Bachelor Happy Hour - Aaron B. Says All Is Fair in Love and War

Episode Date: July 12, 2023

This week, Joe and Serena are joined by the man who wants to protect Charity’s heart, Aaron B. In a candid conversation, Aaron B. opens up about his confusion over not getting the First Impression Rose, the undeniable chemistry he felt with Charity on their one-on-one, and why he felt it was so important to let Charity know that Brayden might not be telling her the complete truth about his long-term intentions with her.  Then Aaron B. shares some behind-the-scenes tea about his day in Barbie Land and teases lots more drama with Brayden to come. Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, Bethra Nation. Welcome back. Welcome back to Happy Hour. We're back. And we have a good one for you right now. Aaron B is on the show. Aaron. How are we doing? Between great and fantastic, Joe. I'm Sarada. Good to see you guys. And thanks for having me out today. Amazing. Thanks for coming. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay. Before we, we, jump into this episode um well two parts we want to know how you got on the show and how in the world you're friends with someone like erin clans who we love he's just joking oh my gosh that's a great two-part question because um he actually uh he actually had no part in my casting so

i was actually at whole of my parents playing dominoes uh for christmas last year and i'll tell you this too but uh yeah we played dominoes and all of a sudden i get this text that i was nomin you for one of the casting managers. And I look at my phone and I'm like, who could have nominated me? So I go through this whole thing and one of my best friends, he's actually roommates right over here

with Aaron and one of my old coworkers too. And I was like, okay, this is interesting. I guess I have no choice now, but I'm so glad I did it. Yeah, it was just such a surprise. Well, so you didn't know he was nominating you? No.

So he asked for pictures one day. And I think that's what it was. It was definitely what it was, yeah. Unless you got like a birthday coming up, then all of a sudden those are going to emerge at. I know. No, my birthday was two months ago. So I think they got me stealthily.

So they got, yeah, they got some kind of royalties to this. Why? Why? Like, why do you think he nominated you? You know what? I think he, he's known like a few of my relationships here in San Diego. Plus, you know, he's also. best friends with Clay at C as well.

And I think he was like, yeah, like, Eric, going, hey, you're a renaissance man. You can play, you know, you can paint, do this other stuff. Go ahead and show yourself because I'm always so closed off. So this was a great way to just, like, kind of step out. Yeah, he kind of threw me to deep end, but here we are. Okay. Yeah, no, and I think you're, you're someone perfect for the show. Were you familiar with the show?

I mean, I was assuming you're familiar with the show, but like, had you watched it before? Did you go in totally blind? Yeah, definitely. watched a good bit of it. So I watched Michelle season and I watched a few with James and Aaron as well. Big facts. So that way right into Paradise. I was just talking more about watching Bachelorette with Aaron this season. So we'll get some more at it. That's nice. I'm sure to have him to be able to like, I don't know, like bounce ideas off of Asper for Advice, watch the show back with a buddy. Like it's probably comforting to have someone else.

so close that's also gone through it other than the guys from your season obviously yeah it totally is like you know when you come back from this experience and you have to talk to someone about it it's like you got to kind of limit we you know keep the information out too because this is such an unconventional process that not that people understand so it definitely is nice to have classy you know guys like James too just like telling me and keeping me saying as well but it was definitely the overall great experience I'm glad that in my corner okay all right so let's let's get get in let's get into it um you get out of limo you first get there what are your thoughts when you

finally see charity in person man i first of all i didn't know i was going to be first out of the limo uh second of all you were you were you were dead first out of limo because sometimes they rearrange that when they you were first okay nice yeah yeah so i'm sitting in the limo and i'm just like hearts beating crazily i had like two shots of or two glass of champagne and i walk out, I look at her and I'm like, holy crap, like, she is literally like perfect. You know, it's one of those things where it's surreal until it happens. So I was just walking up to her and I was like, holy crap, like she's moving like a Disney princess. And I'm pretty sure I said that, but it was nothing that you could prepare for. And I thought I was going to forget

everything I was going to say. But yeah, you did it. No, I did it. There you go. I think, I think you are one of the guys night one that made a really good first impression and you talked about potentially getting the first impression rose and i you know i don't think that was sideways like i think you know i think viewers would have felt that also i think we had even said like oh yeah they seemed to have a good connection you know maybe he'll get the first impression rose so when you didn't get the first impression rose now that you didn't ha uh no but that you didn't get the first oppression rose. Were you shocked by that? Yeah, you know, definitely was shocked. I was looking around the guys and I respect everybody and there's a lot that other guys had to offer

to. Yeah. You know, I was definitely trying to make an impression. The piano came out. I messed up because there was a couple champagne glasses nearby. So I was just trying to, my best foot out there. And, you know, when I was at the bar talking to Nehemiah and radio was kind of like talking and if I'm getting ahead of myself, let me know but he was like kind of kissing and tell him that kind of threw me off

a little bit. And when he got the first impression, it was over me that makes sense. So I was definitely shocked due to the fact that I played piano and also he was just kissing Italian house. Not bouquet, but now watching it back, like did you watch that first episode back?

I did, yes. Do you does it make sense to you now? Are you still questioning that decision she made? You know what? It makes sense to me now. I've always respected Charity's decision, you know, whether they were confusing or not. Because I think they all made sense in the end.

I see now that, you know, he had a huge spark with her. Like, I mean, he went, you know, balls deep, so to speak, really just kind of made that everlasting mark of her. So I see why she gave it to him. And, you know, I respected us. well. But yeah, I definitely thought that my relationship, my piano skills were weren't good enough at that time. So I was kind of shocked. Well, the good thing is she's not taking a husband based on piano skills. So you're like, I'm still got something in the red in here. If it was

the piano, it's going to be okay. Thank God. Before we're going to get to this week's episode. But before we do, what was your relationship with Braden like up until this week's episode were you guys boys because he was on this podcast and they kind of insinuate that you guys wore close until something shocking happened and we obviously see that this week yeah brayden i we actually we actually sat next to each other in a limo so uh we were talking and up we were both from san Diego stuff was looking good you know and what to hang out after as well it it just kind of rubbing the wrong way like how things happens uh on night one with the kissing and telling you know saying I'm getting the first impression rolls, et cetera.

So, yeah, took me back a little bit, but he was still someone that was cold for sure. So a lot of it, it sounds like, came from more his relationship with charity and the way he was talking about it with you guys versus you and Braden just like not getting along in terms of like your personalities. Yeah, exactly.

Like, we're not two peas in the pod, but we can definitely gel. It's something that we found very early on with our relationship. But yeah, it was really just like, power your tree, charity, her role. Also, the connection I felt like I formed night wide, I was holding that kind of close to myself. And, you know, he was just kind of like throwing it out on the lawn. And it just rubbing the wrong way. Yeah. All right. We'll get more into that. So you get, you get the first one-on-one date of the season, right? Yeah. And that must have felt so good after, you know,

feeling like you were going to get that first in fresh row, was probably the disappointment of not getting it and then hearing your name on that very first one-on-one. Tell us about how that felt. And what do you think, what would you have rather gotten the first impression rows or the first one-on-one? Oh, yeah, that's a good question, too. Oh, one-on-one, 100%. Yeah.

You could take that first impression rolls any day, Braid. But I think you want like a billion person pressure rows. You could have them all. But, yeah, that one-on-one, I can't even tell you how important it was. It was just like, I mean, there was like the time where we were just like driving on the highway, things like that. Like, it was just a lot of stuff we were able to cover. Yeah, away from cameras too sometimes.

So, yeah, I felt very lucky. I did say that. Did you feel like, was that the first time you're like, oh, I feel kind of comfortable right now because I don't have three guys with mics on and cameras and a producer in my face? Yes. That was definitely first one I felt confident. Like, there were two goals.

There were GoPro, but it wasn't anything like little big your face. Yeah, you definitely seen. like you shell layer a little bit in the car like you had a little bit more of a relaxed demeanor which we can both relate to it's such a shock when you first have that first night and it's just nice to feel like you have a little bit of privacy even if there's a GoPro but how was that first date I mean driving up to the Hollywood sign it was beautiful outside it looked amazing yes um god just the way she picked me up I mean I was like I hate for the guys to see me go away but Honestly, Joe Serena, like that first day was just like truly magical.

Like everything that we were able to do, like on the Hollywood side, touched the Hollywood side and just like share a moment up there. And also just like being able to feel comfortable enough with each other to start this thing off together as well. Because there were still a lot of nerves going into that date. But the fact that we were able to be so comfortable in this beautiful setting, the Hollywood side, the LA theater at night, our names were on the barquee. Like, that was insane. Yeah.

And, yeah, that makes you feel good right away. So I'm very grateful. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills. And I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation,

like you're not going to choose an adapted strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like like go you go blank yourself right it's easy it's easy to just drink the extra beer it's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way avoidance is easier ignoring is easier denial is easier drinking is easier yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I'm looking at this thing. Listen to no such thing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Is Charity your type, or do you have a type? You know, I don't really have a type, Joe. I really go off vibes and also, like, I'm in the intellect. I like to talk more with someone that can, like, keep up in a conversation about, you know, just what makes you happy, what kind of drives you, just similarities and things like that, too. I feel that opens things up for me and allows me to be comfortable with someone.

Did you feel that right away with charity? I totally did feel that with charity. You know, made me feel comfortable night one. And that we started off with a banging. Yeah, you guys seem to have really good conversations. And we did see kind of open up about your past and your dating history. Were you guys able to connect on a deeper level with both of your past relationships at the night portion? Yes, we were.

We were able to do so. I mean, that's kind of what led the entire conversation. You know, we were both lucky to be there, comfortable with each other. But then, like, the past, there's always some trauma there. So we wanted to definitely uncover that. And, you know, she shared about her relationship, six years, infidelity. you know, I talked about my relationship four years in college and how I was just a friend that, yeah, we really connected there.

I wouldn't say trauma bonding. It was more of like a common ground. And, yeah, we were just able to listen to each other, create that safe space. Yeah, I understand what each other went through to an extent. All right, so let's jump to this week's episode. You get called on the group date, Barbie group date. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about what kind of Ken Dahl were you?

So I was the mermaid. Yes. Yes. And how did you land on that costume? You know what? I don't think I got it down right. I thought that we were all just going to, you know, pick some items and make your own kind of costume. I didn't really watch Barbie in the past, you know, obviously.

But, yeah, there were costumes lined up. And I was looking at Michael. He was like, where are you looking at? I was like, I want that crown and that dog. And we went over there, we sprinted when they said, yo. And I grabbed the crown of the dog, but everyone had like full outfits. And I was like, whoa, I guess I was supposed to grab an outfit. Look at the last outfit.

This mermaid can. It looks skin tight. And I'm going to lose circulation at some point today. That's so funny. No, I loved the Barbie date. I thought it was so entertaining. I thought you guys were such good sports about it. And it looked like you guys genuinely lean.

into it and had a really good time you said that when we were watching you're like this date is great it's just it just looked fun i don't know usually i'm not into like the gimmicky dress of a performance dates but like this one just did it for me how was it going from a 101 date to a group date yeah that's um you definitely have to switch gears a little bit i mean you got so many guys like try to make these small impressions with charity and you know trying to make their mark at some point, but at the same time, I would have done that date with anyone else. You know, I mean, I was literally hobbling from the hotel to the stage. And I think I was sore that day, too. And the guys are just so supportive, like, they helped me up a little bit too. But, yeah, it's,

I definitely wish I still had that one-on-one energy, you know, because you do have to switch it off and see other guys, you know, form these connections with charity. You know, some guys like kissed her on stage. And I was like, whoa, I thought, I was a lot. I thought, I was a lot of the only one. You know, obviously that's all I could think of and I don't see it, but yeah, it was definitely weird. So once you see it, like you kind of see that for the first time now, do you feel yourself getting worried, losing a little bit of confidence? Yeah, so when you see someone else, you know, smooth your woman, I mean, you definitely don't want to see it, but I think my confidence was still there, like those special moments that one-on-one were social.

to the point where like I just put those up every time I felt a certain way it was like okay like she's making out with this guy but you know she told me this at night you know we have special moments private concert like that's what I'm thinking about and that was the biggest challenge up to this point for sure but yeah those special moments definitely kept me it did anything like roll over into that into that group date like any like did you get some like eye contact or anything that made you feel like I'm still the guy? Yeah, definitely got some eye contact from charity. And I know after my mermaid Ken Al-Fibon, I mean, how could she look away?

Your roommate cut? And she was like, it's giving Avenger, something like that. And then she called me up and, yeah, just planted one on her right away. I had to kiss her. It's been a while, so I've seen her. Yeah, that's always a nice moment. So we saw on the group date, Sean pulled her for a kiss in front of you guys. guys and they got a little extra time and then came in pretty hot on the night portion can you

give us a little inside scoop on to how that made the group feel and you know Sean's energy with it all and it is unfair to you guys because Sean is cat and like he is he looks like he's straight out of the barbecue he's cat yeah yeah he was literally like pulled out of a plastic container with a bar like he was double denim cat and he threw his shirt off the stage and he went to go you know, kiss charity on the Oceanside Pier, which was great.

So we're all like sitting there waiting kind of for the night portion for the group date to happen and we're all talking about how solemn everything is.

Wow, like Sean's still gone. We haven't seen him. The day was awesome, but man, it's sucked that we all shoot charity. And then all of a sudden, like he comes in, he's still in singing mode

and he's walking in with a tune. Sounded like something like from the 1920s. And we're all just like, like what the hell like what like read their own buddy you know we're all you know kind of in our in our fields and sad but he's like what's up dudes what's going on I'm just like oh my gosh he just not going out of this alive so yeah he definitely walked into a shark thing

okay so then he pulls the first move on the spot when charity comes in now we were kind of we were back and forth a little bit like is it the classiest move no but it's you're still competing for a woman so he did make the first move again how did you feel about that and like do you kind of like like maybe fault yourself for not making that move before him you know i don't fault shot for doing it i definitely was definitely rub me the wrong way at the time uh but yeah all his fear of love and war i mean you know this is not a competition you're trying to fight for you know charity's heart and you know if he felt like Like he missed something on the pier and he needs to tell her right away.

You know, I get it. But at the same time, like, I want to talk to her. It's been a so long as I've talked to her. Like, you're on my radar if you can't, you know, figure this out. Your time was as intentional as it needs to be and it spills over into the group day. Like, that's, I have a problem. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Like, you had your time. And if you feel like you weren't intentional enough with it, that you need more time immediately. then why should I have to pay for that? Were there guys that were really affected on the group date? You know, I know you said, I don't fault him for it, but I got my time and I was intentional with that.

Were there guys that were completely panicking and were really upset with Sean? Oh, yeah. We called Sean Apricabi and Fitch with James Pierce, and that split happened that night when he came in singing that tune after the group date and stole charity from the third. couch. So James definitely felt a certain way. I can't remember who else felt a certain way,

but I just know that Abercrombie officials split up. Like that really threw me for a loop because I was like, oh my gosh, like these guys would be like, you know, sweating. But they're not getting their time. They might not be going home. So yeah, James for sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's always hard when you feel like you're not getting enough time and someone's getting extra. All right. So let's jump to the drama that you are now smack dab right in the middle of it. So you make the decision, sorry, you make the decision to pull charity aside and call out Braden. Let's just kind of talk through that, what you were thinking. Do you regret it? Yeah, take us back to Warwick's on the one-on-one and you're hearing Braden talking.

about his relationship with charity, kind of recapping what he said, how you guys took that, and what kind of compelled you then bring it to charity for us? Yeah. You know, Braden, I feel like everything kind of compounded for him from night one to this point with his, I guess just his quarrels about the process. And again, be having that one-on-one charity and have no special moments, I have a strong connection with her. and to hear someone else say that they're not sure about this process and you know she's has some character flaws and there's things like that it's like you're hurting someone that update right so i felt very i felt i felt i took that personal and i also wanted to feel like i was her protector in a way because nehemi was our night one and that's someone that's important to her but now all of a sudden she's on an island by herself and she can't talk to me so yeah i definitely took note of what brayden was saying around her and she's

the house especially up as one-on-one it's like you have a rose in your chest you know what are you not sure about that's kind of where it was and you got james pierce when shod comes in and interrupts the group date and james pierce says they get us time so it's like those things kept adding up and i was just like okay like someone has the guaranteed rose someone's not getting to die this is not so it's like hey like there's other guys that want to be here and would love time and there's guys that have time and does has no idea what's going on when you say brayden um was talking about charity's character flaws are you referring to when he was kind of you know bitching about her making out with joey for x amount of time is that is that what we're talking about or is there more that we didn't see

yeah i mean i'm not going to air it all out but there was definitely more around the house like you know i feel like what was aired was a pretty accurate depiction of what was going to through his head. But yeah, you know, we were on that couch after the kissing date. You know, there's a few guys arguing, but they definitely braided and Adrian. It was just about like, you know, wow, I can't, I can't believe she did that. It's like she had no idea of this date. Plus, this is her journey. This is what you signed up for. You got to link in. She said that multiple times too. You got to lay into the process. It's like, just do it. You know, just lean in and you'll find that. You know, you won't spiral as much of your stop thinking about

what's going to happen weeks down the line i mean just think about what she's doing what she's up to the fact that she's a bachelor's at and she's trying to find her husband and also have a good time while doing it so just yeah they'll cause profit okay so you're so now you you're sitting with charity you bring it to her attention um how are you feeling in that moment because that I mean, you're all, you're, you're taking a risk here. Like, you're, you're calling this guy out. It also, you know, it could screw up your potential relationship with her at the time. So, like, what's going through your mind when all this is going down?

Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, I feel like there was so much going through my head there. It's been a while since I've seen charity number one. So I was really just trying, like, you know, keep the romance alive and also, you know, our chemistry as well. But at the same time, to the back of my head, I was like, I have an objective. I need to come forward with something because I want to put my words into actions as her protect. And it was just like, it was conflicting at first, but once I sat down and I was talking to her and I realized that she was tired, like she has to talk with guys, forgetting names, et cetera. It's like, okay, like, you're trying so hard to do all this.

And then you got someone that's kind of like ridiculed. So it was easy at that point once we had our first portion of our talk to just say, okay, hey, look, you're such an incredible woman. This guy is screwing you in the background, basically, something that you can't see. And I'm noticing this stuff around the house and I just want you to know. You can make your own decision. But, yeah, I'll leave you with that. But then hearing that he was kind of like, so, you know, obviously I'm not there.

So I don't know what he's saying. but as if you are watching it it's not like he's hiding much from charity like we're kind of watching him be pretty open with the fact that he may not be ready for an engagement so do you like I guess what I'm saying like do you think

watching it back and seeing how open he was with charity that maybe she knew that or do you feel like you were hearing a lot more behind the scenes that you were like no you're not hearing the whole story yeah you know watching it back like the power of high inside is crazy right but watching it back i realized from what was shown that what he was telling us was not matching to charity at all like

he was talking he was very open with charity he was saying you know his concerns about the process but you know in the background he was talking more about uh you know packing his bags and how this is not going to work like how you know it's like her dating 20 of my friends like And I was on a balcony one day and he was just like, I don't know it's going to work. And I'm like, I just got back from my one-on-one. What? So, yeah, there was definitely some red flags in my head kind of came up

and I wanted to let her know, A-Sah. Yeah, you're like, it might not work for you, dude, but I had a really good day, so I don't know what you're talking about. Well, like, I'm the one person you shouldn't tell. Oh, that's how I felt. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential.

I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like, you're not going to choose an adapted strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it, if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like, go you go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer.

It's easy to ignore, to suppress, seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just, like, walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving. Meditating.

You know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network, beat. Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro, all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact, but the Myceles Brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy, are building an alternative to that. On the latest episode of Next Question with Katie Couric, I sat down with the brothers behind the Midas Touch Network to talk about how they built a progressive media powerhouse from the ground up, why audience interaction is the key to pull. political influence and what it takes to fight disinformation at scale, one download at a time. We should be focusing on the issues that actually occupy a lot of the mental space in

Americans' minds but are filled with conspiracies, and we should fill it with the truth and solutions. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers. The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this, do this, pull that, turn this. It's just, I can do it in my eyes close. I'm Manny. I'm Noah. This is Devon.

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Did you have the... Like, did you have that conversation with him? Yes. Yes. We had a quick conversation on the balcony. And I was like, hey, dude, like, just lock it. Literally just lock it. That's what you have to do.

And, yeah, from there, I really didn't see them as much with the dates and all that. But it was just not getting better at all. And, like, it was just kind of becoming something in the house with other, you know, contestants. And I was like, okay, this is actually becoming an issue. That's what's interesting to me, too, is because it started off on. Rocky Waters and it just felt like it kept kind of snowballing down the hill versus him getting called out and maybe like pulling back i feel like he never put up that filter that guard with you guys if anything he just became more open which was kind of biting him in the ass yeah you know

like brayden he wears his heart of his sleep he's got you know he's very he's emotionally intelligent but it's like you know how can you control it here in this unconventional process because, you know, it's going to get the best if you let it. You have to, like you said, both the filters are right off. And, yeah, just think about why you're really here and also journaling helps. I mean, there's just other ways to have an outlet rather than, like, tell the guys your exact thoughts, the exact time, you know, because you haven't even processed those thoughts. It looks like, you know. Do you think that Braden should have gone home?

Do you think he should not have been there in terms of his readiness to get engaged, his willingness to lean into the process. Yeah, you know, Braden, I think he was looking for love, but I don't think this was the right, you know, kind of environment for that.

So I should, like, he should, I, oh, well, probably not. Yeah.

Yeah, that's okay. Yeah. And then, so after you have, um, that talk with charity, you kind of go back.

Um, and then she, you know, we see the whole pause and, and we're delaying the cocktail party or going to go straight into the roast. ceremony, yada, yada, yada. You start getting a lot of slack from the guys that are there.

At least that's what we see. Were you shocked by that? Like, we'll take us through that. Yeah. That was very interesting. I mean, that was like, yeah, that was a, that was a huge thing for me, actually. Like, I kind of went back into my shell, but, you know, after I talked to charity, I went by two-braided and I told them what happened and then that you know didn't go well so I went right to the guys and told them what happened too I was like I'm just going to take this head on and you know whatever happens whatever slack them to try to take it but it was a lot hard and I thought yeah I told a group of I think like seven guys what happened I was called a snake of you and I was like okay like what pact was there you know what's going on like are we not on the same page are we dating each other or we didn't chair

or trying to date, you know, like very charred. So, yeah, definitely confused. That was definitely like my first low point in this journey. But I stick by my decision that I just thought to be more by it. But it's something about what they think, you know, it's about what I thought was right. I mean, listen, you're there, you're there to get the girl and you get, you know, you got to do. And if that is how you act in a relationship and that is your protection. of nature coming out, you want to show all sides of yourself. So, you know, if that's naturally who

you are, then that's who you should be, right? No matter the unusual circumstances. I do want to ask you, Braden was very vocal on the show. And I don't know if you saw this and heard this while you were in the house or if it was your first time when you watched it back about how he felt like your actions were out of spite, jealousy, insecurity of his connection with charity and the fact that he had arose on his chest. Kind of what would your response to that be? Yeah, I mean, he's right to say what he did, but there was no jealousy involved. Like, I don't care about his relationship with charity. I just know that he's hurting her behind her back, and she has no idea. It's like, there's no, there's nothing involved where

I thought I needed to advance my position over have, or I felt like my connection with charity was strong enough to say, hey, like, you know, this guy is behind the scenes doing this. And I mean, there was just no jealousy involved. Yeah. Okay. Were there? So going back to like that being a low point and the guys giving you a lot of slack, were there any guys that were on the same page with you?

And then when you did that, they were like, well, you shouldn't have did that. I don't know. Yeah. I think Shaw took me for a drink. You took me for a drink. Aaron S. He laid down the facts. He laid down the law. He made me feel comfortable. And yeah, he definitely brought me down. Draw me back to a good place immediately. And then you have Adrian. Adrian and Braden have been feuding. So he had my back, of course. I think he came up the elevator and heard what happened. And he was like, yo, man, I get it. So I'm like, okay, cool. Adrian is my guy. Aaron S is my guy. And shot. odds like so yeah you can kind of see uh what happens up the end there i lose about 66% of those guys and are you in your head at that point like fuck now moving forward i got to live with these

guys are going to travel with these guys and you know i'm public enemy number one yeah you know i was trying so hard to just be like hey these guys are not here put the horse blinders up Kentucky Derby style like there was no there was no thinking about how this will accept my journey but at the same time it's like you know we got to eat together we got to travel just like you said yeah and yeah it was definitely awkward for sure yeah as much as people want to say like oh we're not here to make friends like as you know you have to live with these people 24-7 so like it makes the journey a lot easier if you can be on good terms with everyone so I can totally understand how that would feel like a low point for you yeah that I mean honestly like to be

completely honest, if I were in your situation, that would have been one of the reasons why I wouldn't have done it because I'd have been like, now I'm not going to deal with all the nonsense that comes with it. And yeah, like, I get why you did it. I, you know, as a viewer, I look at you of somebody who's in a good position with her. So I'm like, why even do it? But after talking to you, I get, you know, I get it. If you can spoil the season without spoiling it, tease it a little bit for us, the rest of what we're going to see. What do you got for me? Hey, that's a good one.

Without spoiling it. I'll give a little teaser about that. I will say that, yeah, I will say that it takes a while for great to come to a solution about that. That's a good teaser. It's good. Can I ask one more question before we get into the game? Yeah, we're going to get into a game.

And then we have a fun rapid fire game. for you. So just to close this out really quick. Charity made a comment of like, I can take this rose back from Braden and send him home anytime I want, which I love that comment. Was that your hope? Did you have a hope for the outcome? Because obviously we see he keeps the rose and he moves on to the next week. What was kind of, do you have a prediction of what you thought she might do of what you were hoping she would do, how this night would end? I mean, Serena, like that question is literally a hot button because I saw him come back with the first impression rose. when I thought he should have gone.

And all of a sudden, he comes back with this group day roles, and I actually know it was the one-on-one roads. And I was like, dude, this guy doesn't miss. Like, he literally dodged two eliminations outside of the row ceremony. Why is he still here? Why is he ever rose on his chest?

Yeah, I was hoping that she was talking about clipping his show. But he killed right. He came back. He's got nine lives. He literally a cat. Let me All right

We're going to play a little lot We're going to play a quick game Rapid Fire First thing that comes to your head There's no wrong answers This is just for fun Yep There's not anything like

Stress will come in your way All right You want to go Sure I will do it All right Are you ready Aaron Alisto yes

Okay What is the first thing That you do when you wake up in the morning Smile No way. No way. You don't wake up and smile every morning. I can show you my alarm. It says smile, drink water. I wait myself. But yeah, I definitely smile first, the second I wake up. You do it intentionally for like your brain? Intentionally. It's a door smile. It's a horse smile. It helps for the rest of the day.

Yes. I believe that. I've heard that actually. I like it. I try to do the the Uberman, you know, sunlight in my eyes the first, you know, 15 minutes awake. I'm going to wake up a rollover. Joe's going to be, like, smiling in my face every morning now. Dr. Huber. How do you like your pizza? Oh, I love my pizza, pineapples, and pepperoni, but I loved me some burrata. Okay. We've had three guys on this podcast for your season, and you were the third one to say pineapple.

Well, we have two San Diego guys and a Hawaiian guy. Yeah. So it all adds up. It adds up. Farada, though. That's a good one. Best dating advice you ever received. Love yourself first.

Yeah, for sure. What is your go-to cocktail? Nogroni. Ooh, like a Nogroni, too. Nogroney. Nice. I love that. Who is one person living or not that you would like to have dinner with?

Ooh, I would love to. have dinner with Notorious Biagi Oh interesting Wait can you briefly expand on that answer That's very specific Yeah because I mean honestly Like he's one of the pioneers

At pop like him and two pop ran like the East Coast West Coast back in the day so You know hearing how he came up And I also saw the notorious BIG movie just like the hardships I love to see people overcome hardships And his story is so compelling to me this from going from the bottom to the top

and then also having enough haters to cap you at some point in the early death and that really tugged about heartstrings so yeah I want to know how his life was before or in that period you know yeah nice motivation do you want to jump on the last few sure

what is one word or phrase that your friends used to describe you loyal not braided Do you have any bad habits? Yes, I do. And I do this thing with my eye where I like press it. And I love to hear it click and I like to feel it click.

It's like a sensory thing for me. But I've noticed lately that that bad habit has caught got my eye like twitches now. That just this eye. So I need to stop pressing it in. I've seen you do that multiple times in the podcast. I've actually noticed. It's so satisfying. It's like, oh, like I do that and I get the pop, but I feel it.

But I definitely need to stop that. That's childish. Yeah, yeah, stop. Childish. Stop, stop doing that to yourself. Like, I actually, I'll try to, like, I'll try to. I'm like a finger crack my back through my chest. Like this?

I need to stop doing that. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, we all need to stop beating each, beating ourselves up. All right. There we go. What is your go-to karaoke song? Ooh.

I did Superstar on a cruise ship when I was 15 by Lou Bay Fiasco You are what you say You are I did that song But I would probably say Rolling in a D by Adele Oh wow

That's a big song You're singing rolling in the deep By karaoke The New Orleans bounce remixed There you go All right Talking to the right guy Joe loves Adela

He's a huge A huge adult fan. Yes. What is your, and notorious BIG, what is your current screen saver photo on your phone? Oh, welcome my phone. I went to, uh, I went to Mexico City with my friends for my birthday. And here it is. It's like, you know those boats you can take out.

Yeah, yeah, nice. We really want to go to Mexico City. That's one part of Mexico I've never been. I really want to go. Yeah, it looks amazing. It's nice. I could probably live there for like two months at least. Oh. All right. Last question. If you could visit anywhere in the world, where would you go?

Man. I would love to do like the caves of actually, you know what? I would love to go to, so I just did it 23 and me. I would love to go to God, which one was it? Wow. Was it Cote d'Ivoir? Or was it a gada? I think I'm, yeah, it was definitely gada. I want to visit got nice like 34% yeah I want to do 23 me I'm just good yeah I don't know my brother did my I think he did the ancestry one um and I think I might be Jewish but I don't know I have to I have to I have to do it myself all right um Aaron honestly thank you so much we appreciate your time and dealing with a little bit of rain that we had here and um to our listeners we love you guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. And do not forget new episodes of The Bachelorette

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