Bachelor Happy Hour - And That’s a Wrap on ‘Paradise’!

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

Joe and Serena discuss the episode we’ve all been waiting for: the “Bachelor in Paradise” finale! Our not-so-singles are leaving the beach, and Joe and Serena have many thoughts on this unique season. They dive into each couple’s end in “Paradise,” the drama and love that got them each there, and their predictions for what’s to come for each of them as the beach officially closes.    Listen now and be sure to follow so you never miss an episode.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you. When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier.

Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Complex problem solving. Takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. What happens when three brothers take on right-wing media and start winning? I find out on the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric.

We just want people to live their lives and be happy and be able to enjoy it without some, you know, lunar. tick screaming in their face every three seconds listen to next question with me katie currick on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts hey everyone welcome back to batch your happy hour i'm joe and i'm serena and we are here to recap the bachelor in paradise finale i feel like it's been a minute since we did an episode recap yeah it feels that way since before thanksgiving i think i can't believe paradise is over i know it is crazy I'm already looking forward to next season. I know, Joey's season.

The teaser looks really good. I'm excited. Oh, you know what I mentioned to you? I'm surprised that Johnny wasn't there from last year. Yeah. You know, I said that? Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't go back as well. I thought about that during this finale.

I don't know why I didn't think about it all during the season, but yeah, I'm kind of shocked by that. Maybe next year. Maybe. You never know. Yeah. Okay, should we, how are you feeling? You feeling good? I feel good. I feel good. I feel like there was a lot of episodes I actually really loved in this season. The finale wasn't my favorite episode of the season, but I feel like there's still a lot to talk about.

Well, I think we knew the finale wasn't going to be like over the top because none of those couples were like super strong. And that I think that's what happens. And that's why there was so many entertaining episodes midseason because people were just kind of like dating everyone running around. Yeah, it made for a good, like, mid-season. Yeah. But the end, I feel like I was like, I kind of know where things are going here. The only thing, the only couple that I would say was really, really up in the air was Avin and Kylie. Yeah. And even the way it ended it, it still kind of ended a little up in the air. But we'll talk about it.

Yeah, let's get into it. All right. So we started off. Five people went home in the last episode of the Rose ceremony. A lot of people. And Mercedes and Jess are kind of. of like opening the episode feeling kind of depressed. Yeah, almost like why are they still there?

They probably should have went home as well with the whole crew. Yeah. I feel like at this point in the season, usually what happens is if the person that you've been dating the whole time and you break up, it's kind of your cue to leave. Yeah. And I know that both of them, like, you know, Jess had a moment with Tanner and Mercedes had a moment with Jordan V. Well, I will say Mercedes and Jordan V, I could see Mercedes sticking around over Jess because Jordan V did just get there, where Tanner has kind of been there the whole time.

That's true. But at the same time, it's like, you have an idea that things are coming to an end. Well, yeah. I don't know. I thought, yeah, I agree. I think it made more sense that Jess left. I think it just took her the day to cut a process. Yeah, I think it, yeah.

But when I was looking at her and Tanner, I was like, I don't think anything is going to go down here on this beach for the two of you. Do you think if Tanner would have taken Jess out instead of cat when he first got down to the beach, things may have been different? Yeah, potentially. But it's hard to know because it's like, do they even actually have a connection? Because Tanner's gone for so many girls now. I can't figure out if he actually has a connection with any of these girls or he just is like really keen on finding his person and is willing to like give it a try. with anyone he thinks is pretty do you know what i mean like is it i feel like he's not led like

connection first he's like let's give it a try and then let's see if there's a connection there well i thought him i thought him and davia had what seemed to be like a connection and that me too but he dropped her in like a day that well or maybe she dropped him we don't know no we do know because she said in the episode like i don't know what's going on i thought we had a great date oh yeah okay well then yeah yeah no i i i didn't really get that i i know he was interested in Jess. I know Jess was interested in him. And I think he was interested in her from the beginning. I wish if we could go back in time, I wish he'd taken Jess on that day.

Yeah, me too. Because I do think that things might have been different. Yeah. But unfortunately, they both leave. They both end up leaving. Kat and John Henry get a date card. They go on their paddleboarding date and kind of like open up. Kat opens up.

But the fact that she moved out at 17, there's a lot of divorces. remarriages and her family and John Henry opens up about his struggles with depression so definitely like they're having more serious conversations yeah they're getting closer they and they've touched on this a bunch I think just during the season but they are both very different people um and I think that I think that usually works at the beginning of a relationship and then I think things get tricky I think some differences are good I think it's hard like they the whole thing opposites attract has been proven to like not work out like you're more compatible with people you're more similar with yeah and i think they're very different they have great chemistry

like i really like watching them together they seem like they have a lot of fun they get along well they're like opening up and having these deep conversations it's just whether it's transferable into the outside world and it's been such a short amount of time like more than anything that is my biggest concern for them is like we have couples like erin and eliza have been together since day two David and Kylie day two John Henry and Kat have been together for like I don't know three episodes maybe

yeah but they seem stronger than Aaron B and Eliza to be honest they seem really into each other yeah they do Aaron B and Eliza I will say watching them during the season at that beginning it seemed like they were the strongest couple

and then every single time they were on our screen it seemed like they were struggling it seemed like they were just constantly having the same conversation and it just seemed like it was Aaron B basically saying like I like every step like I'm falling in love with you I want me to be my girlfriend I'm falling in love with you I'm in love with you but like we never actually saw the love yes I know what you mean like we're seeing them express their feelings but we're not really seeing how they got there like I feel like okay they said they're falling so they get a date as well they go on this like spiritual sweat house date

and they say they're falling in love with each other. But I'm like, well, how did we get here? Like, I didn't see you guys fall in love at all. All we know is Erin B knows that she likes bacon in the morning because it says like constantly. And like eggs over hard, scrambled or something like that. And that's the only time we even see them together is like in the morning and then when they have a discussion at night. Yeah. Which seems to just be, it always goes the same way.

So, yeah, I mean. It's hard. It's hard to kind of gauge that relationship. But, I mean, it does seem like they're heading for engagement in this episode. Yeah. So Jess ends up leaving. Mercedes leaves. No, Mercedes leaves.

Well, Mercedes hasn't left yet, but she does end up leaving. Yeah. Kylie tells Avin she wants an engagement and he does not. This consumed a ton of the episode. Yeah. For good reason. It's like the main event of the finale. Yeah, they're, I mean,

They've been together probably, yeah, the longest besides Aaron B and Eliza. Yeah, but they, they haven't, even and Kylie, like, she went on a date with him day two. She ended things with well. And they've been just, like, ride and steady the whole time. Like, I haven't seen them really getting any fights. I haven't really seen them at all, if I'm being totally honest. But they haven't got, actually, they've been on two dates. Yeah.

They had two one-on-one dates because they had that double date with Peter. Yeah. And Sam. Yeah. And I just feel like it's hard because they haven't really like had any challenges or obstacles, but this is kind of the first one that we're seeing is they don't agree on how they want to leave paradise. Kylie wants to leave engaged. Avon does not. Yeah.

And like it's hard because I actually like watching it, I'm not like in complete, like I'm not in disagreement with Avon because like what he's saying does make a lot of sense. but like in the same breath you know what show you are continuously going on like this is your second time around like it is about an engagement so if you guys aren't there yet that's fine but have you taken the steps to get there and like if avin came on the show and like doesn't matter how hard he fell in love if he was just always going to refuse in it and engagement like I guess that's okay as long as his significant other always knew about it and I'm not sure if Kylie did yeah I have a feeling Kylie didn't know how against an engagement even was until now and he didn't realize how important it was to her I think they both thought like

yeah we'll figure it out like Kylie kind of wants one I'm not really into it and now they're realizing And they're on, like, totally opposite spectrums. See, but that I don't know if I buy because Avin doesn't strike me as someone that would be holding that in. He seems pretty open. Like, it doesn't seem like he was hiding that. Like, I feel like. So maybe she wasn't because she has expressed, like, she has just kind of agreed with him in a lot of the discussion so that it doesn't end up in a fight. So maybe, like, this is the first time now that she's, like, really putting her foot down on it.

And he's like, where is this coming from? That's what I think. I think that's more likely the case. I don't There's a few things with this So like I agree with you in the sense that like Avin this is your second show You know how the show ends

You know they end in engagements I don't think he was open to an engagement On either time On the bachelor's out with Rachel or on this And I don't know if he ever would have gotten engaged on the show And it's kind of like this You know that's okay But it is a show for engagement

So you can't be like shocked when Rachel wants you to propose And you can't be shocked when Kylie wants you to propose Yeah Because these shows do end engagement. For sure. Right? So it's like you have to be prepared to like have these conversations and like expect that there's a chance of the person you're dating is like I don't understand.

I'm here to get engaged and find my fiance. Unless Kylie was on the same page with him the entire time. Yes, unless she wasn't being open about that and now he's feeling blindsided. At the same time, I think that you can leave not engaged. But I think he's not being fully honest in the sense he can. keep saying to her, like, I know you're the one. I know I want to marry you. I'm 100%, but I need to like experience more with you outside of this. So what I'm hearing is you're, you're not sure. You're not 100%. You're like 90%. And you need to go out and you need to spend

more time with her to figure out if you're 100%. And that's okay. That's, I was going to say, but that's pretty logical. That's totally fine. I'm not judging him for that at all. But I just think she, because she at one point was like, can you please just be like open and honest with me about like why you won't propose if you're 100 like if you're so sure and I want to him to just be like honestly kindly I'm not I'm not so sure yeah I'm not 100% because if I was 100% I would propose and I'm not I need to go out and I need to have more time with you I need to experience more life with you to know what I mean yes that's what I think she wanted to hear or needed to hear and I think that's what he needs to say because I think that's how he feels yeah I agree

No, I agree. I think if, I, we think that's how he feels. We don't know how he feels. Yes. But he, we're obviously just speculating here. I agree. I think that's what, um, what he should have said. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but. I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart. Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential.

I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adapted strategy, which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like like go you go blank yourself right it's easy it's easy to just drink the extra beer it's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way avoidance is easier ignoring is easier denial is easier drinking is easier yelling screaming is easy complex problem

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built a progressive media powerhouse from the ground up, why audience interaction is the key to political influence and what it takes to fight disinformation at scale, one download at a time. We should be focusing on the issues that actually occupy a lot of the mental space in Americans' minds but are filled with conspiracies, and we should fill it with the truth and solutions. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And then we saw a little bit when Blake left in the previous episode.

But like, what the fuck is up with Kylie and Blake? It's, it's, we didn't recap last episode where she like chased him out to the van. But like. I didn't think this. See, like that one I didn't think was, I thought this episode when we. Blake came back and like all the girls talking about it and she was so happy to see him and she just misses Blake, that to me was weird. I thought the van was weirder personally.

After all, seeing all of it, like if I'm Aven, I'm a little like, well, but I mean, I don't know what he knows, but it did. And we don't really know like if this has been the dynamic the whole season and Avan just doesn't have a problem with it. I would have a problem with it. If you ran out and chased another girl and was like, please don't leave, stay for me, stay for me. And then Marry and Kenny show up, we're at their wedding.

And everyone's like, Joe, she's back. She's here. And you're like, oh, my God. I'd be like, what is going on? Yeah. Like, what am I missing? Like, I'm missing something. Like, I feel like this is not cool. That was the weird part for me. It wasn't. Yeah, Marcyde was like, oh my God, Kylie. It's Blake.

Yeah. And she's like, oh, my God. Like, so excited. Yeah. So to me, to to me, like the wedding part and like everyone being like, oh my God, Blake's back for you. That to me was weirder than the bus. I kind of thought or the van like her running up to the van i like i kind of got it if she was like like like just like if it was like everyone was like is no one going to stop him or is anyone going to go talk to him like she was like i'll do it i'll go like check on him or whatever see if he

could stay yeah yeah but the way she went about it felt like kind of flirty no yeah but that just could be her yeah that might just be like she might just have a flirty personality and it could it doesn't mean she's like flirting with him I guess yeah and it just could have been the situation but I don't know but the whole the whole thing to me it came out of like nowhere because we haven't even seen Kylie and Blake like hang out and now of a sudden we're seeing like these very like not intimate but like close combos between them uh yeah I don't know so then we have the moon rave and then we have them have they have a little chit chat and she asked for, like, advice on, like, what to do.

Blake, Blake gives good advice. And Blake is definitely, like, a girl's guy because I feel like a lot of the girls have been asking for his advice. Yeah. I think that was all pretty, pretty standard. Yeah. And then we have, what do we end the wedding?

Well, he was back because Kenny Amari from our season. Yes. Got married. They also just got married in real life as well. A little paradise beachy wedding. It was fun listening to Jesse, like, officiate their wedding and hear all the throwbacks from our season. Yeah, Wells walked. Marry down the aisle. And like for those that don't know,

like Blake and Kenny are actually very good friends in real life. So it does totally make sense that he would have stayed to be a part of that. We saw like the naked like bobblehead, Kenny, Mary dolls in the cave. I'm sure they're going to start selling bachelornation.com at some point. I know. Yeah. Cake topper. But yeah. I thought it was nice. It was nice that they got married there. it seemed like it seemed like it gave some people on the beach hope. I think it does because you know what? You have

said this before seeing Dean and Kalin on our season at our finale when we did the purge and the engagements was almost like reassuring because you're stuck in this bubble and then to see these couples that are from the outside world

come and be like we met here we did what you're doing and now we're engaged or married or having kids or whatever it may be it's like oh yeah like this does work past this point and i feel like for the couples on the beach it's like oh wow like they met here and that could be us we could be getting married yeah i just with a lot of them though it kind of just feels like they think that's how they should feel so that's what they're saying you don't think anyone really feels that way i don't know i don't know about this season i i don't know maybe maybe but it kind of highly feels that way i'll tell you

that yeah um So yeah So then Kylie and Avan Have it out that night She ends up crying He walks away Yeah

It's a big scene And that's it That's how the night ends You know Mari and Kenny Dance the night away Everyone looked like they had a good time Yeah seem fun

And then it's like okay It's the end of paradise We have to be real We need actual real couples now Yeah So I see Jesse He pulled them all into the palapa and it's like, okay, either you're headed for engagement, you're going to the fantasy suites or you're going home.

Yeah, the purge. I love the purge. It really is like you get like an inside look into like everyone's relationships, you know? Yeah. Well, because there's no more like you just need a rose to get by the week. It's not like, okay. It's like do you like do you like what are your intentions? Yeah, like you're either you're taking this serious or you're not.

Yeah. when did mercedes broke up with jordan v at some point i think it was at the rave and leave though yeah yeah he was like yeah all good she just said i love her she was one of my favorite people she just said there isn't anything romantic i could tell this has been weighing on you this whole time because we're going out of chronological order i'm trying really like you can't you can't you can't because we we did not mention the fact that mercedes potentially she went home well you mentioned it at the beginning of the episode you know what didn't happen until close the end of the episode.

Mercedes. Mercedes goes, Mercedes goes home. There wasn't anything romantic there. Unfortunately, yeah, Jordan V's time has been short in paradise. Hasn't had the best luck on this show. So they're gone.

Bye. Okay, sorry. The Purge. I'm going to really try to lean into your chaotic structure this episode. Keep going. Okay. No, I know you're leading the way. I'm not.

I'm not leading. way you've taken the lead and slowly as the episode has gone on you're backing away from the lead i'm backing away from what the lead oh leading the episode yeah because usually you lead the episode but i'm going with the notes today okay so we will say so who's the first couple to have a conversation after the jesse we've got erin eliza avon and kiley sam peter olivia michael cat and john henry that's not the right order but whatever great so we see i think cat and john on Henry go first. It's like, yay, we like each other. We're going. No doubt. Fantasy suites. Great. Aaron B and Eliza.

Same thing. Same thing. Great. No surprises there. Avin and Kylie. Now we have basically we hear the same conversation again. You know Kylie like still wants it. Like she literally says like I was up like praying last night that like something would change his mind and he would propose to me. She, I wonder, I would love to know what is compelling her to feel so strongly about an engagement because do you think like I don't know like again this is just speculating I don't I obviously don't know but it kind of feels like she needs more reassurance from Avin and she's looking at the engagement as like reassurance that he's not going to like break up with her when they leave or like be over her when they leave like I don't know like even doesn't strike me as a guy

who's like overwhelming with his like showing how much he cares. about someone do you know what I mean yeah I also think it's like part of the show the engagement so like when you go on you may not really even think it's something that's realistic and then you get there and you're kind of in the bubble and you're on this beach and you start really thinking about an engagement it becomes like like something that you could touch like it's there and it's like it's like I am actually expecting this one I didn't think I wasn't and then she isn't getting And I almost think she probably wants it more just because Avin took it off the table. He's just like, no.

Yeah, like he's not even really entertaining the idea. And I think you're right. Like, it's so close you can touch it. It might feel like moving backwards, like leaving in a relationship when it's like it's right here. Like, why don't we just take that step? Yeah. And I think she's someone that in life is ready for that step. Yeah.

But unfortunately, he didn't change his mind. And she was like, well, if I want to leave with you, I have to be okay with. I thought he handled the Convo pretty well Yeah he was pretty like It's gonna be okay I promise you it's gonna be okay Yeah they just left like she just left

Up like they left as a couple But not a happy couple No no no They were not a happy couple So they didn't leave as a happy couple But they left as a couple They left like in a fight But together

Yeah which is kind of the best you were gonna get from them Unless one of them caved Unless she decided like I don't need an engagement or he decided, fine, I'm going to propose. I mean, he asked the question I was waiting to be asked, which was, if I don't propose to you, are we breaking up? Yeah.

Which, and she said no. And I was like, okay, there we go. That's what we've been all waiting for. Yeah, that was the question we've been waiting for for the whole episode. The whole episode. Okay, so then we have. Sam and Peter. Sam and Peter who seemed, he seemed like he wanted to potentially.

Yeah, he was like, I think we'll continue. Things have been going great. And she was like definitely not. Yeah, she seemed, they, it did seem watching them that it was more of a friendship. I think they were, they liked each other. But I just think like they've been together long enough. There was no like, I'm falling in love with you or like, I'm going to move to where you live in Canada. So, probably just wasn't going to work out.

Yeah, I think that I think they made the best. And you could see she was upset. She cried a little bit. But if it's not there, it's not there. You can't force it. Yeah. And it's one of those, like you got to make a hard decision sometimes. Yeah.

I think she made the hard decision, but the right decision. And then Olivia and Michael, it would have been really nice to see Olivia walk away in a relationship after everything she's been through this season. And she's just been such like a prevalent character this entire season. And I think her and Michael were a good fit. I liked her with Michael probably best out of everyone we've seen her with. But again, I think it just came down to timing. Yeah. I mean, he just really just got there so late for so far.

for him like I mean they could have been like hey let's leave and let's see what happens outside of here yeah no I didn't think they were going to get like engaged but I thought maybe they would leave in like a let's see what happens let's like keep talking yeah but I think for him he's just kind of like I'm a realist like we live in different cities and I just don't yeah care that much that is the thing with this show is like pretty much everyone lives in different places unless you get very very lucky and fall for someone that lives in your city you have to be a like really into the person because you're not just going to do like long distance with someone that you're not serious about and be like willing to do long distance most of the time

yeah or at least temporarily my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now i'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute sam maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit well dakota It's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now. wants them both to meet. So do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not?

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it

if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like go you, go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact.

But the Myceles Brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy, are building an alternative to that. On the latest episode of Next Question with Katie Couric, I sat down with the brothers behind the Midas Touch Network to talk about how they built a progressive media powerhouse from the ground up, why audience interaction is the key to political influence and what it takes to fight disinformation at scale,

one download at a time. We should be focusing on the issues that actually occupy a lot of the mental space in Americans' minds but are filled with conspiracies, and we should fill it with the truth and solutions. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So then that leaves us just two couples left. Fantasy suites. Everything looks like it's going well. Yeah, Kat and John Henry looking good, smooth, smooth sailing.

Who would have thought, Kat? wasn't like the most i would say her and john henry have been the most smooth sailing couple maybe this season which is ironic because she's had the most turmoil on the beach i mean i'd like them together i i mean is it going to work i like them together too um yeah i mean we see we see so the overnight goes well yeah um the overnight goes great for erin and eliza Aaron and the lies and say, I love you to each other and they're overnight. And then they say against, they said something along the lines of like against all odds we made it here. Like something, I wrote down like they said against all odds.

And I just feel like we're missing things with their relationship. Because the way they talk about their relationship is like there's been a lot more of a struggle between the two of them than what we've seen. The only time we've seen like an issue is like the very, very like first episode where Aaron can. kissed Mercedes and went to Eliza and then when she went on a date with John B. That's it. I would bet money that there was more of a struggle there than what we saw. A, because I just think their relationship didn't progress as fast as I would have expected to. And B, just because of the way they like speak about their own relationship. It's like, we overcame so much, all the hills we had to climb to get here today. It's like, what did you do? What happened between

the two of you? Truly. And honestly, everything we saw just seemed so surface level. And there's still like no certainty about an engagement between the two of them, despite the fact they've been together like this whole time. I don't know. So we get, we get down to the palapa. We'll do them first because they are first. And the weird thing is Eliza doesn't say bows. Yeah. She doesn't say a speech. It goes right to Aaron B. I've never seen that happen before. Get down on one knee. He actually, I think the big thing was he said he spoke to her mom. Because we do see her saying like, I don't know if I can do this family so important to me.

Not having them involved would be like really hard. Yeah. And then Aaron B essentially like opens his speech like spoke to your mom today. Yeah. She's a lovely woman. And you see her kind of like light up that they had a conversation. Yeah. And it, it, yeah.

They, she says yes. He asked her to marry him and that's. Loved her dress. Yeah. She looked amazing. That's kind of there, there goes that. And then. You know what?

Like the interview between the two of them when she's like, we're engaged. and she was like jumping that always just like takes me back to that moment it's like such a crazy feeling i don't think i've ever felt that my life i'll never feel that like again crossing the finish line on paradise it's just like a i don't know it is crazy a level of like yeah ecstatic and like what have i done all bundled into what yeah and then you kind of look at the other couples like we had three couples or there was two more couples and we were all kind of like whoa Whoa.

Yep. Yep. We all just did that. Okay. Yeah. And then Kat and John Henry, she says yes. They also get engaged. They both give speeches.

It's gorgeous. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know if there's ever been a faster proposal. And what I mean by faster is like the length of their relationship from the time they got together to the time they got engaged was like days. Like so short. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We'll see. I mean, we'll see. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it's going to work in. the real world. I mean, it could. It could. I mean, like, Kat went through a lot in this show. She had a major highs, major lows. So, like, I don't know. I'm just someone that, like,

always roots for a happy ending, you know. I always want to see the relationship work out. And I do see the chemistry between the two of them. Well, we see the where are they now. They are. I love the where are they now. Where are they now? So we'll start with Kat and John Henry. They are still together, potentially going to move to San Diego together that's kind of all we know as of now they like I said their time on the show has been pretty short but they couldn't make it

they could yeah and then Eliza and Aaron are not together well that's not what it said it said that they have had some ups and down some bumps in the road and they're working on their relationship and those are the two couples

And then we see... Well, those are the two engaged couples. We'll move out Kylie and Aven. Oh, Kylie and Aven who are still together. Who are still together. Yes. So that's good. That's good.

Maybe they actually worked it out in the real world. I do think he was right when they were leaving and he was very reassuring and like positive about what was going to happen moving forward. And I do think once she left and moved past, if she was able to move past if he didn't propose to her, I don't see why it wouldn't work. Yeah, I think they make sense, and I could see them working. Yeah. I can potentially see them eventually getting engaged.

Yeah. Actually. That is like one of my favorite lines on this show. I was like, I only want to get engaged once. How many people are out there like, I'm going to get engaged multiple times in my life? That's what I want. I also just think like, I don't know. If you come on this show, like you have to be somewhat of a risk taker.

Yeah. Because getting engaged in such a short amount of time, like getting engaged in general is a risk, you know? Yeah. You just, you never know what life holds for you. But I'm like, you got to have a little bit.

Like, okay, I actually was thinking about this. So you worked in the stock market for like five years. Sure. And you like are a big risk taker. Yeah. I would say you like, you're a gambler.

You live. You like a good risk. Yeah. John Henry has the most dangerous job. like known to man or something like that. Sure. So he obviously also has that sense of like adrenaline junkie, like risk taker within him that you have. And I just think like those are the people that are like perfect to get engaged on this show.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And like just like let's throw caution to the wind. I'm in love. I'm not going to listen to my gut. I'm going to listen to my heart. Let's do it. Well, and also if the engagement doesn't work, right, there's a good chance you haven't even

moved in together yet. Depending. What I'm saying is like... At this point. Yeah. At this point. And like, yeah, it sucks and it sucks for both people. But like it's really just like the, you give the ring back.

You break up. It's not like, it's harder to end an engagement or just a relationship when that when you've been normal timeline. You've been with them for like years. You get engaged. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. And then we see

Braden's with Christina Mandraal. Okay, and she's from who season? She's from Zach's season. Yeah. She is the one that like wouldn't stop talking about her one-on-one date. Okay.

And had some beef with the girls. But she has a daughter. Okay. And they looked really cute. To be honest, they were like hanging out on a bow at the beach. I can see Brayden being like really good with kids. So I'm happy for them.

It looks like they're like moving. in together which is that's the rumor yeah so we'll see that's what we'll see so brayden ends up with the strongest relationship off the beach bradden's the only one that's like literally actively moving in with the girl he's dating yeah and she wasn't even there i think i think if if kiley and even stay together after everything that has aired i think they will potentially go the distance that's i wouldn't be surprised if they're like moving it together soon yeah out of all the couples out that's That's where I would go with it. Yep.

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