Bachelor Happy Hour - Charity Lawson & Kathy Swarts’ Thoughts on The Bachelorette, Plus: Meet Christopher | Bachelor Happy Hour

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Charity Lawson and Kathy Swarts unpack the recent news surrounding “The Bachelorette.” Our hosts address the show’s current pause, speaking directly to fans and clearing up the speculation and rumors that have been circulating. Charity and Kathy reflect on what’s been unfolding in real time and offer honest insight shaped by their own experiences. Then, we shift gears and officially kick off a new mini-series where you’ll get to know the men of “The Bachelorette” Season 22. “Bachelor Happy Hour” will be the only place you’ll hear directly from the cast, as we sit down with each of the men to talk about how they’re feeling right now and share more of their stories beyond what viewers have seen. We’re starting things off with Christopher, who joins us to introduce himself and open up about his journey. Tune in now for all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss a single conversation with Taylor’s men.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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very, very long week in Bachelor nation. And today we will be covering some sensitive topics. And we want to give the disclaimer and flag that now. Thank you, Kathy, for being here. I'm happy to be here with you, charity. Yeah. So as we know it, a lot really has happened and transpired over the past week. And, you know, I think it's really important for us to be able to come on here to be transparent with our audience, this franchise, this fan base, and really just talk about everything. And, honest as we can. And, you know, you guys are a part of this franchise as much as we are. And so that's really what me and Kathy are going to do today. I think it's only fair for us to talk about what we know, what we're feeling. For me, we don't know. We're not, you know, we're not

Taylor. We're not in the middle of this. We're seeing what everyone else has seen. We're seeing what we see online, what we're reading. And clearly, there's a lot of accusations flying. And personally, I've had, in my family, a lot of issues around mental health issues in my own sphere. And I think that we, as a podcast community, as a part of the franchise, that we love so much, we need to be cognizant of fact and hope that our listeners also understand this is sort of uncharted territory. And my support always will go to children. I just feel like that's something that needs to be said. No, I agree wholeheartedly. It is a tricky situation, obviously. And, you know, like you said, you have experience with mental health, as do I.

former therapist and specifically working with children and families. Yeah, the news itself was very hard to see and to hear about. But again, one of those things that, you know, for anyone, I feel like with, you know, operating in a clear space or as much as they can when, you know, news like this transpires is being very careful about, you know, I don't want to say siding, but just kind of going with the facts. And so obviously we are not a part of that relationship nor that dynamic. And so we don't have all the facts. We are also on the other side of everything and learning everything kind of in real time with the rest of the world, which is very hard. One of those things I always say is like two things can exist at the same time.

And I think, you know, you can acknowledge that something is not good. And you can also acknowledge that, oh, you know, there's things that are still. unfolding and right and I think I think it's you know it's very easy for people to judge other situations although my life is very different from Taylor's I feel like this this franchise is about love and I feel that even though it's a different story Taylor deserves love she deserves to find that second chapter third chapter find that that man that can bring her love and happiness while dealing with all or other issues. So, you know, I was hoping, and I'm still hoping for a redemptive story from this show.

We don't know. It's not canceled. You know, it's on pause. The show, please, people listen, the show has not been canceled. At this point, it is only on a pause. It is not canceled. Do you feel like, for Taylor's sake, do you wish that? that there was maybe more time in between that segue for filming.

Well, if you just, of course, I mean, that would be great. Yeah. Had that been the case. But I think that, again, I am not a therapist, but I did come from a family of abuse. And I don't, and I'm not throwing darts at anyone because I don't have all the facts. But I can tell you to escape from abusive situations. is really tough to do. And so I think in, I'm not in Taylor's head space,

but I feel like if she thought she was ready, if she wanted that, it's always easy to play Monday morning quarterback. You know, that's easy to say she wasn't ready. This happened, that happened. So, you know, I can't make those judgments. I mean, in an ideal world, charity, sure. She would have all of her ducks in a row. She would have dealt with the issues that she's been dealing with for a few years.

You know, life just doesn't hand us always neatly tied packages in bows. No, for sure. And we do the best we can. And I feel as a woman and a mom, I am supportive of her. And I'm supportive of her story and wanting her to have a great end to her story and find love. Yeah. Did you have an opportunity to meet Taylor? I have never met her, but I hope to.

I hope to meet her. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, I think, as I say, we don't know the full story. There's a lot of people that have put a lot of time. And I'm, you know, all her guys on the show, people have put a lot of time and energy. And you were a lead. I have yet to be a lead, but, you know, never give up hope.

Never give up hope. But the stress of that in addition to everything else, that's going to be a lot. That's going to be a lot too. And I don't think we should forget that fact either. No. And I think that's what I always take into consideration is just like when I, you know, when I ask that question or when I praise that question, it's it's just like obviously like, unless you have, and I don't mean this in like a cocky way, but like unless you have been in the shoes of a lead.

Right. No one really understands like how complex and how exhausting it is on all fronts. And so that's why I ask that because again, I'm like, I'm rooting for everyone always, rooting for everyone to be in the best state of, you know, their self, whatever it is. I really do believe that Taylor wants to find stability for herself and her children. I believe that. I think as a mom, you know, I'm I've made mistakes, believe me, raising my kids. I'm not throwing any stones at anyone. I believe that her journey is a little bit different. Yeah. Than yours or mine. Yeah.

But that doesn't make it any less real and it doesn't make her journey to find love any less valid. Okay. I'm going to reference back to what you just said, Kathy, about how, you know, you said life doesn't really give you things wrapped in a bow. And while I 100% agree with that, I think, you know, in this specific situation, we have to be, like, extremely mindful of that because, yes, Taylor is deserving of love. And I think at the end of the day, it is, we're all in the same page of, like, rooting for her love. But I think coming from a place where she is, you know, a mom of three, she has had, you know, turmoil in her life. and she's, you know, trying to figure things out. I think she owes it not only to herself, but most importantly, to her kids to enter this

environment in the absolute best state of being, best state of mind possible. And if this was any other dating show, and granted, if she was not, again, I'm just going to continue emphasizing her kids because I feel like that's the priority here. If this was any other dating show, it would have been fine, you know. But she is looking for a husband. She's looking for someone who's going to now step into the lives of her children. and she has she again she owes it to herself to show up the best and clear state of being and clear state of mind so that she can then leave this experience with what she pours in and not

saying that she you know she doesn't give that but I think it can sometimes be clouded it can sometimes be a little bit blurred when you're leaving something that's so chaotic and then you're going into this as we know bachelor and just the dates we go on the experience itself is almost like a little bit of a fairy tale, it kind of clouds that judgment a little bit. And I can speak from my own personal experience, someone who did, you know, do basically a year of therapy before I even went on to The Bachelor and then Bachelorette. It's like I was so like locked in on myself fixing the things that I needed to work on. And I'm still fixing them. So that's not the argument here. It's just I'm doing what I can to prep myself. And I think, you know, that is something that I feel very strongly

about in regards to supporting Taylor and all of this. Like I am supportive and I want happiness for her, but I do wish that there was a little bit of an opportunity for her to kind of just get her footing before all of this a little bit more and just be top of her game. Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I think I think given what we've seen, you know, definitely a tall order. I don't disagree with you at all. Yeah.

I do think there was, you know, so much going on. and a tangled web that maybe the time, you're right, maybe the time wasn't spent untangling her own web to then be her best version of herself to enter into this incredible opportunity. I don't just agree with you at all. And another thing, like kind of going off that, Kathy, a little bit, is that we do kind of see a little bit of,

I guess, a double standard in how we label things. I'm like, I am so in tune with just like pop culture and just who's on our screen. and who's not on our screen, who's behind our screens, all of that. And I feel like when we have someone that's, you know, like Taylor, who has this built-in platform where people are invested in, you know, how her life turns out, whether that's, you know, great or whether that's not so great. A lot of the dialogue around just how we describe Taylor is someone who's like, you know,

she stands out for herself or she's like, you know, she's this boss bitch, which, sure, I think anyone who has the right to be very outspoken. and can tell anyone, you know, where their place is in regards to her life, whether that's a boundary or not. I agree with that. But I think it's not an across the board, an even standard that everyone holds all people when they come across our screens. So I think there is a little bit of a double standard there. If that was someone granted like me, like on my season, I had to carry myself like almost too perfect to the point where like that wasn't even my like real personality. Like it's, I'm so afraid of making a mistake or I'm so afraid of like, oh, I'm going to get labeled as this aggressive woman versus like, oh, she's having a boss bitch moment.

Like there's a big distinguishment there that I don't think people are really acknowledging and really sitting with and understanding that that's fine if we want to like label that as like a boss bitch moment. But that should be the case for everybody. Anyone who's standing out from themselves, anyone who's saying, you know what, I don't like how you just talk to me. you're going home, you're getting in the limo, or you want to have a one-on-one back and forth with me, let's have it. But it's like, that doesn't paint someone else who doesn't look like Taylor or doesn't fit in that box of Taylor as someone who is aggressive. And I think that's something that we really need to be mindful, really need to be mindful.

You said just a few seconds ago that she had had the right with this platform. I would change that and say, which I think addresses where you're going to be. going, it's privilege. And with privilege comes responsibility. 100%. And so I think that just because you have, or not you, she, anyone really, who has that that chance to be what some would consider a boss bitch and what some would consider outspoken and, you know, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It also comes in my mind, with a responsibility, you've got to be held a little bit higher. And you're right. If you don't look the same, there's other judgment factors at play there that aren't fair, which makes the cocktail

mix even stronger and your point, even more poignant. Yeah, no, I agree. And that's, I like how you word that with privilege does come a huge responsibility. And I think it all ties back to just, you know, whether or not someone like Taylor or just people who, you know, whatever that looks like, has that awareness. I think it starts with honestly self-awareness and how you carry yourself, how you conduct yourself, whatever it may look like. At the end of the day, it's like being aware of where you fall in this world of what we call life. Yeah, some people just are set up a little bit better and some not so much. But at the end of the day, that's not my argument. Like at the end of the day we all make it out for ourselves, but I just want our audience and our viewers to like really

be mindful when we're how we're describing people or just how we're talking about people and making sure that, you know, if we're going to hold someone to this level of accountability, we hold everyone to the same level. And that's just my thing. Life isn't fair. But at the end of it, I think this is where we as a society has kind of failed a little bit of not really staying true to that. And this is another opportunity. I think you're right. This is an opportunity, not just to see the chaos and the mess and her ability to find love, but to say here we are going to stand up.

And this is yet a chance for us to show accountability that it should be held across the board. So thanks for sharing that, charity. 100%. You know, accountability is a big word. I want to make sure that everyone is seeing and understanding what that looks like in this situation and and staying true to that. And not glossing over it. Good point.

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a Formula One culture podcast that dives into the under-explored pockets of the sport. In each episode, a different guests and I will go deeper into the wacky mishaps, scandals, and sagas, both on the... the track and far away from it that have made F1 a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no grip on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think, you know, something that I'm very mindful of is, you know, we talked about this, Kathy, is just like how complex the situation is. And I just want to be really sensitive, especially, like I said, considering my personal background.

of holding space for people who have been in these situations and people who find themselves in whatever these relationship dynamics might look like. You know, like myself coming across that video a week ago was extremely difficult. And I think the most part, the most important thing of it all is the child being present. And, you know, I think you, Kathy could probably speak to a little bit of, you know, what that dynamic is like if you're okay with that? Yeah, I mean, obviously when I was a child many, many years ago, that we didn't have the social media and the recording capabilities.

But I personally was my family was a very toxic. I grew up in a very toxic family. And I know Taylor talks about the toxic cycles that she has gone through. It is very difficult for me to watch that because as a child, I was caught up in one of those cycles. And so it is very triggering. I think that Taylor, this video was made in 2023. This while we only saw it last week, it was recorded three years ago. And Taylor has spoken about it.

She's not backed away from it. It doesn't make it any easier to watch it, and especially when there's children involved. It's just a really hard thing to witness. Yeah. I also think we need to remember that this is not entertainment. It's not. Let's talk about it. Oh, my God.

These are real people's lives. This is not somebody saying something silly and created some great chaos. that at some point, at some level is always entertaining. I stand by that. Yeah, these are real people's lives. And that, to me, makes a big difference as well. I agree. I agree.

There should not be, I won't, again, won't tell people how to feel, but there should not be any satisfaction behind watching any of this unfold. If you care about people, if you care about human life, you would care about both parties, getting help, getting support. getting the necessary resources to really fix this situation and turn it around. It is my hope, and I know it's yours, charity, everyone involved. I hope they get the help they need to resolve this situation in a way that is of benefit to them and the children.

Because, you know, I said as a mom, like, they deserve that. So I heard we have some very incredible guests today on this podcast. Is that true? I think so. We're going to have the opportunity to kind of kick off a fun little series where we're going to introduce some of the men from Taylor's cast, which I'm very excited about because I do, again, I empathize very deeply with the position that they are in. I personally don't really know how I would handle that. I feel like there's a world where, you know, they're probably very disappointed. They're probably very sad. There's so many emotions that is surrounding obviously the weight of all of this. And I think the least that we can do is,

you know, just get to chat with them a little bit. So I think it's time that we meet at least a few of them. Okay. I am so excited to, to, uh, to, to sit here with you today and at least get to chat with a few of them. So take it away, charity. I want to. Yes. I'm ready. Okay. Well, without further ado, we're going to get really into this and we're going to get into it quickly. We're going to have our very first guy from Vacaville, California. We have Christopher. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. Hi, Christopher. Hi, ladies. I'm glad to be here. Hold on. Hold on. I want to clarify something. First, we start this off. I am not from Vaccaville.

I just live here. I was in the military and then I just stayed here. I'm originally from, I grew up between Arkansas and Dallas. Like my parents were- I was going to say, you don't sound like you're from upstate New York. I was like a little twang in there. No, I'm not. I've just been living here because I was in the military and I just stayed here once I got out. What branch were you in?

I was in the Air Force for 11 years. Oh, wow. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service. Yeah. I appreciate you, ladies. Wow. Yeah, okay. Well, I'm curious because I always love meeting new people in the franchise.

So before, actually, before we get into that, how are you feeling with everything? I know it's been a lot. Honestly, it's just like a whirlwind. I don't think I've been able to articulate the way that I feel. You know, I'll go to bed and I'll wake up into something else. So it's like I haven't had the time to get my feet underneath me yet with all this. I'm just trying to pick it day by day. We're finding out things as you're probably finding out things. You know, you can't get on social media without seeing something pertaining to our season.

So I don't know. I can't fully answer that. Yeah. No, I think that's fair and totally valid. What are you doing to, I guess, to keep yourself grounded in all of this? I'm doing what I always done. You know, I go to the gym. I help people with their fitness.

You know, I'm dealing with my friends. I have my daughter. I'm just doing my regular day-to-day as if none of this is happening. But, you know, again, I'll get those reminders. I get on social media and I just, I'll see something. Yeah. Well, I like your attitude, taking it day by day. That's all you can do, Christopher.

And I like to think I'm a very positive person. You know, that's been who I've been. And I like to think that's what got me recognized to even be a part of, you know, Bachelor Nation, my positivity and my outlook on just everything. You know, you'll never see me down for too long. I like that. I want to know how you, your journey of the bachelor, or how did you get to the show?

Honestly, I was just found. Like, it was like somebody put my name in a hat and somebody just pulled it out. About a year ago, I was on Instagram one day and then I looked at my notifications. I had like 20 likes from this one person. It was a guy. And I'm not going to lie.

I was super skeptical. I was like, okay, what is he on? I'm screaming. Then I went to, I checked my DMs later on that night and he had sent me a DM. He told me he was a kid. casting producer. So I went to look at his Instagram and in his bio it showed that he was a casting producer. And then so I decided to respond to him, but I was super skeptical. And then once

he responded, he was super professional. And then he just handed me off. We got on a call. And then he handed me off to another producer and then it checked out to be real. And then the next thing I know, I'm doing background checks and I'm just going through the process. So I honestly, I don't know how he found me. Were you a fan? I've never, if you knew my story, I am not from this world. I am like, my world is night and day of Bastardation. Yes. I'm from the fall.

Nothing, nothing. I didn't know anything about it. But then I just started doing Google searches. And then I have friends that watch the show. One of my good friends I went to high school was she told me about the show. So I was like, okay, I'll give it a try. After I talked to my daughter about it. And then I was like, I'll do it.

Oh, did you get, like, have to get her blessing beforehand? In many ways, yes. Sophie is my biggest fan. That's my daughter. She's my biggest fan. And when I told her what the show was about, you know, she was like, okay, dad, do it. Because she's been nudging me like, when are you going to have more kids or when are you going to get married? Wait, no way.

Hold on, Christopher, Christopher. I can help you with half that detail. How do you feel about older women? There we go. I think you're a beautiful older woman. I think you're a beautiful. Oh, you didn't need to put the atrix. been there. You could have just said, oh, you're a beautiful woman. I mean, that's how you set it up.

So I was like, okay. Okay. So how old is Sophie? Sophie is 13. She'll be 14 September 24th. Oh, wow. Wow. She's got a teenager. Yeah. We have the teenage blues because she is. You ain't seen nothing yet. I know. I was like, I fear only gets worse. Yeah, but she's a very, very smart girl. She's very, very intelligent. We're very close. We talk. We play this game. It's similar to the relationship I had with my mother.

My mom and I were very, we were friends, but she would hit that switch. And you would know she's not being your friend right now. So our relationship is a reflection of that. So she's very intelligent. She's in sports. She's playing all these different sports right now. She's outgoing. She's courageous.

I'm super proud of my daughter, you know. Oh, that's sweet. I love that. So she was ready for, you said, nudging you to, like, do this or, like, I guess, figuring out what's next for dad. Yeah. How was your, I guess, before you came on The Bachelor, if you don't mind me asking, like, what was, like, the dating scene like for you?

I'm sure it's, like, the same answer from everyone. I think we're just in a weird time in history. Yeah. Dating has become so. complicated, you know, and I think social media does a, has a big role to play in that, you know. 100%. People are comparing their regular lives to celebrity lives and their financial situations

to the financial situations of people that are rich. And I'm just like, these are, these aren't realistic. Like what you're expecting is not real. So it's very hard for me to date because the way that I am, I'm very accountable with myself and I hold anybody that's in my life accountable. And that can push a lot of people away. And I'm, I'm okay with that, you know. So dating has been very difficult because it's hard for me to connect with people.

When I date someone, I'm trying to establish a connection. I can't be intimate with anyone. I don't feel a connection to. And you're not going to speed my connection up just because you want to attain something from you, obtain something. So I'm just like, dating is very difficult, very difficult for me just because of how I am. You're just like a realist. Yeah, it just seems like that. I'm very much a realist.

And sometimes to a fault, I think when you're too logical, sometimes, Sometimes logic doesn't have a place when you're in love. Like, you know, so that's been, that's been something about, something about me that I think I need to work on. But here we are. I wonder what you do for a living, Christopher. What do you do? Okay. So I was in the military for 11 years, like I said.

I started this business where I do these outdoor boot camps, like, and they're serious. They're serious. So I started doing them in 2017, I believe. And they just slowly continued to grow over the years. And then I launched a website where it's a merchandise thing too. So we started doing, you know, products when I would sell, you know, surrounding it. And it's been very successful for me. The town I live in Vacaville, they've embraced me kind of as their own.

And, you know, people around town, they recognize me because of these fit camps. So I helped train people in the gym. So this has been my life since I've separated from the military. I'm telling you, Charity, you're hearing it. It's a love affair starting here. I'm in the gym all the time lifting weights, Christopher. We were a match made in heaven. Listen, we can work some things out.

I'm serious. Hello. Work something else. I really did it. Kathy is a really good flirt. I'll give you that, Kathy. I'll try to work your magic. Okay, enough about waiting for you.

I want to know, what were you planning to do for the premiere? Heartbreak. Oh. So the group that I mentioned, the workouts that we do, they all put together a watch party at one of the members' houses. She made a flyer for everyone. And we have a group message on Instagram that we would already interact in for the classes. You know, I would give them details about where we were going to be, what we're doing. So everybody was all excited. We were all going to meet, and it was going to be 20 plus

people. Hey, Christopher, stop saying to the past tense, the show is only on a pause. It's not canceled. You may have your premiere yet. I knew I liked you when you first took. started talking. I appreciate it. But yes, let's keep this into existence. We need this season. This season needs to be shared with the world because I think it's a great one. Yeah. How is your relationship with, I guess, the guys and how was that dynamic without giving too much away? You can tease us a little bit. I know, right? Let's see how I want to navigate this. Okay, earlier I mentioned how everyone around me, you're going to be held accountable if you're going to be around me. So again, that is, it started off by me just being myself and holding people accountable

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The Bachelor as a contestant Like me and the girls were still like very close to this day Like it's just honestly I'm still close to some of them guys today Yeah Yeah and I think the same too for my fiance It's like he's very close with you know The guys from his cast so it's just

It's one of the important questions I feel like if you know However the seasons are close to Exactly Part of the big family Yeah, friendship is really important. I remember going into the situation, just based on my past, I've had a lot of issues with guys that call themselves my friends. Just because the way I carry myself, I'm not in competition with anyone.

Hello. And they would have secret competitions with me that I didn't even know about. They would make an issue up or say I did this, but in reality, this is like your insecurity that you're projecting on me. So when I got to the house, that's what I was expecting everyone to be like. But fortunately for me, that that wasn't the case as much as I expected it to be. I met some really genuine guys in the house. And you seem, I mean, based on I can't take my eyes off your arm muscles. But other than that, you strike me as a guy who is really secure and who you are.

I cannot. Absolutely. I know that I'm not perfect, but, you know, I appreciate what God gave me. I appreciate what God gave me. And I was just trying to make the best of everything I've ever had. for you. I love the positivity. Yeah, I appreciate it. Was there, was there any, like, I guess, fears for you for, I mean, I'm sure it's very natural

coming into, obviously, an experience like this, and there's so many unknowns. If you had any fears that you feel comfortable sharing, like, was there any about how this process was going to unfold? Like, what was something that you were nervous about, like, I guess talking about for yourself? I was, to be honest, you know, I wouldn't have been. done this situation if I had certain things like skeletons in my closet, you know, there's certain things that it's like, you can't come back from that. I don't have those things. So I went into this. I was trying to be as fearless as possible, but when you're

venturing out into the unknown, it's just, it's kind of hard, you know, so I just, I leaned into who I was. Certain things that I was fearful of was just being alienated maybe, you know, like I said, I get to the house and I'm like, maybe I'm going to have issues with everyone. No one's going to like me. So that was a part of me that felt that that could be the thing. It's like being alienated and being in this different environment that you do not know and you're not comfortable in. So I was just curious how I was going to navigate that. Again, I was in the military for 11 years. I've been on military deployments in war zones, literally war zones. So I think having that kind of gave me a level of confidence that I needed to just kind of keep moving my feet.

But yeah, that was something that I was curious about. And then just the thought of being away from my daughter in that context, you know, not being able to call her whenever I wanted to or just, you know, just so many unknowns is the thing that I thought was scared about. So Christopher, that brings up another question for me. There have been a few leads and people who come on the show with children. How did you feel about being a single dad knowing that the Bachelorette that Taylor had children? I've dated women with children before. I've seen it can work.

So that was something that I was, I'm open-minded. I'm very open-minded. I understand that, you know, we have these circumstances. We put ourselves in these positions in many ways. I will acknowledge that. But, you know, I've seen it work. I've dated a woman with kids and her kids loved me. I loved her kids.

Her kids love my kid and she loved my, like, I've made it work before. So I went into this, you know, being open-minded. it. There's a misconception that I've been seeing online. A lot of people are under this impression that we knew about Taylor, like long before we got there. I didn't know that Taylor was going to be the Bacorette tool. I had already agreed to do it. So I was going to ask that. I found out later. And then once I found out later, when I saw Taylor, Frankie Paul, I'm like, who the hell is this? I don't come from this world. So I had to start doing Google searches. And then like my friends found out and they were like, oh, I know her.

I watched her other show and then they started telling me things. So I was like, oh, boy. Like, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What am I going to do with this? But, you know, there's been, there's been rumors about me in my life. So I thought it would be unfair to judge her based on, you know, what I got from a second or third hand source.

Mm-hmm. So there's been a lot of people that's been reaching out trying to get the cast to like, say, speak on our experiences with what's going on in the house or with Taylor. in her business. Got it. The type of person I am, I wasn't there. You know, I don't know. I mean, it's very unfortunate to see it play out on social media,

especially when children are involved. Like, those kids are going to have to grow up and see these videos now. Yeah. You know, this is someone's real life. This is someone's real life. And then you'll have people on social media with their opinion. I'm like, you guys don't know what's going on. And we've only seen one side of the story play out in the media.

So I think it's unfair for people to jump to it. an assumption or a conclusion without having all the facts. And that's something that I've stayed away from. But well said, Christopher. Yes, it's very unfortunate. But, you know, let people, you know, live their lives without, you know, being so judgmental or, you know, opinionated. I just wish more people would give more grace to people versus just jumping to attack them. We love that work. No, I appreciate that. I think, yeah, me and Kathy really did dive into that a lot before we had you on and um and you and you just eloquently summarized a lot of what we said yeah thank you all right on a light your note before we let you go we're going to play a quick game of hot seat so basically

just rapid fire prompts to help us get to know you and your personality a little bit better so let's get right into it the first one's very easy okay cowboy hat or baseball cap does the occasion do we have an occasion i guess whichever when you naturally gravitate towards more I'll wear more baseball caps, but I think cowboy hats look better. Okay. And you can wear them with so many different things. I got mine sitting right over there, Chris Ferb. I could reach them and I put it on for you.

Yeah, I think cowboy hat. I'll go cowboy hat. Okay. All right. You mentioned, I love to travel just so you know, since we're getting into each other here. You mentioned this every country on your list is on your bucket list. Which countries are at the top of your list and how much? many have you already visited? I've been to 27 countries. Wow. Wow. And the top of my list,

I'm supervised. Amsterdam has a very special place in my heart for so many different reasons. I think if you go late summer to maybe like October, that is the perfect time to be in Amsterdam. So Amsterdam is number one. Wow. Stockholm, Sweden was special, very special to me. then the third um i want to go somewhere i've never been maybe like kyrgyzstan um i've seen the horses there and just like where's that open plane and i just think eastern i think i cried if i saw it in person so oh i will list those three places wow okay very not basic so good job i appreciate it okay and our last one tell us about your tattoos um We know that you have a lot.

So is there a favorite? And then I guess what do they mean to you? All right. So I want to put out a PSA for tattoos. Young people should not get tattoos before 25. Okay, period. I wish that was a law because, you know, a lot of my tattoos that I got, around 2010, there was a lot of, like, people that was just blasting their bodies with tattoos,

just top to bottom. And I got caught up in that. I was living in Germany when I started. And I got a lot of tattoos. that granted they have meaning or they did at the time that I got them, if I could go back and redo it, I wouldn't have any of them. Just because, like, your frontal rope doesn't fully develop until your odor as a man, at least.

So, but there's a leg tattoo that I have that I really appreciate. I appreciate this leg tattoo that I have. It's the best work that I have. And it was the most painful. So I'll just say my leg tattoo. Okay. Matter of fact, we should probably send a picture in and y'all could just flash it during this.

Is there, is there like, like significance behind it? Yeah. So I had these pictures in my living room with this warrior tribe from Africa. And I decided it was a family. It was a family. And I wanted to put the daughter on my leg because just what she represented is just like a strength. She reminded me in my mother in a lot of ways because my mother, she passed when I was 15. But she was a warrior.

My mother was a warrior to me, you know, to watch her raise kids and battlebread. cancer the way that she did it was just she reminded me of my mother as soon as I saw it so I was like I want to put that on my leg wow oh wow thank you for sharing uh I'm like we love we love significance and we love meaning um okay I think yeah honestly we could talk for hours I feel like um Kathy probably would not ever want to not stop talking to you but unfortunately for Kathy we are going to have to wrap today um with you Chris but I am so excited that we got this fun, like just, honestly, you're just full of so much, like, joy and life, I feel like.

Energy, positive energy. Yeah, like, it really is, like, it's, trust me, it's a breath of fresh air, at least here in Bachelor Nation. And I just have a feeling that we're going to get to know a lot more about you. And you obviously will be back on Bachelor Happy Hour. So before we leave, where can people keep up with you? Where can they follow you at? Throw in some taglines.

us. My Instagram has been, even before the show, before the announcement, my Instagram started doing very well because I cut my hair. So when I did the show, I had longer hair and then I cut it. And now, so I did this video and it just did very well. A lot of people was, you know, invested in me cutting my hair. So my Instagram is the number 100 100, 100 W-0-W-A-S, 100 W-W-H-H-H-H-H-H-E-H-E-H-E-H-E-E. number two on Instagram. Okay, thank you so much, Christopher. I like keep calling you, Chris. I don't know

why. Just, you know. It's fine. It's great to meet you Christopher. Yeah. It always great to meet you. You as well. You guys have a good day. Yes, you too. We'll talk soon. Bye. Bye. All right, everyone. That was a great interview with Christopher. Make sure that you rate, review, subscribe wherever you were listening to our podcast and make sure you're following us on Bachelor Happy Hour and Bachelor Nation. We'll see you guys soon. Bye. I'm Lori. Segal and on my new podcast, Mostly Human, I'll take you to some wild corners of the tech world. I'm about to go on a date with an AI companion at a real world cafe right here in New York City. There's no playbook for what to do when an AI model hallucinates a story about you.

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