Bachelor Happy Hour - Charity Lawson: Exciting Wedding Updates, Hosting ‘Happy Hour,’ and More | Golden Hour

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan are sitting down with “Bachelor Happy Hour” host and former Bachelorette Charity Lawson! In this crossover episode, we’re diving deep with Charity to chat all things wedding, advice, and more. We kick things off by getting her very exciting wedding updates; is she walking down the aisle this year? Then, we get the inside scoop on what it’s like working with her co-host Rachel Recchia; the signs were there that they’d be perfect together. We also discuss her career as a whole and how she and Dotun navigate burnout and privacy. Plus, Charity helps dish out some advice to today’s listeners writing in; from mismatched love languages to opening your heart again after divorce, Charity is here to help. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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former bachelorette and co-host of Bachelor Happy. our charity is here with us today. Hi, girl. Hello. You guys don't understand. I've been waiting for this moment. I'm so excited to chat with you guys. I haven't seen, I haven't seen you, Susan.

I don't even know in how long. I missed you. That's a problem. Was it dancing with the stars the last time we were together? I'm pretty sure. And that's actually, ooh. That's more than a minute. Yeah, more than a minute.

Kathy, I think the last time I saw you is Zach and Katie's wedding in Austin. It was. wedding and that's also a minute so yeah that's been a so so somebody's too busy to get together with us it is not me it's not me i'm just waiting for the opportunity i really am so how are you being girl now you've got to work how are you doing charity how's everything going honestly things are good it's just honestly it's been a busy season for as you guys know like with wedding planning and just a lot of like transitions within like our personal life and I say are as an obviously inclusive of me and dot obviously live together um so just like making those transitions as seamless as possible I think has occupied my

time but other than that I'm like keeping myself busy which is great and you know I'm loving life for thriving over here yeah you moved you moved right from where are you now I'm still in New York but you moved to a different apartment yeah so I'm like I don't want to say the location, but like, yes, we moved apartments, and that was a year and a half ago. So we're almost, by the time we move out, it'll be two years completely in this, like, new apartment, which we love. We love the area.

We love, like, our neighbors here. It's been really good, a good transition for us. But you're moving again? Yes, Kathy, I need space. I got to get out of the city. That's what I'm saying. The city's fun for just so long. Are you coming to Austin, charity?

Come to Austin. Perhaps. No, we're like. After a wedding, we're going to go on this, like, world tour of, like, our top locations. We're considering, as we know, Charlotte, which I think most people know, we are considering California. And Texas is on the list, believe it or not. Is it? Texas is on there because I want to buy a home.

I need a big home. Wait, why Charlotte? I have family there. My brother lives there. Yeah, and some extended family. But I just love the area. Like Charlotte, I feel like is, like, a really good. good blend of like if you're familiar with like Atlanta area. It's kind of more like I say I'm more

refined Atlanta and a lot of people actually that live in New York in Jersey area my brother has said has moved or relocated down to Charlotte. So it's a really big growing city. But I just need a little bit slower pace. Like I want to have access to nature. I think that's been a big thing on my list. Space but also just having you know a fun vibrant community. And I think Charlotte has a lot of like a younger community but also has experience. Well, I think you should move California to the top of your list, charity. And so why, Kathy? Because you said you want a home and we all know how cheap homes are in California.

Oh, at least you can have a mansion in Charlotte. Yeah, I'm like, send me, send me some listings and we'll check it out, Kathy. Or Austin, Austin's very affordable right now. Austin is very expensive and it's beautiful though. So Kathy's just trying to set me up for failure, it seems like. No, Austin's fabulous, Charity. She just wants you to be her neighbor. That's right.

Yeah, that's what it is. I love that. And then when you have babies, all babysit. See, I've got it all planned. And that, I do love. I do love that. There you go. Because that's on the menu at some point.

I love this. And how about him? Does he have favorites or? I think he is biased to Cali because obviously he was raised there. But I am convincing him a little bit on the Charlotte. He does like Charlotte. So we will see. So he's been there then, yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has. Like we spent Thanksgiving there, obviously with my brother. Yeah, he likes it. I just, we need to like spend quality time. So not just like a week. We need to be there for like two weeks, three weeks and get a feel. And like go out.

See what our social life would be like. Community. Yeah. So wait, before we get into all our questions about, you know, hosting and influencing and all that, the world that we all share. You guys have a wedding date or you don't? We do.

I just, we are not obviously publicly disclosing that. But it's next, it's 27, right? I need to know ahead of time if I'm invited, you know. Okay, so let me clear the air. I'll clear it on here. So we are having two weddings, which I think I have been very,

yes, two weddings. So our traditional Nigerian wedding, which is the one that I think most people are like on the edge of their seats for it, that is 2027. Okay. I won't say obviously,

win, but our traditional American white wedding is this year. And we're incorporating some Nigerian elements into that as well. Oh, so you guys really, you, the knot is about to be tied. It's about to be. Yeah. I'm like, it's kind of like crazy because I keep looking at him and I'm like, I've been practicing saying hubby and like husband. I'm like, this is weird. This is my husband. Yeah. wifey. Right. Right. I mean, but you're together. It feels like that. You're together. No, that's what I'm saying. It's like, I ask people every time I'm like, when you get married, does like anything really change? And they're like, not really, but like, it's just more sweeter. And I'm like, I actually love that.

The introduction. That's all. Yeah, exactly. Instead of fiance, this is my husband. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. I'm so excited for you guys. Okay. I want to know what it's like hosting with Rachel. Like, what are the best parts? What's difficult? Tell me about. about it. Oh my God. Okay. We honestly are, I feel like such a fun duo and I did not anticipate that. Like I was close with Rachel beforehand, but like not as close as we are now, obviously, because we work together. But when we first got caught in for like our little mock interview, we showed up. I was wearing green. She was wearing like all pink. And I was like, we are literally Cynthia and Ariana from Wicked. I was like, this is meant to be. And like the,

The mock interview went so good. It's just like, and keep in mind, I haven't like chat it with Rachel in that capacity in like so long. It was just so natural for us. I was like, wait, I might like this. And then obviously we got into it. And she is just such a joido, like co-host with I, it doesn't feel like work, which I obviously love.

I love that about this. It's funny. Like we obviously have our little sidebar texts and we talk about everything. I will say the difficult part of it is. like obviously we're on Zoom and we can't always be in person. Our in-person interviews, which are few and far between, we have not had a ton, but those have been stellar. Are they fun?

They are so fun. I wish we were in L.A. just, yes, just so we could go to the studio. It's so cool. What is the hardest part about being a host in general? And then I know, because, you know, Susan and I started just a little bit before you, maybe a year or two, what has been the biggest struggle? when starting out those two things i'm curious i think just like getting into like the flow and knowing like obviously with us being on zoom like not talking over each other and for us a big word

that we use a lot like like like like like we know we know it is so hard i'm like when i listen to you yes it's it's i think it's also just like something younger people struggle with too because when i did public speaking in college that was always like the one thing that you have to keep in mind and not saying, like filler words in general, it's just a lot harder. Yes, exactly. Like, knowing that silence is okay. So I will say that's been the hardest thing and then just like getting into that natural flow.

But I think once we stop thinking about it, which our past or previous most recent interviews have shown this is like when we're not thinking about it, it's just a natural conversation, you know? And did you discover anything about yourself or your personality that people that watched you on The Bachelor that they did. know about you. Because when you're on a podcast, you're talking, you're showing your real feelings. Yeah, I think the first few episodes were maybe a little surprising to some people. They're just like, oh, like, you know, Charity is a little bit more sillier and goofier, which I'm like, I've been saying

this. It's just you guys didn't see it all. But like, obviously, like, no surprise to die. He sees us every day. But yeah, I think people get to see just like a little bit more of like my banter if I can, you know, include it in the interview or just how quick I am on my feet with, come back or just like yeah I like I try not to take yeah like I try not to take it too serious like it's not meant to be like oh my gosh like you're on trial

like you are yeah yeah so I have enough I'm just curious I know you were starting a career before you got into reality TV what you I mean you were on the show then you were lead what has been the hardest part for you

I'll never have the answer this question but because i'll never be a lead but what was the hardest part about turning a reality tv let's call it an opportunity um into really actually making it into a career a career yeah um i think the hardest part for me per se is like learn like i think starting off when i came off the show and especially like between the transition of like dancing with the stars too everything was just like okay it was like at my disposal like i could pick and choose like what i wanted to like do and i think because it's also new, you say yes to a lot of things. And it's like, yeah, like, I want to do this.

Yeah, I want to do this. And then as time has gone on, I've learned to be like, okay, that's great, but, like, that's not necessarily me or it doesn't bring, like, full, like, fulfillment to me. And I think I'm in that season right now of, like, fine-tuning and crafting, like, what brings me, like, true joy. And I think, like, I don't know if a lot of people talk about this, but I will say it's definitely been something that me and Dot, like, obviously bond over and talk a lot about, but just, like, kind of getting a little burnt out. Like, I feel like when it comes to, like,

obviously, influencing stuff and, you know, being in this space, it can, it can start to feel a little repetitive or just like, okay, it's like the same old same oh. And, like, you kind of go through this, like, same cycle, no matter, like, what brand you're working with or what opportunity comes. And, yeah, like, for me, I was like, I noticed early, I was like, wait, I don't like I'm not motivated to do this or I don't really know like this makes sense to do. And like you if you can notice that burnout, I think for us like an important thing was like kind of just like taking a step back like I said and just, you know, fine tuning and realizing, okay, I don't have to say yes to everything. And like if this isn't, you know, makes sense for me. I don't need to do. So I think that's just where I'm at right now. But I will say I'm very grateful obviously for like being the lead and like having these opportunities. It has truly been. able to give my life a lot more flexibility and just, um...

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You're about to get married, family, all the things, picking where to live. Yeah. That, to me, I, as, as a mom, I want you to enjoy all those things because those were also first that you're never going to get to do again. Exactly. So, yeah, it's really fun part. I know, I know.

And that's the thing. It's like, it's crazy because even with like, you know, wedding planning, I will say this too because I'm very open, open book, but something that like came up a lot for us in therapy or just something that I verbalized in therapy was like, oh, even my wedding planning season looked a lot different. than how I envisioned it as like a 16 year old girl because like yeah 16 year 16 year old girl I didn't think like oh I would go off to be like you know a lead of a hit TV show and then like my life kind of follows this trajectory and obviously like I have autonomy I can choose and you know all these things are true but also it's like something to acknowledge that you know it's great but it's also very different than you know what I anticipated it to be and even like for my parents it's like you know them helping out in this way, but like I may not need help in this way. So things are just a little bit different. But I think just coming in terms with that. And like you said, like being okay with it, but also like slowing down and enjoying those moments and being present is like really what's most important for me.

Yeah. So let's talk about therapy for a while. Do people write in and ask questions and want to know your opinion and when you sit back and say, oh my gosh, like I'm going to give these people advice? Yeah. No, honestly, that's like one of my favorite things. Whenever I do like the little ask me anything, I'm like, please ask me like, you know, help with your boyfriend or like help with like, oh, I'm moving. I'm going off to college.

Like what was like, you know, the biggest tip. Like I love answering and like giving advice to people. Even if it like people don't take it, that's fine. But I always like try to like use my experience or just my knowledge and wisdom that I've been so blessed with to like help other people. That makes me so happy. I'm like, yes, I care about like, do you like my sunglasses? I'll link those for you. But I'm like, I also like, you know, I want to like help people.

And I think that's a reminder for me to like, oh, remember that I can still utilize some of those things and skills in this like setting. Sometimes they'll ask a question that you actually expect. Oh, I know exactly what I did wrong or that was so toxic. Please like save yourself. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Susan, you know, Susan I love to answer questions too.

that sometimes people write in, even though we always say, we're not therapists, you know, you, but we definitely have opinions and we live a lot of life. But you have a bit of a therapy background. You started to go down that road. So I'm curious how you do try to keep your life private. But it's the irony of your relationship playing out publicly and giving advice and wanting to keep your private life. How do you balance all those? It's, it is tricky.

And I'm like, I don't even know if I'm going to give like, per se a right answer. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. But I think it's just, it's a matter of just like, for me, what I feel like makes sense and what I feel like is genuine or authentic. Like, there are times, there's plenty of times where I could truly have my camera out all the time.

Yeah. But even just between like the dynamic between me and Dot, as we know, Dot is a very like, he's a very chill guy. This man just goes with the blow. Yeah. But there's also times where he's like, yeah, I just want to be present.

Like, I don't want, like, the camera here. I don't, and, like, we had that conversation very early on in our relationship. So that boundary was already set. And I think it helped laid that foundation work for the expectation for, like, our audience to be like, okay, Charity and Dotten are going to share this aspect, but they probably won't share, like, you know, all the other tidbits that we really want to know. So I think because we did that so early on, it's less of something that I have to think about. it just comes of what feels natural or like what I feel like, okay, this is maybe worth sharing,

this is maybe not worth sharing, or even just like hard things. It's like if I think someone can benefit from it, from me talking about it, that's something that I am inclined to share versus like, you know, something that's like a little bit more silly or I think is frivolous and it's like not really worth me like giving insight to everybody about. I don't do that. And some things you share so much of your life. Some things are kept privately. Some personal things between you and him don't have to be shared to everybody.

Yeah. Yeah. And I am like, I live by this model of like, you know, what people don't know, they can't really interject or like kind of get their hands into. And it's so true. I think like this past week and I'll say it, like if she's listening, she's a, she's a fan for real. But I did a, I did a question box.

And one of the most asked questions always is like, what's our wedding date? which is like it's not news to me i've seen that every single time i put up a question box but i finally decided to like respond and was like i put it publicly i was like yes like this is the most asked question but we're keeping this like private we're not disclosing and i got the most insane like response back to that like she basically was like oh like you're bitchy for not responding you share so much about your wedding process and i was like okay so it's private right i was like this one the concept went over her head and that's okay let me break it down.

I'm like, we are, like, you guys are not entitled to any of our lives. What we choose to share is what we choose to share, what we choose to keep to ourselves,

is what we keep to ourselves. And that's, like, you just have to be okay. Like, I think parisocial relationships, we need to, we need a check.

Everyone needs a reality check on. And both of you are used to people stopping you on the street. Can I have a picture? Can I, can I, I don't think any of us turn people down. We all love it.

Yeah. Apologize for it. I'm so sorry. What do you? sorry for. Right. I'm like no, like let's enjoy them out. Like I do love that. I'm like, I never am like no, don't take a picture. Yeah. They were

watching where would we be, right? Hello, exactly. But I Charity, I'm curious when you were the Bats were at and you're in that time capsule and you have to think on the spot. Now you're doing a podcast where

you have time to think about your answers and look at them. I'm saying has giving other people advice forced you to reflect back on your time as a Bachelorette how you would have done things, what you would have said. Do you feel differently now about those things? Yes and no. Like, I feel like I still would have,

like I'm like, hopefully this is right. Like, I feel like I still would have answered it the same. It's you. Yeah, I think that's the one thing that I can take away from my journey is like I didn't try to show up or be anything that I wasn't. Like how I would respond now is exactly how I would respond. So you would have made the same decisions? Probably so.

Like there's things obviously like you have hindsight on, but I'm like, no, like I think I would have probably went into it the exact same way. Yeah. Wow. That's impressive. I mean, it's great. Wouldn't you? What would you have done different? Yeah.

I'm like, you tell me, Kathy. Me? Yeah. Yes. I mean. You wouldn't have said zip it? I mean. No, she would have.

No, I would have. I mean, I don't know, because I was never a leader. I wasn't in your position, charity. I didn't have this. So, you know, it's, it's a little bit, it's just a little bit different for me. I think there is a little bit like, and I will, okay, I can answer this part. I think there is a little bit more pressure, like being the lead of, like, kind of feeling like you have to do things right.

But, like, as I've said it so many times in my journey and after, like, there isn't a blueprint. Like, nobody has, like, this is the framework that you have to stay within. So it's like you're going to do some things right. You're going to do some things wrong. And like you just have to be okay with that. And so I think like I came to peace with that. Even if I was to go back and do things differently, like there is still that like that pressure doesn't go away. Remember those exact words when you become a mommy.

Just remember exactly what you said. There is no right and wrong. They don't come with instructions. And I know that day will happen for you someday. Just know. you do what feels natural, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, thank you.

That's so sweet. I'm speechless. We're getting all emotional now because we want that next. No, just enjoy the wedding years. For sure. Just to say let her enjoy the wedding. And her first house. As you were speaking, that's all that was going through my mind.

That's good advice. No, that is important. And that is like, yeah, I'm like, I think that's something too. Like, obviously we've been talking about, like, parenting and future kids at some point. I'm like, yeah, like, I do wonder how I'll be as a mom. I am like a little hard of myself. You're going to be tiny.

They're going to be taller than you. That's all I can say. No, I know. I'm like a little nervous. I'm like, hopefully I'm like, we'll see how this. They're either going to be really tall or really short. Or really short. But you know what?

It is true. There's no. I mean, we give so much advice through our podcast. But in raising kids, when you say you wonder what kind of of mom you'll be, Charity. Yeah. promise you, you are going to say and do things when you have children that you thought you would never say or do. You're going to be great in some areas that you didn't think you would be.

And you're going to be, how the hell did I get here? That's just what being a parent is. So just get on the ride and ride. Okay. So every week at charity, you have such great advice. But we answer questions from the golden perspective. Okay. So this week, we want you to do it. And I can do the first one. I've been so nervous to write in, but here I am. My boyfriend and I have completely different love languages. He tells me he loves me 10 times a day, but rarely helps around the house or plans dates. Meanwhile, I'd rather have one thoughtful gesture than hear the words a hundred times. How do you help someone understand what actually you? makes you feel loved without making them feel like they're doing everything wrong. And this comes from

Kelly in Nashville. Okay, Kelly in Nashville. This is a great question because I'm like, I think this is something that is going to always be something that's evolving in relationships or partnerships. I will say, I've learned early on your partner cannot read your mind. So you just kind of have to lay things out, like plain and simple. Um, to. Um, to. To tiptoe around things only makes things worse, in my opinion and further perpetuates that cycle or whatever it is. So I would say obviously have a conversation up front and just be like, listen, you can always lead with what they're doing well, but also fill in with, hey, this would also be really helpful. I think this is something that for me, this is what I am drawn more to. This is what I connect more to and just lay it out.

Like don't obviously make them feel bad and be like, stop saying I love you every day or like 10 times a day. Like, yeah, we don't want to make the person feel worse. But I do think that there's a way to like obviously maneuver and handle that conversation to where you're acknowledging their strengths, but also saying this is areas that they could improve in. And that would better help you perceive or feel the love from them. I love that you said start with something positive. Yeah. Because you're making it sound much, and it is, much more like a partnership where you're working together. These are the good things.

These are the things that need some work. I think that is so wise. Kelly, take her advice because everyone wants to feel appreciated. Right? And Kelly, I think you should just go by the book and have a night out with your husband. It's very small, the love languages, and talk about each and every one of them. So he understands that everybody has one. Some people have two.

I might have four. But we just show them what that means, what that is. And it's an eye-opener. It really is. No, it really is. Yes. And I will say, too, like, I think a big thing that people don't realize because even I had to learn this, like, especially with Doc,

because he's, you know, we're so complex. Everyone, like you said, some people have multiple love languages. Yes. You know, one that's, like, super strong. but like how you like how I love doesn't necessarily mean that that's the way they receive yeah and like it's great but it's like that's not helpful for me or that's you know that makes you feel good doing it because you think he's going to love it but that's not his love language exactly i think we did a whole podcast on love language yeah i mean but i got to say just on that question

words of affirmation telling kelly he loves her that's i don't It is absolutely beautiful, but that doesn't get the laundry done. I mean, there's a little practical side of relationships. It's about feeling love the way you receive it. Yeah, exactly. Do you have a love language? Kathy, what's your love language? Oh, thank you, Charity.

I mean, all right, what are yours in Danton's? I just asked you, what is your love language? My? You're on the spot. Yeah. I told you, I like to receive time well spent. I like time spent. Quality time.

Well, that's it, quality time. And that's, and I like to give by words of affirmation and spending quality time. For me, I like to give it and receive it. And that's why Susan, I've had this conversation where it's very confusing. For Kelly, she doesn't, she needs something other than what she's getting. And while it's wonderful, some women never are told they feel loved and this guy is telling her. So it's what you need. All right, now your turn, Charity.

What are yours? My love language is what I need to hear from, let's say, dot, words of affirmation and physical touch. That's mine. Oh, yeah, I forgot physical touch. That too. I like them all. I like them all. I want them.

Let's be honest. Surprise me with a gift. I don't know what I do. Yeah. You know what? I want the gifts. Yeah. Really, when you get down to it, is wait, is that awful?

to want them all? No, of course not. But there's usually one main one that makes you feel something when they do it. Like when you take the test or whatever, like, they'll all like be probably in the same mark, but you have one that's a little bit further. Yes. All right.

I need to take the test because really. Do you know what Dalton's is? Yes. Dot is acts of service and quality time. Okay. And I will add in physical touch, but yes, yes. Yeah. You've heard the chaos.

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Shauna and she's from Tampa. Okay. And she says, after my divorce, I promised myself I'd never settle again. Now, I've met someone who's kind, funny, and makes me genuinely happy. But every time things get serious, I start looking for the flaw.

It's like I'm waiting for the relationship to fall apart before it even has a chance. How do you know if you're protecting yourself or just sabotaging something good? That's a damn good question. Yeah, it is. I think because she was burnt and had a divorce that she thinks it's all going to be the same bad, if you will. And that too, but I also think there is probably like this, maybe this not so great perception of that it's going to all be like great like she probably has this expectation of like the next guy like she said not settling not settling doesn't mean that

the most perfect guy is going to come in your life either like we're not perfect human so there's going to be a flaw at some point it's just how you navigate and work through those flaws and how those conversations and like I guess to the point of like is it something enough that you can tolerate and learn to grow in versus like, oh, I don't, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I think there is a world where I'm like, yeah, obviously protect yourself. Don't just like accept whatever. But I would say like to consciously, it sounds like this is something she's consciously doing

where she's looking for something. I do think that that can potentially be like a dangerous zone point. I hope that makes sense. I feel like it's her. I feel like she doesn't, we don't know the. right what happened in the divorce. Like she don't trust it. I feel like she doesn't trust herself or doesn't trust that something good will stay good.

Because I think probably when she got married the first time, she didn't walk into it saying, what day is my marriage going to be over? So now it was good in the beginning. So now she's in this relationship and she's probably afraid to trust that it could be good. And to your point, charity, not perfect, but good. And so I think it comes down to her trusting her. herself too. And maybe she was so surprised when she saw the flaws in her marriage and it did work that she's expecting the worst no matter what. But if everything's going good, I wouldn't look for them.

That's where I'm at. I'm not in the ministry of looking for bad. I'm like, unless it's knocking at my door. Yes, I live in a happy life. If it is, Charity, don't answer the door. You ain't got to worry about it. It's locked, secured. All right. Well, we love answering. your questions and Charity, you're helping us today who's fabulous. But for those of you who want to send us a burning question so we can give you a fabulous answer, go to bachelornation.com slash golden hour, submit your questions, your comments, and then come back next week. And who knows, we may answer your question. Now we're going to have some fun. Are you ready? This is called rapid fire. We love it. We're going to ask charity some fun, rapid fire questions. And you just

Give us your first thought. You ready? Okay. Okay. Who gives better advice? You or Rachel? Me. Sorry, Rachel.

Okay. Who's more likely to play devil's advocate, you or Rachel? Rachel. What's a dating rule you think is complete BS? Um, okay. Am I going to get canceled for this? Yikes. No.

Um. It's not, I don't know if it's as common, but like the expectation maybe that like a guy should be dropping like $800 on the first date. I think that's a little like, I think that's a little much. I do. I do too. I'm like, why would you get canceled for that? I think that's a great answer. I should add in to my defense.

I just think it's like, you know, like maybe I'm different, but I'm like, I also wouldn't mind like, I don't know, doing like a dinner and then like going to like walk like the river or something. That's a nice little first day. Yeah, I like it. Get to know each other. Have conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we can expect for the bill to be increased significantly. There we go.

There you go. We have to get to point A to point B. All right. Hello. Hello. What's one right flag that you used to ignore? Oh, I used to make excuses for it, but like delayed communication. I'm like, oh, they're working.

No, respond. It takes two seconds. Thank you. Thank you, Charity. Thank you. And what's an underrated green flag? Oh, I say this because it's Dot and people had told me this is a green flag. That he's like not really opinionated.

Like he's not a man with like super strong opinions like in terms of I guess helping make choices and stuff. He's not like, oh like I care about. Like which shoes do you like better? Wait a minute. So what that means is Charity gets to have her own way. What we're hearing is Charity gets to make this. I like this. Perfect. Easy going man.

What is one relationship hill you'll die on? Oh, come on. That's easy. Loyalty. Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, I'm like if you put it as simple as that, I was thinking something more complex.

But yeah. What were you thinking? I don't even know. I was like, yeah, I was trying to like find something. I was like, whoa. This is going to change the whole. old atmosphere. All right, here's correct. Loyalty is correct.

Always and forever. Thank you, Charity. Is there a dating dilemma where you think you give terrible advice? Is there a dating dilemma? Where you think you would give terrible advice.

No, I think I'm pretty, when it comes to, yeah, no. Yeah, I don't think so. I don't play. My advice is everything that I did wrong. I mean, you have to learn from literally. Like that's why I'm so passionate about it. I'm like, this is everything that I used to do wrong. And I saw the outcome of it.

And we learned. So listen to me. Yeah. What's harder? Taking advice or giving it? Taking advice. Yeah. I think we can all agree on that.

Yeah. Okay. What's something you've learned about women from hosting the podcast? Like me and Rachel or I guess? Just women in general. Maybe people you've answered questions. whatever, just, you know, women. That were 99% of the time right.

I loved her. You're not going to hear me argue that one. What's something you've learned about yourself? Ooh, I learned about myself. I'm like, this is good. I'm like, I don't know if I've reflected on this. I will say maybe, I guess how, like, sometimes I underestimate how good of a conversational is I could be, like how well I'm able to have conversations,

but obviously even being on this podcast, I'm like, no, it's still there. But like, I think just learning my telling myself to like slow down and like it's okay, like being comfortable with speaking in your own skin. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. I think like I've gotten really good at that. And I think that's a sign of maturity.

You know who you are. You like who you are. You're proud of who you are. And you know what, Cherty? And if you can help somebody else along the way. Yeah. Period. Thank you.

And Cherty, you've said, I've said this too many times when I've seen you. I cannot believe your age because I think you're so wise beyond your years. I've said that to you before. Like you're. You have. So that, that's it. Okay. Finish this sentence.

If the bachelor taught me anything about relationships, it's. Ah. That is an ebb and flow. Hello. Good answer. All true. One more. Finish this sentence.

Everyone should stop dating people who... God, look so easy. Who don't... Wait, what? Oh, go. I have my hand up. I'm in school. I have the answer.

Who don't make them... Who don't make them a priority. I was going to say who don't spend quality time, but yes. To make them a priority. Good job. See, it's not so hard, guys. We have three different women here. It's just not that difficult.

I mean, it isn't. Charity, you are, as always, I miss seeing you in person, but this has been a blast. Thank you for joining us on Golden Hour. We cannot wait to hear. I have your number. I will be tormenting you about the wedding. Yes. You know, I will.

If I don't see you guys before the cruise, I'm like maybe the next time I see, but hopefully I do. Yeah, we're going to see each other on the cruise. That's coming. Listen, if you and Dot want to come to office, I have a guest room, your own private bathroom. Can you take us golfing? Like, we just need, I need to, like, hit something. Yeah.

I just said that to her. I have all my clubs refaced. And I need, wait, what was the drink that you introduced me to, Susan? It was, what is it called? One with champagne and... It's Bloody Mary and beer. Oh, God, a Bloody beer. A bloody beer.

You have to drink that on the golf course. Okay, so, Kathy, I'm going to text you about availability. and Susan needs to be there and we're going to go to the golf course and I'll bring my clubs. I remember that day on the golf course. I have an extra set of clubs for you, Charity, but I don't have a set of extra club. They're going to be too long for her, Catherine. Correct. Oh, yeah, you are tall.

All right, I'll get a child. I'll get a little tight set for you. I'll bring my grandson's clothes. That works. Okay, where can everybody find you? They should have already found me, but if they have not, it's at Charity Lawson on Instagram and then Charity Dot Lawson on TikTok. Okay.

Okay. And anything else you want to share with us? Anything else coming up? I don't know. A move, a wedding, buying a host. Anything else you want to share with us? No, I pick up my wedding dress soon. So probably by the time this episode comes out,

I would already have her hanging in the closet somewhere. So I have to keep that a secret from us. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Dot is not going to see it, is he? No, hopefully not. I know. I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to do.

like we i'm like do i take it to my parents it'll be in a bag it'll be in a bag he's not going to like unzip yeah that's what i'm saying he's not like he's not he's not a looker he doesn't search for things you think he'll cry oh he would hopefully i'm like if not i'm just kidding kidding kidding kidding kidding no some you some men you just know when they look at you and that beautiful i mean so you'll do the first look you're going to do the first look that is yeah breaking news we are going to do a first look yeah okay oh there's some hot news right there are you writing your own vows uh yeah we're getting deep i just performed a wedding for two women up in northern california i'm i'm gonna have to take a beta blocker because i you guys know i cry at everything i'm gonna be like oh my god

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