Bachelor Happy Hour - Charity Makes Big Moves in the Big Easy

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena discuss everything that went down during Charity’s very eventful week in beautiful New Orleans. From Dotun getting back-to-back one-on-ones to a two-on-one with no ending and then a four-on-one that no one saw coming, there is a lot to cover here.   Plus, Charity’s men really turned up the romance this week, and Joe and Serena share their thoughts on her top four men as they get ready to head to Hometowns.   Be sure to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Very excited to talk to her. I'm so excited. Neither of us have had the pleasure of meeting her, chatting with her yet. and we have been big fans of her this whole season. You especially. I'm a fan, but you have been saying it multiple times. I don't believe that you're doing it just for the podcast. No, I would never.

I would never disrespect my queen charity like that with false insults. I love her and I can't wait to chat with her. Any interesting stuff? I know I'm kind of like, I love the real housewife's drama. Yeah, that's the same. Jill Zerer just texted me, but earlier the week I saw that she was on Bethany's new podcast. And I was like, oh, they were beefing for like, I think they were beefing for like 10 years.

The update of the week is that Joe is now all up in the Real Housewives drama and not the new stuff, like the OG stuff. Neither of us are big Bravo watchers. But, yeah, Joe's BFS with Jill Zeran. And he's very excited to listen to the podcast with her and Bethany Frankl, which is something I did not have on my 2023 bingo card. I'm truly shocked. how much you know about that world now.

Yeah. But we are going to her event this weekend. Yeah, first time in the Hampton. That'll be fun. Okay. Should we recap this? I think we should. Let's do it.

All right. This is episode five. Episode, yes. Episode five, location, New Orleans. Yes, I've never been to New Orleans. And I always say to Joe that we should go. And it's always met with a lack of enthusiasm. Okay.

Let me get New Orleans. I love. I mean, it's a great city. The food's incredible, but it's extremely heavy. The food is loaded with, I mean, a lot of butter, a lot of oil. You know, you got your grilled oysters. It's great. But I know the way you eat and you would not like it. Yes. I obviously love all kinds of food. But my favorite way to eat is like lighter, farm to table, fresh fish, very like Mediterranean vibes with my cuisine. But I would like to so go for a weekend, like see it, try it. It's also very, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a party, party city. Well, after my Vegas Bachelorette, I need a little break from that life. So maybe next year. You could have had your Bachelorette there. In New Orleans.

Yeah, I feel like it's like an underrated bachelorette city. Yeah. But for this, it is not an underrated city for some very romantic dates. No, no, I agree. So we have, where did all the guys go is, is a question a lot of people have been asking. We have six guys left, including Hot Sean. Hot Sean. We are now calling of Hot Sean, which I think is just...

We have a newfound excitement for Hot Sean. After chit-chatting with Ria and Fran on Chicks in the Office this week, we learned that Sean was actually an intern at Barstool Sports. And Dave Portnoy used to say that he was too hot to work there, and everyone would call him Hot Sean, which I think is hilarious because we have been saying, like he looks like a Ken doll, like he looks like the prince from Shrek. So I feel like hot Sean is like the perfect fitting nickname for him. And like I just can't look at him the same anymore.

He is he is officially hot Sean. That's his nickname. Okay. So six guys left. They're all sitting down like outside a little cafe, drinking some coffee or I don't know if they're mimosas. Yeah, Mimosas. Aaron B went to Tulane, which is in New Orleans. So he lived there for seven years.

That's pretty cool. Horse pulls up. Charity's there. Horse pulls up. And she's like, hey, psych, I'm not hanging out with you guys one-on-one time. Yep. Where did you think she was going with that one-on-one? Hmm. I think that the week before hometowns, everyone viewing and the guys assume it's going to be one of the two guys left that hasn't had a date yet, right? So we've got four guys there who have already had a one-on-one, and then we've got Sean and Tanner who have not. Wow. See, I disagree.

You don't think people are expecting to be Sean or Tanner? No, I think, I think, at least for me as a viewer, I'm expecting it to be somebody that she has a strong connection with because she now wants to further that and take hometowns extremely serious. Because this is like, even though she has serious connections, they definitely could grow, right? Yes. And I guess looking at the connections, like someone like Joey is way more likely to be going to hometowns than Sean or Tanner at this point in the season. I was actually in Joey's position on my season. I had a one-on-one the second week of filming. And then I got a second one-on-one date the week before Hometowns. And I remember being shocked because Gisena and Abigail hadn't had one-on-one dates yet.

So I totally assumed it would be them. But it is a good feeling. Like, Joey was definitely probably feeling super excited and reassured that she wanted to spend this time with him. But I can understand why the other guys were pretty upset. Now I'm going to jump to the teaser for next week because now we see- Wow, we're jumping to the end of the episode. That's the end of the recap. No, no, no, just for this little segment.

So we see Joey's, you know, they're having a great time. He's saying all the right things. They both seem to be very into each other. But we do see the teaser for next week, Joey's dad, saying to charity, you think you're getting the real Joey. Yes, I did see that. Which is a great clip. And I'm sure that his dad's not like, he's totally faking it.

But, you know. I think that. We always get, like, the skeptical parent. And I think that his dad is probably wondering, like, can he totally be himself when there's a bunch of cameras and mics everywhere and people watching him date this girl? But, you know, I think I'm excited to hear more about it next week because Joey seems like a great guy who is really close with his family from what we've heard on the show and on this podcast. So I don't know. I'm probably most intrigued for his hometown date just because I feel like we've heard the most about his family. Do you think Joey is someone that knows the right things to say and uses that?

Or you think he's genuine? I think that he, hmm, I think he's genuine, but I will say he's very good with his words. Like, he's definitely someone that's comfortable speaking eloquently. But I don't think he's using that as a manipulative tactic. I think that's just, he's just an intelligent, well-spoken gun. I agree. I agree. So, yeah, I mean, they honestly, pretty straightforward nothing um i feel like these are my favorite kinds of dates not necessarily to

watch but if i was on the show which i was doing these dates are where you really get to like almost feel normal like you and i got a date like that where we were just like walk around new orleans eat food you know they did the cute little poetry thing like that gives a sense of normalcy just hanging out yeah they're not always the best for the viewer but i guarantee if you ask um any of the contestants like if you asked joey like what was your your favorite moment with charity he'd probably throw new orleans i agree and then they had a really good conversation about interracial relationships and the dinner portion which is always an important conversation i'm sure charity that was a big conversation for her to have as a woman of color and it sounds like joey's never

dated a woman of color before or at least brought her home to his family um and i thought that it was a really nice conversation i thought he did a really good job of holding space for her to kind of say how she was feeling and responded, you know, in the best way he could to that. I agree. I like them. I like them both. I think I still think I still like that. I still think she's head over heels of love of Don. I think about this a lot. So Joe and I, we've obviously been very vocal about our love for Don and charity on this podcast, but we don't know how this ends. So if this show wraps and she's engaged to Joey, I'm going to feel slightly awkward being like, hey, Joey, you know, we do love you

and we did say we thought and wanted it to be done this season, but we're so happy for you guys. Well, honestly, we really put ourselves in a bad position. Something that happens with this show. Something at least the past few seasons, that's how it feels, especially with like, I really felt it with Zach and Katie

when we did, we talked to them on ClickBade and then just talking to them after the show. It's kind of like during it, it's like, you know, we're thinking about all those other relationships and how it feels, But once it's just them at the end, usually all that shit goes away. You're absolutely right. Because I know even on Clayton's season, I really saw a connection between him and Rachel as much as I loved Susie as well.

But then seeing Clayton and Susie together at the end, you're like, oh, I get it. I'm really seeing this relationship, like, how great it is and why it works. And there's been time after the show. But, I mean, Clayton and Susie, obviously we were wrong because that didn't work. It worked for a bit. It worked for a bit. It works for a hot minute. Okay. So Joey also drops, he's falling in love. Great. That ends. Joey gets a rose.

Joey's looking good. Definitely one of charity's top guys. He is going. They just have a nice, solid relationship. Yeah. So then we find out that Sean and Tanner, Hot Sean, are getting are getting a two on one, which I think, I mean, Correct me if I'm mistaken. And we, you know, we don't go that far back with the show. But I feel like every time they've done a two-on-one, it's with two-people that hate each other. Yes. Like the last two-on-one I remember was on Clayton season with Chenet and-A-N-Avieve. Genevieve.

Yeah, who fucking hated each other. That was a really good two-on-one. And I feel like the two-on-ones are better when the two people don't like each other because it's so awkward. There's so much tension. And usually one's talking shit about the other one. This one was pretty tame, as much as Sean was definitely going above and beyond. Like, he was pulling some alpha male techniques out. Yeah, it just wasn't working for that.

It just wasn't working. And, like, you like Sean, you really like Tanner, too. So, like, it's just hard. Yeah. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring. human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you

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forward slash Reese Apple Books to find out more. So they go on this crawfish alligator boat ride, and then they eat crawfish. Honestly, very cool day. Like, I think that would have been a lot of fun. But let's talk about the connection here if, like, there's none. I don't see a connection between Charity and Tanner, like, at all. None of them have a connection. Sean and Tanner don't even have like a bromance going.

Like there's nothing on this date that's screaming connection to me. And I will say when the when the two on one started, I really believe the date was going to end with her sending both guys home. And when she said, I can't hand out this rose tonight. I was like, oh, here we go. I was right. She's going to send them both home. But no, she was like, I'm just going to drag you into another date later in the week. If she was, I mean, maybe that was for TV purposes, probably.

but if she was contemplating between the two, who do you think it was? Who do you think she thought I may need more time with? I think it's Tanner. I think it's Tanner as well because I do think Sean is someone that's really putting it all out there. He's a larger-than-life guy. I think if she really was like, I need more time with someone, it would be Tanner. At least from what we're seeing, Tanner seems a little more chill, a little more reserve. But he also seems like a total catch.

So maybe she was like, I need more time to see if I'm missing something with this guy before I send him home. Yeah. Whereas I don't think she was looking for more from Sean. I think he was really giving it all he had. Hot Sean came in hot on that two on one. I love that. His name's hot shot now. Okay.

So we cut back to the house. Don gets a one-on-one. We see Aaron B is now starting to really spiral, which I feel like he's kind of been spiraling. And now that he doesn't have the clutch of Braden to keep him entertained, like he's really starting to get in his own head. And then we cut back to the date, no rose for either. But they get to go to the rose ceremony. So.

Okay, wait, sorry, not to cut you off. No, no, please. When she didn't give out a rose to Tanner or Sean, I thought, like you just said, that they were both going to get. dragged to the rose ceremony and they were both going to go home, but she didn't because then she put them on a group date. So there were four dates this episode, which I don't know if I've ever seen four dates that were like not hometowns. Yeah. Because there was the one-on-one, the two-on-one one-one, then Daughton's one-on-one, and then a group date. Yeah. Which we had another little teaser, which we'll get to later. But do you want to jump back

to Daughton's one-on-one? Yeah. So Dotten gets a one-on-one, which is the first time, I think, in Bachelor history that someone got back-to-back one-on-one. Yeah. One-on-one last week and one-on-one this week. Which goes with our intuition is probably correct. She loves that. Yep. And he loves her. Which I can't later this week when she comes on, I definitely want to question her about

why Don't not everyone was getting like special moments and time. Yeah, do it. I mean, for all we know, she's giving that to another guy or two other guys and we just don't see it. Because that happens sometimes too, where she's like, actually, you know, Xavier was getting all this special time. and you guys just didn't get to see it. So that would be an interesting chat. So their dates, basically, they're running in like a quarter of a marathon. That actually looked fun.

I'm not a runner, but I thought it was a cute date. Yeah, I thought that would be fun. I'm going to do the New York Marathon this year. I know. I'll be there with a sign and water cheering you on. Nice. So, yeah, that was fun. And then we see it gets more serious when they have their dinner, their dinner date.

something that Dotton expressed fair of failure, which I think is totally relatable. But something he said that really was relatable to myself is sometimes a good thing is just a good thing. And I think that's a great line and that's true because I'm something that always just thinks like up. You're always waiting for the other shoe to drop. That's just your natural instinct. And it seems like that's something you can relate to with Dotten because he seems like he's that way.

too, um, which can definitely get in the way of relationships. He's an incredibly articulate person. Yeah. Like when you listen to him speak, he's really nice to listen to and him and charity have great conversation together. Like it really just flows and I just love them. So he says, I'm falling in love with you or I'm beginning to fall in love with you or something along those lines of falling in love. Um, and I believe him. And I think she, she wanted to hear that. Now we know like leads when there's multiple people they can't really say it I thought she was going to say it back to him and she didn't say it back to joey or doten yeah and that did throw me off a little bit but I think they're like not really like I don't think they should because there's just you can't

like you know who did do that Clayton you know he was literally screaming from the raptors I love you to everyone and then it comes he's just like I'm going to do this my way I love all of you. He's just got a lot of love and it's hard to share. And he just did not want to hold it in. So, yeah, I think charity, I think it's probably the right move to hold some of that in. And I think it's on the lead to then express like to them that I heard you say, I love you. And, you know, it didn't fall on death errors.

Yeah. Death errors, sorry. Like, hot John when he came in and did it and she were like, no. Okay. before we jump to the group date Can we chit chat about Aaron B a little more? Because Dotten came back from his date and had to do

the most awkward debrief with all the men. The best part about coming on from one-on-ones is that everyone's usually asleep. At least like on my season, that's how it was for the most part. You come back. It's quiet. You got a little snack. You go to bed. The fact that he had to come back and sit and be like, this is how great my date was that I spent

all day with her. And then I do, I will say, Aaron be is taking things really hard and he's having a rough time and he could reel it in a little bit but at the same time like i do feel for him he had the very very first one-on-one of the season and now two guys who got double one-on-ones and he hasn't he probably kind of feels like she's forgetting about him a little bit yeah yeah i think i think you're right i guess like i guess we judge him for like we're quick to be like he's spiraling like he's spiraling like he's spiraling yeah um but i guess like it makes sense i mean i guess i would

too, because he, he was somebody that, you know, had such a strong one-on-one in the beginning. And then, you know, then midway through the show kind of like falls apart. And then his time with Charity is spent talking about Brayden. Which I definitely think we should ask Charity if Aaron B and Brayden's feud impacted their relationship at all. Because personally, I think that before he did that, at least from what we were seeing, their connection seems stronger than it looks now. Yeah. Yeah. The thing with Aaron, he does seem, and I'm sure, like, when you're with him one-on-one, he's fun, right? But it does seem like he is a very serious person. Oh, I think he's definitely a serious guy.

So, you know, we don't really get to see, like, him and charity, like, laughing in, like, having fun. And usually that's something we pick up on as viewers of, like, oh, they're cute and cuddly and they're in love. Right? I think so. Yeah. I agree with you. From what we've seen of their connection, it's a lot of very serious conversations. Everything, at least, after their one-on-one date has looked like that. So then we get, we get this group date now, which is random. I was so thrown off. I was like, okay, we've had three dates.

How do we still have like an hour left in this episode? So now you have Xavier, Aaron B, and Tanner and Hot John get thrown on this on this four-on-one date? Yeah. And before they go, we see Hachon goes to Charity's room and confesses like, this is really serious for me and I'm falling in love with you. I'm in the process of falling in love with you. And she's like, it's not you, Hachon. It's not you. No.

And she sends him home, which I was surprised by how emotional she got sending him home. Yeah, but then I remember you also said she's probably just tired. I did say she's probably really tired and also I think that even if she wasn't that into him and who knows maybe she was but even if she wasn't that into him it's still hard to hurt someone after they've sat there and confessed your feelings for sure for sure she's probably like it's also not a nice feeling when you when you hurt someone so she's probably feeling and he sat there and was really vulnerable and she had to basically be like I don't feel that way about you yeah it's not easy it just like watching it you're just kind of like there's no like like

watching those two together you're just like this is never this is not this ain't going my thing too is hot sean i think got really swept up in the journey and i think he really cared about charity but i do think he was missing some crucial signs that she was probably just not that into him yeah like if at this point in the season you haven't gotten a one-on-one date and people are getting their second one-on-one dates, that is the biggest indicator that the lead is not as into as she is the other guys, and you're probably going to go home soon. And I think he felt that and, like, grabbed onto his emotions for even stronger

and was like, wait, no, like, I really, really am falling for you. That was, and I believe you're, I think you're 100% correct. And I believe that was the difference between Sean and Tanner. I think Tanner knew charity wasn't into him. Yeah, I think Tanner had a little bit more of an inkling that, like, okay, it's probably not me. Whereas Sean, I think, was like, no, no, I can turn this around. Like, I'm really into her. She just, like, hasn't seen it yet.

And, like, it's going to change, which at this point in the season, it's not going to change. Yeah. And that was, honestly, that was, yeah, that was the difference between those two there, I think. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host to a lot of. the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more

effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like go you go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress, seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just, like, walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Drinking is easier.

Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving. Meditating. You know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think Democrats have, for a very. long time, allow Republicans to play them. So essentially, Republicans came up with a narrative, and Democrats decided to play into that,

and that only hurt the Democrats. I'm Kitty Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic Representative of Texas, is not known for holding back. And our recent chat on Next Question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense. it's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally,

like, I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah. Listen to next question with me. me, Katie Couric on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Just like great shoes, great books take you places, through unforgettable love stories and into conversations with characters you'll never forget. I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies. I'm Danielle Robay, and this is bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, the new podcast from Hello Sunshine and IHeart Podcasts, where we dive into the stories that shape us.

on the page and off. Each week, I'm joined by authors, celebs, book talk stars, and more for conversations that will make you laugh, cry, and add way too many books to your TBR pile. Listen to bookmarked by Reese's Book Club on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Apple Books is the official audio book and ebook home for Reese's Book Club. Visit apple.co-forward slash Reese Apple Books to find out more. So we do see, like, this backyard garden, three-on-one kind of date. She ends up not giving a rose to Tanner, which, you know, I think he was upset, but also, like, he got it. Yeah. Or Xavier.

She only gave out one rose. No, she gave Aaron Bea a rose. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then. She teased us for a second time. They put two rows on the table, making it be like, all right, we're going to wrap this up here. You know, she's going to give out two rows.

rose is one person's going to go home she handed out the rose to a rm b which i think was expected like they seemed to have the strongest connection out of that group and then was like no no no i'm not handing out the second one you got to wait until tomorrow yeah which really just grind in my gears for some reason and then we see her and xavier now cut to whatever is the next night we see her and xavier um have a conversation and he almost blows it you know know what I'm talking about? Why are you laughing? I thought you were going to say something else. What did you think I was going to say? I thought you were going to say he looks like he's about to fall asleep because he just looked so tired. He always looks tired. When he's doing his

interviews, he's like, ah, you could just tell. You can tell it's like two in the morning and he's just like, I like you a lot, but I want to go to sleep. No, but when he, I know what you're going to say. I just don't, yeah, I just don't think he articulated really what he meant to say. Actually, no, I think he's kind of just like, yeah, like, it's actually, like, I don't know. I don't know if I'm ready for it to just be with one person. No, I know. He was like, I don't know. He started off by saying, I have a lot of fear about committing to one person for the rest of my life.

Which now we do know that Charity's past relationship, her ex cheated on her. And Xavier reminds her of her ex. Yeah. So he, in that moment, I was like, oh, my God, Xavier, she's about to give you a rose. Just close your mouth and stop talking because you were about to shoot yourself in the foot. But he saved himself. He did because then you could tell he kind of like replayed what he just said and was like, okay, no, no, no.

It's a fear of mine, but it doesn't mean I don't want to do it. And I'm not getting there with you, which he totally saved himself. And I do think it was just like a miscommunication. Yeah. I don't think he. I would help. But no, I think it's a normal. I think for, I think it's a normal fear.

Like, hey, like, I don't, I don't know yet. if I'm ready in my life to be with just one person. But that is the thing. That is one of the things that you should probably know. If you're going to know anything, that is one of the things you probably should know when you go on The Bachelor and of The Bachelor. A thousand percent.

It's like one of the main things you need to know is that you're ready to be with only one person for the rest of your life. That's the whole premise of the show. If you're not ready to settle day with one person for forever, you got to go home. They got to start making contestants. Like when people are like,

ah, I don't watch the show. I'll be like, okay, well, this is what you're going to have to do. You're going through the casting process. We're going to give you a season to watch so you see what this show is. They should do a mandatory screening of at least two seasons as part of the interview process. And if after watching those two seasons, you don't want to go on, get out. And you got to make it like, you got to make it crazy seasons. You got to be, you have to be ready for, yeah, who's seasons?

Who would you throw out there? I'm trying to think. I would say Pete's because it's so entertaining, but he, he didn't get engaged. It's got to be someone that ends up at the end with an engagement so they know really

what they're getting themselves in. But like trying to think who's seen. How do you like a Rachel, Lindsay and maybe like Zach?

Yeah, yeah. Or even like Ari. I know he like flipped at the end. Yeah, Ari would be a good one. He's still like married their kids now.

Yeah. Ari would be a good one too because it's like he got engaged. He got engaged. Twice. Yeah. So and

wind up Xavier ends up getting a rose. So now we have the hometown guys. you got, Aaron B, Xavier, Doughton, and Joey. Yes. And my top four, I have three of them. Wow.

How many do you have? I'm trying to remember. My top four was Aaron B., Joey, John, and Josh. So I've got two out of my four is still there. I've got Aaron B and Joey. Okay. That pretty much wraps the episode. We see in the credits.

We have Trent, Trent, Barcelona, Trent. That was such a great surprise. I did not know that he was making a cameo this season. Gets a cameo. Not only gets a cameo, he's got some acting chops. He looks great doing it. I buy it. It worked.

It made me laugh. 10 out of 10. I think Trent should be in every single season. I think they should make. And I've said this. I've said this multiple times. I think they should make Trent, the Bachelor. That would be incredible.

I would love to see Trent as the Bachelor. Oh, my God. Could you imagine that's the dream? That is the dream. Maybe we'll get him on the podcast. We should have him on the podcast. Also, I think watching Charity this episode. Just for our viewers, Trent is part of Barstool, but he is also the luggage, the luggage.

Yes. If you watched at the end and you saw a man who was supposed to pull the luggage, got the call from Jesse Palmer, that no one was going home and he couldn't pull the luggage. That is Trent. Luggage guy, Trent is his second name. Yeah. And I think, yeah, I think that that wraps the episode. I wonder if Trent and Hotschon know each other because they're both from the Barstool world.

Imagine Luggage Guy Trent got to pull Hotson's luggage. What an amazing crossover. I just don't think Hachon was there at Barstall long enough to know anyone. Maybe. We don't know the exact timeline. I will say, though, to wrap this up, Charity had a really, really hard time sending home Sean and Tanner, who, from our perspective, it didn't look like they had a very strong connection.

I can only imagine how hard it's about to get for her, standing home guys that she has a real serious connection with. Well, we'll ask her because she's coming on this week. So some of you could definitely ask her. Okay, make sure to subscribe if you're not already because we are dropping our exclusive interview with Charity later this week and hearing more about her story. That's a wrap. Bye.

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