Bachelor Happy Hour - Advice and Updates with Joan & Chock! | Golden Hour

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

Today on “Golden Hour,” we’re with Golden couple Joan and Chock! We kick off the episode with a girl chat between Kathy, Susan, and Joan. Joan shares all the updates about her and Chock, including what’s next for her! Then, we bring Chock in and the four Goldens dish out some great advice to our listeners. They dive into a question from one of our listeners about grief and we get some incredible insight. If you’re struggling with grief, this is definitely the episode for you — we’re all here for you! Tune in now to hear all this and so much more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime Podcasts and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for it. Between Jerry out here, Mandarin all over the place, hop-out boys snatching up family members

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of them are in fear of their political lives. We continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents and there's life after Congress. Make sure to listen to this episode of Politics on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back, everybody, to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour. Thanks so much for joining us again. Kathy and I are always excited to be back. We are so excited today. Our latest episode, you have to check it out. We have been having so much fun answering all your questions, chatting with Bachelor Nation favorites. We're just having a blast. How are you doing Susan today? I'm doing great. How about you? Actually, it's like chilly here. I can't even believe it. It's June.

You know what? This is why you don't live in the Mid-Atlantic or the Northeast because summer doesn't exist. It just happens a day or two and that's it. I'm really excited about today's guest, though. Finally, we have two very special guests. One is with us right now and we're waiting on the other one to join us shortly. And it is, let's welcome our golden couple, our very dear friend, Joan, and Chuck will be here shortly. How are you, Joan? I can't believe we finally have to do this. This took what, like 10 months, I think. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. We have so much we want to talk about with you, but first of all, let's, well, we're going to ask, even though Chuck's not here, how are you two doing? Tell us the scoop because Chalk can't hear us. Because he'll never hear what I'm saying. We are great. We were just in New York City together on next week. We're going to the beach for two weeks together with my entire family and then his kids are joining us about halfway through the vacation. Things are great. It's just.

Good. What beach do you go to? What's that? What beach do you go to? Where are you taking them? Ocean City, Maryland. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's easy. It's only a couple, you know, if you're coming here. Yeah. So, wait, are you guys still talking about moving to New York or not? Or not moving, but having a place in New York? Yeah, in fact, we got re-energized when we were there. We were there last week with my mom and my aunt, who are 93 and 83. I saw that.

Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. We had a great time. But we both got really re-energized. we kind of stopped looking a little bit just because life got really busy and we didn't really want to get a place up there that we weren't going to spend much time in because obviously it's expensive and it's a bit of a trip for him it's easy for me i can take a train up there but he is hop on a plane to get there and so we really wanted to make sure we would like had the time to really

spend and then you know be there um and that seemed to not really be happening like we came up the show and we thought we would have all this time like we would come up the show we would just it was going to be easy yeah we wouldn't have anything else to do and we were so lucky we got so many other opportunities we've been a lot of things with you guys obviously so we got really lucky and but it did first of all make it hard for us to even look for a place because if you're not in new york city when you're looking for a place in new york city you miss out on them they're available for a day or two and then they're gone and we just never were able to invest like a chunk of time just to go up and hang out and be there if things became available so we

think after like the summer things will get easier and we'll we'll have that time so yeah but their heart's still there you still want to get a place in fact even more after we now spent more time there we get more and more comfortable you know it's a little bit of an intimidating city and now both of us feel pretty comfortable there and we're less um focused on one's particular area which we were in the beginning more open yeah we're liking other places a little more we feel more in other places So it's going to be easier, and we're going to have more time, like, in September-ish. I love it. I love it.

So wait. No, no, no. Wait. It's, oh, September, because you are coming to visit me. Finally, we've got that on the schedule, too. Joan and Nancy and Susan, we're all going to, we're going to descend on Austin and we're going to, I'm going to, Susan's going to cook. Once. But I'm serious.

It's so excited you guys are coming. It's going to be so fine. I so appreciate that invitation. I've never been to Austin. Plus, I would go to, like, Albuquerque here. I would go to some Iowa or whatever with you guys just to be with you all. Because we have fun wherever we go, but I'm really excited about going. You're going to love, have you been to Texas?

One time, my son played in a football game there, so I went to. Because I lived in Dallas, right outside of Dallas in Arlington for nine years. I know Texas. Never went to Austin. When I went to Kathy's house, I was like, this is Texas. Joan, it's like here. Windy roads, trees, a lake, like, really? It's well, because I live in the hills, yeah.

But everybody talks about Austin, like it's a really young community now, and it's beautiful. It's like the place to be in. Yes, yes. It is. And I have a good friend who has a fancy boat that's going to take us all out on the lake. I'm going to show you Millionaire's row out in the lake. We're going to have a blast. John will be looking for a place at Austin now.

I'll be like, no, I'm going to be looking for men for Kathy and Nancy on a millionaire. Yes, that's right. That's right. Excuse me, you're making an assumption here, John. I am. Do you have somebody? We can't tell us. I don't ever tell.

Joan, it's so weird because you look and you see all the girls, you know, like from the show. You're like, oh, my God, oh, my God. I know. I saw April, Natasha. Yeah. I can't wait. You get like such a like a full circle kind of thing. You know, that got to now be part.

of like another bachelor franchise yeah i was seeing your men from your show like just looking at it was really cool and i might be like knew everybody there yeah you had so there are some cool i'm just gonna say there might have been some fun going on with some of those guys from your show john i'm doubt they were fun guys i can't my lips are sealed though i'm zipping it i kathy zipping her own life i'm speaking of speaking of relationships you know i'm going to ask you joan any wedding updates on you guys you got you know i got to ask getting married um this summer. So, like, I'm focusing on that. And honestly, like, you know, I just don't feel like planning a wedding right now. We are in a good place. We don't need to have, like, a wedding certificate

to say that we are in a good place. Right, right, right, right. And you know what? There's also, like, a little part of my brain that says, if we get married, then we have to make more of an effort to live in the same place. And we're not ready to do that yet. He has a business that is, like, still needs his attention. And, or he can sell it. And, like, the end goals. to sell it. But right now it needs his attention. So I would, you have time. You have plenty of time. I don't have a biological clock. I'm not having any babies. Yes, right. Exactly. This is the best part. Yeah. I want me to make a wedding. I mean, one day I'll have a wedding. If and when you do, do you want it to be big or an intimate small? Yeah, I think intimate small. I've done

big wedding. I've done my kids big weddings. Like I've had big weddings in my life right now that like I could have, you know, I could elope at this point. Yeah. I was going to say, At our age, honestly, I'm not even sure that wedding is a thing. You don't even have to. No. I really don't have to. You know what, can I tell you, Joan, I want to tell you, and you need to be honest. Now, it's truth.

No one's listening but us. Let's be honest. Well, you better hope that's not true. Let's be honest why you don't have time to plan a wedding. Do you want me to tell you why? Because she's planning her sons, too. No, that's not it. What?

Joe knows because Joan spends every spare minute cooking recipes and putting them on Instagram and TikTok. And can I just tell you if I cooked Joan, which is a big stretch, but if I did, your recipes, like I want to bookmark them and save them because they are, they're easy. Like they're not hard to make and they look delicious. I don't do hard stuff. If I had to cook hard stuff, I just wouldn't cook either. Right. So you like the compliment, right, about all the cooking you do?

Thank you very much for saying that. Yeah. When you come in October, bring those recipes. We just have to give her a list of the ingredients that we'll need. Joe and I've talked, I'm going to, I am going to do, I just haven't had a chance yet. I am going to be doing a spoof, something everyone can look forward to. Oh, it's going to be so funny. Yeah, I'm going to do a spoof. We have it all planned. I just haven't had the time to do it yet because I've been taking care of grandchildren and sick friends.

Jen, you and I'll get together and talk and decide what it is we're making. I know because you know what I just, I've been watching the, I've been watching Got to Get Out finally. I've been watching you. That's so funny. But I saw you cooking chicken pukata. I'm like, oh, I kind of cook your chicken paccata right now. Can we make that at least?

Oh, no. Susan said she'll cook one meal when you guys are here. And I said just send me the grocery list because I can accept like, what is that broccoli you were just talking about, Susan? Broccoli, Rob. Do you know what that is, Joan? I do, and I don't love broccoli rob. Unless it's made perfectly.

Yes. Wait, I've never heard of it. She just said she had broccoli rock. I thought you robbed what? I've never heard of it. But, you know. She's a criminal. She had veal and broccoli robbed for lunch and I had peanut butter crackers.

That's about right. I have cookies. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him

because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you're giving credit for.

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and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was overwhelming.

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But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So, all right, so tell us, we want to know what, tell us how you're different. Seriously, your experience is so different than what we.

you've experienced right um obviously you are the lead um you know all of it how are you different tell us what's it like navigating after the show yeah how it's got to be different your life has to be different and getting from a to be yeah so i think like the big different well first of all i was only on the other show for three episodes so i didn't get as rich of an experience as you guys really did because you were there but lasted pretty long um so like i almost started a little on the Like, it was a little newer to me to be in that environment for a long time. And, you know, and, I mean, one thing that we probably all know as you are there, the longer you're there, the more comfortable you get and the more animated you get

and the more your personality comes out. And I think about, like, that was probably the biggest change for me. Like, I kind of got to be myself after a little while. I got, like, became very comfortable, like, with all the cameras and with all the people and navigating it. But I have to tell you, it's a whole lot more work. the hours you work I remember thinking

Gary gets to go home at night and like hang out in his hotel room and doesn't have cameras around him when we're all getting to you are working you are working the entire time you're doing B-roll all the time you're doing these things called pickups

I used to think he was at his hotel in that interview room all the time while everybody is doing their stuff in the house you're in that little interview room and nobody knows you're there so you are it's work it's work

And it's also emotionally more draining because you don't have anybody to talk to. You don't have your family to talk to, which obviously when you're a contestant, you also don't have your family to talk to you, but you have each other. And you have other people around you. Maybe some camera person that you've become, you know, friendly with or you have other producers. I had only my producer and my handler. And there's a thing. Yeah.

I would have talked to Carrie. Yeah, Carrie's up. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and Gina. So, you know, I mean, listen, Carrie and Gina, who, for those of you who don't know, Carrie is the stylist for, and he is a miracle man. He's fabulous, and so is Gina. Yes, yes, they both are.

But even more than like how great he does his job, he was like my psychiatrist. Yeah, that's what I mean, yes. Because, you know, he's like one of the few people. So, you know, we know we have producers and producers they're making a show. We'll have to acknowledge it. You know, this is, it's like a kind of a parallel thing. They are making a show while you're trying to find love and you hope it all ends up at the same. Right.

But you do have to know that the producers are producing you a little bit. You know, they're not doing it in a way that they're trying to make a good show as well as for you. And they do it very well, and they did it perfectly for me. I can't complain about anything. My season, I felt like they had my best interest in mind. Right. But to have like a unbiased person, listen to how you're feeling that isn't trying to produce you. It's not like calling us on the phone and saying, guys, I'm feeling this, this, and this.

What do you think? Yeah. So, yeah, but here's the thing, Joan, you were working full time prior to going to being the Golden Bachelorette. And then you did that. And now your life, that's kind of what I was getting at is how different. I mean, not only you engaged and, you know, found your guy, but your life, and how do you navigate that? I know you're planning your son's wedding and you have children, like. Yeah.

So, so I came off the show and I left Tahiti on a Friday and I went to work Monday morning. Like, I was ready to just go back into my regular life. Yeah. I found out how much press I needed to do. Normally you do about two weeks of press. You do a week in New York and a week in L.A. I had like five weeks of press. so I went and told my boss

what my press schedule was going to be and he said you can't work here anymore he's like you have to be gone too much we need somebody here working and doing your job especially since I worked at a school and it was fall was hitting and it was September and he's like you know like I need you here

and so I lost my job so I kind of had to replace like all those hours that I spent doing a job because I like to work I don't want to be I'm not like a person that's going to go play pickleball for eight hours Do you still want to work? She still is working.

No, no, no, I'm saying, but not, you're not doing the full-time, you know, nine to five deal. No, I think I'd like to do something different now. Like sitting at a desk at a school, you know, talking to alumni or whatever or planning events was fun at the time. But I feel like I've gotten a taste of a different world now. Yeah. I am intrigued by. And, you know, I would love it if something unfolded in, you know, this Bachelor arena or maybe as a, you know, a podcast or something different. But, you know,

I'm still- Would you want to do it with Chalk or by yourself? I would do it with Chalk, certainly. But I do like us to have kind of our separate things still also. Yeah. To be honest, like, you know, one day we're going to be spending 24-hour days, seven days a way together. And I still like having, like, my things and I like him having his things. And you miss him when he's not there. Isn't that a good thing? You know, you get excited about Yeah, but don't you think it's, I mean, both of you have, and you don't, you're not with your guys 24-7. Right. And I mean, how do you feel about that?

I know Susan likes it. How do you feel, John? I feel the same way as Susan. I don't think I need to be with somebody 24 hours. So like, let's like say when we're younger, you're raising kids. You're starting a whole different world. You want to have dinner with your family together. So everybody needs to be together.

Right. This is a very different life, you know, that we're leading now. And it's surprisingly nice, like when I want to go and spend an evening with my grandkids or with my kids or with some friends, I don't feel guilty leaving my own home and going to my kids or doing whatever, doing the things that are making me happy. I don't feel like, oh, gosh, I'm leaving them home alone like I used to go with my husband. So this is nice. The freedom, we kind of get the best of both worlds. You see each other. You're really excited when you see each other.

Miss them. And then when you go home, you have a freedom to do what you want to do without guilt. Yeah, I agree. So we're so glad, Chalk, you're able to join us. Let's move into our advice portion of the episode. We're going to kick things off for the question of the day, and we'd love your thought. So go ahead, Susan. Give us a question of the day.

Okay. What is something that you loved about being in your golden error? what's something you think young people can look forward to when it comes to aging? Not letting the little stuff bother you. Amen. You've had experience, you know, it's just so much of its little stuff. You just got to go with the flow and just keep smiling. That's right.

That's right. What about you, Joan? I love that. What about you, Joan? I think feeling comfortable in your own skin, and that took me a really long time. It took me to probably I was in my golden years, probably until I was 60, to, really feel just comfortable with who I am and, you know, where my life is. Being okay with you. Right. I think, do you think young people don't feel that way? Is that

something they can look forward to? I think so. I think it's hard. I think when you're younger, you accept all the judgment from people. And when you get older, you stop accepting what they think about you. You just have to be good with yourself. So it was hard for me. I don't know. Maybe you guys we had more self-confidence or no it wasn't until way later in life that i felt that way you're right yeah took me a long time i i would just add i agree with what both of you said but i also would say that as you get into your golden years that you realize without sounding you know macabre time is of the essence like we don't have you can't say i'll do that 20 years from now you know um we're looking at the clock saying now's the time so take you know seize the moment i hate that

expression but right it's true you don't sweat the small stuff anymore yeah you know what i mean like you have your health right now and you don't know what's coming down the pike you may live for a bunch of years but you may not be healthy enough to do things so right in the moment but i just think when you're when kids like we both we all have young kids you know in their 20s and 30s and our kids say things oh you know we'll do that you know we don't have time now we'll do it in the future where I think at our age, uh-uh, we do it now because we don't know. There's nothing guaranteed. Yeah, you're right.

My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her. Gone. Now hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally

inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right. Well, That's West. Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts.

You already know our get-down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for. Feds taking over American cities. Government hop-out boys, hopping out the van, snatching up your theo in them, two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours. Jerry just out here mandering all over the place.

The turfs. And of course, the Epstein of it all. Well, this week we decided to shoot our shot, and boy, did we pull up from the logo. to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from this politics podcast to keep it a whole century.

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that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything.

Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jamil Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics. And on the latest episode of politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress.

And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your. your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years, but their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Now we have one from our fans, okay? And we like to share some advice with them, whatever you think you want to say.

Are you willing? Let's do it. Okay. Hi, Kathy Susan. My dad's wife passed away unexpectedly about two months ago. They were married for 13 years. He is, as you can imagine, just broken. Kathy, I know you have mentioned that you lost your husband.

Do you have any advice I can give to him to help him get through this difficult time? When will it get easier and when did it get easier for you, Kathy? Okay. Well, first of all, I don't know who sent this question in, but first and foremost, let me just say, I'm so sorry that your dad's wife passed away. I'm sorry for him and I'm sorry for you. unexpected death is never easy um so i can imagine how broken your dad is um i would say the biggest piece of advice i could give to your dad is take time there's no timeline here grief will come and go in his life um it'll it'll rear its ugly head when you least expect it um don't listen to other people when they say, you know, it's been six months or two months or a year, live day to day,

get through each day, that's enough. Let him have, tell him to have grace for himself. Give himself grace because you, it's going to be a struggle for a while. I would like to say it's easy, but it isn't. And so give himself the gift of time and grace. And he doesn't have. to meet a timeline. When will it get easier? It'll get easier when it gets easier. There'll be tough days. There'll be easier days. I remember when my husband first died, I asked the therapist, my grief therapist, will there ever be a day when I don't cry? And she said yes, but not today. And so that's, you know, that's what I would say to your dad. It gets easier. Time never heals. It just, you learn to live with the grief and walk through it and open your heart again to other

opportunities. I still miss him every day. I think about him. But I'm also grateful for my life and the opportunities. And, John, I want to throw it to you because your husband died. So what would you add to that? Yeah, I think the smartest thing you said there was give yourself grace. And I think that, like, asking people for advice is actually.

kind of difficult because everybody does it differently. Anybody I've ever talked to, you and I have talked about it, Kathy, and anybody I've talked to, like I say, how did you do it, what did you do, and or how did you feel, and we all feel it differently. And so I would have, you know, really, really bad days where I just couldn't get out of bed and I would just be, everybody's sleep, me alone. I just need this day to feel the feels. And then something I'd be like, I can't do all the feels today.

It's too hard. And I put it on a back burner. but you have to give yourself grace to feel the feels or to have a good day and there's no right or wrong there's no right or wrong and that it's it's not a quick journey it's probably a journey that you're going to have to go through your entire life i have i still have bad days sometimes father's day i went and visited my late husband and my dad who died in the same year like those both those grease feel differently but they still like take my breath away a little bit when when i feel about it like when i think about them sometimes. Sometimes I think about them and I have total joy. Like I had the greatest

husband. I had the greatest dad and, you know, the people I've lost in my life, I feel lucky that they were in my life. But sometimes I think like, boy, this really sucks not having him here. And I still that and it's been, you know, a bunch of years. Yeah. Kathy, you made a statement that time does not heal. And I've always thought that time helps. I mean, more time goes by than like Joan just said, you start remembering the positive instead of dwelling on the sadness. And I think that's what time would do for you. You don't feel that way. Oh, time, I don't equate the passage of time with healing.

I equate time with other, with my heart, you know, opening up new for new opportunities. But as Joan just said, there are still days where, you know, it's just really hard. So I don't think, I don't know, Joan, maybe you agree. And Chuck, you also lost. You lost Kathy. And so you know what it's like, too. And what can you add to this conversation? Because it's tough.

You have pre and post. The post is what we all talk about and what we deal with. And it's, as you have said, it's just each individually, my coming up on the one year of my mother, July 3rd, I miss her every day. But the pre, I would tell you, is we all know that we're on this. this earth for a limited amount of time, enjoy the moments you have with loved ones. Absolutely, whether they're healthy or not, they're directly in your life or it's a phone call. Just spend that time and enjoy it. Because when you lose somebody like that, you look

back and you go, we had some great times. Should I have spent a little bit more time? You never know, but we deal with that individually. Yeah. Well, and I always, it's never a contest. I mean, Joan, you lost your husband to pancreatic cancer. Kathy died of cancer as well, chalk. Yes. Yeah. Geoblastoma. That's right. Brain cancer. Yeah. And I lost my husband to suicide. And I don't think there's ever a situation where, you know, this one's better than that one. But I have said this to Susan many times. Susan's divorced. And the only advantage, if that's even the correct word, to a divorce is Susan and her ex-husband can talk. They can say, remember the time when or I'm really sorry this happened because, while they're divorced, they still are in each other's lives. But I lost siblings, and that was, they're way, way younger than me.

And you just think about, why did they take him before me, you know, those questions. But the pain is always there. But I try to think of all the things that made me laugh about them. Right. And that happens in time. Yeah. So the time does change things. So you're the person that wrote this message, like I want.

them to have hope from this conversation, and there really is hope. The same does make it different. It doesn't take your breath away when you think about your loved one after some time. You aren't as an emotional when you see a picture of them after some time. But it does take time, but there's only two months, she's saying. Right at the end of this tunnel. But just give them grace and just be kind of them. Yeah, just you know what?

I also, I don't know if you guys agree. But I would also say, be a good listener because he's going to want to talk about, or at least I did, some of the good times, sometimes reliving those times with your loved one that's gone, I don't know, makes them feel closer. And my kids and I would get together and they would tell funny stories about their dad. And, you know, it makes me cry just thinking about them because those are the memories that you keep in your heart and you always have with you. so it will get easier for your dad it's just going to take time it's just going to take some time it's just going to take time and just be there for him if he wants to cry let him cry you know and if he wants to celebrate life then do that as well but just give him time like they said but thank you for well we can't end on these sad notes now Chuck give us some good what do you have

what do you look forward to yeah what do you guys have going for the year the best thing that's going to happen for you too well we're both doing we're doing some independent trips and there's there's an old saying that you should do a big trip together a big trip with the family and then independent trips i like joan you want to tell everybody what you're doing so i am going on a cruise a 10-day cruise a mediterranean cruise europe with nancy from the golden babes yes yes talk was not available he already had made a vacation plan with his son And so I had this opportunity. They said, bring somebody.

So I thought, boy, I'd love to be able to spend, like, do this trip with Nancy. So we're doing this together. That's great. Don't you wish it was all the same one, both of us? Yeah, I really do. I think about that. And I saw the cruise line that you guys are going on. Yeah.

I showed the other day for it. And I was, oh. I know. I would have been fine. Oh, the four of us on a ship. Oh, that would be some trouble. That would have been trouble. What about you?

What about you? So my son and I, when he graduated, I promised him, trip anywhere he wanted to go. So we're going to go do Africa. Wow. So we're doing that, almost the exact same marrying the time that Jones is going to be gone. So we're going to be going to be going. And then he, when we're done with that, he's going to take another 10 days and go to Asia with my brother. Oh, wow. I want to be your son. He and my daughter. They've got great lives. So they both love traveling. They're both lovely people too. Thank you. So wait. And then the big trip together, you guys are going to Ocean City, Joan,

That's the family trip. Yeah, that's coming up. Together, too. We just have one or two people showing up. It's amazing. Is that the big trip, though, that you guys have this year? Do you have another trip? We just kind of play it by ear.

That's our, that's really not our big trip. I mean, we've been. That's a family trip. That's a family trip. So we did Caribbean kind of trips. We did in Mexico, and we did in Punta Kona, Dominican Republic, already this year. But we don't have, like, we might be. To Europe? Well, honey, we do have a big trip. Yeah, we potentially have Europe, but we have a very, very big trip coming up. You remember this?

Oh, we're going to Disney World. All 35 of us. You know, we got, you know, she always gives a couple of trips. And they, you know, I thought maybe they would send us back to Lake Tahiti and Borough. How about Lake Cuomo? How about Lake Cuomo? I don't know, wait, let's think about this. Lake Cuomo or breakfast with Mickey Mouse? You pick. we're taking all of our like all of my kids my grandkids his kids all to disney world oh that's going to be great wait are they closing the park for you guys yeah oh i know i don't think so it's something that they'll remember it's a great trip we're going to be on for five days and it's going to be perfect yes i am so grateful that we got that trip because i love to be able to I always wanted to do, like, Disney World. It's like one of those things I've had planned in my mind that you take your kids to Disney World. It's just something you do.

And so, you know, we get to do this together with all. You know, it may not be the glamorous, you know, romantic trip to Italy or the south of France, but your family will never forget it. And, you know, Bachelor's all about love and Golden Bachelor's all about family and love. So, you know what? It's going to be a great trip. And Disney. It's going to be great.

It's going to be great. And wasn't that your first? Missed kiss for me. Wasn't that the first day? Yes, it was. Yes, it was. I remember. The little princess.

You guys to Disneyland. Wait, are you going to Disney World or Disney World? Yeah. And it's closer for me. And it's closer for me. Yes. Oh, it's good.

It is so much. I wish I could, could I join that we just make it 36. No, thank you. I've taken my choice. children multiple times. Oh, I took my time when they were going on. Yes, and now it's time for take my grandkids. Wait, I just have to admit, I have to admit, when my kids loved Disney World,

we did the thing, you know, that they show where you, at Christmas surprise, the kids with the tickets. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And we did that once as a family. And then when I had my daughter and she got old enough, my husband wanted to take them back. And I looked at him. I said, you know what? Mommy needs a vacation.

and he took all three kids by himself. What? Yes. Good for you. Yeah. I told you, I was married to a great guy. And he had a blast. He had a blast.

He loved it. I was like, so did I. I had a bottle of wine and a massage. And a massage. hilarious. I can't imagine a father there with three kids and being able to handle that. Yep. You guys have been great.

Thank you so much for joining us today. We all have to get together. again we all need to get together in some city yet the guys joan from your season and some of us can get together and have dinner that would be so fun wouldn't it definitely yeah we need to plan that that sounds like a really hard thing to plan but maybe we could just set it up and just say if you want to come come well actually we're still trying to plan girls week next year wait i know someone actually who used to do event planning until she became a star of a tv show that would be you joan so You're going to volunteer me for this.

I just volunteered you. Get planning. And then I'll let you ladies know, too, because we're in the midst of putting together a golden bachelorette guy trip. Oh, we're coming. We're going to crash. And we've got to think 19 to 20 guys that have committed to do it. We can't give any details because we're still working on that. We'll know more on Wednesday.

Also, we want our dates. That is right around the corner. I'm invited. You're invited. Well, Jones is. bringing us. Jones the star. You know, she needs her girls.

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