Bachelor Happy Hour - Angela from ‘Paradise’ and Co-Host Krystal Nielson

Episode Date: September 4, 2019

Ali is joined by guest co-host and newlywed Krystal Nielson while Rachel is on her honeymoon! Plus, straight from “Paradise,” Angela Amezcua talks about her past with Clay and her experience this season on “Bachelor in Paradise.”Be sure to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If you've looked at her Instagram lately, she looks like she is having the time of her life. And so is Brian. We're so happy for them. But she will be back next week, so we'll get to hear all about her wedding and her honeymoon straight from her. But today, we actually have a very special co-host, and that is Crystal. Hey, Crystal. Hey, girl, how's it going? Oh, my gosh.

I'm so happy you're here because, well, one, I just adore you. I think you're lovely. Oh, thank you. Two, we're going to have a lot of fun. And three, we've got to talk about a few things going down right now that involved you. Yeah, there's a lot going on right now. I know. With the wedding and JPJ, but we can dive into all that.

more to tell. Oh, yes. We are absolutely going to do that. I mean, I really, one, want to hear how you feel about watching your wedding on TV, because that's got to kind of be a weird thing, like, not even just watching it, but then hearing everybody kind of react to it. Well, we're going to get all into your wedding a whole bunch more because, unfortunately, some drama went down there with JPJ and Derek. And so we're going to talk about it on the show, but we're also going to have your friend Angela and bridesmaid on on the show today. Yes. I'm so excited to talk with Angela, especially because what's been going on this week. in Bachelor in Paradise has been really wild and Angela's made a really strong entrance and I can't wait to chat with her and get some like inside perspective as to like what was going through her mind with coming down to confront her ex on the beach and then seeing him with Nicole and we're just seeing this like spiral of clay so I'm just can't wait to like dive deep into Angela's mind and dive deep we will all after this. Hey guys, we're back and I'm here with my co-host for the day. Crystal. Hey guys.

Oh my gosh. Okay. So let's get right into your wedding first. So I was honestly really nervous to watch the wedding. I would be too. I was really nervous. And Kristen, I just sat on our couch with our dogs and we watched it Sunday night. So we watched it a couple days before.

I just sat like holding Wayne and Chucky just like, oh my God. And it was really powerful. It was really emotional to walk through that, particularly with the ceremony. And it was, it just brought me back to that day and how special. it felt and I'm sure you can relate on your wedding day to really I felt so symbolic as I was walking down the aisle I think was my most memorable moment where I felt that I was leaving behind the past and the old me and I was walking into my future and I was walking towards towards my future which was my husband you know Chris Rando not Harrison for this that is a little bit confusing because you said

you were nervous to watch the show back so was there anything because maybe you being the bride were probably trying to shelter you from the drama. At least I would if I were there. They would have been like, let's get Crystal away. Did you know the extent of what happened? You know, actually, when that went down with John Paul Jones and Derek was when Chris and I were taking wedding photos and we're like, why are we doing this for so long? Like, we want to go to the party and they're like, no, no, no, no, like more photos.

And we're like, this seems abnormally like a long time for photos. And it turns out, we found out that it was because of the drama, they didn't want us involved in it. They wanted us removed from it. because this was our day, our moment, and they did not want that to interfere with us celebrating because they knew it would really bother us and would really hurt us. So super grateful for that little protection and shield. But as soon as we come out into the party, all of my family and friends, they like rush over

to us and they're like, John Paul Jones just like attacked Derek and he's pointing his finger and yelling. And I'm like, what is going on? And everyone that came up to me was talking about it. And I'm like, you guys, I want to talk about like the wedding ceremony. I want to talk about like Chris and I and like I'll talk about like my dress and my veil okay for a second but it was it really took a strong front of you know the conversation yeah he issues an apology and okay I got it right here she's going to read it for you guys okay so John Paul Jones John Paul Jones that's his handle that was twice says after watching this past Tuesday's episode of Bachelor in Paradise and having had time to step away from it all and introspect on my actions I do deeply regret that my behavior was disrupting and upsetting to the celebration of Chris and Crystal's wedding reception. Despite the fatigue and anxiety, I felt at the time I should have used good judgment in my decisions and acted in a more mature and selfless way.

I extend my sincere apologies to Chris and Crystal and to their families and friends for my actions with deep regret and sincere apologies, J.PJ. So that sounds pretty sincere. Yeah, actually, like when I read it, I was like, wow, I felt like he wrote that from his heart. And I think that he had gone through a really tough time with all the criticism that he received because the behavior was absolutely uncalled for. And it really did take away. But then we were scrolling through the comments. So we were scrolling through the comments. And we see.

So after both of us, our initial reaction being, oh, that was pretty nice, you know, seemed nice. Derek, Derek, the Derek that he was yelling at at the wedding, comments and says, don't insult our intelligence. Oh, that's good. Yeah, you could reach out on your own instead of on Instagram. This is just an attempt to save face. And that has over 7,000 likes, that comment. This is now my thoughts, because that's actually a good, well, actually, Katie from the show, you know, Katie and Chris, she wrote, you've got a good heart of my friend. So people in Paradise and Chris wrote, you're a gentleman, JPJ.

So people from Paradise cast, from the Paradise cast, are backing him up. After I read Derek's response, I was like, you know what? I have Crystal right here in front of me. Crystal. Did JPJ ever reach out to you to apologize? Yeah, you know, I just checked my DMs. And no, I have not received an apology. So, I have not personally received one.

That to me is a, okay, is he really sorry? Because if he was, wouldn't he reach out to you? I do agree that if the correct way would have been to come to Chris and I, at least first, and then to say you spoke with us and wanted to apologize publicly to everyone. But, you know, I'm going to take it. I'm going to take that apology because. Like I said, like I said this in interviews, and with Chris, we talked about it after watching it and after everyone watched it and hearing the whole response. I go, don't forget, it was our wedding day.

And that's what's most important. We were there to celebrate each other. And I think of all people who would understand being passionate and in the moment and letting their emotions get the best of them, that is Chris and I. I mean, we went through our journeys on our respective seasons of Bachelor and Bachelorette. And of course we have regret. Of course we wish we would have acted differently. And all we can do, though, is grow and become better. And so that's my hope for John Paul Jones.

And I think that he's growing and learning from this. And that makes me happy. And, you know, that's all I can do. You're absolutely right. I mean, there's so much to talk about for Paradise, but things I want to really get into before we talk to Angela. And the first thing is Blake and Christina. I know.

What do you think about that? Well, I think it was really wild watching this season and seeing that Blake is all in. for Christina. And I'm wondering if, and he was saying he's like, you know, you've been right in front me this whole time and I just couldn't see it. Like, I'm grateful for everything I've been through because it's led me to sit here right in front of you. And Christina's like, I don't buy it. Like, do you just want to rose? Like, just be honest with me. Like, just be up front. And I can see that Christina really is, has a lot of reservations about the trust with Blake. And I wonder, like, I mean, I don't know. Do you think he looked sincere? Him, do I think it was sincere?

No. I think he's realized that there's probably not many more girls coming down. Exactly. And he sort of wants to save face a little bit in all of this. I agree. It felt a little bit like a hell married to me. Exactly. It's that last kind of final attempt like, no girls, one lick. But he has history with one. Well, like has a slight chance with one of his exes. I think there's a really good possibility of that. I feel like this is going to end one of two ways. Like, they're either going to crash and burn. Like, it's just not going to work out at all. Or they're going to get engaged at the end.

Like, it's like one or the other, right? I don't know if, I don't know if it would engage. It would be possible. Like, maybe they'd go to another music festival together, like, with no one else. Just the two of them. Their wedding ceremony will be at stagecoach. Oh, gosh. Okay, we also need to talk about real quick, Dean and Kailen.

I am so excited about this. I, it's, like, so hard. because, you know, that movie, I reference this movie all the time because I think it just makes a lot of sense, but he's just not that into you. And how they talk about you're the exception, not the rule. Like, the rule is that if a guy treats you this way, he's not into you. The rule is, if this happens, he's not that into you. But there's some people that their relationship ends up being the exception. And I kind of feel like Kaylin and Blake are the exception. Kalen and Blake, you mean Kaylin and Dean? Black dates everybody, so I get very confused. Yes, Kalin and Dean. I kind of feel like. kind of feel like they're the exception yeah i think that uh dean i can now i'm saying like i think that dean has gone through you know a lot of fear and he has just felt i mean you saw like with his separation and isolation even with his family members you know we saw that on racial season of the bachelorette where he's just very much so a lone wolf and i think just what that

shows is he's hurt inside he's afraid he's afraid to let someone in um to be hurt and and abandoned And, Lisa, that's how I'm reading it, like, you know, psychoanalyzing it. And I think that when he gets close to someone, like, he just gets afraid that if he gets attached, then he'll be hurt. And so he pushes her away. And with him coming back, I thought it was such a bold move. And he shaved the mustache. I'm like, you are so handsome. I thought he was so hot, too.

I was like, who's that supermodel walking down the beach? Yeah. He looks so hot. And this is a thing, too, like, I always say that. Like a guy's a bachelor and a player until he meets the right girl. Right. Like, I wrote about this on my blog because I think it's so true with that, like, George Clooney, right? He was like the ultimate bachelor.

Oh, the Silver Fox. Like, everyone thought there's no way he's ever going to settle down. He's ever going to get married. And then he met him all and he married her right away. And now they have two beautiful babies. And, you know, I just think it just takes the right person. It doesn't, you know, you could say, oh, he's done this to. many girls and he's played so many girls, but none of them were the right one.

Kalyn might be that right one for him. I would say they are my favorite couple that I'm really rooting for. I feel like it's pretty clear that both of us think that Kaylin and Dean are going to end up together. Like as the show has left it like, will she take him back? Come on. Of course she is. Did you guys like remember the chemistry and the passion that we have seen like throughout this entire season? And the smile on her face like at points while she was talking to him or she would like put her hands into her head into her hands like she was distressed she was like smiling under her hands like she's so happy you can't hold it in

okay one thing i have to talk about is isn't that moment like this is the very end of the episode when dean walks down and usually to see connor like what and the part that i thought was the most uncomfortable this entire week was that moment when all the girls are chatting like tasha katee and demi are all talking and hannah hana g and some guy goes like so do you think that like you know Kaylin, like, how does Kayla feel about Connor? Who's right behind them? And he's like looking at him and they're just talking like, oh, no, no, like she likes Connor

but Demi's like, she's just projecting her feelings for Dean onto Connor. And I'm like, he is right there. I mean, I feel like I can go on forever. It was shocking with Gene. I know, like, we knew he was coming down. Like, we've seen this in so many previews. But when he actually did, it was a grand entrance. And I think

Dylan said it, he's like, yo he's shaved a stash. Like, this guy means business. He is here. to get his woman back. And I think that all along that's what Caitlin's wanted. She's wanted him to make the effort to show her that like she, like he's in.

He's committed to her because that's been that whole time, which is why she's been holding herself back in this relationship. So for him to like show up and be like, I'm here for you. Like let's get out of here.

I'm excited to watch and see what happens next week. I am so excited. Pop to popcorn. I got to say actually real quick too, how I love that he not only, it's not like he left and went back to his hotel room

and then realized he messed up. He flew home. drove to the Grand Canyon. I mean, what do you say? From San Diego to the Grand Canyon? That's like, what, at least an eight hour drive? Yeah, I was an eight. Like, it's a far drive.

So, and then wanted her there with him. Like, can you imagine him? Like, little old Dean. But with his luscious locks flowing in the wind, like sitting next to the Grand Canyon, just thinking of Kaelin. I could see them, like, edit that in right now, like into the show. But it just seems all very romantic to me. So I'm definitely rooting for them, and it sounds like you are too.

We could talk about this, I feel like, all day for the entire podcast. But we have to talk to Angela because we have her calling in. She's on the line. Obviously, bridesmaid in your wedding. We're going to talk to her all about her entrance into paradise. Welcome back, guys. Crystal and I now have Angela on the phone with us now. Welcome, Angela.

Hey, thanks for having me. We're so excited to have you. What is up? My girl, my bridesmaid. I'm so happy to be chatting with you today. I know. I miss you. So, Angela, I know, obviously, that you are a bridesmaid at Crystal's wedding. But did you guys meet down in Paradise? Or did you know each other before that? Yeah. So Crystal and I met on last season of Paradise. And we kind of instantly hit it off. I mean, we would just lay down by the beach and our chairs with a margarita and watch the boys boogie board and just have us a time. And I don't know, Crystal and I just instantly clicked. And after the show, you know, I got close with Chris. as well and we all just stayed in touch and we're just super close we've been there for a lot of

ups and downs with each other and I'm so happy to have them in my life I do want to say I'm so happy to have you in our life too girl we love you so much I do remember the very first day of paradise angela I both walked down on the first day and she came in a little after I did and she walked down and I go are you Angela from Nick V season and she went home on night one and she's like yes I am how do you even know that I was like girl you're wearing the red dress and you had the photo of your grandparents. I was like, I remember it all. Because I was like, this girl is so stunning. How did she get set home on night one? I was so floor. So, you know, we instantly connected. And I had, I had your back. Remember, I was like, girl, like, you're a little sweaty.

Like, I got you. Let me pat you down. Oh, my gosh. That was so funny. I know. I know. That's true friendship. She's like, girl, let me get you. Just go to the side. Day one. Day one. True friendship right there. So I have to ask because I know Crystal and Chris, gave us a little bit of a scoop, Angela, last week on the podcast, about how they set you up with Clay. So take us through that, that situation. Yeah. You know, Chris and Crystal introduced Clay and I, you know, when I was in Paradise, Chris was like, oh, you and my boy Clay would be such a good match. And I was like, well, I'm going to focus on, you know, who was here. Because I was dating Eric. Yeah, I had no idea of Clay was even going to come down the steps like last season.

So I was like, I'm going to focus on what happens here. But if nothing works out, like, okay, whatever, you know, never thinking anything would ever come from it. And then I remember getting a text from Chris one day. And he's like, hey, what's your situation like that asking for a friend dot, dot, dot, dot? And I was like, oh, Lord. And, you know, Clay wanted my number and the rest is kind of history. So where were you living at the time and where was Clay living?

Yeah, I was living in South Carolina and Clay was in Chicago. Okay. So how did you guys start dating? Because if you live so far away from each other, did you move up there? No. FaceTime, girl? Oh, yeah. So we FaceTime for four hours every night, like getting to know each other for a while.

And then he, Clay was in Arizona right before we filmed reunion last year. So I flew out. You know, we met up and hung out. And then I had to fly to L.A. like the next day for reunion, and Clay ended up flying to L.A. as well. And, you know, we all hung out for like a few days a week after reunion in L.A. And, you know, we kind of became official after that. And it was kind of long distance from there. But, you know, we never really let more than seven to 10 days go by without seeing each other. And we'd face time all the time. So long distance was

never, like the distance was never an issue. Yeah. Angela, I want to ask, because you and Clay seemed like such a solid couple. Honestly, Chris and I were like, they're going to get engaged. They're going to get married. Like they are, they are the real deal. When did things with Clay start going south? Yeah. I think, you know, it kind of started going south when he realized, you know, he wasn't going to get picked up for a team last season. And, you know, I don't want to say too much, you know, this is Clay's personal stuff, but I think it's kind of out there now. But yeah, you know, he kind of started. retracting almost whenever he came to that realization like, oh, like this isn't going to happen for me this year. And, you know, he got into kind of like a dark place and I would try to be there for him and lift him up and encourage him. And yeah, so I think I was kind of, he kind of started getting in his own head with everything when he started realizing like, oh, wait, I'm not going to get put on a team, which sucks. I totally understand that was his whole life. Like it's his identity.

So, I mean, I totally get that. I grew up around sports. My dad's a football. coach like ball is life i totally understand you have any idea that he would be breaking up with you or were you just totally blindsided like did you see it coming at all like with him being like struggling so much i mean i saw him struggling and you know we had talked about things and and you know i was like we are a team just because you're feeling a certain way like i'm not going to bail because it's rough right now like when you're a team you stick together through the highs and the lows you know and and i kind of was blindsided actually because you know i thought we were good two days before he broke up with me he literally out of the blue was like what do you

think our babies are going to look like like just out of the blue and we sat there and named the characteristics of our children and then two days later you break up with me i'm like wait what yeah yeah i mean really shocking so how did he break up with you over the phone like how did he break up with you so he was in south carolina and i've never told anybody this story i don't know if i should um and i just dropped him off at the gym and like we were together for days you know before this and he sends me a text message kind of about things like alluding to things and i'm like i'm not going to talk about anything over a text like i literally just saw you um and so you know he came back and we had a long talk and it was brutal i mean it was really emotional for me for him um you know

I think on TV, he said he doesn't cry easily and he's never cried that much in his life. So, I mean, it was rough. It was super rough. Did you think at that point that that was it for you guys? Yeah, just because, you know, I'm the type of person who, you know, and I told him this. I said when I like when I'm broken up with somebody, that's, that's it. Like I don't, I don't talk. There's not going to be like any communication after this because I need to be strong for myself.

and I need to start the healing process. And if I'm still talking to you, if you're still talking to me, I can't do that, you know? And so I kind of told him like, this is it. Like, are you sure? Because, like, I'm done after this. Like, we're not going to be, it's not going to be here and there. We're going to talk. It's done.

Crystal, you guys are friends. So you were there for her when she was going through this. As her friend, what was it like for you? Yeah. I was just shocked. I mean, to put it quite frankly, did not see it coming. I knew that Clay was struggling and was feeling really down that, I mean, he was just really uncertain of his future. I mean, he provides and helps take care of his family.

And, you know, I think just he got afraid and got scared of like, what's his identity like post football? So it was interesting because I'm friends with Clay and Angela. And it's like that side of you're like, who picks sides? But Angela and I had, we spoke on the phone. And Angela was so, it was so tough to hear you, so heartbroken. I remember you could just barely get any words out for like an hour. We were on the phone. And this was like days later.

And it was really hard to see you go through that because I know how much you loved him. And I knew how much certainty you had in this relationship. Well, it just made me sad that like I was one of the only people in Clay's life that was always there for him and encouraged him and wanted him to be happy. And, you know, I was like you could literally work at Walmart and I wouldn't care just as long as we're together. And it just seemed like he just didn't want to hear any of that. He was just so like low. And it just, you know, I just wanted to be. team and you know what were his reasons like when he broke up with you what reasons did he give

for ending the relationship um you know he said well it's funny because when he was breaking up with me he was like a big part of me knows we're supposed to be together so i'm like how am i supposed to process this but he just said he you know was lost he didn't know who he was he you know didn't he needed to find his new identity he needed to like figure out what his next step was in life and again like I never you know I haven't spoken on this and I had plenty of opportunity to after we broke up but like I was the funny thing is I was trying to protect him you know all these news outlets and podcasts and everything were reaching out to me wanting to comment and this and that but like I was trying to protect him because you know this is something personal that

he was going through it wasn't going to spread his business but you know I feel like I can talk about it now because he's obviously said it on television on the episodes you know what he was going through, but he was just like, I need to be alone. I need to find myself. I need to figure out my next moves. He was like, it's nothing to do with you. He was like, I just, I don't even know who I am. I need to figure myself out before I can be in a relationship. And he, he, this is something that I think everybody misheard on the wedding episode. Whenever I was explaining that, I said he said he couldn't even think about being with anyone else. I didn't say that. And I think people like misheard that because now they're like oh you just said you couldn't think about being

anybody else or being with anybody else and then you show up on paradise I was like no no no wait I said he said that angel I want to ask you because I remember we were speaking and all the I knew you guys had broken up but the public didn't know yeah everyone was commenting on your Instagram and you just kept deleting the comments and trying to ignore it and like like hide from it and I was like I remember sitting down with with Chelsea with Annalise and we were all like girl why don't you like speak up and and and get ahead of this and like let people know like you broke up up and you were protecting him and you just kept saying that and we're very, you know, hush, hush on the details of it. And I was, even as your friend, I was like, like, why? Like,

why? Like, can I ask you? Like, why did you feel this need to protect him? Was it because you thought that you might get back together and, like, maybe he just needed some space? No, because I respected, like, that was the thing is I respected him enough to give him the space. Because again, like, I understand where he was coming from, you know, he was lost and football is his identity and it's like you know almost I think they say like with an athlete when they retire it's like losing a parent like you've had it your whole life and then all of a sudden it's just taken away you know it's a it's a crisis so I respected him and you know I kind of was just like it's if we were going to talk about it it was going to be as a united front and I you know we

had discussed that and he was like no I don't like want my personal life in the media and I was like okay I don't want anybody to be talking about it either so you know I was somehow I'm still trying to be a team like I don't know I guess I'm just that's just me you know I'm like I just I'm loyal I'm a very loyal person well you loved him and you said you know on the show even that you'll always love him and I think that you just are protective towards people like that in your life you know I know I am you know even if I'm not with somebody people who I've loved in my past but here's what I find disappointing I let me just let you know this Angela I love clay like I have been a big fan of his all season. Like I just think that he has shown himself to be a very stand-up guy. And that's why this is like disappointing for me because obviously it is for you at a whole other level or was. You use words to describe his reasons for breaking up with you as saying he's lost. He didn't know who he was and he had to find himself. That doesn't sound like somebody who's ready to be in paradise. And the breakup had nothing to do with you. So it sounds to me

that he was saying, I'm not ready to be with anybody right now. And that's what he told you. He literally said that to me. So that, so just so all of our listeners can understand, that's why it was so hurt hurtful for you, correct me if I'm wrong, that he went to paradise. Exactly. So what was your reaction when you find out? Were you mad? Were you sad? Did you scream? I didn't scream, actually. You know, I part of me, I hate to say it, kind of expected it. I just had this feeling. which makes me sad but you know I just had to accept it you know it is what it is I didn't have any control over it and yeah it was extremely hurtful because I don't know I just it's like how could you do that after you just sat there and told me this like let me clarify like it this was

told to me repeatedly for like two months after we broke up and then a month later he's in paradise correct you know and he and I'm not going to sit here and drag him or talk bad about him or anything like people are allowed to make their own decisions and navigate things how they want but yeah i mean it was it was super hurtful and you know you do have to go to casting for these things you guys know that and they are not an overnight process correct and it's before exactly so it's like hmm okay so you know angela can i ask can i ask can you understand why he went to paradise i mean looking at it from his perspective, I would have just assumed that he, you know, would take this kind of like, I don't know, sabbatical maybe and take the opportunity and do what he said he was going to do. I mean, if I was him, that's what I would have done. I mean, everybody has their own motives. You know, I, that was my issue as his actions weren't lining up with his words. But again, I have no control over that. And he's allowed to do what he wants to do. You know, he's a grown man. As Angela was packing four.

the wedding to come and be in the wedding, she still didn't even know if she would be going down. Yeah. Like it was literally, it was a last minute decision. It was contingent on like if I made a connection at the wedding. And I made two connections at the wedding and I was shocked because I honestly went in there to be a bride's made. That was my sole focus. Like my sole focus was being a part of Kristen Crystal's special day and that was it. So I've got to ask too, when you were talking to Clay at the wedding, did you know at that point you were going to paradise? Or did you still? not know. I mean, that was like midway through the wedding. And I have, you know, been flirting and having great conversations with Mike and Chase. And that night was great. I mean, I was, I had so much

fun being a bridesmaid and then talking to Mike and Chase. And I, you know, was starting to lean towards that direction. So like, let me just say, this is my thought process with going, like, making the decision, you know, when they offered me like, hey, do you want to. go down and explore these two connections you made obviously it's a weird situation right like that's uncomfortable but i did not want clay to like be able to like manipulate my decisions any longer i literally took clay out of the equation whenever i made this this decision because i was like okay if two hot amazing guys who are interested in me i'm interested in them if clay wasn't there would i go down and explore how yes like duh and so i was like

Like, you know, I'm not the one who ended a relationship saying I'm not ready. I was ready for love and a relationship, like a relationship all along. So I was like, you know what? Clay and I are over. I'm not going to let him hinder my chance at love. There's no way. Yeah, I think I want to get into that. I think that's a really important thing to talk about here because I feel like a lot of the cast members even.

Like I didn't even normally, I go to Twitter or I go to Instagram to see what sort of Bachelor Nation is saying about the episodes. And I'm sure Bachelor Nation was saying some of this, too. You would probably know better. But some of the cast members were saying, like, what are Angel's intentions? Why is she here? And that was a little bit confusing to me because, you know, like you mentioned, it felt like a bit of a double standard.

Because if you had been there first and then Clay was given the opportunity, would people be saying the same thing? You know, like you've got to think about it that way. And at that point, in my opinion, Clay had kind of shown you, I'm moving on. So you are probably like, I'm going to take this opportunity too. Yeah. I mean, the second he stepped on that beach, I was over it. I'm like, okay, like you, that display of character is not something that I look for in my partner.

So I was like, okay, like I'm over it. I was like, I, if I make connections, I'm so excited and I did. And I was like, exactly. Like, I didn't want there to be a double standard. It's just, it was like walking into the lion's den, honestly. Yeah, actually, I want to ask you about that because I, did you know that you would, I'm sure you anticipated that you would get some slack and there would be some heat as you walk down into paradise?

I mean, what was that, what was running through your mind? What was that experience like to actually be in the lion's den? Yeah. I mean, my heart was beating out of my chest because, as I said, you know, in the episode, I truly, like, Crystal, you know this. Like, I am, I honestly am not a drama person. I hate confrontation. It gives me anxiety.

Like, I really am not a drama person. So walking down, yeah, I was nervous. I knew, obviously, Clay wasn't going to be excited to see me. And I knew there would be, like, a little bit of chit-chatter. But, you know, watching the episodes, I was kind of like, wow, okay. It was a little harsher than I thought, but again, everyone's entitled to react to the way they won, and, you know, that's fine, I guess, but I don't know, it's just, you know, slightly hurtful to hear all the hate coming, just from people who didn't know me, you know, I always try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt and don't judge anybody until I get to know them. So, yeah, it was hard to watch. But, you know, like I said, everyone's entitled to think what they think and say what they say, and I have no control of it. over it, so. Real quick. Backing track just a little bit for a second. I want to go back to the wedding real quick. Speaking of walking. Yeah. Speaking of walking. I think you know exactly where

we're going with us, Angela. Can't wait. Can't wait. We actually have, we're, Crystal and I are looking at this pretty epic screenshot right here. You're walking down the aisle as a bridesmaid and Clay's like looking over at you, looking like a deer cotton headlight. And Nicole looking at Clay, just like, oh, you better not look. Yeah, we're actually going to put this screenshot up on bachelornation.com. So do yourself a favor if you're listening to this right now and go look at it because it is so epic. Epic. So you knew he was going to be there.

Crystal, actually, really, I want to ask you, you knew that they were going to interact for the first time to see each other since the breakup. Were you nervous? So I actually was and Angela I had called you like a few weeks before the wedding and I was like hey so Clay's going to be there like more than likely is everything okay because at that point Angela you were still like a little shaken up and would get emotional talking about and I was like girl if you're my bridesmaid I need you there like representing and like being strong and you know you were like no I got this I'm here for you my focus is there and I felt so confident and Angela had my back and I was there to support her and I knew that this was a big moment for her and I know the first first time would be walking down the aisle. So I knew that that was a huge moment for Angela. Granted, it was also my wedding, but it was also a big moment for you, girl, and where, you know, you were just, like, making this, like, entrance of, like, of, like, look what you missed out on. Look at me now. And I remember Angela, I remember standing back there, waiting for me to walk. And I just hear this, like, like, like, like this.

walking that was like so like clacking like horse troughs like on the runway and I'm like that's Angela that is and it was dead silent you had a powerful trickets yeah that okay can I can I make a disclaimer though here's my disclaimer okay guys I think everyone forgets like my profession is a model so you are on a runway and I am going like autopilot mode y'all I see a straight runway and I just go and no I tell you are an amazing model but I have had to ask maybe there was a little would you agree there was a little bit of extra like hip swing in that step i swear like i really swear i like blacked out like it was so much pressure my heart was beating fast i knew everyone was going to be looking at me and i literally blacked out like i didn't realize

like i just walked and i'm like oh my gosh i promise you like i did not mean for it to be extra and to be honest i'm not even i'm just going to say it and i'm going to get hate for it i watched it back i really like i don't think it was that bad i just think you look beautiful you You looked beautiful and you looked confident. Thank you, Allie. Yeah, I mean, of course I'm going to walk out there and be confident because I am like I'm a confident person, but I'm also very humble. So it was like, you know, I didn't want anything to take away from like Chris and Crystal's day. Like this, that was like my main goal going in the day is like you will not be a part of any drama.

You will not let any drama ensue. You go and support your friends. And that's what I intended to do. Oh, and we totally felt that way exactly. And that was such a highly anticipated moment. And I just want to say, girl, like, you delivered. You did good girl A little round of applause

in the studio for you on that And it really almost felt like a rose ceremony Because everyone's are like panicking Trying to make a connection Or they might get set home Yeah exactly Exactly it's a cocktail party Before the roast ceremony

And so it definitely This is the good behind the scene stuff That makes this podcast so great You totally have that like anxiety And so Chris and I you didn't see this at all But we were just like jumping into like people And trying to like make people like connect And have conversations

and actually what you didn't see was we had Mike go up to Angela and we were like because you guys totally you so I want to say this you didn't see this and Angela deserves this this moment Angela was the hottest ticket at the wedding the hottest every man was like like between Clay and Chase and Mike Angela was just getting pulled in so many conversations it was like all about Angela and it was so I want to say I went back and I was actually walking and I was actually walking. as we were getting ready to leave and I saw all the all the you know cameras up and the TV monitors so I could see everything going on which was so cool to be able to like witness that and I just saw and I was saw you Angela and honestly I just felt so like proud and happy for you to because I know the journey that you'd gone on like through Clayne I know how defeated and brokenhearted you were and to see you just be celebrated to see you be acknowledged as a beautiful soul that you are and it made me so happy to have you just like celebrating and like people just see like dang you're a catch you are a full package so that was

really really special to witness and I was like angel's got this I'm out I'm gonna go enjoy my wedding night and I can only I'm sure Clay noticed all that too he did so what that must have felt like for him I'm sure he was kind of having some regret in that moment started the spiral um there's so much more to talk about with you Angela so if you're cool to stick around and chat with us for a little bit longer We would love that. Is that cool? Of course. Okay. But first, we're going to take a quick break. All right, guys, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. We're talking to Angela. All right. Now we need to get into Nicole. So, first of all, when did you find out, you know, was it at the wedding or was it before the wedding that Clay and Nicole were an item? So I thought it was funny because of the episode that aired,

Clay went back and told Nicole that he told me about her. And then you see in this week's episode, I say there was no mention of any girl. Yeah, Clay and I did not talk about Nicole. I mean, obviously I saw them at the wedding together. So, you know, I knew. But he did not mention her to me at the wedding. You mean he didn't mention his girlfriend when he was putting his hand on your leg while talking my jaw job in that moment. Okay. And again, meaning like I watched that back and I was like oh sugar he did that like I'm sure your adrenaline was pumping so much that's what I mean like you're just so in the moment when these things are happening and I was like yep he he did that you didn't have a boyfriend there's no problem with you know to you he's putting

his hand on your leg because there was a there's care there you know it's his he it was his bad for doing that that is nothing that you should have done differently so you didn't find out about Nicole until paradise like till you walk down paradise steps well no because I saw them together at the wedding. Okay. So you did see that, but he didn't mention. Oh, yeah. Okay. No, but he did not mention her. Okay. So you saw them together. When did you figure out that they had a more serious relationship? Because at this point, everybody's been talking about them in Paradise as of like, okay, there's a few couples. There's Dylan and Hannah. Yeah. Nicole in the very beginning. Yeah, from the beginning. So what were your thoughts? Like did you think this isn't real? So my thoughts were, and like this was my anthem going into Paradise is I'm not focusing on. clay and whoever he's with like that's his prerogative like i solely went in there with the

intention of focusing on my two connections that i made at the wedding and exploring those because at this point it's like i i had given all the cares that i had to give about clay in our relationship and what he was doing and i just didn't flat out didn't have any more to give to be frankly like honest so i was like you know what i'm going in i'm focusing on me like as everyone wants to say this year, I'm going to stay in my lane and, you know, focus on my relationship. So, you know, at that point, I didn't know how serious they were, but I mean, I assumed, you know, if they're holding hands and stuff at the wedding, that they must have been something. So I was like, okay, like, I did not go in there to, like, intentionally break them up. That was never, and I think everyone

saw that. I didn't even talk to Clay when I came in. Were you expecting, like, when you came down with Nicole, were you expecting like a warm invitation or were you concerned that she might have these connotations about your motives of like why you're there? Well, I mean, I am glad that she came down because I had intended to talk to her anyway. Like I said, it's, it's a weird situation. But at the same time, I think we all understand paradise is like everyone has some sort of X there. You know, Christina had, you know, Dean there at some point dating Kalin. Blake and Christina had, you know, been something at some point. He was there dating other people. You know, it's, it's a weird situation, but it's expected. So like, yeah, I'm so glad that

her and I, Nicole and I got to chat. And I, you know, I'm a girl's girl, 100%. I think, you know, people who know me know that. And that's why I just wanted to make it clear. Like, I'm not here for Clay. I'm not here to, you know, mess up anything between y'all. I'm here to focus on me. There's some things that I want to read. Nicole was saying some pretty crazy things about I just kind of want to get your opinion, but she was calling you a psycho, said you had creepy curls and a creepy smile. Well, you just have beautiful curls. Yeah, I'm like, your hair is amazing. If I were Nicole and I saw you come down in paradise, I probably would want to say something mean about your perfect character, because it's so perfect.

I mean, I mean, really, she really is perfect. But Angela, what was it like watching back and just seeing Nicole say all those hurtful things when she didn't even know you? You had not even met before. Yeah. You know, honestly, it was really hard to kind of see the ridicule. It didn't feel great. You know, everyone reacts differently in stressful situations. So, you know, I'm not going to sit here and bash Hirsch. Again, she's entitled to say and, you know, express how she feels. I personally would have taken a different route. But, you know, I get it. It's a weird situation. But, yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie. it was super hurtful just because it's like you guys don't like if I deserve it that's another thing like fine like lay it on like if I deserved it but like at this point I didn't know any of them at all um so for like the girls I don't know I'm just all about like supporting each other and yeah I mean it was hurtful for sure I think you know we we had Nicole on the podcast a few weeks ago and I don't know her that well obviously I just know her from that brief conversation and just from what I've seen on the show. I will say this, I bet, I feel that all of this is coming from a place of hurt. Yeah, absolutely. And scarcity. Yeah. Like, you know, the saying hurt people, hurt people. I feel like that's the situation here. And not that I'm trying to excuse her words or what she said at all. Because it's, it's not okay. You're right. It's not okay to say those things. I was really hard on Connor when he called Luke, even though Luke P was terrible. I was hard on him when he called Luke P a psychopath and swore at him at the. mental all because I just thought just because

someone's a bully doesn't give you the right to bully back. Correct. Yeah. So I guess my point in this is what I'm saying is I what she said about you was wrong, completely wrong. But I do think that there's a lot of jealousy there and a lot of hurt. So I

hope. And a lot of insecurity. And I mean, Angela, you are so beautiful. So of course any I think woman would just immediately feel threatened especially in that environment where I mean, it is fleeting and she's you know, very infested in this relationship with Clay that we've seen play out where I mean she's really head over heels so yeah it absolutely does not excuse her behavior but I just want to say

Angela again like just committing you just having like class and and really just a lot of grace that's really great I want to ask you how is how has it been on social media your entrance because we've seen how the Bachelor cast has um felt about potential ulterior motives how has it been on social media have you gotten any heat Um, so I was, you know, anticipating a lot of negativity, um, actually just, you know, I, I just wanted to be prepared, like, mentally. And it honestly was not really that bad. People, I think once people saw me, you know, explain, I don't want there to be a double standard. If it's, if he deserves to be here and it's okay for him, why on earth would it not be okay for me? So I think once people, you know, realized that everyone was, you know, like oh my gosh that's so true like why would why would she not get the same chance um so it honestly wasn't as bad as i thought it was going to be i mean of course you have your trolls that you just have to delete and block and you know it's like if you come on my page and spread negativity

you're going to get deleted and you're going to get blocked like that's just i'm sorry i'm not going to stand for that um but it honestly i received a lot of a lot of support and i'm so happy and like thankful and again like i don't want anybody to tear down Nicole or anybody else either like I just, I think it's like, you know, I tweeted this last night. If you don't have anything nice to say, then just don't say it at all. When you sat down with Clay and you talk to him, that's when I knew, okay, this girl has every right to be here. And I think a lot of people watching felt that same way because you were very clear. You were very respectful. You were, you spoke very eloquently. And there was no, like, I felt no, I'm here to get you back when you were in that conversation. Yeah. And to be honest, it's like I have a lot of like personal. stuff going on in my life right now that it's like I'm not I would never put myself in that situation if I didn't think there was potential in either of those um relationships and connections

that I had made why on earth would I ever put myself through that weird situation if it wasn't if I wasn't serious about finding somebody like I don't you know what I mean like it just it was so like black and white to me like plainest day like why isn't everybody seeing this but I also see the other side but yeah i mean i i'm not like i said a petty person or a drama person like excuse me like i'm not going to waste my time just to try to like ruin your time like really like you think i care that much like no i'm an adult like i said i'm an adult yeah i want to ask you when clay were talking um i was a little nervous to like watch that play back and because i knew from your perspective when you came back you shared with me how that had gone i know you were

really nervous to see how it would unfold and i know he had he had made some remarks um that were really hurtful and he had said that he broke up with you because you asked like why did he break up with you and he shared for really I guess the first time was that he said that he wanted someone who had bigger goals than to just be a mother and housewife. How did that feel hearing that? Yeah, I thought I thought that was a little ridiculous because let me just start by saying for the first, you know, two months he's sitting there saying, you know, it's not me. He once he knows we're supposed to be together, I'm his wife, blah, blah, blah, like, I just need to find myself. And then he sits there and changes his story. He's like, well, I didn't

tell you any of this because I didn't want to hurt you. Yet he, it's like, wait a minute. So I caught you there in a lie. And then he's coming up with his ridiculous claims. And it's, yes, I honestly, like, I feel like God put me on this earth to be a wife and a mother. That's what I excel at. That, like, how dare you diminish that? Just because it doesn't line up with whatever. like it's 2019 women can be whatever the hell we want to be like if we want to be a CEO perfect if we want to be a mom kill it if we want to be an artist on the street work it like how dare you like that to me and it's like of course I have other goals like I really love to do interior design I have a YouTube channel I'm a model like I have I certainly have other goals and things that I do like it really ooh like that was just a low blow in my Yeah, I know you were, we really heard about that. And I think that I'm, I want to see how that's going to play out with women who are stay at home moms who race family because that is a really tough job. And so I felt that I was, I was really disappointed when he had said that because I felt that he was really minimizing the power and strength of, you know, moms. Exactly. I am a parent. I have two children, one and three. And I will say that. I have the utmost respect for stay-at-home mothers.

I cannot imagine how difficult, I can't imagine because I have my kids, but that would be the most difficult job in the entire world. It takes so much passion and patience and love and commitment and physicality. It's exhausting to be a stay-at-home mom. I mean, I have been a stay-at-home mom at times. You know, first eight months of my daughter's life, I was a stay-at-home mom while trying to work on the side, but nobody watched her except for me. So yeah, no, I mean, it's like I can still have my side help. Like the thing, he just worded it in a way that made

it seem like I was just lazy and wanted it easy way out or something. And I'm like, and I'm like, excuse me, sir, like I paid for every single flight to Chicago, which was a lot. Like, I never asked him for anything. Like, how dare you? How dare you? Like, I was very, that was like, okay, buddy. All right, cool. You know, one of my favorite parts of that conversation was he's like, like, Ange, I just wanted you to go to the gym with me. And you're like, but you go for four hours. I don't want to go for four hours to the gym. He's like, well, you can't at least go and warm up with me.

She's like, no. You guys, I got broken up with because I wouldn't go to the gym with it. Sue me. And also, okay, so like one of my favorite things is like, you know, you've been like called like Revenge Body. And that was a big thing also. He was like, I mean, that was a big thing too. He's like, I want you to work out with me.

And I knew that when we were vacationing like in Miami, you know, like a year ago in September and like you weren't super into working out at that time but breaking up you had heard he'd said these he'd had those remarks you know you'd heard he'd said those things about you that not going to the gym and so I want to ask like was that like what like spurned you to like dedicate yourself and this like health of fitness because Angela calls me she's like girl like let me know what to do in the gym I was like there and like I knew like she was like on this like hunt to like get in the best shape of her of her life and I want to say Angela I want to commend you because I am health and fitness coach. And it is like when you use like fitness as your tool to empower yourself

and like work through your like your anger, frustrations and like believe in yourself, it can transform your life. Yeah. No, it's like, so I didn't do it like for Clay. It was kind of more like a cathartic thing to me. And also this is the part that didn't get shown is I kept telling Clay in our relationship as soon as we like settle down in one place. We're not moving hotels every night. we're not, you know, traveling here and there. Like, as soon as we have a stable life, like, I go to the gym. I do. I just, it's, it's, it's hectic, you know, when you're just moving around. But it's like, no, it's like, you ever hear that quote, like, be motivated by every MF that ever did you wrong and then do it for you. Like, that's my, that's my answer right now. Like,

I did it for me. Yeah. I mean, one thing I will say. I mean, it's a bonus that, you know, everything else. But I did it, I did it for me as more of like a cathartic kind of really. And also, like, Angela, we talked about this. I just wouldn't like say this because everyone was like oh my gosh you lost so much weight and like how much did you lose you lost like 10 pounds less than that yo like 8 pounds i just toned i just toned i lost like yeah it wasn't even it was nothing and i just toned up and everybody was acting like i was like 200 pounds and lost like a hundred pounds i'm like y'all was i fat before and nobody told me like i didn't think i was that bad before i was like shit you weren't we just put some lean muscle on you and you look fabulous i just toned up a little bit

I mean, I think those are conversations that you need to have. Like, if it's something that's really important to you, like, you need to say so. You know, if something, you know, something that's really important to me is sitting on the couch at the end of the day and having a glass of wine. That is very important to me. Okay. I look forward to that day from the time I wake up in the morning. No, I'm kidding.

I'm kidding. But if my husband never wanted to do that, let's say every day at the end of the day when we put the kids to bed, he wanted to go for a run. That was his thing. I would say to him one day, hey, babe, you know, it's. really important to me to have a glass of wine at the end of the night and watch a show. And I really want to do that with you because I love you and you're, you're my spouse. And I would, I would, I'd like you to do that with me because that's our time to sort of bond at the end of the

night. So I think that's sort of maybe where, what he meant by that. Like, I wish that you, like, shared in some of the things that I like to do with me. But it's just like the way he went about it. And obviously, like, too late. Too little too late. And like, I think ultimately it comes down to like, what's the lesson in the blessing here? Open communication. Exactly. Speaking to your spouse about the things that are important to you. And, you know, Fitness is important to me and I know like I was in a relationship when I was training in a competition and I can relate because Clay I mean he training was a part of his job. I mean it really really was he has an hour warm up and I know when I was when I did like fitness competition I was dating someone and I was working out and meal prepping and very very committed to that goal and my now ex was not and it really did cause a rift in our relationship because I felt almost guilty for putting this work into this important goal of mine. And I really needed that support and it really caused a rift. So I always talk with my clients, like, who are starting journeys and how they need to have that open communication with their partner of bringing, of onboard.

I call it spouse onboarding, bringing them on and bringing them into your goal and then working on it together. And I'm telling you, it's like when you have that conversation, you feel supported, you're empowered and you're doing it together as a couple. So did Clay ever sit down, like, talk with you and just say, hey, this is really important to me. Like, can you support me and be a part of this? yeah well here's the thing is like i literally always supported him and encouraged him like yeah go take the time you know the time go train like i know this is important to you and it's part of working towards your goal because he was trying you know so hard to get into that back into the NFL and i totally support him like please go take time go do you like even though you know i was

in chicago and whatever i was like i can be by myself like i totally supported him and wanted him to do that so i mean it was it was never a fact of like oh i was like oh it's like oh don't go to the gym. I was like, go to the gym. Go, like, go for it. I was totally I'm trying to put myself in your shoes. And I'm trying to imagine being in the situation of going to paradise, this guy who you didn't just date. You were in love with. Like, you saw yourself marrying. You saw yourself having children with this man. When they were picking out baby names. Picking out baby names. There had to have been, in my opinion, some part

of you that was hoping you guys would get back together in paradise. Yes. Do you want me to be completely honest? Yes. I don't want to be, I mean, I don't want to be, like, savage or whatever. I'm not going to, but it's just like, like I said, like the, the moment that I, I knew he stepped on to that beach, I was done. I was done. Something to shut off. Because I'm like this, like, it was, like, it was like the last care in me was given at that moment because I'm like, this man gives zero cares about me. Because he knew. he knew it was wrong. He did. And, you know, I said, like I said, he's a grown man. He can do what he wants. He makes his own decisions, obviously. But the moment, like, and like I said, there's, like a lot of outside stuff happening that he also knew about. And I'm like, this man literally gives no cares about me. He gives no cares. So whenever, you know, I knew he did that, I was like, I don't, like I said, like, I'm not bashing clay. Clay, you know what I mean? I'm not, I'm not going to tear him. him down, he's entitled to whatever he wants to do. But I just knew for me personally at that moment, I'm like, I don't want somebody who could do that to me. And I just feel like he has just throughout the course of relationship, like, just repeatedly hurt me like over and over again, like just repeatedly. And so I was just like, I don't want to be with somebody like that.

I deserve more. I know my worth and I know what I have to offer. And I want to offer that to somebody who would not treat me the way that I was treated. And that's nothing against Clay. No, that's really wise words. Do you think that you are ready for a new relationship, that you are fully over all the hurt that Clay has caused you and like ready to give yourself fully to someone? A hundred percent. I, I have been ready. I'm the one, not the one person, But I'm one of the few people that always goes on the show is truly, honestly, looking for love. I want to leave engaged every time that I go. I, like I said, like I just feel like my calling has just been so deeply rooted and, you know, finding the love of my life and starting a family and things like that.

And that's something that I'm very serious about. And that's really like my main priority right now. I mean, yes, I have my side hustles, but that's kind of like my one puzzle piece. piece that's been missing and I've been so ready for that. I just, you know, I want someone to go to like Whole Foods with and just walk around. Like, you know, I just want someone to do life with and I'm, I'm so ready for that. Companion. If there was one thing you could change in the last 12 months, what would that be? Oh, that's a tough one. I would say probably just recognizing and coming to the realization earlier, you know, not letting that breakup be dragged

out as long as it was, drug out. I would say that, probably like standing up for myself sooner, I would say. What do you think of Clay today? Like, what are your feelings on him right now? I just really hope that he's happy. And, like, again, like, I really, I'm not, I'm not bitter. And that did hurt my feelings. I saw in the episode he called me bitter. I'm not a bitter person. I don't hold grudges. That did hurt my feelings. I'm not bitter. I do wish him the best. I hope he's happy. I hope he does figure out his next steps in life and finds himself or has found himself. And I really don't wish any ill will towards him. I hope he's happy because it may, you know, it just made me very sad to see him so low. So again, like we, Clay and I went through a lot together. We went through a lot. And I just, I wish him nothing but the best, to be honest. You chose to give your rose to Chase over Mike. And Mike's got a pretty hardcore Bachelor Nation following. So I think his fans are going to want to know.

Why did you make that decision? Yeah. So I decided to give my rose to Chase instead of Mike because I went on like back-to-back dates, basically. I went on a date with Mike one day. The next day I went on the date with Chase. So I had like, you know, a good time frame to kind of compare them, you know, to each other and see.

And my romantic connection with Chase was just stronger. Mike and I kind of, it's like after, you know, the date and having, you know, that day with him and then going on the date with Chase, I realized like, okay, Mike and I seemed more kind of like friendly, like, not buddy buddy, but, you know, just chill like homies, you know. I mean, you don't need to explain that. Like, that's one thing you can't explain is a connection. Like, you had a connection with like a strong one with Chase, not so much with mine. It's just there and palatable. Angela, I want to ask like with Mike, we've seen so much of him just smiling all the time. Like, I want to really see some more serious sights to him. Like, are there other layers? Does he get upset? Does he get sad? Does he get angry? Is there passion there? Did you experience any of those emotions, like, in your one-on-one date with him?

Yeah, I mean, we had some serious moments, you know, when him and I were discussing, you know, life things. He was more serious. And then on the beach, the next day, you know, just discussing like, you know, what we wanted in our futures and things like that. Yeah, he does have a more serious side. You know, but Mike's known for his smile. It's infectious. You know, it lights up a room. But yeah, I think Mike does have some more depth to him for sure. And don't hate me, Angela. And I'm almost embarrassed to him at this. But I did say that I wanted Clay to be the bachelor before this interview. Or before these episodes. Now I definitely don't think that he is ready for that. But sorry, I just felt like I had to be open and honest with you about that. Because this is all about open communication. Yes, it is. Yeah.

And I guess speaking of and just to wrap up your time with Clay, do you feel like you got the closure in that relationship that you needed? Oh, yeah. For sure. I 100% like have closure. At this point. Not when the relationship ended, but now you do. Well, I mean, yeah.

And like whenever we were on the beach, each a head closure too. Right. All right, Angela. The ship has sailed. I know. That ship has sailed. And you're going to go off and meet someone amazing and, you know, like we said, they pull these bachelor and bacheloretts out of anywhere. Who knows? Maybe you could be the next bachelor's right. You just never know. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. We really appreciate it. Well, thanks for having me. It was so fun chatting with you guys. And Crystal, oh my gosh, this was so much fun. Thank you so much for having me. I had an absolute blast. Yeah. And guys, just so you know, Crystal woke up with no voices.

morning. And she did like very interesting vocal exercises and got her voice back. Yeah, just for this podcast. I was honestly sweating a little bit. That whole train ride. There was quite some weird noises coming from my vocals. Oh, well, thank you so much. It was so much fun. Angela, thank you too. You'll have to come back on the show again when Rachel is here. I know that she would love to talk to you. Oh, I would love that. Yeah, she's the best. And for all of you listening, Rachel will be back next week. And we're going to hear all about her wedding and her amazing honeymoon. I've seen the pictures, and it just looks incredible. It looks like she's relaxing and just soaking up all the love that her and Brian have together, and I can't wait

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