Bachelor Happy Hour - Becca & Tayshia on Fantasy Suite Week

Episode Date: December 15, 2021

Bachelor Nation, it’s Fantasy Suite Week, and WOW was there a lot to unpack from this week’s episode! Luckily, Becca and Tayshia know the significance of this week firsthand, so who better to break it all down with than our lovely hosts themselves!?  In this week’s episode, Becca and Tayshia give their take on everything that happened during Fantasy Suites, including Brandon drawing hearts in the sand, a new side (and volume) of Joe, and their thoughts on Nayte’s undeniable connection with Michelle. Plus, did Michelle say that one of these men is her soul mate?! And what did they think of Brandon’s unexpected move during the Rose Ceremony? Then, the girls take a trip down memory lane and reveal some exclusive details from their Fantasy Suite experiences during their time on both “The Bachelor” and “The Bachelorette.”  “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelorette” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning.  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.  See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, Bachelor Happy Hour? Good to have you back again this week. And of course, I have Tasha with me to cover all things that went down in last night's steamy episode. That's right, guys. We have another great episode for you. We're just going to dive in and talk about everything that we saw in last night's episode.

because we have three incredible men that had wild dates and fantasy suites. And so we can try to figure out what's going to happen next week. Okay, Tasha, first of all, I can believe that the finale is already next week. I know. It's wild. Like, even though I know each week I'm like, it's going by so fast. Like, it's halfway done. And now we're three, fours done.

And the fact that this is the end. I know. At Disney, it's, it's gone by so fast. And I think I'm actually kind of excited to not have a guest this week because I'm sure you can attest to this. But being now on both sides, you were on the bachelor and then as bachelorette, we get so many questions about fantasy sweet week. And that's kind of why we wanted to just sit down and go over. Yeah, exactly. Go over through our experiences, answer some questions.

Because I think when people get to this week, they think like, oh, this is it. You know, they're going to go and like finally have a long time and sleep together. And that's all it's focused on, which that's not the case. Like there's so much that goes into it. And it's really, I know that they kept hitting this home hard last night. But it is the most important week up until this point. Yeah. It really is.

Well, it's for different reasons, though. Like, obviously, meeting the families are huge. but this is just like time where it's like, okay, how do you wake up in the morning? You know what do you like? What is your personality like when the cameras are not there and it's just us too? Like are we actually vibing like when we don't have a date plan for us? What's what's the conversation look like? Do you stimulate me intellectually or other ways? Like I just, you know, there's a lot to find out during fantasy suites. And no, it's not just sexual. So yeah. Well, and I think for the most part and this is something that I mean,

we know because we've lived through it. And I'm sure anyone who watches this show kind of understands the concept of how it works. Like you have your couple that are always on the screen talking. Yeah. realistically, you have a team behind the cameras that are at times, you know, telling you what to do, like where to go, go sit here. And then this is what's going to happen next.

So Fantasy Suites is the first end that that's all removed. And you go and you truly can do whatever you want, whether that's ask question, you know, get intimate, have fun and eat snacks, whatever it might be. But it's the first time where you can see, like, okay, how does this person brush their teeth? Like, are they really timid with the bathroom? Like, are they shy? Like, how does it all, you know, how do we interact together?

It's so important to see how you mesh. And like, I don't know about you. Actually, I want to ask you this. Did you have any expectations when you went into the fantasy suites? Or did you assume something about somebody and then come out the next. next day and you were totally off base. Ooh. Are we talking about Bachelor and my Bachelorette?

Because honestly, I don't want to talk about. Well, that's the thing. Both are so different. Right? Like when you wait. So, yeah, let's talk about it, Bachelor versus Bachelorette because we've both done the same. So Bachelor, I just remember being extremely nervous because at this point, it's like, does this guy really like me?

I legitimately was trying to see this man in my future. I was legitimately trying to, you know, try to work through things and get the questions that I need answered because, again, I have been married before and there were things that I needed to make sure that weren't going to be checked off of my list because I know what it kind of entails. And so I had a lot of expectation and maybe that's why it was a little nervous. I think going into my fantasy suite during The Bachelor, but honestly, I feel like this is a conversation for a whole other time, but it did not go. as I had planned. When you were on Colton season, yeah. Did Colton just have a fantasy suite with you?

Or did he have one with both you and Hannah? And then Cassie was last and that's when she removed herself. No, I was the only fantasy suite with Colton Underwood. That's wild. Yeah. So I was the first one to go. And then honestly, it was a really cool day. You went to the edge of the world in Portugal, which was phenomenal.

And went on a helicopter ride. That was really fun. And then we had like this like romantic dinner thing, kind of romantic sweet where absolutely nothing happened. It wasn't that romantic. What happened the very next day was that he was supposed to go on his date with Hannah. But he actually ended up coming to me, breaking up with me,

going to Hannah, breaking up with Hannah, and going straight to Cassie and Cassie broke up with him. I forgot. That's how it all went down. Yeah. Damn. Yeah.

I have so many questions. I don't know if you do. Honestly, so do I. Well, okay. I'm just going to ask this because, yeah, I don't know if it was in his book, which I haven't read or on his show, which I haven't seen. Me neither. Obviously, everyone in Bad Shornation talks.

Like he had said, you know, he went in that night with you, kept his sweatpants, sweatshirt on. You guys talked and that was really. And I think he said he like felt. bad or something like felt very bad for me yeah so what was your take like was that the case or in your experience was did something more happen first of all i think it's extremely rude um i mean don't make me seem like this like pity case like he felt so bad for me anyway i'm not the only person you should be feeling bad for there was other women that were trying to fall in love

with you and really putting their hearts out on the line. So if you feel bad for me in that regard, then sure. But no, Colton Underwood did actually not sleep in sweats and a sweatshirt that night in case everybody that's wondering. Everyone got your teacups right now. This has been said multiple times. It's been said in his book. It's been said on television.

It's been said in his show, apparently. He actually slept in boxers that night because it was so hot in Portugal. I remember because the door was wide open and it was raining outside and it was just like we were trying to get air ventilation and so hot and sticky. So there's actually no way

he would have been in sweats and a sweatshirt. Why lie about that? I don't know. I don't know and it honestly makes me so sad because it's just like at the end of the day we did have really good conversations and I thought that like we were like we ended on a good page. I don't think there's like any, you know, ill will

or there's nothing that like happened for us to like not even be friends. So for you to make up this like elaborate story that like you slept on the other side of the bed and like you had to sleep with sweats and a sweatshirt on because you didn't want me to think, like you felt so bad and you didn't want me to think that anything was going to happen. Like it's just I don't know what you're trying to cover and I don't know why you're dragging me down for something that's not, it was not something that's not even true. like it's absolutely not true yeah i mean i have no reasonable i why the hell i lie some people really care care about that image you know well okay so let me ask you this going through that

and knowing he put you through fantasy suites you know you had your sleep over slumber party and then next day he breaks up with you breaks up with hannah you obviously saw how everything else transpired after that then when you went into fantasy suites were you very cognizant of of how you wanted to come off to your three men in a way that Colton didn't come off to you and make you think something different. I think what I learned from my first fantasy experience is that you can really ask a lot of questions

and really get to know. You can really ask a lot of questions and really get to know the other person and not have anything else happen. So I think that's what I was most looking forward to. And I think that that's why my approach when I was a bachelor's just to honestly kind of like let them be and see what happens and I think that I learned a lot from

the guys in that situation. I think like if you kind of just, you know, let someone like kind of like just talk and like let it all out. And when the cameras are not there, you, you learn a lot more if you pay attention. Totally. It's a little thing. Yeah. And you just get the vibe like, okay, let's be honest, we've all woken up next to somebody at some point or, you know, you like think you know somebody if you're dating somebody and then you finally have those like the first intimate moments or when you're overnight and then you're like oh i thought like this doesn't go a totally different way or you seem like a whole different person or you have like this idea in your head and it doesn't always turn out to be that way who was the most i'm going to just get kind of dirty right now

out of the three guys that you had fantasy suits with who was the most uh awkward the next morning oh 1,000 percent ivan really well because you said to hold that week right so i don't I had was Ivan and Brandon and I or Brandon broke up with me before Fantasy Suite and then I had it with Zach. That's right. Okay. Ivan and I just, yeah, it was, I just remember it being really awkward in the morning. And I think it's just because I had like learned a lot of things and I had like been real. Like I don't know what the, like, if the future is like a possibility. And so I think that that kind of like shook him up a little bit. But I had to be honest, you know, in that situation.

And it was very awkward. I remember like us just sitting there picking the fruit and being like, what the hell is happening? Did he feel that too? Like did he express that as well? Um, no. I think like he was just, I don't know. There was just a lot of conversation that took place that night.

And I think for him, it wasn't as big of a deal. But for me, like some things were a big deal. And that's okay. That's perfectly fine. Yeah. So I don't think we're both really good at like pretending. So we were both like, all right, I'll talk to you later. It's such a bizarre world when you get so used to constantly being around so many people, right?

Like you're dating 30 guys on these group dates. You have your team that plans the dates that are around you. And so when you have that all removed and it's quiet and then there's no distractions, at first you're kind of like, um like where's my mom where's my family what's happening it's such an art transition and honestly don't get me wrong i mean's a great guy he's really nice but i i will say that there's just like again we use fantasies for what they're for to get to know each other wait i want to know about you which one was awkward for you the next morning did you have an awkward one um well i'm trying well so i like you i only had two because i sent jason tardick was supposed to be my first fantasy suite

sent him home that night before the cameras left just because I knew like there was a moment that day where I was like I care about this guy so much and he's going to be such an incredible partner but he's just not for me. And in my mind I'm like I can't drag you into an overnight if I just know I'm not going to get there like that it didn't seem fair to me. I mean at that point again I only had two men and the weird part was like they didn't know there was only two guys left. they didn't know I had sent Jason home. So they thought, you know, and as they were having conversations

and I was watching the back, that there was three guys still. So, and I didn't want to tell them until the week before. I wanted them to just like focus on what they had to focus on. They weren't awkward though. No, I felt like I was just so ready to like get away and have like alone quiet time. And it was just like very, I want to say fun.

Like, you know, it's like it was the time where we could really like let loose and talk about whatever we wanted and like talk about the boring things that would never be shown on air like Blake and I, I think stayed up like way too late eating peanut butter or something. Yeah. But fantasy sweets, man, I tell you it's wild time. They're pretty telling. They're very telling though.

You can see like who you're extremely comfortable with and it's like really not work and it's you don't need everybody around to kind of feel like the voids and the gaps in your conversation and you see who you, you know. And you can see how clean or dirty someone is. That was very important to me. See? Like I wanted to know, are they going to throw their

boxers and socks and just leave them? Are they going to have toothpaste all over the countertop? Like, what am I working with here? What am I potentially getting into a lifetime with? Really? Okay. Yeah, I guess they're still their finest behavior though at that point, you know? Yeah, that's true. Well, let's getting to i mean we have our own experiences michelle has obviously a vastly different experience

during her fantasy suites she did indeed take all men to overnight so we started with brandon had joe in the middle and then Nate for the i was going to say for the finisher uh but um but they all i will say this they all seemed to go so well i know like really well there's and i feel like there's always like one wild card we're kind of unsure about. I think it was going to be Nate, if I would say. Yeah, they thought that it was going to be Nate where he's going to be like, no, I don't think I'm ready, but it was actually not the case. So, so let's start from the beginning.

Let's start from the beginning. Yeah, yeah. So let's get into it. So we started with Brandon. Yeah. They did a cute little horseback ride on the beach. Did you fast forward to Joe's though? Did you notice when they were feeding the horses?

I was like, are these the horses that she rode with Brandon? oh do you think they reuse the same horsies like oh they're here might as well you know they did they probably had to have and they had to have which I never put that together so I guess at this point I'm just so used to like quarantine bachelor at and bachelor is very different than normal bachelor's Becca we're doing the best we can Becca Willie had two horses wait let me ask you this what because they they did this on your season what okay back in the day like during my season and previous seasons they would during this week they would split everyone up like after hometowns the guys don't live together they don't stay in a room together yeah i think

because of quarantine they had to do that but i just assumed for michel's because they're traveling they can get their own rooms why are they keeping the men together okay so i don't know if this is necessarily a quarantine thing or just to like make the situation awkward. Like this is the one part where I actually have no clue because the guys. Okay. So yes, I do remember on Colton season, us women were all separated. Mm-hmm. And that's usually how it goes.

But then my season, all the guys were, yeah, still in their main hub because we weren't traveling anywhere. And it was extremely awkward. And I don't know if it's like for the television aspect of it all. It's totally for the television aspect. They had the whole resort. You guys had the whole resort and you couldn't get two extra rooms

for two of the dudes. I know, I know. And it's honestly brutal to watch. How cringy was this to watch? Oh, it was just sad. It wasn't cringy. It was just like, oh, my heart. I couldn't even imagine.

If I was in that position, thank gosh, I didn't have to do it during Ari's week with the other girls. But I'd be like, I'm not doing this. I'm not sitting here. You're trying to play it cool. Yeah, it was not. good. It was not good. And you see a whole array of feelings. So you have Nate on one end who really

didn't seem to care. And then you have Brandon who's kind of spiraling, you know, think overthinking everything and Michelle's relationship with other dudes. And then you have Joe just in the middle, you know, minding his own business. But I know, but I think that that's all they're like, I don't know, defense mechanisms. I feel like Nate just like the smile because you can be uncomfortable and awkward. Brandon will kind of freak out in hyperventilate and Joe, well, it's very hard to see a lot of emotion from Joe at times. Joe is Joe. Yeah. But I have to say, I think Brandon was one of my favorite fantasy sweet dates.

Mine too. I thought it was so genuine, so cute. I think they have like such a special connection. And I think like he really surprised her. Like she seemed super like smitten with him. you know it just i will say theirs was my favorite too because it just seemed easy and like they click and the and she said this before

it's like they're becoming best friends and yeah and you can tell that it's just it's not forced there like it doesn't seem scripted in the way that they communicate with each other it just seems genuine and and like this guy is all in and i think he truly treats her like a queen and treats her with so much respect and looks at her with so much respect that I'm just like he like to me it seems just lining up all the dudes and like what they're saying and where they're at. I'm like he's the one like he just seems so wholeheartedly present and just like you're it like there's no ounce of hesitation. Probably the other guys are hesitant. It's just like he's ready for it.

I think if she was like, are you ready to get down one knee right now? He'd be like, absolutely like let's go you know he's solid he's secure he's right there's like i don't think any question that he wouldn't be ready for an engagement and a marriage and a full lifetime together like he's all in brandon is all in so with that one i would say it was good to start with him because he is so solid he's such a front runner like you really have to i would say start fantasy sweet week on a really high note like the foundation is there and then it gets a little rocky we see Joe who I think this is the loudest we've ever seen him like the most exuberant we've ever seen Joe through the zip line on you know on this jungle picnic um I thought that was cute though it was

really cute like him screaming it was still even like such a good a quiet scream he was like oh Joe's loudest is probably my quietest seriously oh man But there's something about Joe that I'm still missing. And I was trying to think about it more or less as I'm watching. And I think Joe has a tendency to, I think if Michelle asks him a question or wants to get to know him, you know, obviously on a deeper level, he has a tendency to just kind of repeat what she's saying.

So she'll ask. And not answer. And just kind of give her this like very vague validation of like, what she's asking, and then he'll just kind of repeat it in a different way with the same words and be like, it just, it's interesting. I don't see much of like his own personality or thoughts or communication. And maybe that's just him. And I'm not knocking him.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing. But for me, I would need more. And I will say this. Like I've been in relationships kind of like that in the past. Like I also will say I was in a relationship with somebody on my season that was similar to that where for the long time i was like i need more i need more it's kind of like clean teeth like give me something right and maybe when they were finally alone in the fancy suites she saw that and she got that from him i'm not sure because you know we weren't privy to that but i would hope that that

was the case what's interesting is i think joe is a phenomenal man like i think he's super kind very sweet. I think that he does have a really big heart and like could be that amazing partner for her. But I do think that Michelle is just a little bit more quirky and bubbly and, you know, has that side to her that she likes to play off of. And I, I don't necessarily see that when I watch them two together. I see more of like the more serious like calm side of her, you know? But with the other guys, it's like, a totally different side of her. bubbly infectious.

And I feel like she's not that she brings herself down, but she just, I think contains like her enthusiasm for life a bit more when she's with him. And I'll tell you, I have been in a relationship that's like that. And it's difficult. It's difficult to be with someone when, at the end of the day, that's you. And not shining through and being authentic in that regard, it's going to compromise something in some way, shape, or form.

Like, you're not going to be your true self. And so, I don't know, it's going to come out at some point. I'm not saying that that's going to happen with Michelle and Joe. I'm just saying, like, you want to be able to be your silliest, your, like, most serious, you know, cry and, you know, laugh, whatever. Do all of the things, feel all of the things with your person. Totally. But one thing I do want to ask you, because I feel like, you know,

we've kept a couple of seasons now, do you think that introverts can be, be successful on this show, or do they have to just be, I wouldn't say just an extrovert, but like overly silly and talkative and show emotion and be able to like feed all aspects of your personality? No, I wouldn't say you have to be an extrovert to be successful on the show. I mean, Exhibit A with Joe, he is now final three of Michelle's season and he is very much an introvert um and like taking it back to my time on the bachelor i mean the last four girls we were all vastly different but loren was who ari ended up with and she was i would say an introvert

she was much more quiet like yeah we had very loud personalities on the season that you know took up a lot of the screen time but loren was there till the end and she was always more quiet very kind, sweet, not a loud, crazy, rambunctious person. And, I mean, she was very successful. So I wouldn't necessarily say that can make or break somebody on a season. I just think given the history, extroverts, people who are much more loud and outspoken, just typically get more airtime. But it's all dependent upon what the lead is looking for. Like if the lead is getting enough from somebody who is more quiet and introverted and they're getting their questions answered and feeling like they can actually see a future with them, then, I mean, I get it.

Like, I understand. I don't always, like, gravitate towards, like, the loudest, most wild guy in the room. Yeah. So. Same. I mean, I definitely think, like, even going back to my season on The Bachelor, like, Cassie and Hannah weren't, like, the loudest girls in the room either. there are much bigger personalities. But I do think that like they can be introverts,

but it depends like how you are with the person like, you know, like if you're like silly and giggly and all that kind of stuff, you don't have to make some allowed person. So no. I think that introverts can be successful actually. Well, and it's all about communication. It's like just because you don't,

like somebody doesn't appreciate being in a massive group setting and displaying all everything for people to see. Like if you're still communicating well, and who you genuinely are to the person. Like, again, that's all that matters. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, Joe, very, and I would say this,

Brandon, too, doesn't seem, I wouldn't call him an introvert, but I don't think he's like loud, wild, crazy, by any of me, either. I think he feels comfortable when it's with Michelle, when it's just the two of them, where he, that she pulls it out of him more, but he, when he was in group settings on the group dates,

like he was never one in the first couple episodes, when there was many meant to really stand out a ton. Right. I mean, and Nate, too. He's actually really not that loud of a human. I feel like he's kind of like always sitting there chilling. You know what I mean? Which leads us to his fantasy suite.

Absolutely. Straight, chilling the whole way through. As I was watching him, I was like, oh, buddy, they're going to want something from you. You've got to give something more. You can't just keep saying you don't care and it's easy for you because, you got it like you got to feel something um digging deep here yeah yeah so i will say i definitely see a different type of michelle when she's with him like i feel like she's i don't know i feel like she's head over heels for him to be honest i feel like she's extremely happy and she feels really

comfortable she just has like a different spark in her eye and so i think your fantasy suit was really cute um oh yeah she's very high over heels yeah but i agree with you like i want nate to kind of well i don't know so i'm there's two parts of this you know we kind of just touched on how leading up to his date with her and his fantasy suite with her he was he was just chilling he's like i'm not going to think about her with other guys i'm not going to let that affect me which i understand that thinking right i totally get that you you want to zone in on your time, your relationship with that person.

You don't want any distractions. But at the same time, you can still have feelings and it can still affect you. In a way. I'm not saying you have to like. Be pissed and angry and like. And projected to the world.

And yell at them. But something. Like it's not. I just wanted some more emotion from him. Like I was, I will say this. Like it just seemed like he was kind of sitting back like smirking the entire time like, oh, I got this, I got this, I'm good, which maybe he does.

Maybe because again, like we can all see it, she is very drawn to him. She is very into Nate and he knows that. But two, I don't want him to think like it's smooth ceiling and he can just downplay what she's feeling with these other guys because she clearly had great overnights with both Brandon and Joe before him. Yeah. But the thing that really stuck up to me that. I'm nervous for in, you know, the coming week because we obviously know that she keeps him until

the finale is, he said that he has never been in love. And to me personally, that would be a huge red flag. And I'm not saying just because somebody's never been in love, you can't be in a relationship and you can't feel all these things and like, you know, be all in and be invested because I truly think Nate is with Michelle. But I also just from experience, think that your history and your past relationships kind of form who you're going to be in the future and how you want to be as a partner and how you want your partner to be. And if he's never been in love and hasn't had that, how does he think he's going to get engaged and like have a lasting relationship for a lifetime? And that's where I'm nervous for Michelle and a little hesitant on just Nate right

now. I will say that. That. And also I think what made me nervous was the fuck that she was talking about his stepdad basically saying that he can also put up a wall at some point. Like you said, because he hasn't experienced any of this before. That is very, it's a little scary because I don't really find Michelle to be the person that would put herself in a situation like that, if that's a possibility. I think she's very much so analyzes, you know, what could go wrong, what are the positives, the negatives, you know what this could mean to her. And I think she's very self-aware.

And I think that she would say, okay, then I'm not putting myself in the situation to get hurt. And I think that that's definitely a possibility. And I wonder, it's funny though, because Nate didn't even say like, oh, I don't know why he would say that or, like, he didn't try to like rebuttal it, really. Right.

He was just kind of like, yeah. And just kind of like went along with it. And so I don't know. And she was just asking, like being in love is one thing falling in love is another thing and getting engaged is another thing like which one are you ready for and he's like all three i just wanted him to be like michel i am falling in love with you michel i am in love with you and like let's freaking go you know he's like i'm down for all three and i was like god nay just like give me something that like

makes you feel like yeah i just it's i don't know i don't think he would hurt her but i just don't know Well, and I have to trust Michelle, just knowing her, she has such a good head of her shoulders. She's, she's very logical. She's very grounded, even though, you know, she's the lead of this show. So I have to trust her. But I just, you know, and it's easy for me to say now going through it and being a viewer. Like, it's easy for all of us to pick apart every little thing, you know. And I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to downplay their relationship because I think what they have

is truly beautiful. I think that they both really are falling and do love each other. I just, I would be remiss to not bring that part up because even with Matt James, when he was The Bachelor, it was the same thing. I remember him specifically saying when he was the lead, he's never really been in love. And yes, he's been in relationships, but he's never felt that real true lasting love, hence why he became The Bachelor. But, you know, I couldn't call him out on that season and not say something about this.

I think I think my holdup is you know you can not be in you can have never been in love and now you can be in love with this woman but as Michelle said an engagement is a totally different thing thing and that's where and maybe I'm just basing it upon my own experience and history and kind of knowing each relationship really shapes you to who you are and who you want to be and who you need in a partner and you learn that just through life through experience through different relationships through being in love and getting heartbroken. And if he's never experienced those things, it's hard for me to see the extreme of him getting engaged at the end of this and like actually forming this relationship that

will lead to marriage. And I'm sure children down the line in a future and anniversary's and, you know, to have it be lasting. I mean, look, I will say this. I feel like maybe there. this could be, like, based off of, like, you know, him growing up and not saying, I love you and his family and his household. Like, maybe he doesn't know how to express his feelings as much as, like,

we may be able to or, like, we would want him to. But I do feel like there is, like, some type of, like, underlying, like, solid connection there. And, like, I think that's undeniable. Like, you can definitely see that. I just want Nate to... I don't know, really be able to be honest with Michelle and say, like, look, I'm still learning. I might fuck up, but, like, I'm willing to do this with you, especially because he hasn't been in love before. And I think that that's, like, what my concern would be.

But I feel like if there's going to be anybody to actually challenge him and really want the most from him and it's going to push him to be the better person, it's going to be Michelle. I mean, she's a phenomenal person. and you can see the way that she does it with such grace and patience and kindness. And she really does try to bring out the best in every single man. I think that she's going to be a phenomenal partner to him if they end up together. Yeah. And just knowing, I mean, we both know because we've lived through it, knowing how much things can change when the cameras aren't around.

And I'm sure she asked way more questions than we will ever be able to know. Way more. And again, going back to how I trust her and her judgment, I just, you know, place that in her and that she did get there that night and there's so many moments that we will never see that should stay between them those two that should say between those to you know to get to the next I mean well I will say this next week but then what could potentially be from there on out which is is the engagement are you surprised I mean because now taking it to the end you were at the row ceremony are you surprised by two things are you surprised are you

surprised that Brandon pulled Michelle that night and that she ended up sending Joe home. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because, again, we didn't really watch the dates as they were going on. And so we would check in with her randomly. And I'm sorry, but Joe has always been like a person that was on Michelle's radar. And Brandon kind of, as you guys like have seen, like kind of came out of nowhere and like really surprised her. I was so shocked

when Brandon took her to talk because at that point we're like standing in the wings we're like ready to like go out there and like so what we got to say and you kind of like forget that things might not go

as planned and when he grabbed her it's like okay this could go one of two ways he's leaving or he's gonna I don't know propose to right there. I don't know. There's a million things actually, not two ways. There's a million

things that could happen in this situation. And so we were just very concerned for her. And so we actually talked to her right after Brandon had spoken to her, but they didn't air that. And she was just really shaken up by it, to be honest, because she was like, that conversation right there just made me more confused than anything. And like, I was already really confused before coming into this. And I have to say that it just validated that even though Brandon might be like kind of young, like it's a very special bond that they have. And he is going to be there for her at the end of the day no matter what.

And I think that that's really the reassurance she needed. And I definitely think it had a part in Brandon staying that night. I definitely think it did. I mean, obviously the night. I do because I'm telling you like there is she even said to Joe on their fantasy suite like like I cook breakfast next time and he's like so there's going to be another morning and she's like well yeah like and she even said I could see Joe be my soulmate didn't she say that that is a good point yes you are not wrong I think oh that is after Brandon's fantasy suite date because I was I was thinking about. that about how brand it was very confusing when he pulled her because he didn't really have anything like i thought he was going to go to her and be like oh well nate was acting like this this week or whatever he really just was supportive of like you're my best friend i'm here for you

no matter what great sentiment it just seemed that weird timing to me so i'm thinking about that i'm like did that have a hand in her ultimately sending joe home but then just going back usually i know it's always very confusing and it's never easy going into those rows ceremonies, especially when it's dwindling down to have to send anyone home. But usually you have an idea. Like, you know that day, here's where my heart is. Here's what I'm feeling. Here's who has to leave. Yeah. So I can't imagine his, you know, five minute conversation. Brandon's five minute conversation with her really swaying her that much because if she went in that day knowing, oh, it's going to be Joe and Nate, She would have kept Joe.

I don't think it would have changed anything. So that's why I think it was still going to be Brandon and Nate. But it just, after he did it, I was like, okay, well, this shit really solidifies Joe going home now because you can't send Brandon home after he said that. I know. People would be so mad. I'm not going to lie. I think Nate was for sure. I always going to rose.

But I do have to say it's always been between Brandon and Joe. I think she even said, like, this is. the toughest decision my stomach isn't not. It's like I don't even know what I'm doing. And so you know,

it's like in that situation you're like God, give me a sign that this is the person or give me a sign that like I'm making a decision or give me a sign

who I should pick. Like I think like if I were Michelle in that situation and I was truthfully on the bench with both of them I would have considered that my sign

and I probably would have sent Joe home and taken Brandon. Well, and, And it's, I mean, you kind of know the ins and the outs of the show. It's, it's hard to justify, I mean, because I think she felt very strongly for both Brandon and Joe, but it's hard to justify sending someone like Brandon home who has been very explicit

in how he feels constantly, has been so open, very communicative versus Joe who you don't quite get that much. It's hard to justify. To peel back the layers. Yeah. keeping that relationship unless you can really argue the why behind it because we know the backlash and we know what is in headlines each week and we know what people are saying on social media and all of that like it's hard it would be hard unless you're so gung-ho about somebody like

Joe to keep him yeah I don't know I don't know I mean that's my two sense I don't know I feel like that confirmation from Brandon really was just kind of to like, that's what I'm looking for. It's going to be interesting next week. Because Nate and Brandon are so different that, and she feels, I mean, she's told both of them now that she's falling in love with them. So it's not like there's one where she's only said to one and the other one is kind of like.

Yeah, yeah, it's not where it's like, oh, a done deal. We already know it's going to be someone like she is, she's been very vocal in her feelings for both of these men. So I have no idea what the hell is going to happen. But also, too, her family is going to be coming. Brandon's already met the family. Nate's never met the family. It'll be interesting to see how her family receives Nate after meeting Brandon now twice.

It's just, I am in for a treat. I know you know what goes down. Do not tell me anything. I'm going to be sitting on the edge of my seat, I think. I'm so nervous. I don't know why I'm nervous right now. Look, I'm trying to put on my peasant. poker face right now. I'm not giving anything

away, but I'm going to tell you right now buckle up. I feel like people say this every season and I'm like, what more could happen? Like, but don't you feel... Isn't your jaw on the floor every time, though? Like, something always happens

to you're like, wait, what just happened? Like, I feel like that happened with Claire's season, then my season, Katie's season. Yeah. Like, it just happens. continuously and like it's never something you could have ever imagined so this is like gray's anatomy where every week i'm like they can't top last week's episode they can't top last season and then they somehow do and i will say we don't give enough props to everyone behind the scenes so kudos to

you all i am i am very much looking forward to next week i just again i love michel i know you do we respect the hell out of that woman and i just want her to find love and just find her life partner who really, I think, just matches her and builds her up and she can do the same. So I can't wait to see what goes down. Michelle, you know, where I was ruined for you, you're almost to the end. It would be the fun part. I know it sucks to be in hiding and have to keep everything secret. So I'm just, I'm ready for her to just be able to shout it from the rooftops.

Whoa. Wait, can I do one thing? Can I just say some positive things about Nakes? I feel like I just shit talking the whole time. I mean, we, we had him on our first episode this season. and I liked him he I love Nate's personality he was very charismatic and I think also too just talking to most of the men each week and having the guests on they all have nothing but good things to also say about Nate so I will say like I don't want to rag on him and just say because you

know everybody in love you can't do this like I'm not saying that at all absolutely no absolutely I'm sure he's a great guy and if our guy Rodney is best friends with Nate he has to be a good a friend in us. Yeah. Absolutely. No, he's definitely a good guy. And I feel like, um, I do really appreciate that he keeps trying to dig in deep and trying to be open and vulnerable with Michelle.

And I think that again, Michelle is such an intelligent individual that she would not be letting some guy that's like giving her the bare minimum being her top three guys. It's just not actually possible. And he makes, and he makes her baby happy and that's all that matters. That's all that matters. Um, all right. Well, yeah. stay tuned for next week, of course, after the final rose is happening. Tasha,

I can't wait to see you and Caitlin crush it once again. Tisha, that was so much fun. I do love having guests, but I also do love having every few episodes where it's just us where we can chit chat, spill the TV. Talk about things that I'm sure people have been dying to know in fantasy suites. I mean, I know everybody thinks it's like some naughty things that happen back there, but I'm telling you right now, you learn a lot about these people behind closed doors. And there's a lot more to it. We're trying to look for engagements here, people.

It's game-changing. It is such a game-changing week. I mean, especially after coming from meeting the families, it's the most important time, truly the most important time that you can spend with somebody. So there we have it. I can't believe Michelle crushed and Michelle banged out the fantasy suite. Oh, my God.

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