Bachelor Happy Hour - Cheating, Dating Age Gaps, and Mothers’ Intuition — Susan & Kathy Get into It All | Golden Hour

Episode Date: April 5, 2024

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan are answering dating and relationship questions from Bachelor Nation! Listeners wrote in some juicy questions, and Kathy and Susan are sharing their advice. From cheating to age gaps, Susan and Kathy don’t hold back with their thoughts on how they’d navigate the situations. Plus, we learn more about our iconic hosts themselves and some of their experiences in love! Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to follow so you never miss an episode! Looking for some Golden advice? Head to bachelornation.com/goldenhour to submit your questions to Kathy and Susan.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. We're back. Susan and Kathy here. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour. Thanks for joining us. And if you haven't listened to our episode from Wednesday, you got to go check it out.

We had former bachelor, Zach and his fiancé, Katie, on the pod. Kathy, weren't they fantastic? Oh, you know, they are an amazing couple. I think I said it on the podcast yesterday. When you look at them and how they speak and how well they talk with each other, they're so in love. I learned so many things about them, like Katie's sharing that she visited Texas. And she's from Canada and said, I want to make this my home and did it. And how they communicate together, what they shared, about their future.

I loved it. I loved it, too. You know what I find amazing? They've been together, what? Several months. And they already know so much about each other and what makes a great relationship. I should say what makes a relationship great. They work together.

They spend time together. They have date nights. Katie does the cleaning. Zach has dinner ready for when she gets home from work. I mean, I love it. Were you not thrilled when he said sometimes I'll have dinner ready when she walks through the door? I was like, oh my God, a man after my own heart.

I know what you and your cooking. But honestly, I really, I mean, if anyone questions whether the process can work on the Bachelor, listen to this podcast again. They are proof positive. of how great and fast a really loving relationship can grow. And we talk to them about the difficulties of living together when you don't really know each other that well and you're getting to know each other.

And how about what they shared? They communicate. That's right. That's what you and I were talking. They compromise. They communicate. I feel like these are the words that we keep saying. But these are the things that make a great relationship.

And they, I'm just so happy for them. and I can't wait to go to their wedding. I know. Destination or Austin, either one works for me. You know what? You're going to have to get some cowboy boots, Susan, if it's in Texas. I've got like 40 pair. Okay, perfect.

Okay, so listen, today we're going to be answering questions from fans who have written in asking for advice, and you are not going to believe some of these questions. They're really good, Susan. You can submit your questions at bachelornation.com slash golden hour. Well, wait, I want to do. that. But first, let's get started with today's question of the day. So what's something you used to believe about relationships but no longer do? Hmm. What do you not believe in anymore? I think that for me, it's not that I don't believe in it. I think that love is something that

takes a lot of work, staying in love. It's easy to fall in love, fall in lust, but I think that relationships don't just happen. They take a lot of work to be good. What about you? I agree with you. I agree with that. Something that I used to think, I used to think that that puppy love or that lust love, the beginning stage, that one year thing is going to last forever. But I know it doesn't. You're exactly right, Kathy. It takes work. Which is why you want to find your best friend. Somebody that without the love and the intimacy that you could hang out with every day. You know what I mean? You share your space with, share your time with. Well, I agree with all that, but I also think that relationships change over time. You just said that. I mean,

they evolve in a good relationship. In a perfect world, we grow together in a relationship and we find ways to build our relationship stronger. But, you know, it takes a lot of time and effort. And that's, I think a lot of people just aren't willing sometimes to put in the effort. Yeah, some people give up too early. I mean, it's happened. As I said earlier, talking with Zach and Katie, you hold things in and you don't let it out and you build resentment. And I think that's a lot of reasons why relationships don't last because you're not speaking.

your truth. And well, and I think sometimes I agree with that. Sometimes you have to hold it and at compromise. I keep saying that coming, you know, you're just not everything you think needs to be said, right? But I think it's time to get on to some listener questions. What do you think? I like it. So do you want to read the first one? Okay. Ron from North Carolina says, I'm 69 and a retired military man. My wife passed away almost two years ago. I'm very fond of a single neighbor who is 30 and has two children. She has been inviting me for supper at her house at least three times a week, and when I leave, we hug. I'd like to kiss her, but I don't know if I should ask first or tell her I'm attracted to her. How do I find out if she has feelings for me? me. Well, Ron, thank you very much for sending this question to us, and we're going to talk about this. Kathy, do you have a strong feeling one way or the other on this? Susan. Yes. Perhaps you didn't, let me just say two words to you. Two little phrases here.

I know what you're going to say, the age. I know it. He is 69. She is 30 with two young children. Okay, Ron, hear me. Hear me, Ron. Here we go. So when you're hugging her, you know when you look somebody in the eye, you know whether they're going to be receptive of that kiss. Or perhaps when you get real close to say, I really want to kiss you. But I don't want to ruin this relationship. Are you okay with that? Are you?

What's wrong with that? Susan. Yes. First of all, her children are young. So unless she's looking for a grandfather for those children, he is absolutely. absolutely deluding himself that a 30-year-old would be interested. 40 years. Let's do the math, Susan, start counting. She's inviting him three times a week, and she has two children. There's no age there.

Doesn't matter. Age doesn't matter. Are you? Really? Okay. If you really believe that, I want you to start counting, and at the end of this episode, you're still going to be counting the years between them. So it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It is a big gap. I agree with that. It is a huge gap. However, she's probably inviting him because he's an older man and she feels sorry for him. Are you consider yourself an older woman that people pity? You're 70 and look at you. You're still hot. Oh, no, no, no. Thank you. It could be an adult relationship on the side. You don't know where people want to be. I know where a 30-year-old doesn't want to be and that's in the arms of a 70-year-old guy. Give it up. Ron, I'm all about it. Communicate with her. Don't shock her. Communicate with her.

And please let us know the results. Ron, my thought for you is buy the kids happy birthday cards and sign it. Love your neighborly grandfather. You're done. Okay, get on to the next one. Okay, listen to her question number two. This is Casey from California. my girlfriend and I have been in a same-sex relationship for almost five years. Okay. Prior to being together, I had a boyfriend. However, she has only been with women. I have been thinking a lot about proposing to her lately. Then out of nowhere, she told me the other day that she thinks she would like to explore being with a man before she can fully commit to me. I was totally shocked, but I really love her. Should I suggest bringing a man into our relationship and do this together, or should I let her go off and do her thing?

I don't want to lose her, but I can't imagine her being with someone else. Can I start off on this one? Please, yes. Casey, you have to let her go. she's not asking if she can bring another man or bring a man into the relationship. She's saying she wants to explore being with a man. Unfortunately, for you, Casey, that may mean that she's deciding to go in a different direction.

You can only control your own ideas and behavior, Casey. I know that your heart will break if she leaves you for a man, but do you really want to be with someone who doesn't want to be with you? It's not a question of bringing a man into the relationship. It's a choice she has yet to make. What do you think? I agree with a lot of that, Kathy, but again, our big C word, communicate about it, talk to her about it. And if that's all she wants to do is have a physical thing with a man and Casey is comfortable with it, bring the man over.

It's that what you two feel comfortable with? I don't know if you want to watch. I don't know if you want to join them. Do you have any limits? Do you have any limits? No, because I'm very open-minded that way. And if they're comfortable with that, then so be it. Okay, but that's not what Casey's girlfriend is asking or communicating.

She is saying she might want to explore a relationship with a man. I don't think we don't know because we don't know either of these people. Right, right. But it doesn't sound like she's saying, hey, can we have a threesome? Well, she says she, out of no. where she's thinking she'd like to explore being with a man before she can fully commit. She wants to try a man, not a relationship. It doesn't say that.

I was thinking pure sex. She wants to have a physical thing with a man and make sure the woman is what she wants. Okay. But Casey's saying, should I suggest bringing a man into the relationship? That's where I'm going. She's not asking to have a man, a threesome. saying maybe I want to be with a man. So I think Casey, unfortunately for you, you have to just sit back and be patient and wait and see how it plays out. Do you not agree that they should talk

about it? You always should talk about it. But I think it's hard. Here's the thing. I think Casey's obviously in love with this woman, and I get that. But, you know, sometimes our hearts get broken. Sometimes things change. People change. Relationships change. Situations change. And you do want to know before you get into the married life. I agree. I think Susan, you and I can agree. I'm sorry. No, I was just going to say, I think you and I can agree that we wish them both the best and that it works out for both of them. I'm Jamil Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcast Politics. And on the latest episode of politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation

about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault

on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I don't write some. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you.

On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thurley before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realized just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem. I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Ross.

From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture Raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kurt Browneuler. And I am Scotty Landis, and we host Bananas. the Weird News Podcasts with wonderful guests like Whitney Cummings. And tackle the truly tough questions. Why is cool mom an insult, but mom is fine? No.

I always say, Kurt, it's a fun dad. Fun dad and cool mom. That's cool for me. We also dig into important life stuff. Like, why our last names would make the worst hyphen ever? My last name is Cummings. I have sympathy for nobody. Yeah, mine's brown-olar, but with an H.

So it looks like brown holer. Okay, that's, okay, yours might be worse. We can never get married. Yeah. Listen to this episode with Whitney Cummings and check out new episodes of bananas every Tuesday on the exactly right network. Listen to bananas on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. let someone go and see if they've come back, you know, that little thing about, God, we're going to go there. I am the worst at breaking up. Absolute world's worse.

I feel too bad. You know what I end up doing? It takes like six months. I've already decided it's done. It's over, but I'm still there. Yeah. And because I don't like hurting people's feelings and, you know, I'm a mush, mush. I end up, and this is something I learned about myself that I will improve on, but I end up

doing things that make them not like me, just so it's easier when I leave. You sabotage it. You sabotage it? Yeah, kind of. However, those days are over. But yeah, that was my pattern. I hate breaking up. I hate walking away. I think for me, I don't know, I'm sure I've sabotaged relationships, but I think for me, I just, when I feel like it's empty, it's almost like, I communicate that physically body language. Well, yeah, yeah, I can see that happening for me too. Right. You know, and I honestly, if I let someone go, I don't want to know if they come back.

I don't want them to come back if I let them go. I don't play those games. See, I'm still friends with all my exes. Oh, so am I. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I'm friends with all my exes as well, all two of them. But I just... Yeah, I know.

It sounds like we have 25. I'm just saying if I let someone go from a romantic relationship, I don't want them back as that. I want them to be friends, but I don't want them back in a relationship. Exactly. I agree. I agree. Have you ever taken one back? No.

No. So I just want to thank Casey for writing that in. I'm glad you shared it with us. And I, once again, want to know. how it works out. Yep, let us know for sure. Okay, we have one more time for one more question. Only one more today? Well, okay. We got to move on. But this question comes from Macy and she's from Idaho. She says, I have two beautiful daughters who are 27 and 30. My 30 year old is married and just had her first baby. Everyone was at my house for Christmas dinner and I accidentally

grabbed my son-in-law's phone thinking it was mine. We both have the same blue case. When I picked it up, I noticed a text that said, the other night was incredible. Can't wait to do it again. Oh, boy. Kissy face emoji. Oh. Yeah. The text was from someone named T.J. I really think as a mom, you know when something isn't right. I have a horrible feeling about the text. But my daughter has a newborn, and I don't want to put more undue stress on her. Do you have any suggestions? Wow. We both have daughters. This is going to be good. We both have daughters. Do you want to go first? You're not going to like what I'm going to say, but I think you should go first. All right. Okay. So as I just said, we both have daughters. My daughter just had her first baby. She isn't even a year old yet. If I read that on my son-in-law's phone, which I find hard to believe because I adore him. But if I saw

that, I got to be honest, Susan, to me, my family is everything, everything. So I would probably have to tell my daughter, quietly take her aside, because protecting my family and my daughter's happiness is everything for me. I think it's possible that, you know, here's my thing with texting. You never, you can't read emotion in it, so, but I do. You don't know who it's from. There's just initials, right? It's initials.

And on the other hand, you know, the other night was incredible, can't wait to do it again. I mean, they weren't at a sushi restaurant learning how they weren't playing golf. Yeah, I mean, and then with a kissy face emoji. So I don't know that's a tough one for me. I know this. If you say something, and it turns out to be completely innocent, you or I would really be putting a wrench in the works of the relationship and the family. So I don't know. That's kind of my initial thought.

What about you? Okay, Macy, you have to know. I'm Susan from Philadelphia. I'm 100% Italian. First of all, yes, our daughters come first. However, their hormones are still raging. They just had a baby. It is Christmas.

I'm going to take that guy by the you know what and pull him outside. Back in the day, he'd be gone to the wine cellar, and I'm going to find out the truth. I mean, it might hurt a little bit. This sounds violent. No, but we're going to have an eye to eye right there, right there. And we're going to find out, open the phone, talk to me. I don't care if you have to call the person. I need to know what is going on before.

my daughter's world just falls apart. So, okay, now you find out. Let's go with you, you find out what are you going to do about it? Let's say it's true and he's messing around. What are you going to do about it? Unfortunately, Christmas is ruined because he's going to have to go tell her. I'll make him do it. Oh, no, no, no.

See you? Uh-uh. No. And I'll be right there. Right there. I would make him tell her at Christmas. I would hold the baby so she can smack them on. I hope it wasn't something not bad.

But what are you going to knock over the Christmas tree? No. No. Out in the garage, I don't know what will happen. I may be hit him with a bat. I don't know. That's my first reaction. That's where I come from.

Okay. I would tell her, but listen, if he's been cheating on her, let's just make it up for two months. All right. Okay. Do you really, are you really going to ruin Christmas Day and Christmas dinner when the grandfather, the grandmother's there? No, I don't want to ruin Christmas Day, but I want to get the truth.

I want him. Him and I will know. and then we'll find the time for him to tell the truth. But like you said, our daughters are our lives. Yes. Yes. We protect, right? Yeah.

Anybody hurts your daughter? You're not going to go crazy on them? Well, I'm not going to take a back to them like you. Well, you never know. Depends on the mood. I'm not Italian though, so maybe I would have I read Italian. You know, I just think that that is a really tough one because, you know, as parents, we are there to support our children, but we also have to let them learn for themselves.

And, you know, what if you, the daughter might know. I mean, we don't know the circumstances here again. We only know this little tidbit. The kiss emoji thing and fabulous time last night, your brain's going to go crazy. I'll tell you what, Macy's Christmas was ruined by picking up that phone. And I feel for her. Yes, I agree with that. But I don't know.

I look at family a little differently, Susan. I have, well, obviously, you know, I have a brand new daughter-in-law, and I have a son-in-law. And I only have one son-in-law, and I worship the ground. He walks. He's great. He cherishes my daughter. He is a lovely man. And so, this question's hard for me, because I can't imagine.

You can never see that, not coming from him. Okay. Do you have a son-in-law? Tell me what that's like. What's your relationship like for them? ever do it but i mean there's been times where their relationship was struggling not too long ago and i stepped in and had a private conversation with him did you use a bat no of course not i want to know where your head's at what's happening here can i help but that wasn't a case of a kiss emoji emoji on

his phone do you know what i mean but yes i'm there for them as you would be for your family sure yeah I just think it's a little bit of a slippery slope. I think, you know, when I think back to early days of my marriage, I didn't really want my parents telling me what to do, what to think. And I don't know, the old expression budding in, I see a little bit of that. I don't know. It's a tough one. It was an accident, though. She grabbed the phone by mistake.

But was it an accident? When you see something like that, you react. I would just react. I'd probably start crying. That's where I'd start to cry. Oh, I don't know. So everybody out there, if you have a question for us, we want to hear it. We really want to hear it.

Just go to bachelornation.com slash golden hour. You may even be featured on one of our podcasts. We would love to hear from you. I'm Jamil Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcast. politics. And on the latest episode of politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives. And that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected

to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you.

On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about thoroughly before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you were, realized just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem. I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Raw. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart

Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kurt Brownhuler. And I am Sky. Scottie Landis and we host Bananas, the weird news podcast with wonderful guests like Whitney Cummings. And tackle the truly tough questions. Why is cool mom an insult, but mom is fine? No. I always say, Kurt, it's a fun dad. Fun dad and cool mom.

That's cool for me. We also dig into important life stuff. Like, why our last names would make the worst hyphen ever? My last name is Cummings. I have sympathy for nobody. Yeah, mine's brown oler, but with an H. so it looks like brown holer. Okay, that's, okay, yours might be worse.

We can never get married. Yeah. Listen to this episode with Whitney Cummings and check out new episodes of bananas every Tuesday on the exactly right network. Listen to bananas on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so all of you out there and back, bachelor nation. You know that Susan and I are great friends. We take care of each other. We love each other. We agree on a lot of things, but there's some things, really many things that we

definitely don't agree on. So we're going to play a little game here called another game. Another game. I love games. Who's most likely? One of us is going to read the scenario and then we're both going to say who's most likely to do it. Okay. He in Susan? Okay. I'm in. I'm in. Which one of us is most likely to kiss on the first date both of us i think we both would do that i think so i'm going to kiss him right before he pays the bill for dinner okay if he doesn't pay the bill there will be no kissing no but wait what do you call a kiss like a pet the first date is just a thank you i've not like a kiss i've i've done it both ways a makeup session If I'm attracted to the guy, sure.

Why not? All right. You lean in and hanging. You don't pull back. All right, Kathy. Way to go, girl. Go Kathy, hey. Okay, how about this one?

Who is most likely to go skinny dipping in the ocean? Oh, God bless us all. In case anyone doesn't have a good memory here, let's just remember about Susan skinny dipping in the pool at the mansion. So, Susan, who's most likely? Every morning, 6.30 a.m. Nobody was up. It was all good.

But no, I, yeah, it would definitely be me. Okay. Who would put a much younger photo of themselves in your online dating profile? Not me. Never. Why? Why would you do that? I don't know.

You got eventually have to go meet them. How many times? You and I've talked about this because we've been on dating sites. You get there. You meet the guy. You walk right by him because he doesn't look anything like his picture. And then he'll say, Kathy, and I turn around, I still don't see him because I'm looking for a guy 20 years ago. Kathy, that's catfishing.

That's the word cat fishing. That's what it is. Well, really catfishing is it's not even that person at all. But the same thing applies. If it's a 30-year-old picture or a 20-year-old picture, you're not the same. So, yeah, just saying. You're teaching me something every day, Susan. Okay.

Who would date someone 20 years? younger. And I want to remind you of the question we just answered. The 30 and 69 year old I got you, no, no, 20 years now. What's your limit? Too much. I mean, it depends on who I meet, but probably 10. Yeah, I'd go 10. I'd go 10. That's about it. All right. I mean, if I really, really was attracted to him and liked him, 12 would be pushing the limit. Susan, Susan, if you really, If you really, really, really liked him and he was next door, admit it, you'd go 30. Well, that wouldn't be for a relationship, though. That would be something different.

That's what I was reading that time. Yeah. All right. Who would be the first one to hit the dance floor at a wedding? We just did it. We just did it at my son's wedding. We both were the first ones out on the dance floor. It was great.

Absolutely. And it was so much fun. Okay. Who is most likely to buy a round of shots for strangers at a bar? I've done it. I've done it. And you know I'm going to throw back a shot. So, okay. Yes, I know. Right on Joey's, after the final rose when they passed out those shots. I was like, oh, I got to do this. Kathy, give me yours. You're already sipped it. You know, there's nothing wrong with doing a shot. It just makes a day without a shot. It's like a day without sunshine. Oh, God. Okay. Here's one. Who would have a vacation?

fling what's a fling tell me what a fling is cath I think is that a fling yeah I'd go for I'd say that that would be considered a fling

would you do it I don't think I know not just once and done I mean what if it was a what if it was a two week vacation fling

so twice in the no my luck I would do it I would fall, okay, and then they'd never call me again, and I'd hate myself. That would be the worst vacation. You know what my luck would be? He'd have lied about where he was from. I'd get home to Austin.

He'd be like living down the street, torturing me. Oh, my God. All right, which one of us, we've talked about this, which one of us were often to split the bill with a man on a first day? Yeah, we've covered that one. Okay, so who will be the first one to sign up for another reality? show. Oh, ding, ding, ding.

We're already packed. I mean, we're, we had such an experience being on the Golden Bachelor. It was so much fun, like we said before, about friendships, about getting to know who we are. Yeah. And being okay, you know? And who, you know, when you think about it, I don't know about you, but I didn't think that's what I was going to get out of our friend, out of being on the reality TV show. Who ever thought we knew going in, only one woman was going to get the guy.

But did you really think that you would build a friendship like we have? I never even thought. I went there to fall in love. Right. I did too. And unfortunately, we got into the friends zone. I did make a friend. I mean, Gary and I would be friends forever.

But no. No, I never gave that a thought. I mean, I would sign up for some reality shows, but I think the lessons we learned were so great. And the friendships we made were so great. It was definitely worth it. Exactly. And then the message we got to share

with everybody about it's never too late to feel good about yourself to live life again and it's never too late to have a fling all right here's the last one who gives better love advice who do you think oh I think both of us have something to share Kathy that we can't pick one I agree I think we both have lived a lot of life we've both had great experiences and heartbreaking experiences and I think that's why we were both able to give advice. Yes. And I'd be happy to share what I know and what I've learned with all of you. I think that's what makes this podcast so great.

We can share our thoughts. And we're waiting to hear from other people as well to help them with their thoughts. Let them give us their thoughts on what we say. Maybe we're missing something, right? I'll tell you what I'm missing. I'm waiting for my DMs to get full because they're still. crickets. So, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us. That does it for this episode. And don't forget, check us out on Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour. Yeah, thank you guys so

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