Bachelor Happy Hour - Bold Moves For The Bachelor's Heart

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re diving into everything that went down on last night’s episode of “The Bachelor”! We get right into the first group date of the season, where we see some good ol’ “Bachelor” tactics being used right at the top. Will Zoe’s boldness pay off or will we see history repeat itself? Then, we get into Alexe’s one-on-one, or, as Joe puts it, every ’90 kid’s dream. And, of course, we get into the chaos of the second group date, the shocking eliminations, and some great insight from Serena on group date dynamics! Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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drama to come in the house. Yeah, she seems like she seems like the one that's causing some commotion in the house. I couldn't think of the word. You really fought to not say shit. Yeah, I was going to say shitster, but I'm like, it's just such a crude saying. But she seems to be the one that, like, is definitely ruffling some feathers. So you stop. Okay, I'm going to stick with that.

Yeah, she's ruffling some feathers. So we usually don't get those people on the podcast right away. So I'm actually looking forward to talking to her. It is one of those things, like, watching it back. I'm kind of like, all right, like, don't you, don't you girls, like, watch the show before you go on it? because Zoe and then the girl, the New Jersey boxer, Ellie Joe. I feel like you know this isn't going to work off for either of you if you keep this up. And you're already starting.

So like this is just a mistake. Yeah. It's just two archetypes that we've seen again and again and again. And we'll get into it when we get to the group date. Yeah. Let's start off the episode. Shall we? We shall.

So episode two starts with the first group. date of the season and on this group date it is a basketball date we have natalie beverly zoe perisa and chloe on the purple team and then juliana ali joe vicky alicia and seraphina on the yellow team so it's kind of a like a standard size group date i feel like usually at the beginning these group dates have been massive because we've had such huge casts so it's kind of nice like i actually feel i know what you said this i think last week, but I really prefer a 25-person cast. I could look at every girl and probably, I think I could, I'm 90% sure I could get every

girl's name right, like if you show me photos. Yeah, I think you could too. Maybe 95% sure. I don't think I could. Really? No, not right now. I will say out of like the dates that the show repetitively does, like people are really sick you hear like another helicopter this the basketball game any sporting event is always i find

just like i like almost tune out i find it so boring i know i also think though this date was inevitable because there's so much stuff of like grant and basketball basketball and grant that they were going to incorporate basketball on a date in some way and i feel like it was like let's just get this one out of the way well they either it's either basketball or football and sometimes like i think the golden men we saw let's get a new athlete in here let's get a rugby player well joey was tennis joey was tennis and i liked that because it was different yeah and that's not to say i don't like grant because he plays basketball it's just we see you're right it's always a basketball date or it's a football date yeah they have to they have and honestly most of the girls don't are like i don't know how to

play this yeah let's like most of girls are like I don't play the sport and now I'm being forced to and someone's probably going to get hurt and I'm out immediately I'm 5-2 like there's no chance for me on a basketball date like some of these girls are tall are tall yeah you're not one of those I wouldn't be one of those girls no I'm out here representing the short gals who thrive close to the ground not jumping up well Zoe's the one that actually thrived during this during the basketball game but then she so we see she pulled was it after the basketball game or before it was like during warm up slash training okay yeah so we have kids come out yeah and grant wants to see how the women interact with the children with the children you're gonna make fun of everything I say today I'm sorry no actually it's fine it's fine I appreciate it's a form of flattery I So the children come out and they're like, you guys are all going to dunk or shoot or whatever

the activity is. And Zoe goes second and she's like, I'm actually just going to steal you. And not only I'm going to steal you, I'm going to take you like 10 floors up away from everyone. I'm going to get you in an elevator. I couldn't believe she got him in an elevator. I was like, it's one thing to take him around the corner. Like, this is minimum 20 to 30 minutes. I mean, this is the exact, exact same thing that Devin.

did with Jen they're on a group date it's the first group date of this fucking season and he takes her somewhere else to go get ice cream so he takes grant somewhere else to go chat her whole thing is shooters are going to shoot and I shot my shot and that's why I'm here um I've always kind of cited with that mentality but in but I guess like I'm just so used so like kind of sick of seeing it where I'm like there are other people maybe you know pay attention to that it's really early on in the season it just it honestly it's kind of unnecessary yeah I don't know I wasn't expecting that move she is still here so it obviously worked for her in some capacity but you have to know that doing something like that you're putting a target on your back you're making enemies with the

girls in the house which is thing which is going to leave comfortable with that yeah and it's also it's going to lead to you being involved in drama and that person never ends up with the lead yeah except actually except for jenn's season yeah but you know that didn't work out yeah um so i i don't know either but we will chat with her more about it the MVP of the date was chloe I love her. You know her, right? Or you don't know her, a friend of a... No, you're thinking of someone else.

I'm thinking of the girl that gets the group date rows. But Chloe gets the MVP award. I liked it when Grant was in a huddle with the girls, was like, guys, I'm not looking for Michael Jordan here. Like, I'm just looking for you to have fun. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, thank God, because you're on the wrong show

if you're looking for a basketball player wife. I think there was probably a hand. There's always going to be a handful of like, really like serious competitive people and then usually the rest of them are like yeah no no shit we're not michael jordan and nor do we want to be you know what i liked on joey's season is they they did like a pickleball date where they made them wear those crazy outfits yeah so you see a little more of their personality yeah that you saw more of their personality it also just made it not feel so bone dry of like it's just a tennis match or it's just a pickleball match

I feel like we need to start zesting up these games games yeah I agree um night portion the girls are beefing with Zoe yeah it's really and then we see like the the feud of Ali Joe and Zoe Ali Joe and Zoddy which will alley Joe got way mad and I thought she was going to Yeah. And also, I also like, I understand that the girls are upset about it. It's like if I was on the group date and one person literally takes the leave that we're all kind of just meeting and go somewhere else, I would kind of be like, all right, you know what? Like this is annoying. But to get like over the top mad about it is just not a good look for you. So. I think. my opinion is if someone steals extra time during the day, the night portion of a group date is a fresh slate. Just because I got time with them during the day or I got extra time or I got the MVP or I got an extra five minutes in the hot tub does not mean that that person needs to forego any time for the sake of the group on the night portion of the date. It is a

new date. It is completely separate. So I don't think Zoe did anything wrong by taking time with him before other girls got time with him. At the end of the day, she's still going to, she still deserves time. It's, again, it's a new portion of the day. She's not going to be like, did everyone go? Okay, now I can

go. Like, I would never expect anyone to do that. I think where she crosses the line or takes a risk is when she... The basketball game. No, I don't actually even know what you're talking about. Go ahead. I was going to say Allie Joe takes him. They're having

a conversation and then Zoe interrupts no no no sorry Allie Joe interrupts Zoe and then Zoe interrupts Ali Joe. It's like you have your time. If you get cut short, you're done. Bow out. Get your ass back to the couch. Get a drink. Chill. It's over. If you want to take that step to be like, I'm going to butt in again. It's like do it. But like you have to be prepared that you're going to push some buttons but she actually seems prepared to push buttons. Zoe? Yeah, she doesn't seem like she's going to back down. She seems to be someone that accepts the consequences of what comes with her doing something that's not going to please the rest of the girls. Because she doesn't seem shocked or rattled or confused or like she's not victimizing herself when they're upset with her.

Yeah. She's like, you could do it too. And I wouldn't be if you want to go for it and you want to go head to head like I'm down which I kind of respect because I feel like we see a lot of people do this and then they're like well I'm just trying to get my time with him and you're like okay but you know you're doing something shady like let's let's all just be straight with what's happening here and she at least is like owning it yeah which I respect yeah I agree I mean she's there she's there to get grant and that's the only reason she's there and I think I don't know if I foresee in the future or the rest of this season Zoe

being like this villain I kind of feel like this may be like the end of it for her? Yeah I not the end of her season just kind of like she's not going to play it this way anymore

yeah because I just she seems pretty she seems like smart where I think she's going to pick up on the fact that like if I do keep doing this I'm just going to be involved with Kate Kelly

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She's very sweet. She's sweet, very likable. And I really like that Grant gave her the rose. I like, yeah, I think that was a good choice. Because it was kind of like, listen, I gave a rose to the person that I saw some really great qualities in. Yeah, she was just herself. and she was intentional with her time that she got.

Okay, next we have the one-on-one date with Alex, who no surprise there, because she got the first impression rose, which meant she also got the first one-on-one date of the season. Yeah, they shut down a mall. Every child's... It's my dream. Yeah, especially if you're like a kid from the 90s.

Like malls were like... The coolest place ever. Yeah, there was like nothing better than a mall. When I was little, I was like, if my parents were billionaires, I would be like for my birthday all I want is for you to shut down a mall and keep all the stores open so I can like go try on the clothes and play with the makeup and like sleep in the furniture store like that was my dream there was a movie when I was a kid growing up that I was obsessed with called blank check and he's like a 12 year old not even he's probably like 10 and he gets a blank check and he just and he puts like a million dollars in it and he just goes and like to the mall and it's like I'm like this is the best. One million dollars. I forget what it was,

but it was, he got like, he got hit by a car and the guy's like basically like this like half-ass gangster type of guy. And he's like, here you go kid and gives him a blank check and doesn't like realize what he did. And then like the kid's like, I don't want to spend all your money.

And he goes wild. That's crazy. That doesn't surprise me that that was a movie that you loved. But what do we think? What do we think about Alex? I don't think we got to break down the entire date. But like, do we think they're into each other? Do we think this date?

I feel like she said she felt awkward when he was singing to her. And I kind of felt that. Yeah. Which is fair. I think it's just, I think it's nice and like a sweet thing to do. But it's hard for it not to be a little awkward the first time it happens. Because it's new. Like they just started.

Hanging out. Yeah. I think I really like her a lot. I don't know if I feel the romance between them necessarily. Yeah, either do I. I think that she's someone that may take a little more time to be vulnerable and open up. I know that she told him about her family upbringing, how she was raised by her grandparents, and like in a less traditional household.

But I don't feel like she like. is super comfortable talking about herself and her life and things that she's been through. I feel like we saw more of like a fun, playful, goofy side of her this date. And I think that as she gets to know him more, the romance might come as she relaxes and opens up. But I also don't know if it will or not. It might not even be that. There might just not really be a romantic connection. I think she's going to have a tough time on this show.

Really? Why? Because I think it's hard for her to be vulnerable. Yeah. And I think we see so many, and usually, usually those people end up going pretty far. And when they finally have a breakthrough, they get sent home. I know. But like I, by the time they get there, it's like too late. But I, she, or they do it as like a last effort.

Yeah. Like they feel like they're going to go home. So they like decide to open up to try to, you know, fight for the relationship. But it's too late. She, to me is. Alex is really like prime candidate for paradise there's so many girls on this season that I'm like okay it's probably not you but like you're gonna be so good for paradise yeah and she's one of them yeah but either way the date ends and it ends well yes it ends well they definitely get a long rate there's you know maybe not the most romantic connection but there's still a connection there I think she was also like the best person for the first one-on-one with Grant because I do think he is a little more chill, can be a little more... I mean, I still think she's going to be there until the end.

Yeah, yeah. She's going to be there for a while. But I just think that she's a great pick for the first date because she's so fun and she can kind of make Grant feel comfortable and just enjoy himself as The Bachelor. It doesn't always have to be so serious, right? We're still at the beginning of the show. Yeah. Alrighty.

Next group date. What did we think? We have Latia, Carolina, Rose, Ella, Bailey, Dina, and Rebecca on this date. So I will say I thought this one started out. I was like, this group is more fun. They're way more chill. They just seem like they're here to have a good time. Yeah, you said that right away.

You're like, this group feels less intense, less serious, less competitive. But the night portion went like opposite of that. But I think we take it back. Yeah. I think we were swayed by the environment that they were put in, you know? Yeah, yeah, but I felt like the date itself, those, I think those dates are fun, but the biggest, the biggest thing in this date was Carolina, like, dancing on Grant and then them making out, which does another thing we always see on the show, like one person makes out with the lead pretty early in front of the group and the group.

I don't think the groups used to get upset. I think they've always gotten upset. Really? Yeah. At least on The Bachelor, they do. This group seems to be really upset. I don't think they seem to be really upset at Carolina. I think they're just a little upset at like this.

I think they are realizing this situation is a lot more difficult than I thought it was going to be. Yeah. And I think that with dates like this, you know, the basketball date, you can kind of screw around and you're still going to be fine. you know what I mean but these days you're like all the eyes are on you for like your little moment you're getting dressed up you're putting yourself out of your comfort zone you're trying really hard to like make him notice you you're so vulnerable on these dates like the performance style dates yeah and you're like I watch it I watch it and just feel I wear their embarrassment I feel I feel for them yeah I feel for them too and it's like you leave those being like I feel kind

of embarrassed. I feel kind of silly. Maybe I had a good time, but like you want that validation that like it wasn't for nothing. So I think it just hurts that much more when someone else gets the rose or the special attention at the end of the date. Whereas the basketball date, I'd be like, yeah, like no shit. I'm not the MVP. Like I literally sucked today. And I'm okay with it. You know, like this is my strength. And like I could only put in so much effort here. Yeah. So I just think that's where the sensitivity comes from. I also think it's the first time that someone's like making it with him in your face yeah for the first time you're seeing my advice for that is like

literally don't look like look away like whenever I watch the girls just like staring at carolina straddling grant I'm like look away like ignorance is bliss like you don't have to watch this like look at your feet turn around anything like you'll feel a lot better like you're just torturing yourself yeah and then I think

all the like the mood at the night portion Grant's like the mood's off and Carolina makes it makes kind of makes herself the victim yeah I was kind of surprised by her reaction I don't know if I've seen that really before well yeah because I don't think any of the women were like you're a fucking you suck yeah like I think they were just like this situation sucks but it didn't seem to me at least from what we saw that any of the women were like blaming her for what she did not at all

that's not how I took it either it seems that's how she took it obviously but I mean, that's how the women were, they were definitely blaming, the first group was definitely blaming Zoe, like, we don't like what you did. Yes, yes. And then I think this one was more like, we just don't really love the situation that we're all in, including you, but it's not your fault. That's how I took it as well. And it seemed to be she wasn't really in tune with the rest of the group because they were talking about how the vibes are down and the vibes are off. And she was like, do you guys think the vibes are off? And it's like, oh, Carolina, you're living in your own little world right now.

Like you're on a high from your dance session with Grant and you're not tuning into the fact that like it can be really exciting and a happy moment for you. And it can also be disappointing and uncomfortable for the other girls. And like both those things can exist at the same time. Them being disappointed, she was like almost felt like it took away from her. Like she really flipped it. So she felt victimized by their disappointment and happiness, despite the fact I really don't think it was meant to be like, you're the problem. I think it's just the reality of the situation they're in and they're just learning that for the first time in a hard way. For sure.

Yeah. Well said. I think we see he has a conversation with Latia that starts off a little like a little wonky, but I think it went I think it went pretty well. think he really likes her I think she's somebody who is expressing pretty early on that she's there to like find her husband and I think that's pretty evident what did you think of what Grant said to her on night one saying what did he say he said you're somebody that gets what you want I think he said you don't get told you don't get told no you must you probably don't get told no a lot you're so beautiful or something like that yeah I I think grant meant that to be a

a major compliment like i don't think it came across like one i think in his head he was saying it in a flirtatious tone in a way of like you never get told no because you're hot yeah and that's like guys must be all over you like there's no way you like anyone's turning you down or rejecting you like he definitely meant it as like a pickup line he meant it is he meant it as he meant it as a pick up line and I think he meant yeah I think he thought she was going to be flattered and I think it kind of came out like you don't ever get told no I actually don't know his delivery was not a 10 out of 10 but I wouldn't say it was a fumble either I think he just said something that was meant to be passive and light and it hit a sore spot for her obviously yeah because she was

upset about it kudos to her for like you know we're only on week two she's spoken to this guy one time this is like her second conversation and she's immediately like hey you said something that pissed me off last week like that's i don't know if i would have the balls to do that right out of the gate and i i i in grant's defense like i think like if like if letia's at a bar in new york city you know and she walks up to a guy i would say nine in three-quartered quarters out of ten are none of them are like turning her down yeah it's just it's i just really and i kind of think that's what he meant and i think she may have taken it as like in total in my life like there's been some really hard things that have happened to me and i've

gotten some hard nose so for you to say that i'm just like this pretty face who always gets told yes there's so much more to me than that yeah so i think it was a good opportunity for It's kind of a miscommunication or just, yeah, just a miscommunication. I think it was, again, like just something that he said that was meant to be light that hit a sore spot for her. I also think she seems to be really eager and ready for marriage and kids in this next phase of her life. And she probably is like, you know, if everyone told me yes, I would have that.

And I don't. And it's something I want. And that's something that I struggle with. well she got the group date rose so she got a yes there she got a yes there and i think she was the right person to give the group date rose to as well because she was really vulnerable with him yeah i'm jemail hill hosted the sports and politics podcast politics and on the latest episode of politics house minority leader hakeem jeffreys joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the democratic party what do republicans say to you privately that they

won't say publicly. Many of them are in fear of their political lives. And that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.

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and in her conversation with grant she definitely seems to be spiraling a little bit and I think she's very overwhelmed and unfortunately I think it's getting the best of her and I think it's going to be a little hard for her at least from what we're seeing in episode. so too for her to like make a comeback here we also see in the promo she's crying essentially saying she thinks she's going home yeah so it might have been you know a quick spark that fizzled out with the two of them or she's just really gotten in her head and it's kind of her own worst enemy here i think she's someone that if she doesn't get a one-on-one date sooner than later she won't be able to handle it yeah who somebody Bailey also is having that problem oh you know who else was like that she was on Zach's season oh uh Jess baby Jess yeah yeah yeah the thing with baby Jess though is Zach wasn't interested in her and that's what it was like literally the week before hometowns and she hadn't gotten a one-on-one date whereas I think it's it's a little

too early to have it be like I don't think he's into me but he's reassuring me but I'm not getting that one-on-one yet yeah just waited like all season for one before she was like what the hell's going on yeah i think rose needs to wait till for to like episode five she's got to wait to episode five but you know it's easier than not when you're and when you're and when you're in these when you're in this situation like i do forget like watching it i'm like what are they freaking out about it's like episode two like what or you know it's whatever but it feels so much longer but i forget how i feel like yeah it's days they've been there for like a week at this point and not even that like you know a couple days in this world feels

like a lot because you all you you're you for the most part you're really just kind of like talking about your past your feelings what you want and all you're talking and thinking about is the show that you're on and love and love it's like all you're thinking about and if you're going to get it or not um like when you're in the real world you're like what am i going to have for lunch dinner like uh you know money am i going to the gym yeah doom scrolling on instagram yeah a million different you got so much going on when you're in uh when you're in uh when you're in bachelor world yeah all that matters is your heart your heart and your time with grant yeah i am worried about rose i'm actually yeah i don't know we're gonna we'll see how this plays

out next week i hope that she kind of um i don't want to say like locks it up because like she has every right to be panicked and emotional but just kind of like relaxes into the process a little bit if she doesn't i think that's totally okay it's incredibly overwhelming i feel like i I can lump Bailey into this too. I think they would both be great in paradise and sometimes it just takes a different format and, you know, a little bit of time to prepare to go back into it again

and have just, you know, more set expectations of what you're getting yourself into. I will say, yes, and I will say my predictions for the season have definitely changed just after episode two. Yeah. Do you want to share? I will say that I felt like Alex and Zoe were going to be like, like his bottom, his top two.

Yeah. I don't think that anymore. Do you have any other names that you feel will replace those two in the final spots? I felt strongly about Latia and I still do. I think she, I think her. And it seems like she didn't really, nothing major really stood out on the dates. But I would say Juliana, who I was like, giving me bachelor's vibes still is kind of giving me those vibes but also her conversations

her just little conversations with grant they they seem to really like each other there seems to be like a real connection yeah so I put her up there but she was always a both like litia and her were always up there but my two frontrunners were Zoe and Alex and they are no longer my frontrunners all right sorry Zoe and Alex if you're listening to to this you're you're cut whatever it's fine like you're still you're still in the top um any thoughts on bailey's conversation with grant and she's doing i like bailey i know i actually think bailey's one of the more entertaining people to watch on the show she's got a really good personality yeah yeah she shines on on television and she was and her being like no it's okay

i've been crying all day i was like she's so real for that yeah i she's actually yeah one of my favorite people on this season i but i think she's going to have a hard time too she's going to have a hard time yeah yeah she's she's she's gonna yeah it's gonna be tough she's she's another one then i'm just like yeah go to paradise and unfortunately for bailey and rose i don't know if i see either of those two getting the one-on-one next week which i feel like is kind of what both of them need yeah to feel reassured that you know they're not just going through this for nothing yeah and then uh before we wrap any surprises on people not getting roses yeah ella because we literally see her like snuggling with grant and she's reading him this letter that she's written and it's so sweet and he's like oh my gosh

can I keep this she's like yeah of course he's like laying on her shoulder just like an abundance of physical affection is happening and then she's like I really can see him and I together at the end of this which I was like okay you know let's too soon too soon for that but like also I get it you know you just had a great chat you're feeling good you're on a high and then bam she's gone I was like Grant

you tricked me I can't imagine how Ella felt yeah but other than Ella we lost Rebecca we lost Vicky um Rebecca was the woman that yes

Rebecca was who he pulled right away to ask about like the vibes being off i feel bad when that person goes me too because he put her in a position to like almost kind of like rat on the group yeah and you're and you're also saying like you are giving me trustworthy vibes and like yeah it's basically saying you i trust what you have to say and then he sends her home yeah yeah it's like i would feel really confused. Yeah, I feel it's more, yeah, I feel bad because it's like she

it's like saying you have been friend zoned and now you're gone. Yeah. I guess I guess honestly though, if he knows like, hey I actually rather him send home somebody like Ella who's really into him. Yeah.

And he just knows she's way ahead of him. I might like her but she's never going to be the one I pick send her home. Yeah. I I agree with you. Because it's just, it's going to be, it's so much, even though she was really upset, it's so much easier for her to go home right now than it will be in three weeks. In three weeks, it's going to be way worse.

It's going to be so much harder to get over. I agree with you. I think it's, if he knew. You get less screen time, which sucks. If he knew after the conversation, like, she's really into me and I like her a lot, but like she's going to fall way too, like way harder for me and I'm not going to be able to reciprocate. Rebecca, maybe he did trust her, but he's like, I just feel like she's, more of a friend and that's why he asked her about the group because he was like I'm not trying

to further this connection I just want to know what's going on before I chat with some of the other girls yeah so I guess it's yeah I guess it was the right move vicky we didn't see a ton of her um this episode and then Alicia Alicia was like all over episode one she was she was basically the star of episode she narrated like most of the episode she looked amazing we saw her entire conversation with Grant, they kissed. He was like, I really like you and I like your personality. I think you're beautiful. And then not one clip of her in this episode until the end.

I was like, this is so confusing. Why are you doing this to me? Yeah. Well said. I forgot that she went home because she shouldn't have went. Like I don't understand how she went home. Grant's body language is not readable either because he's like snuggling up to the girls that he's cutting.

I can't believe he. I forget that he cut her. Yeah, what? I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't get that. I don't know either. I mean, I get it. You have to cut someone. It's just like, the way the show's unfolding is leading me astray.

Like, like, after episode one, she was, she was, like, I would have bet big money. She was in the top sex. I would have been like she's at least making it midway, bare minimum. She's making it past episode. four or five yeah yeah you know I was like she's she's gotten so much screen time yeah but gone well maybe we'll see her in paradise I feel like she would be a good fit she would be out of everyone that's gone home so far she would be the one that I would say they would pull for paradise as like someone that got sent home early mainly just because she got so much screen time

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