Bachelor Happy Hour - Bachelorette Michelle Young Is Here!

Episode Date: October 27, 2021

The woman of the hour, Bachelorette Michelle Young, stops by “Bachelor Happy Hour” to catch up with Becca and Tayshia and break down all the drama from this week’s episode of “The Bachelorette” and her journey so far.  Michelle discusses it all, including how she found her footing as the Bachelorette, her initial discomfort during the group dates, and why she loved the basketball date so much. She also shares how she’s balancing life between being the Bachelorette to Bachelor Nation and Miss Young to her students, plus what it was like watching back last night’s dramatic Rose Ceremony knowing what she knows now about Jamie’s actions.  Then, in a Bachelorettes-only game, Michelle shares her personal preferences for all things Bachelorette and teases all the excitement and drama still to come on her journey.  “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelorette” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning.  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.  See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is a Bachelor Happy Hour listeners? We had another episode for Michelle's season in the books. And it's one that we're going to be getting into with the woman of herself today. But I have my girl, Tasia, back with me. Thanks for joining it again, Tasia. Absolutely. Hello, happy hour listeners. I'm so excited to be back and give you all a little tea and inside scoop about this season.

But you're right, Becca, I am so freaking excited. We have The Woman of the Hour. Our special guest today is The Bachelorette Michelle herself joining us. And I cannot wait to pick her brain about everything that's been going down. Oh my gosh. Same. I have missed this one. I cannot wait to have her on.

I know usually each week we do a quick little recap, or we give our high level. lights, you know, of what really stood out to us. But I figured this week, why do we even need to do that when we have Michelle on? Like, we can pick her brain on everything that we saw about down last night. I do have some questions about premiere night, night one that I know she's probably sick of talking about by now. But we just need to get into it with her because, well, you both have all the behind the scenes. You lived in. Michelle definitely was in the thick of things. So I think we should just get straight into our interview with her because I know, all of our listeners are just dying to hear from her right now. Yeah, I mean, let's bring her on. We got Minnesota in the house. Michelle, the woman of the hour of this season. My Midwest girl, I'm so excited to have you here. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour.

Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's so nice to be back on. For anyone who can't see you, because obviously this is a podcast and we're all listening. Michelle is glowing. Michelle, you look absolutely stunning. we need to just tell you how good you looked in these first couple episodes incredible incredible oh thank you and like we've tish and i have obviously met you in person we've hung out a few times now

and you're just as radiant in real life but i have to say the confidence and the kindness that we have just seen from these first couple episodes just radiate through the tv screen i'm so glad that you are our bachelorette how have you been now that it's finally airing and the world gets to see the beginnings of your journey. I don't know if I'm excited. I don't know if I'm more nervous. I think it's all of it. I love to ask you to how you both felt in this position.

But, you know, Tation, I have talked a lot about when is it kicking in? Like, when does it kick in that you're The Bachelor? And you have these moments where you truly feel that you are the Bachelorette. And all of this just happened. And then I've, you know, kind of been sitting with it a little bit. And then back to normal life and now the whole world gets to, follow along. So I'm super stoked. And yeah, I'm ready to go. I have to tell you, I don't think it ever hits. I still have moments where I'll wake up from a nap and I'll be like,

what actually happened in my life a couple years ago? Like, it still doesn't seem real. I want to ask you really quick, because you just mentioned, you know, obviously it's an adjustment. And you did go from filming your season, which is a whirlwind in itself. But then you went back to Minnesota and back to teaching. And now you're immersed back in this world now that it's airing. What has that been? Like I can only imagine how much of a roller coaster it's been. I mean, lesson planning in the hair and makeup chair. We're before, you know, on your way to this premiere brunch, it's just, it's this total double life. I feel like that I'm living right now. And it's busy. It's hectic. I'm definitely tired.

but I will say that being back in the classroom has made me feel so much like myself and it's nice because as you both know that like this world it can get kind of overwhelming at times it can get a lot and sometimes you just need to be able to put it down and I feel like being in the classroom being with my students when I'm there I'm truly miss young and I'm able to have like that old piece of my routine and my old life with me still and so it kind of keeps me a balance in a way, even though I'm insanely busy. I can attest to that. I remember the night before your bachelor at brunch, I texted you and you're like, oh, I'm just working. I'm like, yeah, bachelor's a lot of work. You're like,

no, I'm doing lesson plans. And you know, it's like 9pm. I'm like, oh, my God, you really do it all. But I have to say, I really think that diving right back into teaching and like going and back into that world might truly be the best thing for you. I think that it keeps you not that you need to be grounded but like i think it just really keeps you grounded and doesn't let you get so caught up in everything that's going on because people are going to have so many opinions and you're going to have so much coming your way but this kind of allows you to kind of like shut it off you can't be on your phone you're with the kids that you know matter the most to you and it kind of just allows you just to like again keep a piece of yourself and i think that

that's actually genius so yeah it's a nice i mean it was definitely like your system kind of thing when you do it in, you film, you fly home, and then you're back in the classroom, but it's my kids definitely keep me humble. That's good. Well, and I don't think for most of our listeners and viewers of the show, I don't think people realize how crazy life gets, you know, when you're in the limbo phase between when you actually filmed and when it airs. Like, you know, assuming all goes according to plan and you end up with somebody, I remember

the days like every week and a half i'd be whisked back to california for a happy couple time with my partner you're still all over the place doing press it's not just like you have this downtime like these couple months like you're back and forth on a plane constantly so it's got to be a whirlwind and i'm sure it's got to be tough for the students too what is the weirdest thing that one of your kids has asked you so far since everything has gone down oh my god i'm dying to know this I feel like this group this year, they truly know me as Ms. Young. I mean, coming into the classroom, they know that I was gone that first week of school because I was doing some filming. But as far as details about everything, that's pretty much all they know, which is nice.

Now, after tonight, will that change attention when I go back to the classroom next week. Might it look a little different, feel different. could, but I definitely make sure to set that line between Ms. Young and Michelle and make sure that everything's focused around learning. And honestly, the kids this year, the biggest thing that they ask is like, just tell us, just tell us, like, are you with somebody? Are you not with somebody? We won't tell anybody. We won't tell anybody. And I'm like, yeah, okay. Sure you won't. You're like, you're cute, but no. I know. You know, one of the kids is moms is like, go ask Ms. Young.

Like, get the details. We won't tell them. Oh, 100%. Yeah. Or I'll even say, like, I'll tell you at the end of December, like, when the finale is already, you know, pre- and they're like, yes, like, she's going to give it to end of December. And I'm like, little do they know. That's like the last episode. Like. Wait, I love that. Well, I'm not going to lie. I loved seeing them on this episode.

And we have so much to talk about that. But I just also, like, if they really keep it real with you. And I feel like they made you feel kind of comfortable and like brings it back home and away. But so we know when we can speak from experience that nothing can truly prepare you for the role of being the Bachelorette. But I'm actually curious to know what are some of the important conversations and qualities you were looking for that were important for you to convey as a Bachelorette?

I think the biggest one that I wanted to set the tone with was just authenticity and really making sure that these men coming in stayed true to who they were. And that's hard at times when sometimes you're still figuring out who you are and where you stand and that's okay. And, you know, I personally believe that I'm always on this personal growth journey and always will be. But you do. You have to know who you want.

I think in order to be in a relationship and a health relationship at times. And, you know, that TANO can kind of obviously move a little bit, but in this world, you can really lose who you are easily and you can get lost with that. And so knowing who you are, being genuine, and then being humble because you come in as this normal person and you leave and then the world around you starts to change. And I think it takes somebody who can really stay grounded, has a good head on their shoulders, doesn't care about the spotlight, you know, because it's like you could. My biggest worry was I could fall in love with somebody and who they are. And, you know, after this and after the fame kind of strikes and the

spotlight strikes, are they still going to be that humble person? You know? Yeah. And that's like that biggest thing because it is a huge change that takes place. Oh, spoken like a true Midwesterner. I love that. I feel so left out right now with that hack. I mean, you got to come back to Minnesota with us. I love that you said that because that's actually when I was leaving to go on the Bachelor, you know, years ago.

That was the one thing my mom said when she sent me off was stay kind and stay humble. And which I think was so apparent. We saw it with you in, you know, taking it back to your premiere and when you did the hometown package with your parents, when you sat down and just, you know, had the barbecue and caught up with them. And they just showed such a great portrayal of, you know, a very positive relationship that you were lucky enough to grow up with. But you just, I think any viewer felt that love that your parents have for one another for you and you back with them. It was, it was really beautiful to watch. But I'm sitting there. I'm like, I seem like my people.

like but um and that's one thing too that just knowing you and having conversations with you you know and for all of our listeners who don't truly know you and have spent time with you like you have stayed the same since i would say day one since we first sat down and that's what i think is such a beautiful thing and i love that you drove that home with the men because you know now speaking from experience and tasha i'm sure you've experienced this as well with some of your guys from the season is you you kind of get to know these guys in one way right you have up to two months of no distractions with them no phones no TVs nothing but then they get out in the real world after the show and you kind of see fame go to some of their heads and they blow up and not that people

shouldn't soak in the opportunities because everyone definitely should but but it definitely can change some people and so I love that you win in night one and I think the the first speech with all the men fresh out the gate you know drove that home which might which I think just set the tone for hopefully the entire season. Let's get back to just the premiere. I know you've been talking about it like crazy. We really want to get into what we saw go down last night. But just going back to the limo entrances and you standing there and the nerves coming back to you,

what was one of your either, I would say, favorite limo entrances or just one where you met a man and he just made you feel a call where you're like, I can do this. This is going to work. I think one of my favorites was Rick coming in on that service flatter his head was on this tray of lettuce with this silver top to it and it just got me in a moment

where I just genuinely laughed and I feel like that person I feel like I laughed a lot but with this it had me laughing it had me scared it got the adrenaline going again if I needed any more adrenaline but and it showed dedication and commitment. I mean, I don't think I would put myself in a table for however long, let alone the first time meeting somebody.

But when it comes down to my favorite entrance, hands down, it's brick and clearly hit off. Michelle, he was committed to that. How long do you think he was in that table for? Can you imagine how uncomfortable he was? No, she needs a carer. That's what I said. Absolutely for a drink.

Did anyone feed him? drinks? I hope so. I hope someone checked on him. I hope they allowed him to use the restroom if he needed to. I don't know how long he was in there, but I do know that it was hours because he came in and when by the time I gave my toast, he was still in the table. By the time I sat down and they rolled him in to talk to me, he was still in the table and that was hours later. That night's long. He had to have hold it. If he had to go to the bathroom. He would have had to hold it for so long. Can you imagine someone he had to tell someone to wheel him out in order for him to go to the bathroom? Right. You'll meet to the urinals, please. Yeah, hey, I got to go. Can you take me out of here? Oh, my God. I'm telling

you, though, I have to agree with you. The commitment on that was he definitely gets a gold star for his entrance. I hadn't seen anything like that before. Exactly. It was so unique. It really was. We're Rick fans over here. Yes. Okay. Um, okay. So last night, we saw you go on three dates. By the way, we're going back to like the second episode now. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Because you've been doing night one this whole time. And so I just want to like make your mind ready. Okay. So last night we saw you go on three dates. Which day activity wise was your favorite because you did rock climbing. You did the classroom. What else? And then basketball. Oh yeah. And then basketball. I would say basketball was my favorite just because you're still in your element I know I am but like being there in that element you can also see a competitive side yeah and I'm a really competitive person but also when I lose I'm not a sore loser like I put effort in I give it my all but if I lose I'm not like salty I'm not a sore loser and so seeing that of guys in this environment where they get to tap into that competitive side, I get to see that, but then, you know, if it doesn't go how you plan, how do you handle yourself? Like,

are you in a relationship? I mean, I've been in a relationship where we both were very competitive and if I won and the other person lost, like, you want to make the rest of the night. I'm like, I don't want that. I was strong the line. So, yeah. So it was nice. kind of see that. And I think they were really nervous, though, because I knew that I've had a long history with basketball. And so I think they were really just

self-conscious of, I don't know, their basketball's their level of skill. I would have been so intimidated. Not only are they trying to wow you and stand out and date America's most eligible bachelor's but like, you can

hoop. You're freaking good. Like, it's not like... If I would have been on that date, I would have zero intimidation because I'm the most inathletic person ever. But, like, you are actually so incredible with the balls and on the court and everything. I was just like, damn, I'm going to turn down like watching Michelle right now. But who, obviously we see you gave Joe the MVP that day. Who else, like, really stuck out to you? Not even, like, skill-wise, but just somebody who handled the entire day very well.

um okay par deep par deep has my heart and i feel like you can agree on this he was just so excited he was just so excited to be there he knew that all these other guys might be more athletic than him but he knew that he had the smarts and just put the effort in and there's just so much sincerity with him uh that anytime i was watching him i i was smiling

and so him who else I'm trying to think of. I remember when party made this like incredible shot. He had been shooting all day and he hadn't made any. He made this one incredible shot and we all lost it. We all screamed like in the stands and it was by the time the guys were playing five on five. The winners got to go to the after party. The losers had to literally go home.

And it's the first week. And like so many of these guys I still haven't had conversations with. And Pardip made the first shot for his team and literally the stands when I said Sam, me, Tasha, Caitlin. Everybody went wild.

They were all, like, killing and swimming. Yeah, it was so fun. It was amazing. I'm trying to think who else, like, killed it that day. Who else did you? Martin was really good.

Martin was sneak good. I didn't realize how good. He was very, like, what we call it, like, shifty. Like, he was quick and agile. Nate, six eight and eight super close to the basket

couldn't put ball in the basket to save his life I don't understand how you can get that close to the basket and miss them frequently so I guess that could be another level of challenge but yeah it was it was a good day and I mean the guys got to shoot their shot and some of them did

and some of them did but some of them they're bald literally and figuratively Okay, wait. So I have a question for you. How scary was rock climbing? Because I have never professionally done that before. But you look like the pro. And honestly, Jamie was really helping you, which I really appreciated that. And I feel like, okay, but that's a really good skill set for a man is to actually be able to speak like in a loving way and try to be like, okay, no, try this one, try this one. And you got the hang of it and you felt really comfortable. So how fun was rock climbing? It looked incredibly. scary. Did I look comfortable up there? I don't you kind of like, well, you're athletic. So you know how

hard you try. But you also just gave it your all because you would you'd be like at times you would say like okay but where do I put my foot or my hand or where do I grab and then you would just do it. Even if you were nervous you would just do it and be like oh that's actually it's right there I can grab

off I got this like you were just like balls to the walls ready to do whatever even if it scared you. It was one of those things Like looking off on it in the distance, like the actual rock formation, it looks tall. And then you walk up to it and you're like, oh my God. Like I'm supposed to climb that. You're supposed to like trust this rope.

You're supposed to trust this person who is belaying you and all these different things. But I mean, Jamie was. He was really good at like talking me through things. Once you get up close to the wall and you're actually rock climbing and someone's telling you, okay, well, like the rocks right there. it is very hard to find. It's like camouflage. And so I'm like, I'm just going to trust you in reach.

It was like this huge trust, but like relationship bonding moment that, yeah, it was special. You both balance each other well on that and like built each other up and helped each other when you needed to. I thought that was really special. I think I would have probably been like before I got strapped in, I would have been like, can I take out some life insurance real quick? I don't know if I, you know, I just met this guy last time. I don't know if I trust him fully. Yeah. I mean, there are times where I'm like, why did I sign that like liability waiver so quick?

Did I really read the fine print? I'm not sure. Right. Okay, going back to the very first date of the week, you had quite a variety of dates. Do you feel, though, like what really set the tone was that first date with the kids in the classroom and the men? Did you feel like that just comforted you in a way where sometimes, you just need a specific date at a certain time and to really just, like I said, set the tone for really this entire season to come and to just have both of your worlds collide? How did that

feel knowing you were able to bring some of the men into your world? I think you bring up a really good point. It was so comforting because you are outside your comfort zone a little bit, a little bit. You're a lot. It's uncomfortable, right? And like the cameras are there. You're still kind of getting used to this, getting your bachelorette legs underneath you, like your group date legs. It's a weird concept. But being able to be in the classroom, it's like, it's like this default mode that I feel like I have and I understand. And so put me in any classroom, whether it's in Minnesota, and it's my classroom, whether it's a different classroom. And I kind of feel like I'm at home a little bit and was able to kind of jump in the groove there and then basketball as well.

And so I felt like that first week with dates, it was just really encompassed who I was. It gave the guys a really good look at who I was. And it was a good start. And it also kind of put the guys in their place. I mean, those kids were on it. She's like, leave her alone. When did she, when who kept calling you? What was his name?

Brandon? Whispering your name. Peter. They all did. I feel like they all. Peter. He's like, Michelle, and she's like, leave her alone.

Oh, during the science. Yeah, I got you. Yep. Yeah. No, they had my back. They had my back. They did. They really did.

And they were so smart. Was there anyone that surprised you? Good and bad, I guess. Like, who kind of... Right a bit brighter. Yeah. Romeo, I don't know if Romeo got a question wrong. Romeo hit everything.

I mean, he's a mathematician, right? He's a smart man. Yeah. He's a very smart man. smart man. Casey, Casey as well. Like Casey's has an extensive vocabulary. Um, LT made me laugh. I don't know if LT has ever failed to make me laugh. Going back to Peter on that date. Right. Yes. Who was it? The beef between him and it was Will, correct? Who called him the narcissist and wrote down. Okay. I have to say, first of all, right before Will and all the other guys turned their

boards around. I said somebody needs to write Peter's name. But what did you feel in that moment? Because obviously we go into the night portion, things got very heated. It blew up between the two of them. But did you think it was that big of a deal at the time when Will wrote Peter's name? I was so hard as I don't know. Like I and I still didn't know their relationship up until that point. But also we're just getting started. And I felt like everyone was fairly playful with each other. I mean, they're guys, they call each other out, but they laugh. And that one hit home for Peter. And that's kind of why there was that reaction.

And then it just continued to snowball into this, like into that evening. But at that time, I didn't really see too much by it. Although I feel like Mia, one of the kids by me, like she like looked at me. I was like, did you see that? So the kids picked up on it. Right, right. It was interesting. I felt like, yeah, as a viewer, or, you know, it was lighthearted.

Again, like, it's kind of a competition. You want to still make your name and stand out in a way. And I really didn't think it was that big of a deal. So when I saw them yelling at each other, as you're trying to have a nice conversation with another man and you can hear them yelling behind you, I'm like, you guys, it's too early for this. This is just the first day. Come on, people.

You're so funny. I was like looking around like, who is talking? I was like, oh, my God, wait. Are those the guys in the background? I literally did not know that that was then. I didn't know. I didn't know either, though. It took me.

It really did take me a minute because it was the first, it was literally the first group date. Yeah. And I'm sitting there talking to Olu, and I do hear it. But I also felt like it was a really loud group of guys. And they would like banter back and forth. They would laugh with each other. They were just like super vocal at times. And so that's all I thought was going on.

And then I saw it in Olu's eyes where he was like, and here it, I'm like, is that yelling? And he's like, yeah, it is. So Olu coming into the conversation, already knew that there was beef between Will and Beater. Yeah. Got it. Got it.

It's always like kind of, I remember being back in that position where you can hear the guys. And you know sometimes tensions are high. But like when you actually hear the fighting, or you hear from the other guys, guys of what's going on. I just remember laughing being like, is this what we're fighting about?

Is this the drama right now? But it's always fun to get like the snippets from other people. And then to see it all unfold on TV, it seems way more. You're extreme and heightened. Okay, I'm totally going off tangent here, but I need to ask you.

I need to go back to Night 1 and all of this Ryan stuff when Tasha and Caitlin confronted you because Michelle, first of all, I'm so glad that you just saw right. through the BS and sent him home. I have to say, I knew Ryan beforehand. And so for him to be like, oh, I have no idea about the Bachelor world. He was our Bachelor for Bachelor Live on stage about a year and a half, two years ago.

And he was like, he knew a lot about the show. He had like all this knowledge bank about everything was like very invested. And so when he was trying to lie to you, I'm literally yelling through my screen of like, that's bullshit. Don't lie to her. What was going to draw your mind? Okay, I just talked to Ben Higgins about this, and he mentioned that he was on your show

when you guys were doing that, like, traveling thing. And I was like, oh, interesting and whatever. But for whatever reason, I didn't put it together that that whole piece added on top of it was when he was talking about being a part of the bachelor world and how he had no idea. Wow. yeah so that's just a whole added like again like you put all these pieces together there was just so much

drama with that where i'm like this is not this is not how you want to start a relationship right it was it was just so much information and even honestly even the papers aside even like the information that i had found aside when i go back and have watched it it's like in that conversation I felt like he contradicted himself so many times. But that conversation, standing by itself, it's like you're not a bad person. I'm not sure where this is coming from, the dishonesty, but it's not where I'm putting in my energy.

Nope. I mean, honestly, let's just call it as it is. He's a bad apple. And honey, we're only looking for the good apples. So speaking of apples, okay? Can we talk about Rodney's apple taste test? Because I'm not kidding. I was laughing so hard this.

man is hilarious. But I need to know, did he really mix up the Granny Smith and the Fuji apple? Yes. This man does not know his apples. Yes, this man does not know his apples. I mean, the fact that he called himself a Granny Smith right off the bat, I'm like, is this a red flag? Is it not?

Yeah, but he even bit into a green apple and he didn't know. Well, going into that apple taste testing, I swear, if he bit into a red apple, he identified it as some type of green apple yellow delicious and then vice versa like when he bit until the red delicious like oh that's a granny smith i'm like that could not be farther from the truth and then it just completely finished it out perfectly when i fed him a piece of pizza and he was like lasagna and i'm like no idea i was rolling i was like i like rodney we actually had Nate on last week's podcast and he had nothing but great fun stories about Rodney. So I'm, I will say, I'm excited to see more of him. He, he, he, his taste buds might be off, but he is

entertainment for us viewers and I'm here for it. Absolutely. Let's get into the end of the episode because that's where most of the drama was, right? And, you know, we saw since the beginning, you have like this, this weird history with the DMs with Joe, you know, it's kind of that lingering storyline. It obviously now fed into your first week of dates and into your first cocktail

party. What were you going through that night of the rose ceremony, you know, hearing what was going on, hearing what Jamie brought to your attention, um, and ultimately deciding to cancel that cocktail party. Like, talk us through that night in your mind. Coming and taking the role as

like the bachelor's like you know there's going to be drama you know that there's going to be highs you know that there's going to be lows and all these different things but i think one thing that i really talked to tasha about was just like there's these moments where i'm like i have no idea who to trust and that was definitely that moment where when jamie sat down and spoke to me about what he was hearing and his perspective of things it kind of launched everything in the air And not so much where I turned around and I was upset where like who's questioning me, I mean, I guess a little bit. But like all these different. I just didn't know what to think.

I didn't know what to believe. I was upset that my character was even being questioned because I was like, what do you say? I feel like I'm a good person. I feel like that's shown. Like, why are we questioning my character like this? But also just not knowing who believes in you. And I've been in relationships where I've. my partner didn't believe in me.

And that was really difficult. And so you're trying to stay vulnerable and you're trying to stay open. And there's all these different layers that you're trying to like navigate and figure out who believes in me. I just met all these guys. I don't know who believes in me. I don't know who's telling me the truth. And so it's a hard moment where you actually feel kind of lonely. Yeah.

I remember talking to outside and you don't really see our conversation at all. But I just remember like that really upsetting you and you feeling like, look, I'm doing everything that I'm supposed to be doing. Like my walls are down. I'm being as vulnerable as I possibly can. I'm being as honest as I can. And like him and I had exchanged DMs, but that was the extent of us ever being involved with each other. And I just remember you feeling like I don't know who to trust and that's a very scary place for me to be in. And it broke my heart hearing you like even in your interview and talking to the guys just saying like I really want to put those walls back up right now.

now. And it's the very beginning of your journey. And for someone just to kind of create this storyline, it just really frustrated me just to watch you go through that. But I think you handle it so well. And I'm happy that hopefully you watching it back. You can kind of understand that it was literally just Jamie and not really the rest of the guys. Like the guys were like, I'm sorry, what just happened? Like I know. When I was watching it back, I'm like, Okay, like, you know, I mean, okay, got it. I wasn't so off, but it definitely is, it's like, I'm not a person who reacts to a lot or even is affected by a lot of drama,

but I think the one thing that really got to me was the questioning of character. I think that anything could have gotten to me, like it would be that. And so it wasn't like this thing of like, I'm quitting, I'm done. I was like, who, wait, where, like, where do I even? go from here. It's like me physically feeling like I'm like shoving these walls back down because I didn't want to talk to anybody. I, you know, not. Well, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like just from watching it, because to add to what Tation said, I think you handled that situation very maturely. You went to the group of men. You had them all sit down. You addressed it. You kind of gave the context of,

you know, look, my character's being questioned right now. Here's the. minimal history that Joe and I had, you know, between a couple DMs, that's really not that big of a deal. But I think the part that got me and if I was in your position, I would been frustrated with is the fact that you then opened it up for questions and opened it up for this dialogue for any of these 25 or however many you had at the time, men to ask you about it, to talk to each other about it. And they just all shut down. And no one even, you know, it was, it was crickets. And so for you to be that vulnerable to be like, this isn't an easy position to be in. I probably don't want to be addressing this right now, but here you go. Like,

let's open up this floor and no one said a damn thing. And you're, I could totally see why you're just like, okay, then I'm out of here right now. Like, I would have totally reacted the same way. I would have probably wanted to cancel the cocktail party because at that point, it's like, you had the opportunity to talk to me or to each other and you chose not to. So like, why are we going to keep this going any longer if we don't have to? Was it two part question? So for you what was that like in your head and what were you going through when you did open

the floor up and no one said anything and then to now watch it back and kind of see how you know Jamie confronted you and he had no problem bringing that to your attention but then totally shut down and took no accountability

in front of the men for what he did it was a confusing moment and watching it back I can see why I was confused because they were like truly two different storylines that were going on. And so in that moment when I'm asking, you know, it was, it was brought to my attention in this very pointing manner that it needs to be addressed, that it's taking on this life of its own. And that's how it made me feel. And so I'm, I'm an open person. And so I'm like, let's talk about it. Because I, even though I was upset and my character was getting question, I'm like, let me make you guys feel better so that you

know that you didn't come here for somebody who wasn't genuine like my first thought was the guys like please know that this is not true i'm a genuine person right but then when i oh like you said back like when i opened it up and that first time i did open it up like there were crickets and i'm like okay like if we're talking at the house then and and we're saying these things and we should be able to talk about it but after that moment you know i responded how i responded nobody said much at all there was much a lack of response and then you know moving forward watching it back it's like they all were talking to each other like I'm really confused like who said this which is understandable but then they could have also did that right there and then you know like I guess I would have said

I would have appreciated it if they would have been like okay like what are we talking about and then I'm like cool like yeah let's have a round table discussion about it does any part of you very good point that's a very good point now watching it back and obviously hindsight is always 20 20 do you wish at that moment when you did open it up and leave it you know open ended discussion and let them ask you questions do you wish you would have brought up jamie like you know jamie you came to me you were very open about having this conversation you made it seem like multiple men in the house are talking about this like what's going on do you wish that just would have like kick started that entire conversation more because we have us to see it ended now where all of the men are

still very confused and it seems like they're going to be confused going into next week now. It's so hard when you're in like the seat where like someone is bringing something and confiding in you and tell you a piece of information. It's like, yes, we are all adults and we should be able to talk about it. But at the moment when it was brought to my attention, it came off very tasteful and I guess I wanted to keep that confidentiality on my part whereas if Jamie would have been like hey yeah we didn't talk about this and this is what I'm referring to um it was hard to jump in that way right away like the first person who tells you something it's like we have this discussion and I'm like boom tell me what you said tell everybody

what you cry yeah you didn't want to feed him to the wolves I was trying to like navigate that And I think, like, as the season goes on, I get better at doing that and being very honest. But I was definitely trying to figure that part of the roll out still. I mean, I definitely feel, okay, so number one, we could always say, like, I wish I would have done this. But when you're in that situation, it's so hard to navigate those waters. But also, I almost feel like it was an abuse of power on his end. Like, he had made his way into your heart. He had the first one-on-one.

He had this vulnerability with you. You guys had created and, like, establish a connect. to where you can open up. And you're right. He did come to you in a very, like, quote, unquote, tasteful way. Like, it wasn't like this, like, you need to go talk to this guy. And, like, he was like, hey, I just need you to know. I've walked into, and this is the line that kills me.

I've walked into several conversations, you know, this week about, like, what's going on between blah, blah. And so he really made it seem like it was an issue amongst all of the men. And then I can see how, like, when you do address the guys, you do kind of, you know, honor him and kind of keep that private to yourself because you have that report with him. You have that established connection. And it's just really sad that he kind of abused that.

But I guess that just... Yeah, you're completely right. It was like this level of connection. The types of conversations we had on our first one-on-one were really just vulnerable, intense conversations. And he was so honest and open about everything that he's been through and he's been through a lot. And I, I, I, hearing his words and then my perspective of things as, I mean, he could, he could visibly see me hurting when he was telling me that my character was being questioned.

And then to go back and say like, she handled it. Well, no, I was like, we misgauge something here. Like, we're not on the same page. Right. Especially when he knew he lied. That's not cool. Mm-hmm. My personal opinion. Yeah. And it's, and I've said this for, you know, any episode, any season, there's so much more that none of us are privy to, you know, now, now is when you're listening to all of the interviews back and you're seeing the private conversations between the men back. Like, this is a first time for you too. And so I'm sure, you know, because you're viewing it alongside us, like it's stirring up different emotions as you go along. Um, I obviously I have no idea what happens next week. I hope that at some point he apologizes for. that because it put you in such a difficult situation where ultimately you did end up canceling the cocktail party going into that rose ceremony then after you finished the night early did you just like how were you feeling just unsettled obviously you mentioned like the guards

were close to coming up again like what were you feeling in those moments at that night I was just feeling exhausted honestly and yes I mean, I am a person who pushes through exhaustion and like I always want to be there for other people, give everything that I have. And in that moment, I was like, I have nothing left in the tank right now within the conversations. I wanted to be present, but all the conversations, you know, would soon start to curate and become about this topic that I tried to open the panel up to and we didn't talk about really much at all. And so, um, so with that going into it, I went off of where my heart was at and which people I felt like believed in me from our conversations, um, which people I felt like I had a connection with and then, you know, using that to make my decisions. And that doesn't mean that every man who

went home that week is somebody who was questioning my character. But, you know, it just played into the level of connections and my comfort. Listen, we get it too past bad, those sometimes those nights are hard where you're so, there's still a lot of people that you don't really know and you just have to go off that gut instinct. Yes.

Mm-hmm. Well, let's look, let's let's talk about what we're going to be looking forward to in episode three. There's a lot to come. What's coming? What can we expect? I mean, Michelle Young gets, her bachelor's legs underneath her.

Yeah, and, you know, I really start to become more honest with what I am needing from these guys. And group dates are definitely a heavy task. They're uncomfortable. But when you're trying to get engaged at the end of this, like, they have to be productive. And so you're going to kind of see me battle back and forth with that. kind of just figure out what I need, what I'm getting, what I'm not getting, and drama. Always the drama. Or drama.

Well, I did want to ask because earlier when you were answering one of the questions, you said you were still trying to find your Bachelorette footing, which I totally get. I think any of us can attest to that. Like the first couple of weeks is fun and nerve-wracking and just the anticipation of what's to come. like that's all so much but when did you feel like you fully like found your footing where you're like okay i got this i have the hang of things now like i'm finding my voice i'm finding my way i honestly felt really good during cocktail parties during after parties during one-on-ones it was the group dates that was the real stinger for me because just past experiences and

other emotions that come from that kind of started to bubble to the surface a little bit with just how group dates were going and it took me a minute to find my footing I don't know if it was my footing to find basically going into that first week on group dates the guys really struggled to make connections during a group day

and I really brought to the light that I wasn't wanting attention. I was wanting them to go out of their way and have a conversation with me because I felt like I was seeking the men out and having conversations and trying to get to know them. But when I didn't go over to them

to start the conversation, they were hanging out with each other and wouldn't come over and talk to me. Whether that they were nervous, they weren't trying to figure out, like they weren't able to, you know. They weren't pursuing you. They weren't pursuing you.

Yes. And it was, Yeah. And I think that was like the hardest thing where I'm like, I need to see that you want to continue to get to know me during these group dates. Like you can't just think on the after party time. That's not how this works because group dates, like you spend a lot of time in group dates. That's precious time. And I kind of had asked for that, asked for that, asked for that, asked for that. And it wasn't being reciprocated. And then there's definitely a moment where it just kind of hits me. And yeah, it's tough. It's tough. Oh, man.

Group dates are really tough to juggle, and it's for the guys, but also for you. And like you're saying, like, I feel like they, group dates are really fun because there's, like, a lot going on, and the guys can kind of be silly. But then there's, like, bromance almost happens. And you're like, okay, that's all fun in games, but like, you're here to see me, people. You remember me?

And I think you were kind of experiencing that a little bit. And, like, the guys, whether it be, let's just say, they were a little intimidated or, like, they didn't, know that they could go like come up to you and just like have a conversation like they need to make the most of every single moment they have as opposed to like you were saying just the cocktail parties at night and you were kind of experiencing that back to back to back and it was kind of like okay so do you really want to try or do you need to constantly have me come up to you and I think that that's something that was really frustrating because also what female what woman wants to

vocalize that you know like hi I'm still over here by myself and y'all are bromancing over there. I think it was really frustrating for you and it was really hard. But I'm glad you spoke up because I think it changed after that. Yeah, definitely. Definitely did. Did you ever feel like because, you know, and this is something I struggled with just in my time a couple years ago. And Tisha, maybe you felt this at some point. I'm not sure. But because you are the Bachelorette and you were announced pretty early, like back in March. So all of the men coming on to the season knew you were going to be the Bachelorette. So they, of course, could do their homework and research and get to know you and your interest.

Obviously, we saw Ryan do that night one, but I'm sure he wasn't the only guy to kind of Google you or look you up or creep on your Instagram, whatever it might be. But did you ever feel like because of that, that the guys weren't necessarily asking you the right direct questions to get to know you? Did you feel like they already just kind of assumed they knew you? And they were having you do the heavy lifting and the work to ask them everything.

I think the first night was more where the guys were sharing so much about themselves and really wanting to make that connection just because you almost have to. It's like speed dating in a way. It's like this is what I have to offer. I only have a few minutes with you and I know you're going to make a decision. So like this is where my mind's at. And like I totally get that. I will say that I did feel like my guys truly.

wanted to know who I was and they knew that I was a teacher and they knew that I played sports in those things and they love those things about me but they did during after parties and during cocktail parties and one-on-one dates I feel like they really did want to go past that level and they really wanted to know who I was as a person and I felt like they were able to do the heavy lifting during those parts I just wanted more of that during the group date as well you know not so much like we are now doing to handle it like football dribbling and that's all you're thinking about that's all you're doing it's just yeah you want to interact a little bit you know exactly and you want to feel pursued you are the bachelorette to be honest and yeah it's it's it's tough when

the men of course they live together they spend much more time especially up front with each other than they do with you and so maybe it was just more of a comfort thing um i mean i'm excited to see it unfold and to see you put these men in their place Michelle yeah well eventually it's gonna be so good I'm patient for a certain amount of time and then you know and then I'm not patient and then I'm done being so of this season with no spoilers because we've only seen two episodes and we still have a lot more to come what so far has been your rose and your thorn my rose would definitely be the effort was put into night one with all of the different ways that these men showed up and showed their personality and my thorn would be having to cancel the cocktail party because my character is

questioned yeah i think i'd have to agree with you unless you're into that kind of thing I get you're like, no, not me. All right, Michelle, I mean, I feel like I miss you. I can keep talking to you for hours, but you are a very busy woman these days. So before we let you go, we love to play games with all of our guests. So we're going to play a little game called This or That, Bachelrette's only game. So basically, we're going to ask you a situation that only us as Boucheret's, we probably know how to handle. So this is going to be interesting because it's going to just be rapid fire.

So we'll give you a this or that. just you know whatever you're feeling in the moment just saying and it'll be interesting to see how it would line up with how tation i would answer so i'll just kick it out so this or that would you rather send someone home at a row ceremony or on a one-on-one date row ceremony ooh make sense everyone on the first night or have a few meaningful kisses meaningful kisses break up with someone or be broken up with I'll take the fall. I hate the time of the season, too.

I'm like a hot and sweating. I'm already hearing of it. Okay, let's see. Watch fireworks or a surprise concert? Surprise concert. Head on a platter or no pants? Head on a platter. Hit on a flatter

Would you rather take your men on a physical date Or a date where they have to perform Physical date Okay Perform how so Like Like put on an act Just sing a song

Everybody make them be silly You know Like really put them out there Okay actually perform I'm changing my answer 100% Okay See me in a different light

All right. Have Tasia and Caitlin on a group date or at the rose ceremony? Group date. You need your girls. Yes, I do. Let's go. We're an extravagant dress or something more simple. Simple. Share something personal with a guy or have them share something personal with you. Have them share something personal with me.

I love that. Give a guy the group date rose or the group date rose or the The first, ooh, give a guy a group date rose or the first rose at the ceremony. Group date rose. Yeah. Yeah. But honestly, people listen to like whose name is called first at the rose ceremony, by the way. Like, it's like a thing too.

I mean, does you remember? Oh, yeah. I never realized until people started calling it out. And but you can kind of tell, Michelle, I can so tell who you're into already. And I don't know spoilers or anything. it is so apparent to me. I'm just like, oh, she is into this guy or she is not into this one.

I think it changes, though. I think she does a really good job. But you're so nice. Yeah, I do. I open up. And it's like, yes, at the beginning, like that initial attraction, but there are definitely multiple men

who surprised me. And I'm like, time out. Wait a minute. Where do you come from? To your credit, too, you're really good. about being very attentive to each and every conversation. Like, and I get it.

I remember like there were nights where because it goes so late. There's so long. There's so many conversations. You're trying to remember information for each man. And it's really hard to compartmentalize at times. But you are very good about being so alert, attentive, kind to each and every man and every conversation that you're having so far. And I mean, maybe it's just because you're an incredible human because you're a teacher and

you have to. already deal with 30 plus students, I don't know, but you are, you're crushed it so far at this bachelor thing. You really are. Yeah. I feel like there's nothing worse though than like being in a conversation with someone and them not like, not, you're not feeling like they're listening or in that conversation. I mean, there were definitely times where I feel like I accidentally like flip-flop things, you know, and I'm like, oh, I got to remember that. That's the other one. Oh, my God. Been there, done that. It's not a good look. Did you ever forget anyone's name?

I didn't forget. On the first night, Spencer walked in, and I called him a different name. And I'm like, names are so important. Like, and I said it confidently.

Like, I don't know whose name he said, but they walked in. I was like, yes, I was like, nice to meet you. He's like,

is Spencer? I'm like, oh. We all have been there. We get it. Don't worry. Michelle, it has.

been such an absolute pleasure. I hope I'm, well, I'm not hoping. I know we'll have you on later in the season. But until then, we understand that you are a crazy, busy woman. You have so much going on. There are so many other people that you'd probably be rather having conversations with right now. So we're going to let you go. But we absolutely love you. Thank you for joining Happy Hour today. I love you guys and I will talk to you soon. See you later. I love Michelle and I love seeing the bond that you have with her, too. Like, you can just tell that she feels comfortable with you. It's like just like a girl's night where we can just chit-chat and, you know, share some tea.

Honestly, I have to say, like, it was such like a pleasure. I get to know her and the fact that we were able to open up with each other and just, like, really create that relationship is amazing. And I think that just really helps her journey, you know? And I'm allowed to help her a little bit more because I get to know her. And she truly is amazing. I'm not going to lie. I felt really left out that I'm not from freaking Minnesota. I'm like, I want to start like saying my age. Like you guys, like I don't, whatever. I'm coming to Minnesota and visiting both of you because I'm going to be the honorary sister.

Okay. Tasha, you are, I'm just going to drag you back with me. We're going to go hang out. Well, I know you were there for a few weeks on Michelle season, but we're going to give you like the real hometown tour. So just see a way you are in for a treat. A huge, huge, huge thank you to Michelle for joining us today. I'm so glad that she was able to pop on. I know her schedule's so insanely packed right now. So the fact that she could be with us for an hour just means the world. So thank you, Michelle. And a huge thank you to all of our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners.

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