Bachelor Happy Hour - A Tale of Two Sams

Episode Date: July 30, 2024

Today on Happy Hour, Joe and Serena are recapping last night’s episode of "The Bachelorette." We kick off today’s episode with Jenn and Sam M’s chaotic one on one; did Sam dive a little too deep? Then, we get into the awkwardness of this week’s rugby date as Sam N. also struggles with Jenn this week.  Joe and Serena also share their thoughts on Devin following his one-on-one date. Plus, Serena has some passionate fashion advice for Thomas N!    Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are back with another recap of Jen's season. This is episode four. Four. I will say I've been, I've recapped a bunch of episodes. I've been doing this podcast for a while. Clickbait I did before this.

So I've been watching the show forever now. And I will say that this, you know, like this episode, I didn't even have to take notes. This was one of the more entertaining episodes of The Bachelorette or The Bachelor that I think I've ever watched. I don't know why. I think I just enjoyed every storyline, but I was very entertained. I agree. I feel like I was the opposite. I took like so many notes in this episode.

And I kept like pausing it and rewinding and relisting to think people were saying and writing down quotes. because there was just so much I was overwhelmed by it all. I think a good episode of The Bachelor standard has like some good loves moments and some good drama moments. Yeah. But I feel like this one had so many storylines

that were interesting and engaging and unique and crazy that, yeah, it was just a jam-packed episode in a really good way. Yeah. So I think we, let's break this down from like okay well they are in they're in new zealand so we know that that's location beautiful beautiful place we start off with a chat between jenn and jesse did you know that they stopped

doing food on dates after jesse season because he was chowing down so hard i didn't know that but it makes sense after watching him eat just in this and this episode because he was he was going to town in this episode i mean i knew that eating on the dates wasn't really a thing because like it sounds gross you don't want to listen to people chewing blah blah blah and you want to focus on like the conversation versus the eating. But watching the clips of him chowing on corn on the cob on his one-on dates and like slurping noodles. I was like, this is so funny. Someone had to be the guinea pig and it was, it was Jesse. It was Jesse. Yeah. He was the straw that brought the camel's back with the food on the date situation. Okay. So we have, she gives her first, her first one-on-one date goes to

Sam M. Sam M. So, yeah, I'm excited to learn a little more about him. I want to see how his, how we see him a lot basically just like him arguing with Devin and his interaction with the guys but I want to see like a more vulnerable side of him with Jen so I'm happy that he got the date so we get to learn a little more about him. Yeah, I feel like Sam M, we've seen that he's a passionate person. He's physically super passionate with Jen. He's super passionate about his hate towards Devin.

He's got some strong feelings. Yeah. And him and Jen definitely have a spark, a connection. But if I'm being honest, up until this point in the season, I haven't really seen Jen have like a deep emotional connection with anyone. Like she's had some good conversations.

She definitely has some sexual chemistry with some people. But I'm waiting to see those relationships really develop. And I think it's obvious that we know she likes Sam and it's a good time for them to progress a relationship further. Definitely. So

it doesn't start off great for Santa. no it's like actually it's pretty hard to watch at the beginning yeah so she's sitting there and it's like okay hey surprise someone just jumped off the top of this building yeah the top of this building which is very high and we know at this point she hates heights because she was very vocal about it when they did the skydiving date and this date starts off and it's very romantic like they're sitting at a restaurant they're looking at these beautiful views of the city and the tone shifts to tense so quickly. Well, she's very

scared and he, so the waiter comes by, like, asked, would you like to would you like to basically jump off the building? I forget exactly what it's called, but they're going to jump off the building. The sky jump. Which is very popular in this area of New Zealand. I don't think it's like

a regional thing. I think it's like a special to this building situation. Yeah, true. That's funny. And he, she's freaking. She's freaking. out and he steps in is like we're going to do it like you're doing it as well and she's like you're you're not not you this is like worse than ordering food for me you're gonna you're gonna basically

tell me I'm jumping off this building which was a crazy move and very in like it would make more sense if it was like I don't know if I should and like she was kind of like indicating like push me to do it we're playing around we're flirting jump in and be like yeah let's do it That's exactly what I said when I watched this I was like if she was giving off the like oh I don't know like it sounds a little scary and he was more just being encouraging like let's do it I got you we'll do it together

like you seem on the fence but like if you want to do it like I'm here to do it with you but let's do a shot let's do it and it's like yes like you've done that with me before where it's like I'm on the fence and you're like giving me the confidence to do something but yeah that's with like a cold plunge exactly like when we do cold plunges

and I'm scared and we put on tunes and you hype me up but she is terrified of heights like she has legitimate fear of heights she didn't want to go skydiving I highly doubt she wants to jump off this building and he immediately is like no we're doing it

and you can see she's frustrated with him about it and his response was like there was just no remorse but it didn't it just felt like they were not connected in that moment

it was a it wasn't even like an argument where I was like, oh, like, she's being like this or he's being like this. The argument was just very weird. It felt like there was no communication happening or at least no effective communication. Yeah, I was watching. I was like, either we're missing something or these two are like... Totally different pages. Yeah.

I was like maybe he's used to being with like adrenaline junkies and he just doesn't understand what the problem is and I would be upset if I was her too, I think. If I really didn't want to do something and I was genuinely terrified in this person was making this decision for me, not asking how I felt about it, not considering my feelings about the situation and was kind of pushing me to do something that I clearly just really didn't want to do without inquiring why or like how he could support her through it. Like I just felt like they needed to have a much, much more in-depth, mature conversation about the situation and it was just falling so flat and it was just really uncomfortable

and weird to watch. Yeah. And I almost, I watched it. I was like, I was watching. watching and I was like it almost feels like like I don't know how Sam didn't pick up on at the beginning like I'm now overstepping a little bit I need to I need to like back up because this girl might like break up with me on the spot and we're not there yet like it like it's one thing for him to jump in and be excited and be like no we're doing it and then maybe realize that he overstepped him backtrack a little bit and be like That's what I was waiting for. Yeah, that's what I was waiting for too for him to be like, I got excited.

I thought that you would maybe want to do this too, but I'm totally okay to not do it if you don't want to. But it just felt like that light bulb never went off for him. Yeah, I was like, in my head I was like, did Jen say like push me to do? But it was clearly she didn't want to do it. Well, he said something like she needs to get comfortable being uncomfortable. Yeah.

Which almost made me think he realized how scared she was. and he was just like, no, we're going to do this. And I think he maybe had this vision that, like, she was going to be scared, but they were going to do it. And she was going to feel great after. And it was going to be like an amazing, memorable experience. Which kind of ends up, which actually ends up what happened. Totally after he, like, you know, pushes through the point of tears.

Well, okay. So they go out, they go on top of the building and they have an option to jump off the building or walk around the building. Now, for me, walking around it is worse than jump. off once I got up there I would say harness me in and throw me off this thing because there's no way like the way Sam was leaning back and hanging off it I was like that that looks terrifying there's nothing I want to do less than hang off a tall building yeah like same as me walk I harness me up and I will run off this building like get me to the ground

as soon as possible I want to spend as little time on the platform as possible what would you what would you what would you if you had to choose an option to be hanging off that building or be dropped in the middle of the deep deep ocean when it's pitch black out no I have to hang off the building I can't mess with the ocean like we don't know anything about the ocean we don't even know where eels came from like I just I can't be involved with the ocean in the in the middle of the night time the ocean in the middle of the night is a scary place yeah And it's probably scary than we even know because so much of it is undiscovered. I would hang off that building for 24 hours before you drop me in the middle of the ocean.

With that being said, I would jump off the building before I hung off of it. So we see, I just knew that would. That's my biggest fear. That's my biggest fear. I knew that would get you. And then we, yeah, I mean, they basically, she's still like, they're still kind of arguing out there. And then finally, Jen breaks down. She starts crying.

And then Sam consoles her. And he's kind of like, just don't do it. Which it was like, okay, you've, you've, you. finally read the room. Yeah. It's late as far. He's hanging off the building and she like won't even look at him. I literally just want to shake him and be like, Sam, like, wake up.

She's freaking out. But he finally got there. I do think, you know, he made some serious errors in this situation. But Jen, I will say, kept saying in her interviews, he's not reading my emotions. He's not reading my emotions. And to his defense, they don't know each other that well. That's what I was going to say. I almost feel a little bad for him because I feel like he like he totally misread the entire situation.

And then I feel bad as a strong. Yeah, I don't feel bad for him because I don't think he was opening his eyes to her feelings as much as he should have been. And he should have been a little bit more sensitive to that. But I do think that she and, you know, this is very difficult to do when you're petrified with fear for your life. But I think she could have done a bit of a better. job of expressing her emotions and standing firm and like, dude, I'm freaking out. I don't want to do this, not because I'm not adventurous. I'm genuinely terrified. I need you to take a step off that building and comfort me and like think about what I might want and what I might need in the

situation because I think he was really set on something that he wanted to do and wasn't really in tune with what she wanted until she started crying, unfortunately. Well, I think with a lot of these guys too and I think that's kind of been the a little bit of the issue with the season is a lot of these guys are like instantly like that's my girl that's who I'm going to end up with like and like everybody's like they're being whatever ferociously passionate or whatever everyone keeps saying but I feel like they are missing the beginning stages of a relationship which is get really getting to know someone and you could see just being out there and seeing how scared Jen was and him not being able to pick that up is a sign that he doesn't really know this girl.

Yeah, they don't know each other that well at all. So I think, like, I think a lot of these guys need to take a step back. They all need to just be more curious about who Jen is and more inquisitive and take a breath. Instead of worried about if they're going to be the ones to get engaged to her. A hundred percent. If I hear like, I'm Jen's husband, Jen's my wife, it's me and her. One more time from one of these guys.

Like, and then you see so many things play out that just tell you like how little Jen knows these guys and these guys know her. Yeah. It's like people's words are not matching up with their actions and what we're seeing of these relationships. Well, 1,000%. I'm Jamil, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge.

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This will be kind of quick, but Sam opens up to her and talks about how he was engaged. There was another dude. Yeah, he questioned her a lot and was probing her and basically found out there was another guy, which I'm assuming there were signs or he probably picked up on it. And that's rough. And he did say like he's, he is ready and he's somebody that wants to get married, which I do believe. I believe that too. Yeah, I think he wants a family.

talks about that. There's always some reassurance in the guys that come in that were previously engaged because it's like, okay, you were ready to do this at one point in your life. So like there's evidence that you're serious about a potential engagement in a marriage here. Yeah. And I think this is the first time we see these two kind of like connect on a more serious, like deeper level, which is his saving grace after the beginning of this day. The beginnings just started off so rough on this date.

And I would say it just continued to get worse until about the middle. And then it slowly got better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The night portion of this day was really good. She opened up. She actually got really emotional talking about just her family dynamic and not feeling worthy of love, which we see her open up about more later on in the episode as well. But it was definitely a more serious moment.

And as much as the date was quite rocky, and I will say that there was some concern. things happening with their communication and the overall dynamic of the relationship, these two are really into each other. And I think that only grew by the end of the state. Yeah. And I think, like you said, I think a big part of that is really just not kind of like jumping into this thing, you know, 10 steps ahead, but realizing like you don't really know this person.

So it's kind of like. Yeah. And just maybe like what she needs from Sam is not something that Sam is used to giving. I'm curious. It just seems like compatibility is a little off. I'm curious if the night portion of this date was the front end of the state if Sam would have reacted the same way with Jen or if it would have changed. I think it would have been the same.

Yeah. Okay. All right. So let's jump to the group date, which is a rugby date. And the other Sam. Sam N is kind of the. one that really stands out on this date and not for any good reason it was it was pretty hard to watch i'm not going to lie like i watched it i was like this is bizarre and i'm going to

be honest it only got worse in my opinion yeah i kept getting worse it was like the day portion it really felt like he was just like really amped up maybe a little too many energy drinks a lot of bold moves happening but all felt like felt out of character but like he was just like having the time of his life and maybe taken some risks that weren't really aligned with what he would usually do in those situations but the night portion in my opinion was like much worse than the day portion yeah and his whole his defense was like I'm here I'm not here to make friends I'm here for Jen and I think that's fine

but in the same breath you do need to like you have to treat your pairs with with some respect or at least a little decency like you really you really should and it was different like what Devin did

because I felt like he was like in his head was comparing this to what Devin did on the date with the ice cream thing and I feel like Devin pulling her for ice cream for 10 minutes during the group date. I get how that could rub guys the wrong way.

But to me, that really wasn't like, I didn't really have an issue with this. But the way Sam N. was just like talking to the guys and like basically like telling them like, this is how you should be acting. It was just like, it was hard to watch. And like all the other guys were like, this is, this is ridiculous. Yeah. And I also think Devin, as much as like I wasn't really vibing with the way he was moving in

that first group date, especially with like the Aaron and him drama and all of that. We've really seen him, and I hope I don't eat my words in the next few episodes, but we've really seen him calm down. And I think it makes more sense to me, someone coming in and coming on really, really strong and moving at like 120 percent and then maybe being like, whoa, I got a little carried away. Let me take a step back. Then Sam N, like week four, ramping it up to.

200% when he was not showing like these parts of his personality for the last three weeks it just feels like where did this come from it felt like really forced like watching it I like felt embarrassed for him I'm like this is this is this is like getting really awkward like what is what is happening like the way he was walking in front of the guys in the house with the trophy in his jersey and he was just kind of like fuck these guys like I'm doing

I felt for the guys because they were kind of like like they were really trying to like talk him off the ledge of like dude just yeah even Marcus said chill out what did he say he said to Marcus

when he went to down the couch he was like can you check yourself like and it was like yeah like he really needed to to be honest and I think during the day he did a few things that I was like okay Marcus said to him can you check yourself yeah

Why did I say the other way around? Oh yeah, Marcus said that to him. During the day, you know, he's stealing Jen for like some moments. And I'm like, you know what? He's just like really trying. He's really trying. He's to put himself out there and to connect with her. But then the night portion, it was like a cocky attitude.

It kind of turned into like this like it turned from enthusiasm and a lot of effort and boldness to cockiness. And that's, I think, what really starts to rub the guys the wrong way. Yeah, no. It was really rough Like he clearly put the trophy down in that spot So that he could sit closest to Jen Because you know she's gonna walk in and sit in the middle of the couch So that he could pull her first

Which he did Which he did And he pulls her first And you know They're having a conversation And she was I thought she was honestly great In the conversation

Like she was great And I actually thought The jersey thing was cute Like she had Jen's husband written on his jersey he put one that said like Sam N's wife like It's a little early for all that But like we're just we're just having fun here Yeah

It's a little bit much But he's that's kind of you know He has the problem But he's doing it with He's not doing it with like fun energy It's it's coming across of like Letting you know this is what's going to happen I'm going to be your husband

You're going to be my wife Yeah you're right You're right The delivery It's kind of like similar to what we said About the him saying I'm falling in love with you thing It's like the delivery always falls a little flat, unfortunately. Yeah, and he's basically.

Because he's saying like, this is manifestation. I'm manifesting that you're going to be my wife. And I didn't realize they hadn't even kissed yet. Yeah, they're never going to because he asked her at the end of the conversation, can I kiss you now? And she unfortunately says, Sam, I need to walk you out. Which I think was the right decision. Yeah, I do.

I think like, and we interviewed him and he was a. nice guy I just feel like I really feel like this just was not his element yeah and we just see like Thomas N tries to pull him aside in his yellow polo that I just need him to throw in the donation bin because I can't see it in another episode Thomas if you're listening you've a great wardrobe okay I've seen you in some really good looks I've seen this yellow polo three weeks in a row you're a handsome dude does nothing for you it's not your color I think we can I As your friend, I'm telling you, like, it's time to let that thing go. And that's how I stand.

Okay. Another thing you feel passionately about. I really feel passionate with this polo. What did he say? What was that conversation between those things? He wore a green sweater at the beginning of the beginning of the episode. Look great on him. What did they?

When he interrupted Thomas, how did that go again? He pulled Thomas aside, I think, because all the guys were just like, enough is enough. And they're trying to talk to him. And Sam N is just like, mind your business. This has nothing to do with your. time with Jen so like you should just mind your business and it it doesn't really match the situation what he's claiming like it's not like these guys are spending their time with Jen talking about him like they're all just chilling on the couch only one person gets to talk to her at a time yeah and he's

rubbing them the wrong way and they're kind of just telling him like you got to cool it man yeah I like this isn't even about Jen right now like yeah we're just like all sitting here trying to get along like exactly what do you what are you doing yeah and he's acting like he won the whole thing when it was a team effort. He's using phrases like boss bitch energy and hot energy only. The boss. Oh, I forgot about the boss bitch energy. That was bad.

That might have been. That was really bad. But the one highlight of this group date was Marcus gets the group date rose. Yes. And Marcus and her have a chat talking about he hurt his shoulder during the rugby game. He was the only one on the date that actually played rugby. Yeah. He wrecks his shoulder.

the beginning. And I thought their conversation was really great, really powerful. I thought she did a great job of being there for him and providing a safe space for him to open up if he felt comfortable to do so without pushing him to a place that maybe he wasn't comfortable going. I agree. I agree. Well said. And he said something along the lines of, oh my God, this really broke my heart when he says. He said, hurting about anything sometimes means hurting about everything. Yeah. And you just know, we've heard his story on his one-on-one date. He's been through a lot of very serious life events.

And he got emotional when he got the rose. And honestly, it was, I was really happy to see her give him that rose. I agree. Because I think that reassurance meant so much to him. And I think it would hopefully only encourage him to feel the strength to be vulnerable more and more throughout this journey. Agreed. I'm Jemail Hill, host to the Sports and Politics Podcasts Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party.

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Yeah, it actually went really well. Yeah, I think they're. She was way more chill than I expected him to be. Yeah. I'm curious, I'm curious where her head was before going into it. But I really think like after the date, she feels pretty connected to this guy. to me after that date he's he looks like

he's definitely one of the front runners yeah I think at this point her strongest connections actually might be Sam M and Devin the two one-on-one dates this week maybe and then I would say maybe Marcus Marcus is up there Grant is up there even though we didn't see too much of him this episode he had a couple funny lines

Jonathan Jonathan I was going to say really really cute moment playing lacrosse together on the group date Yeah, yeah. Jonathan, he's one of my favorite people in the house. Yeah, he's great. So there's definitely a couple guys, but Sam M and Devin obviously had the one-on-ones this week. So we were able to see their connections really grow. And I feel like week four and five are such pivotal moments when you're a contestant on the show of like if the connection has started growing.

Like this is the turning part where things are just starting to go from like, let's get to know each other and see if we like each other to, okay, is this something. serious. Yeah. And I do think, yeah, and I think with Devin in Jen, it is definitely becoming, and even with Sam, it's, they're all, they're becoming serious. Like, they're becoming serious relationships. They're talking about their past relationships. Their, um, their families, how they grew up. They're being open and vulnerable with each other. So they are definitely both moving in that direction. Yeah. And they bonded over, you know, Devin says his father was an immigrant from Mexico. Um, and his parents. split and then at the night portion they dive more into just the similarities between their

upbringings and how they both don't have the most well Jen actually says she doesn't have a relationship with her father I think at all anymore and Devin's relationship with his dad is a little bit more distant as well but I don't know I thought he spoke about his childhood and his past and his relationships with his parents um very maturely and they There's clearly been a lot of, like, reflection and growth done there. He even admits, like, you know, I maybe wasn't the best kid and I idolized my dad for these reasons. And you can just see how he's grown to have this admiration for his mom who really worked and took care of him and raised him. And I thought it was, like, a really vulnerable moment from him.

Yeah. And I thought it was nice to be able to see Jen really connect with someone on a deep level. over something that they have in common. Yeah. This was a big, and this was a big episode because we get that from two guys. So yeah.

I think Sam M. And Devin are, they both got the one-on-ones. And I would say after both of their dates, they are both in a much better position that they wore going in. Yeah. I would say the only person that I would say

is not in a great spot with Jen, Would have been Sam N if she hadn't sent him home. Oh, well, yeah, Sam N. I was, Sam N was going home this episode whether or not she sent him home or didn't give him a rose. Okay. Then the last, the last part of the episode, which. Oh my God. I almost totally forgot about this.

I was like, wait a second. There was no cocktail party. What happened? I'm so happy that we're getting Jen on this week because I need to ask her more about this relationship. So Jen's ex, one of her ex. not the toxic ex. This was an ex that she still got along with. They date it early on and then they rekindled later later like a few years later. She said they dated for like three to four months or he said Matthew is his name. They dated for about three to four months three years ago.

But it sounds like they've kind of been on and off since they dated. Maybe like as friends, as more than friends. And he's coming to tell Jen that he's in. love with her. Yeah. Which I wonder if they've ever said they were in love with each other before. Well, we're going to ask her because I need to know because like her. I mean, she was supposed to be going to Columbia on a trip with them and then to two weddings it sounds like.

Yeah, like recently. But that doesn't, that doesn't mean it was serious. It could have just meant like, hey, we're both single. Let's have some fun. To be honest, her reaction was very shocked. but also she wasn't it wasn't like it I wasn't like oh this was a serious boyfriend it almost seemed like they were it was a casual it's it seemed like it was a casual relationship and she was like whoa I didn't know you had these feelings or maybe it like teetered the line of are

we going to take it to that next level and they just never did did he who broke it off I don't know was it said in this conversation no I don't think so you know what was crazy I've never seen them do this on the show is they broke the fourth wall when when Jesse Palmer's talking directly to the audience I was like what is going on right now like is this Ferris Bueller

like what is happening like I don't like I've ever seen them do that in the show like Jesse Palmer is dead ass talking to the camera about Jen filming her B-roll down by the harbor with her producer like I'm looking at one of our producers on screen I'm just like what is going

like I like it was just so so um like off brand for the show but I liked it I enjoyed it I was just really really taken aback like Jesse Palmer's looking in my eyes and was like what is going on I guess they do do that actually at reunion shows just rarely on the actual show and they like rarely ever mentioned like the the work that goes into filming the show what do you uh okay so we're going to ask Jen a bunch of questions about her past relationship with with Matthew and how she felt when he showed up. But overall, what is your opinion on him as of now? And how do you think the audience is going to respond?

I don't know how the audience is going to respond. I think it would be easier to see once the next episode comes out, like how this all plays out. I liked him. I think he seemed really nice. Seems very nice. He really wasn't giving bad intentions. to me.

Yeah, I just worry that like, I think it's going to be hard for him not to get the rap of like, you just want to be on The Bachelor, which I don't think he does. I don't think he does either. I don't get that vibe either. But I don't get that vibe either. But I think a lot of guys are going to push that. 100% people are going to push that. I mean, that's always going to be a question in people's minds of you've known her for all

these years. and now she's on a TV show and you're here. But I don't know. Like, I can't imagine maybe this is just because I wouldn't ever do this. Like someone going on a show that like I wasn't interested in, but I was like casually dating for years. And I was like, you know what I'm going to do is get my ass on TV and be a fraud. And fly to New Zealand.

And fly my ass 24 hours to New Zealand on my own dime to wreck up her life a little bit for a few days and get my 20 seconds of fame. Like, what? I agree. No. I just you got like I just really don't think I would say a very very small portion of the population would ever do that and this guy is not giving me that well said we are on the same page and I like them too but do you think she should if she's interested let's say she's curious about where the relationship could go do you think she should keep him because we have seen leads bring people on late before yeah like Nick from Nick went on Caitlin's season but thing, but he was on a previous Bachelorette. We saw

Blake Moyens go on Katie's season. I just I think it's hard because I do think I do think there's a part of Jen that has to be aware of that there is an audience

and I do think it's going to be hard for people to be like, well, why the fuck didn't you guys figure this out before you agreed to be the Bachelorette? And I think her answer could be simple of just like, yeah, I just didn't know his feelings were that strong. And now knowing that, maybe my feelings were stronger than I'm aware of. But I think, I mean, listen, I think if she really has feelings for him, regardless of what people are going to think, I think she should keep him.

Really? If the feelings are still there. If she is really just like, I will never end up with this guy, then let him. him go. Yeah. It's so hard. I think if I was going to keep him, I would maybe say like, we're going to give it a week and then I'm going to make like a hard decision. I think it's a good way to test how you're really feeling about the people that you are feeling. That's true. You know, like she can really now go back to the Sam's and the Devons and be like, hmm. The thing is if I'm a contestant, I mean, look, if I'm a contest, I'm like, it's her decision, it's her season, it's her show.

But I would have a really hard time with it because I would be sitting there like, I can't compete with an ex. You've known this guy for three years, even if you weren't dating him the whole time. You have an abundance of history with him. That wouldn't faze me at all. I would just be like, I just wouldn't be thrilled that he was there. I mean, I would never be a jerk to him, but I'm sure someone. the guys will be if he keeps him. I would never be mean to him. But in my head, I would really feel like I wouldn't even pay him, like I wouldn't care. I guess you could also look at it. But I would feel

like I have the advantage. Because if you guys couldn't figure this out for three years. For three years. Exactly. Probably not going to figure it out now. 100%. Yeah. Right. I agree. Well, that's my mentality also of why I don't think she should keep him. You know, if you've had three years of history and you haven't figured it out yet I don't know if you're going to figure it out now and like you should give these guys a hundred of a full shot without comparing them

to someone that you have like all this history with outside of this rough situation I thought I knew I knew there's not really a clear right or wrong answer it's really whatever her heart's telling her I knew in the teaser that we were going to get like someone from her past comes back

I just associated it with charity season when Aaron came back and I constantly forget that he was on her season so it wasn't like it was like true X and I just thought it was gonna end up being like where it was too late but he kind of is coming back where it isn't too late

it's like right before the windows fully shut where her she's like my relationships with these guys are so far along like I'm falling in love like I could see myself with some of these guys and she's not quite there yet I know I got to stop saying 100% I've said it like five times It's okay, so have I. They should add it to the vocabulary of the show

and all the freaking lines that are getting thrown around 24-7. But, yeah, it's like right before the window of opportunity shut, he's snuck in. And he's not some dude, but this guy seems like a genuinely nice guy. And I think she's actually curious about where it could go. And she's not really far along with these guys yet, where it's like the door shut to someone new entering the journey. I think the smoothest option with the least turbulence

is to politely send him home but I know that's easier said than done if she really has strong feelings for him And then we think maybe if she wasn't asked to be the Bachelorette would she have explored that relationship because we do from her season wasn't it Daisy who went back off the show and then kind of like got back with a guy from her past

a guy that she used to date. So, like, it does happen. Oh, yeah, 100%. People get back with their exes. Well, we'll find out. We'll ask her later this week. Yeah, we have a lot of questions and unanswered questions. Make sure you stay tuned to the episode with Jen.

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