Bachelor Happy Hour - Bachelor Peter Weber

Episode Date: April 7, 2020

After weeks of silence, “The Bachelor’s” Peter Weber opens up to Rachel and Becca about the ups and downs of his time as the Bachelor. When did he know things weren’t going to work out between him and Hannah Ann? How did things unravel with Madison?Plus, Peter reveals how he ended up quarantining in Chicago with Kelley and sets the record straight on whether or not they are dating.Be sure to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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have on the podcast today, none other than Peter Weber. That's right. I feel like this has been an unusual season because usually you get your answers. You kind of know how things end and you move on and you get ready for the next season. Well, that hasn't been the case because we are in quarantine. There's not a current Bachelorette season filming right now. Things were kind of up in the air when it came to Peter's season. We've never seen an ending like this. So we were just kind of left in limbo. So none of us know much more than we're seeing out there today. So finally, we'll get to see what's going on from Peter himself. Yeah, Rach, I cannot wait.

This is one of the interviews that, I mean, obviously we have been waiting a while for because we did not get to speak to Peter after the finale, unfortunately. And this is probably one of the most requested interviews we've had yet. I literally, still to this day, get DMs being like, bring Peter on, bring Peter on. So today is that day. Now, I don't know about you, but on a very selfish and personal level. I'm just dying to know what's going on, because like you said, we kind of get little tidbits of info here and there of what, maybe what he's doing, where he is, who he's hanging out with. But it hasn't been confirmed by Peter himself yet. And so I can't wait to get him on. Obviously, we've spoken with Hannah Ann after the finale. We got her take, but we need Peter's take too because there's probably much more to the story. And we're missing a lot.

You know, and Peter, like I, regardless, of what people think about Peter and how his season ended. I still love him. I still want nothing but the best for him. So I really want to hear from him because we have some major questions. And so I just think for the sake of everyone, we just have to get into it, bring him in because... From the beginning, Becca, from the beginning. From the beginning. From the beginning. We have to get into it. Well, Rachel, we've joked all season. Like, we kept saying when it was going on. There was so much drama and we're like, we just needed to get to the end. We just wanted to end and figure out what's going on. And like, we never got anything.

obviously the way everything panned out, he didn't end up with anyone, as far as we know, at this point, who knows if things have changed since then. So I think, what we're going to say? Well, no, I was going to say even the finale, normally from the finale, we get some type of resolution, but because of Barb, who we adore, it was like the focus went towards that. So we didn't even focus really on the fact that Peter dumped Hannah Ann, his relationship with Madison, because the focal point was Barb. Right.

So Chris Harrison didn't get to dig deep. So today we're going to play Chris Harrison. Can't wait. Well, I think without further ado, we just have to get into it. We have to get started with Peter. So ladies and gentlemen, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, please give a warm welcome to our latest Bachelor Peter Weber. Peter!

Hi, Peter. Hello, hello. How's it going? I'm good. She don't like a villain, you know. Peter, where are you at right now? I'm in so I'm in Chicago I'm at Kelly's apartment right now

Oh getting to the good stuff right away By the way I got Dustin that says hi Dusty waves Hi Wait Was Dustin was Dustin Dustin was supposed to be You Rachel

Peter was he supposed to be our One of our bachelors for the live show Were you supposed to be a bachelor for the live show Oh yeah he was I didn't even know that Yeah we'll tell him to keep next your in February reserved. I'll keep next February reserve

because they're coming back to you. All right. So it's okay. Where's Kelly? Kelly's still sleeping. What time is it? What did you do last night? Yeah, what was going on last night?

What did you do? We had a good night. We had some fun. We had like a dance party because have you seen like these DJs that have been doing these live shows. DJ nice. Have you watched his?

Not his. No, we were watching Griffin and, I thought the other guys, or Louie the Child. But yeah, we were just... Didn't you want to be a DJ? Weren't you going to become a DJ? I would love to.

That's always been like a huge passion of mine. Really? Yeah, I've always just like known that I have it in me. Like I have that, whatever that is, like just pump up a crowd and like give what I feel to them. I just have to figure out a way to take it out. I got to learn what I'm doing, obviously. But I know Blake, he's like, he's doing it.

I've been talking to him a little bit and, uh, because I have so much free time. You know, I might as well do something else. What would be your style, like your, your type of music that you would do? Tropical House. So if you know, like, Kaig. You ever heard of Kaigo? Yes. Okay, so, like, his kind of music is, like, the music that talks to me and touches me the most.

So, like, that exact vibe, like a lot of, like, piano, like, instrumentals, but just, like, that good, feel good music. Did you know that there's, like, a legit DJ school? Yeah. I did not. Okay, because when I saw Blake at the Boucher Live tour, He was telling me, he's like, yeah, I went to DJ school. I'm like, where the hell is a DJ school? I've never heard of it, but it sounds cool.

Sounds like it'd be kind of, I mean, not kind of a pretty fun school. No, I think, yeah, he went to one in Denver, so I'm going to look for one in L.A. And all this stuff is said and done. But I got my laptop, got all the equipment, so. Oh, you're serious. I mean, why not pick up a passion and a hobby during this time? So I'm going to ask you off the bat. Have you changed your stance on coronavirus?

virus? Are you talking about like? I have to ask you, Peter. Like from that one like TMZ thing? Yeah. Yeah, I can yeah, I fully change my stance. That was before everything. I did. I used to think that, yeah, it was just kind of like a overblown thing, like unwarranted fear. Obviously it is not. I was one billion percent wrong. And yeah, I apologize for those comments. We'll call this the redemption podcast. You know, I would give you a chance. I know. You have a chance to clear things up. I don't know what I was thinking when I said that. The guy called me off guard, but whatever, yeah.

Completely 180. Hey, I will say when I was still on the tour before everything got shut down and we had to be locked inside, because I was on the tour with Ben, and Ben seemed overly paranoid at that point. And I was like, oh, I don't go away. It's not going to be that bad. And then fast forward to a month later, I'm like, I am biting my tongue right now. So, I get it.

I know. It's dad, but, yeah, hopefully this, you know, kind of. blows over soon who knows yeah but you're doing your thing you're quarantining so you're doing your part right i as much as people think i haven't been i promise you i've been quarantining and social distancing here in chicago so for all of the listeners right now you can't see us we are on zoom so we're all looking at each other but uh peter is quarantining um i don't know if you miss at the top of this but he is quarantining where and uh good old shy town chicago with with uh with good old chop chop kelly and dustin who's chop chop chop that's that's what i that's the nickname i've

given kelly that's like on the last um on her last episode in peru she's like chop chop chop give me the rose and so now i just call her chop chop all okay okay cute little nickname a little pet name so i i i was gonna hold off on the kelly stuff but i i will ask you this and i'm hoping by the time that we've we're into this podcast that she wakes up. I really don't think she's asleep. I just think that she's hiding. But that's okay, Kelly. That's okay. You know what? I'm going to send a text there and give her no excuse. Because we've always been Kelly fans. So, you know, you got a friend in us on this podcast. That's my sister in the law. So that's right. Yep. Exactly. So my question is, we saw the TMZ photos come out. Yeah. Whether you guys were aware that was going to happen or not,

I don't know. You were in a pretty public place. So it wasn't shocking, I guess, that somebody caught, you know, you guys all hanging out. Right. So I guess my question is, when you decided to do it, were y'all like, fuck it? You know what I mean? We're just going to go out, hang out. People are going to talk regardless.

Let's go. Honestly, so we had been cooped up in Kelly's apartment for like almost like a week before that ever came. out with those pictures. And then finally, it was a gorgeous thing in Chicago. Um, they really, Dustin and Kelly really wanted me to do the river walk, which is like this gorgeous thing to do here. And at first we were going to do like a kind of hidden one closer to, uh, to Kelly's apartment, but then like, no, let's do the main one. Um, so we ended up doing it. And, uh, honestly, like, wore a hat, sack glasses, thought we'd kind of be good, wasn't trying to like put it in people's faces at all. Um, and I, that first picture I remember, I literally, we were at like the,

one of the slips there on the lake. And like, I picked, up real quick did like a little spinny thing just for fun and then someone taking dust is like well someone just got a picture and we're like no and then whatever you know Peter people are always watching you need to get a wig or something I know I know I know seriously I need to like work on like a better disguise but um I mean listen at that point too I don't think I know people were like kind of upset with the whole social distancing thing and they just didn't know they didn't you know the facts about what I chose and do at that point so I totally get their frustration with that but now that I can kind of clear it up

we were social distancing and it was just us and at that point that riverwalk was still open like there was thousands of people on it so that's the problem Peter that's why people were upset there were all those people there well that was allowed at that point that order had been allowed to you're allowed to go walk and get exercise and get fresh air and then the next day they closed it so yeah because of you guys honestly you brought so much attention to the riverwalk they closed it down so inquiring minds would know how did you you end up quarantining at Kelly's take us back okay yeah um so I keep saying just with Kelly and I it's been like very uh serendipitous with just everything that's kind of happened

from the very beginning how we met before the show um I don't know if everyone knows but while the show is airing um we ran we ran in each other again in Miami uh one at the Super Bowl um that was crazy just a brief brief uh you know hello how you doing by and then fast forward now a couple weeks ago, through some mutual friends. We ran into each other third time out in L.A., got her number, started communicating. She's always been very supportive of me, and, you know, I've tried my best to be supportive of her. Some stuff ended up happening with her family, some, like, serious stuff, like, health stuff. So she was kind of like in a sad place, a rough place, and she was by herself, her roommates were in Chicago.

Her family was in Florida, you know, quarantine. And so I decided to fly out, spent some time with her, try to take her mind off things. and, you know, that's what I did. I also, it actually ended up just working out because, you know, obviously I still live at home and I fly still, I have to for the essential work. And I was like, it better to just like make this my home base and go back home and risk giving something to my parents,

you know, who are in their 60s. And they just made sense on all fronts. And, you know, I could be there for her and, you know, hopefully I put a smile on her face and, you know, distract her a little bit. So that was nicely put without being, too specific. That's the truth.

I believe you. No, I believe you. I want to dig because I want to know personally when the third time that you say there's mutual friends who kind of hooked you guys up to bump into each other. Was that, did that happen to be during the women tell all? No. This was way after all of that. She's, I guess, her brothers are really good friends with Katie Agro.

Oh, yeah. And so I guess through that connection, she was saying with them, I'm really good friends Christian Haggerty and I was out with Dylan and Devon one night and then I Dylan had been texting Christian so I started texting Christian and then we were like yeah come out and meet with me meet us and you know Kelly was with him like this is crazy so it's serendipitous like you said yeah I'll say I mean I was in Miami for the Super Bowl and I didn't run into either one of y'all so I mean and I guess it really is serendipitous maybe they were hiding at that point Peter I'm excited that

we have you and that you're finally clearing it up because I cannot begin to tell you the amount of DMs that I personally receive or that Garrett receives asking about you and if you and Kelly are together. And I've said this on the podcast before with Rachel, like people think just because we're part of this Bachelor world that we're on the show, like we somehow magically know everything about everyone. And that's not the case. So I don't know or that we care to know. We don't even care to know. Yeah. There's too many of us now. Like there's, no way. And so I just don't even respond to people that ask me about you guys. So everyone listening, you've heard it from the horse's mouth here. Peter. But listen, we are, listen,

we aren't dating right now. I can set that straight. I, me personally, obviously, if I've learned anything, it's to take things extremely slow and not rush into anything. I just was engaged. I just was finishing up another relationship, figuring out what was going to happen with that. So, you know, we're there. Wait, Peter. I got to ask you a question. I'm sorry I believe you that you're not dating 100% believe you I'd also like to point out

that you were using Kelly's Zoom count I know I'm not her apartment I know nothing gets past me I have never I was talking to Caitlin the other day during the podcast

and she like didn't want to say it she's like oh is he trying to hide this or something and then she's like so whose computer are you on I was like oh it's Kelly so she's like oh okay I was going to see I don't think you're trying to hide anything, which personally, I think is kind of refreshing. It's, I think you've learned the hard way, like a lot of leads that have had a difficult time.

People have been hard on you. Like, let's just call it what it is. And they're going to be hard on you. Some people are going to like what you do. Some people aren't. So you just kind of have to live your life and cancel out all the other noise. And it seems like you're doing that. But back to what you said.

You said you're taking it slow and you're not dating. yet you literally called where you are home right now. You said, I'm just making this my home base. That kind of sounds fast to see each other every day. Where you are quarantining? How many bedrooms does Kelly have? You know what I mean? She's got three bedrooms.

No roomation. Peter, don't even try to tell me that you and Dustin are in your own rooms. We each have our own room. And we got Sophie here too, Dustin's dog, so we're having a party. It's a good time. It's just, I mean, like, obviously it sounds like so much fun, you know, to have a group of people because a lot of people are alone right now. But it also doesn't sound like you're taking slow. I'm just, I'm just saying. So the perfect way to get to know somebody is like this.

I understand that, but I will use the defense that we are quarantining together. So we have no choice but it's done all of our time together. And I just, I'm grateful for that. Very grateful because we get along so well. I just, yeah, I look up there and just have so much respect for us. So here's my segue into moving on. Do you feel like at this point, because how many weeks have you been quarantined in Chicago? I'm guessing now, like a little over two, two and a half, maybe? So do you feel like you know Kelly better than you knew Hannah Ann or Madison at this point? Yes.

Yep. Yeah. Segway. Go ahead. I know you do. You've spent a lot of time with her. Yeah. I know more about my husband now than I have.

I keep seeing. If couples can make it through this quarantine, when you are locked in together 24 seven. You can make it through anything after this. It's very true. Yeah. No, I've definitely gotten to know her very well. Everything that kind of makes her tick and just kind of like a noise or all that stuff. Yeah. And you're still there. Go ahead, Becca. Well, Peter, we have so many questions for you. I mean, we have a list here and I was up late last night writing and what I want to make sure to ask you because I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants answers to everything. want to start, though, first by just kind of giving you the floor because, I mean, it's been a while now since your finale. We haven't really heard too much from you. You know, you didn't do a press tour once everything went down. You kind of just, I mean, not went off the grid, but, you know, secluded away in Chicago. And so first and foremost, I want to know why, why this timing do you feel like it's right to finally come out and chat with all of us and give your side? And then I really want you to just take it away. And I'm sure you have so much on your chest that you

you want to start off by saying and kind of clear the air on some things. So we'll save our deep, dark, tough questions for a little bit later. Okay. Yeah. I just need a time. You know, after the whole show ended, obviously, you know, a lot had gone on there. You know, obviously, you know, yeah, I should have the press to apologize for not really just being in the headspace to do that. But I just wasn't. I know Madison wasn't as well. And that was just a tough couple days for us right after. That was just kind of like the last thing on my mind.

And obviously there was a lot of stuff that had happened between Madison and I right after that show and, you know, into the next two days. And then after that, you know, I just wanted to essentially just be there for my family. I wanted us to just, you know, come together and support each other. We were going through a lot. There was a lot of, you know, comments, all the critics, everyone just it was going. It was kind of crazy. It was insane.

And yeah, I guess just press really was the last thing on my mind. You know, fast forward now a couple of weeks. And I really like, I know it probably sounds crazy, but like I'm in a really, really good place right now. And I feel just really good. And I'm really happy to that, you know, that I do feel that way because it wasn't that way for a while after everything kind of ended. And then just, you know, having to see so much stuff and so much hate,

that stuff's like just really took a while to kind of like, you know, I knew, I thought I had tough skin and this, you know, really tested that. And now I have even tougher skin. And yeah, I remember, you know, know, finally reaching out and, like, you know, saying, like, listen, I'm ready to, you know, kind of talk. And there just, there was so much stuff out there that just people were making all these claims and assumptions on just, like, like, you know, guesses. There were no facts, like no factual stuff. And so I'm like, all right, it's probably time for me to just clear some

stuff up. And so that's why I felt comfortable doing it. Um, yeah, it's been a whirlwind. Crazy, crazy experience, but. Well, and I will say this. I mean, for people that come from the show, it's it's hard to kind of fathom like what we go through I think a lot of times like any contestant who comes from the show kind of gets objectified and people think that they know everything about us and they have their opinions and their comments and it's hard enough coming out of the show especially as a lead and having all of that attention fixated on you and you have it coming at all ends you hear great things new hear terrible things I can't imagine not only this that, but then having that come towards your family members, too, and the people you love the

most. Like, I, like, props to you, and I hope that you and your family, you know, have taken some time to talk and really sort things out and figure that out, because if anyone was coming for my mom, like, how people were coming for Barb, oh, I would have lost it. Like, there's no way I would have been able to handle that. And I would not have stayed cool, calm, and collected by any means. So props to you, I hope, I actually want to know. So, you know, we saw your parents take on after the final rows and kind of where they stood in regards to your relationship with Madison. Where are things now with you, and especially with your mom? We are in a really good place as well right now. And it's something that, like, our relationship

is just so close, like I'm sure you guys have with your mom. And I just, you know, I know she's just my number one fan and you know is only wanted what's best for me um that whole thing obviously just came from a place of love could the delivery of everything have been you know so different absolutely and you know she's the first one to admit that um but you know from going down that stage to um or having that stuff happen on stage and then you know i didn't go home like for a couple because i was still in the hotel um being kept there for a couple days after but when i did go home um you know it was just more of a and the way my family dynamic kind of works is like we are so close and yeah, did it kind of seem like a little much and a little dramatic when

it was, you know, what transpired. But that's just like that's also my family. And like I feel like that's a lot of families, to be honest, in everyday life just behind closed doors. You know, where people aren't going to agree all the time. Family members are going to just have their own opinions and be passionate about it. And after kind of reflecting on it, it almost like just made me even more proud of my mom that, you know, she, you know, obviously is very outspoken and we'll speak your mind and, you know, being on live TV, being in that pressure situation and having all this pressure to kind of conform to like maybe a possibly certain narrative, the fact that she didn't. And doing that out of like her love for me is such a beautiful thing. You know, delivery

aside, like that's something that I just respect to how out of my mom's for or something. I wish I could be a little bit more like her in regards to just like putting your foot down and just like, you know, speaking, you know, your true heart. So we're doing really good. We have that relationship where, you know, we come in and we give each other a hug and nothing is going to, nothing is going to get in the way of that. And it's all good. We'll always have each other's back. You know, we're family. And, you know, those are the closest people to me.

And very lucky to have that kind of relationship. You know, I'm glad that you guys are doing, okay, I never had a doubt that you wouldn't be fine. I think things just needed to cool down. I think that, you know, it's not, to me, it was a cultural thing. which I understood. And not the people did. Yeah. And that's just, in general, who watches the show?

They don't understand things. I agree. And I think, like you said, your mom agrees. The delivery wasn't right, but I understood the passion and the intention behind it. Right. You know, I reach out to your mom. I talk to your mom through DMs. She loves you guys.

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I do have a question. Yeah. From what your mom said at the finale, do you still think that mother knows best? 100%. And, you know, we can go into it if you guys want, but, you know, the next two days with Madison and I, you know, we had a lot of conversations. and at the end of the day, at the end of that second day, we essentially were just proving my mom right. And, you know, I've always heard that, yeah, mom's no best.

And, you know, there's a reason that saying's out there. And I think they do. I do have one main question. I mean, as you know, we did get Hannah Ann's take during the finale. Right. The one question I have. And so I told Hannah Ann this too, like watching that back, obviously I can empathize with her and relate to her because I went through something so similar. I want to know. And this is one thing that, and I told her this, I don't think when I was broken up with on TV and went through it all. Like, I wasn't able to process it with the cameras there. I was so blindsided and just I really blacked out. Like I legit did not know what to say. And in her case, it seemed like she was much more vocal to you. She had a lot more to say to you as I just hit in the bathroom and cried. But my question for you, and this is something that I had wanted to ask Ari during my, or,

his after the final rose, and I just never did. When was the moment that it changed for you? Because during the proposal and that day, and we even talked to Neil Lane, seeing you, you looked so happy, so ecstatic. You were kissing the ring. You just seemed like complete 180 from what we saw go down. And so when was that one moment for you where things clicked and you're like, this relationship isn't going to work out and I have to now end things with my fiance. It was, man, that was just like, that was the absolute, like I keep saying, that was just the hardest week of my life. And I remember, yeah, that interaction I had, you know, with Neil Lane.

Before that had happened, I remember, you know, the production was all setting up to film, and that was in my hotel room, and I was, like, outside in the living room area. And before that happened, like, I, like, made an excuse to go into my room and just get away from everyone for a second and just, like, close the door and just, like, really sat down and was like because I was just struggling like no other obviously in regards like what had happened with Madison and seeing if I could actually do this like the heartbreak that I was feeling could I actually pull myself together is this something that I truly felt like I should be doing and I remember sitting there thinking that was like my last chance to

maybe go a different direction and I just sat there for probably 20 minutes just in my own head like really like what do I do what do I was so confused and I I'm the reason I bring that up is is like this stuff like I'm just to be so honest like I'm not obviously proud of it but these these questions you know began probably even before I even proposed and I know looking back on it now that should have been like a clear sign to me but I did know that I loved Hannah-Anne I did know that I felt heartbreak in the past and then I could get over it I would get over it and did I want to possibly let this temporary pain that yeah I can't have time to process this right now like a normal relationship and grieve it, do I want to let this possibly take away something

or prevent me from getting into something so beautiful down the road for the rest of my life? I made the decision to go forward and I guess, you know, kind of convinced myself that I was ready to propose to Hannah Ann. And again, I'm not proud of that, but that's the truth. And I kept just holding on to the love that I had for her and just what I, the potential. And then I guess after the show is over now, you know, we would do happy couples and, you know, I got to see her, you know, three or four times. And during those visits, you know, I had, I love, like, I love Hannah-Anne. I truly, I'm such a big fan of Hannah-Anne, and I always will be.

We've always had a great time together. I just think that slowly was sure that I just noticed that maybe we weren't as compatible as I thought we were. And I say that in regards to possibly just like the two of us challenging each other in a relationship. I just didn't, I didn't necessarily feel it as much as I thought I was going to. in those next couple meetings. And listen, a little bit of it, too, was unresolved feelings for, you know, for Madison.

And that was the stuff that I struggle with like no other. So as crazy of an answer, you know, obviously it started even before. And that's not easy to admit, but that's the truth. So I lied. Now I have questions. I knew you were going to, Rach. Well, I am listening to you talk. you feel that you were pressured into proposing to Hannah-A-N-A-N-A-Mas. Yeah. I think it was just my own

self-imposed pressure. I really do think that, like, I, yeah, did I, I didn't need to come out of this. What was that? No, go ahead. Sorry. I didn't, like, need to go into the show and, like, come out of engage. And, like, if I don't, like, it really wasn't like that, but I don't know. At that, at the end there, I just, I saw such like a, I really did. I really did. I saw all the potential in the world for an amazing relationship. I had never, ever felt, ever felt the love from someone like Hannah-Anne had shown me ever in my entire life. And that was one of the biggest things that I was looking for coming into this process. And she showered that on me like no other. Similarly to how I felt like I've given that to women in the

past, I haven't reciprocated it to me. I finally found that. And I was like, I can't, I can't lose this girl. Like this girl is like, she's just amazing in every way. She's perfect in every way. Almost seems like too good to be true. But that's just who Hannah-Anne is. and so I put a lot of pressure on myself. I mean, a little bit from the show, yeah, sure. I can admit that. And yeah, it's just a tough, tough week for me. So, Peter, that last week, especially that last day then, do you think, like, did it ever cross

your mind to just say, you know, I still love Hannah Ann, even though I am heartbroken from Madison leaving, but instead of committing and, you know, getting down on one knee and giving her that ring. Did it ever cross your mind to just say like, hey, let's stay together. Let's see where this goes. Let's not put the pressure of an engagement on this relationship, but I still want to see where our relationship can go. It did. It totally did. And my thought process and that just was I felt a little bit of it, you know, and granted, looking back, Hannah, I probably would have, you know, wish that I would have done that. But in the moment, I was thinking, you know, it might just be, I was trying to put myself in Hannah Ann's shoes and like if someone said that to me like it would

obviously pull me back and take a couple steps back now thinking how serious you actually were in the relationship and you know a lot of the show too it's like it's a beautiful beautiful moment that you two can share together and remember for the rest of your lives and while yes I can admit that I was heartbroken and I was doing a lot of stuff at that time again I kept looking to what could be with us and I didn't want to possibly take a beautiful moment that we could look back on and I'd be like, just so happy that I did do it. And we have it documented now, you know, for the rest of our lives. Like, that was a big reason why I wanted to do the show was, you know, to hopefully have my story documented that I could pass down, you know, my kids and my grandkids, and they could

all see it. And again, that's, that probably wasn't the best thinking, but that's what was going through my head. So when we had Hannah Ann on the show, she, you know, like, she gave her side and her, like, how it affected her and everything. And one of the things that she said, that really stood out to us was that when your season started, that's when you started to question things. Maybe you were already questioning them internally,

but you started to say things to her that made her feel like, okay, maybe we aren't where I thought we were. So did making the season back because like first, maybe first episode you had your date with Madison. I think the structure was different. So watching that first date,

is that when you started to say, oh, I need to actually start telling her how I feel. Is that when it started for you? Because then, and this is the follow-up, the second episode was with Hannah Brown and then she made that comment on stage, oh, you felt like you need a closure with Hannah Brown. Right. So I obviously was, you know, dealing with it internally in regards to just my feelings still for Madison at that point. I didn't really vocalize that to her. Obviously, when I saw the first episode, it made it tough for me. It really didn't. Obviously, it was like a really great memory for me. It was a great first, you know,

one-on-one date with Madison. And that was the first time that I opened up to Hannah-Anne about kind of where I was struggling. And I struggled with that so much because that's the last thing I want to be putting on her is, yes, she's like, you know, she's my person now. And you should feel comfortable leaning on that person and sharing anything with them and, you know, venting to them. But it's like, that's so inappropriate and so weird and not what she wants to hear. Especially them being the final two in the end. So I was like, how do I go about this the right way. But then I just continued to open up and really let her know, like, where I was struggling and why I felt what I felt. I just felt like I needed to tell her that and she needed

to know. And then in regards to like, you know, with Hannah Brown, listen, on stage when she made those comments. And she brought up, yeah, we brought up the closure with Hannah Brown, 100% true. What that was in reference to, though, was so we had watched the, first two episodes, I think, like, in December, we had gone like the copy before, obviously it all aired. And we were watching it at our first happy couple weekend. And I guess Hannah Brown had been given the copy too. So she watched it. And then Hannah Brown had reached out to me on Instagram and direct message me and said that, hey, like I had just seen the first episode. That was really rough, tough to watch. Like, you know, like, how are you doing with all that? Like,

I don't know how I feel about it. And so then when I got that, that's when I went to Hannah Ann and I was like hey listen Hannah Brown had reached out to me I want to see if you're comfortable with me like continue to talk and possibly give her closure give me closure and all this because of how everything ended would you be okay with that and she you know obviously was a little like uneasy about it understandably and but finally I was like listen as long just don't see her in person but yeah you can you guys can talk about it and and you know handle all that stuff so I said okay thanks and then you know Hannah and I just continue to talk through things and she had been getting some like negative like reactions from the you know from the first episode and

the second one when actually started airing too and so we're just being supportive of each other I've always been you know that way for Hannah Brown as she's been for me and that's what that was in regards to what kind of closure in that scenario were you looking for because it seems like the way that you guys left it on the show when you know she was in your dressing room and you guys had that moment it seems like it ended there so what kind of closure for me as a viewer like what was missing like what did you both still need i guess well i know you can't speak for hannah brown but what did you need in that instance right um listen and when i like i guess when i say closure um i just like i brought that word up to hannah and just because hannah brown was

expressing to me that she didn't feel good about watching the episode so like for me i was you know i was moved on and i i really was and i was you know at the end of the show i kept thinking, to be honest, I kept thinking they were going to bring Hannah Brown at the finale and they were going to somehow possibly see, you know, what I would do. But I really was like I had the closure that I needed. Was it tough to watch? Absolutely. But closure wasn't 100, like wasn't necessarily for me. But back to that first episode and that whole date, honestly, we just ran out of time. And we had to go to a night portion of the date later on. And a conversation had to get wrapped up. It wasn't necessarily an arguing.

We were told we had to finish it. And so it kind of left just like it was a little bit weird and odd because here we are and we're obviously two people that have had strong feelings for each other in the past and we're reminiscing on that and not knowing what to do. I told people like in that moment, it didn't get aired, but I told her like, I'll leave the show right now. I go to The Bachelor if like if there's something you want to pursue.

And, you know, you go from that and you have that serious, serious conversation. it literally just was like all right guys the time's up we have to we have to wrap this and so we gave each other a hug and um and just like wish each other well and then i left and that that's how it ended it was like not the most ideal way to end something like that yeah well in that on the show too and what we saw is that basically when hannah hana b said that you know if you're single at the end of this talk to her so since then i mean obviously we don't know what's going on with her and tyler and whatnot but i mean does that offer her still stand or have you even heard from her to this day? We've talked since I did get her number from when she started out DM me on

Instagram and you know we've just been very very supportive of each other. I saw her at Dylan and Hannah's engagement party and just really just really cordial and you know there's no love loss there at all and she's just been someone that I've been able to lean on a lot and she's like literally always been there for me just any advice I needed just event like she's been someone that I've been able to go to and is a really safe space and very grateful for her doing that for me. But there's nothing there between the two of you? No, nothing, nothing romantically as pursuing each other. No. Great. So, Madison, wait, are you done with Hannah-Anne? Yes, yeah, we can rock and rolling. Well, oh, wait, I guess I will ask you, have you spoken to Hannah-Anne since the finale?

not since the finale so just when when a when the breakup day happened um you know she obviously left and then later that day it was you know i just sent her you know long text just kind of obviously just apologizing again just saying essentially that i'll always me and my family will always be there for her no matter what and i sent a long text to that you know her family as well we had a group text chain going never heard back from anyone i called hana ann once later that day obviously she didn't you know she didn't pick her up she didn't really want to talk to me and um Yeah. So then I saw our AFR. I talked with her dad a couple times. He had called me on two occasions leading up to AFR, just kind of trying to ask about where my head was at and what possibly might happen, what he could expect, just as, you know, protecting his daughter, which I understood. And I tried to give him as much as I could. But obviously, contractually, I wasn't necessarily allowed to do so much. So that was tough for me. But I haven't talked to Hannah and after. Yeah. And I mean, I guess I get that. And rightfully so. Like her new brand now, too, is, you know, she stood up to you and, you know, found her voice and, you know, moved on from that. So I think it would, like, you know, be backtracking.

Exactly. That's a lesson. You know, that's just. No, I believe me. I want her to just thrive and just absolutely have the most amazing, beautiful life ever find her person. And I truly, like, I love that girl. I always will. And no matter how she feels about me, I'll always. always want the best friend. Is Kelly friends with Hannah-Anne and Madison? She, yeah, she is. Or was she, and maybe she's not now, seeing the new circumstances? No, she is. Kelly and Hannah-Anne have talked, and they're very, yeah, forgeal. It's been very friendly. You know, she's, Hannah-Anne's been, you know, I guess, understanding of everything from what I've heard. And I know they have talked, I don't know about, with Madison, but I do know that Hannah-Anne and Kelly are good. good I like to hear that I want to know I mean obviously we don't know what's going on with filming future seasons because of this whole coronavirus going on but like if Hannah Ann or Madison or any of the other girls like Kelly or I'm sorry Kelsey for that matter were to go on paradise or potentially become bat chart in the future would that be weird for you or are you at the point where you do truly wish them the best and you're just like you know what you do you I promise like I really am at that point um you I say I still

you'll see, like, I know how I felt about them just a few weeks ago, a few months ago. And I said that before, like, I was, I asked that question from Chris on Hannah Brown's season. Like, it's the same for them. I will always have love in my heart for them. Like, they are two very important people to me that through two months, we had an amazing, amazing experience together and relationship. And, but I, trust me, like, I, would that be weird? Obviously, seeing them probably with someone else? Yeah. I, I, I, I, I think. think so but I really I just want them to be happy and just want the best for them. I think it would be weird if it depending on who it was right like if you saw them

with another bachelor nation person it would be like whoa. If it was yes one of the guys I think from like Hannah Brown season might be a little bit stranger but I can't you know right then you'd be pot kettle look look where you are right now you know exactly exactly and I'm not trying to be a hypocrite at all so um okay Madison so So, where to even start with this? I will preface this by saying, I was so pro you and Madison together until you all had the second date and she spoke about her faith, totally fine. I'm a Christian as well. And then, I guess it was the next week where then she told you, she gave you the ultimatum, call it what you want, it's what it was.

and but didn't but then didn't tell you that she was saving herself for marriage okay so that's when things started to change to me because things don't make sense and I think and my hope is to get some clarity here because what you guys say and by that I mean you and Madison based on what she does or you do doesn't add up and doesn't make like they don't match up your words don't match up with your actions and I think that's where I get confused so then I have to deduce, like logically try to figure out, okay, well, then this is what makes sense based on actions, right? Actions speak louder than words.

Sure. So I'm trying, maybe, Becca, you go in because I'm trying to figure out where I want to start with this line of questioning to try to understand your relationship with Madison. Well, and I think this is a good point. You use the word ultimatum, Rachel, and Peter, when she threw that out there, you said, you know, I agreed to disagree with you. we haven't had a conversation with you and we haven't had one with Madison yet. I think when that episode aired, I believe that week we probably had talked to Chris Harrison

or something and he obviously gave his take, but it's not you or Madison. And so you felt like it wasn't an ultimatum, but what makes you say that? Just because if I were to say that, I feel like I would just be a hypocrite because the very first night of the entire, you know, the show that's opening night in the mansion, And in my opening toast to all the women, I ask them to please, whatever is on your heart, always feel comfortable sharing that with me. Don't hold back, whether it's good, bad, ugly, you think it's going to hurt my feelings, piss me off, or make me happy, or you're feeling it for me, please, I want this to be

an open connection where you can feel comfortable. And so, yeah, it was way later on in the whole journey there. But all that Madison was doing, she wasn't telling me you have to do this or this. She simply had something on her heart that she felt I should know. We were in a relationship. And in my opinion, that's completely acceptable for someone to express how they're feeling. And if I were to do something, it would make it really difficult for them to continue. And they'd possibly have to reevaluate.

She was never making a you have to do this or this. She said, listen, this is how I'm going to feel. I feel like you should know this. It's important because we are dating. If you do this, then this. Right? That's an ultimat. you can call it whatever you want

it doesn't mean that she can't express it to you to express how she's feeling and I don't want to argue whether it is an ultimatum or it isn't my issue more so is did you feel a certain way knowing that

you know you and Madison have this relationship you constantly defended her with your family saying you don't know Madison like I do so obviously you guys shared a lot that we didn't get to see and we didn't really see the development of your relationship So did it not bother you that she could be so upfront about everything except that? No, that did.

And I asked her, you know, why she didn't express that stuff to me earlier on? Why she waited so long? And I do think that it would have probably made a difference in possibly my actions moving forward. I can't say for sure because I truly wanted to stay so present and I'm intentional with each of the other two relationships going forward into that week. but I yeah I question that and her response to me was and and I I can I can understand it is the timing of our relationship started off with the first date we were the very first one-on-one maybe not something you bring up on the very first date when you just 100% okay so it wasn't

going to happen there group dates during the daytime it doesn't happen you're having a fun time doing something in the night portions if you do see the person because it's not always guaranteed it's a quick maybe 10 minutes it's not necessarily something super super allowable to have like a really deep important conversation i agree pass there the next day wasn't the one-on-one was in peru and we had an amazing part of the day and then the night portion she did open up a lot to me about stuff and her faith and she could have brought it up there i could have seen that was the one opportunity for her to do it if she wanted to i think i maybe and as she told me she's like i wasn't expecting you to kind of like have the conversation go that way when I expressed her that I was

falling in love with her. I think that might have thrown her off a little bit in regards what she totally wanted to get out. Maybe, maybe not. And then it just, to be honest, it's like you look for the times where it could have been really appropriate because we don't get time off camera for her to have told me it. It was kind of difficult, just how the timing worked out. Do you think religion is a difficult conversation to discuss with someone when you don't know what their belief is? Yeah. Exactly. I do too. And when she had that second date with you, I thought, wow, good for her. You know, she's like, this is what I believe. This is my faith. This is what I want out of a husband. And to me, it was the golden opportunity to express all of it. And that's why I'm very curious as to what you thought about that, because I thought, well, why would you hold that back? You have admitted that it probably would have affected your decision moving forward. You don't know for sure because hindsight, we just don't know. But it would

have made you kind of go, huh, okay. That's, that's, I wasn't expecting that, especially since you were, you said you wanted the women to be open from night one and you gave that speech to the women that first night. You also were very honest with them. You're a very open person, intimate, believe in having that intimacy with your significant other. And you don't, you don't hold, back from that. I mean, even in front of your family. So I think my question was when she said, when she didn't tell you, but then from the audience, we knew at that point that she was saving herself for marriage. I just didn't think that it was fair to go on this season with a man who has expressed, is sexual, has expressed that intimacy is important to him. So it's not like,

like you're going on Sean Lowe's season, right? He's going on your season, okay? Peter, sex at a windmill four times, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just saying, that's how you were, that's how you were billed to America. I get it, I get it, yeah. So she comes on your season, knowing that she wants to save yourself,

knowing that you're this person. Did you ever question yourself, why would you come on my season, knowing that I'm this way, only to possibly eliminate yourself for that reason? definitely questioned it brought up a lot of questions to her in kind of reference to that and i think to kind of start with um you know i remember asking her like so why did you because i heard a lot of

people saying you know you most likely knew peter and like what he kind of was about and the person he was and what he was comfortable and what he wasn't comfortable with doing why did you feel like that would be the right person to go on the bachelor for and you know she came back and she was And that just is annoying to her to hear because she's never been someone that wanted to judge. Like, I truly don't feel like Madison is a judgmental person, like, at all. She can be very, you know, prideful. And that's, like, a great quality too. But she is not someone that I think is, is a huge judgeer.

And, you know, she said, listen, I didn't want to, just because of what your past was, like, I'm not going to judge you at all and that hold anything against you. Like, I, if this was going to work for us, let's take from that point on, moving forward. of, of, you know, any possible judgment if you wanted to use. She had, you know, she actually had been someone that had been, I guess, nominated by, like, a family friend to come on the show. And it wasn't necessarily her at first. And she didn't know if she wanted to do it.

And she thought about it a lot and kind of let the process run and then until she had to actually make a decision if this is something she wanted to do. And then she was, you know, from what she told me, it was something that she just decided, like, why not? You know, this could be, you know, an amazing opportunity to go find someone. Why not? Will it work? I have no idea, but why not?

I think maybe a little bit of it, if I had to guess, was her in the beginning thinking, eh, I don't know if this is my person, but like this could be a really cool opportunity. I'll be fair. But I do know that that quickly changed with her. And she quickly realized, no, this is someone that I really actually am feeling something for. And again, I don't think there's really anything wrong with that because people that you want to say, oh, I came on just for you. And I knew I was in love with you from the beginning.

I don't know if I buy it. so her honesty with that is something I appreciated yeah I'm not trying to like defend her too much and all this I'm just very curious since we haven't had an opportunity to talk to her so I'm just curious as to what your thoughts were about that because I totally agree with that you have no idea at the beginning how it's going to be and then you slowly start to see yourself fall

which is usually in in most cases and but then I my thought is still okay so why couldn't you be fully open about what is so important to you and what you so value if you value it like that why are you waiting until you know the 13th hour right to finally say something i i wish you would get confused i i do wish you would have and i think i think maybe the fear might have been she would have gone home and she didn't want to go home for whatever reason that may be it's oh my god if i tell him this maybe i'll go home yeah that's that's totally fair um i she she wouldn't have gone home but um i could totally see her in that moment yeah

having those thoughts do you think and this is something that we've talked about obviously without you and trying to say like the what ifs so say you get you got to that fantasy sweet week obviously that week in itself was very different for your season because this was the one time all of the girls were still living together under the same roof during that very weird intimate week uh had it gone differently and i know you don't necessarily have a say in the dates and who goes when but had Madison gone first had you spent that first overnight with her maybe just talking maybe just getting to know one another and went on after that with the other two women do you think anything would have panned out differently. Do you think she still would have had that moment where she potentially

was like, look, I can't do this. I have to remove myself. Or do you think that would not have taken place had she gone first? Yeah, no, it wouldn't or it would have changed things. She would have gone first. And I would have known that. Obviously, we would have probably most likely discussed that in the fantasy suite. Even look now knowing what I know, if I would have had a fantasy suite with her, You know, we wouldn't have spent the night with each other. We would have, she would have been comfortable with talking with me, you know, for a couple hours. But that's something also that, you know, she had mentioned to me. She is saving for marriage.

It's just that kind of time of just spent with, you know, someone overnight, even with nothing physically happening. It's something I can totally respect. But, yeah, if I would have had her first, I would have had a little bit more knowledge about everything. And again, the hardest part for me was I always tried my best to be so intentional with each relationship. and just get lost in that relationship. That's what I did from the day one until the very end. That's how I felt I could actually make this work for me. And, but yeah, if you ask that question, yeah, I think it would have been different.

But if, so if that were the case, then, and, you know, you had Madison's Fantasy Sweet Night first, move on to the next two girls. I mean, because you yourself admitted when she asked you that night, you know, like, have you been intimate with these two other women and you? And I will say, I think you handled that situation so well. Like, kudos to you for how you. approached it because that's a really, really tough situation. Head, like, would

what do you have gone in and still been intimate with those girls because of, you know, it's an important part to relationships as you've said yourself. And so I don't under, like, I can't imagine you not having the same reaction

and moment and evening with the other two girls. Like, for me, it's like, if you want it's going to be intention, if you're going to be intentional, right. Put yourself in every single relationship, then it's inevitable. And it's like you want to exhaust every relationship until you get to the end if that's where it needs, if that's what you need to do to get there to figure out each relationship

and what is truly best for you at the end of this, you probably would have still had to do the same things. And so in my mind that it makes it tough to see like had she gone first, yes, maybe you would have gone into the next two nights and the next two dates with the other two women knowing how she would have felt. But at the end of the day, like things still probably would have taken. in place to, I think, like, allow for her to still have that moment of being like, maybe I do need to remove myself. No, I think you're right. Yeah, I can't say for sure what I would have done.

I guess I'll take that back. I do, I believe it possibly could have changed things. It definitely, listen, would have given it a lot more gravity if I would have known that stuff before. Listen, Peter, would you have pulled a Colton and just ended the season and been like, I'm all in with this one girl. No, I'm not going to say that, but I just, again, it would have just given it a lot more gravity, the whole situation. And, but then what you guys are saying, that's what I said as well, like while I was, you know, on the show. Like, I wanted to be intentional. I wanted to get lost in that relationship and explore everything I needed to. I've always felt, and I still feel like

intimacy is a huge important part of relationship. I have different views, obviously then Madison in regards to that and what I'm saving it for or not saving it for. And that's totally fine that we have those different views. But for me, I guess, like you say, yeah, hindsight, swing, so we'll never know because I'll never be put in that situation again. She says that you're not compatible. She talks about you guys not being compatible. There's just too many differences. You just have two different lifestyles. Whether she realized that with you, with talking to your family, that was the conclusion that she came to. And so she felt it was best to self-eliminate. I actually agreed with that decision. So then we see what happens, move forward. You gauge to Hannah Ann.

you break up with Hannah Ann, then the moment you break up with Hannah Ann, what is your thought? Is your thought, I can go pursue Madison or did you reach out to her? Tell the truth, because I've seen these rumors that apparently y'all have mutual friends and y'all were hanging out. So go ahead. Yeah, no, so we do have a mutual friend that she had met on the first date. So one of my closest friends from high school, she had met her on that first date of my parents Val renewal ceremony and they had stayed close and connected. We would talk, you know, to that mutual

friend, I guess both of us obviously on our own. And, you know, she did it. My friend did a good job of respecting each other's privacy and not, like, she wouldn't tell me anything that Madison was saying. Like, she wouldn't. He was really respecting that. And that's why I knew I could obviously trust her to do the same. Did I have, like, when the relationship ended with Hannah Ann, did I have thoughts about possibly reaching out. I did. But I just felt like that I, that wasn't my place to do it. She had left me. I did not leave her. And if anything like that was ever going to happen, it was like, I just didn't see how it would be right for me to go reach out there. Like, she'd already said no to me once. And so that's why I didn't. So prior to breaking up with

Hannah Ann, you, you yourself had no contact with Madison up until that point. Correct. And then afterwards, then I guess I'm confused. So we see Chris Harrison go to Madison, bring Madison back to you, and you didn't expect to see her. So did you have a conversation with Chris to be like, yeah, maybe go get her? Did you know any of this was going down? I knew none of that was going down. The only thing I knew about was one of my producers had just mentioned to me like, hey, if you see some pictures, Madison's with like a film crew right now. I guess they went to like in Auburn in her hometown.

And they couldn't tell me what it was about. And that's kind of like they just wanted to give me a heads up. you might see some pictures, like, don't, like, freak out. I was like, okay, but no. Did you think she was going to be a Bachelorette? Did she think it? No, did you think that? I definitely thought there was a chance for that.

And I guess that's where, did I think possibly something could be going on in regards to, like, me? I did, but I didn't know for sure. So that's why when she did surprise me, I obviously was very shocked and not expect to see her there. I was told I was going to talk to Chris that dead. And so, like, they just had me doing some B-roll looking around, and then I hear the heels come in and like that foot. And then that's why I saw Madison. Yeah, that interaction was weird. I'll just be honest. Y'all didn't. I knew you were caught off guard. I could tell you were surprised. Yeah. But she knew she was coming to see you. Right. And it was just off. Like, she didn't seem that excited. I mean, we had just seen her say that she still loves you. Right. Obviously, you still loved her. You didn't express it then, but we learned it. I just. And you being the person that you are, just very passionate, y'all just seem like, okay, here we are. It just didn't seem genuine.

It was kind of underwhelming. Yeah. What was that? I agree. Because I think even to on stage at AFR, people, I've heard comments, like, just the chemistry didn't really seem there at all. Oh, yeah, it was not okay. It wasn't.

You're right. You're totally right. I don't know if it was just nerves. It was it was just being, you know, uncomfortable. I don't know what it was that you guys bring up a really valid point. Yeah, it seemed a little odd. I agree. Do you think it had something to do with?

And Rachel and I, I think, talked about this on the same podcast that we had Hannah Ann on. So basically, I think my, like, as a viewer, I felt like I was lacking in that entire ending scenario because basically Madison had removed herself because she felt like you guys weren't compatible. Your lifestyles didn't maybe line up. And she just couldn't see it working in the long run. So she then removes herself at the end, only to then come back after talking with Chris. And, you know, she told Chris, like, I love Peter. Who knows where this could go? Let's see. So she then comes to surprise you in L.A. But really, like, what was going through my mind that entire time was that, like, nothing's changed up until that point.

Like, yes, maybe she still loves you and has those feelings, but if ultimately she felt like the lifestyles weren't going to be compatible, like, that's still the case. Like, nothing is any different besides, like, for saying, like, oh, Peter ended his engagement with Hannah Ann. So I feel like if I were to be you or her, and this is just me being me and how I would react, I would, like, I probably wouldn't have gone out to L.A. Because I would have still been like, okay, yeah, you can love somebody. But at the end of the day, some relationships just don't work out because you aren't compatible.

And so for me watching it, I was like, what is going on? Because she was very, like, adamant about one thing. And that thing is still present. But now she's doing something to, like, try and see if it could maybe work. It just, it didn't line up. And maybe that's what was causing the tension and why it seemed off. And before you answer to piggyback what Becca's saying is, she eliminates herself because you had been intimate during the same week with another woman.

And then you propose to a woman. You obviously are intimate with her. You commit to possibly spending the rest of your life with this person, which is even more than just being intimate with women during Fantasy Week. And she can come back after that, but not come back, but not deal with what she dealt with when the season was going on. Yeah, those are two good points.

And I think, real quick, on the second one, I think that probably was a reason that it seemed very uncomfortable. And from her, obviously, for me, I was probably picking up on that body language and just the vibe. But I do know that, like, you know, stuff that didn't make it, that didn't air, well, we had more of a conversation than aired. You know, she did feel, you know, like a little bit uncomfortable in regards to me. It was tough for her to take the fact that I had, you know, been engaged. That was hard for her to swallow. and obviously coming out and making an effort to come and possibly see if there's still something here with me was uncomfortable for her because she didn't want to be stepping on Hannah Ann's toes.

And I remember her being very thoughtful of that and kept like just wanting to make sure that she, if we were going to do this, it'd be like done the right way. So I think I get it. Like it seems a little odd. Why could she be not okay with Fantasy Sweet Week? But coming after, you know, an engagement just ended. I definitely think she was uncomfortable about that. But what was she?

Did you ask her that question? question. Yeah, and she told me that. Like, she straight up told me, like, in our conversation that she just, she didn't know the best way to go about this. Um, she had obviously, when she had gotten back home, she had started really processing everything that had just happened. And, you know, she realized that her feelings for me weren't going away. Um, she like really struggled that for a while. And kind of, for what you were saying, Becca, um, yeah, ultimately, listen, did our differences in, and lack of compatibility be the reason that we stop things? Yes. But she admitted to me that she thought, like her exact words were. And obviously, like, I'm very different than, you know, possibly her dad or whatnot. But, and all the respect in the world for her dad. But she told me, she's like, I kept thinking that I wanted someone just like my dad. And that's kind of how, like, I just grew up and people that I've dated. And then after reflecting on everything in the months that ensued, she said that she realized that she doesn't need anyone like her dad because she's just like her dad.

and the fact that I am, you know, different in a lot of ways actually were qualities that she realized why she fell for me. And, you know, she admitted that. And so that's, I think, why, you know, she elected to kind of like restart this and give this, you know, hopefully another chance with us. Again, ultimately, when we really just had an honest, honest conversation with each other the two days after AFR and it was just me and her, and we said, listen, let's completely remove our heart, our feelings from this conversation. and only speak logically about if this is possible, can this work? The answer was no.

Yeah. Go ahead, Peter. I'm sorry. No, but, like, I mean, I just, I think that what you saw there was two people that obviously had strong feelings for each other. And yeah, there was a reason initially why we ended, but weren't ready to completely give up on those feelings. And again, from what she realized, like, you know, she said she had dated a lot of other

guys that were different from me that were like what she thought she wanted. They weren't working out for a certain reason. And so this is something that she realized, you know, before she came out. Yeah. I mean, I guess it makes sense to me. It's just what doesn't make sense is, okay, so you'll have that talk. That was one of my questions. So glad to know, after we saw you guys meet for the first time since the breakup, you guys had a full out conversation and everything. That's great. So I would imagine that you continue to talk from then up until the finale, which is kind of why the message you kept giving them like, Becca and I and other outlets is we don't know how this is going to end. We don't know how this is going to end. So I'm curious as to what was the game plan coming into the finale? Like what was it supposed to be? How were you guys supposed to? Because I think the most shocking thing is two days later, y'all are done. It's like, well, what the hell was all that for? You stood up to your family. You know, you professed. your love for each other and how difficult you know it's going to be and you're going to work at it only for two days later you guys end it which is why i think a lot of people thought it was staged

i'll just say that and it was not yeah i got that i've heard that but it was not staged i can promise you guys that we um we didn't see each other until this on stage life finale we did talk obviously we faced timed a lot and we just had a lot of those you know talks that we needed to have that i wish would have had way sooner that we could have had in the fantasy suite, you know, with time off camera. You know, it's kind of crazy, but really the main, the first time that her and I ever spent time alone off camera was when the after the show ended. And that was just like crazy for like such a serious relationship for that to have been the first time. But we really didn't know what we were going to do. And we knew that like obviously there were still feelings there. But

going into the finale, we really didn't know what we're going to do. And I don't like looking back on it, I'm confused as why we didn't like, didn't see each other before um it was an option and like I I wanted to do it and you know I remember her saying stuff like well maybe we should just like make this like really authentic on stage and like not like have that be the first time and and and I saw I saw some of that like validity and um but I remember like Peter before I saw I mean listen I remember dare to before I was like I think I need to see her I need to see her and at that time yeah yeah Peter For somebody, I, Becca, back me up on this.

When you love somebody and you have those happy couple weekends or you haven't seen anybody, you are itching. There is like, you are dying to see that person inside. And I get you saying, I wanted to see her. I wanted to see her. And to hear that she was like, maybe we should wait because it's more authentic on stage. Are you putting on a show or are you trying to get to know each other? That's where I have the conflict.

And you guys had already had so much lost time, and there was so much time that need to be made up, I think, to make, to really solidify the relationship. And so if I was the two of you, I would have, like, from the moment she had flown out to L.A. to try to rekindle things with you, that entire time, I would have been like, look, we need to be together. We need to see if we can make this work. We need to make up for all of the last time. There needed, like, I think for a relationship and for, like you want to be with someone as Rachel said you want to spend those happy couple moments together and so to me like I wouldn't have reacted that same way I would I would not I would have been so terrified to get on stage and have there be so many unknowns like I would have wanted that's why it was awkward I would have you by my side Peter to really back each other up to support one another to feel super solid in that and so I mean and if you had the opportunity opportunity to do it. Shit, you should have.

And it wasn't, it wasn't all her. I, like, I agreed to it too. Like, I, it wasn't just her. Oh, this is how I know you agreed. I just think the common thing, theme that a lot of people saw is it looked like you were giving 100% and 100% wasn't being given back to you. That's just kind of how it comes off to an audience. So I'm very curious as we know how your family felt about Madison.

Yeah. We saw it all play out. I don't really want to get in all that. But I have to ask, why did your family feel a certain way about Madison? And I mean, like, not just a feeling. Like, it was, it was like a steadfast thing. And it went from father, mother, brother, you know, let your mom tell it friends as well. So why were their feelings so strong against Madison?

I think all of that stuff really did start in Australia when they were out there. And it was like the family visits. And, you know, Hannah Ann had gone first. and that went, she just knocked it out of the park. My family fell in love with her immediately. Obviously, I knew why, and it just was such a great day. And the second day comes with Madison and just, boom, is granted, this is all my doing that got her in this headspace and I can take that responsibility, but she was not in a good

headspace at all. And like the talks about, you know, being outside the house for three hours waiting, having my parents wait was 100% true. That was, that was the case. And I was essentially trying to like convince her of why I felt like we needed it like. at least put this stuff behind us and talk to my family, you know, they had just flown halfway around the world. If we go in, if I go in and say, listen, Madison just can't talk right now, like that's just not going to be a good look. So she didn't want to talk to your family?

Yeah, she didn't feel like she was in the right headspace to be able to go do that. Okay. And so I, you know, I understood why she was feeling the way she did. I knew we had to work on our own stuff, but that's just the way the show goes and the schedule. And like, that was the one day we had allocated to go spend time with my family. And so I did my best to try to convince her why, you know, she finally, you know, realized, okay, you know, she's going to do it for me. And, um, and then we went inside. And obviously it just was off, it was off to a bad start. You know, we, my family obviously was, you know, obviously annoyed. I think anyone would be like waiting three hours, uh, just doing nothing to have that conversation. It just got off to a bad

start. It just immediately you could feel the vibe was not the same with Hannah Ann. And, you know, they, they, they had, I guess, known a little bit now about the differences that we had. I expressed to them, you know, the day prior about when I was talking about both women that, you know, there had been some issues that Maddie and I were going through because of what had happened with the Fantasy Sweet Week. And so they had already seen, like, started to see these differences. And they just, being my family and the one-on-one conversations I had with each of them, like, were just like, they didn't see this working. They just didn't see it working. And they saw that, yes, she was an amazing girl, but the two of us were just too different.

And they were just looking out for me. And, you know, you see that passion, kind of come out on stage and everything. And I think, I do think as much as I can, you know, defend Maddie and everything. And I do think that she could have, um, coming out on stage apologize. You know, a really quick apology to, to my parents about the last time she had seen him and what had gone down. I think that would have gone a long way. And I really, really do. Um, you know, unfortunately that didn't happen. That wasn't the case. And, um, that's kind of why. That's really that was the only time my parents saw Maddie. Like that was really where that passion and that just like them being just like it's not going to work bud you got to like

you got to understand that that's where that came from Peter so your mom said this during the finale but she said that day after you know waiting a couple hours and finally sitting down with Maddie that she asked her flat out like do you love my son and she had said no that's what your mom so when your mom had told you that And maybe, and I think she had said that she, your brother had asked Madison the same thing and Madison had said the same answer. So when you knew that, what was going through your, your brain and knowing like, okay, you know, she's still here, but she's been on the fence about sticking around or leaving. And now she's admitting that she's not in love with me to my family. Like, what was going

through your brain? I was so confused because literally an hour before, outside, she said she did love me. That was the first time she told me. I remember, like, being ridiculous because I was like, it's all I've been wanting to hear the entire time. And then, like, I just, we were having a very serious conversation that, like, I just completely lost all seriousness because I was kind of happy and giddy. So she just told me that outside. And that's why when my mom told me that, I was just very, very confused and shocked because I'm like, what? She just told me she did. And then, but that's, that's another thing.

That's another thing of why my mom was, you know, very passionate about what she was saying was, you know, her she has Hannah Ann. her and her hit it off like no other hand hands expressing how she does feel about me and she can totally see this with me and then it's a literally complete opposite you know with with maddie and you know her saying that she didn't love me and that she couldn't see an engagement in the next couple days that part i will say i get why maddie couldn't see an engagement after how strongly she felt about fantasy like intimacy i get that a couple days later that's not ideally how you want to be proposed to knowing what happened a couple i get that but i do know that like that went a long way with my mom to like not be the biggest fan of that relationship when when maddie told her that

well then i guess where's the disconnect like why did she just tell you that and then she said no to your family did you ever ask her about that yeah and i think i don't know i think it's like semantic or i it was just like uh she i guess the way my mom had asked it was like are you madly head over heels in love with my son or something like that and And I guess that made Maddie say no. I don't know. It was just a confusing day. I don't know.

Yeah. It sounds very confusing and it sounds like you're better off. I don't want to see anybody fail. Yeah. But it sounds like you guys are better separate than together. Yeah. If you could, because I know that we were supposed to talk to you after the finale. And obviously nobody saw it going the way that it did.

And Becca and I totally respect. at the fact that this is personal at this point, and it's not about doing a podcast. Like, we care about you and we want you to be okay at the end of the day. Thank you for that. So I don't want to get into the details of your conversation with Madison, but after you got off stage and obviously there were some, you know, you guys were upset and emotional. Did you know that it was over at that point? No.

So we got off stage. I remember we were both in a bad head space, just like down. We walked up to like the, the, you know, the. changing room areas where we were waiting before. Just her and I, we had a quick moment just with each other. We just hugged each other and just kind of like we're supporting each other. Then we decided to talk to some producers. At that point, I don't, from my side, I didn't think that it was over, over or anything.

We then separated. I went back to my hotel. She went back to her hotel, called her parents for a little bit. Then came back to my hotel. We spent a couple hours and just, you know, we're there for each other. Didn't really have a serious conversation about figuring this out, but just wanted to be there for each other and spend time. Fast forward to the next day.

I didn't see her. Her mom had flown out and spent the day with her. The next day, the second day is when I went over to her hotel. And we spent just like six hours probably just talking. And that was when it had that sentiment going into the conversation that this is like, this is it. This is not,

this is unfortunately, like as sad as it is like it's not going to work as much as like maybe we might want it to have worked. and that was the day where we both, I think, knew that it was over. So you guys agreed to do an Instagram post to kind of announce at the same time. And then what did you do after that? Did you go home? Yes.

So that day was, when I left her hotel, I went straight home. And that was the first time I saw my family. And first you just went in, gave him a hug and just told him, I loved him and everything. and then express them what had just happened with Maddie and I and what we had decided to do and, you know, kind of began that whole healing process with my family and everything and just sticking together. But yeah, that was the first day I went home.

And then she went to go play board games with Selena Gomez? So I know. I didn't know that actually until the TMZ guy told me that. Was that who told you? God. I went for I found out. Peter, she's having a rough go with TMZ. I know. Jesus. I had found out from, so she had told me that night that she was going to go spend some

time with one of her friends, one of her good girlfriends that was living in L.A. Talking to Maddie later after, because we had texts here and there after was she told me like, listen, I know how I guess how that could look, but like she did go over to her friend's place and her friend just ended up being really good friends with Selena. And I guess Selena had said something. about, you know, hey, we're like going to my grandmother's house, play board games, like, come over here, and so they went over there. That's what I heard. Have you- And I believe it, I believe it. So have you and Maddie's stating contact since

all of that, or is it pretty much, you know, you shut the door, you guys have both moved on? Yeah, we talked, we texted her a little bit after and, you know, it was sad. You know, there was obviously, like, you know, missing each other kind of stuff like that and whatnot. And, you know, I remember she'd like send me like a video and it was just like, it was tough, but we both knew it was over and then, um, kind of just all ended. Yeah, like we, I'd send her one thing and like, I never really heard anything back. I'm like, okay, yeah, like this is, I got to stop doing this. And then, um, and then the whole Kelly stuff happened. Um, and, you know, I came out here to be here for her and, uh, you know, I had sent like a text to Madison just kind of explaining everything so she could hear it from me. Um, and, and, you know, I had sent like a text to Madison just kind of explaining everything so she could hear it from me. Um, and, and, um, and, And she was like really, you know, freaking rock star and under, you know, wasn't like trying to be vindictive or anything that, like, didn't think it was like, wasn't trying to be mean about it. And just like kind of like, pull me that.

So I like, I appreciated that. And, yeah, then I haven't talked to her since. So, Becca, I don't know if I've ever asked you this question before or I've even said this. But so, Peter, I'm directing this to you. And Becca, you can answer too. I, in Fantasy Suite, I asked all of my guys if I didn't choose this. would they be the bachelor? Like, I wanted to, it wasn't really a trick question.

It was just more of, I'm very curious to see how you would respond to this. And so, Becca, did you ask your guys that? Well, so when I had fantasy suites, I only had two, because I had sent Jason home prior to spending the night with him. So I had Garrett and Blake, had I gone a different route and ended up with Blake, hell no, would Garrett have been The Bachelor? There's no way. No, Garrett wouldn't have done it. He would not have. You know, and I do know, I mean, Blake was in talks to potentially be The Bachelor, along with

some of the other guys when Colton's season happened. So I'm sure he would have said yes. I never asked him that. But yeah, I know Garrett would have, you could have paid Garrett one million dollars and he would have not been The Bachelor. I think Brian would have done it. um so i'm i'm going somewhere with this i'm asking you peter yeah do you think that because like we kind of touched on this but we didn't go into this when you were told that the cameras

were at madison's um and i said oh did you think that she was going to be asked to be the bachelorette do you think that if she was asked she would have done it no i don't what about hannah ann um yeah i do okay what about kelly um no kelly no kelly no 100% no so why do you think hannah ann would have and not the other two well i guess so i to be fair i didn't actually ask them uh so like my final three this and i never i never asked hannah ann um it came up and talks to madison and i and i tell you no because she told me she would have said no and like that that wasn't something she would have done. But I guess with Hannah Ann, I mean,

because it's not, there's nothing negative about that. Like I, if you, if I would have been. You're talking to two former bachelettes here. Yeah, and your final three, like someone or my, you know, Hannah Brown would ask me, like I would have been like, if you don't pick me, this is a really weird question. But of course, like obviously it's working for me right now. So I know that it could work.

If you broke my heart now and it's not going to work, why wouldn't I want to? So it's nothing negative. But I think, yeah, Hannah Ann, you know, would have, what are you what are you trying to do trying to sneak behind me is that kelly yeah she's she's trying to crawl on the floor behind me kelly we heard you worse oh he she can't hear us because he's got headphones on burger on come on it come on and say hi can you hear us sneak around little chock jolly she's being bashful we actually called to talk to you and then peter just

happened to pick up there's just hogging the zoom screen now Hi, guys. Hi, Kelly. How's it going? No. That's the question we were just asking him. No, I think I'm a little too awkward on this show. No, you're not awkward.

You just get it. I think you're all spoken. I think you would have, Kelly, you would have been good because you would have kept the men in their place. True. You just get it. Becca and I are also two bachelorettes who didn't have a lot of drama in our season because we were kind of like, we're here to do something. And it's like, it is what it is.

is so you probably would have been like it's changed a little bit like in the past couple of years it's more drama focused so do they hold on to that but they reversed it and go back to what you guys had see she's already she's asking the wrong this yeah she couldn't do it she said are you do you still have to work right now um I should be working more than I am but there's little things that I still have to do yeah I just didn't know I mean I don't practice anymore, so I'm like, oh, what's, what's going on in the legal world? I did finish my CLEs this month. I was so proud of myself for finishing that, remember, the 40.

Hey, Rachel, real quick. May it please the court? I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. Look at you. Two steps away from a courtroom. For the bar. Let's go.

No, we've just been having fun. asking Peter questions about, and Kelly, you're somebody we wanted to talk to on the show. I feel like we've hot, no, no, I'm not going to hog your time because we've been talking to Peter. I feel like for an hour and a half at this point. I'm in my closet, so's Becca. We have nothing else to do. The dance parties and the DJs on the TV. Okay, well, here's a question.

Why were you at women till all? I honestly don't know. No, no, not at women. Sorry. Why were you at the finale? I really don't know. I think it's just from what I, from the only, the only thing that I got was Chris Harrison doing an interview saying that they want to throw people off because they thought I was pregnant with Peter's child or something like that. Was that a rumor pregnant?

I saw, yeah. Crazy rumor down. People come up with the weirdest crap, you guys. I swear. Well, Kelly, when Rach and I saw you, because we were there, we were just watching backstage, we weren't allowed out there, which we really wanted to. But when we saw you, we were like, let us go sit with Kelly and Barb. Why are you guys keeping us back here? you were sitting next to my friend Kelly my two guests on the show the guy

was a couple that was sitting next to you yeah it's my left yeah so like they're big bachelor fans they do like he does ESPN stuff and he's like he's like we were sitting next to Kelly I was like well you're welcome I didn't even plan it that way but you're welcome oh that's so funny yeah the first time I ever saw her there it was during like the first commercial break and then Chris was like hey so I just did a little shit that out like to Kelly, she's up there and I looked and Kelly just waved and I'm like, what? Were y'all in communication at that point? Like, were you all like cool?

Y'all hadn't, okay. I like, people think like everything happened like before I showed, didn't get her number until. So I was talking about Christian that night, like nothing before. Well, in all fairness, you don't really need phone numbers these days. There's so many ways to communicate. So Kelly, I'll ask you this question because we asked Peter, when we know that you guys have been quarantined before those infamous TMZ photos, when you decided to say,

you know what, we're going to go to the Riverwalk, where y'all just like, fuck it, we're going to go. Who cares who sees? It was allowed to. No, not the social distancing.

I mean, like being out in public. Oh, no. To be completely honest, I think we're pretty naive in that aspect. You know, I was wearing like two hoods. He was wearing sunglasses and a hat, and I guess that just doesn't really work.

Well, with clay and, dust in to, I mean, like, stick out like sort of us. You know what's crazy though, real quick? This is insane. Um, so Katrina, who lives in Chicago as well, she sent a picture to Kelly. This is insane. Like, who's Katrina? Katrina. She was a night one girl.

Night one with the, the pussycat. Oh. Mm-hmm. Listen, I don't start knowing names till halfway through. But she had taken a picture, like a selfie sitting on the riverwalk. This is crazy. And then in the background, it was the three of us with Dustin as well. You could tell what we were wearing as you compared to other pictures.

And we're like, this is insane. You can't go. That's the leak. Wait, Katrina's the one who I thought looked like Nina Dobrev, right? Who's that? I thought Katrina is, she looked like some actress. I think that was her. Okay.

She was at Women's Hellaw. Okay. Yeah. She was like a number of last. Rachel. I was that woman, Tella. I don't know. I'm sorry.

I would say, well, we'll see you're on Paradise, but who knows if Paradise is even moving forward. Yeah. Well, okay, let me ask you this, because Kelly, Peter's being very coy about where your relationship stands these days. If Paradise happens and you get asked, would you go? Yeah, I don't think I'm made for these shows. Hey, I respect it. They're amazing. It was an experience, but I don't know how much of a future I have in them.

Well, what about friends? Because, like, I remember coming on. I was like, I'm going to stick to myself. I'm the oldest one in the house. I'm just going to read my books. Go on these dates, do my thing. And I was pleasantly surprised that I had friends on the show and that I know will be friends forever.

Was that the same experience you had? And if so, who are you close to? Yeah. Coming off the show, it's funny because when you're on the show and off the show, you gravitate towards other people. But, yeah, I talked to like McKenna. Kelsey every day and throughout throughout the whole you know of it airing back you kind of just gravitate towards what episode is going on and who you're with on that group date or what

happened there you know but I'm friends with with all the girls I don't have any beef with any of them but yeah Kelsey and McKenner are the ones that I keep in contact with a lot well my forever favorite moment of you will be laying back on that bench with that foot up Stop twirling. I said, Kelly is an entire mood. That is me. I was like, I have Kelly, Kelly is me. I'm so sad. I tell him all the time. Like, I've listened to y'all's podcast and the way that you think is very similar to mine. Like everything you usually say, I was like, spot on, spot on. Like, I get it, I get it. And I keep telling him that. I was like, just the way that she thinks, like, is incredible. Like, I'm so, I'm literally jealous because you can tell you're, you're super intelligent with everything you say. And it's spot on for, I don't know, everything.

You know, law school is like, it teaches you a certain way to think more than anything else. But it's nice to hear it's appreciated because it's not appreciated by most. I always say our podcast is a logic, like, it's not for the hopeless romantics. You know, we're here to just like have a discussion and to talk things out. And not everybody wants to hear that. And there are other podcasts you can go to for that. Kelly, I will say you, watching you, and Rach and I have loved you the entire season, you were one of our favorites, because you're just a breath of fresh air, because you are logical, you are intelligent, you speak your mind, you are very articulate. But, Rich, I'm going to disagree and I'm going to say the best moment of Kelly on the season was when you were the abuela. Yes, that was the best moment. You're right. You're right, Becca.

That was so good. I knew I liked you before, but watching you was the abuela. I was like, God, she's good. And then when she like changed the script up, though, because like that obviously wasn't the script and it was just like, caught me off guard while we're filming. I'm like, what? It was like, let's go. Oh my God, you guys during quarantine,

can you like play act and do another telenovela together? That's what you should do. Please. Yeah, we need to give them the TikToks because we don't have when it takes that TikTok, but maybe we can do that. Listen, I am an anti-Tick-Ticot person. Becca just joined. I can't get it.

it's, I would, I would be worse than you. So kudos to you for doing it. I mean, I can't. Wait, Kelly, have you been on any of the other podcasts? Did you do Nick or Caitlin's or are we the first? No, she, uh, she was with, um, Caitlin and, um, and Ben. Okay. Can you tell, can you guys tell us, like, one thing that you didn't tell them, like some juicy detail?

Some juicy detail. Give us, like, give us something good that we can run with here. An exclusive. an exclusive kind of boring no we got this one Kelly have you seen Peter in the shower during this quarantine

I don't know I'm sorry I'm just with him Is Peter better in real life or on the show? Oh my God in real life I hope so way better

I was like some parts of him that you saw weren't like necessarily him but I even used to say on the show, I was like, there's Peter and then there's The Bachelor of the Peter, or The Bachelor, Peter, and you know, they'd be like, can you stop saying that? And I was like, no, true. I met him outside of this

and he's so much cooler than he is on the Peter. I will say you are cooler in real life than what we didn't see on the show. I guess I'd rather have it that way than vice versa. So thank you. No, absolutely. So you feel like if you met Peter, well, you did beat him in real life before, but like you guys could hit it off. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. I think so. Yeah, it's definitely a, yes, it's a compliment taken. It's a fine line to try to be both. The same person you see on TV is the same person you are in person. So, you know, I know. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. I think as leads, there's so much that happens that can't be portrayed on TV. And so I think for everyone, anyone who's ever been on the show, there's so much more people are way funnier or more charismatic than what they come across. And Peter, I mean, I've met you now a few times in person. And, like, you really are just this very warm, big-hearted, like, fun, charismatic guy that, that I think we saw a good part of it on the show, but I think that there's so much more. And so, you know, regardless of what happened throughout the entire season and it didn't pan out, I'm sure, as anyone had expected, I think you are on your own path. And I'm still happy you were our bachelor. I really am. Yeah, you seem happy. Like, we've talked to you a couple of times in studio. You're different.

You're different. Thanks, Kelly. Thanks, Kelly. You're different. A lot of it to her. She's been amazing. How many times have you FaceTime Barb? Oh, no, a lot.

Yeah, she's obsessed with Sophie, Dustin's dog. So she's always calling, hey, let me see Sophie. Let me see Sophie. Let me see Chop, chop, chop. So that's Kelly. Chop, chop. We heard about chop, chop, chop, chop. All right.

Well, Kelly, we're so happy you popped into this. Thank you. Of course. Thanks, Kelly. We hope to see more of you. so Peter as I just said you know there's obviously so much more than than what anyone can ever see on a TV show and when people say like they thought the ending was staged and the finale was staged I don't think so because like when we met with you in the studio before the season

started we asked you like what are you hoping from this like what do you want to be known for and you were like I don't want to be known for a windmill or an inanimate object like I want to to be known for having the best love story and unfortunately for your time on the show itself that didn't happen like yes you fell in love with a couple girls you were engaged it didn't pan out with either of them and i don't think that's anything you expected going into it i don't think you could have foreseen any of what went down um so that's why like watching it i'm like dude like no offense but this really sucks like all he wanted was to share his heart and to share this love story with the world um and so you know you're making your own story now away from the tv we don't know

what's going to necessarily happen with kelly um but going back to your time obviously it didn't pan out as you thought but i'm sure we all have regrets going through it at at moments but what was your biggest regret and biggest takeaway from being the lead my biggest regret i think was and it for me is so tough to like kind of admit or be okay with because like i know they're kind of person that I am and at the end of the day I can't change myself to like be different but the one thing that kind of sucked the most I think was me just being a little bit too empathetic throughout the entire process and not putting my foot down in certain situations um and I guess do if I could have done it again like had a second chance I could have tried a little bit harder but at the end of the day

I am who I am and so it's like it's a regret but it's like a regret that I would I would continue to keep making because that's just the person I am and maybe that's this kind of process wasn't ideal for me being on this side as you know the bachelor but that's who I am and I can't change who I am um and in regards like what you said about you know yeah I remember saying that like I didn't want I didn't care about any drama of being remembered for this or that I wanted to give people because I've been such the hopeless romantic the romantic like that story they could live vicariously through and like inspire them to like never settle and like look for hopefully what I was going to go fine but even though it

didn't work out that way, I still, I hope that it can inspire people just kind of seeing me now and where I'm at. And I've always said, like, I'm not a hopeless romantic. I don't like the word hopeless because I'm the kind of romantic that never loses hope that, you know what, that didn't work and that didn't work. And there was so much should I had to go through with that. But guess what I'm still having that mindset that, you know, the next person is going to be my girl. And if I can still feel that way after what I just went through, hopefully that I can in a different way inspire people in a way I didn't think it was possibly going to at the beginning of the season.

Peter, very well said. So I have one last question for you, being that this is kind of like a redemption podcast for you. I ring light just almost fell down. Sorry, a lot going on in this closet. Saying that this is a redemption podcast for you and we started out at the beginning asking you about the coronavirus, I want to ask you this last question.

It's interesting you say empathy. because I think a lot of people would have labeled that that you were indecisive. So that's why I think what you said is very powerful because it's like, okay, I actually can see that.

I can see how you were being very empathetic. But a lot of people have labeled you as indecisive. A lot of people have had opinions on you one way or another for various reasons, kind of as if I don't want to use certain words,

but basically as if you don't make your own decisions. And I'm going outside of even them saying because of your mom. Just a lot of people have had a lot to say about you that I don't necessarily agree with. Becca and I have had the chance to get to know you off of the podcast. You're a great guy. Your character's outstanding. I mean, like, you sent us a voicemail the other day.

And I turned to Brian. I was like, you couldn't be mad at Peter if you tried. You just couldn't. He's just such a good person. But I feel defensive of you, and I've said this before, just because I feel like people have a lot to say about you. So I just kind of want to give you the opportunity and give you the floor. like Becca did at the beginning of this podcast to just address it. The people who have stuff to say about you and that, like,

you can't make your own decisions and you're indecisive. What do you have to say about that? You know, in regard, yeah, I've heard that a ton. And listen, I'll admit to a lot of it. I was indecisive in regards to a lot of situations. And I'm okay with that because that, to me, was just showing how well this did work for me and it was working for me. You know, I didn't want to fall for multiple women.

I didn't want to have to have these crazy, confusing days, these weeks I had to deal with. But I did. And so, you know, I look at the way I look at it, it's like I wasn't indecisive. That'd probably be a little bit weird because maybe it wasn't working as well as maybe it's the wrong opinion. But that's honestly, that's how I look at it. You know, in regards to being like empathetic and like, I know there's a lot of relationships why people like didn't understand why I was like maybe possibly giving that person so many chances or, you know, not seeing. the red flags right away or whatnot and you know and I'll specifically say like one with like Victoria F I know I got a lot of like backlash on that relationship like me going into this and like

I've always been such a proponent for grace and like in a relationship that's so important also to be able to give one of the most beautiful gifts you can give um the definition of grace is like is is unwarranted undeserved forgiveness and like so that's how that was my mindset in a lot of these relationships that people didn't get why I was doing what I was doing or what not like I was trying to practice that and like you know not just preach it but practice it um so listen that still though doesn't I made a ton of mistakes I fess up to that over and over the biggest one and the one that I that hurt my biggest regret I take back was you know putting hand and what I put her through and like that to me you know is something that I will forever feel horrible about um because

I just care for her so much. But, you know, through all that, I do feel like she's going to be, Madison's going to be all the other women myself. Like, we are going to still forever be grateful for this experience we share together. And, you know, I never for sure will ever regret being the Bachelor. That's for sure. Just the experience I had, the lessons I learned, I'll take with me for the rest of our life. So, that's great. And luckily, Bachelor Nation has a short-term memory. that's what I hear but there's no other show being a film right now

I kind of take the attention off you really are getting the short end of the stick here because yeah no one I mean until listen to your heart starts no one's going to be able to talk about another show so Peter one last question

before we let you get going here the entire season I think it can be said and Rachel and I have said this too like what does Peter want what do you want it might have been different going into the season than it is now but what ultimately do you want in a partner?

What are you looking for that's really going to fill you at the end of the day? I want someone that, listen, I still want a lot of the same things I wanted from the beginning of the show, but someone that, you know, just really just gets me for who I am and is never going to try to have me change in any way, even if they think it might be a weakness in me, it's something they appreciate about me. And, you know, someone that I do feel like we can really challenge each other. And that's not to be negative or like, oh, he needs to have a problem or an issue or he needs the drama.

That's not what it is. But someone that really just you both challenge each other really well. And, you know, I have had the opportunity just to see and date a lot of different personalities in different women, obviously, in the last two months. And like, so I see a lot of what I like and what I don't like now. And so I'm going to use that for sure moving forward. And, you know, at the end of the day, just someone that just makes me happy and I can make them happy. And it's nothing really much more complicated than that. And I know that's going to happen

for me. We know it will. And we'll be watching. We will be watching. And hopefully somebody that's going to document everything. Well, Peter, we loved having you on. I mean, we said it before, but we're always going to root for your happiness. We're always going to want you to find love. Because like I said, you have such a big heart and we've seen that. And so I really want you at the end of the day to hopefully find what you're looking for. We all go through these crazy ups and downs, especially being from the show. But it seems like you did learn a lot and took a lot. So we're always going to be your biggest supporters here because we can really, it's a crazy world that you've gotten yourself into and you're part of it now. You're stuck with us. But we're happy that we can all be in it

together. No, I love you both so much and I thank you for everything. Just always being there for me and, you know, the whole way. So thank you. Oh, Peter. And one thing, too, I should say, my mom was actually asking for your mom's number because my mom, my mom struggled a lot while I was gone on the show just because she couldn't really talk to me, you know? Um, so she, she wants, she was joking the other day. She wants to start like a support group of bachelor parents. So I think she actually reached out to your mom on Instagram. So hopefully they can chat. yeah i'll bring that up to the mom see what she says but when all this quarantine is set and done we're all coming over and bringing my mom for some Cuban food okay yeah let's go baby oh yeah

tell your mom to fire it up no for sure she's gonna love that so i can't wait thanks peter so much for doing this hopefully this is it for you now you can live your life that's right just like just do you just do you thank you so much for giving us your time and kelly and tell dustin what's up to yeah so mom hug him hugs all right You know, I'm really glad we talked to Peter, Becca, because I'll be honest, I was a little indifferent about doing an interview because I thought, okay, are we just going to be rehashing the same things over and over again? Is this just going to be, you know, I don't know. I just didn't think that, I know our listeners wanted it, but I just wasn't sure how the podcast would go. And I am so glad we did it. I thought that Peter is a new Peter, dare I say it. I think, people will be surprised, pleasantly surprised at what they heard Peter say and where he is and where he was coming from. And I honestly think he's in a headspace now to clearly talk about it without being biased or too emotional from what had happened before. I agree. I think a little time and space and distance always helps. And even for me, I mean, we were supposed to speak to him right after the finale. And I personally, I think in that moment, I would have come at the interview as like, a scorned woman because I could relate with Hannah Ann. And I was in that mindset. And so it's good to now have a little distance from everything that went down. We've seen Peter kind of move on from his season with Kelly. We've seen the girls kind of move on. And so I think it helps to shape the conversation a little bit better. And as you said, Peter now has some space. He has some clarity. He can come at this and finally really say what he wants to say and what he wants to get off of his chest. So I'm so happy we finally spoke with him. him. Yep. Plus, we got Kelly. Now, if we had done this interview right after the finale,

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