Bachelor Happy Hour - All Things Ferocious with Bachelorette Jenn!

Episode Date: August 1, 2024

Today on “Happy Hour,” we have our Bachelorette Jenn on to talk about her journey thus far! With Hometowns on the horizon, things are heating up and she is spilling all the tea! She tells us what���s been the most shocking to watch back — how much of the drama was she aware of? She also gives us the DL on her history with Matt and what she thought of his grand gesture. Plus, Jenn hints at what’s to come for the remainder of her journey!  Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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with The Bachelor Act herself. Jen, Jen, welcome back. How are you? It's good to be back. I missed you guys. Yeah, we missed you too. We were saying right before you got here a year, this is your fourth time. And I'm sure we're going to probably have you at least two more times that'll be sick so you might be the most interviewed person ever Joey is up there and so is Braden from charity season we had him a lot too we had him so many times

he's always on the podcast he's great but I feel like you're going to rival them at some point which is great because we love having you I'll think about it depends how this one goes okay she's like I hate it I'm not going back she's like fuck you guys stop calling me on this okay what's new

How are you feeling? I'm feeling great. Nothing new. Nothing crazy new. Nothing new. Are you engaged? No. Let's kind of break down.

Wait, are you back in school? No, I could not be doing everything that I'm doing right now and being in school. No. I tried to for like a week and I was like, I'm not doing that. So no, I'm not in school. Yeah, no, that would be just so incredibly overwhelming. Do you know when you'll go back? I'm going to go back.

in January. So I'm just going to ride the wave out for the rest of the year. And then, yeah, go back to like really, really normal life in January, which I'm excited for. That'll be perfect. All right. We're going to break down. We want to break down this week's episode because it was wild and we need to talk about your ex coming back. But before we do, let's kind of get into just like you being the Bachelorette, you know, just night one, you're riding up in the limo. What's going on in your head? I mean, in my head, I was kind of like, this is nothing different than flirting with a bunch of men at the bar, except they're all coming to you out of a limo instead of like you coming to them at the bar and having them buy your drinks. So I don't know, I wasn't like, I was like kind of nervous, but not really.

I feel like at that point I was like kind of all used to like the cameras and everything. So I was very much like trying to be myself as much as much as possible. And I really just had fun with it. Did you feel the difference though from from? being in the limo pulling up as the lead, opposed to being in the limo pulling up as a contestant? Yeah, I didn't black out this time around. Like, I was so comfortable in my own skin and I wasn't nervous. And I felt like this time around, I felt really in control of things.

Like, I just felt like I knew what was going to happen or like I knew what I was going to say. I don't know. Like, I felt just more comfortable on my own skin than the other way around where you come into this world that you've never been in before. and you're just kind of like a little sheep in a farm. That makes sense. Looking back now, what were the night one entrances that really stood out to you? Hakeem with the balloons, for sure. Yeah, we really didn't talk about him much on night one,

but every time I think of night one, I picture you, and then I picture Hakeem with the balloons. Me too, me too. Because the balloons reminded me of a movie up, and I thought it was so cute. Like, I really liked it. That's a sad movie, though. I know, I never watched it because that's what everyone says.

Yeah, but it's also, like, kind of beautiful. It's romantic. Yeah, that's good movie. You know, when Jeremy pulled up with his nice car and his big penis, whatever, that was a big moment as well. And then what else was there? Oh, Jonathan with the gown and the mask. Yeah. Yeah, that was like.

Were there any guys from their limo entrances that you knew you were keeping? and or knew you were not keeping just based off of those yes well i i didn't like definitively saying no in my head but in my head i was like i'll give him another conversation but if it's still like just not it then he's going home kind of thing um like i think i wasn't like a strict yes or no out of the limo i really think the conversations later in the night um played a big role in like my decisions. Was there anyone that you felt more nervous around? On night one.

I don't know if I was, maybe like Sam M, I think. Yeah, that checks out, at least from the beginning of the first few episodes. I feel like, I don't know if you're like this, but I am. I'm never really nervous about a first flirty combo with, a haughty, but I get nervous once I realize I might like them. And that's when the nerve set in. Exactly. Like, I don't think I was super nervous with him on night one. But as obviously, as the episode's gone, like, I definitely got more nervous with him because then I was like, oh, I like him. But on night one, yeah, I mean, I was like really comfortable with a lot of them.

Nice. How did you feel about not being in the mansion? It felt good. I mean, obviously there's like a sense of nostalgia. It's like, a sense of nostalgia. It's like the bachelor mansion and I was kind of looking forward to being back there and all the memories coming back but I also felt like a sense of kind of refreshing like renewal situation going on because I was like I am kind of breaking the mold in a lot of ways just being the first Asian American bachelorette and um and so I think having a new mansion was like was was was good vibes and I liked it yeah I don't know I don't know if you could disclose this did you know that you were traveling right away did you know you were going to

in Australia? So I didn't exactly know, sort of. Like Jesse told me on the first night, and I was so excited. But I heard kind of rumors beforehand from previous girls. I don't know how they knew, but rumors were kind of going around. So I didn't know for sure. So it wasn't like it was something that you were prepped with from the show? No, no.

Oh, nice. That's actually, that makes it more fun, I think. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. fun when Jesse told me on the first thing. Because I was like, oh, okay, we're actually going. Like, that's insane. Yeah, that was crazy. That was such a quick turnaround. Were you happy that you were kicking off your season with travel? I mean, it's been so cool seeing you guys travel to all these new places. Honestly, I love to travel. Also, Australia is a sick location. I've always wanted to go. It's been on my bucket list. So I was stoked. And I think it really, it changes the

show a little bit, you know, because usually you travel a little bit later and then things get a little bit more serious. But I think because we traveled so early, these relationships grew a lot faster. What was your thoughts on the veggie mite and the kangaroo testes? I forgot about that.

The kangaroo balls. The kangaroo testicles are actual kangaroo testicles. I like to think in my head that I ate a kangaroo meatball because like no way kangaroo testicles are actually perfectly that circular. I don't know. That just makes sense to me. They were really tiny too.

Yeah, I would imagine kangaroo testicles are a bit bigger, but... I would think kangaroos have some big, heavy balls. I think so, too. Yes. Well, oh my gosh, in Australia, they sell those kangaroo testicle beer openers. It's like a big thing in Australia. I bought like 10 of them in my friends and family. And apparently they're like made out of real kangaroo high or kangaroo balls.

I don't know. I haven't done my research on it, but it smells. How similar is New Zealand and Australia? Um, pretty similar, I'd say, in the sense that it's a very lead-back vibe. But when we were in Australia, we were in Melbourne. So it was very city. And then when we were in Auckland, we had a lot more dates that were in the countryside, kind of more scenic date. So we were out of the city a little bit more, which I love.

So I think this happens in episode. I'm pretty sure this happens in episode two, where we. see you're having a conversation with devon and thomas pulls devon instead of you and like they get into an argument and i feel like that was that i mean it was really early on in the season but like i feel like we really see you after that conversation kind of like step up and you're like okay this is my fucking show like i'm the lead like what are you kind of doing what was going through your had when that went down yeah that was crazy we've never seen that before i was definitely a little annoyed i was just really confused so it's funny now watching it back seeing all the build-up to that

moment like seeing what was going on in the house but in the moment like i didn't know what was going on i didn't know there was drama or anything so i was just sitting with dabbin and thomas pulls him aside instead of just talking to me which i thought was weird and immediately they're like arguing in the corner and I'm like I'm right here I can hear you so I'm going to go listen like I want to know what's going on I'm not just going to sit here um and yeah I don't know I thought it was like a weird way to kind of go about things um personally I think like the root of that issue was time and excuse me being respectful of everybody's time and getting enough time with me but then it felt like that counteracted the actual issue because then I was just sitting there alone instead

of Thomas talking to me watching all this back for the first time what are you most shocked about in that episode not that episode just a front four like what like the guys bickering like all the drama like you weren't privy to any of that yeah definitely the guy's drama I had no idea obviously in I think it was the second episode when Aaron and Devin were kind of bullying each other from right from me during that group date cocktail party I was like okay maybe there's something going on there but I I had no idea the extent of the big ring between the boys. If Aaron didn't send, if Aaron didn't have to leave for work, did you see that relationship going anywhere? To be honest, no. I, you know, I wanted to maybe see where things were going, but in my head at that point,

I had some really strong connections with the other guys. So I wasn't necessarily like artwork in that Aaron was leaving. I was honestly just genuinely happy for him to get this opportunity that he's been wanting for so long. How pissed were you when he told you some of the guys are here for the wrong reasons and then didn't tell you who? Immediately so pissed. Okay, here's my thing with that is that if you're going to say that you're going to leave, that's great. I support you in all of your dreams. But then you tell me that there are people here not for the.

right not here for the right reasons but then you won't tell me exactly who and then you tell me that you trust my decision making and then i'll make right decision but then it's like you trust me don't don't tell me that then yeah it's what play out and then and then that's that like i feel like him dropping that bomb was a little selfish in a way because if you're going to drop the bomb like drop all the bomb that tell me it like stick with your gut with it you know but he did it and that is what aggravated me not necessarily that i would have trusted who he would have said, because at that point, I trusted myself a lot more than this guy that I had just known for a couple weeks. But it was just an annoying situation to have to do

it. When he said that, were there any guys that, like, and you don't have to say the names if you don't want to or you can, were there any guys that, like, jumped to the front of your mind of like, I wonder if it's this person or I thought, you know, I've already had those doubts about this person. Well, yeah, I immediately thought that Aaron was talking about Devin. And I wanted him to just say it, like, say it. Right. Because you know at this point that they already have beef. Exactly. Like, I wasn't blind. I knew that they had beef from the ice cream situation. So I wasn't dumb, but I was like, if you're going to do it, like man up and do it. I'm Jamil Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcast Politics. And on the latest episode of

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And you'll meet the team behind the scenes at Othrum, the Houston Lab that takes on the most hopeless cases to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of the ice cream thing, I want to touch on that a little bit because you were someone on Joey's season who I thought was a little more, you were a little more forward on group dates. Like we kind of see you pull Joey to the side and like give him a kiss. You did the piano thing where you guys had the little piano moment in front of the group. So would you consider Devin pulling you for ice cream comparable to how you were on group dates? Or was it just way out of left field?

No, I would pretty much agree that I kind of went into these group dates on the other side with the mindset of like, you've got to make your own little moments no matter what that is. And so for Devin to pull me for ice cream, I thought it was kind of in the same mindset of like, I'm just going to make a moment where I can and when I can. And I thought that it showed really great initiative. Yeah, I mean, I liked it. But it's like watching it back where you shocked that all the guys were like, what the fuck? I was. I was very sure to see that. Yeah, I had no idea if they were so, um, so shooken up by it. Yeah, they hit it right well.

Did you have any inclination though? Because we did see that a lot of them were roasting Devin on that group date. I did see that, but I still at that point didn't know that that was a result of the ice cream. I was, but I was like, oh, that's interesting. Everyone's been devoured. Yeah, like, if anything, I would think in your situation, you'd probably think like he's kind of like the most outgoing in the house and probably friends with everyone and that's why they're roasting them. Yeah. I don't know what I was thinking

at that moment. I don't think I had anything made up yet because it just didn't know enough. Also, we saw a lot of the comments about Devin, but I'm sure there was a lot of other comments made too about other guys in the roasts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

She's like, no. It was literally it was everyone was just ripping on Devin. It actually kind of was a lot of ripping on tap. Okay, so let's cut to current episode four. We see Sam M gets Sam M, Sam M, Sam N, and Sam. Yeah, we've been having a really hard time with the M's versus the Ns for the Sam. Yeah. On the seat, I was like, don't mess up the letters at the Rose Teremony.

Yeah, you're probably like, I've never enunciated better in my life. So you got, you choose Sam M for your one-on-one date. And it just starts off really rough. Like, you don't want to do it, which I would hate, I personally would hate that. Joe and I aren't hates people either. I would have just been like, no, like I'm not doing it. Like, fuck off. But we kind of see Sam, like, makes the decision for you.

So let's talk about that. Mm-hmm. I was pissed. I was really, really pissed. I don't know. I think I wanted someone to be there for me in that moment because I, as soon as I landed in New Zealand, I saw the freaking tower and I said, I already jumped out of a plane. I'm not jumping off with the needle, okay?

I'm not doing it. Did you know that was a thing that people did? No, but funny enough, like our driver just like started talking about it. So in that moment, I knew that was a thing then, but I was like, that won't be me. I'm not doing that. So when we got up there, we were having drinks, I was like, oh, God, there's just no way this is actually going to happen. So I was already scared. Yeah.

Well, you've been on the show before, like, as a contestant, so you know how it works. You're probably sitting at this table being like, there is a very good chance someone tries to get me to jump off this building. Like, we're not here for no reason. Exactly. You're never just there for the view or something. Yeah, no. You're like, oh, this date is not just a 360. dinner reservation

no absolutely not so in the back of my kind of more news and I was yeah I was upset but he wasn't hearing me out I was like you can't just make a decision for me like you have to at least ask me if I wanted to do it he didn't even do that so in that moment I was very

very upset was there any was because was there any like flirtatious flirtatiousness is that a word sure is it a word right now was there any like Was he trying to do it in a more of a flirty way or a fun way?

What was his energy about the whole thing? Yeah, I think in the beginning, it was more so he was really, he really is an adrenaline junkie, so he knew he wanted to do it. And I think for him as someone who doesn't really have a fear of heights or a fear of anything, it's like you're going to be fine at the end of the day. You know, like it's just a fear, but you'll get over it once you do it. So I think in the moment, he wasn't necessarily. thinking of how scared somebody could be. But obviously things turned around in the middle of the

date. But yeah, I mean, I think maybe it was a little bit flirty, but also a little bit like, I just know you're going to be fine. So don't be scared. Yeah. It felt like the conversation, the communication wasn't aligned. Like he wasn't getting what your problem with it was. And you weren't understanding how he could be so insensitive. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that was like the upsetting part of it too was like I was trying to communicate how scared I was and it wasn't received yeah and you're probably thinking I'm already scared I already don't want to do this and now I'm at the very least going to have to go walk out there with someone that I'm not feeling very supported by in this moment yeah yeah that was definitely the kicker at that moment too was like if I'm

going to have to do it I would have loved to have done it with somebody who's supportive in the beginning but yeah what was worse walking around the building or just jumping walking around was so much you could see through the grates and they were like wide wide gaps in between the grades

that you were walking it was around and it was windy and I didn't there were so many wires I was like which one's actually hooked up to me like which one do I hold on to if I fall I was like I hated every second of that and we'll never do that that is top like the most scary thing I've ever done

Yeah, I said the same, that reminded me of myself because the first time I, the first and only time I went skydiving, I did it. I was like, okay, never doing that again. I don't, I don't need to do this shit ever again. And we were saying the walking, I feel like is so much worse because you're like lingering in a place that you're so scared, whereas at least jumping, you're like, okay, I know I'm going to be scared, but then the minute I jump off, I'd be like, just get me to the ground as fast as possible. Like, get me off this platform and to the ground because being on the platform is the worst part. We have in Toronto, like the C.N Tower has

a skywalk, which is very, very similar. You can't jump off the C& Tower, but you can like hang off of it the same way that Sam M was except it's not, like you're fully straight leg leaning backwards. I have friends and cousins that have done it and it just looks like a horrible time. Oh, no. I'm done with

any sky towers, any space needles, whatever I'm done. No more. Yeah. I'm my archedemesis. I can't do it. So do you think the turning point in that date was when you eventually got emotional about the situation. Do you think it kind of took that for him to really see how scared you were? Yeah, I definitely think the turning point was when I really broke down and just started sobbing. I think he realized, oh, she's not making this up. She's like actually terrified and is crying. So yeah, I think the tears definitely

helped him come back to her. And then how was he moving forward or how was the date moving forward? Yeah. I mean, after we jumped, you know, it was, I felt great. I forgot all about it. I said, I'm never thinking about this again. And, and yeah, it was great from that on. Okay, so the rugby date, right? Now, what we need to talk about within the rugby date. Now, you watch this. Did you have you watched this back? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I guess Sam N. Now, let's go to Sam N. So, you know, what were your thoughts with how Sam N was acting during the rugby game? During the rugby game, I thought that he was aggressive, but I thought that was, I think he used to play football in high school.

So I thought that was just kind of like his competitiveness just coming out. But I didn't think that there was malicious intent to it. Like, I wasn't hearing exactly, um, everything that he was saying, like, you know, in his different form after that he, like, was, like, trying to be super crazy about it. I just thought he was having, he was just having fun and just showing his competitive side. But I thought it was, like, friendly competition. Yeah. I was saying earlier, it kind of his, his energy felt like he gave himself a pep talk and then chugged a Celsius and ran on the field.

Like, it just felt really elevated compared to what we've seen from him, the person. past few weeks. Did it feel different to you? Did it feel like there was a shift in him at all? It felt like a shift. And honestly, I was surprised and I liked it because I think like having so many layers to a person and seeing different sides of them is fun. So I like seeing a different side of him in that moment. Who else stood out during the rugby portion of the date? Jonathan was a really good runner. He took a lot of tackles. John M was the MVP. of the game he was yeah we haven't seen much of him but he was good during the game i know he was amazing i was i was very impressed and i think his personality really came out that day and i was excited

about that um we saw marcus hurt himself in the game how bad was the injury or how bad did you think it might have been at the time yeah i think it was worse than he was letting on you know in the game i kind of saw him take a blow and um i didn't really understand understand how bad it was until we were kind of back in the locker room and drinking the champagne and whatever and he was being really really quiet um and i was like oh like he's actually like really hurt you know but he's putting on a brave face which is why i checked up on him after at the cocktail party so as a lead you make your first early cut chop chop chop you get rid of sam and the chop chop oh my god that that's just how it goes sometimes oh i should do that as a roaster how Chop, chop, you guys are done. No rows, get out. I, before, like, going into that conversation, did you, did you know you were going to do that? Or were you just like, this guy is, is 10 steps ahead of where I am and I'm never going to get there. Did you come to that realization mid-conversation?

Yeah, it was, it was kind of mid-conversation when he, it was like when he came back and asked for a kiss, you know, I was like re-evaluating where I was at with his. in comparison to a lot of the other guys in the room. And with him, I think I realized, like, I loved talking to him, and I loved kind of helping him along through whatever he was going through that day. And so I loved your little chats, but I don't think that I saw it as anything more. So when he asked for that kiss, and I immediately kind of knew, like, I didn't really want to. I was like, I can't string him along anymore. And so I ultimately had to make that hard decision and sent him home.

were you surprised by what you saw with his behavior and conflict amongst the guys um like at the cocktail party while you were talking to other people yeah i mean again i have no idea what goes on in the house so it's it's crazy watching it back to see how much conflict there is and how much i didn't know about it um which in a way is good and i'm glad no one wasted their time telling me about whatever was going on but um yeah kind of crazy I'm Jemail Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly?

Many of them are in fear of their political lives. And that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. and there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault

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Listen to Wisecrack. on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Going into your Devon date, did you, were you aware a little bit that Devin and Sam M really didn't like each other? I actually had no idea. Wow. Okay.

I was a good idea until I watched the show. No way. And how was that date seemed to be? be from beginning, middle, and end seemed to be really a really great date. And it seemed like you guys really started connecting at that point. Yeah, I think the date set us up for success in a way that, you know, the date wasn't just we were doing activity or anything. Like, we were also connecting and a lot of family values and just speaking about tradition and like where we come from and what makes us us. So I think the day portion was great for us to be able to connect on that.

and get vulnerable so early on that it was also easy to then later in the night, get really vulnerable to other things that make us and connect on those as well. So I think the day overall was really, really good for us. I always think, like, for example, like Sam and watching episode four, I always think it's going to bring those people so much closure on the fact that you and him, for us as viewers, it's so clear you're not a fit and for him to be able to see how far along your relationship with because like we see him go home and then your relationship with Devin, right? And it's just two different stages. Like Devin is so many light years ahead

in terms of you guys's connection and even like Sam M and some of the other guys for Sam M to be like, wow, like I hadn't even kissed her yet. And this is kind of where her other connections were. I always just think like there's closure in that, you know? Yeah, that's so true. That's so true. And that's why I'm like, I would never want to string anybody along because then if they watch that back and they're like oh well why did she even keep me along if like she had all these other great connections so yeah what's the best part of dating multiple guys and falling for multiple guys that are so different from each other the vast part um and or worst part i guess i will say when i date in real life i'm very much i've tunnel vision i don't think about

anybody else. I don't think about the other possibilities. I stay on one track and, and that's that. So for me to be able to explore and to constantly be open to all these different relationships, it really helped me kind of put into perspective and put into and have my priority straight on what I wanted out of a partner at the end of it all. So I was able to really compare, contrast each relationship and be like, this is what I like. This is what I like. this is what I don't like. Can this person provide me this or no? And it's like if this person is providing me this and this one isn't, then the answer is easy, right? If you're dating in the real life and someone's not providing you with something, at least for me, I still have tunnel vision.

I'm like, well, I really like all these other qualities. So I'm trying to make it work. And it's easy to be like, but what if no one gives me that? You know, what if I go out looking and I never find that in anyone? And, you know, maybe I should just stick with the good things that I get here because like I don't want to go out and you know not find what I'm looking for but you're able to kind of see like someone will give it all to you and it's just a matter of finding the right person you got options actually I like my options I didn't know that I would be an options girl but I like uh okay let we won't take up too much more of your time last segment we do need to touch on uh Matthew Matthew Matthew Matthew Matthew so

watching it back I'm I'm kind of like I think this was more of a fling and I felt like Jen doesn't really didn't really know he felt this strongly about her but that's just my that's what I took from it and I could be 100% wrong so yeah you want to just kind of break down the situation yeah walk us through your history with this guy before we chat about him showing up in New Zealand. Sure. Yeah. So we had dated when I lived in Boston about

three years ago. We met on Hinge. We dated for like three months ish. Exclusively, like he was your boyfriend. You were only dating him? Yeah. It was me and haven't. We were a boyfriend, girlfriend, girlfriend, whatever. And then things just like didn't really work out. He was really young. I was really young.

You know, like, a classic. And then I think like a few months had passed. And we kind of got back together for a little bit and then I decided this was just like not it and then I think a few more months had passed after that second like reincarnation and I was so happy with that because he is someone who's like such a good person and I kind of came to terms with the fact that like we're at different like places in our lives so um we had stayed in touch as friends um for like a couple years like here and there like nothing crazy and then after Joey

season. We did talk on the phone every now and then about like TikTok stuff and all this stuff. And we really, somebody could talk to about, you know, stuff on TikTok and whatever else is going on my life. And I've known him for so long. And he knows my family. I know his family. So like, we have this history and I found comfort in that. And so I was really, really surprised when he came and basically confessed his love. Yeah. Okay. So what were the reasons? Because you said you kind of tried. You didn't work out. You tried. It didn't work out. Was there like one big reason that it wasn't working out? Or was it just like you guys were arguing? You weren't connecting.

We did it three years ago. So we were just so young. And so like he never prioritized me. And I was still learning so much about myself. I didn't know how to communicate. I didn't know how to be in a good relationship like I was just like I was kind of a mess too so you know like it just didn't work out right like at the time because you guys were so young you didn't have the skills to kind of nourish a healthy relationship together and it kind of just fizzled out all right so so it's three years into the future you're now the bachelorette dating multiple men and matthew shows up in new zealand and you see him what is going what is going through your head Funny enough, my very, very initial reaction was, was shocked.

I was like, what the heck is he doing here? But then I was also like, oh, my God, like a friendly face. And I hugged him. And in my head, I was kind of like, oh, is he like here to give me advice or something? And then it kind of clicked. I was like, no way he's here to give me advice. That would be really weird too. So I kind of slowly was like, okay, I kind of get why you're here.

But then I was also like, why are you here? So I was very shocked. We were in New Zealand. Like if we were in, I don't know, Kansas, I'd be like, okay, this makes sense. But we were in New Zealand. Yeah, that's crazy. I would also be jarred. Do you, so he mentions, you know, you guys are chatting and he's like, I came right

from like Columbia, I think he said. And then you're like, you ditched the weddings. He was like, I didn't go to the weddings. Were you, I don't, I think I know the essence. I just want to clarify for people listening, were you supposed to go to those weddings with him? So, you know, there was a free trip to Columbia on the table at some point. And I had said, Matthew is a really good friend of mine.

He needs a little date. He wants to give me a free trip to Columbia. Why not? So I was supposed to go to these weddings, yes. Okay. So, so. Totally. You're his plus one.

Okay, because he says, he tells you that he loves you. And you're like, well, you could have told me this a long. time ago. So then when he drops that bomb, and then you kind of put together like, oh, wow, this is why he's here. What goes through your mind? Yeah, because you were like, you could have told me this

years ago. Yeah, I just, I don't know. I was at that point kind of questioning his intentions. I was like, why are you here? You did have a chance to tell me at any other point in time before right now. Why is it right now? So I think I was really just trying to get

into his mindset a little bit more and kind of really understand why he took this this wrist to fly all the way around the world to New Zealand. Yeah, I was just so shocked. When you say question his intentions, does he strike? Is he the type of guy that you think would

just like want to be on the show? I don't think so. But, you know, at the end of the day, you can never really know what people's true intentions are sometimes. Like, the reality of it is like we are on a TV show that sometimes people go on to for other reasons than love.

So, I mean, you got to ask the questions, right? Yeah, I mean, that's what I would be thinking. I mean, I, like, if it was an ex that I used to date and came back on the show and it's like, all of a sudden, like, hey, I'm in love with you. And I was like, the fuck are you talking about? What are you doing here? And then I would be thinking a million different options. Yeah.

It's so crazy because, like, if you were just on, like, a vacation in New Zealand with, like, some friends and a guy that you were newly dating and you were like, maybe. getting serious with it's like would he be flying his assort to new zealand to declare his love that's probably why you're like it feels weird but but but then again she it's not like after the vacation she's going to be engaged no 100% i can totally sympathize with white like it's a the pressure's on right he's thinking oh my god there's a good chance in a month she's engaged and i'm never going to have the chance to say this but it's just so funny how this environment affects people outside of it so drastically as well. Like Matthew has nothing to do with this experience when you're on it and then

all of a sudden he's in New Zealand professing his love. Yeah, that was the weirdest part was like, I'm kind of in this new world now and it's my world and then like someone from my past comes into this world and it's like a sense of familiarity almost. So it's like a sense of comfort having somebody there that kind of knew me. I was like, whoa. I think we've seen that in past shows. Like I would argue like watching Blake Moynes going Katie Thurston season, like there's comfort in that even of like you've been here before like you know this world as well and like having been on the show you are very isolated and you're dating all these guys but you're still getting to know them so like seeing a familiar face i can totally sympathize with even if you left to go film the show on friendship terms with

this guy there is that excitement about seeing him of like i know you and i feel comfortable with you absolutely absolutely all right jim before we let you leave we're going to play a quick game you ready Rapid Fire. Let's do it. All right. Of your guys, who's the funniest? Pete Davidson. Devin.

Who's the shyest? Dehan. Who made you the most nervous? Sam M. Who dressed the bust? Um, a question. Uh,

uh, uh, uh, uh, Grant. Who matched your intelligence level the best? I would have not answered that either. Like no one.

They're all stupid. I'm going to stick with that. Nobody. Because nobody can not to be. Of your journey overall, what piece of advice ended up being the most useful? Um,

it was a piece of advice that one of my best friends gave me in a letter that she wrote me before I left the show and I was reading it every now and then and it was fun. Don't get back with Matthew. No, it was she wrote something like

she's been she is married so she was giving me advice and she said you want to find someone who is going to think you're the funniest girl in the room no matter what and to me what that really meant was find someone who intentionally is always going to make you feel celebrated no matter what. Like even if I make like the like the dumbest joke ever, give me a pity laugh. You know what I mean?

And so for me, it goes beyond even a joke and it's more just partner who's thoughtful. That's good advice. What was your favorite group date that we've seen so far? The rugby date was really fun. You were funny on that day. You had me laughing because Jesse is, like, such a professional because that's what he does for a living is like he's a sports, sports announcer. Is that the term sportscaster? Sportscaster, yeah.

And he would like do his whole like professional spiel. And then at the end, he'd be like, yay. I was in awe just like watching him do his thing. And then I'd be like, mm, ditto. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. What he said.

What was your favorite one-on-one activity? thus far? The helicopter ride over the 12 apostles was absolutely stunning. I've never seen anything like it before. That was really incredible. What episode were you most excited to watch back?

Episode four. What moment thus far has been the most fun to watch back? The stripping date? that was a fun that was a fun date and to end this off and also I have one more question

after this that I want to ask and to end this off if you could describe your season in one word what would it be? Adventurous you know what's so funny is every guys

come on here and described it as like toxic tumultuous like chaotic like chaotic what it's all what the toxic

not toxic but like it's all been like like really like intense like ferocious yeah like this intense verbiage being used um but like you wouldn't know because it's all the male drama that you're not seeing so when joe asked that i'm like it's going to be so funny to hear her answer because it's going to be so different than like all the cast romantic and they're all like insane chaos they're like detrimental um what do you think of the phrase is this something that you came up with the

What do they keep saying? Let the main thing be the main thing. Let the main thing be the main thing. I didn't know that was the thing until I watched the show back. Okay. The main thing is the main thing. Once you finally, you wrap the season, you're done filming. Yeah.

How fast do you then go, do you go look at all these guys' Instagrams or their social media accounts? And like, who was this guy? Like, who did I cut night two? I'm not going to lie to you. Absolutely. I stalked every single one of them. Yeah. Absolutely.

Before we let you go, last question, how would you tease the rest of your season? I would say that there are a couple of turning points for me as a person and as someone who's dating somebody or people. Like I had a turning point in terms of relationships. and realizing what I want and what I deserve. Amazing. I'm excited.

Can't wait. Jen, thank you so much for taking the time. We know how busy you are. We're really enjoying watching your season. It's very toxic. Yeah, thank you for coming on Happy Hour.

Thanks for having me. I love chatting with you guys. I'm excited to have you back when we can do a full reflection on this season because we're only on episode four and so much has happened. And I just know there's so much more to come. But if you're listening to Bachelor Happy Hour, thank you for listening.

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