know, don't try to be someone you're not. I gave some serious dating advice, and I want to know with the son and you as well, Kathy, you didn't give that same advice that I gave, and that is. Yeah, give your advice.

Wear a raincoat, boys. And what no means no. No, that was my biggest thing when they were young and starting to date. I did not tell my daughter to not wear a rancor. I said, son, Kathy. Son, you didn't tell them to use protection? I was a health teacher, okay? They pretty much know all the stuff I teach and all the things about birth control and about what did you do, Ellen, get out of a banana with a condom and show them how to use it.

Oh, that was only when I taught high school. I didn't do that school, you know. No, I can't tell you something else. I can't because it's... Oh, come on. I tell you. I mean, no one's listening now, and it's just us three here.

Please forgive me school for talking about this book. I did the banana when I was teaching in ninth grade class. Okay. At the end of the day... Oh, God, it's so embarrassing. The end of the day, nine period, one of the kids must not have eaten lunch or something. And in this, Gould's, I know it's weird,

but it is, like, has appeal. And I'm really hungry. Can I have the banana? Do I have that banana? And everybody's like, oh, yeah. Well, you peel it. So all I know is that I just tell them not so much about that because they know that's my thing. I tell them just to be themselves and make sure the person that they're with is themselves and that's how the connection starts.

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Hello, Ed. from a very rural background myself my dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin so like it's not like What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke

but that really was my reality nine years ago I just normally do straight stand-up but this is a bit different on stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear 22nd of July 2015 a 23 year old man had killed his family.

And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I got to share one of my favorite moments with Ellen was at the talent show. That poem, that funny, when you talked about the kids that you were teaching and sex ed, I just, I enjoyed that. Well, the nicest compliment I ever got was actually from you, Susan, when you said, I would actually have paid to see that. I did. I know. I was like, wow, maybe that's my new gig.

Do you miss, Ellen, do you miss teaching? I miss teaching, but I love retirement. So you can't have both. I mean, I could, but it's not the same. So I love retirement as much as I love teaching. So I don't miss it. I just really enjoyed it. And my professional life was terrific.

It was amazing. I was very lucky. You are. What do you think? Is it game time yet? Okay. Ellen, we want to play a little relationship game of

would you rather? Okay, you're ready? Is this anything like the ice cream game? No, this is never have I ever, no, this is not. This is what it's about dating. But can we just say something about the never have I ever? Oh, God. I had never heard

of that game. Ever. Certainly acted like you did. Well, I was eating ice cream. They got me out of the pool. I was hungry. But I'd never heard of it. I've heard it. It's like they do like spin the bottle. It's all and that kind of thing. I remember spin the bottle. Well, Ellen, do you remember where we did play that game? I ran for the hills. I'd never done anything. I'd never done any of the things they said. I was like, I felt like.

Your face, Kathy, was like this. No, no. If we're talking about faces, priceless, priceless in my entire life, I've never seen such a priceless face. when Leslie got up at the talent show to do her dance. You and Teresa was next to you had that little teeny tiny cowboy hat and she's like, in shock. You know what? I'm not a dancer like Leslie. What can I say? It was so funny.

Your face. I loved it. I'm sorry. We'll get back to the game. We're going back to the game because never have I ever. Yeah, came up. Never have I ever. Okay.

So in a partner, Ellen, would you like a guy? who has in a partner that you know a man a guy you're dating partner I'm wearing a park we're not in Alaska if you're in Florida

no one's wearing winter coats partner partner have you I have the same hobbies as your partner or different hobbies would you want you guys

to do the same things same or different hobbies really tell me why because if I'm truly with this partner I would hope, especially as a retired partner,

I would hope that we had as much in common as possible because it's not going to work for eight hours and coming home. It's 24-7. Okay, as soon as I bet you and I, we need our little bit of a loan time. Oh, I didn't say that. You said, would you like the hobbies to be the sick. I would like some things that I do

not to be exactly what he does. But I would like a lot of things to be common. Okay. All right. And that goes with every relationship. They should have their own thing as well. I need my manicure time and all my spa time and all that. The one hobby I'm not sharing, cooking.

I want to do it all myself. Oh, right. I'll share that in a second. Ellen, I don't cook. It was a joke. Okay, I get it. Okay, Ellen. And Kathy, what would mean more to you?

A good morning text or a good night text? You mean getting one? Yes. Okay. What do you say, Ellen? Good morning. I'm the first thing you think so when he waits. stuff. I like it. And you know what? Just to be difficult, a good night text means on the last thing he

thinks of before he goes to bed and he's going to have a nice dream about me. Okay. I want both. I'm just saying. I like them. I want both. And if he doesn't send me one in the morning, I'll send him one. Yeah. Like I'm good like that, but it's nice. Yeah, it's nice to hear from somebody when they wake up or the last thing before they get asleep. Well, what about least expect it? That's the most time. Yeah. Okay. So, basically this guy is not going to be doing anything but texting us all day. All right, I've got a good one here. And this one is especially close to me because, Ellen, I think you know this. Susan married my son and his fiancé just a few weeks ago.

And my son, if he's listening, I love my son, Kyle, but the guy cannot dance. He's got like lead feet. He and his fiance took dance lessons for like eight months. And he wouldn't tell us. We thought they were in counseling. we didn't know what they were doing fertility treatments we didn't know for eight months they were taking dance lessons so here's the question such a good job he did i was so proud of him okay would you take with your parka or your partner would you take a dance class together or do karaoke together oh okay i went out with someone for three years and we actually did dance lessons i think it was the most horrifying experience my life. Are you serious? I was a ballroom dancing and I sucked at it.

Oh, I had a count in my head. I don't know if this complexity I had something to do with it, but Five, six, seven, eight. Or the box step. Five, two, four, six. But anyway, I love Carrie. And I don't care if I make a fool of myself, I love that. Okay, but wait, are you going to do it with your partner?

What if he can't sing? What if he can't sing? I can't say it or who cares? That was just a detail. All right. One last question for you, Ellen. Do you tell your date a white lie to spare his feelings or would you share the truth even if it hurt his feelings? Oh, Susan, that's hard because I really don't know what it is.

It's a white lie. We're not talking, you know, criminal defense here, a white lie. Something that wasn't substantial that really upset me, you know, or so upset him, like an outfit that he had on, you know, and he loved it. I would say, he looks very nice on you, even though it was terrible, you know. I would say it after that night maybe say, honey, that's kind of out of style. Let's retire that. Yeah, I would try to make honest that honesty added it later on, like you said. right um it would have to be not an important thing something that yeah no for me i've learned

you know keep your mouth shut when it except when it really matters i would just say gosh honey you look fabulous and just go to the bathroom and laugh or something you know i would never well that does it for today's episode of bachelor happy hours golden hour i just want to say thank you we both thank you ellen for coming on i cannot wait to see i think we're going to see you at the end of this week, right? Oh, wow. Oh, yes. That. I love that. And the podcast. Yeah. Oh, well, Ellen, we'd love to have you back on the podcast again soon. But we always enjoy chatting with you. Thank you so much for joining us. And everyone, please be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour as we have lots of new episodes coming out a couple of times a week and you don't want to miss even one of them. And you're going to hear me again, please submit your

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