Bachelor Happy Hour - All Things Golden and Paradise!

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

Joe and Serena celebrate a big night of Bachelor premieres as they share their thoughts on the first episodes of “Golden Bachelor” and “Bachelor In Paradise”! They discuss the joy they felt watching Gerry meet the women, a limo entrance that Joe has dubbed “the greatest entrance in franchise history,” and who, based on night one, they think Gerry is already in love with.  Then, it was an eventful day one in Paradise. Joe and Serena talk about their surprise at seeing Eliza back for round two, why Kylee may be setting herself up for trouble by going hard for Will this early on, and so much more. Be sure to follow so you never miss an episode. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Air. I'm Serena. And I'm Joe. We are back from our honeymoon, and we are ready to go because Bachelor is in full steam. Thursday nights, everyone. It is the night of the week. We have Golden Bachelor Premiere. We had Bachelor in Paradise premiere, and we have so much to recap because it was a huge week in Bachelor Nation. We have them both. Golden Bachelor was just, we're going to talk about it. And you can't forget Paradise because that's where we found love. We're married because of Paradise. Exactly. So let's get into it. We're very excited. Let's go. I will say I had my doubts on Golden Bachelor. Even though I didn't vocalize them, I was really, I was really unsure. I feel like I was quite

vocal about them, at least in our day-to-day life. When Golden Bachelor first started getting cast, I was like, this is never going to see the light of day. And then once we got fully cast, I was like, okay, I don't know how this is going to go, but I am eating my words. Yeah, because I said, like, after we interviewed Gary, I was like, okay, this, I think it's going to be great. And when we did, like, we did, like, chicks in the office, we're excited because we were excited for it. And once Gary got cast, it was like, okay, this is real and he's a star and we're excited for him, obviously. But in my head, I was like, ah, how's this? How's this going to work? And I think I said during when we were watching it, I was like, I know what I'm watching, but I don't know what I'm watching. Yeah, because it was so trippy because it's the exact same format and it's the same template we've seen for years and years with this show. But there was just something so different about it. in the best way.

It was so good. It was so good. I actually can't believe how much I enjoyed it because I don't really even watch reality TV and I'm watching this and I'm like, I, this is, this is fantastic. Joe was big smiling the entire time for an hour straight, just a big smile on his face. But how could you not? I mean, the women are so lovable, the storylines. It was so fun.

And it's so refreshing to watch people who truly are. being themselves. Like not one woman that walked out of the limo gave two fucks about how they came across. They're like, this is who I am. I'm comfortable being me. Hi. Yeah. There's so much confidence, which really read through. And I feel like allowed us to connect with the women so much more. Like I feel like so many of the women, I'm already like, oh my gosh, I love her. I love her. I'm rooting for that one in Gary. Like, and I feel like it's because they're just really putting it all out there of like, this is who I am. It just makes it so much easier to connect with them.

Susan's six-inch heel line. Yes. Was maybe my favorite line on reality TV of all time. It was her live, but also her delivery. Like I was like, this is iconic. I'm obsessed with her. And the purple feather dress and the hair. Well, let's get, let's get into the episode from the top.

So Golden Bachelor, up front we see the golden hearing aid. we hear Gary's story Wait but can we talk about the edit for a second With the dead silence And then him putting on the hearing aid And it queuing the music Funny And can we also talk about the music

I feel like they like up their music budget For this show They had so much good Like throwback hits Yeah Like I loved it It felt like I was at an 80s prom For sure

And I think yeah I think ABC ABC's got to own that music And they're like all right We'll whip it out for this show It was the right timing to whip it out It just felt like the intro, I remember sitting there watching it, just being like, this actually feels iconic right now.

Yeah. Like it felt like a big moment. And then like, like, you know, Gary's story, lost his wife. It is, it is very sad. And then we, you know, we see him turn the page of like, okay, but now I am ready. And then like the music starts. Because it's a story about hope. It's like a Disney movie, you know.

There's sadness and loss at the beginning. And then it's a story about love. and hope. This is Disney. It feels Disney. Truly, truly. Disney is shining through. Okay, so the hearing aid, his story.

First woman out of, I got to pull up the face sheet here. I can tell you who it is. First woman out of the limo is Jesse. Nope. Oh, well, Jesse Palmer is the first person in front of the mansion. There you go. That's who's Jesse? The woman out of the limo.

There's no woman named Jesse. I'm like, I got Jesse. Jesse Palmer was the first person at the mansion, yes, correct. No, the first woman out of the limo is Edith, which I feel like was a perfect fit. A, she's like stunningly beautiful. She also kind of exudes the like golden bachelor appearance. I mean, her hair is like, yeah, she is, she also looks like a, like a princess or a queen in like a Disney movie. Literally.

Yeah. She's got like silver hair. She's got this amazing gold dress. dress on her and Gary like look good together and I just loved her intro like it was the perfect way to start off the night with like the two gold um confetti poppers yes I just thought it was really cute and a perfect first intro but I will say I actually think the second woman out of the limo they had a connection and I think she's going to go somewhere who was that was that um she came out a limo. She screamed Roberta.

Ellen. Yes. Yes. I think she's going to be there for a minute. I think so too. They had a genuine connection. Her dress was so good on her. Like that color with her beautiful blonde hair, like perfect pairing. She looked so cute. Yeah. And they had a connection. And she has like, she had a lot of spunk and she was extremely confident.

I just, she felt when she was talking, I was like, okay, this, this woman is very comfortable. Yes. I thought she was. was great. I'm trying to think. Let's go through some of our other standout intros. Well, another one at the beginning. We have Sandra who, as the show went on, I started liking her more and I think she's going to be there for a minute. Me too. She's a really good interview moment. But the intro was weird. The whole swearing like, I'm just going to walk up and we're going to say a bunch of swear words. It took me a a minute to realize what was happening. And then I was like, oh, they're just like swear

chanting, which I think is fun. I mean, if she, that's how she releases her energy, it's a good way of showing it off. Well, it all made more sense as the episode went on and that we saw her and Gary talk one-on-one and she kind of like laughed about it. She made a good joke about it. And I was like, okay, like that, that works. Yeah, it was a bit of an awkward moment at the intro, but then I think she did a good job of like making light of it and making him more comfortable with it later when they had

their chat. All right. Should we talk about Leslie? Yes. We have to. Leslie, I mean, Leslie is so hot. She could literally be on the regular bachelor. Like, she could go on Joey's season.

She looks insane. Well, how long she dated Prince? Also, it just drops that. Like, I used to date Prince. And he wrote sexy dancer about her. Yeah. Like, so casual. So she did just date him.

Like, he wrote a song about her. And then I went on her Instagram to like look and see. And she has, Oh, Joe's already, Joe's already on other women's Instagram. It's great. It's just great. As we were watching the show, I went, you know, I got to do my research. And she has like an old photo in black and white of like her in like a dancer's outfit.

It's like a side photo. And yeah, you could tell like, yeah, she probably did. Stop checking out the contestants. I'm not checking. You're a married man. I wanted to see if there was a photo of her in prints. No, I agree. She's in amazing shape.

She also has a great personality, super bubbly. Yeah. I loved her little black mini dress, showed off the bodge. She definitely stand out, stood out. I feel like I had something else to say about Leslie, but it's escaping me. And I could be wrong about this. I'm sure I am. But I don't know if Gary went into it.

I think he went into this thing looking for a partner, right? Totally. But I don't think his... In love. Yes, in love. But I don't think his head went to where, like, Oh, like, I'm going to be, like, sexually attracted to a lot of these women. You don't think he thought about that?

No, I don't. Because even when we were talking to him, like, when we interviewed him, he was more like, it's about, like, family. And, like, he never mentioned anything really about, like, looking for a haughty. Yeah. Yeah. Or, like, to find that lust again because maybe he doesn't think he's, that's there. You're right.

He never really talked about, like, lust, sexual attraction. like any of that maybe it's at the back of his mind but he's never like openly talked about it yeah and then when he started seeing some of these women then he's like you can tell his eyes that's what I'm saying yeah yeah like when Leslie walked out he was like

whoa and then like his when he started his like belly laughed when he's really getting you like all right all right Gary settle down Gary's getting ready um a few other intros we had April who did the

eggs in the back And she was balking like a chicken at him. I feel like she has one of like the most like funny, quirky personalities in the house and is also super pretty. Joan. Joan looks great. Yeah, Joan's a supermodel. Like I've been saying Jones is a supermodel.

Nancy, Nancy was one of my top picks who Nancy looks. Nancy is a Nancy Myers movie. She looks like she could star in the age. She literally looks like she could be, you know, the scene and it's complicated with Merrill and all her friends at the dinner table. She could literally be in that scene. Yes. Or I was going to say she reminds me of a parent trap.

She reminds you the mom and the parent trap? A little bit, yeah. Maybe. She was one of my best dressed. She looked so good. Oh, and then we had Charisa's birthday suit intro where you thought she was going to flash Gary. Yes. I actually thought for a second she was going to flash.

I totally thought she was going to be naked. I was like, let's go. I thought that was cute. It was like a fun little, fun little memorable intro. Your favorite was Susan. I was going to say, don't forget Susan. And what a line. She delivered it so well.

So well. So good. Like it was so much confidence. Because I feel like that was a line that if she like fumbled it or got awkward or embarrassed about saying the six inch heel. It would have just fell flat. It would have fell flat. But the way she delivered it was so hilarious. It was perfect.

It was so funny. Joe was actually cracking up. Yeah. I was like I love her. And then she ended up being the last woman to get a rose. Yeah. We were stressing out. Which I was like, oh my fucking God, Gary.

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beneficial to you because it's easy to say like go you go blank yourself right it's easy it's easy to just drink the extra beer it's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way avoidance is easier ignoring is easier denial is easier drinking is easier yelling screaming is easy complex problem solving meditating you know takes effort the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact, but the Myceles Brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy, are building an alternative to that. On the latest episode of Next Question with Katie Couric, I sat down with the brothers.

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It was just like a cute little peck. But I feel like on Bachelor, Bachelorette that would be so scandalous, whereas I feel like it was, like, not a big thing on Golden Bachelor. Maybe that's just a generation thing. Yeah. And they're all putting it. And also we can't forget. And she is our guest. So make sure you stay in tune later this week.

We are going to have faith on first impression rolls, pulls up in a motorcycle. And Gary is in love with her. Gary's in love. I literally wrote my notes. I love faith. Dash, so does Gary. Gary loves faith.

Like he, when she was singing her song. So, yes. She was singing to Gary. on their one-on-one conversation and he the man was like totally like like I wanted to actually jump in there and be like Gary play it cool like you're you are the bachelor like taking easy it was like he just gave up he's like I'm that's it like this is who I love no he like melted for that woman it was insane it was crazy okay so now we've moved on from the entrances a lot of good entrances. Everyone looked so good. I'm like literally blown away by these women. I cannot believe

that they let Gary do his intro toast on The Bachelor with a glass of orange juice. But it was probably, it was probably orange juice in five. I don't care. It was literally a short glass, like something you would see an old-fashioned in with orange juice in it. I mean, at least thank it. I love that. They did that. Why? Because it's him. I just can't believe no one was like, dude, just hold the champagne. No, no, no, because this is him being him. This is what he likes to drink. I want an orange juice and vodka. And that's what he's drinking. And I like that. I think that was the smart move. I respected too. I was just absolutely shocked. I've just never seen anyone do any sort of toast on this show with anything that didn't look like a very strong cocktail. Also, we can't forget about

Jimmy Kimmel's aunt. Yeah. Did she come in before the toast? Yes. She came out of the limo too. She came out of a little basically just like talking shit about herself. She's like,

ah, I'm here. Look at all you women. You look great. But it was funny. I loved it. I wonder if Jimmy Kimmel will talk about it on his show about how his aunt was there. I'm sure.

Yeah, I'm sure. Okay. So now let's talk about any one-on-ones that really stood out, besides faith. I mean, Faith, that one really, really stood out. Definitely. I feel like it was pretty obvious that she was going to get the first impression Rose just because I really saw sparks fly between them. And she's just like a very confident, well-spoken, beautiful woman. And they just really seem to connect like when they had a conversation. But I think there was definitely a few other ones. Obviously, Leslie, we liked her. They seem to have like a

fun little dancing moment. Trisa and Gary had like a cute kiss moment. Yeah. And she was, she was, she was sitting there like, I didn't get any time with Gary. And then when she got her time, she really put it, put it to work. Like, she took it. Well, it was her birthday. Yeah. So I thought it was. I thought she was going home. I didn't know. I didn't know, to be honest. Her intro. Before that conversation. Off of her intro, I was like, I'm not sure where her story is going to go. But then when they talked, they just, again, really seemed to connect. And then Gary did the thing. where he was like, if I get this cupcake all over my face, well, you clean it up for me? I was like, oh my God, Gary. Yeah. So cute.

He like totally baited her to make out. Yeah. It's great. It's, it's so, it's just like watching it. It is so crazy because we've watched so many seasons. And it's just, yeah, it's just like, it's the same. It's the same. But it's just, it's just different.

friend it's it's refreshing actually it is it is really is who um i like marina i like marina too she's very pretty she also seems very confident yeah i like marina i i think um i think ellen's a strong frontrunner okay wait before we get into talking about the rose ceremony should we pick our top four predictions what do you mean you already you already have one are you already have someone gone. Okay, no, forget about that. Let's reset. I don't know if I don't know. Okay, fine, fine. No, no, no, no, no. Let's do, um, okay, top four or top, top, top three. Let's do top three. Do I have to, okay, yeah, top three. So for those, just because, you know, just because you're my wife, I'm going to give you, uh, another opportunity at this. No, get out of here. So for those who don't know, when the cast got released, Joe and I each picked someone, just off of the head shots. I picked Anna, who sadly went home, um, night one by Anna.

We're sad to see you go. And then Joe picked, who did you pick? I picked, uh, Nancy. You picked Nancy. So you can pick three more. And then you'll have a top four with Nancy. No, no, let's just, let's just both do top three. Top three.

Our top three. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's do it. All right. Do you want to go first? Yeah.

I'm going to say Faith. Okay. I'm going to say Ellen. Mm-hmm. And then I'm really between Leslie and Nancy, and I'm going to say Nancy. Okay. Damn, you're like right where I am. I feel like I was going to pick a lot of the same people.

I'm going to go Leslie. I'm going to go. See, I want to pick Ellen in Faith, too, but I'm going to mix it up to make an interesting. I'm going to go, Les. I'm going to go Teresa. Interesting. She could be here a minute. And I'm going to go.

I'm going to go Faith too Okay I'm going to go Faith Teresa and Leslie Okay well it was a great A great first episode I enjoyed all of it I had a smile on my face the whole time I did not enjoy was the Rose ceremony

Because honestly I felt I felt really bad Yeah I felt really bad too And so did he Oh yeah he had a hurt time Yeah he started crying a little bit That was rough It is actually it when seeing these women who all were just so wonderful and you know they step out and go on this show which is is scary it's a big risk and then seeing seeing them go home was rough that actually yeah I didn't like that either no it was so hard it's only going to get harder um and I think Gary considering he had a really hard time with the night one he's going to have a really hard time with it this season he's going to be a mess and what we saw in the super tease yeah that he's like having a

super tough time breaking up with people and and gary falls in love definitely i bet you do you think gary falls in love with multiple people 100 a hundred a hundred percent times a thousand do you think he falls in love with more than two people yeah you think he falls in love with three people i'd say gary falls in love with three to four people well he's in love with one already yeah faith and it's night one so he is falling a love of multiple women um before we jump to paradise do we think they're going to do a golden bachelor's at i think so yeah and out of these women right now just shooting your shot who do you think who do you think it's going to be oh let me go back and look at my little my thing um it's so hard to tell right now i would go i would go if they're not with gary

Ellen or Leslie Ellen or Leslie I would say I would say let me see let me see let me see but you know who I would love to see is Susan or April

I because here's the thing they do need to pick a lead that is that is a little wild and I think April April or Susan could definitely

definitely be that lead. Okay, but Leslie used to date Prince. Like, girls definitely got a bit of a wild side. Leslie's up there too. Well, there's a bunch, but great first episode. Really enjoyed it. I can't wait to see what happens

the rest of the season. I'm so excited. I'm so excited to see the dates that they go on to get to know more of the women, to continue to get to know the ones that we already are excited about. It's just, it really, I literally am on the edge.

my seat. Like when we finished that episode, I was like, I can't wait to watch the rest of the season. And it's shorter too, which I enjoyed. I liked that too. I thought one hour was great. I really want to know if he had vodka and had orange juice now. He definitely did. Next time we interview him, that's the first question I'm asking is what were you toasting with? Yeah. Yeah. Or champagne juice. And I feel like they would have put in a champagne class. And they, yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay. Yeah. I think that that sums it up. Right. Anything else we left out. The little dance party was a lot of fun. They were all getting it on. I think, yeah, I think that's pretty, I think we covered it all, yeah?

I think we covered as much as we can for the first episode. And there's lots of good stuff to come. Yep. Okay, let's jump into Bachelor and Paradise, the show that's following Golden Bachelor. And that was a tough first episode to follow because it was really, really good. Okay, so we're back. Bachelor in Paradise is back. Jesse is there.

First person on the beach, Rachel. Sorry. I just thought you were meant to do it again where you're like first person on the beach is Jesse. No, no, no, no. Rachel is first. She's back. She was the bachelorette. She's now single and she's ready to date in Paradise.

How do you feel about Rachel coming back? I feel good. I think after seeing how well it worked out for Becca, I mean her and Thomas just had a baby. I think that she said a great example. for future bachelorette's and potentially bachelors coming down to paradise and finding love,

I can imagine that it's probably a bit of a shock to the system for Rachel coming down and having gone from being the bachelorette to now in paradise and some of these guys were on her season

and it's just a little hectic. Actually, wait, are any of the guys down there yet from her season? I don't think so. Avin is when he comes down at the end. Correct.

That leads into the next episode. So I'm happy to see her down there And I would love to see her find someone on the beach I think that would be a great end to her story Everybody else are all All newer The newer seasons I would say Eliza coming back was surprising

Yeah I'm still surprised by that And I know the cast has been out for like a month And I'm still surprised by that for some reason So I'm really intrigued to see where it goes But I would imagine And I'm excited to eventually talk to her On the podcast this season I would imagine that she's just still hopeful

that this can work for her and she can find someone yeah yeah and then uh we have blake moines is back uh which we know the process does work for him just we know it works almost perfectly for him yeah uh so we'll see how he does so down on the beach i think the first it seems to be will seems to be the guy um that ever all the girls want to talk to right now yes and for those of you that don't remember will was on michelle's season and we had him on the podcast earlier if you want to take a listen to that. He is definitely a hot commodity. Told us a crazy story. I will tell you why he is a hot commodity. One of the reasons besides the fact that he's a good looking guy. I feel like it was similar for you're a bad example

because you freaked out the first day. But Will doesn't know any of these guys. And I feel like the guys, the girls do it too, but the girls cluster up. They hang out with their girlfriends, but they want to be pursued by the guys. And the guys cluster up and they hang out with their guy friends and it ends up being this like grade seven dance situation where like the guys are hanging out and the girls are hanging out they use each other as a clutch they use each other as a crutch yeah as a crutch yeah but will doesn't know anyone so he's like all right the guys are already bros i'm gonna go start chatting with the girls and that is how he's gotten himself into this love triangle with kiley and olivia that was my first bachelor in paradise because i went home night one

i didn't have any relationship with the guys down there so when i went down there i was was kind of same thing. I'm kind of, I'm kind of solo. And I feel like Blake also has that. And Braden has that a little bit too because Braden is now like I'm not even going to talk or hang out with the guys. He went straight for the women and are ready.

You have Aaron B is like talking shit about how Braden's going about it. And it's just like, I don't know if I agreed with Aaron in the situation. No, not this one. Because he was like, Braden came right down, didn't even say hi to us, when and right and talked to the girl. And like, okay, sure, you're going to come up and said hi, but you guys aren't friends. You don't get along.

You're not buddies. And the point is to find a relationship. So him coming down and talking right to the girls, like, I wouldn't categorize that as disrespectful to the guys. But I do understand Aaron being like, let's just bear the hatchet and like be pleasant. Well, then he could go up and say that. But the truth is it's like you live your life. Braden lives his life. You are really only there to find someone to potentially date or get engaged.

too. So work on that. But yes, I agree. That is why Will right now has the upper hand for sure. Yes. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, Like, you're not going to choose an adapted strategy, which is more effortful to use, unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it, if it's going to be beneficial to you.

Because it's easy to say, like, go you, go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress, seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just, like, walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier.

Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving. meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact, but the Myceles Brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy, are building an alternative to that. On the latest episode of Next Question with Katie Couric, I sat down with the brothers behind the Midas Touch Network to talk about how they built a progressive media powerhouse from the ground up, why audience interaction is the key to political influence and what it takes to fight disinformation at scale, one download at a time. We should be focusing on the issues that actually occupy a lot of the mental space in Americans' minds but are filled with conspiracies, and we should fill it with the truth and solutions.

Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Brightside podcast, and on this week's episode, I'm talking to Olympian, World Cup Champion, and podcast host Ashlyn Harris. My worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won, because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much that once it was over, I got the blues, and I was like, this is it. For me, it's the pursuit of greatness. It's the journey. It's the people. It's the failures. It's the heartache. Listen to The Bright Side on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And he's using it so we see like the main combo and if you watched, you heard it the entire episode, but the sucking toes, um, this, yeah, he, like, uh, are you okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm drawing a blink on her name. Oh, Olivia. Olivia, yeah. So basically Olivia asked, Will, like, would you suck my toes? And he was like, maybe. And they joked about it. And that was,

a running joke, but then they did make out. Olivia must have just made that comment, like, offhand as like a flirty joke. Like, little did this woman know that she was creating a storyline that was going to last an hour for us, a.k.a. like 24 hours for them. Yep. And then another, another person in this mix who is also one of the people that are highlighted a lot in this episode is Kylie, which we will have Kylie on the podcast this week. So Kylie's whole thing is she's waiting for AVEN. Oh, yeah.

Like her whole intro package, her whole like first hour on the beach, it's like, this girl is here for Avin. He's been liking her picks. He sent her a fire emoji. Like he's putting out the feelers like, hey, I'm interested in you. And like every girl knows it because every time someone comes down, they're like, oh, Kylie, it's not even yet. Like, this is a thing. Yep. Yep.

But no Aven. No Aven. so Kylie likes Will as well so she ends up later in the evening getting a date card asking Will Will says yes Olivia is now upset that they didn't bring it to her attention or pull her to the side and say anything

how do you feel about that because it is day one it is very early they had one kiss that was that it was probably too early to even do that It seems like that was forced. And now she's upset. Do you think she should be upset? I mean, I don't think I can sit here and say like she shouldn't be upset. Obviously, she liked him.

They had a moment. He kissed her, which I, when he did it, I was like, oh, I don't think he should have done that. I think that was a little bit quick on his part. But whatever, they kissed. So, yeah, I would be upset if I was in her position too. Would I have been as upset? No. Do I think that he owed her a conversation?

not really. That's what I that's how I should have phrased it because it does make it like I would be upset too if if I kiss somebody and then they go on a date right away. It makes sense that you're upset. And also like she didn't get a one-on-one on Zach's season. She didn't really have a connection with him. She comes down. This guy who everyone's kind of interested in her have a really fun playful conversation. They end up making out. She's probably excited and hopeful that like this is going to go somewhere. And immediately he goes on this date with Kylie, which like if he asked Kylie on the day, date. I think if I'm her, I'm way more upset. Kylie asked him. He said yes. They had also had a

conversation. Like, it's Paradise. You've only been there for a few hours. I don't think he owes anyone anything at this point. I think he could have pulled her to the side and said, I think he could have. I think he could have. I don't think she had to. I don't think Kylie had to, um, check him. No. The thing is is, we have no idea what their friendship is because they were both on the same season like if that was like Abigail like I probably would have pulled Abigail aside but if it was someone that like I didn't know that well and I wasn't that close with I probably wouldn't have yeah but I don't think they were friends before yeah I don't think they're that close either so now like let's let's play this out if it was me I'm I'm I'm trying to think how I want to say this if I am in

Kylie's position okay you and I like kiss on the first day and then I ask someone else on a date what do you do then if you're in olivia's position well a i don't act upset at all just bury your feelings just hide them i instantly bury my feelings and i and i probably go talk to somebody else immediately yeah and then just kind of move on but also you don't have to like it's not like that relationship see like i feel like olivia got so worked up over it, that now that relationship's totally dead, which I don't think it had to be. See, if I'm Olivia, I agree with you. I wouldn't bury my feelings. It feels really unhealthy, but I would probably be like this sucks. I'm doing my whole life. I'd probably be like this sucks.

I liked him. Like, I'm a bit embarrassed right now. Whatever, he's going on that date. It might go terribly. So I'm going to go talk to someone else, see if there's anyone else here I have a connection with and then find out when they get back if he's into her he's going to pursue her there there's anything still there with us and i'm definitely sitting there being like if avin comes down kiley is likely going to pursue that so i'm not trying to shut the door here on will yet but not according to kiley because kiley said even if justin beber walked down she would stay with will which i didn't believe that 100% bullshit i didn't believe that for a second kiley get out of here with Because if Kylie is willing to leave for Avin from the Bachelorette Rachel season, she will definitely leave for Justin Beaver.

A hundred percent. That's not even questionable. But yeah, so Will Kylie, they have a nice little date, but we all know. Wait, can we talk about Will falling in the pool? Yeah, so I was going to get to. Oh, sorry. Will falls in the pool. Awkward.

He was all upset about it. I mean, I think he could have had a little more fun with that because, you know, whatever. I honestly think he, like, scared himself. Yeah. You know, when the floor falls out from under you, like that feeling? Like, I think he freaked himself out a little bit. Well, he was really embarrassed. Well, yeah, he's drenched on a first date with this girl.

I mean, she didn't see it. And she was super nice about it and handled it really well. But I mean, yeah, he could have laughed it off a little bit more, but I think he was really embarrassed. Yeah. And then do we have any other? We have like little connections. We see Cat and Braden. Looks like that could be something.

You want me to list off the relationships that we got going? Yeah, yeah. All right. So we got Kat and Braden, who I actually like that. Yeah. I think that's fun. She seems like she's a little like high maintenance in terms of the bugs and the sand and the water and the heat, which like I don't really blame her. It's kind of hectic down there.

And he's good at just kind of being like, it's okay. It's okay. So they're cute. We've got Rachel and Hotchon. We've got Blake and Jess, who honestly, we barely saw that situation. We barely saw any of these people. They all kind of came out of nowhere at the end for me. Aaron S. and Sam, which kind of makes sense to me,

despite the fact that I don't really know either of them that well. Yeah. And then Aaron. They kind of look. They look like they're an equal match. Yes, they look really good together. Yeah. They look good together.

And then Aaron B and Mercedes. Wait. No, Aaron B and Eliza. Yeah. I don't have Aaron be a Mercedes. Is there a Mercedes on the show? Yeah, it was Mercedes. We interviewed her.

Oh, yes, yes, yes, Mercedes. Who is Mercedes talking to? Hmm. Maybe no one yet. So a couple of the floaters we got are Greer, Brooklyn, Cat, Peter, Olivia. Hot Sean and Rachel, right? Hot Sean and Rachel.

I like that. That's not going anywhere. No, of course not, but I like it for now. I wanted to. I wanted to. And then we got the pilot Pete, pilot Pete, which we can't have another pilot Pete. No, it's so confusing. When I heard someone go, oh, Pilot Pete's here.

I was like, what? Did I seriously miss something? And then I was like, oh, it's not actually Pilot Pete. You can't do that. There is only one Pilot Pete, and that's Peter Weber. But this Pilot Pete that's on this season. We've got to call him Pete. If anything, he's Pete the pilot.

Let's just call him Pete. I can't do Pilot Pete. I literally immediately think Peter Weber. yeah um this pete was very open to sucking olivia's toes yeah i all i don't there's definitely a story with him because we saw at the after after the rose or whatever show that was the mental all for charity season we saw the drama with him there's definitely more to his story so i'm curious to see what happens um yes he definitely rubbed some guys the wrong way because we know we know that Aaron S.

does not like him. Yes, and he's been vocal about it. So something obviously happens with those guys. And yeah, I think that sums it up. I mean, we could talk a little more about Will falling in the water.

I mean, there's not much word to say. Yeah, and we do see clips. We see the trailer for the rest of that season. And we see Will crying, which we know, oh, let's get to the end.

Avan comes down. Yes. which predictable know he's coming down we know he is there most likely to talk to Kylie imagine he comes down and like doesn't talk to Kylie at all that would be so crazy well it also looks like he may talk to Olivia I mean here's the thing he's going to come down he's going to pull a bunch of girls yeah and then he's probably going to ask Kylie on a date and she's probably going to go which is going to cause will and Olivia some emotions yeah and I feel like will's then going to go back to Olivia Olivia it's going to be it's going to be

similar to that Romeo situation. Remember Romeo from last season when he hopped around a bunch? Yes. And then yeah, I feel like that's kind of where, where this is going. And then we can't forget that when Avan comes down, that's the first guy from Rachel's season that will be on the beach.

And he went far. I mean, he was what, her second runner up? He was up there. And then remember they brought him back. at the after the Rose show when Tino was sitting there. Yes. I would say if I had the guess,

well, do you think they're on good terms? I would say they definitely are on some kind of terms. Like they've definitely, but I'm saying like they have definitely, it's, they definitely have spoken after. Yes, definitely.

And clearly nothing has come out of it. So I would assume that they're good. I would also assume that Avan will pull Rachel first. I would. hope that he pulls her, at least to just have a conversation of like a, hey, I'm here, you're here situation. I think it would be awkward if he like pulled a bunch of girls and then like left on a date and like didn't talk to her. I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking. Do you think

that would be awkward? I'd be like you're not even going to acknowledge her. Like only because if he was like number seven or eight, I would say no, don't pull her because then it's kind of weird. But since he was her, one of her top, top guys, maybe, yeah, he should probably pull her. Yeah. I would think he does. Well, we're going to have to wait and see. I'm hoping that next episode we see more of the other couples because it seems like a lot of relationships are forming. And as much as the Olivia Kylie will love triangle is quite entertaining, I want to see where the other relationships are going as well.

Yeah, me too. So that's pretty much a recap on both episodes. So make sure to stay tuned because on Monday we are dropping an episode with Kylie and on Tuesday we are dropping an episode with Faith. So you don't want to miss it. Check it out here. That's your happy hour. Bye. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast.

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