Bachelor Happy Hour - Big Moments at the ‘Men Tell All’

Episode Date: August 15, 2023

Last night, the men of Charity’s season hashed it out on the “Men Tell All,” and as we expected, they did not disappoint. Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena share their thoughts on every jaw-dropping moment, including Xavier’s heavily anticipated sit-down with Charity, Brayden answering for his behavior in the house, and “Hot Sean’s” self-appointed moment in the hot seat.   Plus, Joe and Serena give their take on the advice Charity received from Trista, DeAnna, and Desiree, and then gush over seeing Golden Bachelor Gerry sitting down on the “Bachelor” stage for the first time.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, no, go. Yeah, no, I like it. Can I jump in here? All right. Welcome back to another episode of Bachelor Huffy Hour. I'm your host, Serena. And I'm Joe. That was so exciting for me.

I've never done the intro. You could do it from now on if you'd like. Really? Yeah, we could switch it up. Okay. We could take turns. All right, nice. You want to keep going?

Sure. You know what? This is my time to shine. I'm going to take it away, guys. So we are going to dive right in to our Bachelor Nation breakdown, which we are starting our episodes off with. For those of you that don't know, it is the highlights since we last talked to you in Bachelor Nation news.

And there has been a ridiculous amount that has happened. Yeah, let's get into it. First thing, we actually had Noah and Abigail on our last podcast. So if you didn't listen, check it out. but so happy for them. We're still celebrating them because they got engaged. They were on our season of Paradise, Bachelor in Paradise Season number seven, the most successful Paradise of all time.

I know. Six couples. Yeah. It's crazy. It's very exciting. Truly, yes, we have a baby coming out of it, Becca and Thomas. We have weddings. We have engagements.

Yeah. I don't know why. Maybe it was because there was that COVID break. where they took a year off and people were just like, just like ready? I think that has something to do with it. Yeah, I feel like coming out of COVID, everyone, not everyone, but there was a lot of people that were like, you know what, I'm ready to settle down. Like, I'm ready to commit to a relationship.

Or they just got lucky with a lot of really good people who were able to form strong connections. But we are so excited for Abigail and Noah. Definitely go check out that interview. And we're so happy to be able to include their engagement in our Bachelor Nation Breakdown. on today. Absolutely. So yeah, good for them. And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, we do have an unfortunate breakup. Caitlin Bristow and Jason Tardick officially ended their engagement. You know, that's, that's a tough one because I'm friends with both of them. I really like both

of them. I like them together. But at the end of the day, if they're not happy, you know, they need to change that. And that seems to be what happened. But it's never easy going through a breakup. And I'm sure they're going through it. So yeah, I don't know. It's tough. What are your thoughts? Yeah, I think there was definitely some speculation about the breakup a little bit prior to the statement. Then the statement obviously got released. And I think there's still people that are like, there's got to be more like what's happening. Like why did they break up? But it sounds like Based on everything they've said, it was just, it didn't work out. And it was both of their decision.

And there's still a lot of love and respect between the two of them, which is, you know, as much as you can hope for after being together for four years and ending that with someone. I know they live together. They have two dogs that they share that I think they're going to continue to share. That's going to be tough. Which that's, that's tough. That's tough. Like the little fur baby is having to keep that string connecting you too. But it sounds like there's still a lot of love.

and respect there and they're just going to go their separate ways and sometimes sometimes relationships don't work out and it's sad when it happens but it's probably sounds like for the best yeah well one thing that's tough and you know you have to expect that somewhat when you become you know when you step into this world of of public relationships I guess or whatever you know you go on the bachelor and if you're in a bachelor relationship it it is public via social media and then you have you know rightfully so everyone's going to have their opinions right or wrong. But it does suck for Jason and Caitlin because, you know, you're getting like, oh, she's getting a lot of the blame or he's getting the blame. But at the end of the day, like, we don't know the insides of their relationship.

So it's just like maybe they, yeah, maybe it's just it didn't work out and they both knew it. And that's it. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen a lot of different comments and guesses on to what was going on then a lot of blame being thrown around. But at the end of the day, like, you just don't know. You know what I mean? Like, you don't know what's going on inside someone's relationship. Like, you can speculate all you want. But at the end of the day, you have to just take what they said and believe that as their truth. And if there's other stuff that they don't want to share or there's nothing else, like you just don't know. And you have to respect their privacy. But I think it looks like they're both taking some time off of social media. I know Caitlin put out a statement saying

she was going to take a break and I think that's for the best. I know if I was going through a breakup, I would not want to see, you know, there's a lot of support, but there's also a lot of negative comments out there too, which, you know, can only add salt to the wound. It's not easy, but you know what, they'll get, they'll get through it. So moving on, positive news. Let's, let's end this vaccination breakdown with some, something positive. Let's do it.

Nick Vial and Natalie are, well, she's pregnant. She is pregnant. Yeah. I'm so excited. for them. Me too. We're friends with them. Very happy for them. We didn't see it coming. We didn't know. We were out to dinner with them not too long ago in L.A. And you and Natalie always have wine together. And I don't think she had a drink. Yes. She didn't order a drink. And at the time, I didn't really think anything of it. I know that Nick always jokes that Natalie waste more alcohol

than she drinks. She's like the queen of ordering a drink just to like have it and sip. And she decided to not order one. I was like, okay, no worries. I won't order one either. We'll just drink water tonight. And then little do you know a few months later. Bam, we've got a pregnancy announcement. So, yeah, we're very excited for them. I know she posted she's had, she's been very tired and very sick in the beginning of her pregnancy. So we're just wishing her a very smooth rest of her pregnancy. And we can't wait to meet Little Baby Viol. And yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's get into it. The Mentel, Let's break it down and make sure to tune into the second half of this episode that we drop later this week because we interview all the guys.

We interview Xavier and we also have charity back on. We love having her on the podcast. Can't get enough of charity. So make sure to check that out. Okay, Mentel All. I really liked that episode actually interviewing. I think we interviewed like six different people in like quick little segments to get their thoughts and feelings on the Mentel All and just have some follow up questions. and it was almost like a speed dating episode.

And I feel like all the interviews were great. They all had really fun insights and things to say. And we got to meet some of the new guys. We got to have some people back. So, yeah, definitely check it out. Those are one of my favorite episodes that we've recorded. Yeah, it was fun. It was fun because it felt like we were there, you know?

Yeah. Well, we technically were. Okay. First up, what's the first big thing that happens here? I have, um, Sean kind of goes up. Braden pretty quickly on.

Yeah, I think the beginning of the mental really focused and surrounded Braden. Yeah. He was kind of the biggest character, I guess you could say, of the first half of the season. He caused most drama. So he also, he also admits that. Like, he's, that is who he is. He's an outspoken, loud person. And, you know, when you go on a show like this, you're obviously, being that.

type of person, I guess you make yourself a target. Yeah. And I think at the end of the day, like, the environment just wasn't for Braden. And it just was not something that was going to work for him. I just felt like there was no real like reconciliation with this segment because Braden basically stood by everything he said and did on the show for the most part. And the guys basically disagreed. Well, not all the guys. He had he had a few guys backing him up. I think like Aaron S was backing him There was a few guys that were like, you know, this is who he was. I kind of, I mean, like, yeah, like, I think, like, hate him or love him. Like, I think he was, I think Braden was, was always honest.

Yeah. I mean, I think we are Braden fans. I thought there was, there's an interesting take on it of, like, is Braden the drama or is the people that are bringing, like, the accusations about Braden to charity? that are the drama like who do you really put the blame on here like brayden for kind of just being himself and being honest and that's not to say i agree with everything that he was saying or doing or do you put the blame on the people that are you know taking it back to charity and like making it drama in the house do you know what i mean yeah well i mean you need a part of that just just for television

purposes um but also you have like so you have adrian saying brayden called charity Classless. Mm-hmm. And the show literally posts there's no footage of that. No footage to prove it. And you better believe if Brayden called Charity Classless, which I don't know if he did or not, but if they had footage, there's no way that that wouldn't, how would that not be released?

Oh, if Brayden called Charity Classless, they are playing it at the mental law for everyone to see. So I do feel like that was a word that was just taken out of everything he was saying. But, like, yeah, Adrian, it looks like you made that one up. It looks like he didn't actually say it was not a direct quote from Braden. And in Adrian's defense, I feel like he was one of the guys that approached Braden because we do hear Braden say my issue with the guys is none of them had an issue with me there. Like none of them came up besides like Adrian and then Aaron B.

everyone would seem according to Brayden and the way it seems they were all like buddy buddy with him my thing though with Brayden is he does kind of strike me as a guy who's not great at reading the room he is someone that like I feel like gets really caught up in his own emotions

his own feeling but for reality TV you better have people that don't know how to read a room I'm not saying it's a bad thing I mean it's great we loved him on TV like I'm not I'm not putting him down as he was great TV But my point is like, I don't think he would be someone, like, I guarantee you, like, there's guys sitting in the room being like, Braden, everyone is annoyed with you right now. How do you not see that or feel that? Like, for example, on that group day out in the woods, when Tanner was in his interviews, be like, Braden, you're doing the most, like, do less. I'm sure every guy standing there looking at each other being like, oh, this is so annoying. And Braden is just not picking up on it. So like, I can imagine, like, it was probably obvious to everyone else.

that everyone was feeling that way about him, but until he watched it back and heard people explicitly saying this stuff in interviews. And my thing with Braden is, I don't think people were like, you're a jerk, we don't like you. I think he was, A, just really getting on people's nerves,

and B, he was being, he was oversharing about his feelings with charity and his speculation. Well, that was definitely true. He needed to, like, reel it in. And I think the people that had problems with him on that front did express it. Yeah.

I'm Dr. Scott. Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like, like go you, go blank your Right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress, seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Drinking is easier. Helming is easy. Complex problem solving. Meditating. You know, takes effort.

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And our recent chat on next question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense. it's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally, like, I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah.

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the room and they called him out on it is hot Sean when he came in. And that's the next thing we see is kind of hot shone. on first the guys and the guys basically just saying like you came in like whistling like I'm having such a great time and and stole time from us and we were upset yada yada yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah which i feel like wasn't a huge amount of drama but definitely big on that one group date and we actually did get a chance to talk to sean more about that in our interview of like why he did that because from a viewer perspective i was very much with the guys of like sean read the room what are you doing but he actually kind of gave more insight as to like why

he acted that way. Yeah. So definitely listened on the interview because it was just interesting to get his perspective on it. But I feel like the whole first half was like the guys versus Braden, Braden and Sean versus each other and then the guys versus Sean. But also everyone was very tame. Like I kind of wish people

really went after each other more because it would just be more fun to watch. I feel like they all handled it pretty maturely. For the most part, I don't feel like there was like an apology tour going on though, which I do like to see I feel like sometimes people come to the reunions and they're like, I'm so sorry for every single thing I said and did.

Please forgive me. And then everyone's like, oh my God, we forgive you. Like, Braden and Sean both kind of like, for the most part, like stood by their actions and like gave reasoning for why they did them.

Yeah. Yeah. And then we have, okay, so this is, this was the curve ball. It's so weird. The whole,

just the whole thing was just very. Shocking. And came out of nowhere. Shocking. Came out of nowhere. Like, very like, fourth grade type of

drama. I couldn't not believe that this is something that was going on. So night one guy his name's Pilot Pete not to be mistaken for Pilot Pete but he went home night one and I according to the men there he was standoffish and rude

which and I brought it up to some of the guys when I talked to him like you don't know internally what he's battling with and that that first night like we could all speak to it especially me like i had so much anxiety that first night it was really hard to to talk to people or be friendly so like for them to be like oh he's he's not one of us like he's he's a dick yeah they definitely seem to like write him off right away sounds like a lot of them had negative interactions with him. John B. did say that he like sat down next to him like angled his body to the camera and was like, so who do you think is here for the wrong reasons? Which I don't like, so what?

Yeah. So what? Yeah. So what. Like the guy maybe for all we know like he was like, oh, this is what I'm supposed to do. Like this is what I've seen happen on the show. Like he might have just been like, I feel really awkward. I don't know what to do. I'm going to do what I think is the right thing. Also, there's seven cameras in front of your face. Like, he's never done it before. So, yeah, he's probably just trying to do it correctly. But I feel like you got to give people a little grace. But so everyone's up to date, which I'm assuming you are.

I'm assuming you've watched. This all started because the guys posted on social media, their cast photo. And underneath it, they hashtag, FP. I don't know if it was a hashtag. I think they just put FPs. Oh, yeah. Yeah, maybe it was just FP. which stands for fuck Peter

because they all kind of got together and they were like fuck that guy we don't like him. Yeah, I guess it ended up being like a running joke for the rest of the season which like this guy went home night one he clearly made such an impact and all of these people for them to have talked

about him this long but they all were like screw Peter he sucks all season and then I guess at the meeting that you have before the show airs where they kind of just run you through the do's and don'ts coming up he was asking a lot of questions making a lot of jokes and after that they decided to put

fuck peter at the ends of their captions for all their cast photos i think there was like 14 of them that did it so not an insignificant number it was probably like in the group chat with most of the cast where they decided oh ha ha this is going to be so funny yeah what are your thoughts on this well i don't think it was funny and i i think it's i think it's just mean um now like you know I guess in the guys, if I'm going to defend them in any way, it would be like, yeah, would anyone really know what FP meant? No, but you have to assume if they're all doing it, people are going to try to be, people are going to try to figure it out. Well, the way that he found out is Raiden ended up telling him. Yeah. And it just, it just seemed, it just, honestly, it was just like rude and mean and childish and like, like, yeah, like, why?

Like, how old are you guys? It was ridiculous. Honestly, like, I was cringing the whole time, especially when they were all trying to defend themselves and be like, oh, my God, Peter, like, get over it. Like, it's not that big of a deal. Like, you wouldn't even have known what it meant if, like, Brayden didn't tell you.

It's like, that doesn't neglect the fact that you literally 14 of you are so consumed by this guy, Peter, that you put fuck Peter in your bios. Like, I just think it's ridiculous. I think it's so rude. I don't think it's fine. personally. Like the fact that they all sat in this group chat and like spent their time making a joke out of putting someone else down. And the only person that apologized for it was Xavier, which I thought was really nice. And Braden because he told obviously. And Braden. But I also don't. There's okay. So let's just end this topic here because there's not much more to talk about it. But there's obviously there's obviously more to the story that we're eventually I would assume going to. to see because there's got you have Aaron and um Aaron S Aaron S and Caleb who started it were still

kind of like fuck you yeah like coming at him still mad at him so there has to be so there I'm assuming we're going to see something else Aaron S was like you like I think I literally wrote down what he said Aaron S said you are a bitch and he was like you're fake like he stood by everything he did not have any remorse for what they did and there still seem to be like a lot of like anger like I feel like something must have happened also recently also like also like he's mad at someone who like pissed him off night one on the bachelor like months ago also like people going on reality TV shouldn't call other people on reality TV fake it's kind of like you guys are all everyone's a little fake well you're all put you're all like like you're all like you're still like going on reality

TV like I don't know whatever I just think it's I thought just the whole thing was ridiculous but I think we'll eventually see some more. I think the perfect word for it is it was really childish. And I just don't think. And rude. And the fact that they were like it was an inside joke like trying to defend that it's okay because it was a secret. Like it's never funny to make a whole joke with 14 guys putting down one other guy

that you don't even know. Yeah. And how's he even supposed to respond? Yeah. And then they're judging him on his response. So let's just let's move on. We get a hot seat. Of course, Braden gets the first hot seat with Jesse.

and basically just kind of expresses that he he got to the point with the process it didn't really have much to do a charity he just couldn't get down on one knee and that's when he decided to tell her that he was leaving I mean really that's yeah I don't think there's really much more to say about it

if I'm being honest I mean we've covered the brain and stuff start to finish we had a good interview with him that people can hear more of what he has to say. But I think we're ready to move on from Bachelorette Brayden to Bachelor in Paradise Braiden, which is what we saw in his hot seat. He looks like he has a good connection with Kat from Zach's season. And I think there'll be a lot of people that criticize him like, oh, like the Bachelorette didn't work for you. And now you're going on another reality show. But I will say to those people, like Bachelor and Paradise format is so different. And just because

Bachelor or Bachelorette didn't work for you does not mean Paradise will not. Yeah. And I do want to mention the one funny thing that he said, which was true is that he, there was no one in the driver's seat in that bus. And they kept, Aaron B. kept saying hit the gas and was like, there's nobody in there. That was so funny. That was funny. Okay. So yeah, we're going to see more abbreviated. Like him or not. He makes for great TV. We like him. And I can't wait to watch him on Paradise because I think he's going to be entertaining. And I want to declare something right now on Paradise, when we recap Paradise, which I'm so excited for, we are not going to be talking about Brayden's earrings anymore, are we? No.

I feel like we can put that topic to bed. Aaron's or Brayden's earrings, we put that to bed and any Yosef jokes need to be put the back. We can put that to bed too. That needs a thought. You know, I think we've, we should just let her rest. She doesn't need to be made a joke anymore. Yeah, at this point, this girl has graduated college. Because it's been going on that long.

Okay. Next hot seat is probably the one that everyone was waiting the most to see. And that is Xavier. Now, we saw Xavier's exit. And, you know, we already discussed, you know, his conversation with charity and how rough. And he basically just couldn't. he couldn't admit that he couldn't come to terms with that he wouldn't ever cheat seeing it again on the men tell all this is one of the most unique situations i've seen on the show in a while like i don't think there's ever been a contestant breakup where it's like i'm sending you home because you can't promise you won't cheat on me yeah and and and he's i think he's still like he said he got a therapist he's working on himself like

I just I think it's as simple as the guy just isn't isn't ready yet and I think that's I think it's you know I think his biggest fault on this show was not telling charity earlier because she he for anyone really that's going to be a deal breaker but that's something that she should have known

earlier because that would have gave somebody like Aaron B the opportunity to stick around 100%. And usually I would say like, oh, you know, Aaron B or whatever wasn't going to be a person anyway. So like it doesn't matter. But she actually had a really strong connection with Aaron B. I mean, we see he's back potentially now. And I think 100% she would have sent Xavier home and kept Aaron B and continued furthering that connection, which was actually very strong had she known in advance. He waited too long. Like it's as simple as that. But I think it's good that he's working on himself. Yeah, my takeaway. is the same as yours. He has a fear of committing someone for the rest of his life. That's normal. That's okay. Yeah. But his fear seems to be a big indicator that he's just not ready and maybe doesn't want to do it yet and that's okay. And the fact that he doesn't feel confident in himself not to cheat on someone, like you need to work through that independently before

you get into a serious relationship. Like you can't, like if you came to me and you're like, I'm scared I'm not going to cheat on you. Well, we're married. But if this was early on, I would be like, you got to go fix that before we get into a relationship. Like, I can't help you with that. Yeah, 100%. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential.

I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills. And I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. when you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like go you, go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy.

complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think Democrats have, for a very long time, allow Republicans to play them. So essentially, Republicans came up with a narrative, and Democrats decided to play into that. And that only hurt the Democrats. I'm Kitty Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic Representative of Texas, is not known for holding back. And our recent chat on Next Question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense.

It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender, that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally, like, I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah.

Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The U.S. Open is here. And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing his story. The predictions will we see a first-time winner and the pressure. Billy Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know.

Plus, the stories and events off the court and, of course, the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open. The U.S. Open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about Icon Venus Williams' recent wildcard bids, or the young Canadian, Victoria Mboko, making a name for herself?

How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an IHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with deep blue sports and entertainment on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. So, yeah. That's kind of, I mean, that's really all, I think we need to touch on that hot seat. And then we just move right into charity.

Did I feel like there wasn't a lot of hot seats in this? It was literally Braden, Xavier, Charity. Hot Sean gave himself one. Hot Sean gave himself one. That was funny. That was funny. Good for him. Yeah, I just, I think she had really strong connections with the guys at the end.

Her final four guys. And Braden. Yeah. And other than that, the connections were all very. there won't i don't think they were really there and i think we saw that like somebody like tanner who went really far i love tanner yeah i think he's i think he's a great guy i think he's a great guy like i i hope he goes to paradise because i think if he has a connection he'll really shine he just seems like such a good guy yeah i i agree but like you don't really give him a hot seat

at at the mental all because there he doesn't have much to talk about because we we saw We saw what the relationship was and it really wasn't much. And I'm sure there was more than what we saw, but like, it's hard when you don't get a one-on-one to then get a hot seat. Yeah. Because we aren't that invested in that relationship as viewers. Yeah. So they bring charity out, talk about, talk about basically just kind of run through her season. First thing that happens, Charity, Braden, they talk.

I think it was handled mature on both of their ends. Yes. Her kind of main points were that she didn't like how he spoke. to the guys about her, which I think is fair. I think he definitely was more careful with his word choices with charity than he was when he was chatting with the guys. And then she felt like she gave him too much grace on the show, which I think is, you know, hindsight's always 20-20.

Sure. Yeah. And I think she liked them. So you might as well keep him around. And, you know, if Braden was able to make it work, who knows what could have happened. Yeah, you want to keep the people that you have a connection with. But yeah, but that's it for them. And I think, you know, we wrap that.

And we're going to see more of Braden, like we said, in paradise. Hotchon, like we just mentioned, comes up, gives himself a hot seat, funny moment. That was. I really hope he better be in paradise. He better be in paradise. That was so funny to me because he did it with such confidence. And I felt like it wasn't spontaneous. Like in the moment he was like, this is my, this is going to be great.

I'm going to go out there and I'm going to, you know, have this intimate vote with Charity. And Charity's body language to him was literally like, leaned away from him just in shock. And so was Jesse's the whole time. And then Jesse was like, Sean, get out of here. Like, you don't get a hot seat. Yeah. Very funny. And then we have Charity, Xavier.

They talk. This is kind of what I believe people are going to want to see. Oh, you skipped over John B. What about him? Well, him and Charity had a little chit-chat moment. Yeah, they had a chit-chat moment. But I put John B in the same category with Tanner. I think they're really nice guys.

I just don't think there was a real connection there. Yeah. So, I mean, sure. But I think she, I mean, they're good-looking nice guys. So there's nothing that she wouldn't like about him. It just wasn't the guy. Yeah, wasn't the guy for her. And then we have, okay, so Charity, Xavier, they have that conversation.

the first point Charity brings up is, yeah, you should have had that conversation with me sooner. And we actually asked Charity about that in our interview with her, what she would have done if Xavier told her earlier. Yeah. What'd she say? Tune in. Huh? Tune in and find out. I have to tune in, too.

I have to re-listen. Joe, go back and listen. Yeah, I have to re-listen. And yeah, it's kind of the same thing. He's like Xavier, you know, I think he's now aware like he was, he should have had that conversation earlier. He kept saying, I don't want to cheat. When charity's like, you should say, I won't cheat, which is, which, yeah, if you're about to get down on one knee. But the thing is, is I don't think he would have been, I think he would have been lying if he said, I won't cheat on you.

Yeah. I think his honest answer was, I don't want to cheat on you. I think that's as much as he could give her. Yeah, which is all we could, I mean, I guess like, yeah, like, at the end of the day one thing that's true is Xavier is honest so if he does if he does cheat on you in the future he's probably going to tell you that's the one thing you can be certain now is he will tell you that he cheated but he might cheat he he's honest I mean he was honest like you can't you can't fault him for that yeah because he very well could have a not told charity at all yeah or B told her and fed her a bunch of bullshit of like I would never do it again which is obviously not how he feels like it would like people don't like I guess like if you are going to give him

some credit yeah it is telling her regardless of when he told her like he did tell her like there are people that potentially would have went on the show could have went all the way got down on one knee and then tell her you know two months down the row yeah so you know that I guess her hearing it late is still better than not hearing it till after a potential engagement. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, there's a lot of worst case scenarios. Yeah.

There's a lot of other situations that could be a lot worse. I'm paying devil's advocate here. No, I know. You like Xavier and I think that he. No, yeah. I mean, I don't really know him that well. He seems to be, yeah, like at the end of the day, like, you know, no one's perfect. I don't think anyone, he's not a bad person.

I just think he, like Charity said, dug himself a hole and just kept digging himself deeper and deeper in this situation. Yeah. But it's all okay because he does knit her a rose. He does. One thing I jotted down on my notes was the music that was played when he, when he was bringing the knit at rose, I was like, what sometimes I get confused with the show where I'm like, is this a nice, dramatic scene or is this a comedic scene? I can't. I honestly, I can't tell which way this is going.

Because to me, I was like, this is... What did you think he was doing when he said, I'm going to get up for a second? I just figured he was going to get to give her something that was meaningful to both of them. Yeah. But like, it's also, like, I just feel like, once you hit, like, once you go to the mental all,

like, Xavier, you are no, like, yeah, like, she hopefully chose someone else. So, like, also kind of know that. like there's another guy now you know so it's like you felt like he was overstepping no i don't think he overstepped with the rose but like he could have overstepped like when he got up i'm saying when you're like what did what do you think he was going to do wait i'm sorry what are you saying right now you said what are you i'm saying sometimes the end guys will like well basically be like i still love you and if it doesn't work out like i'm here yeah and

just like they'll sometimes i feel like I don't know. Like on like social media, they like post at the end. And I'm kind of like, yeah, but you know, it wasn't. There's like another guy now. I mean, we don't know that though. And I guess he's thinking like, hey, if you're not with someone or if you're with someone that's not working out, like, you know, just tests in the waters here. But yeah, it is. I think there's, I think it's hard. And I think there's a fine line, especially with the final four of being like, you know, this awkward region of I had this really intimate. relationship with you, and you were the only person I was in a relationship with for that period of time. And I feel very close to you, even if it's just like a friendship now. So I want to like be kind and supportive. But like I don't want to come across as like, I'm trying to hit on you still. Like I do think it's an awkward relationship that like any of the final four has with the lead. Sure. Just to like give him a little bit of credit. And I'm assuming I don't think

she kept. Do you think she kept the rose? I don't think she kept the rose. Sorry, Xavier. If you're listening to this, I don't think she kept your rose. I don't think she kept that rose. Especially if she's with someone else, you can't keep that rose. No, you can't keep the rose. Okay, so then that's basically that's basically that we see bloopers. We do see the man from New Orleans give hot Sean a rose, which was a nice, nice sweet moment. That was an interesting one.

I felt too much for Tanner. I just felt like shod outshined him a little bit on that two on one day. And then they bring back the guy on the boat to be like, You were my favorite, too. I was like, come on. Yeah. And then we have some ex-bachelorette's come back to give charity some advice. And we've seen, we just had Trista on our last episode of Happy Hour.

If you didn't check it out, check it out. But Trista, Deanna, and Desiree. Yes. So Trista was the first ever Bachelorette season one. And now we're at season 20, which is incredible. So she's celebrating her 20th anniversary with her husband. She has two beautiful kids. And then Deanna is season four.

And this is her first return to the franchise after her divorce. So, you know, maybe we'll see her again. Maybe in quite a few years golden bachelorette territory. She's got time. And she's still single, which she seems like a total catch. I doubt she will be. And then Desiree was season nine who is still with her guy to this day. and I believe has two children as well.

So a great panel of Bachelorette's to give charity some advice and some love and support. Yeah, just gave them, you know, yeah, it gave her solid marital advice and just advice for after the show. Yeah, I think that pretty much. It's a big love fest, you know? Yeah, it's a love fest. We love a nice love fest. And then we have the love, the love man himself, Gary, Gary, the Golden Bachelor is out there. Gary's such a gem, just such a sweetheart.

we see his um we saw the that was like the good morning america it was like his package his package um video of who gary is his story in case you hadn't seen it already which i don't know how anyone wouldn't have seen it i feel like it's everywhere yeah yeah and i think people are really really excited for it um you know i can't wait to watch him i can't wait to see what this is right i'm just like patiently waiting for the super teaser for his season where they just so like the big long teaser of everything that's going to happen. And I'm just, I'm so ready for it.

Yeah. I want the cast release. Like, I need more now. I'm just like, itching for more. I'm like, all right.

We're getting to know, Gary. Like, where are these women? What's the drama? Is he a lot yet? Gary, we love you, but we're done with you right now.

We need to see it. Bring on the women. Let's, let's see what's happening with the women. Yeah. And that pretty much, it was, you know,

honestly, it was a tame mental all, you know, didn't really get a fight or anything in there, but it would have been nice to see a couple brawls. But it was pretty tame. Everyone seems chill at the end of the day. And besides the whole weird pilot Pete thing.

What was your favorite part of the episode? My favorite part of the episode has to be, it was the hot shot on going up there and Jesse being like, get the fuck out of here. That was really good. I think my favorite part of the episode was after they did the big teaser for a charity's finale. which be sure to tune in.

They showed Gary talking to all the guys. And it was just like a very candid moment of them being like, Gary, like, you don't need any advice. But like, don't read the comments. But like everyone's going to love you. And you're going to do great. And we're excited. Like it was just cute to see him interacting with the cast. Yeah, I liked that moment.

Yeah. That was nice. All right. Well, that wraps it up. Make sure to tune in later this week to hear all our exclusive interview with some of the the guys from the mental law, trust me, you won't want to miss it. And we have charity herself. So make sure you check it out. And thank you for listening. Thanks. See you soon.

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