Bachelor Happy Hour - Behind the Scenes of ‘The Bachelorette’ | Happy Hour

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

Today on “Happy Hour,” Charity and Rachel are back to finish what we started: giving you all the behind-the-scenes tea from their seasons of “The Bachelorette”! We kick things off with a girl chat, catching up on everything that went down this weekend. Then, we dive right into our “Never Did I Ever” questions, and we are spilling left and right. Who did they regret sending home? How did their opinions change after watching the show back? Did they ever feel like they were in trouble with producers? Plus, we’re ending today’s episode by answering some of your questions! We're telling our deepest secrets and they are juicy. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. It is your host, Charity. And I'm Rachel. And we are so excited. Charity, this has been crazy. The amount of support we have gotten is just so overwhelming.

I'm so excited, but I also feel like they have no idea how unhinged this is about to become. No, literally. Like, I mean, I think you said it best. It's like actually chaos. Like it is, it's coming in. It's coming in hot. It truly is.

I am so excited for this episode especially because last time we were giving some juicy behind the scenes tea about our seasons and we're going to continue it today. But before, what did you get up to this weekend? What have you been doing? Honestly. Let me tell you something about this 2026. Tell me. I am on like a full wellness journey.

I don't think anyone actually understands. I have, I have no other choice but to turn my wife around. Okay. I ended last year in a great place, but I'm like, I need to like expand upon that. So like me and Dotten, we like, the first thing we did when we got back, we like deep cleaned our entire. So Vegas didn't count. It wasn't part of the, the wellness for like socializing. Correct.

And, you know, there is a, there is a healthy balance. So I call it the 80-20 rule. So that was a 20% even though that was like 100% capacity in Vegas. But here we are. We're back in New York City. And I have to keep going. I have to go back to the baseline. What have you been doing?

No, we just been like, I don't know, just like, I mean, I'm working out every day. Like, you don't understand 10K steps a day is the goal. Like, Rachel, your mouth is open. Well, everyone knows I do not work out. I know. I famously don't go to the gym. And it's crazy because I'm like, I only know that because. of the whole thing with you and Clayton. Isn't that insane how I know that? And you know what's even

funnier this year? I was like, you know what? I should get an Equinox membership just so I can meet Ben at Equinox. And my friends were like, Rachel, you literally can't. Like after you doubled down so hard about the gym, you cannot go to the gym. No, you actually can though, because you're like, you can do Pilates there. Like, no, that's actually genius. You actually should. Like, I'm telling you some of the best, best of the best. I need to meet someone in person. So that's my goal this year. to meet someone in real life and not on a dating show. That's where they need to start casting for the show. Pull from Equinox because those men at least have that part of their life in order, okay?

So anyway, they look good and that's all that matters to me. So beyond that, have you been watching Tell Me Lies? Okay, I'm like, I'm ashamed because I literally just went to the premiere this past week. And I met. And you need to tell me how that was. It was insane. First of all, I'm like, they're all beautiful humans, like gorgeous. Oh, I was, I was shook.

And she's actually, like, really tall. I mean, I'm short, but I was like, oh, my God, this is a queen, like, queen. I can't look at her on screen. And the girl who plays Bree beyond stunning. They're all stunning. Like, they were also just very nice, too, which I feel like that's always, like, a hit or miss when you meet or have the opportunity to meet a cast. But, like, very social. Like, Dotten, like, got, like, two of their numbers.

I'm like, okay, are we about to like go to dinner with you guys? Like, what's next? No, I'm like, I'm excited. Wait, did they tell you any tea about this season? Um, not yet, but I'm like, hopefully that's in the work. So I will, don't worry, that's why I got a microphone now. We'll be, we'll be talking about it. I, well, first of all, I haven't watched it yet.

I was going to watch it last night. I know. I literally started half of episode one and I fell asleep. I'm so sorry. I will do it tonight. I promise. Because we need to debrief. No, we actually will.

No way. I am so traumatized. by this man. No, Stephen is insane. I don't know how they capture every single girl's college boyfriend so well in this show. And that's what makes it so hard to watch back. No, same. Literally same.

I'm like, no, he is literally all I dated in college. This is it. Like, that was the type to a T. I don't know how we all did it. But I think if I saw that man in person, I would be afraid of him. Oh, you would. And there's a part of him that's like, it's a, like, You're afraid, but obviously I'm like with loose.

Like, there's a reason why we, we keep going back. You know, like, he had, I don't even know. I really don't because I'm like, in my current lifetime, I would never see him again. Like, actually never. But in the past, oh, I would have, listen, we would have been spinning the block like it was no tomorrow. There's nothing I love more than spinning the block. So I know. I was like this.

He's like, I'm sorry. Like, he's perfect. Rearrange. Your type to a T. No, genuinely, you guys have no idea. He is my college boyfriend. How quick did you watch the episodes? Because I want to know if I can get through them.

Like, I know I will, but like all tonight. I got through all three. The first side of came out. I couldn't stop. And now I have to wait like a week. And I hate when Hulu does that. Like just drop it all at once. I'm like, I kind of want to just like put.

I'm trying to like push it close. So I don't have like such a long period in between. But. Okay. Well, that's like my homework for tonight. Don't worry. I'm sat and ready. And that's absolutely all I got into this weekend. So we can jump right into our questions.

Perfect. I feel like these are the juicy ones. Yeah, they're getting into the guy. I know. I was like it. We were playing a little safe and now we're going to get into the good ones. So I'm going to give y'all what I want to hear. Never did I ever regret giving someone a rose.

Oh, I have. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. I have one that keeps me up at night. And it's not even the one that people think. Can I guess? Yeah, you can guess. Okay, wait.

Is it someone in your final four? Yes. Okay, and you said it's not the one people think. So I feel like people think it's that. No, see, I think people would think it's Tino. Oh. So is it Zach? I don't know.

I can't say. Yes, you can't. I need it. need it. I, and you know what, it's not even the reason that people think. I think I regret giving a rose just because I wish I could have protected this person more and not put them through what they went through. Okay, okay, okay. And that's what I will say. So now charity. Okay. No, that makes, that makes sense. Um, shall we start from day one? Because I could take it from day one all the way to the last week if you want me to. What's your juiciest rose? I regret. I feel like the obvious.

one. Ooh, I don't really care. I'm getting married this week. I don't. I mean, not this week. Oh, my God. Charity! She's eloping.

You heard it your first. Bachelor happy hour exclusive. I'm so sorry. I'm getting married this year, so it doesn't matter. Yeah. So the obvious, I think, again, we talked about it on the first episode, Braden, should have snatched the rose back. I think, yeah, I think Aaron B a little bit, I should have never, like, I think when I went

back, that was, like, such a big, like, mistake. I don't want to say mistakes. The grand gestures are huge in that environment. I, let me tell you something about a grand gesture because I was not prepared. That was not a grand gesture. My favorite scene ever. Me having acid refloat laid out on a chair. It was pure.

I wish everyone understood what was really going on. I had the most acid reflux I've ever had in my life. I could not stop burping indigestion. Couldn't find him in Beijing. I was like, why is this man here? And then I'm like, wait. I'm excited. I think I'm like, I couldn't even tell you what I felt.

So that in itself, yes, I regret maybe keeping that for a few more hours. And you know what? He's in a relationship. You're getting married. Let me tell you something. We are all moving on with our lives. We're all moving on. And I love that.

I love it. Absolutely. Okay. Let's do the next one. Never did I ever regret sending someone home. Mm-hmm. I have one. Oh, oh, I do.

Oh, my God. Wait, I love mine, actually. Wait, I want to hear yours first. Okay. Mine is, which I feel like he, oh, he just did not get enough screen time. But when I say this man is literally the definition of a good Samaritan, like, truly, like, a disciple. A disciple. It is literally, it's literally Josh.

I don't know if you guys remember him. Who's Josh? He went home, like, I think week two. He is literally an angel. And what does he look like? I'm like, I can't even think of his last name. I don't even know my last name. He is like, he's mixed.

Yeah. What's the name? Someone held. What is his last name? I'm looking at his last name. It's Josh. Should I follow him? Right now.

I feel like I know who we're talking about, but I'm not a hundred percent of her. Was he on your date? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Josh Young. The one that Gabby and Rachel hosted. Yes. No. No, I'm telling you who's an angel.

He was there. He had to watch. Okay. I don't remember him. All I remember is John Henry's tongue ring and Joey. That's enough. That's all I remember from that date. Stop the madness. I also think me and Gabby had like seven glasses of champagne before.

No, y'all are one. I was trying to match the energy. And I was like, I can't keep up. These are two icons. I haven't gotten there yet. Literally, that was crazy that that was allowed. Okay, wait, producer timing in justice for Josh. he was.

I don't know. He did. I have to talk about this. This is. Okay. Let's also talk about it. Harvard grad students. No.

You set home a Harvard grad. We won't talk about it, but we'll talk about it here. No, I know, Rachel, when I say one thing I am grateful for is like, out of all people, like, obviously, Dotten is like close to a lot of the guys from the cast. They have such all great healthy relationships. But he is the one person that I'm like, this man, keep him in your corner. forever. And he's like also just like good friends with my my brother. Like he is an angel. This man does no wrong. The things he advocates for. He like worked for like public like housing like trying to help

like no, I'm telling you a Harvard grad. He's the perfect bachelor contestant and should have went to paradise. Should we push for him? Um, I don't know. I'm like he's too good for paradise. I mean that in the most respectful way. I'm like, Rachel, you should, you should, you should I'll sign in. I'll honestly. We'll do that. He's an angel. wait, Josh, we love that. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay, let's hear yours.

Mine, I've already like, I feel like been on record was my first one-on-one with Jordan B. And I set it home. And we obviously had like our re, like reuniting in Paradise moment. And I said this, but I just feel like at the time, like that first one-on-one, it was so different from my one-on-one on The Bachelor. and it just felt like it wasn't like flowing the same. So I was like, okay, well, obviously there's nothing there's nothing there. But I think he was just nervous. I didn't know what to do.

And then looking back, I'm like, I feel bad. I didn't like let him have like see it through to the end or like, you know, a little bit more time. No, I relate. And like I took that whole experience away from him. And I think that like, I mean, obviously like we don't know, rewriting history a little bit. But like if you did keep him, do you think that he would have like had potential?

like knowing what you maybe know now. I will literally never know. I know because he literally probably hates me. I feel like I ruined. I ruined Badtrat and Paradise for this poor man. He's an angel. He's an angel. He's an angel.

So justice for doing really. Yeah, maybe we'll put him and Josh. Like we'll put their, put their names in the hat. But I also think that they're just both too good. Yes. I think they both should go. I'm going to root for that.

Yeah. As we head into 2026, it's safe to say that 2025 was a year like no other. So much news, so much disruption. And yes, so much division. That's why we're wrapping up this season of next question with a look back at everything that's happened. Things are coming at us with such a velocity. We thought it was important to take a moment, connect the dots, and explore what it all means. We're summing up the first year of Trump's second term with David Graham on Project 2025

and how many of the goals have been implemented. Richard Haas on foreign policy and the changing world order. Jessica Valenti on reproductive rights and the terrifying consequences of abortion bans. Tina Brown on the year's scandals here and across the pond. The president has upended everything from pardons to the press, so we're covering it all. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Never did I ever change my mind about someone at the last minute. Yes.

No. Minus, I mean, I kind of already answered it, like Aaron B. That was like, oh, my God, he's here. Like, what am I going to do now? Say no, like in the moment. I could have, but it just, I think I was just, I was confusion. So I didn't know. So maybe that.

But, yeah, I don't think. I think I was pretty confident. towards the end, like, about the guys, like, who I wanted to keep. Yeah. Since we have answered Aaron B or said his name twice at this point, I think we should pause a little bit and talk about how he's dating Medina from Joey's season. I didn't see that coming. Did you see it coming in paradise?

No, I was like, when did this happen? I'm over here asking Don. I'm like, spill the tea right now. I'm like, what's going on? Has this been blown up in the boys group chat? Like, what's happening? Right. And I actually saw them at the Golden after the final road sitting next week.

What was the guys? Very lovey-dovey. I actually, I never met her and I love her. Like she was so sweet. They were like holding hands kept to themselves the whole time. He is very like reserved. So I can kind of see that. But I don't really know her that like I haven't hung out with her.

So I don't really. Yeah. That was the first time I met her. And it's funny because I was in paradise with Aaron and I still don't remember him. Like I don't feel like he just is reserved. Like, no, it's Louis. He does his own thing. Yes, yes.

Okay, well, I love that. I know. I always love adding another little. I do too. I'm like, maybe we should have them on. Yeah, was it the DMs or like how, I always am so interested how these things happen outside. Let me tell you, it definitely was, do you think, like, respectfully, like, any boy in this space has the capacity to be like, they're not doing anything in the wild. No, they love the DM.

It's the DMs for sure. So. That's for the real, like. is that's what we should have a show on i'm like unleash the dms everybody no imagine a documentary i can't even talk on it please i'm screaming no and we're so happy for that let's get them on please come on our podcast slide into our dms yeah let us know when you want to come we're here we're available yes okay love that for them cute cute cute um okay answers I did. Your turn. Oh, oh. I feel like it's the same thing. Change my mind, like probably Jordan,

but even at the time, it's like, what was I going to do? Like, that was. Yeah. My season had so much happening every single day that was like traumatizing that I feel like I just had it like one more day, one more day. I actually like, yeah. For you, I'm like, you just had to, you had to stay aflo, which is a different. I just had to survive. But like yours was a different level. Like, true. Truly. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Never did I ever struggle to stay fully present on a date. Actually, I'm like, do you have one? I'm like, am I allowed to answer this? Am I allowed to be as like transparent? No, I don't know. Answer it. Okay. So when it says fully present, it wasn't that I was like distracted. I just was having some, let's just say health issues. Let me not even say that.

That's actually crazy. I literally was so, like, not present in my mind of, like, having too much, like, champagne and, you know, fluids that I literally could not finish a conversation. It was specifically with John B. I was like, dude. No, no. Doesn't he not even drink? No, exactly.

He had water. I was like, he was like, do you want any? He was being obviously. Is John B still single? No way. No, he is. We'll get to that in just a second. Okay.

Right now on the Barbie group date. I had a conversation with him and in mid-sentence, he was just going on. He was spilling his heart about something. And I was like, dude, I was about to throw up on his leg. I was like, okay, wait a minute. I was like, somebody has to like tap in. And I'm over here flashing like, I'm in the back. I'm like, hello.

You're doing your signal. And he's like, no, literally. And he's like, do you need anything? And I was like, actually, yes. can you go get a gender elf and he was like ginger ill he was like interesting choice i was like yeah no i'm just i need something fizzy right now i literally had to play it off because i was like what am i to tell the boys yeah i'm like belligerent from this group date but it was like the most fun group day obviously of my season but i could not have a conversation truly and yeah so that's my

answer the way i feel like we and me you and gabby are the same exact bachelorette in different bonds No, truly different font. I don't know how they picked three of us all consecutively in a row. They knew something about me. I have this weird thing, and I don't want to say weird, but this is also how the girls on my season describe me. Like, Kat describes me this way. It's like, I'm like sweet, but like I'm like a sour patch. It's like people only see like the sweet thing up front, but then it's like, now this girl is a little, little crazy firecracker inside.

And so then obviously I'm like, that didn't come. That didn't come out until the cameras were truly in, in, in deep season. And, and they're going to see it now. Well, there you go. I am literally dead. That was my favorite group date to watch. I like vividly remember Dotten's wig. No, the fact that he's, no, this man keeps it.

Like, he's still, he wears it in the bedroom. Bye. That's like his role play in the party. He is a little space nurse. So he, he, You know, he'll pull it out every now. When he takes you to space. Truly.

And that's a ride I'll get on. Hello. We're done. We're literally done too much. All right. This podcast is canceled. So good chatting with you guys. We'll see you guys next week.

So anyways. Okay. I'm trying to think, did I ever have? I don't know. I want to know the answer to this one. There's one I want to know for you. Ask me. Yeah, because I can't even, I don't remember.

Okay, never did I ever. think, oh no, I'm in trouble after a makeout. I don't know. I don't know if I thought that. I will say that makes me sad for you personally. Like it was bad or it was good. No, like it's like, oh my God, like I'm in trouble as in like, oh, I got to like keep my eyes on him. Like he's going to get me and like I want everyone to experience that feeling and you should relax. I think the what I will say is there was someone that I was like not sure about and then I kissed him and I was like, Oh, yeah. Like absolutely.

And that was Avin. Not that I was unsure about Avin, but he is so quiet. It's okay. It's okay to be unsure. Yeah. He was so like reserved and I had like no idea how he was feeling. And then I remember there was like a moment. And it took so long for it to happen and I was like.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. What about you? Was it done? Yeah.

It was literally. And I'm telling you, it's like there's a reason why they bring those hot tubs out for every single season. It was a hot tub. Let me tell you something. And I'm going to keep it so 100 with everybody on this podcast right now. Me being a African-American woman and having my hair exposed, it was raining when we were in the hot tub. I said, don't get me a hat.

Don't pull me out of this hot tub. I said, let me stay here. It was truly given the notebook, but like, I don't know, a little bit of love and basketball edition. Like, let's combine the two. I was not getting out of the hot tub. We need it in the corner. No, I was like, I'm not getting out of this.

It was like the most sensational kiss of my life. And that's when I knew. I was like, oh, Christ. I was going to say to that when you knew. I was like, I literally was like, can he, I literally asked. I said, can he spend the night? I was about to do a Caitlin Bristow. I was going to say, Caitlin Bristow, hello.

I was trying so long. Did they say no? Did you ask? I asked because my room specifically, this was when we were in Skamania. My room had a little like, I had my bed. Where is that? Bye. Bye.

We won't talk. I had a little day bed in my room and I was like, oh, it's so like, it was just very, like, granted, he probably wasn't going to fit on it, but it was just so romantic and vi-be. I was like, no, I was like, he needs to come. Like, can we just, like, take it back just for, like, a few more minutes, like, 30 more minutes. Let's just keep, like, kissing. And, yeah, obviously it didn't happen. They said, no. I'm shocked.

I am too. They will keep the mics on. No, that's, I said, listen, the cameras can come for all I care. I don't care. Making a movie. Yeah. No, I was obsessed. I was like, no, he's amazing.

So that was mine. I need to go back and watch this. I'm going to be watching that later tonight. But that's what's so crazy because I'm like the hot tub scene was like literally not even 30 seconds. I was like they needed to see more because we were making out for so long, like so long. Like my hair, it was literally a puff ball the next morning. I was like, well, I don't know when I'm going to straighten it, but I don't care. I do not care.

As a matter of fact, why don't we just end it here? truly so for me to sacrifice that that's when you knew I was in the oh my mic just fell okay next question oh my god did you ever think that you were in trouble with the producers um did I ever think I was in trouble uh no I don't think uh no I don't think so not that I can think uh I'm like oh you make it no I'm like no that that I wish that's how I'm like you're making it your face. Did you? I, well, yeah.

I always, I will own this. I feel like my season and especially me, what was I doing? Like, I feel like they were thinking that too. Like, it was just so much chaos. Like, no one had any idea what was going on. No one had, like, and this is no one's fault. Like, the two of us, it was just so hard. Yeah.

And I remember. There was like this one part. And it was like, this isn't even like producers, but it was when I was about to go on a group date. And Logan came to my room and knocked on my door. And he was like, oh, just so you know, I'm going to go date Gabby. Bye. And I was like, oh my God. I was like, I think they want me to quit.

Like I'm like, is this the part where I like, am supposed to quit? Like, what? That was your green light to have full crash out. Like, that was it. That was it. I was literally like, oh my God, I did something wrong. And they're trying to get me to leave. I'm like, because this is such good TV.

No, this makes me so sad. And that was a moment. I literally was like, you're like everything. I was like, oh, wait. I'm the way. I was like, oh, shit. And then it was just like such a, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

That day was the hardest, like, one of the hardest days. I actually think people don't give you enough of like, credit and flower your flowers like i'm giving you a bouquet i'm sending one to your house after this because the fact that all of this stuff happened to you i'm telling you rachel if someone came to my door and was like i'm not i'd have been like all right green light bed don't worry about it like i would have had every single valid crash out that could have happened in a span of three hours and it was insane because they did this to gabby as well we had this sofi like after group date like after And the men were going up to Gabby.

And they were like, I want to date Rachel because I don't like this, this and this about you. Like who? I'm sorry. Listening out. They were saying what they didn't like about us and why they wanted to date the other. And it was like me and Gabby, like we were genuinely like, what is happening here? No. They wanted you guys to like turn on each other and turn.

Like, no, that's what they wanted. They didn't want to crash out. You're right. And me and Gabby, every time we would interview, I'm like, I will leave before. I say, like, I love her. She could do no run. I will leave. And it was just like, yeah.

Thank God you guys had each other because I'm just imagining if there was any other pair of girl, please. I can't. Please. I cannot imagine. They will never do that again just because that was just like unmanageable. No. That's just, also it's just like not fair to you guys.

But anyway, that's neither here nor there. Crazy. People are going to get the real behind the scenes of me and Gabby's. I'm going to, I'm going to send you flowers because you deserve them. No, I am. This is like insane. I would actually lose my mind. I'm not kidding.

Oh, my God. And then Logan's like, we're standing at the rose. Everybody's just there. Oh, my God. Honestly, Logan, you can go home. No, actually, I'm sending you home. You're not dating. I'm like, go home.

Like, this is crazy. I'm like, oh, my God. Anyways. Next question. Let's get into the next one. Okay. I'm trying to find a good one. As we head into.

to 2026, it's safe to say that 2025 was a year like no other. So much news, so much disruption, and yes, so much division. That's why we're wrapping up this season of next question with a look back at everything that's happened. Things are coming at us with such a velocity. We thought it was important to take a moment, connect the dots, and explore what it all means. We're summing up the first year of Trump's second term with David Graham on Project. 2025 and how many of the goals have been implemented. Richard Haas on foreign policy and the changing world order, Jessica Valenti on reproductive rights and the terrifying consequences of abortion bans. Tina Brown on the year's scandals here and across the pond. The president has

upended everything from pardons to the press, so we're covering it all. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric, on the Iheart radio app. Apple podcast. or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, I like this one. Is there anything you regret watching back? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Honestly, yes.

But like I had to remind myself and I was so, like, that's the one thing I'm like, I can pat myself on the back for. It's like I was just so gracious with myself like throughout the entirety of like the experience and the journey. It's like obviously stepping into like the role itself. It's very daunting. You don't know what's going on. You don't have a blueprint even though it's like, yeah, like you ask every other other Bachelorette, like, how did this work or what did you do?

But like every single experience is so different. And like I remember like taking all that in, but like also knowing like I probably won't even realize this or like remember half this stuff in the moment. And that was the case. So like for me, something that was really, really hard. I guess watching back was like towards the end, like the Xavier situation with like the fantasy sweet dates. I'm, and I think also, like, a little bit to blame is, like, I was definitely trying to,

like, hear him out. And I think that was just, like, way too much. Like, I think I was, like, giving him an opportunity. But, like, one thing about me, and, like, if you know me, you know, I am someone that I have to have, like, as much as I can, which I know you don't always get, like, definite clarity. I need to, like, I need to hear from your mouth verbatim. What is it that you, like, I'm not, I'm not trying to decode shit.

Like, I can't do it. So it's like in that moment, I'm over here trying to give him the opportunity to explain, like, really, like, express to me. I don't know how we could have explained that. Exactly. And I was like, okay. But then it got to the point where I'm like, oh, I see where this is going. But like now I have to like kind of unfortunately for me pull back like how much grace I'm giving you. And that was like really hard to watch. And it was definitely like hard to watch with like Doughton. I think he was like, oh, cheerty. Like you're just like, you know, you're just a nice person. And I'm like, no, I am. And like I had a like, I think I had just like sympathy in my heart. But also at the same time I'm like, no, this is like crazy because I've been asking you all these details all season. And like at no point did you think. to be transparent and upfront. You saved it for right now. This is really, like, frustrating for me, but also it's like, what in this moment is making you, like, want to say all these things?

And, like, how do you feel right now? Like, you know, tonight is fantasy streets. Like, tell me, tell me, tell me. You didn't keep it for the fantasy suite. I'm shocked you didn't say what that's wrong. That's honestly thinking back. I'm like, why didn't he do that? But, like, also, that would have been, that would have probably been way worse because

I would have been, like, open up the doors. Where are the camp? Like, I would have been calling for crew. You're better than me. You're better than I should have. No, crew would have been there in a heartbeat because I would have been like, turn the cameras on. You're on your walkie-talkie. Yeah, I'm like, 10-4, copy that.

Yep. No. I'm glad it played out, but also, like, it was a little hard for me because I was like, no, I'm being too, like, sympathetic with him. I'm, like, giving him too much. And, like, I don't think he really in that moment, I think he had said already really what he wanted to say. And, like, for me, it was, like, just trying to, like, I think probably even get a different

answer, just make sure, like, that's what he really meant. I think it's also that because I was like just, I was so, I was so shook. I just couldn't believe it. So that's probably why I was like, wait, let me make sure I'm hearing this correctly. I mean, that was the hard part. The rug was getting pulled out from under you. You had already met his family. Like, by the time you're in that going into fantasy suite, it's like engagement is the next day.

Thank you. And like, for me, it's like, I have doubts. I definitely had doubts. Like that there's no news to that. But I was like, okay, like, I'm ready to see if like this week he can really just like you know we're at crunch time this is the time where you're even

you're either going to show like you want this or you don't and like obviously the opportunity presented for him to say no I don't want this and I'm like great me either back like actually it was done weeks ago in that hot tub right little to y'all know you all see it back in seven weeks

so yeah that was hard that was really really really hard yeah I love what you said in the beginning though about you can talk to as many Bachelorette as you want, but you can never get the answers. And it's so true. And I think people, like, they love to turn on a lead. If it's a bachelor or a bachelorette. And it's like, we are doing this for the first time with zero guidance. Zero. Really, you're, you're just winging it. Literally. It is so much harder. It's hard. And I'm like, honestly, it's it, I just, anyone who has like thoughts of like,

Yeah, like I could do this or I would have like obviously that's everything is high in sight. Like you're watching it back. In that moment, you don't have a clue on what the hell is truly going on. So like you were using your best judgment with what you have, which is not a whole lot. So literally. And with a zero brain cell that I have. No, actually. I'm like battery.

I wasn't sober. It's on 2% low power. 2% low power always. No, actually. Oh, my God. Okay, well, T. Okay. No, we did good.

I feel like that was a really good. That was like a therapy session. Like, I think I've never said a lot of this out loud, which is so crazy. You like keep it bottled up for so long. So I love that. I love that for us. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. Episode two and we're already our deepest dark. We're already deep diving. Here we go. Literally next episode, I say everything that happened in my family. It's like that's a point we're at. So clearly, Charity and I are just an open book. So we thought it would be fun if every week we do some fan questions. We're going to throw up a question box. You guys can DM us. As you know, the DMs are where everything happens. And we're going to answer, I think, just one each today. So I'll start. To Charity. Yes. Doughton has shared with us that you are an amazing singer. And I want to know, would you ever want to take.

you're singing to a professional level. Because I could see you on Broadway. Honestly, that's, that quite literally is the only, like, thing I would possibly do. I actually have been entertaining the idea. I'm like, even if I just start off, I'm like,

obviously shooting for the stars is like, Roxy. I'm not trying to do that. But like, like, like an ensemble. Like, I just would love to just do a little jazz number in the background. Like, I, you know, I just want to try it out and see if I like it.

Like, I did theater a little bit in the high school. Charity. You a theater kid? No, no, no. Like, my brother was, my brother was literally that. Like, his Instagram handles the singing dinners. He literally is the theater kid. So the fact that, like, I want to try it now says a whole lot.

But, like, I actually would do, like, something like Broadway. You live in New York. I know. That's what I'm saying. Calls. Why not? Should I? Okay, maybe that's on, maybe that's on the list.

Everyone DM charity and tell her that she should definitely go to open calls. And by the way, I want to say back to the rock. heart thing. Lisa Rina did Roxy Heart. Okay. Yes, you absolutely could do. So honestly, yes. Yes. And I will be pushing for that. After Whitney Levitt's residency, we're getting a charity.

You know what I really need to manifest is like whenever or if they ever bring color purple back, I need like I need Cynthia to be my mentor because she played Ceeley on Broadway. And if I'm like that that's my dream come true. I'm like, train me to be the best next Ceeley. but I'm like I she's a powerhouse. I actually would need to go to like voice lessons and everything to be on Cynthia's level. Hello. But it's there.

We have a good foundation. I think you should. I think you should pursue it. Why not? And I think we should get Cynthia on the pod. Cynthia remote. We absolutely should. And let's just go ahead and say we need Ariana as well.

So thank you. Honestly at this point. Two for one. Two for one. Okay. I am going to ask you a. question, which I actually love this one. Okay. Do you think that your time on The Bachelor helped you on perfect match? I might think good about this one. Okay. So I will say in the beginning,

obviously not. I completely crashed out on my very first day there. Like no one had met me and I was crashing out. You get one pass. That was difficult. I think just because from my time on The Bachelor with Clayton, being on perfect match and having a camera in my face and him next to me, it just felt like I was back on The Bachelor. So I will say that, but going forward, I think it was a lot easier for me to keep my options open and really get to know people and be around. And I was the only one who switched up. Come on, Al. I think I just, we know that it's possible to have more than one connection. And I I think a lot of people who haven't done The Bachelor, they're very like tunnel vision on like,

this is the only connection for me. They don't give anyone a chance. And I think I was like, you guys, like, you can like multiple people. You can switch up. And I feel like I was the only one who dated everyone. And I did date everyone. But yeah. Yeah.

That's a really good answer. I think so. I think it's a good answer. Thank you. Yeah. I love that for you. Our coin saying I'm going to try them all out. Yeah, I did every single one.

And I did. You know who I really wanted you to end up with? Who? It's the guy from Love is Blind. Freddie. Yeah. I mean, truly. I think, I mean, me and Freddie are still really good friends.

It was just hard because if you weren't there on day one, like those couples paired up and like they were not separating besides the bachelor people. Like Clayton switched up and I switched up. it. So yeah, it would have been interesting to see what would happen if I was there day one, but we'll literally never know. We'll never know. We may. Who knows? No, no. Okay. Well, you guys, I mean, I think that is going to do it for today. I would like to say this is like a really good episode. I feel like we had a lot of fun. Like we talked about a lot. I feel like we spilled actually so much tea. Like tea, I've never shared.

before. It's just so easy with you, Charity. Like, it feels like it's just us talking. Exactly. Everyone's going to hear it though. So super excited for that. On Thursday, we're going to have our very first guest, Miss Kelsey Anderson. I cannot wait. I can't wait to ask her all the juicy details. We're going to get all the info on her BBL. I'm going to tell you guys everything. So make sure you tune in. We're so excited. And we'll see you guys. next week. Or we'll see you guys on Thursday. Yeah. Bye. Bye. And we're still bad at this outro. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.