Bachelor Happy Hour - Catherine Lowe Speaks Out on Racism Towards the Asian Community

Episode Date: March 30, 2021

Catherine Lowe, wife of season 17 Bachelor Sean Lowe, discusses her life with Sean and their three children. She weighs in on why it’s so important for her to raise a strong daughter and reveals whether more children are in their plans. Then, Catherine speaks out about her support for the Asian community and what people need to know about what’s really happening. Catherine discusses how her Filipino mother instilled a pride in her growing up, and why it’s so important to both her and Sean to teach their children about her Filipino culture. Plus, Catherine explains what steps she thinks the Bachelor franchise should take to ensure more representation in the future. Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Welcome back, Happy Hour listeners. We hope you've had a great week. I have had a very enjoyable week because, Rachel, I have to admit, I re-listened to our podcast and the 90s really got me walking down memory lane. And for the past seven days, I have been blasting 90s music like no other. My neighbors probably think, like, I don't know, I'm on this 90s kick, but I can't get rid of it.

It's the best. But how are you doing after the fun, fun episode we did last week? Your neighbors are probably saying, thank you. They're like, oh, she's taking me down memory lane. Oh, I remember that. You even sent in the group chat that you were listening to Wonderwall. I actually have been more of it in a 90s country mood. Like, I'll listen to that playlist, too.

I'll get into, like, my Garth. I was jamming Garth the other day. Shainless. Nothing like some Garth or some Shania. Here we go again. Shania. Who I have seen both of them in concert. I have to let you guys know who we have on the podcast today because you probably have

never heard from her on our podcast. She's a newbie with us. But I'm sure if you have followed Bachelor Nation for a while, no. You definitely have heard of her. We have none other than Ms. Catherine Lowe joining us. She is the wife of Sean Lowe who was on season 17 of The Bachelor, which seems like I mean, I remember watching Sean's season in college, I believe. And, but like, to this day, it doesn't feel like that long ago. But when I say season 17, I'm like, damn, that was actually

quite some time ago. But for those of you who don't know, Catherine's incredible. She has a beautiful family with three amazing children with Sean. So she is a true bachelor success story. She is also a proud Filipino woman. And she has recently been very outspoken about the hate crimes that are affecting the Asian community. And so we're looking forward to sharing our platform today with her to continue that important conversation around this topic. So she will be hopping on very shortly. But before we have her on, I just want to check in with Rachel because you've had a

a lot go down this week. You know, we know copper had some health issues. He was, there's a lot of rumors circulating around poor copper. Like the speculation has been driving people wild. So since we have you here, we just need to set the. record straight with what has been going on with Mr. Copper? You know what I think it is because people first met Copper and he had a cast on. So, and people, people always think, oh, my gosh, this thing's wrong with him. Poor Copper. And the story is kind of like, what happened to Copper's cast?

I'm like, oh, he jumped off something. And they're like, wait, we need more details when he hurt his foot. So now it's like, okay, wait, what happened to Copper? He's in a cone. You know, my Michael hosts on another podcast said he had a BBL, said he had lipo, and I had to refute that rumor that is not true. That is not true. Copper had a lipoma. And so like a benign mass on his stomach. And it was growing. Like he had it. I saw it a couple months ago. I've been measuring it with fingers. It got one finger bigger. And I was like absolutely not. So I had it tested for a second time. It was benign. But I was like, let's remove it. it just because it's on his stomach. It was getting big. And so he had that removed. That's it, you guys. He also had a deep cleaning on his teeth. He did not have any teeth pulled, nor did he have any replaced, okay? Just some, you know, touchups that he needed, some touchups. So he is doing fine. Thank you so much for asking. Thank you everybody else for asking. People were very worried, and I love that copper has just wiggled his way into your hearts.

know he's become americas or at least bachelor nations dog and i i love that but i am not alone here on the doggy stories you becca have a story to tell about a whole little minnow what happened let me tell you what i swear she turned two years old two weeks ago and like when they say the terrible twos hit i swear that's a real thing because when she when i was singing happy birthday to her i made a joke about the terrible twos and it like it's happening she's been like so stubborn so extra over the top sassy lately but she um so usually when i walk her i just have like a normal leash and collar but lately because she loves to go squirrel hunting so hard that i've been putting her in her harness which is then like attached to this like very elastic leash that

then goes around my waist with a good little fanny pack like the dog mom that i am and um she lately has figured out how to finagle her way out of this harness she just like does this like weird really quick like scooty thing through like through the back of it and so I was walking her yesterday and um there's always one corner I don't know what it is there's this one intersection by where I live that she I don't know if it's like there's not a sidewalk so I don't know if it just freaks her out but she somehow so quickly I think I was like digging in the fanny pack for a poop bag or something she finagled her way out of it started running and luckily there's there's like this tucked away park behind some homes where I live and she always knows where to go like she loves going to the park we always go there to play fetch it's the area she can be off leash in our neighborhood so she thankfully ran there so i'm running after her like with my coffee swinging the poop bags like literally screaming like a maniac and um get to the park and she's just like in the corner like sniffing and then all of a sudden she starts rolling. So I'm running through the park, like, trying to find, like, what she's rolling

in thinking it's, like, dog poop or something. And, like, lo and behold, she loves her squirrels. There's a dead, half-eaten squirrel. That she was rolling in guts? She's literally rolling in guts. Yeah. And I, like, I don't know why dogs roll in that. Like, I don't know. I have, I probably Google it. Copper does not. Well, thank goodness. Minno needs to spend some time with copper because I, she's wild. She's a wild dog. And I always joke with my sister, because my sister also also has two corgis. And one of them is like the star student, the sweetest old little corgi in the world. The other one, Junebug, we call her the trash dog because she's the same way. She'll like roll in dog shit. She'll like eat squirrels and mice. Now Minow, of course,

is like turning into this little trash monster. So I ended up bringing her home. And I wanted to scold her, but I also like didn't want to like get too close and touch her. And like, here she is. She knows we're talking about her. Yeah, she knows we're talking about her right now. So I, but then I had to pick her up and put her in the bathtub. It's like really not that great of a story. It was just like I was really flustered for a while, gave her a bath. Thank goodness for Scouts on her.

We do ads with them through the podcast, but like, oh my God, it actually smells incredible. So, yeah, so she was in time out for a while last night. I, okay, so Copper's not like that. He's such a, you know, you've been around him. He's so chill. So I'm not. used to that type of behavior. But I, Minnow is wild. Oh my gosh, that is a good story to tell. Minnow, wow. Copper, we're not going to be, you're not allowed to hang around.

Minow needs to go to breed school. She's a bad influence. Seriously, if there are any trainers out there, please DM me because she needs, she needs to be, you know, she needs some tough love these days. And I can't discipline her. I feel too bad. And I, like, if I yell at her, then she just, like, it's extra snugly so she doesn't really learn. And because then I think, it gets cute. So I think I just need to pay somebody to help me with her a little bit. Yeah. I actually know of a trainer. I'll DM you one. And listen, I feel like we talk about our dogs a lot on here because there are babies. There are fur babies. And a lot of people will ask, I'm sure they do with you, but ask questions about like, oh, where did you get copper? Where did

you get minnow? Both minnow and copper are rescue dogs, you guys, which as you can see, come in all different shapes, sizes, and personalities. But if you're in the L.A. area, I work with a group called PaulWorks, and it's PaulWorks. And you can go on their website, and they have, they're amazing, amazing, amazing group, rescue group. And they really do a lot with just like dogs and finding them in different shelters. And especially like when they're fires out, they take fires going in the area. They take dogs. And the pandemic, they've done a lot.

so yeah it's really in the area and you're looking for a dog to rescue go i wouldn't join you with this yeah come with me next time i swear like my goal in life is to be the the woman in pridesmaids where you know the one when she's driving the minivan and she has like the seven dogs in the back seat like that's my goal one day is to just have a this could be you very soon printer van full of dogs this could be but i clearly can't even handle one right now so that's like very very far off in the future all right you guys Well, without further ado, we are going to be bringing on our guest. Hopefully, you are excited to hear from her because I know we are. Again, this is the first time we've ever had Catherine Lowe

on our podcast. So Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, please welcome Catherine Lowe. Hi, Rachel. Hi, Becca. Hello, hello. Catherine, I guess just to kick this off, we want to check in with you, see how you have been through all of this craziness in the past year. Obviously, check in on your babies. I mean, so honestly, like, I can't complain about how COVID has affected our family. Obviously, it's been really hard to explain to our children. And there's a lot of things that has affected us. But our normal day-to-day really hasn't changed very much. There's really nothing for Sean and I are to complain about. We both work from home. Our kids aren't old enough to do like virtual. So we've been in a similar pattern as before, which is very nice and comfortable for my kids because, they're not affected too much. So it's not a huge conversation piece besides like the virus hurting people and we want it to go away

and we do all these things to make sure that we're safe. But other than that, they haven't been traumatized or anything like that. So we're very, very grateful for the way that we've just, it's kind of been a similar way we've lived. Besides traveling and things like that. But yeah, I mean, we've,

we are just raising a bunch of kids. Wait, are we, is it three? Are we three and out? Are we, are we? I don't know. Okay. Okay, that's a fair. Yeah, we don't know.

That's fair. That's fair. We've talked about adoption in the past, and we're praying about it, we're talking about it, and we're trying to see if that's right for what we are. But three in a pandemic, under four is really tough. So we're like, is this something that we're capable,

Because we want to be present for if we bring another child into it, whether it's natural or it's, you know, through an adoption agency. So we're just trying to kind of tread water now, see what we want to do and be present because we really want to be present for each of our children's chapters and then see from there like, hey, is this something that we want to take on? Because it's a huge responsibility to bring another child in whether it's, again, through pregnancy or any other means. say all the ages again four two and one oh katherine my man the last one that last one was a surprise

and i was very i was very um shocked i didn't know that was a surprise oh my gosh i didn't know that yeah i was 11 like our our youngest was 11 months at the time and i found out the day before my birthday and i was like i need some time I'm going to be fat for four years now and I was like taking it really hard but she's like a beauty she's such a gem and love having her

she's just so loved by the kids and she's her very strong personality so I'm I'm trying to learn from other moms with very sassical girls and see how to handle it and what to do because it's a lot I'm like just anticipating how I'm going to handle this because I know she's going to be opinionated and that's an awesome thing for a girl

so just like okay how do I channel it not towards me maybe see where we can put that energy but yeah it's been it's been awesome we love being together so just wait till she gets to middle school it doesn't matter like what kind of mom you are I feel like oh man

Rachel and I were just talking about how well not for Rachel because her dog is a gem I'm like I can't even handle one dog right now like so kudos to you to raising these three beautiful babies in it like in the midst of this pandemic um how are the boys taking to her they're obsessed with her and it it's interesting to see the dynamic that the boys bring individually so samuel makes her laugh and like that's what he wants to do is like make her laugh

and be there for her um to be silly and then Isaiah is somebody who nurtures her who goes up to her and just kisses her and it's such a sweet um just dynamic between each of them and their relationships with each other, but there's something special about Isaiah and Mia, which is the two and the one. They're like babies together, but they act very, very close,

and it's kind of interesting because you know that your, your kind of personality is very well crafted, very early on. And I can see them being best friends forever and like how they treat each other and how they respond to each other. so it's it's really cool and I'm just like trying to witness it and take in everything that they do together because it's a very special bond oh hopefully you have a lot of scrapbooks yes I have like 20,000

pictures on my phone and I don't know what to do about it because my phone's like so slow I'm like oh my phone slow yeah document everything all of the things is is Mia walking yet yes she's climbing and we don't have a baby gate like we've never baby proof to anything in our house so we're like let's see what happens with the stairs and we're just she's she's good about it she'll walk all the way up the stairs and crawl up there and then at the top she'll just like okay I'm ready to come down and she'll just kind of scream oh my gosh so it's kind of like okay well they at least know risk and they know how to do things safely so we're not it's it's been very interesting and she's she's just running all over the place trying to keep up with the

brothers I was just going to say she wants to keep up with the boys and then she always has have them, she has them to protect her, I'm sure. Yeah. And but she's also like, I can do this on my own. So it's, it's really fun because I didn't grow up with boys, really. I grew up with two sisters. I know me neither. And I don't know anything about boys. I'm learning it. It's weird because you're like, oh, that starts early. Okay. Okay. And I'm just like learning a lot more about my husband through seeing babies that, you know, we're like, what they do with the pictures? Oh my gosh. This is like really comes out of the moon.

You guys do this. So I'm giving my husband less of a hard time. Yeah. Well, speaking of your husband, how has Sean been? He's been great. He has a very successful furniture company now and just expanding and really thriving in that and really loving what he does. He's a really good partner in that and they're best friends and he was the best man at

our wedding. And so it's really cool to see him. do something that he really loves, something that he is passionate about, but also just excelling at. And again, we're so blessed. We get to do stuff at home together. We get to just be a family to eat breakfast, lunch, dinner together every single day. We get to play and stop things. And that's the, like, that's the beauty of having your own business and wanting to be with each other is that we get to be with each other. And like, hey, if you guys all want to go, like, let's go to the park. It's such a nice day. Let's do that. And we get to do

that and we don't um like we don't we see the beauty in that and we see that how that we are very very fortunate a lot of people don't get to do that um and so we're trying to what we hope we're not spoiling them with time because at some point this isn't going to be the norm like they're going to have school and all the stuff like how are they going to adapt to when we aren't together 24 seven but we want a time and we're just so grateful that's all right oh good it sounds amazing I mean, like, I'm kind of like, get me a four-year-old, a two-year-old, and a one-year-old. Let me do this thing. I don't think I could.

So, kudos to you. Catherine, one of the things we really want to talk to you about is I want to talk about your support for the Asian community. What's happening right now in our country? It's absolutely disgusting. It's despicable. You've been using your platform to bring awareness, telling some of your own personal stories about what's going on, how you've been impacted, how it affects your family. And we really just want to dig into it.

Because unfortunately, the Asian community and culture, we don't see that represented that much in Bastogneation. And our listeners are Bastard Nation. That's pretty much who's listening. And so I want to talk about what's going on from your, and you give us the perspective, you take the floor and like what people need to know about what's happening and how they can help. So it's really, like what kind of put everything over the edge was the spa, right?

The spa shootings. And I think it's really, that was, that was, it was boiling over at that point. For a year now, you know, the attacks have increased 150% because of, you know, I think we all kind of know where that comes from. And it's a really scary thing to know that people, obviously mental health, it has a huge part of what's going on in so many things, ignorance, mental health issues, and just kind of the environment right now and people feeling scared and feeling disempowered and they feel like, okay, well, now I want to kind of empower myself and try to do something, take things into my own hands, right? So the unfortunate thing is that, one, Asians, I think from such a long time ago, have been viewed as weak because they're not very loud as a culture. Like, culturally, they don't, they want to assimilate, they want to succeed, and that's what they've been seen as in society.

And so I feel like with these upcoming attacks, they feel like, one, Asian communities are weak because they're not hugely represented in a ton of positions. They're culturally a little bit more quiet, and then they go for the elderly, which it's just like, honestly, it makes absolutely no sense to me. One, that it's an elderly person at all

that are being attacked. That's like the equivalent of a baby. You see a baby, you're going to go hurt a baby. That's the equivalent of an elderly person. And also in the Asian community, elders are so highly revered. Like, we look at our elders. They are storytellers.

We protect them. we take them into our homes, we make sure that they are safe, we make sure that they are honored. So it's been really, really hard for the Asian community to see that not only the Asian community has been targeted, but the elderly are being the victims and the targets of these just terrible, terrible crimes. And obviously the shootings were disgusting. But there's also things that had happened throughout the year that maybe they haven't been newsworthy for some, but they're disgusting acts of violence and hatred that, you know, pushing elderly down and just treating people like not people because of little things that are

allowing them to see Asian people as maybe an issue or a reason why the virus is. So I think just people are taking things too far. mental health has to be taking like has to have a part in this and then also ignorance you know they they don't really understand you know how how beautiful the range of Asian cultures are what they what they add to society and what they want to do as Americans I've read this article, I think it was on Time magazine, and they called the Asian community perpetual foreigners. So when people see Asian people, they think that they're not American, which is a really, really hard thing because just like everyone else that has come to this country, they have

learned the language, they've learned the systems, they've learned everything, and they're trying their best to do what they can within their families. They're taking their families into a really hard place, but they know it can be better if they come here and they do what they're supposed to do. And just because your head is down doesn't mean that you're not that you shouldn't be valued, that you shouldn't be heard, that you shouldn't, that your life doesn't mean anything. So it's been really, really hard to watch this go down and this increase over the last year and not really been talked about until the last couple months. Is this something? And I'm, you know, granted, the children are still so young, like Samuel's 4, but is this some sort of conversation that you're

having in your homes with these children? And I can imagine once they do become a little bit older, you definitely probably want to bring your culture to the kids as well. And that's something that I'm sure you want to keep in the household and near and dear to your heart. So what kind of conversation are you and Sean having of like how you want to bring your cultures together with the children? So my mom is like, she's full Filipino. She's born in the States. And she's a Filipino historian. So she is, I mean, she has a, she has a book. She wrote, I think it was at 24 years old, about the Filipino history in the 1800s to the

1900s. So she's like very well versed in the history of the Filipino community in the United States. She also has, like I'm just going to brag on my mom, she's, what's up. She has a Filipino exhibit at Wing Luke Asian Art Museum in Seattle. So there's this Asian art museum. and she has an exhibit and she's run it for years because she's just so proud of her culture and, you know, in turn, my sisters and I were only half Filipino

but she made us, you know, we learned the work, like how to spell Philippine as very young age. And we were in Filipino folk dance. We were so immersed in the Filipino culture and the community in Seattle. And now, like, it's part of me. Like, it's something that I love so much the Filipino dancing and karaoke and the food and the family and elders, like that just is

part of me, just like everybody else. How you grew up is how you kind of want to either some people want to bring it forward or some people want to like suppress things. And we've just celebrated not only the Filipino culture, but like every other culture. My parents met in Japan and they took a, their honeymoon in Africa. My parents are very well traveled and they're very cultural. And something that I love is bringing the food and the stories very at the forefront early on, right? We're eating falafel at home.

We're having Gioza. We're trying. I mean, we put out to my kids, we start with food because that's just something that they can grasp. And we start like, okay, this is from, this is from Africa. And what does that mean? And where does that look like? And what do they hold dear to them? So it's just, it's fun for me.

I think also what's really, really important now is representation. You know, I'm 34 years old, but Raya and The Last Dragon is a new Disney movie, and now I finally have a Disney princess. You know, so it's these things where as a kid, you don't really think about it, but as a half Asian woman, it's really hard to kind of fit in. And you're trying to think, okay, well, I'm not Filipino and I'm not white enough. Where do I fit? And so many people now are kind of feeling that way.

the only real way to start at a young age to understand is exposure and my kids are exposed to so many things and that's so important to Sean and me. Sean knows how big of a part my family and what my heritage is and he cannot he is so excited to celebrate that with our kids. I mean when we were trying to figure out what kind of name we wanted to name our daughter, Mejia is my middle name and it's my mom's made a name and it's my grandmother's last name and Mejia is Filipino. And so when we're talking about names, he said Mia. And I was like, oh, Mia's okay.

And he was like, what about me and Mejia? And I was like, okay, you just, you like ended it. That is absolutely her name. And so he and I are just so on the same page of exposing our children to different cultures, different people, different abilities and making sure that they're just aware so that they can, they can have meaningful conversations, but that starts really early and to show them, hey, this is somebody that means something to you. This is somebody that means everybody means something to you. So when you see somebody that is out there at the park, you're not like, okay, I shouldn't be

scared of them. It's, no, this is a person and you need to treat them with respect and you always have to be nice to everybody. And I think so much of what we're experiencing right now could be just paired back to how do we tell our children how to act well we need to sort of listen to ourselves and how we're speaking other people do you list like hey kids you need to listen you need to share you need to um respect other people and their space um I mean there's just like so many things if we just bring it back and understand how to treat other people just at the base of humans like so much of these things would not be happening And I just, it's such a sad thing that we kind of have to unlearn so many bad things and

hurtful things to get back to basics. I mean, what's do you, if you, if you see something that's going on that's bad, do something about it. It doesn't know what it is. If there's an injustice, you do something about it. If someone is getting, um, talked down, like loudly getting talked down to it at the park and you can sense that it's something wrong. You say something. You say, Is there something I can do? It doesn't matter anything other than what humans should be doing for each other. And I think that's where it should start. At so, so well said.

And like one of the things we've talked about is like, we have to be better in this generation to be better for the next generation. And like you said, it starts with your children. And it's so sad because by the time that we get to the point where it becomes mainstream, it's been happening. like you said. You know, it's, it didn't start with what happened in Atlanta. This is, and it didn't start just last year with labeling a virus, you know,

a certain way where it allowed people to blame other people for a virus. It started before that. I was looking into this, and this goes into what you were saying about awareness. Like, if we have to unlearn things from the past, and we need to be aware, though, of how things were started in this country. And the Asian community has been discriminated by this government for centuries with the Chinese Exclusion Act and then internment. So these are deep rooted stereotypes and discrimination that has come from the top and trickled down into our society. And we need to be aware of it and we need to know that so that we don't repeat that.

So for people who are looking for resources on maybe didn't know some of these things, maybe you're just now becoming aware to what's happening to what's been happening to the Asian community. Where can they go to learn more? I don't know if it's like a social media page, if there's a website, if there are books, where can people go? Well, I mean, I'm not an expert on, you know, the people that are really, really making a difference. But when you see people posting stop agent hate and there's the resources, there's like a ton of people to follow websites to donate to education to donate to. But I feel like so much of it needs to just be at a human level. Let's start with having those conversations with our kids.

If we see somebody out, like I was at the zoo and Samuel saw this girl's beautiful braided hair and she's black girl and she had this beautiful long red hair. And Samuel said, you know, oh, her, look at her hair. And I said, isn't it cool? Like, don't like it. Isn't that beautiful? These are things that we need to be kind of talking about in every, like, everywhere is an opportunity. And whether that's supporting local Asian cuisine right now, because they've taken a huge hit. You know, any Asian business right now is struggling because of what's going on.

And obviously, COVID. But I think starting in your community, making sure that I wouldn't necessarily say, like, check on your Asian friends. Maybe that's going to be helpful to some people. But I feel like making a fundamental point to, hey, okay, this week, let's try a different cuisine. Let's try. Let's go to Vietnamese food. Let's go to Thai food. Or let's go to a museum of art and see like an Asian art museum.

and see the differences, because the range of Asians, it's so big. And I think so many people saying, okay, well, this is like tiger mom. So that must be all of them. Well, I didn't grow up with the tiger mom. That's not a Filipino thing. So I think really educating yourself on the beauty of all the cultures in Asia is really just somewhere because, you know, I love to talk about the fact that in Filipino or at the park or whatever. Some people come up to me, it's like, oh, where are you from?

I love that because it's an opportunity to talk but some people don't like that because they might feel like oh well is that all that you think of me it's like that's it's just you just want to know where I'm from I think it should happen naturally in conversation but there's so many

different variations of Asians what they look like what they eat what they revere what you know what they just who they are and how they grew up and what kind of cultural values that they hold but for the most part

their food is really important, their stories, their elders are really important. And I think we can all kind of agree on that. So I feel like if we kind of just, again, we take things down and we take all the layers away, we're all wanting the same thing. We want health for our families. We want love and we want respect. But again, I feel like just to kind of go back, if you go, because so many people are posting, and that's such an awesome thing.

if you follow a ton of publications right now are showing the resources so like even if you don't follow Asian people which I you know maybe branch out and try and see if there's somebody that you might like whether it's a chef or an artist there's like a ton of wonderful small businesses that are owned by Asian people that are proud and want to show our cultures so check up that all the resources there's like so many um that I can't even remember home well and I love too that you're just like your mentality is like immerse yourself in different cultures like and that's one thing that I mean obviously 2020 has put a hit on so many different things but the fact that like now people can't even travel and so it's like go and travel to these incredible places like I like till the

day I die I will say my favorite places that I've traveled are Thailand and Bali for the religion for the culture for the food for all the things that if people you know can just for a lot of people too because I grew up in Minnesota and a lot of them are like home bodies and don't necessarily like they don't know what they're missing until they do it. They don't feel that need. But if you can just step outside of comfort zones and push yourself to have a conversation or to go eat at a new place that you never normally would, like those are baby steps and those are simple things that we can do in our society to just gain a better understanding and respect for others. One thing that I want to ask you, because I recently read an article, I think it was the one in e-news.

that you wrote, and you said, you felt like when you were on the show, bringing it back to Sean's season, you felt like, and I don't want to, I don't want to quote this, because I don't know if these were your exact words, but you said you felt like you were on the show because you were kind of checking their box, you know, for having an Asian woman portrayed on his season. So, you know, and that was season 17. So that was several years ago. So since then, and I'm assuming you still watch or keep up with the Bachelor franchise as a whole. for the most part, a little bit, hopefully in some way. So since then, since you felt that back for season 17, have you seen any sort of change for the better? Do you wish that the franchise would have moved faster in more diversity as a whole? Or watching it now, what are some steps that you would urge the franchise to take to include more Asians, more people of color, to better represent society? Well, I feel like they're doing a good job.

of now kind of going in the lead has to have some sort of attraction to different ethnicities. I think it starts there because other than that, it's like filler and that feels wrong. That feels wrong because you're not giving people a chance to really go up higher into like how long the weeks go on. You can't see them represented long enough because they're not genuinely attracted. did. So, like, Sean has dated a black girl. He's dated a Filipino. And I feel like when he said I'm attracted to any race, he meant it. And so when they all came on, right, we all came on, I didn't know that. I thought, okay, it's this blonde white guy. He likes long roles. Like, I'm just here because I just am ethnic and I'm checking the box. And that's generally what I thought,

because I didn't know enough. And that was my bad because I just assumed because he looked like that and he was from Texas. And most leads do. Yeah, exactly. So, right. So I feel like if we're getting, and I think it's also a leads responsibility to say like, well, I'm really not attracted to X, Y, and Z. Like, they're, I'm sure they're saying like, okay, like, can you, did you say, Rachel, like who you were attracted to? Yeah. Everybody. Yeah. I was like, everybody. Yeah, right. But, like, if somebody doesn't mean that and they're just saying it because it's like the nice thing to say, then they're going to cast beautiful, rich cultural people that aren't going to go far because they just didn't have a chance because they're genuinely not attracted.

So I think when we're getting up into now, okay, we're having black leads and we're having, you know, I don't know, it's just really, it's just black. But Tasha is half. Yeah, she's half Latina. So I think it's starting with the lead because genuinely I've, I feel. feel like casting has a job to do, right? And they want to represent. But it's also the lead who chooses who stays longer. And if they're genuinely not attracted to people of different cultures, I think it starts there because then they're not going to get to stay longer,

which you want to hear their stories. You want to see represented more. So it can't just be like, okay, well, there's, you know, there's three black girls on the season now. And they're all falling off in the first couple weeks because they weren't, they're just, you're getting a who's not attracted to that and that doesn't feel fair. Right. So I feel like they need to maybe just trust someone. And I don't know if that's looking into the background more. I don't know what it is, but I think it's having an honest conversation with the leads.

Hey, if you're not attracted, then this is a deal breaker, you know. Yeah. I don't know. Definitely. No. Amazing suggestion and something that we definitely need to see. And hopefully we will. Hopefully we will moving forward.

Now, Catherine, you're what we call a superwoman. Okay. You not only are the mother of three young, very young, beautiful children. You are a wife. You are using your platform to bring awareness to what is happening to your community and how we can all be better in that sense. After listening to you talk, I'm saying you're a humanitarian as well. I mean, seriously, I was motivated. I was like, let me have a baby so I can train this baby to be better for this country because this country needs it. seriously but you are also a business woman and can you talk to us about what it is that you do your business loco the importance of just working owning your own business and setting that example for your daughter so i never expected to be entrepreneur it's like it's too scary for me it's too unknown for me i was like clock me in at 830 clock me at 5 i'll go live my life i was fine with that I was a graphic designer at Amazon. And so my background is in the creative space.

And when I met Sean, obviously, most people, they fall off their normal job, right? When they get off the show, because you're like, okay, well, wait, we can do so. We have some flexibility here. Yeah. And so when I came to Dallas, I felt like a fish out of water, to be honest. Like, it's 180 degrees different from Seattle. I didn't know what my value was because I'm like, wait, I'm just here as your fiance.

Like, that's crazy. Because I have this beautiful resume. I feel like I have a lot to bring to the table. But it's kind of, okay, well, now the sky's the limit, but you have to choose. So I started Loco, which I thought was going to be easy when I was pregnant, which is the dumbest thing. If you ever start a business, do not do it while you're pregnant. Although pregnant people decide to, like, take on a ton of things because they're just, I don't know what it is. But you're super motivated when you're pregnant to just like, oh, let's move.

you're like, oh, it's a terrible idea, but you're like, I don't know, I just got to do something. But I did that when I was pregnant with Samuel, and I brought my love of, like, design to, like, high-end paper goods. And so, and I also wanted to just understand the industry in doubt because I felt kind of like, okay, well, I don't know anybody. I don't know what to do. And I just started talking to a woman who owns her, a small business for her side. And I felt like, okay, well, I hope she doesn't take this the wrong way because I've never started anything before. But I asked her like, what do you like, where do you start? And this awesome, and I'll always credit her to the day I die.

She, her company is called Southern Fried Paper. And I, I loved her pieces. She's like an event wedding planner. And she does like all the, the beautiful pieces for it. And I said, like, I hope I'm not stepping your toes. Please tell me if I am because I just don't know what to do. but like who do you who does your paper and she told me she's like girl you like women have to help each other and you're not going to like we're not competitors so i was like wow this is the

coolest like that is how i want to start my business that's how i want to like inspire other women we have to help each other like it's already there so um she helped me out and i started from there and i make you know luxury breeding cards and now we offer plantable cards which is like the coolest thing that we do. We have like herb embedded wild like cards that have the seed so you can plant the card. Stop. I love that. It's like basil, thyme, lemon mint, and, um, parsley. And then there's also like non-invasive wildflowers. And like that was, I was it, I was kind of a hippie in Seattle. Like, I was vegan and I rode the bus and I wore my work as much all the stuff. So like when I started the company, I wanted to start with the plantables, but then I didn't want to be only known for that.

So we have like this very elevated. It's called blind embossed, which is really hard to see, but it's a very intimate, elevated take on a greeting card. And so they're like keepsakes. They're 100% cotton. They're super thick. So that the cotton ones are ones that aren't plantable, and then are plantable ones are fully plantable. They use 100% recycled paper. They're made in the states and everything else about that collection is super conscious we have recycled envelopes we have compostable sleeves and so I just I took that one so to heart and I absolutely love that collection people really do too and it's on it's only a seasonal product but it has a shelf life of three years so people can use them they can gift down I think

they're great for you know um condolences because you don't want to say anything you don't want to say so you're like there's a plant here's a car i love you and here's a plant you plant it and just think about it's kind of like it forget me not but um i just i love what i do i feel like it's such a like i worked really hard to get to the place where i was professionally and to kind of have that stop and and i got to like reassess now i get to do things with the flexibility of staying at home with the flexibility of okay i'm on maternity leave for a year uh putting it on pause if i want too. And that's the beauty of being an entrepreneur is really choosing the pace. And I haven't really been like that hardcore climb the ladder person. So Sean and I are just so blessed that we get to do

things at our own pace and then we own our own company. It's tough. I mean, I will not lie. There are so many things. There's tons of challenges to being in leadership position. But I think showing your children that you can do varying things and have a balance, that's been like, something that I prioritize in my life is a balance, right? Like right now I'm wearing a nice top. I have sweatpants on. So like that's just like we can do like we can right. We can do that and feel like we don't need to compromise as long as we have our priorities

and check. And that's what I've definitely when I started the company. I was like, oh, I'm going to stay at home and work with my, you know, work with my baby on my boom. And you're like, okay, well, it's not really as easy as that. but eventually you'll get to that place where it's super flexible on you to chew. Well, Catherine, you have been so incredible to talk to you. I feel like in a way, I feel like I relate to you so much.

It's like all about the work-life balance and you work hard to be able to celebrate and appreciate the moments and the memories with your family and friends in life. And so I'm just so happy that we've had you on today. But I also, for all of our listeners, I truly want to express and just urge you to please go check out Catherine's low co and Catherine I'm going to have you plug everything so people can find you but it's so important and I want to stress like you know it's important to not only support women run businesses but Asian businesses and so please tell us where all of our listeners can go and find you find loco I know I'm going to personally stock up because these plantables sound

incredible so let us know yeah and I pack them personally so I'll get to just look at a little I am the janitor. I am the designer. Truly, a jack-of-all trains, you guys. I don't do it when you're an entrepreneur, but it's been awesome to just be on here talking you guys. I honestly have felt very empowered by both of your messages in the past year, and I feel like just we have to band together. And just show what women are capable of. Yeah. Because I mean, I'm just, women, like, I could go on about women.

But like, what would they do without us? Truly. They would be chickens with their heads come off. Right. Sitting there twiddling their thumbs, right? Right. What do I do now? Picking apples off trees.

Yep. Hitting each other, hitting each other, knocking each other down. It's how it is. Like, women are this ultimate. I love it. I think it's so cool. And just to kind of keep, keep, like, like holding each other's hands and like bringing all of us up because it's just so it's so

important today. It's important yesterday. It's important tomorrow. And I think it's really cool to start to see change and to start to see people speak up a little bit more about how how incredible women are, how incredible people are. And I just, I love people. So. But before you get off, please tell us where our listeners can come to you. Okay. It's Go Loco, which means go crazy a lot of people say low and co but i didn't steal my husband's last name for nothing it's loco like crazy um so go loco go crazy dot com i love that g o l o w b c o come yes so everyone please go check out go loco stock of support katherine um and katherine it has been such a pleasure give those cute little babies hugs and squeezes from us give sean a big hug i haven't seen you

guys. I mean, the last time I saw you, we were in New York City. Yeah. A sleep number even, which is like, I have to say probably the coolest event to just like sit on beds and talk for a night. But I hope once the world gets back to some somewhat normal sea, we can all reunite and just catch up. But thank you for joining Bachelor Happy Hour today. It was so good to see you. Nice talking to you guys. Bye. Take care. She's awesome. You know what? They don't make contestants like that.

Wait, don't play that far. She's awesome. Like, awesome. I see why Sean picked her. I've met Catherine once. But gosh, I just, like, fall deeper in love with her each time I adopt her. She's just somebody that I think, like, any kind of woman can relate to her. Or, like, she just makes you feel special.

like she's not you know sometimes people come off the show and they're like only into the glitz and the glam and the hype and this the bachelor nation if you will and she's i and obviously i didn't know her prior to the show but like she just seems like she stayed so grounded so like who she was before the show is who she is now with just an incredible husband and three incredible kids and like she's a badass business woman like yeah she also i mean when she said you know have a nice top blouse on top, but I'm wearing sweatpants on the bottom. I'm like, girl, it's the Zoom quarantine look, and I feel you because I do it every day. And I have to say, too, her reputation precedes her. I did not watch their season. You know, I've been outspoken. I didn't watch the show

before I was on it. But once I got on the show and I came back to Dallas, mutual friends would speak so highly of Catherine. It's funny. They were like, no, we never met Sean. We know Catherine. Catherine. Catherine's awesome. Catherine's so much fun. She's so, like, such a good time. And she's so great and so warm. And I was like, I'm going to make this Catherine. We have a lot of mutual friends, so I didn't end up having the chance to meet her.

But, yeah, she's just as lovely in person to talk to on this podcast. We hope you guys enjoyed her just as much. If you weren't familiar with her before, we hope that you do a deep dive into her now, into her company, into her family, into what she represents. represents who she represents. And yeah, can't speak highly enough about Catherine. Yes. And please, as always, like, make sure you support your fellow women. And especially right now, the Asian businesses, like she said, go loco on Instagram. But I also just loved how she said, just immerse yourself in the culture and appreciate anyone that is different, who acts different, who looks different from you can bring to the table.

And so I'm excited. I really truly am to just see how her children grow up because I feel like they're going of raise those three kiddos so well. Change the world. Yeah, exactly. And her message, it starts with you, you guys. Don't wait for something to happen. Don't wait for change to happen.

It starts with you. Yes. Be the difference. Preach it, girl. All right, you guys, as always, it has been so much fun hanging out with you this week. And Rachel, I said it last week. But again, I'm so happy to have you back. It's always a great time.

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