Bachelor Happy Hour - Ally Lewber: ‘Perfect Match,’ Astrology Stelliums, and Dating Updates — Part 1

Episode Date: June 16, 2026

Today on “Happy Hour,” Charity and Rachel are joined by Ally Lewber from “Perfect Match”! Ally is here to dive into her experience filming, reunion thoughts, and so much more. We kick things off by getting into why Ally chose to do the show and how Rachel guided her before. Then, we unpack where Ally and Jimmy stand today, what it was like filming 24/7 in the house, and, of course, the reunion. Ally is giving her honest thoughts and we’re here for her. Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode, including part two dropping next week!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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that I saw you was at Miami Swim Week, which by the way, you absolutely crushed it. I was like, period. Ellie. That was so good. Thank you. I mean, that was seriously so fun. Like that was so fun. But one of the scariest, like, I don't, I've never walked. Well, I've walked when I was younger, but like nothing like that, you know, but like doing that also in a swimsuit. I was like, okay, I just did this, like on Netflix. I can walk down a runway. Just get it. Absolutely. I was like, yeah, you just did a whole series where you were in swimsuits like every day, every hour. Wow, literally. Look, absolutely incredible. And we are so proud of you. I watched Perfect Match, obviously. And I thought you did so good. So for those who don't know, let's get into Perfect

Match a little bit. Tell us why. And I would also love to know, Asher. astrologically why you decided to do perfect match. Honestly, Rachel, I think if I didn't talk to you, I don't know. No, you can't put this on me. Rachel's like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm 100% responsible. No, honestly, though, like, because I remember we were like hanging out and you were telling me all about it, like your experience and how fun it was.

but like you were kind of going through it because you had just gotten back to. But then it was actually weird because like a week later, my manager, Carly, you know, reached out with the opportunity. And I was like, okay, well, like Rachel was just telling me about it and it sounded really fun. And I think I was definitely intrigued by the idea. I had never done a dating show, you know, like you guys. But I definitely was intrigued because this one sounded, like perfect match sounded more. And even you were like, it's fun.

like go in and just have fun and I was like that was the energy that I was in or like wanting to be in. And you know, even like the production or whoever it was, the casting team that I was talking to, they were like, it's fun. Like it's meant to be fun and it's an experiment. But like, you know, there's no pressure of anything. And I just wanted to go in and be like, can I even form a crush? Like I, you know what I mean? So I was definitely hesitant. because I'm not, believe it or not, I'm usually pretty shy and, like, reserved.

That's so funny. Not like really? No, honestly. You like, that's what I was saying. I was like, I was going to ask if you had any hesitations because I was like, it seemed like you just went in and like you were like fully yourself, which I can appreciate. No, truly. Like, it's like a compliment.

Like I feel like you were not putting on. You were just like existing as is, which obviously like I feel like that's what made the show. Thank you. It definitely, I mean, a lot of people are like, oh my God, you're so different from like Vanderpump Alley. And I'm like, well, I would hope so. I mean, I was in like a serious relationship. And also, you know, you're still living your everyday life. Like it was more a lifestyle show. I was, you know, sleeping in my own bed. I was still hanging out with my friends. And I'm just there to like support my boyfriend. This was like spring break in Mexico cameras on you 24-7. So it's like I would hope that I'd be a little, a little different.

But yeah, I definitely think the moment I got there, I was just like, okay, like, I really did forget the cameras were there. That's so good. It's fun. I had fun. But yeah, definitely a different experience for sure. More watching it back. Watching it back was hard. Hard.

Yeah. I don't know. But also like at the same time, like you guys know me. My friends know me. My family knows me. So they're like, you're just being you. So it is almost. like freeing now being on the other side of like, okay, well, you know, that's me without the

Saturn in my first house of always trying to, you know, make sure I'm like put together and everything is like perfect. But instead, it's like, no, this is like raw, real. I'm not great at dating. So that was that. But would you say was like the hardest part like while you were filming? Was it like, because I think you talked about it a lot like being indecisive and like. I can feel like or I can imagine like in that setting where you're like having to choose or you're having to make a choice of like, okay, like who do I match with and who am I more compatible with? Like how, how was that for you?

The Libra moon was Libra. It really was. And then, and Rachel, you know those. But like I'm also, I have for the astrology people out there, an Aquarius delium all in my 12th house. Aquarius is very, they march to the beat of their own drum. They're very detached. And so dating in general for like Aquarius venuses or just Aquarius is in general. It's it takes time.

It's and it's also like they're very weird, quirky, but like specific with the type of people that they're drawn to usually. It never is like the same pattern, I guess. But it's all living in my 12th house. So I think the hardest part, the 12th house in astrology is like seclusion, privacy. see. It is like, let me go in my bedroom, lock my door and journal or like write music. Like, what am I feeling? And so that's how I'm used to processing my emotions and where I'll make my decisions. So that was the hardest part for sure. Like you guys, I mean, obviously being on The Bachelor, like you guys had to also make decisions. So like I think I don't

like you guys did that. I don't know. Yeah. I was going to say, perfect match. You do not get to I don't have a little bit. Because on The Bachelor, I would journal and you had those moments where people would be on dates. You went off time. Perfect Match is 24-7 on when you're in the house, which you were from the beginning. And I love, I think also it's so interesting because perfect matches never had someone from Bravo come into this universe. And it was so refreshing to watch you go in and really be yourself and just not know the cameras were there because I think a lot of people can put it on. And you are so yourself. self the whole time. Thanks. Yeah. I definitely, yeah, usually you crash out in private, but that was all this. But there's no option because you're like, no, Rachel, like, even when I would go in the room or like try to have a minute, they'd be like back out. Like we were not really encouraged to always be out of the room. But even the rooms, there's still cameras. But like, yeah, it was really hard. They took my Kendall. So it's like I really didn't. I was like nothing, literally nothing, which like usually I would I feel like I'd be fine like actually like the beginning part when I was in a hotel for like a day or two in Mexico like I still had Netflix but I had my I had my candle but like a beautiful view of the ocean and a balcony and like that was fine but when you are encouraged to always be like interacting um yeah I was by the end my I was just spent like my battery was just kind of done uh so that was the hardest.

part, probably not getting those moments to really even process what I was feeling. Reality TV is just so interesting because it's not a normal human experience at all, but it's also kind of fascinating in a way where it does test your own abilities in a way. Like, do you know what I mean? It's almost like how well do you know yourself or like trust yourself, like to be able to make these choices to be able to do X, Y, Z and not like have regrets. And it's okay if you do, but it's like I totally like get the sense of like once you're on the other side of it. It's like, ah, like you really have more information than you did in that

current moment. It's like, ah, did I make the right choice? But it's hard not to like, you know, beat yourself up about it. It's just like you did your best with what was presented at that current time. Totally. Yeah. I learned a lot about myself and how it's okay to make a decision and, you know, not necessarily regret it, hopefully, but it's okay if you do also. Yeah. Yeah. That's hard because I always, and you get it, Rachel, I'm sure, like with your Capricorn labor placements. Like my Capricorn is like a lot of pressure, wanting to make the right choice. And charity's a Capricorn too.

Are you? I was like, I need you to like dissect me a little bit. Oh my God. Yes. Because, okay, do you know your moon and rising? Yes. So my moon is Aries and my rising is Scorpio. Oh my God, love.

Okay. So you're a water rising like me, but I love that you have a fire moon because that's, you have that emotional boundary. so that's nice. Correct. But then it's. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, our Libra moon is over here.

No, we cannot. It's like I literally just want everyone to be happy. Like I actually was like, send me home. Like I don't know. I don't care. Like no, I know. It broke my heart when I saw that. I was like, oh my God, no, Ali like is like about like the weight is on her.

I was like, it's okay. Like you don't have to make a choice right now. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And that's like there's so many little things that. later, obviously again, it's TV, right? The camera men are there.

They need to go to bed too. Like, it's a whole production, but it is, you know, no one should ever feel like, you know, not having a decision is a decision and not knowing is. Absolutely. But yeah, in that moment, I wish that I handled it a little bit differently. But, wait, Rachel, you're at Capricorn Rising, right? I am. Yeah, okay.

Yeah. But I want to talk about, okay, before we get into kind of like, the end of it all. And if you want to go there, whatever you were comfortable talking about, I want to talk about going in. You met Jimmy. What was that like? What drew you to him? What's his astrologer? Like, what's his placement? Are you guys compatible? Um, I honestly don't really like, okay, what drew me to him? I feel like I almost, when I like the very first day, like, again, And I just feel like I was on a completely different page than everyone or like got a different rulebook because I was totally like and this I was more like, oh my God, the girls.

Like I feel like that's also just my like first. I'm like I want to like we're the girls. Yeah. That that's kind of the safe comfort, I think, level. Even Rachel, I'm sure like you, because you know, you have to like share a bed with them at night and things like that. And it's kind of just like an un. Yeah, it's not normal.

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And, again, you don't have TV. You don't have Spotify. Like, there's no music. There's no noise. You're just sitting in this quiet room, like, waiting for production to wake you up. Like, I would lay in bed like this. Like, I know. I'm waking up.

Like, it took me a while to get comfortable. Yeah. And I feel like I went into, like, hyper like okay we're trauma bonding like no you're literally my husband cuddle me like I was just like zero to 100 real like come here I need snuggles yes yes and um yeah it's a weird situation but also like no it was fun the first my first like vibe of jimmy was I thought he was cute I had never seen love is blind so I didn't know because you know how he had like the glow up I didn't know was before. I was like, oh my gosh, he's really cute. He kind of looked like my type, just like,

face, like, I don't know. And we, he was really easy to talk to and more charming than I, than the other guys were not in a, just like, to me, I felt like kind of biving. Um, but also we only have like 10 minutes, literally to talk to everyone before Nickla Shea came in and just started the games. So like I didn't really ever, you know, it's kind of a, yeah, yeah, just kind of talk. You're like, okay, well, we talked for 10 minutes and I liked that. So it's like, I pick you. And I don't know. But I can say this now, but I kind of knew too from the beginning.

I was like, okay, so you go un hopeful. I'm like, what if my soulmate is here, you know? Yeah. That's so exciting. What if? But I kind of knew immediately. I was like, probably not. And that's okay.

But it's weird how you catch feelings, like quickly. I was going to ask, like, obviously you guys kind of connect very early on. But do you feel like there was a point where like y'all's real or you personally felt that maybe we didn't see the relationship start to plateau or you felt like you weren't getting what you needed from him to feel like okay this makes sense. This is my person. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I felt like we had a really strong connection when it was just us. And then the part that got confusing and again, Libra Moon, he was like telling everyone else. And they don't show this much.

And that's fine. It's like not, you know, but basically a lot of the girls in the house were starting to kind of tell me like, hey, he's saying different things to us than to you. He's telling classy things that are different than what he's telling you. And there were moments throughout the show that I'm surprised, honestly, didn't make it where people would almost like would call him out and ask him about it. And then he would like talk his way out of it. And I was just so confused because I was like, it's also fine because Jimmy and I were always on the same page of like let's be open. Yeah.

Until there was a part where I was like, okay, I do like you. Like I'm down to like let's close this and like, you know, be together and give it a fair shot. Instead of it, it's just going to get messier as it did. But yeah, I think it just everything got a little confusing with the whole like he said, she said within our relationship. We're now looking back again. I wish that I was a little more just like trust. my own. But that's hard because if he is, I don't know, it was, no, for sure. It was a poster. Yeah.

Was it like that for you, Rachel on it? Like, were you getting? Because I wanted to say, my season was a little different. And the advice I gave Allie going into it was just to be open and meet everyone and see if there's a connection. Because on my season, it was like day one, coupled up, and that was it. No one else switched but me. And I, I, I, I, I, I, I, think from my point of view when I was watching it, your season was a little bit more willing to switch around, which can be confusing. So I was wondering how you were handling that because I remember I would lay in bed specifically when I was matched with this guy, Scott. And I'm like, he was literally playing the game. But like, I don't know what's happening. Is he trying to stay

another week? But then he would choose me again. And I'm like, what is going on here? It's so confusing because everyone's trying to stay in the house, but then you're trying to actually find a connection. Right. Yeah. Also, like, the whole, like, staying in the house thing, because I feel like I see so many comments where people are like, they just want to stay in the house. Honestly, like, it would have been fine to leave the house. Like, I think that's what I said. I'm like, I want to leave the whole lot. You have to film all the time. You're always miced. You have no phone, no alone time. like I was at like midway. I was like, I'll go to the hotel.

Like it's fine. The hotel seemed like a vacation. Everyone in our hotel had so much fun. Yes. And they did. I remember you telling me that too. You're like, I think that they had more fun back at the hotel. And I'm like, same with like our cast.

I think that that was kind of the, because there wasn't the pressure. But that's funny that you, yeah, I remember you saying stay open. And I remember watching your season and thinking the same thing from a, from an audience. perspective, I was like, the point of the show is to like test your match. And I definitely feel I did that. And I'm glad I did that. Really, no regrets in the sense of, you know, the mess of it all. But I remember you telling me that. And so the whole time. And I remember like a few times and I did get my phone, like calling you and like trying to give you updates. And you're like, just stay open. Have fun and be yourself. And I was like, and you did. I was so proud of you.

I think you really made the show for me. You were so entertaining to watch. You were hilarious. And you were doing what you were supposed to do. Thank you. Thank you. I thought you were incredible. Because that's like, and also I think Jimmy and I did actually really like each other. And it doesn't show like even on our, the last date, I was so shocked watching it. And this is like, you know, we're all, we've all done reality TV.

We know how it goes. And you get this. They build the story and you get the edit you get. But like, we had so much fun on that date. And I was actually so excited to go on that date with him. but it definitely looked more like I was kind of hesitant when really at the end I was just like whatever like this has been a train rack and I'm just going to let my emotions be my emotions and even everyone in the house knew that I was like happy to be back with Jimmy and that I did miss him

when he was gone. So it was but it was an interesting just layout of every, I don't know, it's an emotional test. Yeah. Where do you guys, you and Jimmy? like stand today like friend we're on different journey different planets oh god that's valid honestly different planet is truly I appreciate that I was like not really like we yeah we we had chemistry but the compatibility and like our values were just never aligned like we were never on the same page with a lot of like our deep values. So we,

I think we knew deep down it wasn't, but we did try. Like after the show is such a weird, you get out of that experience and that person's like your best friend. And we tried and we had a lot of fun. You met my friends and like we're good. But like, no. I love that. I don't know if I loved him for you. I think you are just so fun. And I don't know Jimmy personally, but I'm, I'm happy that, you know, you get to have these. I would say the same. And go your own way. I love it.

Yeah, yeah. I was like, I think there's a little bit of like, we could see, like, energy levels. We're not necessarily, like, always matching. And that's not a bad thing. But, like, you know, sometimes you need the opposite. But I was like, yeah, I just don't. Yeah. And you guys saying that is kind of, well, also I know you guys,

but also that was kind of the sentiment of the girls in the house as well. Like, that was kind of what I was hearing too. And so, yeah, but that we're just different. Yeah. Yeah. Can we talk about a little, Allie, the finale? Because I want to know where your head's at just emotionally because I remember going into our finale.

I was in such a new relationship. I was like just ready for the show to be over and to know him outside the show. And then you have to sit in front of these people. And you have to say, oh, we're the perfect match. Even though in my head at the time of like, we're not. not the perfect match, but I have to say this. Like, where was your head? Because you were kind of in a similar position.

I honestly, like, I mean, I knew Jimmy and I weren't going to win. I don't think we want. I got last place, like, every challenge. Like, I was like, I'm definitely not here for the game after. Like, I think we all, yeah, I was there to have fun. And those challenges, they were fun. But, you know, I feel like, okay, even DeMari and Marissa, and like, they would not mind me saying this, but they from the beginning were like, we want to win all the challenges.

We're here to win. Like, game brain on. Competitive mentality. I love good. You'll like me then because you can have it. I don't think I even like the reunion for me was not about being like we're the perfect match, but more of just I was actually so excited to be at the reunion with Jimmy. I really thought I would like never see him again.

after he like set himself home. And that was a wake-up call too because the next day it was like, oh, fuck, I like him. You know, that's like the worst and best feeling. But, you know, when you're like, oh, I have emotions, you know. And so I was excited to just like be there with him. And I felt like our journey even, like, deserved it. But, yeah, that reunion was tough. I didn't think we would when.

I was actually surprised that afterwards, like, our friends said they voted for us. I was like, really? I thought that was sweet, but we did put in some elbow grease there. Yeah. Yeah. Pride Months, Toronto. Pride is an opportunity for you to create your own space, to celebrate your existence. IHeartRadio is proud to be an official sponsor of Pride Toronto Festival, and we won't stop. Celebrate Pride. Turn up the love and listen to IHeart Pride Canada, your 24-7 radio stream and the only place. list you need for your Toronto Pride celebrations.

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Well, I thought you handled it as best you could. And it's just such a, that finale, it's difficult also because I feel, and this is my opinion, that you're sitting there, you're kind of like ready for it to be done. And it feels like the people who were not inside the house, they're like, okay, well, lights camera action. This is my screen time. So I'm going to say whatever I can say to get on camera. Do you feel like your cast minutes were similar? Yes, that's such a good. Yeah, because, yeah, you go.

in yeah because i i remember like we were all so excited to like go out after or no no that was the next night because i don't know if fears was like this rachel but oh my god that night because you go do the reunion then we have to like drive to do the actual like voting which by the way took hours like we were literally filming or not filming but like working until like 7 a m like all throughout the night which was they're the worst time of my life by the way terrible but um yeah like we were all just so excited to be done and to be demiked and free and then even like when Hashim like brought up what he brought up like you can see in my face like I'm like what's he going to say like I genuinely was like huh and I was like yeah oh we did like what like it was just

yeah I think we all were in completely different mindsets like going into it but I also understand like from his perspective and I'm sure production was involved, you know, and yeah, all of that. So I get it. I don't have to love the situation to accept it, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Were there any conversations that were had in the D-Miked hotel period? Because for us, that's when everything, like, actually got brought up.

And that was a hard time for me. That's nice. That was, oh, like when you guys were like together. Oh, wow. It was like after we had filmed, you all stay in the hotel because then you film everything post because you can't know who's there before. Right. And I feel like that was a rough, turbulent time for my cast. Did you feel like you guys were just having a good time after or were feelings being brought up?

I am not like no, no like as they should, but they all had so much fun after their reunion. I didn't. I was definitely left feeling just like, well, you know, like judged and embarrassed and all of those feelings. But it does it, I was like, I really liked Jimmy and I was excited. We were like back together. And, um, and this is just my experience. But I felt like, you know, the way that it was handled. Um, you always like, you know, and you like think of like, how would you want your friend to be treated? Or if you have like a little sister or someone like that. And it's like, I just, didn't have like the support. I think that I did from the girls and that was great, but everyone had

their match or was like so excited to just be like done. Like everyone went out. I think I had to go film. Yeah, I had to go do like confessinals or testimonials while everyone else was like having fun and I had to like go talk about this thing that I didn't want to talk about. But you know, it is what it is. And I did not do in my opinion anything wrong. And I think like what yeah. Like, and I think like, yeah. Like, And I think to what you just said, Rachel, too, like, I never had alone time with Jimmy without a mic or cameras. And you know, they, like, keep you so separated to make sure that we don't talk if it's not on camera. So I also, like, never had a chance to really, one, process everything. Everything moves quickly and slowly at the same time.

And then, too, I never had a chance to just, like, have a moment to actually talk to Jimmy about everything. than that night, you know? So it was just kind of like a blindsided emotion for me. But yeah, I'm just happy that it's over. And it's kind of sad only in the way that like I thought the experience was so fun. And then the ending just left a bad taste in my mouth. Yeah. That's put it to.

Jesus. Sorry. See everything. It's like I just. And I also learned that it's okay to not always say everything that you think. Yeah. But also like the editing of the reunion blew my mind. I was like, wow.

Because it just went down so differently. And yeah. What was different that wasn't shown? So like when Hashim brought it up, Jimmy was super reactive and not in a, and I get it. Yeah. I probably would have. I probably honestly and I was even you know because we're miced but I was like stop we literally have like five minutes left like we can talk after like lock in let's get through this like are you on my team or not you know and he just wasn't he like got up and was like that's not my match and was like joking and talking to people while I'm literally like what the fuck just happened like you know I just was in that moment feeling really shitty and like yeah um you know Hashim and Jimmy like later that night were like joking and talking while I was just like in the corner like

oh I don't like that yeah that's crazy it was really shitty and honestly I should have even known in that moment too of like this is not my person but your mind is just so I was just so sensitive at the time with like everything where it's like I felt bad and I was trying to explain to Jimmy everything where you know now looking back yeah they need to do that and I you know you know, but I think I just, yeah, I felt I was in the wrong and I felt bad and, you know, was it proud of my own decisions? But again, like, yeah, time perspective. I think it's weird watching it back and just seeing how different the night appeared versus how it really was. But that's, you know, reality TV. It's what we sign up for. I understand that. But, yeah.

Was there like at any point did like in like either one of them like offer like support or just like kind like I guess kind dish words? I don't even know. Jimmy came over at like one point and was like trying to to talk to me. Hashim didn't. And yeah, I wasn't. Yeah, I definitely didn't feel like support from the guys. Dave, maybe a little. But it was all like the girls like I was. I was okay.

I was more, and even like production, I was just really like, wow, like I, I just felt kind of like, what a joke. Like, I really did what was asked of me. I went and I did the thing and I had fun. And like that naive to not only the cameras and production, but even just to the people that I've surrounded myself with. Like, where the fuck is the empathy? Like, that's crazy.

And I didn't match with Jimmy. I was matched with the shame. That's the dynamic of the show. and we drink and we go to a room and, you know, and it's like to ensure I could have handled that night differently. But I didn't. And I think at that time, it just was a lot of emotions and feelings because I didn't like him, Jimmy at this point.

And so I was just like, felt bad. Yeah. But yeah, I think watching it back was just, it's just wild. different. And then to hear the audience, like, a lot of comments will be like, oh, my God, like, I feel bad for Jimmy. And I'm like, me too, watching it. I'm like, yeah. Like, I get it. That edit, you know, it looks like, lied or like whatever. But it's like the reality is just, you know, not really room with us. Yeah, yeah. I will say when I was there and production was talking to us, because they come in and we all talk, it was very much like, from what they told us,

happening in the bedroom, like, unless you're having like an insane conversation, we would get like a clip of us in the room as we went to bed and then nothing else was really shown. There was a lot happening in our villa. Like it's a show. Like you said, you're going into this room. You're dating. Like it happens on The Bachelor. Yeah. It feels like production really kind of threw the cast under the bus a little this season with those intimate moments that I don't know needed to necessarily be shown. I think there's a lot you can imply from going into a room. And I feel like specifically with the night that you're talking about, I do feel like production maybe could have been like, all right.

Like, this is pretty heated. Like, you know, it felt like they were really not on the side as much as they were on my season. Well, yeah, thank you for saying that, Rachel. I was shocked too. They also told us like, you know, when you first get into the house, they give you a little tour and they give you the rules. And they're like, yeah, there's cameras. but we angle them up at a certain time in the night and it's not that type of show.

And I had watched your season like to prepare. Yeah, it's not that type of show. And of course, we sign our life away. I get it. I know. And we're aware. I know. But unless you're really in that situation, I remember like watching Love Island and

you're a season and you think, oh, my God, I would never feel comfortable doing that. I would never act that way. But then you're in the moment. And eventually the cameras are always there. and you are drinking and you do feel like you're literally best friends with these people. It's a weird mind fuck. It just is. And like, so you do get comfortable.

And yeah, I definitely was shocked at a lot. Like even them just in me, even hearing me say, like my mom having to hear me say like I have planned it to my 8,000 or not in the morning. I was like, oh my God. Like what? Well, first of all that was iconic. But like they were showing so much in the bedroom. I'm like on my seat when they would show like clip of me making out. I was like, I was like, this is terrific.

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