Bachelor Happy Hour - Ben Higgins on Why Peter 'Can't Catch a Break'

Episode Date: February 6, 2020

Former Bachelor Ben Higgins joins Rachel and Becca to give his take on Peter's drama-filled season. Ben discusses why the drama is preventing us (and Peter) from getting to know the women this season. Plus, why Ben believes handling conflict is not Peter's strong suit.And, Ben reveals who his pick would have been if he were the Bachelor this season.Don't forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I have notes in front of me. Rachel's here. We're going to break it down because there is a lot that went down this episode. And you have to have notes because you need to keep it all in order. Because it's like, where do we even start from? I mean, we saw a telenovela, but that should be the theme of this entire season. It's his own soap opera. Yeah.

So, Rach, before we get started, I do have to say we have a very special guest coming in, well, calling in. later this afternoon with the wonderful Mr. Higgins. He cannot get rid of me, which is why we forced him onto our podcast today. And so we're so excited to break it down with him and to get his point of view on this season so far, because I'm sure he will have plenty to say. We're going to have to poke Ben because you know Ben likes to be straight line, politically correct. This is not what this show is about. It's happy hour.

You know, take one back and let's get into it. I really want to know what he, who would he be going for right now if he was Peter? because everyone compares the two. They're like, Peter's a mini Ben. And so I really can't wait to get his take on these ladies and see if he was in Peter's shoes, who he'd be going for so far. Before that, we see this episode kickoff in the beautiful Santiago Chili. Now, Peter still has 10 women remaining. And I feel like it's more than that just because there's so much drama.

So we still have Hannah Ann, Kelly, Kelsey, Madison, McKenna, Natasha, Sydney, Tammy, Victoria, Eve. and Victoria P. Now, again, it feels like more than 10. Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure you named more than 10 people there. But it starts off with Hannah Ann getting a one-on-one. Now, is it just me? Or were you like, didn't she already have one? I could have, I would have put money on it.

I thought Hannah-Anna already had a date. I honestly don't know what season I'm watching. There's just been so much going on. There really has. Maybe because she's stolen him so many times. It feels like it's all added up into a one-on-on-one. had more time than most of these women, that's for sure. I was watching this, and the way it kicks off is so Peter joins the girls at a bar,

and I don't think on, when I was on The Bachelor, I don't think we ever had a setup like that where we could all just kick it and be out in public and drink, and then he just showed up and grabbed someone. So I was kind of jealous. I'm like, man, I wish I was with these girls right now and would have, you know, him show up. But, yeah, he takes Hannah Ann, and like you, I feel like we've just seen more of her, because I think she's just been so confident in all the group dates.

I mean, we've had a lot of model-esque dates that she's, you know, kind of stolen the show in because that's what she does. But yeah, I think in my mind, this date around the city, I think it was a good date. It seemed like a normal date. Like there wasn't a ton of like glitz and glam and hype. There wasn't any helicopters or private concerts. It just seemed very chill.

I will say that those type of dates I love. They were always my favorite dates because there weren't a lot of distractions you know you weren't doing all these crazy things it's a real life thing you're exploring this new city this new country with someone you really care about and you're doing it together i loved those when i was on the bachelor i loved it and i loved it on the bacheloret and i would always usually take someone that i really really wanted to get to know on those dates because there's so much time to talk yeah and i think that's what he needed from her i think he needed her to just open up and not be this like cute girl that's how he's smiling and happy happy all the time because

that's not a relationship. Right. Yeah. So. Well, then that was a bust. If that's what he wanted, that was a bust because then night rolled around and she didn't have shit to say. Yeah. I just, I feel like I still don't know much of her.

Like, she's had this one in one time and there's not more, you know, we've seen dates like with, for instance, with Kelsey where she opened up about her, her parents' divorce and how that kind of like shaped her into the woman she is today. or we, you know, we've always had these stories. And now I'm not saying that somebody needs like this whole sob story or this life-changing story, but just something to give us more of who they are. And I felt like I didn't get that. And this was so frustrating. So we've seen her, we've seen her have all this personality, whether it's in front of a camera or walking down a runway, which a lot of people say is their issue with Instagram models or models.

It's like they have all this personality, but then you talk to them in person and there's really nothing there. So, no offense. to anybody. So when he asked her very direct question, she cannot answer them. And to me, that is a red flag. I saw all the red flags waving all around Hannah Ann and in her face. And then he gets up in frustration because he's not getting anything from her. And she starts crying. And he's like, this is what I needed. And I'm like, Peter, she hasn't said anything yet. Unless this was edited and we just didn't get it. I don't understand

because Peter was like that's what I needed. A tear? I mean, was she pinching herself to make herself correct? I don't understand what was behind her tears. She did not explain that. We got nothing from her. And he said he got everything he needed for her.

I think there's a difference that sometimes, and I don't want to say just men, but people do. They confuse like emotion and tears for depth. And it goes back to, us questioning, like, is Peter asking the right questions with these women? Like, he's, it's like he's trying to pull teeth to get a straight answer. And my problem with not only Hannah Ann, but with some of the other girls, and trust me, I'm going to get into this as we go on to the next one on

one, but it seems like they don't truly know what they want and what, in themselves or in a relationship. Like, you go on the show and you think you know yourself and what you want, and then they're like thrust into this spot where, you know, it's like a future ahead of them and engagement looming and they're trying to form this relationship and they don't truly know who they are and what they want in a partner in a relationship. And that's where my frustration is. It's, and I'm not saying Hannah Ann is immature. I'm not saying, I mean, yes. Kelly said it. Yeah. Kelly did say it, but I, and I don't want to, like, I want to get to know these people individually to say like, okay, you're immature or mature. I think just based upon her

Yeah, she's a younger girl in the group. Like, she's only 23. I'm not saying that she's probably not ready because Becca M on R.E season was only 22, and she got so much flack for seeming young and immature, but look at her now. Shout out to Baby Becca. She's one of my favorites.

One of my favorites, too, and she's so mature. She has a lovely child who just turned one. She has another baby on the way. She's in a very loving, committed, loyal relationship, a respectful relationship. So she, like, I don't think the age number always is the problem. It's just, I think, like, mindset. And I think Peter's asking for something from Hannah-Anne, and she thinks he's asking for like emotion and tears and something more than just a

smile when really he's like, no, I actually want to know what you want. Yeah, and she couldn't give it to him. She just looked at him. She's perfectly curated. I'm over Hannah-Anne at this point. She gave him nothing. Those tears were because she thought she was going to go home. Point-blank, period. That's why she couldn't talk about what was behind them. She thought she was going home. He gives her a rose. I don't understand why. Again, I'm hoping that we missed something, but I don't understand. I don't think we did because I think they would have shown it. So I don't get his relationship with Hannah Ann. It's very superficial at this point. There seems to be no depth. She gave us nothing. I'm on to the next person. Well, then we go on to the lovely group date,

the telenovela, which I will say was probably one of my favorite dates I've seen. I would have loved to have been part of this. I just, it just seemed fun. creative. Like, I loved all of these girls in their personas because like, I mean, McKenna with the maid, like, poor girl, she can not get a break right now. She wasn't ever seen. She wasn't ever seen. And I wish

she would have made more of it. Like, you see her kind of in the back dusting. And I wanted more, like, she could have played that up so incredibly much. But some of the girls did great. I will say Kelly as the abuela. That was good. It was so good. And like, it was kind of

the cringe-worthy moments where it's like, they're talking about, like, dating. It's just, like, the moments that you love on the show were in this, like, telenovela soap opera. I'm trying to think, who else? No, they were great. I thought, I love dates where we get to see their personalities come out, and there's always that one date. And usually it's in the beginning, but in the middle of it just to see the girls have fun with

it and kind of just be so light when everything has been so heavy. I thought that that was fun. But I guess they were just a little bit too inspired by that telenovela because they took it off the set and back into the house with him. Yes, the drama continues. Yeah, Peter's season just needs to be his own telenovela because that's what it feels like. Yeah, and I, this is what I don't understand. Y'all, like listeners, if you're listening, write us in on this because I don't get how there's always the one contestant who falls for this shit. Like, how do you always get to be the one who's talking shit about every single person and you become that girl? Like, you see it. You see

it coming, you watch the show and you're like, oh, if I ever go on The Bachelor, Bachelorette, don't be that girl. And then there's always that girl. It happens. I don't know if they're doing it because they know they're not going to make it far. I don't know if they're trying to create a storyline. I don't know if they're trying to get to paradise. I don't understand it. I'm upset that it's Tammy, though, because at the beginning, Tammy was one of my favorites. And she had so much promise. And now she's just like on a mission to eliminate women. And her new victim is McKenna. Right. Yeah. I think who's an easy victim? Like because McKenna's, she's praying on the week at this point. Right. Yeah. And I will agree. I had so much hope for Tammy. And I said it last week where like I was rooting for her. And in the beginning, I think Tammy offered in the beginning like this great combo of a little bit of sass and she'll she'll say it like it is. But then she still like would check in on the girls if they were having news. I mean, we saw it with Kelsey. When Kelsey was crying by the pool, she kind of tried to like go and be like, what's going on? Like talk it through. And obviously she didn't get anywhere. And we saw. how that went. But yeah, it's, and I don't know if it's like she's trying to, this is her Bachelor in

Paradise interview or what, where she's just trying to, you know, get to a certain point because she knows, let's be honest, she knows it's not her. She knows that Peter and her relationship isn't where it needs to be. Right. So it continues, obviously. And gosh, the part where Peter's trying to have this moment with Madison and you're just hearing the screams from the house above, I'm just like, Like, the best kind of cockblock moment is right there to girls fighting. Yeah, Tammy and McKenna, I'm just sorry, just poor McKenna. That's all I have to say about McKenna. Tammy knows exactly what she's doing.

But the real drama was Victoria. Now, I was proud of Peter. This is a proud moment for Peter. I was too. Because it's the first time that I've seen him be really matter-of-fact about something. I told you that Victoria, Peter was always something. that was just a little off to me. You called it.

When it comes to her, and I don't think, I think Peter in the moment, okay, sends a lay a home, all right, fine. I still got Victoria P here. I think he went back and really processed what happened and thought about it because from the moment he sat down with her, he was not into her. No. He was not into it. Not like what we've seen with him and her in the past.

And I kind of wished he would have addressed that. He just kept saying, do you see a future? I don't see you as my wife. but I wanted him to be more confrontational. I wanted him to say, let me tell you why I don't see you as my wife. And it's because of how you handled this situation or because I just don't trust you. And that's not what he really did.

But I am happy, but I'm going to give it to him. He sent her home. Yes. And people watching and say, well, oh, he sent Alea home last week before the Rose ceremony. But had all of the women not called him out and addressed it and told him their frustration and where their hurt was, I think he would have kept a layer around. So I'm glad that he finally did this on his own terms.

I think he needed it. I think that I have, okay, my problem now with Victoria P. And not that I have a problem, but I just, I felt like, okay, we've seen it season after season where clearly doesn't work out. The lead always walks you out. They give you that respect to say goodbye. You kind of talk it out. You have that moment. I always have a problem where somebody is, like, better than that.

And they're like, no, I don't need you. I don't need your help. I find it, so Chris Randone on my season said that to me. I was like, well, I'll walk you out, even though it's not working out. Like, I'm still going to respect you and the time that you put on the show. You don't want to walk him out. That's just part of the show. Well, I did because I wanted him to go so I could go to sleep.

But that's like, I guess, and I definitely want you to finish your point, but it's kind of like what's so disrespectful and what you're saying. I don't even really want to walk you out. It's just like, I'm trying to be. be nice. Yeah. So at least accept me being nice. Yeah. And she and we saw like in that moment there was that switch where maybe it was like her guard went up and it was just a way so she doesn't like feel that hurt and that pain in front of him. But I just like Peter is still like even though it's not working on, he's still trying to respect you. He's still trying to be that gentleman and walk you out and see you out and still give you that closure a little bit. And in that moment you saw

something switch where she's like, I'm not having this. Like I can walk myself out. She's walking in front of him. I don't know. It just, it really rubbed me the wrong way. And we all go into this show knowing that there's only going to be one. And so the odds really aren't probably in your favor. So in that instance, I was like, okay, like we're seeing a new side to her. Been seeing it. You called, you did call it. I really have. But needless to say, I'm glad Victoria P is home. And it's giving me promise that Peter is starting to eliminate the drama and focus on some of the more serious relationships. And I think that that's the point of the season that, we're in. So also, when you're in the house, you're starting to reflect on who's had one-on-one

dates. Where's my relationship with Peter? As you're seeing the numbers dwindle down, and you have to start thinking, okay, Tammy hasn't had a one-on-one yet, Tasha hasn't had a one-on-one yet, neither has McKenna. So you know at this point they're kind of like, where do I stand compared to these other women? Right. So then Peter has a chance to give another one-on-one, doesn't give it to Tammy McKenna or Tasha. He gives it to Victoria F. Were you shocked? I was shocked.

I blew my mind. When they read her name, I was like, what? He either sees something in her or he's really questioning, do I keep her around? After everything that went down on their very first one-on-one, I, just to insert a little bit of my experience, I remember on the Bachelor, we, Lauren B had a date with Ari in Paris, and the week after she got the second one-on-one, and it was right after my one-on-one, and I remember coming home, and I walked into the room, and all of the girls were, like, dead silent. It was super awkward. I was like, what did I miss? And they're like, oh, well, Lauren got the second one-on-one day, and I was like, she just had one last week. And in that moment, I was

shocked. But I was even shocked for this one. I think after all of the interaction that I've seen with Peter and Victoria F., and just, like, the drama that just kind of follows. and like the extra time and care and attention and all of this effort Peter seems to be putting into her. I would have wanted a break if I was him personally, but I don't know what it is. And this is what I have all of my notes written about. Oh, this one.

Is this one on one day? I'm sure it's the nighttime, because not much happen in the daytime part of it, right? Like they do their thing, whatever. I don't even want to get into that. Let's just get into the nighttime portion because that's when that's when that's the juicy part. That's, that is, yes, like, I just don't understand why she wasn't, she just did not seem appreciative of the date that he gave her a second one-on-one.

She did not seem into it and him. It's like she, I feel like she's questioning, like, where her feelings actually are, but she doesn't want to, like, admit them. Like, maybe I'm not as into you or maybe, like, it's not, like, there's something off. And she, she made a comment and I wrote it down because this is what stood out to me the most was, I wish I knew my issues. so that you didn't have to deal with them. It's like, then why did you come on the show with the potential to get engaged? Because Chase Rice was on tour. He was gone.

He was out of office, apparently. But it's like, know yourself before coming on the show. Well, that could be a theme for several women. But my frustration with her, I share your same sentiments. I thought, you are so ungrateful. Yes. There are women sitting in this house who have never had a date and you are complaining about getting a date.

A second date. A second date, you're right. And I do get you saying, oh, gosh, maybe he's putting me on a second day because he doesn't know. But he reassured you so many times. She is that girl who needs to constantly be told, you're pretty, you're great, you're wonderful, instead of having that own confidence, which I just don't, I just, her own confidence, I just don't understand her. Actually, I do think I understand her.

She just doesn't know who she is and what she wants. She's all over the place. And what I don't understand is Peter. You want a woman who's confident. You want a woman who knows who she is. That's what you say you liked about Hannah B. Victoria F. has shown you none of that. So again, I don't know what Peter wants in a wife

because you are constantly having to baby her and coddle her and reassure her. As you have said, that is exhausting. Exhausted. And that's the only word I can think of when I think of their relationship. And I've never, and I've watched the show for a while, I've never seen one lead put in so much reassurance to someone to the point where it's like that cannot laugh. Like in my mind, there's no way that that can last. Like he's going to get to his breaking point and be like, I can't.

Like what else do you have to say? Like, and he has said multiple times, I'm not going to give you a rose unless I see something unless I feel it, like unless I know. And so she keeps getting roses. She keeps getting roses. She keeps getting roses. She's giving you. You should be more sure. Because remember there's the point in the show where Sidney and Tasha are sitting on the couch and they're saying, oh, he really must be into Victoria.

How can everybody see it but you? Right. You more than anyone should know that Peter's into you and not just because of the dates because he's telling you that. He's giving you all the reassurance that you need. It's so frustrating to watch. I am so sick of her. I'm so sick of seeing her cry. I am sick of watching her go on dates.

Well, and it's disrespectful to A, not not being. able to give Peter answers when he's asking you direct questions. I feel like she just keep saying, I don't know, I don't know. So it's like, how is Peter going to know? He's not a mind reader. But then to get up, and this isn't the first time we've seen this with her on a date. She gets up and she walks away and she cries and she leaves him. And in this process, time is of the essence. Like, you need to make the most of it. And you can't keep having these moments or these like fits where you can't handle it and you can't handle like answering the questions and you walk away. And she's saying, I don't know if I want to be here. I don't know. I don't know. And Peter

can't even hear that. And he's talking to his producer and he's saying, I don't know. She doesn't want this. So send her home. If you are questioning this, it's this late in the process. You have so many women who want you. That again shows how into her he is. Send her home. Two roses should not have been given out on this episode. Hannah Ann and Victoria F. It is very clear that if you're saying you want these things, these women don't possess those qualities from what we've seen. I'm sorry. I just don't understand. But what does

Peter do? Gives her a rose. Gives her a rose. And then. And then we see something that, to my knowledge, I have never seen before. No, plot twist. A two-on-one, which I don't even think we got a two-on-one in Hannah-B's season,

a two-on-one at a cocktail party. I thought this was genius. You know what? Thank you, Bachelor producers. Let's streamline this process. We don't need a whole damn date for this. Let's just do it at a cocktail party. I will say, I would have loved having the two-on-one at a cocktail party. You don't need a full date. And usually when you pick a two-on-one, you kind of know the two people, you're like, they're probably going to go home. Like, let's be honest, we've seen it happen multiple times where both people end up going home. So you, I mean, I watched it knowing like, okay, yes,

he gave McKenna the Rose, but I was like, she's not sticking around. You just, you can sense it. And the moment where you see the girls, the two girls walk in and sit on the couch, I felt like I was watching the telenovela once again. I was like, they're going to start, like, spewing out their scripts. And that's what it felt like. I felt like I was transported back to their group date because it was just so awkward, clearly between them. They just, like, McKenna talks about, you know, love wins and kindness, and she's stronger.

And then Tammy's just not really saying much at that point. And it was just one big mess, one big two-on-one mess. It was. I loved how it was set up. I am proud of McKenna for standing up for herself against Tammy because Tammy's tough. Tammy's tough. So I was happy that she stood her ground. She set her peace and it worked for her.

And Peter said, I trust McKenna over Tammy and sent Tammy home. Now, this is what was sad to me. Tammy made a comment when she was going home and said that he just wants a trophy wife and I'm not a trophy wife. That hurt me to hear Tammy say that because I understood Tammy. Once she made that comment, I understood her entire actions through this entire process. She is extremely insecure. She is confident and she's got her job and she's ambitious and all of that, but she's got some serious insecurities when comparing herself to the other women. And she even said, I guess he wants that blonde something trophy. It let me know that probably growing up,

she has compared herself to women that don't look like her and she felt like a minority in the house which she is and she felt like I felt like the younger self in her was coming out when she was making those comments in the car

and it was actually really, really sad for me to watch because I think Tammy is so beautiful and she has so much going for and it just seems I said this when I was on next season the house brings out the best or the worst in you and it seems like it really brought out

the worst in Tammy and she just felt victim to her insecurity. So if Tammy listens to our podcast, I want her to know that you are so beautiful, you have so many things going for you. Don't feel like you have to compare yourself to what a stereotypical version of what beauty is. Like beauty is so many different things.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And I want her to know that she's a beautiful person. And it was so sad for me to sit there and watch that. Peter didn't send you home because you, didn't have blonde hair. Peter sent you home because you lost your shit in the house. Because you had it out for the other girls. And in that moment, too, it's kind of sad because she doesn't have to get along and she doesn't have to be best friends with the remaining girls. Like, no one is saying that. But it kind of degrades the other women that are still there.

And in that moment, it was tough. I will say, though, I still have hope for Tammy. I would love to see her in paradise. But, like, I want her to have that redemption story. I want her to maybe form better friendships there than she could on this season. Because, like you said, I think she kind of spiraled out at the very end when she knew it wasn't her. So maybe we will. Maybe we'll see more of her. And she can have that redemption story, if you want to call it that. Yeah, I mean, well, listen, she can only go up from here.

And hopefully that happens to her in paradise with some other batch of franchise show or just in real life. She might be over it. Who knows? I don't think she is. I don't think she is at all. But we have the rose ceremony, and I was shocked by these eliminations. I did like, I didn't know who was on the chopping block. I thought maybe it was Tasha just because Tasha hasn't had a one-on-one.

And so he hasn't been able to grow his relationship with her. But then he reassures her in that private time. So I thought, okay, my girl, Tasha, she's going to be safe. And she is. But he sends Sidney home. I was surprised at that one. Now, but we said Sidney and him have a physical relationship, and there doesn't seem to be much depth. It seems to be a running theme with several of the women here.

but obviously that was the case because he sends her home. Yes, and that's the only thing I can think of is that he had this moment where he, of course, you have to compartmentalize all the relationships and tear them out in a way, but I think he realized like, she's beautiful, I'm super attracted to her. We have this chemistry, she's this amazing kisser,

but what's beyond that? And I would love to ask him and pick his brain, I can only assume from everything that we've saw that that's what it was, but... Hit it and quit it. Sadly, McKenna and Sydney, are no more. Yeah, McKenna,

McKenna, girl, girl, I feel sorry for you because Peter gave you false hope, but girl, you knew you weren't going far past that two-on-one. Right. It was the end of the road.

I thought he was going to cut them both in that two-on-one, to be honest. Yeah, no, no, no. It was the end of the road. Poor McKenna. And it's the end of the road for our recap as well.

Yes. So let's get to our cats and rats of the week. There are some cats and some rats. Okay. So my cat for the week is McKinna.

Kenna, even though she went home, I was really proud to see her stand up for herself. I thought what she said when she went home was beautiful. She really seems to have found her voice, even though it's sad because it's late. That was the end. That was the last thing we were going to hear from her, at least on Peter's season. But I was proud of her. I like to see people stand up for themselves. And my rat, I mean, it's got to go to Tammy. Tammy, you know, she lost herself. I feel bad again. I said what I said and I meant it, but she really had it in for praying on certain people and I didn't like that side of her. I agree. I would agree with both of those. I would also say just because it gave me some comedic relief, my cat was Kelly as the abuela. Kelly was good. Because

that was good. She did well. She nailed that role. And then my rat, I would say Tammy, it was just as much as I wanted her to not be, you know, we saw it go down. We saw the drama. We saw her kind spiral out. So hopefully again, Paradise, that redemption story, I'd love to see some more of her. We used to love Tammy. We used to love Tammy. I know. All right. So much hope. Let's pour one out for Tammy.

And McKenna. All right. So next week, it's looking like it's going to be good. These previews, don't you feel this week, I mean, this season more than ever, the previews have you hanging on the end of their seat? Yes. Or your seat? As of your seat. Garrett and I were watching the preview together, and he's

like, he's literally grabbing my leg squeezing it like oh my gosh what what what what he's waiting this is garrott's thing he's waiting for the moment when barb comes back on when she's like just bring her home to us like that's what he's like who is she talking about we know when that's coming that's going to be the last episode so beka that was a lot to digest you had your notes we had opinions we had an outline we had a lot to get into but we have been waiting on the line we have the wonderful mr ben higgins ben welcome to the show first time on the show Yeah, first time guest, not first time caller, big fans of you both.

Oh, thanks, Ben. Flatery will get you far here, Ben, so we appreciate that. Ben smooth. Yeah, Becca, I can't shake you. I feel like we're going to be spending a lot of time together soon. Yeah, for three whole months, everyone. So, you know, Ben and I just spent a week together in New York doing press for Bachelor Live on stage. So we, you know, we've talked about the Bachelor at length.

So I can't wait to share. Some of the insider tidbits that we've been, you know, bouncing off of each other and talking about. So here we go. I'm just excited to have you here. Oh, let's do it. Yeah, Ben, don't hold back. Like, let's just get at it. I got you.

Let's just go. There's a lot to talk about this season. Like, off the top, are you enjoying it or not? Because I feel like people have mixed reviews about this season. Yeah. You know what? I think I've put a lot of thought into this in my life. and I think we went into this season with insanely high expectations.

Peter's a good dude. He's a nice guy. We want to see him succeed. We want to see him flourish. The women from really week one kind of captivated us because they were a little bit dramatic. They had intense storylines. And so I think all of us as fans went into being like, this is going to be the greatest season ever. And I can't say it hasn't been.

I just don't think we've gotten there yet. We haven't yet seen a love story, but I'll tell you this, because I'm not going to go on and on. I'll keep these short. This was the week, and I don't know exactly why. Maybe we can find out why, but this was the week, for whatever reason, I'm really excited to watch next week's. Like, this is the first time I've been like, oh, I can't wait until next week's come out. I hadn't had that feeling yet, but after these two episodes, now I'm on edge waiting for that next episode to come out. Before we keep going, I think someone's really upset that we didn't enter.

introduce them. We do have another co-host here as well. Minnow is joining us in Bachelor Happy Hour and Minnow, we apologize. That's why she continues to bark because we did not acknowledge her presence in the podcast. So Minow, we... Minow, don't worry. You will have your time to shine. Yeah.

She's a diva. She needs to be heard. But Ben, so going into this season, I think people I think, you know, we're excited to see Peter, but for a specific reason and because they say Peter is much like a younger version of Ben Higgins.

And I think people saw that because you guys are both very sweet. You just seem to have big hearts and kind souls. I think from the more that I get to know you and the more that I get to see of Peter, I wouldn't necessarily agree. I think you guys handle things very, very differently. But I'm talking about this week and I just think, like, okay, if Ben was now in Peter's shoes, what would he do? Who would he gravitate towards?

How would he handle the drama? And so putting yourself in Peter's position this season, say you had this whole new group of girls, how would you handle some of this conflict and drama that's going on? Good question. Well, I've always said, you know, it's great. I think one thing that Peter and I have in common, and I think what you and Rachel had in common also based on your success is, I think we all went into it knowing what this is, right? It's an experience, one that will have ups and down.

one that at times will be dramatic and it'll make you want to pull your hair but ultimately at the end of it something good could happen like this could really shake up life in a beautiful way especially if you find your partner and I think all four of us

that we're speaking of right now had that in common and I think if you have that you're off to a good start I think the second thing is the mark of a good bachelorette or bachelor is how you handle conflict because conflict is kind of unseen a lot of times

it's unexpected on this show. The one thing that we could knock Peter for is not how kind he's being, which is super, which is super important here, or not how much he respects the women, which he obviously does. It's the one knock on Peter, and I would say this to him, is he hasn't confronted the conflict to get rid of it. Instead, he's just kind of perpetuating the inevitable, which is that it's going to continue to get bigger and bigger and bigger until he has to put his foot down. He just doesn't have another option.

And I'm hoping that over time we see him get better and better at that to ultimately get him where he wants to be at the end. But how I would handle this, to answer your question, I think anytime conflict came up during my time on the show, immediately, as soon as there is drama, as soon as somebody said somebody's acting a certain way, as soon as you heard an argument going on, my first reaction was to always try to pull away from it and analyze it, think about it, process it, put the pieces together. so that I'm not just running into what everybody's saying or I'm not just running into the argument. I'm able to take a step back and look at the situation as a whole and try at that point then to navigate it to some place of healthiness.

And healthiness to me was just peace, peacefulness in the house. But I think right now, Peter's one thing is he's just kind of running straight forward into it. And then once he gets into it, it's impossible to get out instead of pulling away and analyzing the whole situation. One thing, I want to ask you this, Ben,

as you know the male on the line and then rich ask you this too so when i was the bachelorette you know it didn't happen all that often that this came up but you know there's always the moments where someone will come to you and be and talk about someone else they'll say well so-and-so did this or they said that um it's happening so much with peter i think every conversation he has with the girls they're talking about someone else and for me that is just personally a huge turnoff and i want to know for you, when you were The Bachelor, if that happened, did you take it as, okay, this girl's kind of, you know, telling on this other girl and found it immature? Or did you appreciate it to kind of know what was going on and to figure it out for yourself? Because when that would

happen, I was like, don't waste your time talking about someone else to me. Yeah, Rachel, I really want to hear your thoughts here, but I'll say this. I, you know, and this is going to get super, just deal with me here for a second. I'm not trying to get super Christianese on you here. but I'm going to have to. So I have a principle in my life that I try to stick by, do a terrible job at it, but I try to. And it's to not murder somebody's name when you're talking about them to somebody else. Like it is really important to allow them into the conversation when you have conflict or when you have an issue with somebody.

And I believe the same thing principle goes to who I want in my partner. Like Jessica, for example, right now. There has probably been, I don't think there has been an occasion that I can think of in our year together that she has came to me kind of bad-mouthing somebody else. She might come to me and say, man, I'm just frustrated. I don't get it. You know, this person, I'm just not understanding them. I feel like we're not in the same page. But there's never been this, that girl's crazy. Like, that girl's whacked out. Like, that's never something that comes through her mouth. And I love that about her because it allows me to love that other person and respect the other person more.

And so when that would happen on the show, I don't really love it. I don't get it. I don't like it. And it feels like it's setting that other person back without them ever having a chance to explain than me. So basically you don't like the season because that is the whole season. I'm just going to go ahead and put words in your mouth because we- Rachel, your spot, I mean, not that I don't like the season. Now, I watch this season because I'm entertained. Like, very entertaining. Yes. It's like real housewives and I'm a huge fan. I like, I appreciate the caddiness, but I feel bad for Peter. That's it. Yeah. So like, I'm not going to say I don't like this season as much as like, I feel bad for Peter. Um, quite honestly. My,

this is my take, I don't think there's, unless Victoria comes through and shows herself to be like just, or Hannah Ann maybe still, I don't know if there's any other women there that I'm looking at being like, you've shown yourself to be, you know, a partner for Peter. I'm entertained, but as somebody's been in the show before and somebody that really likes Peter and wants to see this like go well for him, and I'm frustrated. It's awkward to watch. I don't think I would want to be in a situation. You know, I will say, though, I think Madison is a top contender. I think she's the first one who had the very first day with him, and now she's kind of fallen off the radar a little bit, but I think that's only because they're kind of hiding, not hiding her, but a little bit removed

from the drama, but I think when they're together, it's something really special. And she's the only one right now that I could really see wife potential. Now, Ben, when you and I were in New York together. We were kind of saying, like, it's really tough to see someone for him right now, and it's really tough to see a bachelor at lead come from this group of girls right now. It's just, it's hard to picture. Only because we haven't gotten to know them for them, it's been so much around the drama. But I think Madison is one that, yes, she's kind of hidden and she's not in the limelight and the drama and the craziness right now. But I think that there's something there between them. And, you know, we just haven't been allowed to see it

because of all of the caddiness going on. I always forget about Madison. I always say this like Victoria and Hannah Ann and then somebody always goes, what about Madison? I'm like, yeah, that works. She's great. We just haven't seen her.

If you're not messy, you're not getting seen. That's kind of the theme this season, right? Like as far as the women are concerned. Question though, we talked about Peter's conflict resolution or the lack thereof, and it doesn't just seem to be just with Peter, it seems to be with the women as well because they don't seem to be able to get along. They're just mean girls, right?

Now, here's my thing. I think, and I know Peter, I get to speak with him. I think he's a really nice dude. And I think he really cares about this experience. And I think he really wants to see it work. I don't think he's great at conflict. I don't think he expected so much conflict. The one thing that Peter has is he walked into this,

this thinking this was going to be like a really magical, like, experience. And I hope it is at the end. But we all know that while you're in it, it's not magical. It sucks sometimes. But it's not real life. And I know he came to you to seek advice. And I don't know if you told him that or not. But I think the beauty, the gift and the curse of Peter is that he is so optimistic that it's beautiful

for this type of experience. But then he's not realistic about how this experience can also be. And I think that it's, there's something that you said, oh, you brought up a really good point about him not asking the right questions. I think that's true and that's a huge red flag for me when it comes to this season because to be successful at the end of this, you have to ask the right questions, right? If you're not asking those things, how are you preparing? Because I feel like, no offense, Ben, but I feel like where the men really suck at this

is that you guys get caught up in the world that you're in when you're on the show and that you don't think about how does this work in real life. And I'm using general, not saying you specifically. And that's my fear with Peter. He is so caught up in this that are you thinking and asking the right questions of how this can work in real life? That is why I'm afraid now that he won't be successful on this show. When I said before, he was going to, you know, like have five women that he's into it. And it does seem that way.

But it's not looking too good. And he doesn't have a good crop of women to choose from. Sorry. People are going to say that I'm not supporting women when I say that. But I mean. But I agree. Like the drama is distracting. him to get to ask the right questions. He hasn't just sat down and been like, okay, like you,

you like me, like, where are you from? How do our lives combine after this? Like, what are you looking for in a career after this if we're to end up together? And I will say just from my experience, especially when I was on The Bachelor, that didn't come until my second, I think, second or third one-on-one with Ari when we were finally alone. And I was like, okay, this is now getting serious. And Peter is just not allowed to get to that point because of all of this chaos going on about champagne bottles and ex-boyfriends and all the things. Do you think Ben is, Ben, sorry, I did it, Ben, Peter, Ben, Peter. I got it.

Ben, do you think Peter is a good judge of character? I think he's a good judge of character. In life, I do think he is. I think he is, in this experience, I think you're spot on, Rachel, where he's caught up. I think it's hard to judge character at all when you're not being able to ask those questions when every conversation we see is focused on somebody else. And this is, and this was not a small moment for me. I think it happened in episode five.

And I believe it was with Sydney. I don't, I don't know for certain. But there was this conversation that he was having with her. And she said to him, Peter, you don't know me. And I don't know you.

And you don't see that this far in the season quite often. I would say the first four weeks are like survival of the fittest. Like, just try to stay around. And then after that, you really do start to know the other people or the people within the group. And I think she was speaking to something like every cocktail party, every group date, every time, like, there is a moment for us to get together, there's something that pulls you away, something else on your mind, something else that you're trying to work through. Because this whole thing is so chaotic. There's so many different storylines going on of drama right now. that I don't know to go back to your question

if he's had the chance to judge character or even get to start those questions that point to who somebody is because there's never like getting to, we don't know one person from this show very well yet. Not one. I would argue that we haven't had one like contestant that we are like all rooting for right now.

But can't you say that that means that he's kind of not a good judge because he is keeping the drama around around, like, he can't get to the root of it of the person who could potentially be his wife because he is keeping these people around. Like, if I'm a female in that house, I would be questioning Peter at this point. Like, why are they here? Why is she here?

It's, you know, the same way people did with Hannah B. Right. And Luke P. Why is he here? I'm starting to look at you and say, you know what? Maybe you're not the best judge of character. Yeah. And I would question it.

And then we've seen the girls like, well, he's keeping so-and-so around. but she's completely different from I am. She's immature. She's fixated on some sort of drama. I would question, like, what is he looking for? Like, what is his type? What does he want in a partner right now? It's confusing for us viewers.

Kelly said it. That's what I'm like, I am Kelly. Kelly is me. Kelly's like, listen, I'm different from the women that are, you know, I'm just in a different space in my life. And I think that that's why she seems so disinterested because there's just such a disconnect with her and the other women in the household versus how she is in real life, which makes me think of

this been, when it comes to the franchise, I'm going to get real general, big picture here. Looking at the past few seasons and seeing where we are now, I know Becca and I've talked about this, and I bet you and Becca have too, we feel so far removed. Things just seem so different than when we were on the show. And the only thing that I can attribute that to are the people that are coming on this show. So do you, are you fearful for the franchise? I think the longevity of cable television in general, we should be a little bit fearful. Ben, I'm not going to let you. That is the most politically correct answer. I'm going to get into it. Let me start there. You are a politician. You are, you are.

Let me know when you're running for office, because you are good. Let me start there. So, two things am I fearful for the for the franchise no here's why because they've always adjusted well if you look back in the history of this show it is I don't know who's pulling those strings and who's making these decisions but it is when I was the bachelor and I think your producers that are in that room who know the show well could speak to this it was not a an uncommon fear that the show wasn't going to be around a lot longer. They had had some really, like, rough moments. And social media still really didn't exist. Like Instagram, when I was on The Bachelorette, was just coming out. That was six years ago at this point. So there were some huge hurdles and transitions that

had to be made, and they made them. Like, the show had never been bigger than ever over the last four seasons. And now you're getting to that point where it's at its peak, which ultimately, it's cyclical, it's going to start dropping down again. So what adjustments are going to be made to keep the show around? Now, I don't know what those are, but I do, the Bachelor out of any show on television, and I don't get it, has made adjustments to keep this thing going. And it's huge. It's never been bigger.

So that's my first thing. The second thing is back to the show a little bit is, I'm with you on, you got to cut out the drama. but when we look at this show in general, I don't know where that drama's coming from. I don't know the route. So I don't know where you take it out at unless you just send six of them home in one night. So anyways, am I fearful of the show?

No, I'm not. Yeah, not the success of the show. The show is going to be successful. It is what it is. It is taken over a day of the week. I'm not concerned about that. Maybe I should say the quality because a lot of people seem to be so upset.

Because you want drama, like you said, survival of the fittest. You want drama first night. week one, two, three, four, five, you usually get that two on one and you start to see things changing. And there is like no end to it at this point. Oh, yeah. And so I guess that's what I mean. I talk to a lot of people, even Super Bowl weekend, people want to come up to me and talk to me about the show. And the general consensus

is people are tired of the drama and maybe more so also what we said at the beginning of this podcast, how Peter is handling it. Maybe that, so it's frustrating, it's frustrating on both ends. I wonder though, okay, with that I can fully agree with you. I wonder if the secret sauce to this whole show has always been the drama. Yes, it could end in love. And yes, we're looking for a really cool ending that we can all celebrate and forget about all the drama together.

We're quick, we're really quick to forget the negatives. I told Becca last week, it's not how you start, it's how you finish. And if Peter finishes in a love story, we're all going to forget all these little arguments and go, wow, what a beautiful, beautiful thing that happened. Yet the drama keeps us engaged. It does it all of our lives, no matter what we're doing. If we're watching TV or we're out for cocktails with friends, drama keeps us interested. And drama will keep us around, even if we want to complain about it.

We still want to watch it. Well, and that's the thing. We can complain week after week and be like, oh, my gosh, it's so hard to watch. These girls are crazy. Like, poor Peter, but we're still watching. And everyone out there is still watching. So clearly it's doing something, right? I mean, and I can't imagine.

I feel like once you get this, like, dose of this drama, you kind of have to keep it up now season by season, which makes me a little nervous for the future Bachelor and Bachelorettes. But once you have that and, like, you can't come down, I feel like everything after that's going to seem boring. Well, it is reality TV, right? Like, we need a little bit of it. Right.

But I think what you said, Ben, is so on point, too, about short-term memory at the end of the day you just want to see a love story it's just taking a little bit longer to get to than that so Ben do you even have a favorite lady on this season oh that's tough

right really really tough I will say that's the hardest like this is the hardest season for me like you know I really went into this when we're just looking at pictures and being like oh this girl's beautiful this girl's beautiful and it's true beautiful season of people

but I do think the one that has has shown themselves to have the best, like, interactions just based on what we've seen is Victoria. I think, um, you know, Victoria, who? Victoria F. Oh, I mean, I'm going to make some notes while you're talking. Oh, gosh, Ben, I would disagree so wholeheartedly with you on that one. Wait, why? We got to hear the why. We have to hear the why. We have to hear why.

Well, I will get into it. I just, every time I feel like they're together, I, there's no doubt about it. Like, Peter is very drawn to her. He's very attracted. But I feel, feel like she just in the way she handles and approaches situations, whether it's with him or the date, whatever they're doing, she just seems very, very over the top. Like she either is like all in or freaking out and there's like no, she just seems kind of exhausting. But I also think there's always an issue when she's with Peter. She's always upset about something. She starts to cry. She gets upset and walks away and leaves him. And I like, this is your part. The same person here, right? The one that went on the that went on the date,

listen to her ex-boyfriend? Yeah, that's why I'm, like, Ben, I want to hear your logic as to how you see Victoria as the one because Becca, and I'm on the same age as Becca, so please, please your case. Well, here's my case is I do feel like Peter is the most comfortable with her. I do feel like he's attracted to her. I don't feel like we've had anybody kind of make his world stop at this point. I said it a little bit ago.

I still stick to it, I don't know if there's even one right now that I've seen Peter just fully like be engaged with with yet. I mean, Madison kind of like week one, which is easy to do and Hannah Ann has kind of walked on the perimeter through the whole show. I'm just saying if there is one person that I've seen him have interaction with that could point to any type of future relationship, it seems like Victoria is it. Yet I don't have. hesitate to say, I don't know if there is a one. I don't, I have yet to see it. Ben, I want to know if you were Peter right now, what girl would you have as your top girl? If I was Peter, oh, she's gone. I said, who was it? Sarah C. I think Sarah C seemed like cool. She was like funny in a moment

that we saw her. And then she was beautiful. I think Sarah C. Just like at the very first night, she was like at least somewhat like normal what did she do okay this is what i'm saying about the men you picked her because she's pretty i mean the girl didn't we didn't see anything of her on the show she's it's the same thing with joe grocery store jo who i adore but grocery store joe you saw nothing of him and people went wild about him because they thought he was attractive it's the same thing with sarah she's a beautiful girl you saw nothing of her personality but grocery store joe ended up being awesome. And you're like, well, this guy could actually be the next bachelor. You're right, but that's what we

know now after the fact. At the time, what I'm saying is with Sarah, you can't point to anything outside of her being pretty. That's it. I said before the show even started, that was like who I went into this season, like, she's just pretty. Like pumped up about. So like now that the, like who he's left and who he's kept

and who's still around, I don't think there is one person that would match me at all. It would be tough. Maybe. Well, after you have the catch like Jessica, of course. No, nobody even compares. That's the closest thing that I've, from what I've seen is Madison, maybe. You brought it up. I think Madison has shown to be like sweet. She was met his family and was like cool with it. She hasn't been involved in any of the drama. We haven't seen her freaking out yet. I don't know a lot about her. We haven't got to know her too well. So I would say the one person right now that sits there that's still on the show that would feel like the best fit for for somebody like Peter would probably. be a matter. Am just shocked that you said, well, I'm over Sarah, even though I'm still shocked at that. But Victoria F, for you to be, say that Peter can't handle conflict, she can't either.

When he tries to have a conversation with her, she runs off and starts crying in a corner. I mean, literally she can't form sentences to express how she feels unless she's confronting one of the girls in the house and then she's ripping them apart. That's what I don't understand the contradiction with her. You can tell a girl off and call her out and then you become this meek, shy, I can't express how I feel person in front of Peter. Like, which one are you? To me, the girl.

Well, maybe find out which one she is. I don't know. I have my thoughts. Honestly, I hope we find out who she is. Rachel, the truth of all this is, I don't think there's a favorite for me. Ben, you know, you've mentioned you and Peter have talked quite a bit. you gave him some advice in the beginning. Now halfway through, and I'm not sure if you've talked to him recently within the past week or so, you know, it's different when you start the

season and you're in the middle of it. And I'm sure Peter's in a very unique position right now where he's watching half of his season back and he's getting the world's reaction about everything he's saying, everything he's doing, all of these girls. Like, he's getting a lot at this point. And if there's any advice from here on out for him to expect, what would it be? Because He's in for a wild ride. I mean, this is only halfway through, and we haven't even gotten to see, like, the love stories unfold. So what would you say to him if he called you up?

Yeah. Well, I'd say hold tight. I mean, he's already done with this, right? So I would say, hold on tight. It's going to get better. No matter what. It was my, you know, it's my same advice for anybody that's been on the show that's going through turmoil. I mean, there's a couple characters that we've seen.

Last year we spent, or Hannah B season, we spent all year talking about Luke. and I thought that could get pretty ugly for him. I thought that would last a little bit outside the show. Most of the time, unless your character is really, really, really, really, really be in question. If you make it to the end, which I'm hoping Peter does, he's going to be fine. I would just say hold on tight and continue to be who he is,

continue to be kind, continue to answer the questions that he's doing. But on the show, what I really hope he does is he starts to really try to dive into who these women are and how they fit him and how he fits them and what relationships can be made because I don't I haven't seen that yet I mean we can sit here and we can argue about Victoria and we can argue about Madison and all these girls the truth of it is I don't I mean unless you have a really strong opinion on who he should be with right now I think most of the fans are going I don't know if there's anybody like not that these women are bad just like nobody seems to fit Peter that well right I think that's very well said Ben and I think

We are all you right now. We share your sentiments. And I remember Beck and I both talking about at the beginning of this season that we're so excited for Peter, even talking with Peter, talking to Peter's parents. We're so excited for him. We feel like it's the thing that he's missed. He's got his job. He's got his family, his friends, all of that. He wants this, you know, as much as any lead I've ever seen.

So hope it ends in a love story. Hope it works out. Hope the tide is changing when it comes to how we're seeing his relationships play out this season. but we'll just have to wait until the next week to see how it goes. But, I mean, I don't know what else to say except for Ben for governor. Yeah. Well, if I can bypass questions about The Bachelor, I think politics will be a lot easier. Can I switch roles here for a second and ask you to, who are you fans of?

Like, who should I be looking at and watching and going, this could work? Well, yeah. I have my people that I like just for. the comedic relief. And then I have the girls who I think are top contenders. I mean, right now, and we've talked about Madison, we haven't seen very much of her other than the very first one-on-one date. But in a weird way, I feel like I can kind of relate to Madison.

I feel like she is me in that scenario because I had on Ari season the very first one-on-one date. And then I was kind of out of the picture. I wasn't part of the drama. I knew I had the strong connection. but I was a little bit removed and I think that that's how she is. I do think that when they have their interactions from what we've seen,

she's one that he has a stronger one with and maybe that's just given to the fact that she met his family and that just bonded them in a way that he hasn't bonded with these other girls. But I am excited to see more of her. And in terms of Kelsey, I'm always up and down with Kelsey.

I think that there's really something there and I think that as we get to know her, she's unpealing these layers and we're getting to know a deeper level, aside from just the whole champagne, champagne gate and that drama, I think he's, from what I've seen with her, though, I think he's drawn to her. And I'm trying to, I'm trying to, when I watch their interactions, I try to pick it apart a little bit more and really, like, focus on what it is. I will say I'm intrigued by her and Pete's relationship. Yeah, for me I like Tasha the best I think she's funny She's level-headed The girls seem to like her in the house

No drama She's like a breath of fresh air to me And then for Peter I like Madison I mean for the obvious She seems to be no drama I mean I guess I could throw Hannah-Anne in there But Madison

I think There's a spark there And it seems very effortless When they're together And this is just me going on the first off the first date. So I don't know. We'll see.

It seems very obvious he's in a Madison. So it makes me think that something's going to happen. Oh, gosh. Right? Because it's so, to me it's so obvious it's Madison. Yeah. I can't take any more of this like Peter being happy,

dancing around, smiling, like doing his goofy little dance thing. And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere comes some young lady walking up, say, Peter, you've got to talk. Right? It's like, Peter, is that a smile? Let me turn that. Let me ruin it. that upside down.

Yeah, let me take it away. Because, wait, Ben, as you're saying this, I have that image in my head of him dancing on stage with Victoria F, and he's got, you know, he's doing this hands in the air thing, smile on his face, and it's like they pan out, and it shows Chase Rice. Just like in Victoria's singing the words. I mean, poor, we like to title each episode, and during that episode, we titled that one, poor Peter. Okay, Ben, always a pleasure.

love having you on the podcast but before we let you go we like to play a game with our guest even though I feel like you haven't really been a guest today you've kind of been the fourth co-host because obviously the third one is minnow I don't want to say not acknowledge her again

and have her start barking but yeah you've been fantastic it's great to get your opinions and your take on the show even though they were politically correct we tried to poke you but you were good whatever we'll try again with this game so here we go I'm going to do this game

with you and Becca because you guys You know, you got Bachelor Live coming up so soon. I can't wait to catch it. But you were the perfect duo, well, other than Becca and I, of course, obviously. So, okay, here we go. I'm going to throw out questions, and then you're going to say, who's going to be doing this when I throw this out? Either Becca or Ben. All right, first up, who is going to sleep better on the tour bus?

You? Becca. Oh, oh, well, okay. Ooh, I would say you, Ben. I can't sleep. I really, neither one of you can. We're going to be real tired after three months. It's because of the excitement of Bachelor Live on stage.

You just can't wait to get to the next city. I actually heard the buses are super dry, and it's like the one thing I can't sleep in, even though I live in Denver, but I have a huge humidifier in my house, that buses are super dry. So I'm worried that I'm going to always wake up, like, with a sore throat. Is it a portable humidifier? I'm bringing it with me, yes. Okay, I was going to say sponsor.

Ben, I will let you borrow my facial steamer so you can just shove your facing that every night. Thanks. You're welcome. I'm sorry. I was going to say something really inappropriate. Okay. Next, whose partner is going to be on the tour bus more often?

Becca's or Benz? Jessica or Garrett? I think Garrett, right? I would say Jessica. Jessica's there for a third of the tour. She's coming in and out. So she'll be in for. a week, out for two, and for a week out for two.

That sounds like a lot. I honestly think Jessica, because Garrett right now is so scattered all over the place, so he'll, he, you know what, Jessica might be there more. But of course, we'll have Minow constantly, and she's also my partner, so she'll take the lead. Is Minow going to be there the whole time? Mito, stop licking that. You know, dogs like to get in that booty. My dog doesn't do.

Because you're not on camera right now. I don't know what is going on over there, but it sounds like a good time. Okay, who's going to be the bigger hype man, Becker or Ben? Here's the thing. I want to explain myself. Oh, is this part of the show? It's going to be Ben. Well, when, like, getting the crowd pumped up, I lose myself in the adrenaline.

But I feel like Becca. Becca's really going to come through as the closer and keep everything like consistently hyped. But like I'll come out like a rocket and I'll slow down and then I'll end pretty excited too if love exists on stage. Well, I'm going to need a rain Ben in it sounds like. No, I competed against Ben on the lip sync battle. Oh, yes. I've seen firsthand him lose himself on stage. So my vote is for Ben on this one.

I'm just picturing Ben fall into the mosh pit. What is it where they body... Crowdsurf. Ben's going to be crowd surfing everyone. Oh, yeah. Buy your tickets now. I'm excited. I mean, listen, if that's not selling Bachelor Live on stage for you guys, I don't know what it is.

I don't want to see it. Okay, who's more likely to trip on stage, Becca or Ben? I could answer this one. Who is it? Ben, who's your answer? Ben, you know. It's got to be Becca Yeah totally

I can't even walk upstairs Becca has her hands and her feet in the air on this one She knows it's her minnow raised a paw I will for sure trip probably Okay we're doing what 66 shows I will probably trip in at least 27 of them If not more I don't want to say it but yeah

She owns it she owns it It's going to happen people just bear with me please Okay last one who's going to take longer in hair and makeup, Ben or Becca? Minow. That's easy. Are you kidding me? That's definitely Becca.

I have this theory that I don't understand why I have to wear makeup at any point ever again. It just makes my, I don't know how you all do it. It makes my skin feel all sorts of weird. So I'm not going to probably get that way. You don't need makeup. You got a fresh face ready for camera all the time. Everybody's not able. We don't all wake up like this.

Thanks, Rachel. Ben's only bringing two suits for the entire show. Yeah. He's, yeah. Does Carrie know about this? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm packing light, team.

Here's my thing. As long as I have enough golf shirts to play golf in the morning, I'm happy about this tour. I don't care about the night portion. I'm ready to hit the links. Ben's going to have more polos than ties on this tour. That's so funny. All right.

Well, Ben, thank you for joining us. Always a pleasure. Loved having you on this show. Can't wait to catch Bachelor Live on stage and everything else that you're doing. It's going to be a fun line. Thanks, guys. You guys are crushing it. Thanks for having me on.

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