Bachelor Happy Hour - Charity Takes the Wheel

Episode Date: February 14, 2023

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Michelle and Becca speak with Charity about everything we’ve seen from her journey so far! Charity opens up about how getting cast on Zach’s season came at the perfect time, how she really felt upon learning that Zach was the Bachelor, and how the friendships she’s made through this journey have changed her life for the better. Also, Charity reveals exactly what went through her mind when Christina Mandrell questioned Zach’s decision to give her the Group Date Rose and explains which qualities Zach has that make him a rare type of man. Then, Becca has a very exciting announcement to share, and our girls reveal who they hope to see as the next Bachelorette. Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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defend your constituents. And there's life. After Congress. Make sure to listen to this episode of Politics on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back, Happy Hour listeners. I'm one of your hosts, Becca Kufrin. And I'm Michelle Young. And we are so pumped to be back this week to not only get into another episode of The Bad Shard, but more importantly, we have a guest that we've been asking for for weeks. And I cannot wait to have her on because today we get to finally speak.

with charity. Yes, we have been dying to get her on the podcast since night one. She is such a huge, huge favorite of Becca and I's or me and Becca's. And we want to talk to her

about her connection with Zach. We want to get to know her a little bit. But before we bring her on, Becca, you have some very, very, very, very exciting news and like an announcement that's coming because Bachelor Live is back.

It is back, and I can finally share details. Yes, tell us, please. I know it kind of hinted last week a little bit, but we officially announced it this past week when we were all in Arizona. Yeah, it's coming back. It's going to look a little bit different this year. So instead of, like, doing a cross-country tour, it's going to be a residency in Arizona at the Talking Sick Resort in Scottsdale. And I actually got a lot of questions on DMs. And in my comments about this, people are like, why are you just being?

Like, why are you just in one area? But, like, what I try to tell people is, like, think about this. When you go to Vegas for a long weekend with your girls or your guy, like you, for the most part, I think most people want to see a show, right? Like, whether that's a singer, whether that's a Cirque show, a magician, whatever. So it's kind of that same thing. So we landed on Scottsdale because it is the number two bachelor's destination in the country. So a lot of people flock there for these bachelorette parties.

And we figured, like, that would be one of the perfect spots to do this. Like, girls or guys can come, watch the show. Like I said, it's at a resort. So not only are you going to be there for, like, this 75-minute show, but it's also next to a pool. You have cabanas. It's going to be, like, a little bit more sexy. So it's more of, like, a big interactive show-slash-party-type feel. So we are so pumped.

How fun. Because I've actually, I've done a lot of planning of Bacheloretts. bachelor's at parties. A lot of my friends are getting married. And like what a nice little change up that would be to be able to like, I don't know, like you can, you do brunch and you do all those things. But to be able to like hit it during this time. And even if you're not planning a bachelorette, but like being able to be in Scottsdale, being able to do this little fun activity, that would be awesome. How is, who are you hosting with? Because I know that this is, this is not the same as Bachelor Live on stage, correct? Right. Yep. So,

It's going to be different. So we'll be hosting. Yeah. So I will be, it's kind of a weird schedule this year because I actually have to travel to one of our dear friends in Italy. They're getting married in the middle of it. So I will be hosting the first weekend and the last weekend in April. And then my bachelor when I'm hosting will be Andrew.

So he'll be like the fun guy on stage. And he's an absolute blast. He's so funny, such good energy on stage, like so interactive with the crowd. so he will be my bachelor for the couple weekends and then the middle weekend when I'm actually gone this is going to be the funny one. Andrew will step into my shoes and host and then Rodney is going to be the bachelor. So you're going to get kind of like a little two for one with the fellas that weekend and quite honestly like and they're such a blast together again like so high energy that I'm like dude you guys aren't even like get through this show you're going to be having

so much fun. They're going to get so sidetracked. So it'll be those two guys for that middle weekend. They play off each other so nice. They always, they do. They really compliment each other well. They are super live, energetic. It's contagious. So I do think that's a good, that's a good couple. Will Thomas, though? Will Thomas and the dogs be with you when you are filming? Oh, good question. Or when you are hosting? Hosting? Hosting, you know, Thomas, I think, will be there for one of the weekends. I'm not quite sure when yet. I don't know about the dogs. If he's driving, then, you know, hey, Minow was part of the first two shows. She stole the show. She, like, the crowd loved her. She ate it up. She was born for the stage. So, ideally, like, I would love to have them back. But we'll see. But Thomas will definitely be there, hopefully, one of the weekends for a little surprise appearance. I love that. Is it going to be the same, like some similarity? like will the audience be able to interact with with you guys like will we be able to come on stage how is

that going to work yeah yep yep so just like last time we actually pulled at every show we pulled 10 to 12 contestants up on stage directly from the audience which i personally love like it's so fun because you don't know if you're going to be called and even and what i love about that is like even if you're a bachelor that is about to get married or even if you're married like you can still come up on this stage. It's not like you're actually going to be dating The Bachelor. It's more for like this fun experience where you can finally feel like you're part of the show. We really try to condense a season into a couple hours. So you have like different fun group dates, like different fun dancing, different fun skits. And then like in the midst of all of that, you have like these

little rose ceremonies. And at the end of it, instead of, you know, winning the final rose and like falling in love with The Bachelor, it's, um, way less pressure. You actually just win like a big gift package full of like my wine will be there. Scott's still like I think local businesses will include a ton of fun things in there. So you just like win this big prize package. And that's what I love is like, because if if you're there with a bachelor party and you're like win in free drinks or like win in free wine or whatever it might be like it's just more of an incentive to come. But again, like this is going to be so much more of a party vibe because the pool is right there, the hot tub's right there, the bar is next to you.

It's more paradise, I would say, than, like, the Bachelor Mansion. Ooh, this might, I, you said April? What am I doing in April? I'm going to fly in so that I can see one of these things. But I know that after people hear about this, they're going to want to know where they can get tickets. They're going to be excited. Yeah, so right now you can get tickets. So the resort that will be at is called Talking Sick Resort.

Like I said, it's in Scottsdale. You really can't miss it. If you land in Phoenix and you're driving to Scottsdale, it's right there on the road. So talking sick resort.com will have all of the dates, all of the info and tickets. So bring yourself, bring your girls, bring your mom. If you have a boyfriend, bring him. We've had some couples in the audience and, like, girlfriends and wives have been up on stage. So it's just so fun. It's like the way that they structure this one is like such, it's going to be such a blast. So everyone get your tickets at talking sick resort.com. Oh, Becca. We're so proud of you over here at Bachelor Happy Hour with everything you're doing. We're so excited for you. Can't wait for Bachelor Live to start. And for you to, like you said it best, do the damn thing. I love it. I can't wait to see how it turns out. That haunts me every time. Let me, let me, let me go buy my ticket. Oh, girl, I got you. If you want to come up on stage. Well, you came up on stage for the Minnesota show. So if you want to do something fun again. That was fun. That was so much fun.

to see you well okay enough about me you have been traveling like crazy you just spent the past week in arizona for all of the super bowl festivities how was that it was good it was um it was it was a lot of fun i actually was there during a lot of like the lead-up so it was kind of cool i was staying right in old town and that's where all like the tailgates were happening um the ESPN filming was happening and so we were um a friend and i went and we were there during old town and that's It's kind of like eerie but cool at the same time because all of the Super Bowl platforms, signs, things were up, but it was dead quiet. We're the only people like walking through Old Town. And then as the week like progressed, more and more people flocked, just the excitement, the energy.

I got to see a lot of really cool performances. Did a lot of actually networking. I went to the, it's called like the Players Network or the Players Impact. And it was really cool to just meet a lot of people talk about sports, different things that we align with. but yeah it was great i'm tired and i'm i did not stay and stay for the game because i had to fly back for my own launch that's going to be happening here and um yeah and so it was a lot i'm i'm tired it was fun yeah i'm tired for you i'm tired for you like watching everything on instagram i'm like i was i was in arizona for two days and it was exhausted with

And not only was it at the Super Bowl, it was the waste management Phoenix Open, which, like, news to me is like the party golf tournament. I had no idea. So there was a lot going on when you were there. Yeah. You were there for a full week. I was there for a full week. And by the time I hit, like, Friday, I was, I was, I was gassed. I was gassed.

So I was a little bit sad that I wasn't going to be able to see Rieb in person because I did have to come back. Yeah. But I will say that when I got home. um she was nice enough to send a fenty package my way so i came home to the fentz package so i'm like hey okay okay this this uh this makes up for it she's with you in spirit well maybe one day we'll we'll manifest that you will meet her one day so i already know i already met her oh yeah you went to that her event oh okay lucky you maybe i'll manifest one day i can be cool we cool yeah she knew money and everything it was great okay so michelle you just briefly mentioned a little launch which

of course I have to ask you about. So tell me all of the details on this. Yeah. So what I'm basically doing is I've been putting in time with building this website, working on motivational speaking, to kind of really set up like what the Michelle Young brand is going to be. And so what we did last night is I was able to partner with a young girl called, so her name is Kyla Joy. And she started her own business and, like, nonprofit by building wellness packages for underprivileged women. And so people like you and me, Becca, we can go to the spot. We have these opportunities where we can, you know, self-care, all these different things that we're able to do. And a lot of women don't have the means to do that.

And so what she does is she builds these bags, wellness bags. And so she works with different brands, beauty brands, face masks, socks, socks. journaling, all this other stuff into these bags, and then we deliver them. And so where I'm going to be coming into play with this is that every single month, I'm going to be working with a different charity foundation, organization, to really amplify their voice. And the brands that are working with me, I kind of go fluid into also helping them out as well. And so I'm launching my brand, going to be talking about, you know, how I'm going to be

traveling, motivational speaking, but then also how I'm going to be including my followers in that whole voting process and nomination process of which charity I'm going to be working for the next month and then getting to vote on that, select that, and then really putting that into play with a professional and a professional manner. And so my website's going to have everything from like the YouTube channel where it's going to showcase everything that I'm doing during the month, the campaigns that I'm working on. And yeah, there's already a lot of very exciting ones that are coming up here. And, yeah. Oh, my gosh. That is incredible. I, and I love the combination. Changing the game of influencing. True. Yeah. That is absolutely incredible. And I know you've spent so much time and energy on this. Like, I can't wait to see this take off and hear all about it. Like, I'm sure your launch party was just so much fun. I wish it could be there. But I'm really am proud of you. And so, oh, God, I just had one question about it. Oh, I wanted to ask about your website. Like, can you share, like, the link where people can go and see the YouTube channel and everything?

Yeah, yeah. So I will actually, I'll put it in, like, my highlights or whatever just so that I can make sure that I'm sharing it out correctly. But essentially, yeah, this website's going to have everything. As soon as you click on it, you're going to be able to, you know, see the places that I'm speaking. There's going to be a lot of cool conferences coming up, one including Pepperdine, where I'll be speaking and emceeing. And, yeah, I will make sure to throw that link on my online. highlights so that everyone can access that. It also will just be in my bio as well on Instagram and any social media platform. So yeah, this is just the start. This is just the start.

But I'm excited and yeah, really just changing the game of influencing and challenging other influencers as well to give back. Well, look at you. I know like on your season you kept saying you wanted to change the world and I feel like this is just a big step in that right direction. So that is absolutely incredible. So proud. I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm, I'm like, I don't want to tear up, but I feel like a proud mom for you. This is so exciting. I'm just, I'm so happy for you. God, not to change gears. Switching gears. But really, though, speaking of somebody who also really is working to change the world. Charity. Charity. Her name says it all.

Yeah, I'm excited to bring her on in just a few minutes here. Before we get into that, let's get into, like, this week briefly. we saw everyone head to the Bahamas. What were your overall thoughts on this episode? Was there anyone knew that kind of stood out to you that you think like, oh, she might go far or not so much? Honestly, this episode, it was, I don't know. There was like a lot going on this episode, but then there was not a lot going on this episode. Like I couldn't tell. I really couldn't tell.

What I am, what I will say is that I've almost paid more attention to how Zach handles these situations and not always like how the women are handling situations. And what I've noticed with him is that anybody who gets caught up in the drama, they're gone. Mm-hmm. Like right off the bat. Like that's, that's what I was really, really just interested to see if he was going to keep up with that with the whole consistency. see we had also Wilkins 101 we had cats one-on-one we had really tough conversations that were had in this episode yeah um I will like you just touch on Brooklyn I will say she's one who maybe I kind of wrote her off at the beginning just being like oh you know like I don't know

how long she'll make it okay but she really I mean not even not even because she just got that one-on-one but I think her conversation like during that evening portion like she really really stood out to me and I mean I think we all did saw aside to her and saw like struggles that no person should ever have to endure but like the way that she was able to speak about them and I hope that she can be like a person that people going through similar experiences can now go to or look up to in a way I think that was really really special um so I will say like now I have my eye on Brooklyn you know I might have been wrong at the beginning but I I'd feel like after that she might make it way further than I expected, which I love to be wrong. So, hey, keep

proving me wrong. It really is. I will say that that's the beautiful thing of this is that it really, I really hope that just the viewers who are watching this episode and after they're watching this episode really handle that with care and handle that vulnerability with care. And that's something that when I see people share these, you know, these stories and in these moments, it is really a beautiful thing that shows so much courage on their part. And I also know that the Internet can really take these things and run with it. And I truly, truly hope that Bachelor Nation sees this as strength and really does, you know, protect her and really handles this situation as. as it should be handled with so much care. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, 1,000 percent. I mean, anyone who has hate or negativity coming towards, I mean, anyone in general, but especially, like, Brooklyn in this case, like, you have no place doing that. But I really, again, hope to she can be a person that other people can look up to and take inspiration from, in a sense, to be able to get out of, or hopefully, like, take that stuff to get out of a very bad, toxic situation. So yeah, we had some good one-on-ones. Sack seems to really be into some of these women. Let's really briefly just touch on this before we bring Charity on, because I don't even want to get her

involved in this drama between Kylie and Anastasia. It was so weird because it was like actually something that we kind of saw go down, like that first initial conversation where Kylie went to go interrupt them to pull him aside. Like, what were your thoughts on all of that? because it really was like a he said she said she said type scenario but like we saw it all play out so yeah okay so here's a thing everyone who's been on the show it's so awkward so like when there was you know when there's that initial interruption where somebody's having a conversation with the lead and you have to walk over and you interrupt and a lot of like the time most of the time people do ask for a few more minutes because it's a really short about a time to get to

know somebody and you're really only sitting and talking to them for like what 10 15 minutes and if that like that's that's giving it a lot too right and so what's so hard is the person that that they're talking to it comes off kind of selfish if you ask for a few more minutes but like in the grand scheme of things you're trying to get engaged or see if it's worth an engagement and you're in the middle of a really vulnerable conversation because you don't have time to do a lot of small talk and so it's hard because it's like you don't want to just like put a nail in it and then

leave so it's like I understand that but then I also understand having to be selfish or firm on the other end as the person who interrupts and so like when Kylie came up and said asked for

to steal him and you know Anastasia said give me a few more minutes and then I went back to Kylie and she said but please Please, like, can I just steal him, like, take him right now? And please don't make me fight for it. It wasn't, please make, don't please make me, like, duke you out for it.

Right. She wasn't coming at her like that. Yeah. She was just saying, like, I'm holding firm. Please don't make me, like, really, like, fight for this more than we all know it's a difficult situation. Like, that's how I took it. Yeah.

And truly, like, that, there was no physical threat. No, no. And so, and that's where I was taken way out of context. like I get that Anastasia was upset that she was, you know, that Zach was being pulled. You could clearly tell that Kylie was very uncomfortable to do that in the first place. She didn't necessarily want to get in there and be like, hi, I'm going to pull him. But like, also timing is of the essence. And like you only have like, because it is a show, like it is kind of structured in the way of like, okay, now you like you can go talk to him next.

You can go talk to him next. Like go get in there. You have a couple minutes. Right. Like, so I think it was totally blown out of proportion. I don't think Kylie was coming at her. Kylie clearly did not want any altercation. She just wanted to talk to the lead.

I think though also too, and this is where I like tried to put myself back in that place. Like, I think it also would have been helpful for Zach to not just sit there. And I think he should be like. That's what I was going to say. I wish Zach would have stepped up and been like, hey, Kylie, give me two more minutes with her. And then I'm going to come pull you right after this. Like I remember being in that mindset where I was like, ooh, I don't want drama. I don't want guys to fight over me like I want to finish this conversation give me a couple minutes and so and so I will come find you like I think that's all he had to say and I really wanted him to step up in that moment and you know he just didn't he felt awkward too but that's what I was kind of hoping for and at the end of the day it's like I know that it's almost like he said she said but typically it's like he said she said and trying to prove to the lead what happened the lead. The lead

was there. Like, he was there in the situation. He read the room. He knew, like, if he really felt like Anastasia was at threat, I think he would have, he wouldn't have let anything happen. You know what I mean? So it's like, I really, no. It was, yeah. No. There was, I don't know. Just no. It could have, it could have just been stopped right then in there. Yeah. Emotions were high. We get that, but there's no physical threat. Oh, I do not miss those moments. So that's all I have to say. But who we have been missing for a couple of weeks is Charity. So we have been so excited to have her on. So let's not make her wait any longer.

Let's just bring her on right now. Perfect. Welcome, Charity. We are so happy that you are finally on the podcast. And like I'm just prefacing this of like, you are, I mean, Becca's girl. like we want you are you are our current favorite you are our favorite but like not even current like I just I feel it like deep in my soul this girl's gonna go far this girl's gonna go far I love that hey also you look stunning like first and foremost like I mean you're I'll everyone that comes on the show is stunning right don't get me wrong but you just you are beautiful we're so so so happy to have you on I want to just ask like before we get into everything is this your your first podcast. This is. Like, I don't, I don't do podcast. This is like the first one. So I'm like so honored that is with you all because I mean, I'm fan girling a little bit, but like honestly,

I'm so happy to be here. Oh my gosh. Well, it has been a long time coming since night one. How did you get cast on the show? Like, were you a fan of it before? Okay. So funny enough, I, my best friend from high school, she actually nominated me. And the thing is with her, she is not like a bachelor like fan by any means like I watch it like and I've watched several seasons like y'all seasons Peter Hannah Browns I've seen so many but I never at one point decided like okay I'm going to nominate myself for this so she actually kind of brought up the idea and she was like I'm going to nominate you I had recently got out of a relationship like two years ago and so I think her along with like a lot of other people in my life were like really happy that

I was no longer in this relationship so they took advantage of that moment and she was like I'm going to nominate you. I think you'd be perfect for it. You have like a great personality. And I did not take her serious because 80% of our relationship is just us always like goofing off. So I was like, okay, whatever. You're going to, you're going to nominate me.

And so I remember like it was right after I had finished my master's degree. So I had just like graduated like a week after I had gotten a call. And it was from one of the casting producers. And I was like, okay, like there's only one person that mentioned this to me. And so I remember texting her right away. I was like, did you nominate me? And then she goes, yeah, why wouldn't I? I was for real. And I was like, okay, great. So here we are. And so that's kind of was the process of how I ended up here. Wow, that's crazy. Okay, I just peeped out, though. You said that you had just finished your

master's degree. Yeah. Was that just everything that you're doing now with? I know that you mentioned that you were a, that you were a child, like in family therapist. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I did both of my undergraduate. and my master's degree at Auburn, so I went to Auburn. And so once I finished, I got my master's in mental health counseling. And my internship was actually within like trauma. And so I worked at a CAC, which is a child advocacy center. And so we kind of see the worst of the worst cases, which is like really like hard. But I was so incredibly passionate about that work. So I kind of just decided to stay in that line of a practice. And so you kind of mention, well, you hear me mention it a little

bit on the on the show with zach um talking about that but um i still work with kids and then kind of getting that family aspect too so it's really more trauma focused but um really do have a heart for that and incredibly rewarding work that's so wonderful and i feel like yeah you probably do such difficult work you probably see so many terrible things in your line of work so just thank you for being there for those kids yeah i wanted to ask you this and i was thinking about this like once we knew that we were going to have you on. Yeah. So taking it back, and I don't remember what week it was, but there was one group date that

you were on where, oh, it was the group date where Tosh came and crashed the night portion. And everyone, all of the women are kind of spiraling, freaking out, like, is she going to stay? Is he going to keep her? And you in that moment, and I actually said this on the podcast a couple weeks ago, you were like, let's do some grounding exercise. Yes, let us all calm down. Yeah, which I was thinking like, damn, I wish we would have had somebody do that. on our season that could have kind of just like kept us level even healed did you find yourself

doing that a lot throughout the season when things kind of went awry with other women to kind of help bring them back down and yes and to answer that it's so funny to you all bring that up because I did like kind of almost instantly kind of feel like okay I might be playing the therapist's role here like all season I'm gonna even check from ABC but like yeah but um I remember just like a lot of the did just kind of find like comfort and like coming to me and talking about things and and and I'm not thinking in that moment like oh like they're utilizing me because of like my profession I also just think like it was just like we were all like such a close cast and it was easy to like really talk to people but I admire that a lot of the girls did like try to come and talk to me and

so throughout throughout the season like you'll see little snippet like peaks of me trying to implement some like therapy tactics and like group chat like conversation so yeah I kind of bounce back and forth a little bit where were you on the season I was on? That's honestly even just like talking to you the few minutes that we have spoken and for those who are at home listening

or wherever you guys are listening charity is like glowing as she's speaking about what she does and I absolutely love that I love that you're so passionate about working and just helping with helping people helping children but how whether it was on the show or whether it's now

how do you maintain that balance? How do you maintain the balance of you you care about these people that you work with you care about the girls that you're helping on the show right but it also can be really heavy when you're in a line of work that it's it's built on passion right yeah yeah how do you like maintain that balance and make sure that you're okay like who's checking in on you whether it was on the show you're trying to navigate your relationship with zach but also you're trying to help everybody else think through things and you know at home or when you're working you're navigating through these really difficult stories and it's not like that weight or that emotion gets taken off once you

leave your office or at the end of the day. So how do you keep your balance? I know this is like really cliche to say, but like self care and like I don't take it lightly at all. It's something that's very important and not even just for me like anyone to practice no matter what you're doing. And I have grown to know that like self care is not for me like sometimes might just mean like, okay, I'm not going to be on my phone or like it could be like I'm going to go exercise or I'm going to go on a walk and I'm going to do this. Like there's so. many things that are incorporated within like self-care and so that's just strongly something that I lean into whether that's like journaling I remember on the show like I journaled every single

day I'm a spiritual person so like I was doing like devotions like things like that to just kind of help me keep my mind at bay with things but then also they're just like connecting with other girls too like I knew like I was close with a lot of the girls like almost every single one on this season and so just finding those people that I knew I could have like maybe more like deeper conversations with um that was like really important for me so it i mean it it could be anything but for me that's just kind of just self-care it's just what i do and burnout in my field is very like easy to happen like i remember like and obviously i do trauma so like it's not like light um but like what you said you mentioned like leaving your work at home like i don't take

anything home with me like i leave it at the door and it's like it'll be there for me next week or whenever I go in again but I try to just like what's for work is for work and when I get home like that's my time yeah how was it how is that transition then well I guess maybe two transitions you could say leaving work and you know and your stability your family your friends your daily life routine leaving all that behind coming on the show where you're stripped of all that normal see you're stripped of your phone any contact with your family and then coming back into the real world And I'm assuming you went back to work, correct? Yeah.

Okay. What were those two transition processes like? Was it, I can imagine it was very difficult. Still adjusting how I would say. But yes, I think the hardest part for me, like, going on the show was, like, being stripped away from, like, my support system because that's, like, a part of my self-care practices. It's like, okay, if I need to, like, get on the phone with, like, a friend or if I need to go out and go to, like, get drinks or dinner, whatever with my family, whoever that.

may be like that was not no longer there for me so like I kind of did struggle a little bit with that but adjusting back to I guess the real world after the batch of being in the bachelor bubble that was I think it was like not as hard because I was just like so eager to get back and I think for me like I just wanted to make sure like once I jumped back into work that I was fully like prepared to do that again and so I did kind of um with my caseload I just try not to have have so many like clients all at once because before I was seeing a lot. And then now it's like still like minimal just because like I am still in like an adjustment period myself. And so I want to make sure that whenever I am like treating or like just sitting with a client that I'm like at

my full capacity to be able to pour back into someone else's life. Do you ever have to? That's a lot. That's so much. And okay. So you're you're currently in Georgia right now. Are you born and raised? yeah well I'm not born my dad was in the military so I was born in New Jersey but I basically have lived in Georgia my whole life and then went to school in Auburn so like lived in Alabama a little bit but obviously they're right next each other so okay so is the accent that I hear an accent I say that because we both have Minnesota so you hear that peep about all the time is it so it's from Georgia I'm assuming everyone everyone says that and I'm like I don't hurt and I obviously I

know I can't hear it myself, but like everyone says, you have like this little bit of like this sudden draw. And I'm like, okay, like it's a little twang. I guess people here. You do. Yeah. It's charming. I love it. It's a little twang. It's very, I love it. I really do like it as well. Is that word? Do you have family that that's living there as well? Yeah. So my, um, both my parents are here. They're retired. And then I have two siblings that live here as well. And then I have another sibling. So I have two brothers, one sister, um, a sister and brother live here. And then my brother that's closest and aged with me, he lives in North Carolina. Okay. He's like only like not too far. Yeah. Would you ever, I mean, obviously the show does

some crazy things. And we don't know if you and Zach end up together or where that leads. Would you ever consider moving away from your family or is like this home base? Like Georgia is where you want to be. Oh, 100%. I'm like eager to like move away. Not in like the sense that. Yeah, not in the sense that I'm like ready to like be away from my family like I think I will always have that like component of me like being family oriented in that sense but like I am just ready to like let's start afresh because I mean like I said being in school for so long it was still like I was still in close proximity with my family and like friends so I do have like a bit of like you know comfortability here but like in no way am I like attached to like Georgia like I want to leave

Okay. Well, if you ever need tour guides in either Minnesota or California, call us up, because we got you. I'm excited. Very vastly different. Okay. Oh my gosh. I wanted to ask something more about like projecting in the future and I totally lost my train. Oh, no, no, no, sorry. This is what I wanted to ask back to family. We've all, you know, we've all done the show. And we've all, it's one thing when you're filming it, but it's another thing when it starts to air. And it can be. awkward at times. It can be cringy at times. Have you been watching it back with your family, with your friends? What has what has that been like? Because I used to watch with my family and I was like, okay, fast forward. Fast forward. My uncle's kids can't see this part. I have watched it with both like friends and family. I remember like the first night, obviously the premiere, I watched it with like everybody. So my like family friends were all together. And for the most part, like I know like I kind of prefaced them, like, if I thought something was coming up.

But, like, I don't think I did anything that was, like, too crazy. But I just, like, the missing scenes, obviously, like, night one, everyone's like, like, okay, like, come on, guys. So I'm like, so uncomfortable. Isn't it so uncomfortable? It's like, it's like you, oh, especially when you're like, dad is in the room. Exactly. Your dad's in the room.

And I look over and my dad is, like, trying to just, like, mask. And he's, like, scrolling on the phone. Oh, that's okay. That's how mine was too. He's not paying any mind to it. I'm like, oh, God. It's just a different type. Like, there's, like, vulnerability

and, like, showcasing yourself to the world and, like, being vulnerable in relationship. And, like, yeah, vulnerability, like, vulnerability with watching it back. But, like, that's, like, one vulnerability that I'm like, I don't know if I actually need this. I don't grow.

I don't grow for my dad seeing me make out with somebody. Yeah, absolutely. With multiple men, Michelle. Right. I mean, definitely different, for sure. Well, who knows? Maybe Charity, you never know. Maybe you'll have to live with that, too, one day. Yeah, multiple men and having your family watch it back. Just let me know. Maybe if you need me to fly to Georgia so that I can start prepping your dad to see you on the screen a little bit longer, you know, maybe trying to find your own person. We might need that. We don't know.

Here's a thing, though. Beck and I know Jack's shit. We're just man. manifesting. Like, I really, if you're with Zach, I really hope you're happy. But part of me also is like, can she not be? I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I hope you're not with Zach. And I hope you're a bachelor. I'm saying it right now. Damn right. Because you want to know what? We need a, oh my gosh, we need a bachelor. Like, you just, you have it all. You're so well-rounded. You're so sweet. You're such a hard worker. You're genuine. Love. You just have a perspective. Not part of drama. Like, I absolutely love it. Bless our screens. Please.

But if you are with Zach, I'm sorry, I wish you well. We can still be friends. I'm just, I'm manifesting, okay. I'm going to be such a bride. I'm going to say, I hope it doesn't work out. We want you for Betty. That's all right. I love that.

Campaign starting it now. We're campaigning. Give us a little bit of background, like prior to the show, had you been in any, like, long-term relationships? Like, what was your past like that could, like, get you to this point where you're like, okay, I do want to find a lifelong partner? Mm-hmm. So, yeah, so kind of mentioned it a little bit when I, how I got nominated. So the relationship that I was kind of talking about then, um, it was a pretty long relationship. It was like

six years on and off. So pretty long. Um, dated like senior like, it's like high school sweetheart, like literally like this is my person. So, um, high school sweethearts went off to college. Um, we had some turmoil there like on and off. Um, but then kind of came back together like a little bit right before I started grad school, but then it obviously just, like, didn't work out. It was just a really, like, unhealthy relationship. And I think in that moment, like, I was the one that kind of had to pull the plug on it and, like, decide for myself, which was something that was really kind of hard for me to do because I'm typically the type of person that likes to see the good in everyone.

And I'm like, okay, like this person, like, they're capable of, like, changing or, like, I take what they say and I mean, like, they mean what they say to me. And so I had to pull the plug on that. And I think in that moment, like, it was just a moment where I had to, like, stand up for myself and advocate, like, what are the things that I want in a relationship, not just, like, what this person needs and always, like, giving into what they want. And so did a lot of, like, therapy with that and just, like, healing and trying to figure out what it is that I actually did want. And so kind of getting to this point, like, I dated, like, people after that, but they were by no means, like, a really long relationship. it was like a few weeks or like a month, if that, and then just kind of realized that this isn't my person either.

And so I think right before the show, I just kind of had a period where I was like, I'm not going to see anyone. Like, I just need to really like just strictly focus on myself. And then this opportunity came and I was like, well, you know what? Here we are. Here's a sign.

Right. Here's a sign. Did you feel like it was like, like an opportunity like a door was just opening that that you were supposed to take this and did you have any reservations when that opportunity was presented? Yeah, I think I definitely had reservations. I think it's, I mean, it's kind of hard to say like you go on something like this and you're not like maybe like unsure about how the outcome could be or what could actually transpire. But for me, with the timing of everything like everything just kind of fell into place, like just graduating and then like getting the call and then like having all summer of like going through

the like the casting process and then I remember like right before like the decision was made for me like everything was just like pointing to like The Bachelor and I was like I don't know what this means like I don't know how to take this but I'm like you know what like if it's for me it's for me and if it's not it's not and like that was kind of like my mindset going into this like I wasn't going to force anything but I remember just like all right if you know when something presents itself to you it's almost like i believe like everything does happen for a reason good or bad um and so i kind of had to like put my perspective there and i remember just like it still didn't hit me until like i think got getting out of the limel and like holding sax

and i was like i don't know what i'm doing but that's how everyone feels yeah they're like how do they get here i'm sure um so when did you when did you find out that zach was going to be the lead and like had you watched gabby and rachel season did you know a little bit about him yeah so i did watch gabby and rachel's season and so i did remember like seeing him and like he was definitely someone i was like okay like he wasn't like at the forefront like you know his personality i don't think like came all the way through the screen but i was like okay like he seems like endearing and like really charming and just like a good person and so i remember watching um it was like the finale after the final rose when he was announced i was with um some

friends and we were having like a wine night and um i remember i think we recorded it because it was part of the like what I submitted for my um like promo video but um I remember we were all sitting there and I was like I don't know who it's going to be but like I think it might be Zach but like it could be also anyone else like I genuinely don't know and I remember him like when they said it's Zach and I was like oh my goodness like I was like I don't know I honestly like kind of felt like multiple emotions like it wasn't like yay but it also wasn't like I hate this choice like no way I was like let's see like how he like handles himself on this stage and like you know what he talks about and so i remember when he came and sat down

with jesse and he started talking about like his intentions like what he was looking for like a person of like good character like he is looking for his best friend i remember him talking about his parents marriage being married for like 30 something years i was like all those things were kind of just like in alignment with also the things that i was looking for and like we had very similar like connections like my parents were married for 47 years i was like okay this is great um and i remember like him also just being nervous so like it all it wasn't like he was put together in a sense it was like he was unapologetically himself and i love that i was like he's goofy he's a little nervous like it's like it's not a full like put together like um mask and so i think i really resonated with him on the

stage and like i kind of had this like sense of peace i was like okay like i don't know if there will be a connection when i get there but i'm here for it so we'll see i love that you went into it with that mentality. And I think everyone can relate to being like, yay, I'm excited, but like also, who knows, this could be like a totally terrible fit for me. And it's really not, like you said, it's not until you get their night one. You actually can see each other. You can actually talk and interact and like see if there's a connection where that's like when it really starts to take place. And, and I love that mentality because we've had so many people like throughout all the seasons. I've been podcasting for three years now. Yeah. Where people are like, I was.

So excited. That's the one I wanted. I'm like, are you just saying that because you're on this podcast right now? So I appreciate the honesty. Did you feel like, and you just spoke about, you know, like your past relationship and how it kind of helped you like learn what qualities you did or did not want in a partner? What were some like once you got to know Zach and it actually met him that he embodied that you did want some qualities? It was for me. I was really looking for just like the honesty. He was always very like up front. and just transparent and like whether that meant like it was a difficult conversation or like a good conversation like he never held back and I really appreciated that because I know how hard that can be especially like even that's still kind of something like I like struggle with a little bit of just like okay like I don't want to hurt someone's feelings but like I need to be honest like that's something that he like possessed and he was very consistent with that but also just like his confidence like he was so certain in what he wanted and like there was no like there was no sway in that like he knew like i came in here for like marriage i came in here

for my best friend like he's not here to play games and i think like knowing that that was his intentions this whole time like i never felt like i was wrong by him um and so like just like that confidence and like the honesty factor it was really just like it just shone through to him and so i was like yeah i i'm here i love this oh i love that for you and honestly speaking of shining I will say that the moment that you stepped in to meet Zach, like it seemed like sparks were flying, then you hit the football date and you freaking crush everybody to the beach party.

Like, you literally do it all. You truly do it all. But really back to that moment of you building up, getting to see if this person potentially, you know, could be somebody you spend the rest of your life with, when did you really start feeling like those like butterflies and those types of sparks fly um yeah i think it was after um i will say night one like that's a little soon but like i don't want to say like oh my goodness like no way i was in love with the kid but like

i definitely like i definitely felt like a little bit of like a spark there just because like i think i went into like night one like i wasn't even like that wasn't on my radar to even like kiss him or anything like i was just more focused on like okay this is the opportunity to see, like, is there a connection there? And even if it's not there, like, could there potentially be one, like, that's developed later on? And so I remember, like, our conversation was very lighthearted, but I remember when I started talking about, like, my line of work.

And then I think that was, like, a really, like, connecting factor for him because of what his mom does. And so when he asked, like, kiss me, I was like, yeah, absolutely, like, no hesitation there. Twist my arm. I was going to say shit. He did. He asked to kiss you. So we know that he felt.

Sparks. He was into you. He did not ask just anyone. Right. He really didn't. How was that? Oh, it was so, it was so sweet, so special. I think I was like so excited. I answered way too quickly, like, watching it back. He was like, can I kiss? I was like, yay. Like, absolutely. Can you relax a little bit in part down? But I remember, like, the kiss was just like so sweet, so special. He really is like as genuine as it gets. And that's something that I just like when it comes to guys like that's just rare I'm going to be honest it's very rare so yeah yeah I admire that so much well and it seemed like that connection kept going because it was in the next week that right it was the next week that you got the group date

rose during that evening portion which I want to get into a little bit because you're so happy for you and I felt it was very deserved how let's just start with that how did that feel when he called your name to give you that group date rose yeah um i was i was very shocked i was genuinely surprised and not in the sense that like i felt like i wasn't deserving of it but it was more so like there's so many other girls here and you never know what those conversations are like like you only know what your conversation is with you and him and although we had like a very fantastic conversation just highlighting things on the group date um and then just like things that he admired me and like just kind of getting that validation like 101 but to kind of have

him come out and also give that validation in like a group setting like I was genuinely so happy and wasn't expecting it like I said so I felt great however we know like how how things kind go down let's get into that a little bit I don't want to start with that but we of course have to ask you we're here we're here now so let's talk so obviously we saw Christina make some comment of like whatever she said I don't understand why and Michelle and I actually talked about this on the podcast too because we were like

don't rob charity of this moment like and it's not for Christina to understand why Zach is making these decisions like she's not privy to your private time, your conversations like she has no idea and she did bring you to tears that night so

what was that like when she first made that comment and like it kind of kept going for a little bit Like once Zach walked away, like the girls were still talking about it. Like, talk us through that a bit. Yeah. Initially, when she had made the comment, I was just like, okay, like, what, like, what do you mean? I think that's when you seem, I'm like, I'm sorry, what?

Like, bless your heart. Like, what do you mean? And I was a little taken aback. But I think I don't know. And I don't want to fault myself for like asking that to like almost in a sense like that is what kind of continued the conversation. Because I don't think me asking like for clarification, like, what did you? you mean by this or what did you say is the reason why she kept going but i think you know for in that

moment i don't want to fault her for like how she felt but i think it was also just very important to like have a level of self-awareness of like reading the room almost or like you see like you can feel those feelings you can have those feelings but maybe like this is not the appropriate timing to vocalize that um especially in this setting or just like not knowing when like kind of draw the line like enough is enough type situation so you um obviously the viewers like see me visibly like in tears and I don't want apologize for that too because I think we like stigmatize like tears as like a sign of weakness it's not like I thought they were totally valid yeah right and from oh go ahead no you're good um

but I just remember like for me like that was just I like had to think almost instantaneously like how am I going to like regulate myself in this moment like do I want to like choose to like go back and forth with someone or do I just want to like have a moment to myself and that's kind of how I regulated myself was just like through tears and then you see me get up and exit stage left like this is where the therapist comes out where everyone could take note from you yes yes I think I think from a viewer standpoint okay because we're watching you all go through the state we're watching and we're seeing I mean we're seeing whatever you know whatever's coming across our screens of your conversations and we're getting to know you ladies and everything like that and I think

we're like from a viewer's standpoint for me personally anyways what was so frustrating is you are the person that was grounding everybody else and all these other all these other moments right you were there to calm people down you stepped outside of yourself to help others to like bring that inner peace and the least the least that we could do is just to have self-awareness in this moment you don't have to you know, you weren't ever asking for someone to, you know, cheer you on and let's go with shots and celebrate because you got the group roles. Like, you never expect that. But it's like, but damn, like you give so much to the people around you and help them. And you kind of always naturally fall into this position.

So then for that moment to be the one that where they're really kind of, or were not they, Christina's coming at it to really strips that away. And I can see why that would be hurtful and frustrating. And no, the tears, you. you did phenomenal. You handled that. You are a stronger woman than I am because like the way, and I feel like it has to play into kind of your self-care that you were talking about where you were like, how do I handle this? Like there's a couple different ways I can take, but like how do I preserve my energy and to just not keep egging it on, not to keep asking questions and to just, as you said, exit stage left. I was like, who does somebody get this girl a trophy or something because like the amount of patience. and just calmness that you exuded in that moment, I was like, kudos to you. Yeah. Because it could have gone.

Yeah, I always say like to treat your battles wisely. Like, this is not a moment for me. Right, right. So speaking of girls that you may or may not be close with, who were some of your best friends in the house? Yeah. Like I said, we had a phenomenal cast. And I don't say that lightly, like a lot of the girls

and almost all of them, like, I was extremely close with. But you'll see, like, there is a few that, like, I'm just like, all right, I think after last week's episode, like, Brooklyn, like, she is a rider. Like, she is very protective, but also has this very, like, sweet side. And I really, like, just connected with that. I was like, thank you so much for, like, standing up for me. Like, I appreciated that. Kylie, like, she's incredibly, like, sweet.

Ariel, me and her have, like, some of the best conversations, but she's, also very funny. And then Katie. So Katie is just so, so down to earth, easy to get along with. So those are the few of the ones that, like, really stood out. I know that you mentioned, so you can see that you and Brooklyn are really close. And I'm sure that you guys really have had so many conversations supporting each other as you navigate through this really, really weird world. How was it honestly seeing and hearing how she opened up to Zach just about everything that she's been through yeah um me and her really like talked a lot about that which it's so it's so weird because it's like these are the people that we're like going against or like we're dating

the same person and it's really hard but i will say like i felt like i personally did a phenomenal job of like just separating the two and compartmentalizing like okay they're dating the same guy but also like i'm also forming friendships like in a weird way um and so at any point like usually whenever the girls talked about it um but like from brooklyn standpoint like it was always just like out of like genuineness that she was like bringing something up to me or talking about certain things that she wanted to talk about with him or what happened in her her life um i always met her there with like grace and so um me and her just like really just defined like a really special bond and so yeah i don't know if that answered the question did it

no no totally answer the question yeah yeah yep yep i think And I think you said it best. And no one, unless you're really on the show going through it, I don't think people can really understand, like, that compartmentalization where it's like, these are, like, you are forming some lifelong friendships and you're getting really close with these people. I mean, you're spending 10 times more time with Brooklyn than you are with SAC, right? So it makes sense that you would get close. And still, like, to, and knowing her past and anyone's past, like, knowing how important that is, like, if she were to be the one to end up with SAC. of course these are conversations that have to be had. So I think it's really good that you had each other to lean on for support

because I can't imagine her sharing that would have been easy. I mean, not only was Zach, but let's be honest, like with half of America that's probably watching this. Right, the world, exactly. Yeah. Did you feel like besides Brooklyn, you were able to get a lot of support from the other women, like, reciprocated to you as well? 100%.

That's why, like, I think we all were so close to season. It's just like everyone is genuinely like so supportive. of one another and we just um I think we're all like selfishly like in a way like rooting for ourselves but also like other girls too um which is like I said it's a weird distinction to make but we I definitely have that support from a lot of the girls in the house well we can see that we can see everything that flows through you so that's amazing and of course because of all this we're not shocked that you receive a rose this week and then you learn that you guys are going to London.

London. Have you ever been there? How excited were you? I was so excited when he said London. I was like, oh my goodness, because I was actually going to go to London. Like, I think before I came on the show, like this past summer, but like I just ended up not going. So I was like, okay, this is like also on my like bucket list to go.

So I was like really excited. Never been before. So had no idea what was going to be in store. But I genuinely was like feeling. all the emotions when he said, all right, we're going to London. And I was like, heck yeah. How fun. I feel like this season, you guys are getting some really good city, well, countries, cities

in different countries, like right away. I feel like usually we live in the mansion for like three-ish weeks and then we start traveling. And it's usually like, for the most part, domestic. And then you go international. I was like, oh, damn, they're going international right away. No, we hit the ground running. This is the season to be on.

Damn. Well, we're so excited to see what's to come, obviously, in London and beyond that. And, and I mean, Michelle and I obviously love you and are manifesting that you go very far. So we can't wait to see what happens between you and Zach. Without giving too much away, can you give us a little teaser of what's to come? Yeah, there's going to be a lot of emotions, a lot of emotions. And without too many teasers, I mean, we're going to London, so it's going to be a little chilly. So maybe that's like alluding to some things.

Ooh. Yeah. This is a good teaser. Oh, this is going to allude to like multiple. I'm like taking this all kinds of ways now. Uh-huh. Is it because you're going to get cozy or does it get chilly with the drama? Does that make sense?

It might be above. It might be above. Like it's all the above. That was a really good teaser. That was like the best teaser we've had. People usually like leave it out. It's unique. It's unique.

It's a journey. It's obviously. Right? But okay, so I have to ask this. I've wanted to ask this from the start. But if the opportunity were to be presented to you, we want you to be a bachelor's. But if it was presented to you, would you accept? um i think i would um yeah i mean i think it takes a very special person to be in kind of the driver's seat of something like this um and i think for me like i think you guys obviously can see my heart and see like how adamant i am um about my journey and so i feel like you know if it was to happen it could be a good thing

So, yeah, I would be open. Hell yeah. Who sings the song, Jesus, Jesus. Who sings the song Jesus takes the wheel? Because I'm switching into charity. I'm sitting it. I'm switching into charity. Take the wheel.

I'll feel real comfortable then. We are manifesting this. Well, Charity, we truly are. We truly are. It's been such a joy talking to you. Like I said, we've fought for you to get on this podcast for so damn long. I'm so happy. I'm so happy.

And it's been so much fun just getting to know you. And we can't wait to continue to see us on our screens. And we do want to play a quick game with you so that our listeners can get to know you a little bit more. And it's called Rapid Fire. And so I'm going to shoot a question to you. And you're going to give like a one word response or a brief response. You don't have to give any explanation. It'll just like be super up tempo.

You ready? Yeah. Are you an early riser or a night owl? definitely night owl we are up what is the best stating advice you've ever received um I will have to say love yourself first

yeah putting yeah it's not selfish to love yourself first at all that was deep we're gonna switch years with now what is what is your go-to pizza order um the Kevin McAllister special is cheese I love it just cheap I know that's plain but like I've been on a cheese pizza kick so it's i i get it girl okay give us one word that your best friends would use to describe you

um i think they would say authentic like jaredes real like she's just real i get that your favorite curse word probably fuck yeah oh my god everyone always pauses they're like can i curse on this yes no i'm not thinking twice is that for that that's probably that's that's she has Straight TikTok right there. She knows. Prather of us. Okay. What is the most

played song or artists in your library? I'm a drake girl. Mm. Yes. A little toxic maybe, but I love drinks.

So, yeah. Hey, I'll wrap it. Favorite cocktail? I'm a French 75 girl, which is gin and champagne and lemon juice, but I sometimes switch out the gin and we'll, like, add tequila.

So, oh, I had no hesitation with that one. She used it real quick. I know. I like it. Well, I'm going to have to send you some of my sparkling wine, Bordeone, just so you can try it in this cocktail. I actually used to make it all the time. Like, I shouldn't even admit that.

But, like, I went through a phase where that's all I would drink, like, back in April. I was obsessed. And I was like, I got to cut this out a little bit. Oh, my goodness. It's a good one. It is good. If you could be any animal, what would it be? A cheetah.

They're giving like fears, but like not doing too much. Like a bonus, like a subtle bonus, I guess. Yeah. So that's fine. Like I'll work for it if I have to. Right. Exactly. Exactly.

Love. What is the current screen saver on your phone? It is me and my best friend. I'll show you guys. We're just such little. I don't know if you guys can. see it. Oh, cute. Yeah. We love a good bestie.

What's her name? Bestie. Carina. Hi, Karina. Shout out to you, girl. Okay, besides London, if you could visit one place in the world, where would you go? I feel like I'm the only person who has not been here, but Santorini Grease, so beautiful. I haven't been. Okay. I haven't either. Yeah. Okay. Girls, girls, dress. I feel like a lot of people have, but I need to go there immediately. Love that. If you had to describe this season of The Bachelor in one word or phrase, what would it be?

I will say sentimental. And that's not like a sad, like sentimental can be anything. But I think for like both the contestants and like with Zach, like you'll see there's just a lot of, a lot of emotions that are going to be involved. All right. Well, you have us hooked. We can't wait to see more of you. okay so this is the last part and we always love to share resources with our listeners so just important information or topics or hence the name a resource that people can go to to learn more about especially diversity we think it's so important to just know more within this franchise um so i'll just start michel can take it after that and then we'll wrap with you and then after that we'll get into our fun little rose and thorne which i'll describe so my resource it was actually something different but i switched after Rihanna gave me some info during the Super Bowl

and we all know that well Michelle you definitely know you have fenty products but I figured it would be a good time to share some black owned beauty businesses just because it is Black History Month so I have a quick list the first one I'm going to start with

the name is pattern it's hair products I actually bought some of the products for Thomas for his beautiful black curls that he absolutely loves. So if you need any good hair products, it's called Pattern. They sell at Target, too, which is no one. They do.

Yes, they do. And then a couple other ones here. And I'll screenshot all of these and link them, all my highlights, really, and tag them. So you can quickly, anyone listening can go and look at them. Another black-owned beauty brand is called Juvea's Place. There's also one called Mented, which I have seen some of my girlfriends use and my mother,

my future mother-in-law as well. And then the last one is Miel. So I will link them and tag them on my Instagram so anyone can go check them out and know exactly where to find them very easily. Perfect. All right. So last week I spoke a lot about just like this one sheet that you can go to with like really celebrating Black History Month, the do's and the don'ts. And making sure that it's not this like watered down version and a big piece of that was making sure that you're purchasing. This kind of goes alongside of what Becca is saying, but purchasing products that are coming directly from a black-owned business and not purchasing products that are going through a white-owned business that is trying to represent black-boned products. And so what I found would be really helpful this week is there is a website called Black-owned Map, and it's essentially this black marketplace where you can type in what you're looking for, whether it's hair products, beauty products, whether it's other services that you need to get done. and it will direct you to a list of different black-owned businesses in your area or that are close to you. And so, again, it's the black-owned map, and I will link it in my highlights and everything. But it's just a really easy way that you can go through a filtered and, like, credible source of being able to actually locate those businesses that we can support.

I love that. Yeah. Thank you, Michelle. And Charity, you are up if you have a resource. Yes. So mine is actually a podcast, but Alex L. She's a restorative writer and author, and she has several books a lot with like healing. But her specific podcast with Libby Delaney is called This Morning Walk. And this podcast essentially focuses on mindfulness practices and the transformative power of how a morning walk can basically like set the tone for your day. And so I'm a person who really strives and tries to incorporate. mindfulness into my life, which is essentially just being present and learning to kind of detach and separate and living in the moment. And so she has a lot of like different prompts that are for each individual like morning podcast that she kind of walks you through, but then also

teaches you different types of breath work, which is good for like breathing and keeping you calm. And so good tranquility here. But I love her. I adore her work. And so that's just a good podcast if you're looking to kind of incorporate that or struggle with trying to find time to practice mindfulness. Amazing. Well, thank you. I'm going to check that out because I could use anything to help my stress levels. I think that's, and you probably, I'm assuming you used a lot of those techniques on the season, I can imagine. Oh, yes.

You started early, so that was smart. We'll definitely check that out. Well, Charity, before we let you go, we have the fun part, which is the Rose and the Thorn. So from your time so far on on filming Zach season or even just watching it back, everything that we've seen, what has been your rose, which is your highlight. And then Thorn could be like a cringy moment, an upward moment, something that you're like, I could have lived without that time. Yeah. I will say the Rose will have to be the Bahama Group Day. I was truly thriving.

I will say my thorn. This is like tricky. I'm like, I feel like there's different ones. But I will have to say, for me, saying goodbye to the girls, like it's never easy. And I don't think like that even like changes no matter like your relationship or dynamic. It's just like we spend so much time with each other.

So it's still hard nonetheless. And so having to like say goodbye or just living. through another rose ceremony. Yeah. So, yes, that's like, yeah.

Well, it's in the grand scheme of things, I feel like that's a good thorn to have because it means like building connections and forming those friendships,

which is so important. So, Charity, we have absolutely loved having you on. It was such a pleasure. I really, I mean, I can't wait to see more of you on Zach's season,

but Michelle and I are going to fight hard for you for lead next season. So this will not be the last you here of us. Apologies in advance. It's going to be hashtag charity for Bachelorette from here on out, everyone. So just deal with it. Yeah, I just signing on as a full-time campaign. I love that.

We're going to start the petition now. I'm Michelle, and I support this message. I approve this message. Y'all have been such a blast. It's honestly, like, I'd never thought I would even have this moment with you guys. So I'm so glad I did. And y'all are so fun, so sweet. So thank you guys for letting me.

join y'all of course and as you navigate always reach out whatever you need we got you um we know it's a weird world and a weird time with everything there's a lot happening so yeah we're always here um for whatever you need yeah so thank you so thank you guys thank y'all i'm obsessed i love her she she's just she's just she's just she's just she's the person you want in the driver's spot like she's just she's so sweet she's so thoughtful um has good a head like a really good head on her shoulders so i just i hope with whatever happens um in the future i just hope that she's happy yeah she's the girl that you would have wanted on the season with you like somebody that is fun so kind you know she's a girl's girl so she can kick it but also yeah has that level head where she can

kind of keep you grounded in the midst of the chaos so i'm a huge charity fan you know what i'm to say I will love to see her as Bachelorette one day. So I'm going to keep my fingers crossed over here. But until then, we still have a ways to go. We still have more than half a season. So I can't wait to see where she goes in the next few weeks. So thank you, Charity, for joining us. And a huge thank you to all of our happy hour listeners. We couldn't be here each and every week without you. So thank you for tuning in. And new episodes of The Bachelor air every Monday at 87 Central on ABC. And you can stream the next day on Hulu. And don't forget that Cal is still open for men to date our next

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