Bachelor Happy Hour - Casey, Our Arbiter of Truth

Episode Date: October 19, 2022

Casey brings his iconic commentary to “Bachelor Happy Hour” this week as he discusses his time on “Paradise”! He addresses it all, from the shocking faint to who he was hoping to meet before his dramatic exit from the beach — there’s nothing our guy won’t share his opinion on. Plus, he gives his perspective on pre-“Paradise” chatting and matchmaking, and shares who he has unfinished business with. Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up about your happy hour? I'm one of your host, Becca Kufrin. And I'm your other host, Michelle Young. And this week we're obviously chatting all about everything that went down on this week of Paradise. But Michelle, what makes me even more excited about today? The day is here. The day has finally come. We are talking to one of our favorites from this season,

King of the geriatric millennials and our ultimate narrator, Mr. Casey himself. Oh, my God. Did you just introduce him as a geriatric millennial? Yes, and I can say that because I feel like I also consider myself a geriatric millennial, Michelle. So it's all good. Well, yes, we do have a lot to cover this week. I'm so excited to talk with Casey, and we do want to get him on here as soon as possible. So before that, we're going to do our little catch-up, and then we'll get started with him.

I cannot wait. How is life, Ben, you've been traveling all over the place? You were just in Kansas City for a game. Now you're back in L.A. Like, catch us all up. Yeah, I was, I had the pleasure of being down on the field with the Chiefs this past weekend. and it was such a fun weekend. I felt a little bit bad

because I felt like I was like a Vikings trader. I definitely... Such a traitor. I know. Okay, but they're in a different conference, okay? They're in a different conference. That makes it okay. It does make it better, maybe,

but also that information came from the Chiefs. That's what the Chiefs fans were telling me to say. But, no, I am still a Vikings heart. I'm still a Vikings fan at heart, but it was awesome. I don't think I've ever been in a stadium that has been so loud and the way that these fans

were able to boo collectively was insane. Wow. For Takes a Village. Yes. It really does. Everyone's on the same page. Speaking of Loud, have you, now that you are in L.A., have you been to the SoFi Stadium yet

for a Rams or Chargers game? I think the Chargers play there too, I'm assuming. I have not. It is the loudest stadium. I have ever bet. Like, Thomas and I went last year and, you know, like, we're sitting one foot away from each other. And I could not hear a damn thing he was saying. It is that loud. It sounds like one of those situations where you leave and then you just have no voice. No voice. Your ears are ringing for like two days. It's, so when you go to that game, one of those games, please let me know. Because we should, we should plan that to go to one of those games. And then I'm also going to like order on Amazon. You know, when you're at all these sporting events and you have the families that are there and they have their kids and they have those headphones

you know that's what I need catch me with some of those that's what I need any sporting event I go to well speaking of sports Thomas would murder me if I didn't give a shout out to the San Diego Padres this week they beat the Dodgers last week and tonight it's the next round

of the playoffs they're playing Philadelphia so when you said that you felt like a traitor. I get it because I of course love the Minnesota Twins. Like, I'm not a big sports gal, shocker. But I do love the twins. I grew watching the Twins baseball. And so Thomas has slowly been trying to convert

me into a Padres fan and I'm like, but I still love the Twins, but they're in different leagues or divisions, whatever it is. So I feel like it's okay. So it's okay. So I understand where you're coming from with the Chief's Viking situation. Okay, wait. I saw you, because I saw him on social media. He was like

on, it was either his story or your story and it was so cute because like there's a spring champagne. No, it was a beer. It was a Miller high life. He was spraying all over. Yes, it was not champagne. It looked like a large champagne bottle. It was beer. It was beer and then he

proceeded to pour it on his head and and it's his favorite bucket hat that he poured it on and he refused to wash it because he said it was good luck. I'm like, you're disgusting, you stink. You're washing this shit. Okay, you said there's a game tonight?

Yes. Is he going to wear how much you want to bet he's going to wear that hat? Like sitting, are you going to go to a bar? Are you going to watch it at home? No, we're going to the game. We got tickets to the game. Oh, you're going to the game. Oh, he's 100% wearing that beer smelling bucket hat.

Yeah, he will not wash the hat. And now he like, he never, ever used to smoke cigars, but his best friend got married a month ago. And now every time, so he smoked his first cigar. at this wedding and now every time the Padres win they have to go to the cigar bar so he like comes from smelling like beer all over his head cigar I'm like you are rancid but I love you but yeah he's going to like smell like a full on cigar beer lounge tonight at this game and please tell me he's ready before he gets in bed oh yeah I don't let him lay down without

without showering at least um no so yeah shout out pods again i'm not like the biggest sports gal but but i will say there's something to be said for like when you're in an area where everybody like the energy is off the walls everyone is just like so invested in their team it was really special it was like the first big big game that i've been part of since i've lived in san diego so it was a really cool experience but i've definitely had my fair share of sports in the past week Well, what would you say is, like, your favorite, like, sports activity to go to? Would you say, like, it's baseball, football, basketball, hockey? You don't seem like a hockey person.

No, no, no. Actually, growing up, because my cousins played hockey and my boyfriend's in high school played hockey. I love hockey. I love how fast-paced it is. Yeah. Like, football, I can't get into football. It's too slow. I just, I would rather go and get hot dogs or corn dogs.

Like, that's all I care about. But, um... Okay, don't get me wrong. When I'm going to these sporting events, I do. I love, like, the feel of being around sports. Sometimes, though, I will go in. I did watch the game this past weekend. But a lot of times I will go to these events.

And then I get caught socializing, eating all the food, like everything that I put down, I probably, you know, I spend as much time eating, if not more, than actually watching the game. Don't give me that. Oh, the first Padres game I ever went to, Michelle, I got one thing, one of everything off the menu. I had hot dogs, I had nachos, I had tacos, I had a burger. We had like chicken sliders. I legit ate my weight that night and I was so happy. It was the best. It was like I was living my high life.

Yeah, let's go. Well, it is the moment that we've been waiting for. We've been asking for Casey to come on the podcast for the longest time. And Beck and I typically, we do a recap of. of each episode before our guest comes on, but because Casey is known for his just commentary and nobody can do it better than Casey at this point. So we figured we'd bring him on right away

and we'd let him do the recap. So welcome Casey, woo. Welcome Casey. Thank you so much for having me. I feel like you just are so proper right now. Like buttoned up, like, how you feeling? I listened one button for you. up a little bit Casey you know I'm hopping off a work call so not in paradise at the moment well

we're going to take you back to paradise it's like you never left the beach he's like oh shit yeah it's like I don't want to be part of this happy hour anymore okay kisi really quick before we get into everything with paradise I have been dying to ask you this because I feel like you so far are the one person who has gotten the most action on the beach thus far with all of the nipple rubbing? How does it feel to be such a hot commodity on that beach? I don't know. There was some real interest in my upper chest area. And I felt a little, I don't know.

I don't know how I felt about it. It all came, you know, immediately and suddenly, and you want to be a team player. And at the same time, you're like, what is going on right now? I think I was in shock more than anybody. And, yeah, you don't see it, but pretty much everybody on that beach had a good turn at grabbing me. I love that you label it as being a team player. Team player. I was going to say, what would you say is the biggest difference between you?

Why do you feel like everyone, why do you feel like your nipples are a magnet? Does you have any idea? These are questions that you need to ask the other people. others people. This is really, really interesting, considering I have not talked. I don't think I've talked to you, Casey, since the season. No, we haven't. Actually, the last time we saw each other was the, the men tell all.

Yes. I was like, oh, shit. I was like, I'm starting to get nervous. Do you have some, like, some whatever, leftover beef we need to sort through. You're making Michelle nervous and not the other way around. Yeah. All you sit down and you're the hot seat. And then everyone just fires at you.

So he was like, I haven't seen you since the mental hall. I was like, oh, shit. Here we go. Give it to me. Let's go. I will also say to Becca that Rick is a friend of mine and he was telling me how much, not only that he loved you, but Thomas especially. And so I had heard like through the grapevine, you guys saying some really nice things.

And then Michael told me you guys had like a really good back and forth. I kind, I peeked in and listened to that. So I really appreciate all the kind words you guys have shared. Oh, of course. We love Rick. He's like a brother to me. He was on tour with me a couple months ago. So he's a good one.

So let's get into this. I, like we're going to start at the very beginning, but we just this week saw something a little scary go down for you in paradise. How have you been doing since the faint, if you will, or the passout moment? So I'll give you a like as quick of a timeline as I can. So I fainted. I open my eyes. I don't realize that my ankle is just destroyed. I actually tried to get up, and that's when I say,

oh, my God, I see my ankle. And it looked like almost if you had wedged a football into my ankle. They quickly put me in the ambulance, which I did not fit in. I'm 6'3, and I literally had like a third of my body hanging over. So they had a sweet E&T holding my... ankle like this and we had 30 minutes of unpaved roads my leg is just going up and down it was you know if it wasn't so painful it would have been the funniest thing you've seen in a you know like a zap galvanakis movie or something i get to the i get to the hospital in mexico and they have to put me under do a reduction on

my ankle which is basically put it back in place they wrapped me up put me in a splint threw me on an airplane i get home the doctors do like a cat scan i have three different broken bones so your ankle is made up of three bones all three bones are broken which is just this like insane unexpected um you know just a bad break as the expression goes and um gosh I had three weeks before I could even get surgery because the swelling was so bad they said they wouldn't be able to put my my wound back in place so they had to wait for the swelling to come down I spent just about a little over a month, 23 hours a day in bed, leg up, couldn't do anything. Just my, thankfully, you know, my loving parents took me in and took care of me in that time

and I couldn't be more grateful. And then I was able to put my leg down. The swelling got better. I had the surgery. Came back to Miami about a week and a half ago. I was expecting to get the news that I can start walking on a cane again. they did x-rays they said one of your bones has shifted just a little bit

and we really feel like we can make sure you're a hundred percent long run if we give you another surgery so I am show it up still casted up oh my gosh and this has been because you guys filmed what

back in June so this has been since June I think this is like four months and three days is the exact count now so wow so you're still not even walking with cane like how are you getting around oh you got that little scooter as a sick rider is the accessory of the summer now scooting into fall everybody's loving it who would have thought that this drama between brittany and peter and you would have led to this all of this yeah quite

quite an unexpected turn of events um and just really sad but at the same time you know thank God, I didn't hit my head on anything, you know, when it comes to fainting, it's just, it's just completely, you know, you don't know what's going to happen. I've never, I've never had a fainting spill before. So when it happened, it literally, you know, they edit back and forth between the conversations happening over here and back to us. It honestly happened in a matter of seconds. The last thing I remember is turning to Rodney and saying, I feel dizzy. I think I'm going to pass out. Yeah. And then I woke up. I woke up on the ground. Well, and for all of our listeners who don't know and like who haven't been down either to that specific beach before

or to Mexico like you guys are filming in the summer it is so hot so humid especially like if you're not drinking a lot of water and you're drinking alcohol like it they're like you're not the first person that has passed out there I swear it happens every season people faint they have heat stroke so like it's intense down there so yeah like you said I'm glad you didn't hit your head I mean obviously it's unfortunate that you hurt your ankle so badly but I'm glad that, like, you had the paramedics there and they could take you to the hospital right away. And, oh, man, just take care of yourself. In addition to the crazy heat, you know, sleeping is a big issue. I am not great at sleeping in those conditions. And so once the sunlight comes up, it's like,

there's no chance of me falling to sleep. Those people who just like pass out on a day bed at 95 degrees, like that's not me. I mean, it's just a confluence of factors. And like I said, it just, it was a matter of seconds. I just felt my face turned white and I'm like, what is going on? Oh, wow. That's such an awful feeling. I've passed out maybe once before. It's so uncomfortable. It's so uncomfortable. It's it's indescribable, really, if you haven't experienced it. Casey, let's go back to day one on that beach. Like, you're meeting everyone. What was your first impression, like that first week of everyone? I mean right off the bat obviously there was a lot of beautiful women I was very excited to meet everyone I came in there like in my absolute best in terms of mental physical spiritual I was so focused going in there in a positive and optimistic way and I really just wanted to have a conversation with everyone I didn't want to like I know some people like obviously had some degree of like oh that's my person the day that's my person the day that's they're going in and I was sort of like I'm excited to have a conversation with everybody and I'm

sure because you know those conversations didn't necessarily lead to the same degree of romance that you saw with other people they didn't focus on that and people online are like Casey hasn't talked to any of the girls it's like no I talked to every girl um except for maybe serene because she was like locked down from minute one but uh but actually you know I did talk to serene a little bit in the beginning and she was she was really lovely so um to me I didn't have this mindset of like, it's spring break. I want to make out with everybody, which some people did that and God bless them that, you know, have your experience. But for me, I'm a little older. I'm very intentional and I wanted to have meaningful conversations that led to, you know, meaningful action.

Yeah. Do you feel like you said that you're a little bit older? Do you feel like being one of the older guys was an advantage or you feel like it hurts you in this situation? I don't know if it's an advantage or disadvantage. You could definitely make a case for either one. I don't think it was the main factor, right? Because you can also look at someone like Michael who had a different journey than I did. And you could say there are benefits and negatives. But for me, the biggest issue was that I did feel a little bit, I felt a little different.

You know, I felt that there were less people who I connected with on a deeper level. And again, that's no disservice to the people that I didn't have quite of a strong connection with. But, I mean, like Wells and Michael, who are both 38, that conversation and that connection and the kind of stories we share, you could tell, like, it was a little bit more natural. I mean, I had a really good relationship with Brandon from your season. I've seen him many times off of the show. And Brandon was another person who I love and connect with, who was much younger, and there was no issue there. but in general it's just a different vibe if you i think people are at different places in their life and also like if you if you've really like me you've been deep into your career for 15 years

16 years like it's it's just a different thing and um again i i think you know the the youthful energy is fun but sometimes i felt myself being a little bit of a of an outcast in that regard I and I relate to you because last year when I went down on that beach I was one of the older contestants to when I felt the same way and and it's not to knock anyone like maturity wise but it's just like life experience and you just have been through something different I will say though I loved the conversations with you and Michael about this youthful energy because I totally felt where you guys were coming from and it's not like you're a hundred years old like you you're in your 30s like you were still a spring chicken um but did you feel like that first maybe not even like the first day but that first week could you kind of see at that point like okay there are still some women on this beach that i could potentially hit it off with or at that point where you kind of like i don't know how long i'm going to last this might not be the environment for me oh no i actually had so you just don't see it but i

I had a connection with Brittany. You see me give her my rose. You don't see us having a really long conversation, a really meaningful conversation. She was, you know, very engaging. She's smart and I like Brittany a lot. And we even kissed. And I know that's crazy to say because in the thing, it doesn't seem like that ever happened. You were one of the guys she didn't dodge.

No. And in fact, if you want to get really deep into it, we had a long conversation. she told me her story and her experience, which is a really difficult one, you know, what happened on Matt James season and Michelle, you might know even better than I do, but her coming to Paradise was a bold act and in a certain way trying to, you know, get a better sort of representation of her because she was very unfairly slandered on her season. And she was anxious, you know, she felt the pressure of the cameras and everything like that. And so I really appreciated her. her opening up, sharing her story, we connected and we talked about real things. I mean, Michelle, even with you, I know when we were together, we talked about family, we talk about career, we talk about meaningful things, and those were the conversations that I liked having. And Brittany was like the first person to really have those conversations with me where she's

asking real and serious questions. And then everyone knew that I had learned how to read palms on the beach because I was trying to figure out a lot of little things I could do to like get interest and, you know, hang up. And she was like, oh, you know, I'm the only person who you haven't, like, read their poem. So then she comes in close. And I even said to her, and this is not something I ever do in normal life, but I was like, I was like, you know, there's no cameras really around like, you know, I'd like to kiss you or something along those lines. Like, you know, it'd be great to kiss. And I'll be great. And again, there's so much

that happens on this beach that you don't see. In regards to my, my fainting, there's a whole section of stuff you don't see. So I just want people to understand, like, We film 19 hours a day. And so you're seeing like one, one hundredth of what's going on. And so, yeah, so I was really excited about Brittany. We talked before the rose ceremony. She said, you know, I like you. I'm interested in you.

I want to get to know you more. I gave her my rose. I was really excited. The next day, we had Aaron and James come out. She was pretty vocal and saying she was excited to meet Aaron and wanted to get his date, rose and da-da-da-da-da and by you know by some point in that day she kind of came and said to me like listen i think that we're better as friends and i don't you know i don't want to continue to explore things and i just you know that was hurtful to me but it's paradise emotions change and you know

things happen i was obviously super disappointed and then i was like i don't know who i'm going to talk to now um because then it was just like the marching of the men onto the beach and like whatever tiny little window I had was just dwindling and dwindling and that was that was unfortunate you know did you okay so you do feel like there was something romantic at one point between you and brittany yeah absolutely we both you know expressed interest in you know no uncertain terms and uh so that that you know that again but everything happens really fast on paradise and uh so did because at this point, like before you men handed out the first

roses that week, obviously we saw the clip of like when Romeo pulled Brittany, tried to have that conversation of how he wanted to pursue something with her, he was interested, and then we see that the first kiss dodge there with Romeo, did she ever come back to you and tell you

about that, or was the first time hearing and seeing that on the show? So she came to me immediately after the rose dog, or after the swerve and was like, oh my God, get me out of here. You're never going to believe, like, what just happened. And I was like, actually, I know exactly what happened because Romeo told me exactly what he was going to do. And I said, you're an idiot. I said, you're an idiot. You told Romeo he's an idiot. I said, Romeo, you just

patched things up with Jill. Like, after all the drama with Kira and Jill, like, losing her mind over this, you actually somehow got yourself out of the dog house. Go tend to her and be a good, you know, I don't want to be too judgmental, but I'm like, I said, this is going to blow up in your face. And he started laughing and, you know, and then went for it. And so, you know, everyone's going to do what they're going to do. Did Romeo know that at that point, you were kind of trying to vibe things out with Brittany and that you had shared a kiss? Or was he completely in the dark? Brittany and I hadn't shared a kiss or like really solidified our connection until after his scene

with Brittany yeah so that was actually that was like the impetus because at that point Brittany and I hadn't had like a long one-on-one conversation that was when she was like get me the hell out of here wait so are you saying you like you connected over that moment when she was like help like save me I don't think we didn't spend a long time talking about Romeo at all I think it was just like hey I need to get out of here yeah and I was like let's let's go talk let's because I had been I'd definitely been interested in talking to her for a while. As you guys know, it seems like a free-for-all,

but there's a lot of constraints in terms of what you can and cannot do throughout the day. You get pulled for interviews. You have to do a man-chat. You have to do this. And you're like, I'm trying to like, I was even trying to plan on like a cute date for us. And they were like, okay, no, no, we can do that.

And I'm like, guys, like, this is killing me. So you guys know, it's not an open free-for-all. You have to really work hard to make that time for the person you're interested in. That would be so hard, too. Because Casey, you also always came off as a very, like, creative person. And, like, you know, when you're kind of on, I don't want to call it the normal show, but like just The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, kind of what says goes, right? Like, you don't have a lot of wiggle room as far as, like, what activities are taking place.

You have to be a team player, like you said. Did you think that you'd have a little more freedom on the beach? Yeah, and there was more freedom. There definitely was. And, you know, I did get the opportunity to have conversations with people. I think that one of the big issues that I ran into was it seemed like so many people from day one were already sort of like linked from moment one. So Andrew and Teddy were kind of linked. Brandon and Serene were linked.

Jill and Romeo were linked. So when I'd sit down and talk to Jill and I'm trying to like make some inroads with Jill and maybe like strike a connection, she's just going back and talking about Romeo, Romeo, Romeo. And like I think there's even a clip where you see me talk to her. I was like, yeah, but if that situation doesn't worry, why don't we talk about? And it was hard, you know, and I don't fault them for for having interest in someone when they get there. I had interest in someone when I got there, but she wasn't there. So, you know, we all deal with the realities on the ground. but I found a lot of times I was trying to connect on a deeper level and they sort of already

had their mind, you know, in a direction. I got to ask you this. Because you as the official narrator on the beach thus far have a lot more intel and behind the scenes. I am so confused. I feel like so many of these couples that are now linked up on the beach have some sort of history. And Michelle and I have like touched on it on past podcast.

We've, like, tried to learn more, but we don't quite know. Like, what is the deal? Like, what is the extent of, and I'm just going to name names, Brandon and Serene knowing each other before coming down to the beach? We kind of know more about like Jill and Romeo and Kira, but then we also have Michael and Danielle. Like, it seems like there are so many people who know each other and have had conversations. Maybe they never hung out before, but please lay the groundwork for everyone on Happy Hour here. because we're all confused. Yeah, I feel like I am an arbiter of honesty

and I like to tell it very straight. I don't really mince words. I don't know the extent of the back channel communication. I hear things. You know, I heard people saying, I played matchmaker between this person and that person. And I also heard people say, you know, we've sent messages. We've sent messages, but I don't know what degree.

Okay, I heard there was some matchmaking. going on behind the scenes with Michael and his new girl. Okay. I heard that. And like that doesn't shock me. Like I feel like... Interesting.

I like... But I don't know, I don't know like the extent of other things. I don't think like Brandon Serene had ever met in person. I think some of it even starts with them going on shows and saying, I have an interest in this person. And here's the thing. There is commingling. So like I went to Roddy's birthday party and we were all out there.

And if people don't have, you know, you might name three people, oh, I'm interested in this person, this person, this person. And then you're hanging out with Genevieve on in a boat and it's like, no, no, I really, like, I really like, I really, it could be as innocent as that. And I really, without having, you know, firsthand knowledge of like, oh, no, this, this and this happened, I'm not going to say anything that I don't know for real. But is there some degree of like back channel communication? I think it's pretty evident. I think it's hard to deny. what are your thoughts what are your thoughts on people talking i think i asked back of this question as well earlier at a previous episode but what what is your opinion about people having full conversations before they get to the beach or having conversations if someone you know a couple were to have conversation about like you're my person we are meeting up right because bachelor world is a

small family once you're in it it's weird and there's there's no way around, like, not talking to somebody at some point. Like, everyone's DMing, like, when the seasons were going on. Like, there's no way around that part. Exactly. But, like, to what extent? And, like, to what extent of, like, it's unrealistic to say, okay, I'm never going to talk to you. I'm never going to acknowledge you.

Like, no, that's, that's humane. Like, you're going to do those things. But as far as, like, when you get down. I have some friendly conversations, too. Yeah, like, when you get down to beach. line blurs when the line blurs is when you start to make some really like a game plan game plan well any game plan i think is is kind of screwed up and and i i think that it's i just think that you're not buying into the actual process and that you should go in there like being excited

for what could unexpectedly occur you know what i mean i think those are like some of the most fun relationships like i i don't know i like i like watching johnny in Victoria. They're like great. And again, not to say like someone who has mutual interest. It's a very complicated thing. I think the main thing is the less people communicate the better. To your point, there seems to be at some degree of inevitability. So I don't know. It's a really tricky one. I'm not trying to judge people for talking. I had a couple friendly conversations too, but sometimes it would kind of cross the line and I'd be like, not going to cross that line. And that's hard to, and I totally get that case.

And I do respect, like, you do want to buy into the process. And, like, honestly, as a person watching it, even with all this and viewers at home, we want to see love stories. Like, we want to see these stories, not only, like, these relationships, like, flourish, but we want to see them work and be successful when we're outside of this. We don't want it to be temporary, right? But also, I'll throw something. Sorry, I didn't mean I interrupt you. But, like, I just want to throw something out there, though, that people don't realize. Come ahead of it.

Some people are doing these back channel things to try to assure their spot on paragon. They want people listing as many people as they can, like saying, oh, I'm interested in this person. So that way they're a hot commodity on the beach. So there's strategy to this for sure. But I would say my biggest issue, my biggest issue is when people have these conversations to make game plans, then come down to the beach and then portray to the world as if they don't know a single thing about each other. that's where I get issue with it because it's just like okay who are you fooling now like just be honest right

like it's okay to have interest honestly it's okay to have conversations like you said to a certain extent but it's hard when people you know when you're acting and you're putting on a face that and being dishonest about it and trying to you know almost like pulling over

on the audience okay wait so then Michelle let me ask you this no from this season no no no if we're going to talk about this who from this season is kind of rubbing you in that way See, okay, I'm going to preface, okay, I'm going to preface this by saying, I truly, I truly, truly love Brandon and Serene together. I think they are, they are my number one couple. They are the couple that I think is going to.

Well, they're like the Joe and Serena of last year. They are, yeah, like they are the couple that is, they're the real couple. Like, they are the couple that honestly, when I'm watching them on the screen, they are, they love each other. They're going to get engaged, but after this, like, they're going to make it through whatever shit storm comes. And, like, I feel like if any couple were to do that, that'd be them. Preface this by, because, you know, the haters are going to be like, Michelle's jealous. No. Like, Brandon and I didn't work out for a reason.

Nate and I didn't work out. And I'm happy that way that it didn't work out. Like, my, just because it didn't work out with Nate doesn't mean that my person was somebody for my season. Okay. but what I will say is it is hard to watch knowing things that I have heard back when I was in a relationship of the depth of this until I come down and watch people

what do you do? You know like that's kind of like it's more just like let's be honest like let's tell the real genuine story because you are genuine raw people and you they're great people so then let's just let's be honest across the board so then let me play devil's advocate here and like take it to another couple Danielle and Michael.

I was going to call him Mikey for a hot second. I don't know that well. And Casey, you can chime in here too because you obviously know more. But they both kind of explained the situation like they had DM'd before. And I will say this. I could see the connection between the two

because of their shared history. They both have lost either a fiancé or a partner. And so I could see why when they started talking when Michael was on right after Katie's season, which was, you know, like a year and a half close to two years ago, I could see why. Like I could see why she chose to reach out to be like, hey, I can relate. This is a weird world we're in now. If you ever, you know, like need somebody

to talk to or, you know, to vent about all of this, like I'm here. So I can understand that situation. And I'm glad that they kind of laid the groundwork for those two to explain it. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. like I think reaching out like honestly the best part of this whole all these experiences is the fact that you have these people who've been through this weird as hell experience with you like of course reach out of course check in like all these seasons are going on like those honestly those are like bachelor people are the only ones who really understand what we went through and it's it is it's it's crazy what extent do you explain your history or avoid explaining your history I'll give you a funny I'll give you a funny reversal I'll give you a funny reversal of this which is that at Rodney's birthday

like we went on a boat we were out there for hours then we went to a nightclub Genevieve was there I get to the beach on Paradise I'm like hey Genevieve she's like oh nice to meet you I'm Genevieve I was like we met twice

so like I wish that part would have been a show damn wait so let me ask you this then Casey did she not remember because there was just like too much alcohol involved or was she just trying to play it like oh i didn't know you at all because i don't want people to listen there there were there were like 20 people there and um i just chalk it up to me

not being memorable enough oh well it's okay kacey i didn't if it makes you feel better i didn't get the invite to that party because there were no girls allowed oh damn should have felt that red flag a long time ago so it's okay i also heard too many stories about that party while I was on tour and I'm like I don't don't tell me anything more I don't want to hear anything else about this party so many stories so many stories and I'm like stop I got so many DMs that weekend I got so many DMs it was it was it was it was no bueno yeah no girls loud bullshit there was plenty of girls there um okay sounds like pretty fun boys weekend but okay let's take it back So back to paradise.

Back to paradise, yes. No, Casey, I'm going to let you off the hook here, Casey, because we're going to get into something else. No, no, we're not. Some other kind of drama. We want to talk to Casey. Nobody else. So we see Peter come down on the beach, takes Britney on that date, you know, didn't go well. She comes back.

So let's get into this, like, small bit of drama between Peter and what he was saying to you about Brittany. We saw how that all went down. looking back now, do you regret saying anything to Brittany about, like, what Peter was saying about her? Like, do you wish you would have just held it in? Or are you still like, no, I stand by what I said, he was saying some pretty crappy things? I 100% stand by the choice to let Brittany know that someone was slandering her. I think that, you know, I have, first of all, I heard Brittany's story firsthand. And the fact that she was slandered before, I think she absolutely deserves a right to defend

herself. And by the way, she had the full right to not confront him. If she felt like, you know what, he's going home anyway. I don't want to make a bigger deal of it. That was 100% her choice. I think that I would have had a whole separate issue if I had either done like white knighting and been like, I'm the one who's going to be the one defending you and did it. Like she has the right to make decisions on her behalf.

I think it was 100% her right to know what was being said about her. Just like I think everybody else wants to know if someone is putting nasty things about me out in the world and speaking on my name, I want to know. I think everyone feels that way. I also 100% knew that I was not getting a rose from Brittany. And that's where it gets a little tricky because the night when I heard that from Peter, I immediately went to go tell Britney so she could deal with it. And she was making out with Andrew. So I'm like, there wasn't a lot of like daylight in terms of what was going on. Brittany was very open about being interested in Andrew and at that point, vice versa.

So like, that's unfortunate. But there's a lot of interesting stuff that I saw back when I watched it. For instance, when I got down to the beach, I was approached by a mob of a few people led by Andrew Spencer who cursed me out. like straight up cursed me out and wait after you would talk to brittany you mean for just for simply telling her 100 percent i got down to the beach and it was like you know what the fuck is wrong with you you just want to start drama da da da da and i was like no and then i tried to defend myself and literally andrew says to me i don't want to hear a single thing out of your mouth and then there were a couple people with him uh one of

which has apologized to me about the whole circumstance and was just kind of like, hey, I got caught up in the moment. I can understand people being mad that there was drama at the same time. Like, I do think it was her right to know. And again, it was her decision to do whatever she was going to do with that information. If you also see, I like went and we were pulled aside by the bathroom where like, I was like, no cameras can see us. It was like, I wasn't making a big spectacle. Yeah. And it's, it was also kind of weird that like Michael says I like to ruffle feathers when I have never been associated with drama ever like if anything yes I will I will call men out when they do disgusting behavior but I was never like confrontational I'm never trying to like

it and stuff do I make lots of jokes yes I make a thousand jokes a day because that is my my way I love to like cut the tension and be silly and by the way like that line where I'm like I think I might have a chance with serene which you know oh we all knew you were joking you Yes. But that was after, that was after I had told Brittany, they had Michael, Justin and I up there waiting to have a man chat or something. But like when I got down there, it was pandemonium. And then I was like, whoa. And then I got cursed out by multiple people. And I was, I was taken aback. I was like, oh, my God, what is happening? Am I getting painted to be a villain for what I really thought was doing the honorable thing? And, and, you know, like the confluence of factors, he, you know, low blood sugar lack of sleep all the sudden whoosh you know and yeah that's a lot i don't know have you talked to Andrew since no i i i you know i didn't really have a relationship with him on the beach um i think some people come in there with like some people you go up to him and this is

across the board and you're like hey um how's it going where are you from what do you do you're like talking sometimes that conversation is 100% one-sided and the person just thinks you're you're fascinated by them you're a fan and then some people are like decent humans and you get to know each other and you connect i'll say there were a few people who thought they were you know special and i'm like oh okay you're just kind of full of yourself and i know that's throwing shots but it is what it is listen i don't fault you for telling brittie at the end of the day like and from my point of view just as if you were seeing it all go down. I, and I would have wanted to be in Britney's position. I would have wanted to know what's being said about me so I could choose

what I wanted, you know, if I wanted to confront somebody. But I don't, I think like from what everything we saw, like, Peter was the one saying these things. Like, there's no way around that. Like, we saw it directly out of his mouth talking shit about Brittany. And so I feel like he was the one in the wrong here. And obviously, he ended up going home right after you. But I don't think it's crazy to me like i don't think anyone should have faulted you for that like obviously everyone thinks like certain things are going to stir up drama but i think at the end of the day it was her right to know i would have appreciated it if i was breaking no i appreciate you saying that um i like it it genuinely weighed heavy on my heart when everything went down and when i got

cursed out i was like oh my god like i i did i completely misunderstand the situation so no i i you sincerely appreciate you saying that. And, you know, ultimately, you know, could better words, better situations, da-da-da, like, we're all human. I am in no way perfect. I'm totally fallible. But that decision I stand by. And I also want to say this, too, if that didn't go down, Peter wouldn't have revealed the degree of his misogyny and his nastiness. All the stuff that came out after once he was confronted was exponentially.

worse than him calling a clout chaser i mean clop chaser can get all that is bad everything that came after was such a revelation of who he was and here's the thing i know peter i spent lots of time with peter i've seen peter outside of the show in south florida like i know his character i also after the after the mental all we were stuck in the same SUV together going back to the hotel and he screamed in my face for 20 minutes straight like after throated, yeah, after, because he hated after the men's tall. Because about, about, I'm, about

about what? Because all the guys came at him. I was, I was not super nice to him on the mentel all. Because, but like he, I mean, I remember as that went on, right? Like, that whole entire God, this memory lane, here we go. You know, mentel all and everything. He left, he left, the episode ended with him dishing out

his pizza to everybody. Yeah, which is why I thought everything Was it his pizza, though? Yeah, it was. It was actually his pizza from, actually, I don't know. I don't think they were in L.A. There's no way his pizza was delivered there. But, I mean, it was cold while we ate it.

So I figured, like, it's definitely like, it's definitely not his pizza from Miami. But yeah, I think one of the important things to know, though, is that as much as he sort of seems to be playing up this character, like, that really is him. This is him. And he exposed himself when Brittany confronted him instead of taking a moment and saying like maybe I shouldn't be saying this stuff, he like went times 10. I mean, he like quadrupled down on his nasty words about not only Brittany, but about women in general. And I'm like, you know, if I have to be unable to walk for a long time to expose that, like, all right. No, it's not my choice.

Honestly, we appreciate that. And yeah. And at the end of the day, like. for that shit. It is, we all understand it. It is a reality TV show. You know, certain things are put together for the show, but also, too, like, everything that comes out of our mouths, like, when you're seeing it is, like, what people say. And so it's like, he did end up showing his true colors, you know, wasn't in a way people would have hoped. Maybe, maybe not. Who's to say? But I'm glad it was exposed, honestly. Also, like, yeah, people, you can edit the show.

in different ways to create things to be portrayed a certain way but film don't lie like nobody put those misogynistic words out of like your mouth like you said that and in any scenario like the way that that was cut or edited no you said that from start to finish

and like that's what's so I mean have you talked to Peter do you think he understands what went down like do you think he no but what was really interesting so there's two things that's really interesting one is the first

time Peter and I talked was the night when he talked to Romeo and I about the date. And at the beginning of that, he actually said to me, he apologized to me about the whole men tell all thing. And he said, listen, I've really been reflecting over this last year. I realized that I might have been an egomaniac on the show. I didn't necessarily need to be the loudest person in the room all day, all night. And I shook his hand. And I was like, well, listen, if you're going to come humbly hat in hand I actually kind of felt bad in that moment because obviously I was calling him a D bag

and stuff during the daytime but he came to me in a very gentlemanly way said a lot of really nice things Romeo can confirm that he was there and I shook his hand and then immediately he went into this bullshit with with Brittany and I'm like this guy can't even

he can't even pretend to be a gentleman for more than 10 minutes and I think it was later in that night. So he knew that I had given a rose to Brittany and then, you know, ultimately got in the friend zone. And so I think he thought that I had

some sort of like ill will against her. And he's like, yo, Casey, now that we have this new formed friendship, I was thinking we should attack Britney. Let's bury her. And that's why you see in the episode, I said his response to a bad day was let's bury her. So the other thing that people need to realize

is he was literally telling me, I am going to attack her. I want to bury her. Those were his words. And so to not even give her a heads up, you know, it's not even just him running his mouth. It's him saying like, I have an agenda or a vendetta. It was like it was more pronounced. Honestly, if you know that information, I feel like that's a moral issue.

Like if you know that information and somebody is saying like that extent of those words, it's like if you don't if you just sit back and watch them get blindsided like I really do applaud you for not being I mean I guess what can you call like a bandwagon jumper you know like truly like thinking for yourself because shit you're I mean you can you say bandwagon again though I like how you sit back and watch them do that like that's terrible bandwagon wagon wagon wagon was that super minnesotan so minnesotan there's definitely lines that I think should not be crossed. Like regardless if it's a TV show and people are trying to like give certain soundbites or say certain things to be funny or dramatic, whatever it might be. Like there are certain lines that should not be crossed

and if that was the case and if that was said, I feel like Peter should have just gotten the boot from the powers that be at that point because that is not okay. That's a threat. Yes. That's not okay.

So that should not have continued. Casey, let's get into, so we saw you leave but then fast forward, you know, we saw what went down in the next episode where the show did this big split between the men and the women, the girls had to go to a different hotel. At that point, like, watching it all now and like how, I would say miserable for the girls, it seemed. Are you kind of happy you left when you did or do you still feel like a part of you missed out? Oh, I absolutely wanted to be there.

The person that I was most interested in meeting was Kate Gallivan, who showed up to that split. it. So, you know, I will say on that day, I was 100% ready to go home. I'm like, I got it. I got my paradise experience. But for me, as much as it seems like I was there to just like have a vacation and hang out, I really wanted to meet someone. I'm at the place in my life where I'm 100% ready to settle down. I mean, literally like the conversation I had with Brittany was like, I want marriage, I want kids. Like, I'm in a great place in my life and I just need a partner to build something with you know so um i that was my number one goal was to me someone special and um yeah i i mean if you had had conversations with me there i'm like looking i was like grasping for because i was so

miserable i was like oh god i'm so gross i was like but but if the little you know if the little miracle just walks down and even up until that rose night like all my interviews were i have no chance i don't see i don't see any way that i'm going to stay unless right before the rose ceremony they bring a couple more girls and there were so many the the stacking was so different like before romeo left i think it was like six or seven dudes who were supposed to go home so i just kept thinking like can they really send that many home and kind of hold out hope that some girl that like you know i can really connect with even if it's last minute so i remained i remained hopeful up until you know those last moments so how was it then watching like the moment when daniel walks down

because you and Michael were in the same boat up until the moment you left. Like he didn't feel like he had a connection. He thought he was going home. And then fast forward in walks, Danielle, to save the day for him. So watching that moment back now, did that kind of give you a little gut punch of like, oh, that could have been me too? A hundred percent. My mother is texting me going like, I wonder if they would have brought down Kate too. And I'm like, Mom, I don't need that.

I don't need those hypothetical. Let's just pretend my ass was going home. Honestly, I can picture you, though, down the road. Like, this is going to be, this is just going to be a little, like, part of your story of whoever lucky lady, you know, that falls in love with you, fall in love with her. And the reason why you were not on the beach was because literally higher power took you off that beach by fainting and passing out and shattering your ankle, you know? You had no way.

You couldn't stay. you didn't even have an option like you you needed some painkillers you need it was a you know an act of god and uh and everything has a reason and uh we'll continue to be optimistic and hopeful and i will say too like michel i had such a great experience on your season which is the reason that i signed up for paradise like i really did have a wonderful experience and um you know i try to try to try to take away the best of what happens and you know i'm not the type of person to dwell on the things that happened to us because by the way i'm still such a lucky person i'm so fortunate in so many ways and in the most meaningful ways so i i'm just going to i have to keep my

head up and i have to just continue to press forward so uh i don't know what happens with kate throughout this season have you perhaps talked to her or slid into those dms since your return home. Yes, I have messaged, but what I'll say is this. I was expecting to go out to LA for a commercial shoot. I make commercials. I do advertising. And I had hoped, you know, that would be maybe a chance where I could say hi and everything. I ended up having surgery like two days before that trip. And the reality for me is that, you know, trying to start a long distance relationship when you're already long distance is really, really difficult. It's not something that I'm trying to jump into.

Paradise offers an opportunity to get to know people in this really condensed way where you are conversating for hours and you can really get to know people much quicker. And, you know, those relationships really do. I mean, Becca, you're a perfect example. You know this. Like you, when you spend hours and hours and days with someone, especially under stressful situation, it's like, yo, you're my partner. or like we you forge a deeper bond so um i you know i i'm a realist and i'm i'm going to try to

keep it local to be honest and i don't i don't i don't need to i'm not you know um i god bless all the bachelor success stories but i'm not one of those people who's like i need to date within this world it's like i just need to find someone who who shares the same values and has the same priorities right i love that do you feel like you have any unfinished business from paradise at all I think, you know, I think it wouldn't be bad if Wells had a day shift, like a day shift guy, you know, I could go and mix the drinks in the day. He could mix him at night or even just like, you know, maybe he just means a tag team guy because like there's a lot of people who need a lot of drinks and I feel like I could parse out some wisdom and provide some commentary and, you know, also enjoy alcohol and AC, you know, I don't know. I don't know if people want Casey without AC, but definitely, if they need my commentary, I'm happy to provide. I would love more of that commentary in the seasons to come. It was my absolute favorite.

Okay, Casey, this is going to be the most serious question I ask you this entire podcast episode. So take a moment, take a deep breath. I need to know. Do you always drink your glasses with two hands? All right. So someone shared by the fact that. you love that. That was 100% me playing like a little joke because I was like, you know, I was like gossiping. I was like, I was like doing the, yeah, I was doing like the Kermit thing. No, I don't, I don't usually too. I'm, I know it's, I know, I don't know anything. I should take a step back. I'm very goofy. Um, I'm very goofy. I'm always like joking around. I'm always trying to make people laugh. And, uh, that was just an example of one of my silly moments.

Oh my gosh. I loved it. That was my, I think when we did our Rose and Thorn that week, that was my rose because I found it so entertaining. I was watching it with. I do remember that. I was watching it back with Thomas and he legit had to rewind it to be like, can we watch Casey drink his sip his drink again? It was so good. Okay, Casey, it has been such a pleasure having you on. Before we let you go, we have all of our guests and only share a rose and the thorn. but we always start with a resource because we love to keep our listeners informed and share important resources that we love. We also always put them on our highlights too so people can go back and check them out very easily. So I'll start just to make it easy. I feel like that's the way we do it. If that's okay, Michelle, unless you want to start.

Take it away. Okay. So my resource of the week, I feel like I always have two, but one I haven't seen yet. One is just, I'm hoping to check out this movie. in the next week or two, but it's called Till. It came out a couple days ago. It's basically a true story based on Emmett Till's mother and her pursuit of justice after her son was brutally lynched, I think, in 1955.

But that just came out a couple days ago. So I, again, have not seen it, but I'm hoping to in the next week. But there's a podcast episode that I wanted to share with everyone. It's from Code Switch. And the episode is from August, so little over a month ago. And the title of that one is called What Does It Mean to Inherent Whiteness? And it basically goes into, they have an author on this podcast at the interview. And it basically goes into like his background growing up as a white person in, I believe it was South Carolina.

And just how being a white man, especially in that state, well, I'm just going to say this entire country, is a privilege. but people also sort of use it as like a shield to not see race. It's like 25 minutes. It's a great listen. He, like I said, he's an author. He has a book too, but that's a good podcast to start out. Again, it's on my highlights reel. So it's very easy to click the link and listen to when you're driving in the car,

going grocery shopping, or whatever. So those are my resources. Michelle, if you want to go next. That's so funny that you bring up Code Switch, Becca, is because that's the one that I was about to suggest, not the not that episode um but honestly anybody who's listening just that that podcast in general code switch is just so interesting it has such like a vast array of different topics that um can that a lot of people you know should be able to listen relate any episode any episode really um but

the episode specifically called respect yourself it really dives deep and how different behaviors are policed, and that's all I'm going to leave it as, just because I don't want to give too much away with that one. But on iTunes, I believe you can listen to it. I do also think that there's some, like YouTube clips up as well. But like Bucca said, Code Switch is a phenomenal podcast, pop culture, sports, just social norms, things like that. Yeah, it's a good go-to. Yeah. Thank you, Michelle. All right. Casey, Amanda that you are up. I think that the book that I chose to bring is called Black Fatigue. And I think it's a really great book for people who you want to sort of enter into this world and enter into this

conversation where they're not going to immediately have sort of a knee-jerk reaction. I came from a very, like, upper middle class, you know, very privileged situation. And what I know and what I notice is when you put forward a book like, if you even say like white fragility or something like that, there is an instant sort of knee-jerk reaction. Whatever. People are how they are and they almost like take it personally, even before they know what terms mean. What I really like about black fatigue is that it lean.

into empathy and compassion and telling people's stories, both on anecdotal level, but also at a higher level about iniquities, from health inequities to, you know, economic iniquities, to the justice system. And so I think that when you read a book like this or a story like this, it's impossible to not feel compassionate. It's impossible to not feel empathy. And it sort of is a good entryway into some of the more challenging conversations. So I think, you know, one of the things that we can all do best as humans is to kind of like listen to each other more. And I feel like that's a great entryway for people who are maybe looking to open family and friends' minds to other points of view. Yeah. That's awesome. Thank you so much, Casey. It's a good reminder that

change is uncomfortable people. But as long as we're having these conversations too, like this is the place to start. So I'm glad that, and I'm so glad that, like, not only Michelle and I are able to share our resources, but to have people like you on Casey that can share more, too. That's incredible. So now, switching gears a little bit. It is time that you share your rose and Thorn. And so we're going to let you do it of your entire experience on Paradise. So not just, like, into one episode, but overall, your rose, your favorite highlight, and then your Thorn, which is the worst, messiest moment. So my rose would definitely go to just all the wonderful people that you meet.

I think by and large, you know, the show does a great job at finding sincere, wonderful people. And you also get to meet people from all over the country with all different backgrounds and stories. And so I did develop these great friendships, have these wonderful conversations, you know, by and large, the vast majority of people there are great. And even the people behind the scenes, you know, producers and everything. Everyone, you know, as the old guy, sometimes I found myself having more conversations with the old people behind the camera. But anyway, all in all, my rose definitely goes to the people that you meet. And, you know, again, like we were just talking about having conversations that open you up to other points of view, other worldview, or even just people that you wouldn't necessarily hang out with. And it's like, all right, let's go for the ride.

It's an adventure. It was definitely an adventure. And I'm appreciative for having that experience and getting to me. meet these people. Yeah. Great. And now the bad part, your thorn. You know, I know it's going to shock a lot of people. But I would say, my thorn is that I cannot walk. Sorry. And my, my foot fetish business has just collapsed a thousand percent. You know, only fans has gone down. Yeah. Just completely dried up my bank account. Hey, sometimes people like Cass. You never know. There is a market for everything. Casey. This is the problem when I make a joke is that it gets too real, too fast.

I appreciate it. Casey, thank you so much for coming on Happy Hour. You are somebody that we have asked for to have on here for weeks. We're so happy that you were finally able to join us. We will miss you on our big screens from here and out. Your commentary gave us life. It got us through these first couple episodes. So thank you. Well, like I said before, I couldn't be more appreciative of all the kind of words as you guys know we're we're subject to a lot of commentary and criticism and you know I really do appreciate you guys and I appreciate the opportunity to come here and share a little bit more of my story and you know don't be a stranger back at you appreciate your your honesty and Casey you know I've always been always been a fan and it's it's cool to see our viewers bachelor nation everybody watching kind of getting a little more of the inside glimpse um this second time around to to your humor um just because your specialty is definitely throwing out

those one-liners in the middle of these intense moments i cannot tell you all how many times this man had me like i got yelled at not i didn't get yelled at okay because no you don't really get yelled up necessarily as a lead but like just polly and producers and things like that because we'd be in a super serious moment like serious faces you know and and case you would throw out this one liner and i would just pee rolling and it was just yeah it's always always comes a good time so it's it's nice seeing your face Casey and getting to talk to you and um i hope you're keeping your head up and not going to stir crazy with that foot over there yeah thank you guys so much he's so great i feel like that was a lot of really good information holy shit i just love how

he gives it to us like real he you know he talked about his experience but like from his perspective because every everyone comes through each season with such different memories and viewpoints and um i appreciated it and you know again he always gives me laughing so i'm glad we were finally able to have mr casey on here me too and it was so nice because he's you can tell he's such an observant person not in a non-judgmental way like he's not a person that is observing to like judge people and make criticism he's just like kind of he accepts everybody right but he sits back and he observes so i feel observes so i feel like he has like i don't know he's kind of like the fly on the wall a little bit in a weird way you know what i

liked about having him on too is I mean every time we have guest on we try to get the tea and get more of like the actual drama and intel of like what takes place on that beach because there's so much we don't know about but I will say this and I'm I'm sure viewers had mixed reactions of the situation where he told Brittany what was what Peter was saying I think hearing his story and the why behind it is even more important so I'm glad he was able to share that and just share that he was trying to back her up and support her and be more protective because of like what she's been through, which I think is so important for everyone to hear. And like the why behind it makes it more meaningful. So I totally. It absolutely does. But even without, but even without Brittany's story, anytime a man is slandering a woman, not for it. Unacceptable. Period. Yeah. I'm glad he was able to tell us certain things that were said because that is not okay whatsoever. So thank you, Casey, for being on here. And a huge thank you to all of our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners.

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