Bachelor Happy Hour - A Waltz Away from Hometowns!

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re recapping last night’s episode of “The Bachelor”! The queens of Scotland had their final week before Hometowns and there is a lot to get into. We kick off today’s episode discussing the weight of this week’s one-on-ones: Is this a red flag or a red rose? How did Juliana and Litia’s dates change the game? How did Zoe not get a one-on-one?! We’re getting into it all! Plus, we chat about the explosive Carolina drama, the makeups, and more surprises with the Rose Ceremony. Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yes, episode five. A lot of people gone at this point Yeah, barely anyone left This was a very quick season I feel like there Well, it is a quick season Because it's, I think it's only eight episodes Where we usually see 10 episodes

And it was less women to start with We're usually in the 30s these days And I think we're only at 25 to begin with With grant season I will say I prefer more women okay well

that's rude I prefer more of more bad too I prefer a more a bigger cast a bigger cast because we are now down

like this episode felt a little like naked to me I was like we're I need a few more players in the game that's a great descriptive word thank you I like that word choice for you oh thank you naked

yeah I like you know Like, I think, yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't have used that word to describe the episode, but I think that it applies. Like, it feels like. I was going to say, we're too empty this early on, you know? Yeah, I was going to say Stark, but I feel like I've been, I use Stark a lot. You do. Way to find a synonym for Stark.

Yeah. Yeah, thank you. You're welcome. Wow, I wasn't expecting. No, I just never. In four years, heard you use the word naked as an adjective. Yeah. So I praise you for your courage.

Well, this is this, already this episode's starting off one of my favorites. Okay, so we are. But I will say the show has gotten longer as it has existed for more time. Like Trista's season of The Bachelor, it was like six episodes. Hmm. I think, right? It was quick. Uh, sure.

Yeah. I'm just making a point that like, you know, we're not, we're flexible with our season length here. It hasn't been like 10 episodes since day one And like this is the first time It's ever been a shorter season. Charity season I think was eight episodes too But I haven't watched since day one And I'm just as an observer of what I prefer

I prefer more of a cast More cast more episodes Yes Okay Okay so we're kicking this thing off We're in Edinburgh A place I really want to go actually It looked very beautiful

It's not really my weather of choice But it is your weather of choice you love gloomy, rainy vibe. Super cozy, super romantic. I do. I do. And I also love, I love winter, Christmas time. But I do love summer.

You love all seasons. You don't discriminate. I respect all seasons. Except spring. Except winter goes a little too long. And I've never really been a fan of spring. No. You like all the seasons between June and December.

I like the beginning. of major league baseball which is like mid-April okay but that's kind of spring that is kind of well yeah i don't i guess i don't discriminate against seasons um next week is hometown week so when i heard that i was like oh shit we're here already um that's quick we get a little golf scene with jesse and grant um they're on the golf course nothing major happens there just two guys you know jesse just one of the boys just two two of the boys just out there hitting balls hitting balls

playing with each other's balls um juliana gets the one-on-one yes so this is by far you know probably the most important one-on-one date don't you think the one-on-one you don't think this is the most important one-on-one day

no what do you think the most important one is because I think that typically the people that get their first one-on-one the week before hometowns it's like how have you made it this far without a one-on-one like it's kind of like we're choosing from the last for choosing from a pool of two people this week who haven't gotten one-on-one dates and typically i would say the people that get the one-on-one date the week before our hometowns either get sent home on that date are getting their second one-on-one date or it's just not that serious between them and the lead but i don't actually think that's the case with juliana but or letia well letia got her second one-on-one date

she's already had one kind of because she had that night portion date from the the daytime activity well i will say this if a one-on-one date is offered to you at this point in the show before hometowns i think you should take it well yeah yeah i'm not saying you should reject it i'm just saying if you're asking me the like i think weeks two to four are the the most notable one-on-one dates whoever's getting the dates in those weeks, I think it's usually something more serious than what we get with week one

or week before hometowns. Okay, okay. That could be a stupid take, to be honest. Hey, any takes a take, you know? I do know, thank you. You're welcome. They go on a helicopter. You know, this date was,

I felt between the two one-on-one dates this week, there was a little more, hmm, there was a little more, like, seriousness I felt to the Latia one-on-one date. But then again, Juliana did open up, so we'll get it to it. Okay, so they are castle for a day, trying on kiltz. I mean, it's the princess. It's like a different version of the princess day, you know? Like, I mean, he didn't necessarily take her on a shopping spree and he too was playing dress up.

But, like, it's the iconic. We see it every season. I actually, I'm not against a reoccurring date. Like, I think it's kind of fun. Well, I hope not because then you'd be against the show because it's basically all reoccurring days. Yeah, but this is like an iconic bachelor date. We see it almost every season of the bachelor where they are like, we're going to give you the princess treatment. You get to try on all these pretty outfits.

You get to drink champagne. and then you get to wear something really special to dinner tonight and like we kind of just like shower them with luxury and I think that it's just very telling because typically the person who gets the princess date goes far but I mean it's coming pretty late in the season so I don't know how telling it is this time around because she's already gone pretty far how awkward is the dancing moment on that date where like you're two people that there's like these professional ballroom dancers and they just see how they like split the room and they both had to like walk down the aisle like dancing oh my god i'm not even joking i blocked that part of the

episode out by would you would hate that i would hate that moment i would be fine i'm i'm pretty game for anything on a date that's not like me having to like write a poem or do a talent show you know i don't like when people sing happy birthday to me no which is i don't know why because you do like attention i don't like attention you were on like five reality tv shows not because i like really why then because I needed the money okay so yeah okay then we cut to the house we cut to the house Latia gets the one-on-one Zoe gets upset at this point in the show really like Zoe we interviewed her I liked her as soon as we started talking to her she was somebody you kind of at the beginning of the season you didn't know which way it was going to go.

Zoe being upset that she didn't get the one-on-one is totally understandable. Yeah, I'd be pissed. I'd be like, I'm the only girl here who hasn't gotten a one-on-one. Like, I'm the obvious choice. And I love Zoe's attitude towards life of like, this sucks. I'm upset, but I'm going to put my best foot forward and I'm going to do my best. on this group date like I'm putting all my shit aside I'm probably she she in her head she's like I'm probably out yeah but let me just give it a go and that I that I really respect you kind of have

to have that attitude to survive filming the show I think like you need a little a little dash of toxic positivity to make your way through like you need that to survive life yeah um what did you think of Juliana and Grant's conversation at dinner? I think it was necessary. I think at this point, Giuliana gets her first one-on-one late in the season, like you said. I think her being vulnerable was important for their relationship. And they related on a lot of it.

He's like she felt like a lone wolf. He's got a lone wolf tattoo. Like, what? So like they relate it. And she said she's falling in love with him. And when he said his interviews, he felt the same way. Yeah. I also think it was good because we've seen bits and pieces of Giuliana throughout the season,

but I don't think we've really gotten to know her past her just kind of being like a fun, bubbly, happy gal. So to see a deeper side of her and it being a topic that Grant can really relate to and they can bond over, I think it actually pushed their relationship forward a lot. Yeah, I agree. I was just thinking, I was like, if we would have seen this earlier in the season, like you said, if Giuliana would have got this one-on-one date three weeks ago,

we may feel stronger about like, seems like she has her. It seems like Grant really likes her. Yeah. And she really likes him. I just feel like we're just seeing, that now yeah it almost feels like their relationship like just developed this week into something that he is actually serious like she might be or it's just been developing and we haven't really

we haven't really we haven't seen it but even just in their interactions like I just feel like we've seen him get more serious and have deeper conversations with a lot of the other women and this is the first time we're seeing him kind of build like a stronger foundation with juliana but I think that it's based on a shared experience and that can really turn into something. Yes. I agree. So leaving this date, I'm pretty much like Juliana's going to get a rose. Yeah, I think so too.

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AXS.com. We go to the group date. Carolina is having a bad time, which at this point, like you kind of, I think throughout the season you go back and forth with how you feel about Carolina. Yeah, I agree. The way she's handling the show, not her as a person. You don't really, we don't know her. but like everyone's entitled to feel the way they feel and but it is hard to side with carolina

on it on this date in particular because like Zoe's also having a hard time but but you see you see the difference of like Zoe who's like this sucks but I'm going to give it my best effort and carolina's like this sucks I don't want to be here yeah yeah my issue with carolina on this date and the way she went about it isn't that she's having a hard time i mean girls been having a hard time like this environment has clearly been very challenging for her on various levels i didn't love her move of like going and sitting at the table i totally understand being like i'm not in the mood to put on a brave face today and pretend like i'm happy and pretend like i'm having a good time when i'm just not like i i do sympathize with that

but it kind of feels like she instead of like being like I'm gonna go take a moment to myself like I'm gonna go to the bathroom and like take some deep breaths and try to like re-centre myself into a positive mindset like she literally sat in his direct line of sight and was just like sitting like I feel like she kind of baited him to come up to her and be like is everything okay like she wanted him to see that she was having a hard time she wanted him to come check on her like if she I don't know. It wasn't my favorite because... Well, where's she going to go, really, without being in his line of sight? Here, I don't agree with it, but, like, I also really can't talk shit about it because I'm kind of like that. Like, if I'm in a mood, like, especially on one of these shows, if I'm in a mood and, like, I'm like, I don't even think the fucking lead even knows who I am at this point anymore. I'm probably, like, the one in the corner, like, this sucks. I don't want to be here.

Yeah. I am a little bit like that. You kind of are like that. I am a little like that. I get out of it quicker. Like when you don't want to do something or you don't want to be somewhere, like you're not really a I'm going to put on a brave face kind of person. You could be a bit of a baby.

It could be. But, you know, everyone's got their thing. It's hard on this show because like negativity a lot of the time gets rewarded with attention. And I'm not saying she didn't deserve a conversation with Grant. I think the conversation was productive and sweet and really helped her, like move forward from the mindset that she was in. I think that's great. But I think that it ends up being hard for people like Zoe, like Alex, like Dina,

like Serafina, who are, you know, pushing through the group date, especially Zoe. I mean, like she is pushing through probably like a lot of frustrations right now with what's going on. And she's doing her best to be positive. And she's probably sitting there being like, I too want to go. on a rock and have Grant comfort me and I didn't do that because I was trying to be positive and be like a team player here and now I am the one that's going to suffer even more because I was trying to be positive and I'm losing out on more time with this guy when I'm already not getting a one-on-one this week.

Absolutely. Yeah, I agree. Like if this if this went down the way it appears and the rest of the girls who are also trying to get to hometowns and who are also on this group date meaning they didn't get the one-on-one it takes time away from them and then they have every right to be pissed off yeah because it's like well now now my chances my chances have lessened because of you yeah and that i would be like yeah that sucks um rough situation but anyways grant i think he handles the conversation with carolina pretty well he like pulls her out of it um how did you think he seemed with her like i think i to me i think he's seemed a little i think he's he i think he does his best at understanding that it's a hard difficult

situation to be in i think he at this point is a little fed up it seemed like he was just kind of like all right like like you were my one of my top girls and you basically aren't anymore because of all this yeah so like can we fucking figure this out or not um and And I think that's how most people would be at this point. Yeah, I think Carolina was someone that I was pretty sure was going to make it to hometowns. And I thought, again, I thought the conversation went really well. And she, you know, opened up. And I think that's great.

And he was able to come for her. But I, after the conversation, I was like, I don't know if I think she's going to go to hometowns or not anymore. Like my, I have some, some doubts on where the relationship's going. I think he's feeling like a lot of their conversations are surrounding drama and negativity. And I think he's also probably seeing maybe what we're seeing, which is I just don't know if this environment is conducive to her personality and what she needs when it comes to the process of finding a relationship, which, you know, I don't blame her for that. It's a fucking weird environment. You're dating, you know, one guy who's dating a bunch of people. I mean, regardless, it's the environment you're in.

Yeah, yeah. But whatever. So we go to the night portion. This has been my favorite part of the season that every one of these conversations that Grant walks into the room, it's just crickets. It's awkward.

It's negative. He's like, he's like, he's like, you guys having fun and everyone's like. They're like, we hate you and we hate it here and we are about to fight again with Carolina for the third week in a row. I mean, we need to change a little bit. bit of the vibes on this fucking season i mean it's like he walks into the room and it's just like

death is entered what is happening what am i watching um Zoe Zoe has a good conversation with him um i liked when she was like well you know i'm the only one that haven't hasn't had a one-on-one but he seems to really like her and i think he really respects her too could you go to hometowns without a one-on-one date uh yeah i feel like you would I mean yeah you're on the show I don't think I would you may not but like I think I think most people would I'm not judging Zoe at all but I just I think it's so I don't know like I'm I think it's unfair to like be like I'm gonna take you to hometowns but I never gave you a one-on-one date I also my parents could not take it seriously if I was like yeah he gave like seven one-on-one

dates and he didn't give me one but like he's here to meet you guys like my parents would not be able to take me or the relationship or him seriously your parents wouldn't care and you would totally i would i wouldn't pass up the opportunity for america to see a hometown with your family no you'd be doing them a disservice yeah i really would i really would i also do think like i think it's really hard on this show to feel ready like like especially for an engagement with with the short amount of time that you do have so i there is something about like when your family meets someone that you're dating you could get a feel of like oh maybe i do really like this person or maybe i'm maybe i don't yeah so i think there i think like if you

make it they're like why why not see where this thing goes yeah that's that's how i yeah um Zoe yeah Zoe has a good conversation girls now it's the girls versus Carolina which at this point makes sense then it's Dina versus Carolina which Dina's like I've been sticking up for you and now I'm just fucking annoyed with you and Carolina's like well I'm not gonna talk to you and she's like I know it gets really hard when you're seeing the girls like Dina who are in like strong relationships with the lead be so frustrated because that's just like not you. usually a good sign you know like it's like dina has no reason to be to be getting involved in the drama like she's probably going to hometowns next week but she's just clearly so fed up yep and then dina talks to grant and she doesn't really say anything but they're they're like on the same page totally he's like you don't have to say that isn't a good sign for carolina either at that point she barely said anything and grant was like I literally know exactly what you're talking about and retweet that and I was like it is over for carolina yeah yeah that's that's when I knew to

yeah that's when I was like it's over Carolina's going home Dina's getting uh the hometown a hometown yeah um and yeah it's just like like at this point I feel like at the end of the day Carolina was her own worst enemy totally and it happens I think it's easy to spiral on this show And she did and she never pulled herself out of it. And I think we, and that was what we saw with Zoe at the beginning. And she pulled herself out of it and she had a good season. And not only she had a good season, she made it hometowns. Night portion, or then we go to Latia's one-on-one date.

Yes. They have a natural connection, says he could see her as his wife or a wife. He said a wife. I can see her as a wife. Oh, did he say that? Yeah, it's something I caught. That's interesting. Well, when they were talking to the two.

I didn't catch that. When they were talking to the two older Scottish women and they're like, yeah, that's something about like, you know, kissing bells or something was created in Scotland. And when they're like at the beginning of their date. And then he did an interview. He's like, I could see Latia as a wife. A wife. I could see her as a wife too.

Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people could. But is she your wife, Grant? Exactly. she the day portion was very fun and like i love these dates they're casual they're relaxed they're you know eaten and walking but the night portion i feel like was really the highlight of this date yeah i mean at this point you can't like i don't think anyone's watching this show not thinking that letia's the strong favorite yeah and like juliana's creeping up on her but I just feel like we've seen more of Latia with Grant.

They seem to really like each other. And their conversations are always, I don't want to say heavy because they're not like dark. They're just very intentional and very serious. Like you can really tell they're trying to figure out if they can marry each other. Yeah. Then Latia opens up about being very conservative,

very conservative family. The latter days. Church of Saints or almost something like that the church I think it's the Church of Latter Day Saints yeah which is the Mormon church the Mormon religion yes um I mean yeah that's that's just like I mean that's if you if you're really strict in that religion like I don't know like was she okay if Grant drinks and I think she is

I don't think, I think it's just about them not doing it, but like, I have a lot of questions about it because she has never dated anyone that's not Mormon, right? Oh, that's another thing she opened up about it. Yeah, I was actually very surprised when I heard that. Yes. So obviously, Grant's not Mormon. And I would hope that this was part of the conversation. We just didn't see it.

Or maybe they'll get there down the line. Maybe this is more of like a fantasy sweets talk. But like, if I'm Grant, I'm like, okay, well, I don't. practice Mormonism, where's the line for you? Like, I think Grant, like, Grant drinks, I'm assuming he has coffee. Like, there's a lot of different things. Like, what does she care about him implementing? And what is she like, hey, I don't do that, but I'm totally cool if you do that.

And would you be, you personally be open to joining, let's use Mormon because it's the example of Mormon church for someone. you are falling in love with. I mean, my knowledge of Mormonism really comes from like the secret lives of Mormon wives and like the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. So like my knowledge is not like super in depth

about the religion. But from the things I do know, like I live my life in a very different way and by very different rules than they do. So it would not just be like I'm taking on this religion and this belief system of this community, like it would be kind of life altering. You know what I mean?

Like for me to be like, I'm cutting out alcohol and all of these things. I don't know if I would be open to it. I wouldn't be open to dating someone that was Mormon and a practicing Mormon. I would definitely be open to that. But I don't know if I would be open to converting to Mormonism. Well, especially like I don't know enough about it right now to say I would, but I would lean towards no. I would be open to it. I'm Jemail Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics.

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Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get to. your podcasts okay so back on topic um so i guess the the big thing with with grant and latia is grant actually meeting meeting her family um i think in being i would assume being open to Mormonism yes i just think hip and Latia clearly need to have or we need to no they may have had that yeah sorry they may have had we don't know but there obviously needs to be conversations regarding like what her expectations are for him what her hopes are for a husband and the father of her children when it comes to

their role in the church and I think meeting her family we see in the teaser he's like you know I obviously want to like them but this is more about if they'll accept me because I'm assuming this is the first guy she's ever brought home that's not Mormon so I'm intrigued on how the hometown's going to go. Me too. Yeah, I'm intrigued in how, well, I would assume the family knew going in. That he wasn't Mormon. Yeah, it can't be like, it's not going to be like, what do you mean he's not Mormon?

Like, they know, I'm sure they've like done some digging on him while she's away. But I think that the conversation continues in, you know, a different direction after they kind of of talk about that where Grant opens up more about his childhood and his family structure. He specifically speaks on not having family dinners growing up, eating dinner alone in his room. You can just really tell that he sees Latia as a safe space. He opens up with her more than anyone else as far as we've seen. They get into very serious topics. You can see he's emotional in this conversation.

She clearly has so much love for him. She's emotional. And yeah, it's just, I think whether they end up together or not, like, it's just beautiful to see two people connecting in this way and, like, Grant talking about things that have shaped who he is that maybe he doesn't talk about very often. I agree. I agree. Well said. Thank you. I think it was a lovely time. She also says she loves him. I think that's the first I love you. She doesn't say it to him. But she says it in an interview. That's in my notes. Grant cries. Latia says she says she. loves him yeah those things happened yeah like after watching that like i said letia's the front runner yeah okay and then basically that's over so it's like latia and juliana they're in a

great spot everybody else it kind of could be any of the anyone's game anyone's game yeah we see carolina grabs dina they hug it out yada yada yada were you surprised when she grabbed her no not at all not really when she grabbed her what did you expect her intentions to be with the conversation that yeah me too yeah at that point i felt like carolina made peace with the fact that grant probably wasn't going to choose her and was probably like i had a pretty solid relationship with dina and i don't want to leave here on a bad note yeah let me and dina did stick up for her and stick her neck out for her. Yeah.

And like clearly has kind of a soft spot for her. I thought that was nice. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was nice that they were able to to leave kind of on good terms. Yeah. It seems like Serafina wasn't sure if it was going to be her or not. Alex definitely knew it wasn't her.

Yeah. Like what the heck happened? Like where did she go? No, I just think it was just, I just think they probably just didn't have a real connection. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. They definitely didn't.

There was, you know, she was there was an attraction and I just feel like enough of an attraction for her to be there for a very long time and I think that was kind of it yeah I will say I wasn't surprised that Alex didn't get a hometown I was maybe a little surprised about Carolina but not super surprised I was surprised about Serafina I think I would have expected it to be Serafina over Zoe Not based on anything other than the fact that Serafina got that extra dog date time, had the 101. It seemed like it went really well. Zoe never got a one-on-one date even though she fully could have.

And for him to be like, nah, I'm going to keep Zoe just kind of surprised me. Really? Yeah, I thought he was going to keep Zoe. Sarah, Fina and Carolina both mentioned that they felt blindsided. I don't know if that term really goes with the show. I mean, I guess it just means that Grant was probably really affirming them and they felt secure in their relationships. Well, Carolina definitely didn't feel secure.

That's a good point. I don't know how she was blindsided. If she was like, I feel secure this entire time. Like, she was clearly every episode, like, I feel insecure about this. I think it's probably just hard when you're, like, breaking down being like, I feel like you have stronger connections with other people and it's hard for me to watch that. And I'm just confused and I have these doubts and it's all these things are happening. And then he, like, does what his role is as, you know, the person dating her and the lead, like,

calms her down and reassures her and kind of builds her back up and, like, gives her some confidence in where they're at and then to be like yeah but like actually it's over i think can feel confusing but i feel like she might watch it back and have a sense of clarity seraphina i can understand being blindsided i don't know i i thought she was probably going to hometowns but i also think that lydia juliana and dina and honestly maybe zowe have stronger connections with him than i've seen with seraphina despite her time with him yeah i i just i just put them all in the same ballpark as far as like time and and and connection wise it just they all seem it all seem very similar like dina seraphina zoe carolina alics probably the least but they all kind of seem

to have the same i think they just have a similar amount of screen time yeah well whatever i think there's I don't think there's any way Zoe could have had as much time as like Adina. Maybe. Yeah, I guess you're right. You know, like just like just breaking it down. Yeah, she just didn't get a one-in-law. Yeah, I forget that Zoe didn't get a one-on-one. I just feel like Zoe was a bigger.

She's been a really consistent character on the show. Like, we've seen quite a bit of her every single episode, especially because she was like involved in drama in the beginning. And then her relationship has kind of developed a lot. I just think it's been more about like her screen time versus her actual time with grant yeah probably right okay everyone that's it for the episode uh make sure you stay tuned in the bachelor happy hour and we have juliana coming up in our next podcast yeah we're so excited to talk to her and then next week will be grant's hometown episode so be sure to tune in for our

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