Bachelor Happy Hour - Charity & Dotun: ‘Love Island,’ Joey & Kelsey’s Engagement, and More — Part 1 | Happy Hour

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

Today on “Happy Hour,” Charity is joined by her fiancé Dotun to catch up on all things Bachelor Nation! In part one, we’re breaking down this season of “Love Island,” big Bachelor Nation news, and so much more. Did you catch this special little detail on Kelsey Anderson’s new engagement ring? Tune in to find out! Plus, Dotun opens up about dealing with chronic pain, and Charity weighs in on how it has strengthened their relationship. Tune in now and stay tuned for part two, dropping tomorrow!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Back to a Happy Hour. It's Trudy. I'm Dotson. I'm a lot of my fiancee. This is crazy because we have not co-hosted anything together. So you guys are in for a treat this episode.

But without further ado, I fear there's so much that we need to catch up on because life has been lifing for the both of us and I'm sure for everyone else. But this week specifically, I know everyone's on the edge of their seats. Let's briefly talk about Love Island because we need to dissect that show. No, we have to. You know, you are in the whole world like, yes, no, it's popping. Do you not, like, do you not think it's like the craziest concept ever? It was when you told me that it was filmed like sort of live.

Yeah. That's what blew our mind. At first I was like, I didn't get the hype of like a dating show. Yeah. But yeah, like that changes the dynamic a lot for me. And like, that's really cool. I don't know. It's very crazy.

You think it's cool. I think that's a lot more pressure for like the cast and obviously the production crew has figured it out. They have made a system work for that. But that's such a quick turnaround. Yeah. But I also feel like with that that also like because you know how we film ours like months in advance and then we have like this whole brief time period before like it actually airs. But like for them, I feel like the audience, that's why it's such a popular show now is because like the audience almost has like they're involved in. it. Like, they hold stakes in the process. And, like, can somewhat kind of, I don't know actually

if that works, if it works that way, but, like, determine kind of the outcome of what actually happens. Because, like, you know, like, they're probably reading comments. Like, I mean, this is probably the most active fan base. And it's, oh, wow. They're insane. Sorry, and I mean that with love, but Love Island fan base is crazy. Yeah. I'm still getting initiated, by the way. So, like, that's why I'm like, but I'm getting locked in the season. We watched the first episode. Even my cousin who, like, he doesn't even want to care about the reality. He's obsessed with this.

I was like, we got to watch it. So, yeah. I get it. I get the appeal. Tell them what you were saying, because I tried to get him to watch last season. And that was the one with, like, O'Andrea, Nick, hood a... I saw something. Yeah, you saw a little bit.

And you made the same comment this time around, too, which is so fascinating to me, because I'm like, dots a guy, and I always feel like guys are just like, eh. Like, they love... Sorry. What now? They're like, eh. Wait, sorry, they were like, what? No, I won't do it again.

But, like, it's, like, so fascinating for you to say, like, it's too much kissing. Dotten said, it's too much. Is that not what you said? Yeah, it's a lot. Like, what? Like, I don't know. I love, like, I love kissing, like, in another life and I'm younger. Like, that's a fun show.

But, like, why do they? I literally don't know anything about them, right? So, yeah. We watched two hours. I don't know anything about them besides their name. Like, they went right into kissing. Yeah. And, like, it's just so.

extreme. Like I don't mind the kissing. Obviously, Bachelor Nation, they'll even like turn up the mute. No, the sound effect. Which is like, oh, you know, yeah, I know exactly. But even that, I can deal with that, but it's just like, right, half the show is just like, make out city. But my cousin made a good

point that it helps them connect right off to that. Does it? I mean, it looks like it, because by the end of the show that first episode, when, like, they're coupled up, they're, like, already really lovely everyone. Because I think that's just them, like, it's almost like, you're putting the situation of like what else is there to do what else are you supposed to do but like i i i

personally that's what i'm saying i could literally never be on that show because i don't okay that's crazy that was a crazy response like no i'm being so serious i don't think i could like never i could like never i never i have never been a bachelor i could like never i never do i never do a bachelor's like never never never never never never live in new york i could like never go on and that's totally Your whole life is all things that you never would have done. You can't hear you are. Well, listen, I'm pushing about... You would have thrived on that show.

That's a really bold choice, but that's fine. I'm saying for me, I am someone who values, like, connection so much. So I think, like, that just would have been... I don't know. Like, I would have obviously done it, but that doesn't mean that I don't think... Like, I don't necessarily fully agree with, like, it makes, like, them break, like, through the connection and they connect, you know, a lot better. But I think you brought up...

You mentioned a good point about like the age, like the age difference or like the age of the, of the cat. They're all like 21. So it's like, yeah, that's how we all acted. Exactly. Yeah, right. What was that way? No, honestly. And like, obviously, like, people really see me as like a really nice guy and I am.

But it's like maybe if I was in my early 20s, like, it would have been a different, it would have been similar. Like, I've never really been about the BS to that extent. But like, yeah, like, you know, that's a very fortunate thing is going into. reality TV, like having a little bit of like age under your belt. Yeah. You don't want too much, right? Yeah. Because then you're like too reserved and you, yeah.

100%. But yeah, that's the total opposite. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's built really. And I think like if they were to ever switch up the age category, I don't know if like, I think the format really does just work for that demographic of people. Like I think if you were to put like 28, 30 year olds in love, and granted, there's

plenty that are still acting that way. Don't get me wrong. However, but like, you know, I just think it just, it makes sense. Like, they're fresh out of college still, maybe in grad school. I don't know what they're doing, but it's like they're still in their youth. This is like the prime to really get it. This is the stage and you've got to get it out before you enter marriage. And it's okay if it doesn't work out.

You know, you're young. That's probably like for most of them, maybe their second relationship, like, truth. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Like, if they're lucky. So some people don't have any, I probably never even had, like, or know what love is like. So it's a great like stepping stone to learn about that. For sure.

And that brings up another point to you because I'm like, you don't really like they all kind of couple and like leave the show. But they don't have. There's not a lot of long lasting substantial. Yeah. Yeah. They're not, they're definitely not thinking about marriage. Yeah. They're like, let's just have fun.

Yeah. And the foundation of the relationship is fun. It's not like meaning or like, you know, like it's just like fun. Yeah. So like you got to build off that. And that's going to be hard to like. stay 10 years in a relationship. 1,000%.

I'm trying to like buckle up because we have to catch up. We already have one episode behind. We got to like walk in for the season. I feel like I still going to go back to the craziest thing about the show. Again, I just learned. Love Island? Yes. Is the fact that it's filmed like live.

And like that is because think about how many reality shows have that short of an editing window. I generally don't know. Like how, unless it's like a series. finale, which they'll do live like that's about it. Yeah. But otherwise, every other show is months apart. And like, even just having that changes the way you think and feel about the show, right? Whether you.

As an audience. Yeah, yeah. It's huge. I think like that is, and it's brilliant. I'm like, in what ways? What is the downside? In what ways? In what ways?

Does it change, like, how you view the show? Well, because like, I think when it's months apart, there's some type of disconnect with like, knowing that these events have already happened. Got it, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you, I don't know, it's hard to explain, but you can start throwing in, like, your own, or, you know, obviously the big one is that, like, the editing, right? And, like, and, like, but that room, it removes that element a little bit, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know that this thing is live and it feels a little more, like, genuine, which is ironic, right? Ironic for that show, but it ends up feeling a little bit more like that. Yeah. So, like, I think that's brilliant. I, like, I was thinking about it when we were watching. Like, what's the downside?

Yeah. I don't know. It's like so many positives and benefits to doing it that way. And, like, having it live. I guess the downside is, like, it's hard to, like, do damage control, right? If something blows up. Well, that's happened now. Like, I think they, and they also, that's what I'm saying.

Like, there still is editing happening. But, like, the damage control, I guess less for, like, people who are on the cast. But we've seen, like, where there's people have been casted and they've had to be pulled from the show. Like, the way, like, you would not even know that they were even on the show to be. Yeah. It's like, it's crazy. Obviously, when the cast leaves the show at the end of all this, some are coupled up, some are not coupled up, but regardless, it's like when you go on this show, it's almost like guaranteed that you're going to hit this certain threshold when it comes to like who's following you. And that obviously is very dependent on storylines, et cetera, like how much, you know, drama or whatever like involvement you have in this show.

But it's genuinely crazy because I'm like, it's not like that with any other show. Like, I mean, O'Landria from Lassie. She's literally like an A-Lis B-List celebrity. It's genuinely crazy. So it's like from a TV show, it's nuts. But I think like to me, the only way that I can like rationalize and make sense of that is like kind of what you were saying. I think people are just very one invested in it. Like it's and there's an investment because they feel like they like play a role in it.

But also like in real time. Like it's like easier for people to like keep up with. Like you know, it's like they're not waiting. There's no downtime to be like, you know, for people to. check out and get like, you know, like, okay, I'm no longer interested. And I think that's like, I feel like that's. There's no spoiler. Right.

Exactly. Exactly. So there's no, the ending hasn't been made yet. Like, on like every other show, the ending has already made. Yeah. Like, literally every other reality show, the ending has already happened. Yeah. And so, like, this is like, what a really good.

It's a beautiful system. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That should be, like, people need to take notes. It's probably like, I mean, I'm sure it's very hard, like on a production. Yeah. I'm feeling.

Yeah. I can't even imagine. It's probably tough. Very tough. Like, they're like, they're in the studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's like,

you know, they don't get to create, like the whole beginning to end, right? They have to literally use what they have, which is just like the last episode. Yeah, last few episodes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's probably,

but honestly, we'll be sitting down every Tuesday, Wednesday. Yeah. Oh, like, every day of the week for Love Island. So, that's a, that's also, like, you know, the cast. Like, you never know, like,

I talk about wrong reasons. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's how big it's getting. I mean, but again, it's not as serious. But that's what I'm saying. At that point, I'm like, if I was to go on Love Island, I'm, like, not to say I wouldn't take it serious, but I would only do it if I was like that young one. And then I would know like, okay, less involvement because it's not, like, doesn't mean I don't love a person. But like, marriage is so serious.

So it's like, yeah, please don't come on a marriage, a show about getting engaged and getting married for the wrong reasons. It's Love Island. Come on. I don't care. At this point, I might be the wrong reason too. Yeah. And, like,

that's a breath of fresh air. I think they're all honest about it. I don't think they're really pretending, like, the shows, no, and you see it now. Like, you see it,

especially, like, I mean, it was always kind of like, you know, they had that general overview. But, like, now I feel like, as people are talking about the show, it's like, yeah,

I quit my job. And it's like, I quit my job because, like, I want to come on this show for a fun opportunity, but it's also, it's like, they are probably very much aware

that, like, I'm going to quit my job and then I'm going to make so much more money after this. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Total, total opposite of, of latest bachelor's season. Yeah, and I think our fan base, too, is like, they hold us to a much different, like, standard. Like, it's very interesting. Yeah. Yeah, a very different standard.

I feel like there's some men. That's on the people to say. Like, I'm like, what do you want to say right? Some men of the most recent, recent bachelor's on T.F. Taylor-Frank policy. that definitely are Love Island coded because some people were trying to make it big. Oh, the guys.

There's a couple of them. I'm like, do that one in. Against my own will, I keep learning and seeing these people, and I'm like, what the hell is going on? It's inevitable, though. Like, it's really, it's like being, you know, it's inevitable. Like, I'm like, we can sit here on that other side of it and say it, but I'm like, I would too kind of feel like,

damn, I just wasted all my time. Oh, I understand that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you're just saying like, oh, like, climbs from bad. Yeah, yeah. I've seen some shit recently. Uh-oh. I was like, what, bro? Drop names.

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There's nothing bad about it. I think this has been such an interesting week with news. or past two weeks, how you want to look at it. But let's start with Hannah Brown because she did a video on her social media, which was a very vulnerable video about her. And I honestly, I think we all, like, to some capacity, relate to this. Yeah.

On the creator side and, like, just not even a creator, just like someone who went from not having to share your life to, like, now people want to see things and expect to see things. You're just talking about, like, how, you know, people might not like her, like her built-in community at this point may not like her if she shares her actual life, which I'm so glad she touched on that because I'm like, I think that's something we either consciously or so consciously think about every single day.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Like, at least for me, it's like there's a weird, like, I don't know, like you're walking like a tiny rope of like, do I do what's like, not genuine to me, but like, you know, it's like there's this narrative that people know you from. kind of like how I look at you. It's like people think you're like not in a bad way. Like you are a stellar guy, very reserved, very sweet, but like Dotten's also very goofy, very like free. He's very like an independent thinker. So it's like not all of that was showcase on the

Bachelorette. But it's like now in this like after our lives kind of have evolved, people see and like can start to see different sides. But it's like it doesn't really align with what they know you are ready to be and what they like are very determined. for you to be. And so it's kind of like what we talked about, putting ourselves in a body. Yeah, a thousand percent. Like, the thing is, once you get off the show, the only thing that can be reinforced is what they showed on the show.

Yeah. So, like, you, over time, and I pretty sure we all go through this, we want to share these different parts of our life. Like, that's huge. It's always been the case for me. I'm still struggling with it now. But it's like, when you look at what people want to see, it's just like, always, like you said, nice guys or relationship.

So then you, that's the only reason. reinforcement you get. So you don't mean to get reinforcement, be able to show the other parts of you. And so that that is, man, that disassociation of identity and like, yeah, and like what you're doing is very hard to like overcome. And like you said, like, even there's, I feel like most people are probably conscious about it and aware of it. But the thing is, there's even the ones that aren't conscious about it, like unconsciously, like you said, that will still eat into them. Where they know it or not. Yeah. And you know.

It comes out. It manifestses a different way. It manifests in different ways. And you're going to look five years down the line and you've been making content that's been so one-sided that doesn't show these other sides. And then you're going to become more of that thing. You won't even realize it because it's happened so slowly. So, man, like, I work in functional medicine. Most people don't even really know what that means. But, like, because that wasn't highlighted, I wasn't able to talk about it on the show.

I haven't even really touched on it on my social media. No, I know. Nobody really knows what that. Yeah, exactly. What is your native? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's like, I love it.

And I'm passionate. And like at least by the time I was on the show, it was like 99% of my life was that obsessed with it, loved it. And so it's like trying to find an avenue to be able to share that, right? Same thing with like my lower back and everything. Like you said too, there's a lot of things for you too. Oh, it's family therapist. But like, you know, like no one's, it's hard to, that wasn't really like highlight on it. There's so many layers.

Like there's so many layers to it. It's like I was even, I'm going to bring this out because I was like thinking about a comment that I got. from when we did 80s podcast like a while back. It was like a recent comment. So like obviously like bumped up fresh. But it was like we were talking about like, you know, the struggles and the different obstacles that we go through specifically. But one of the comments was like, sorry, like I actually don't have a problem with her

besides I think that she's entitled. And it's like you gather that from not even watching this show because she was not a fan of the show. but just from the clip itself. And it's like you, like, I'm literally talking. I'm being vulnerable about something. But like, you've already concluded, like, who you think I should, like, you know, the lane that I should walk in is the best way I should say. Like, the lane I should walk in.

And then, like, I feel that so much. There's such a, like, 50, 50 pool with, like, what I feel like my audience is. And so I just relate to Hannah. And I'm, like, very just glad she, like, obviously spoke about this. In a very vulnerable way, too. She was, like, crying. It was just, like, very emotional. And I think, like, the mental health of creators are just people who come off TV, like, who are in this space, whatever you're doing.

It's, it's so deep. And, I mean, I talk about this all the time, just, like, being kind to people because you just, like, don't know what people are struggling with. And it's like, you shouldn't have to know what people are struggling with just to be a kind person. Like, it's really simple. A thousand percent. Yeah. I really don't have to. It's just being nice.

Yeah. And I guess just, like, people, like, we just are in such a digital world that. You know, we don't even realize our projections and the things that we are feeling. We put on to other people. And it just creates a very slippery slope. Yeah. I think like overall, man, like, when there's social media stuff, I'm really hoping that, like, as humans, we all, like, collectively are able to, like, recognize sort of the direction we've been in. Because it's new.

The internet, social media, it's still relatively new, right? So it makes sense that there's going to be these hiccups. But, like, I do hope that we can all. all like eventually maybe like just support people and promote positive things. Right. You know, instead of always hyping up the negative, the outlandish, the crazy. Because, yeah, it makes it hard for us to be ourselves. Right.

It makes it really hard for creators to like be themselves. So, yeah, I don't struggle with that way too much. And I know exactly how she feels about that. Yeah. Yeah. I may have shed a tear to you over that too. Oh. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just trying to. I just, yeah. I just, yeah. I just, yeah. that hopefully, like, we and, you know, that's something that I, like, intend to do more of,

just being more vulnerable about, like, our struggles because, again, people just don't get it. But it's just also goes to show you that so many of us are going through the same thing. Yeah. I'm granting similar feelings around. Yeah. I actually, like, there's this quote. I'm going to, I'm going to read it. Sorry.

It's, it was really, really, really well said. Let me find it real quick. Okay, there we go. Okay. So, this is a, some NFL. player and he was just talking about like being in the spotlight and how that affects and so essentially what he said was like it's

necessary to sacrifice authenticity to become powerful but then when you become powerful but in authentic you become hollow and then you seek fulfillment by engaging in behavior that lacks integrity and then when you lose your position of power because inevitably

like at some point usually that's the case right or you know or you get whatever it is there's so many ways that can happen, then you become powerless, inauthentic, and without integrity. So it's better to be true to yourself, even if it costs you the elevation and the status. I say that every day. That's like my thing to live by. Like, be yourself. Be yourself. Be yourself. It will find you. So that. That's our job is creators to do that. That's like Hannah, but that's, it gets so much. There's an expectation. It gets so much harder way. Yeah.

The feedback doesn't reflect that. Correct. Yeah. But we love you, Hannah. And you're not alone. truly, he's not alone. All this is now. Our next Bachelor Nation news, our beloved, we call it the Bachelor Nation Trinity, okay? It's Zach and Katie, me and Dot. Joey and Kelsey, they got re-engaged. We're like, yay!

No, it's actually crazy because I believe it was, was it not Joey's birthday? It was. Yeah, and like that is so funny because I'm like, Kelsey had no idea, but it was so beautiful. Like, first of all, let's talk. talk about the ring because the ring is stunning. It's huge.

It's genuinely huge. I'm like, okay, how many carrots? I don't know, but like, it is stunning. And then she has, like, emeralds on the side. Oh, cool. And I actually don't. It has some connection with that, right? Yeah.

But I think that's Joey's birthstone. But I'm like, also, it was like, someone mentioned it was like, it was the dress that she wore night one. So I think green is like something special to them. Oh. Yeah. Or Joey. Probably.

Probably, who knows. I'm like, I actually don't know the actual reason behind, but I think it's beautiful. And I love, like, I love. Wait, is New Orleans? Is that like Emerald City or am I? Did I just make that out? You totally make that out of the show. What?

You know, they got the purple and the greenie, right? Cleans being Emerald City is crazy. Watch me Google that. You're thinking of wicked and that's totally fine. I've never even seen wicked. So I don't know. Yeah, like Emerald City is like. Is that a wicked thing?

It's like, yeah. Maybe so common. No, New Orleans is Emerald City. We're taking it around with it. Maybe it seems. Yeah, but no, we love them. Obviously, they are in wedding planning as well. So we are sending all of our love to our friends.

Like, we love you, Joey and Kelsey. This was like, honestly, so sweet. It's crazy that I'm like, I genuinely can't get over that day. She had no idea. And, like, she was, like, doing something special for his birthday. And then he said, no, I'm like, the way he doesn't even do that. So I don't know the whole law. Yeah.

No, but it was. I'm like, they're just, like, so, like, in tune with each other because I'm, like, who, like, pulling off a surprise like that of that magnitude in Cabo as they're, like, just celebrating Joey's birthday on vacation is, like, great. Oh, it was in Cabo? Yeah. Oh, period. Yeah. Dude, no, it's like, I'm so grateful for Julian and Kelsey and Zach and Katie. Yeah.

I fucking love those two. Because it's just, like, a really beautiful reminder for us, too. Yeah. I just think about those moments when they got off the show and Kelsey was calling me and calling Katie, you know, and just needing advice on how to navigate everything. And, like, it's a great reflection of the journey I think we all take, right? Every, most of the successful couples end up taking that similar journey. And it's not without turbulence and rocky moments, you know. You got to make it through that hump.

And it's beautiful to see them make it through that hump. Really, it really is. It really is. about us too. Yeah. I always say like as much as like we like rely on each other is kind of like we built this like I don't want to say like wall of a community but like these three couples were like the cornerstone for each other.

Like we just like all are going through different things but they went through similar things and navigate it very differently. But we're like we rely on each other to like figure out oh like how has that helped you or like when you struggled with this like what is like what's something that you did that, you know, got you guys out of this like hard. time or whatever. It's not even always about hard times. Just like life. Like, you know, like, where do we want to live? Like, you know, like, Katie and Zach just

built a house. So it's like, we like just talk about those things and it's just, it's a really special, like, just group that we have. Like, hopeful more to come. But, hey, right now we're the Bachelor Nation Trinity, so. I feel like, like, the dynamics between all of us are the same, too,

in terms of, like, the guys just like, just being, and just being in the girls are just out there and absolutely bad shit. But we love it, you know, and it works. No, like, it's actually crazy because I'm like, you guys are all different, but so similar. Yeah. You know, it's so, like, just laid back.

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Listen to Joy 101 on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In terms of like if a reproposed or re-engagement was something that we've ever talked about, we definitely did. And we, like, I think we're going to like maybe do it. differently, it won't be per se a whole full reproposal because I think ultimately when we like did have the conversation around it or just it was even brought up like we both like I don't know like I really like that was the best day of my life I mean the worst but like best day of my life like I would not exchange it and like cameras involved or not I think that's obviously like people do the reengagement because it's like oh like a moment sacred to just the two people without

anybody else on set and like involved but I mean when I got engaged there was nobody else like it was just me and dot like I don't care if there was a million can there could have been a camera right here like I was so locked in and I think like I want that still to be like something so like special to us but I think we're going to like do something similar but different in a different capacity because I don't want to take away from that moment yeah yeah exactly I'm somebody obviously I'm sure like it falls more on the guy and so like in a sense like Like, I remember seeing that. I remember who I saw do it the first time, but it wasn't long after we got engaged and

came across. And then I realized that quite it seemed like a few people had already done it. Yeah. And like, I'm someone who I want things to be intentional. And like, that wasn't an original idea that I had. So, like, I know something that will come. That's more original. That's going to mean more from the heart.

Yeah. But like, just seeing that, I was like, okay, it's been done already. Like, I don't want to just take that same route. Yeah. So Charity's absolutely right. Like, it's going to come in a different way. Um, like I, I, I, I know, I'm trying to, I'm trying to be like, not too sneaky, but like, I think there's, I think there's something that's going to happen like probably after our

wedding, right? Like something. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, which is what we talked about. But yeah, it's just, uh, for me, like I, I do, it just felt like just doing what other people.

Yeah. And I know. And we live in that, like, that unfortunate territory where it's like, oh, like, I don't want to be like, I don't want to be down. but like someone's bound to say oh like they did it because so and so so and so so did it and it's like no so we just want to create something that's very like unique to us and meaningful which again we have we're on the same page and in alignment about that but like I'm listen I totally and fully support like anybody who wants to get engaged 17 times I'm like yes I love it I love that but like in terms

like what matters to me and dot which I think we're both we think the same about a lot of things it's definitely going to be different. But yeah, something special is going to come. Yeah, it'll come in a certain form. That's TBD, but the goal is to make it special. Yeah, yeah. And unique to us. I would say, like, it's already sort of coming away.

I don't know if you remember this. I don't know if you remember this. But the very first, right after we got engaged, the first time we were able to see each other again, do you remember the very first thing that I did? Oh, wait, no, put me on the spot. No, it's okay. It's okay.

No, hold on. Wait. It's not a test. Yeah. Sort of rhetorical. No, I think. Remember, because we hadn't ever had a real dinner. Yes, no, I remember.

We had only had, because all the dinners on the show was. The houses were blurring together. I was like, which house was the first house? Yeah. Wait. So, like, we've been, because we never really had dinner. Yes. Because we always were showing them we never get to eat.

So, like, we actually had a real dinner where she got, like, we're in the house, too. Like, most thinking. It created an entire, like, our last, like, dinner together. there, which I don't even know if we ate food or less, but it doesn't matter. He cooked an entire meal. Yeah. He, like, laid out, sorry, am I supposed to share detail?

Yeah, no, my name. No, a comment. He, like, laid out, like, my dress, had it all, like, ready and was, like, where, like, you know, wear this. And it was, like, literally a batch, like, candle lit. Like, everything was, like, prepared. And I was just, like, what? Yeah.

And I come downstairs, and it was, like, the date card. Like, everything was literally, like, a recreation of our date. And it was so beautiful. Like, I cried, obviously. I'm just like, yes. And it was, I won't tell them that detail. Okay. That detail is way too, like, about us.

But it was, I was sobbing. Yeah. So it was like a really sweet moment. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, so that was one of the first things. And like, I guess that's what it reminded me of seeing the proposal. Yeah.

So like in a sense. It comes in different ways. Yeah. Yeah. And like, that was, I obviously I didn't know about it back then. So that came from the heart. You're always doing. He's always doing something that like recreats a moment but makes it better.

Like you did it in London too. Yeah. Like when. because my date in London got canceled. So when we were there this past year filming for Vanderpomp, we stayed a little extra. He recreated my whole London day

except I was supposed to fly in a helicopter. You didn't expect you to do that. We didn't have a bachelor budget here. A whole lot of time either. But like we did like Big Ben. Like we did like a little tour. Like we went shopping. It was just really sweet.

But like I obviously saw up in like the fact that like he thought of that without like, just knew we were in London. You knew that my day got canceled there. You took out. It's like, remember those things. Early on in our relationship mentioning, like that, you were bummed about that. I was so, so devastated. But hey, everything works out for a reason. Hello? Yeah. But yeah, it'll come. We'll come. We'll see. We love love. And we're happy for Joey and Kelsey. We can't wait at the dance at the dance when y'all's wedding. But last but not least, okay, that's great. I hope to see that.

At ours. You feel me? You feel me? Um, okay, let's talk about you, my sunshine. Oh, shoot. You. Oh, no. Oh, no is right.

No, this is like, I'm glad you have this opportunity to talk about it. Um, so obviously we did a recent podcast, um, where Dotton shared a little bit. Actually, that was his very first time actually talking, um, publicly about his chronic chronic lower back pain. And kind of what that journey has looked like for him coming from, obviously, see before the Bachelorette and then after we got engaged and then our life thereafter and there's been a lot of struggles a lot of things that I personally had to learn as his partner and so I just want to give you the floor to kind of dive a little bit more and to share as much as you want with

the viewers and listeners okay uh yeah yeah uh something that again toward according back to our conversation a little bit about some things being difficult to share and so um last year, beginning of last year, it was sort of a sort of rock bottom for me, in a sense. And so I think that was when I realized, like, you know, like, just keep it up with the Joneses and, like, trying to, like, pretend everything's cool and, like, you know, just, like, keep up the social media, trying to make it everything look like everything's great. I realized I had to be more honest to myself. So it took a while to, like, get the courage.

But, man, like, to all my chronic work back pain people out there. I'm with you. It is such a unique fraternity to be in because it's a sort of pain and experience. If it's like mine, that it's really hard to put into words. And so, yeah, like Charity was saying, it's created some challenges. And this is the first relationship I've had where my back has been in such a bad place to where, like, it's actually sort of affected our relationship. And so there's been a lot of, a lot of self-discovery, a lot of work has been done in the background.

But, yeah, long and short, I have had chronic back pain now for started about seven years ago. It came off. I used to be a track and field athlete. I was running. Had a great race. Nationals was like ranked top 50 or something in the world. Just came up my best race ever. And then I signed with a sponsor company to go professional.

And then a couple months into the off season, I just had a little tweak on my lower back. And that happens, right? It's like, it's not like, you're like, oh, okay, fine, it will heal. But anyways, long story short, again, it just never did. Unfortunately, I spent months trying to rehab it, realized that it wasn't getting better, it was getting worse, left that and when it's, when it's functional medicine, sort of as a way to honestly, like, subconsciously heal myself, right? And it's been, so in a way, it's been a blessing in that way, like, it's giving me

the career that I have. It's giving me the knowledge that I have. Like, I became obsessive, which is why I'm good at what I do. but at the same time it took away the things that I really love and like movement is is huge for me right movement is my mental health physical health it's critical I've always been a kid I can't sit still as you know and so yeah like a point where I just had to like accept that this is what it was and eventually I I realized I had to change also like my life and like what it looked like so I can't be like being reckless I can't be like going to the gym two hours a day I just couldn't and so that that's

that a part of your identity leaves there and then you you have to refine it in a way, right? And like, so that's a tough journey, very, very tough journey. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously, like, I got into functional medicine because the doctors weren't helping, right? And so people will know this too. Like, man, like, there's such a lack of passion when it comes to health care.

Like, hopefully there's a doctor listening now. Yeah. Yeah. No, honestly. Yeah, I've been trying to find just a doctor who can give at least, you know, the minimum about it's to like actually realize what's going on and especially with someone like me I look healthy um you know because I'm not like overweight or anything like I know I still take care of myself and I still um I'm very health conscious but um inside there's like a lot of pain and it's it's

the fallouts are tremendous I can't even begin to list them but just know that there's a long list of ways that this has affected me and so um yeah it's it's been a hell of a journey um I'm grateful for the past like six months things have improved like in a sense I've sort of hit this new threshold in a sense but um it's still a long way to go and I'm not someone who you know like most doctors want you to to give up and they're they'll just tell you like this is who you are this is how you have to live or a cop out surgery cop yeah yeah or recommend surgery those aren't really on those are not options for me for me I truly believe that if there's a way to healing pretty much no matter what like for most conditions and i do believe that's mine so um

because if if i accept this if i accept this state then i don't know then it's like you know envy now like you know like i have to be able to move so i'm still fighting still working on um finding the right team the right care and oh yeah hopefully like i can put all the pieces together but um yeah it's been it's been a hell of a journey yeah it's okay and it's only upward from here um And I'll tap in just briefly, just as a partner. It's very interesting. Very interesting, very hard, but also, like, very beautiful. I think that's, like, something that I can, like, really take away from this because

I talked about it on the podcast. So just, like, going through something like this early on in our relationship, I'm, like, very, in an odd way, grateful for because it's, like, one of the hardships of life, you know, and learning him better, learning myself better, how to show up better as a partner. like that was pretty much a lot of our our journey in the past like year and so um and that's obviously something we did not like disclosed like openly to the public just we were like you know navigating that on our own but um very proud of this one for you know getting to a place where he's comfortable to talk about it because there was a little bit of you know fame there's a lot of state it yeah yeah

he's definitely gotten past that which i'm very proud of you for but yeah we won't talk too much about it, but go support this one. Send him all the love because he's an angel and I love you. Oh, thank you for your heart. Yeah. I'm removing the same and I'm looking forward to talking more about it. Every time I bring it up, it always connects with people. Yeah. I think everybody's had experience with back pain of some sort. So yeah, maybe that's why I got it. Maybe that meant to talk about it. Yeah. We'll see what the future holds today. Okay, guys, thanks so much for joining us on Bachelor. Happy. hour. We'll be back for part two with me and Dotten next time.

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