Bachelor Happy Hour - Cindy Part 2: The Ben & Ashley Drama and Who Has Their Eyes on ‘Golden Hour’

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

Today on “Golden Hour,” we’re back for part two with Cindy and things are heating up! We dive right back into it, kicking things off with a very interesting rumor Kathy heard: Is someone trying to steal “Golden Hour”? Then, we talk about Mel and Peg’s quarrel on Ben Higgins’ and Ashley Iaconetti’s podcast; things are getting messy and we’re here to give our true, honest thoughts. Plus, for the first time, Kathy and Susan give us their post-interview thoughts and deep dive on all the tea we learned today. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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aka neurolinguistic programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour, Golden Hour. We are here with Cindy for part two of, our discussion with her. Make sure you stick around. You don't want to miss it. I have a question, and this is something I heard. So I know that we talked about Amy feeling

bullied. Somebody told me, and I don't know who it was. Might have even been you, Cindy, but I don't know. I love that energy. We love your energy. But someone said that Pegg and Terry want to take over Susan's in my podcast. Have you heard that? What? No, seriously, I heard that. Is that true, Cindy? Have you heard that?

I'm blocked. I don't think I'm worried. Well, I'm blocked, too, but somebody said that. Well, I heard that they do have some Instagram live presence. They're trying to do the right. I love you. It's clear that those two have aspirations, and they've not shared them with me. Okay, Susan, Peg. I've spent time with both of them in Vegas, and I didn't feel any of that vibe.

I'm trying to remember somebody said they want. Okay, Susan, what do we say to Pegg and Terry taking over our podcast? That ain't happening, baby. No. I'll have you on my podcast, but. Not happening. Not happening. It's embarrassing. Ladies, it's embarrassing. We are Goldens. Yes. We should have a separate standard for who we are. I wish. I wish. this happy couple well we all want something from the bachelor to work out forever because I feel

I'd like to know how you feel but I feel that this process can yield a forever love oh for heaven I've seen it happen we've had witnesses and stop with this I think this what we're seeing this behavior right now is worse than the younger version and it's embarrassing as in golden

to and then to have them represent themselves for our entire generation. I'm like back off sister. I've never seen anything like that though. So Susan, you and I've talked about Gary and Teresa like that debacle. And I thought, but but to your point, Cindy, as a golden, we're all three of us as goldens. We want to exemplify. Yes, lead by example. We want to lead exactly lead by example. And I feel like all this ripping on people and. Gary and Teresa did it too.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. She was on everybody's podcast and this, that, his word, her word. I'm like, come on. Yeah, you feel the same way, Susan, then. And then they feel like they have to defend it and come back with something else. And, you know, this whole back and forth, I feel just, just should have. You don't, Cindy. Yeah, you don't have to.

But I will say. You're a classy woman that knows what she wants. You're beautiful inside and out. Susan, let me ask you a question. What if someone posted on She's All Batch and said, Susan is lying? Ooh. Because my reaction, as long as I don't react, I'm better off. But my reaction would be proved them wrong.

But the better person would just laugh and say, it's a shame because you're making a fool out of yourself. Bless their little hearts. Bless their little. Wait a second. That is a southern expression. Cindy, do you want to say what that means? You don't need to. I think the world knows. I think the world knows. Wait, you know the story, Cindy, that I did not know. Wait, I still think hooking up is kissing, but Kathy has schooled me differently.

I had to explain to a few things. Yeah. I had no idea. She did. I just, but I have to say, you know, I spend my life vacuuming, cleaning out cat boxes and listening to Megan Pell on, Paganel on various podcasts. This is why I spend my life doing. And I got to say, to your point, Cindy, I really wish we could lead by example and be golden goldens and have people be proud of us. And I will say once and for all, I don't understand, you're not perfect, Cindy. I'm not either a Susan, but I truly don't understand the need for anyone. to cast aspersions on you, anyone.

I don't care who it is. It's to come at Ben and Ashley. They weren't part of our show. They were neutral parties. They were asking questions. And then to throw accusations towards them and to say that they haven't experienced anything. And when there are age, they'll have a different perspective. Well, I'm your age and I already have a different perspective.

It's just I've done nothing. And they are class act. I think Ben and Ashley are amazing interviewers. I think they're lovely people. And I love that Ben said in his rebuttal, if you will, something like, I don't even think about divorce. I am happily married. I love my wife. We are built on solid rock.

I love that. It's as if to say, if you're not getting divorced, you haven't lived, you know? I mean, that just... I've never heard a statement made from either one of them against you, attacking you. Well, then you haven't listened to the podcast. What's been said has been you can take it either way. You see what I'm saying? No, I did not see that.

I say you didn't listen to the podcast. You got to listen. I just listened to Mel's. And the only thing he kept saying was don't interview anybody else. Interview Peg again. Can you just believe that? Nobody else on our show is worthy of being interviewed. Everybody's worthy of an interview.

Really? I have a question. And I can't remember. Could somebody tell me is, what does Mel do for a living end? Did he even play college football? Not just college. He played in the NFL. I'm sorry, sorry.

Just asking. Yeah, Mel, I'm just pulling your chain here. I'm just, well, Mel, stay happy, enjoy you. And I feel bad for, like, there was, you know, we were out in California and they had evidently called Carol over Christmas and they were left her a video at a day center of video like hey this is us here's our our promised glasses here's our promise bracelets and just kind of poking fun about a statement that she made about getting a promise ring when she was 14 wait whoa whoa whoa whoa too many pronouns who got a promise ring when they were 14 Carol got a promise ring 14 and she shared that like

why would we end up nobody went on the show to get a promise ring right I have that when I was 14. And so she, you know, she thought that they were being playful with her at Christmas. And so she taped another video about looking into a store for a promise ring, but all the jewelry was gone because the store was closed. And she thought it was funny. And then, you know, I think that they took offense to it. So we can poke fun at them, but we don't know what their sensitivities are. Clearly, they're sensitive to something. I don't want to poke fun at a sensitivity of theirs. No.

But they can't have it both ways either. Wait a minute. Are you, wait a second. Isn't that the statement of indiscite out? Wait, wait. You can't say that it's funny to talk about it's a promise bracelet and promise earrings. I mean,

promise sunglasses, but when somebody else brings up a promise, then it's not funny. So it's like you can't have it both ways. The newest tracks. Let's go. New music. And the next big thing.

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about that? Yeah, I feel, I've said that from the get-go. Not only did he stand in front of us in person at the Rose ceremony and no one's holding a gun to his head, but he is saying, I think my wife, my future wife might be in this group. I love being married. He talked about marriage as if that was, you know and everybody goes on the plan knowing that that is kind of the path that you're taking and not that you get married at the end of the show or two months later but that is

kind of why people go on the bachelor's to find their first. That's the object of the show. I do love that Peggy Mal have found their own thing. I don't think that's the example that I want to set for future generations that when you're in your 60s

and 70s that you can just do whatever you want. I still think meeting together a family, showing those commitments, following through with commitments, are a vital part of our society, a vital part of civilization, and I'm not given up on it. So you're saying that you believe going on the show should terminate at some point in a marriage? No, an engagement. No, that's not what she said. Well, I think that the point of going on the show, if you're going to agree to being a lead or a contestant, you should go

in with an open heart, knowing that if you do find your person on the show, that you are ready and healed to take the next step, to have the commitment, to get to know each other better, to further that commitment. And if it, it doesn't have to end in marriage, there's a lot of reasons why people can't get married again. You know, there's financial reasons that people are nervous about providing the wealth that what that should go to their children. There's just, there's some reasons. But I feel that our generation should do a better job. of showing everyone, including ourselves, that commitment is worth it. Well, I don't think, I can't imagine anyone taking issue with that.

I did find it interesting on the show. Peg said she was looking for it. Sorry? I think they did take issue with it. That you could live every day and just have fun and that's their fun. That was their kind of thing. That's where they both were. No commitments.

Let's just go have fun. But that's not what the show was about. For me, I've watched it for years. It was a love story. It's about a love story. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I agree.

I agree. Let's do it over again. Your season back. We're all coming back. We're going to a couple of times. Wait a second. We could piece together. So, well, it's interesting because on the show, Pegged said she's just looking for a nice guy.

That's what she kept saying on the show. I'm looking for a nice guy. Seems that she found a nice guy. Perfect. You don't need it. I just feel that you just should not have a lead on the Golden Bachelor who is not prepared to take it all the way. And they could have met in the while. This was just not the format for that.

And so if you want to have that format, there's other dating shows. There's love is blind. There's, I mean, there's a lot of other dating shows out there. They think they'll have a golden love is blind? That could be fun. Maybe. Or Love Island. Let's have a golden love island.

Love Island, yeah, yeah. That'd be salacious. Well, you know, I honestly, as an onlooker here, I am sorry that there has been so much back and forth, so much unpleasantness. I, you know, I live in a glass half full world where I wish that they had walked into the sunset, happily and just enjoy each other and not being critical of other cast members, not being critical of you. That is, Kathy, and Cindy. Why do you think they even bothered to see anything about anybody else?

I don't know. Why do you think, Cindy? Why do you think? Why do you guys think? You guys have more experience with this than I. Why do you think? For somebody to do that, there has to be some bitterness. but nobody did anything to them.

I just don't understand. Unless I'm going to say, Susan, I'm going to say what Cindy won't say. The only thing that makes sense to me is that Mel wanted to pick Cindy and he's bitter that she left. And he was left with Penn. And you know, I'm going to take a lot of heat for that. Not what I'm sure there's a lot of fans out there that thought it as well. Do you think it's possible, Susan? Do you agree?

Anything's possible. Anything is possible. I don't understand if he does. didn't want Cindy, if it was Pegg all the time, then great. You got, I'm envious of Peg. I'm envious of Peg and Matt. Her bold move made him. Yeah. He got what he wanted. He didn't have to send her home. He didn't have to send you home, Cindy. He got what he wanted. Because that's the hardest part. So if that's all true. And why are you so mad about it? I don't, that's what I'm asking. I don't. So Susan, to your point, is he bitter because he really wanted Cindy? You know,

I'm not trying to pick a fight with anybody. I'm just looking at what happened, wishing that Goldens could set a better example for our generation and for the youngens. His fear of that commitment and she was just a fun, let's go party kind of girl. And they're getting along great. So good for them. But just leave it at that. Everybody wishes you well. That's all.

And that's what all three of us have said. Just let it go with that. You don't have to rip on Ben and Ashley. You don't have to go on other podcasts. And now I'm sure you and I, Susan, are going to be ripped on. But, you know, I wish it could just stop here that Cindy's moved on. It does stop here. We're done.

Well, we're done. I don't know. I'm going to go on. I'm going to see if I can get on Ben and Ashley's show and see what Ben really knows about raising a family. Because you know what, Ben, I don't think you know what racing children is like because I've raised three. He's just beginning. I'm joking. I think he knows precisely what he does. Okay. Well, Cindy, last thoughts from you.

Questions for us. I love you, ladies. I love your delightness that you bring to the Goldens. I've loved every minute that I've had the blessing. We've met each other first at the brunch and we've had to... How about us at the airport. Oh, yeah, waiting for flights. And honestly, that's what all of this has been about from. me, but it's a shame because it could have been about something a lot more. And, you know, I went on

the bachelor to meet a bachelor who was ready to make a commitment. And I was close. And I'm glad I walked. I'm glad he found someone. I'm glad they're happy. It's time to move on. And you know what? That is a perfect way to end this episode and close this book, hopefully. That's going to do it. And Cindy, thank you so much. for coming on Golden Hour, for being vulnerable, for just speaking your heart and your truth. We love you. We support Mel and Pegg, and hopefully we can just leave it at this. Absolutely.

And the next time, in Austin, you better make time for us. I think you were busy. I've got some places to take you. Boy, she does. Coming back. In the in again. IHeart Radio is throwing it back. 20 days, the decade.

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both been assassinated, and Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's Al-Mermata, Moore House College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King's senior and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying. In 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago.

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You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. To keep this secret for so many years, he's like a seasoned, This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people. Your creditor, Michael Leavengood. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What do you do in the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me, is where culture meets the soul, a place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life, celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks, and we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff, identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore, loss that changes you purpose when success isn't enough, peace when your mind won't slow down, fake when it's complicated. Some guests have answers.

Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you get control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka neurolinguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits.

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sus first of all she was a perfect lady as she always is yeah but I was a little bit shocked that everybody's being blocked especially you excuse me who's everybody it's me and and Listen, listen, you know, first of all, let's just say, I don't have a clue why I was blocked. You've always wished them well. You've always said positive things. We're all genuinely happy for the two of them. Well, you and I always say the same thing. Anybody who finds love, any two people who find love, I celebrate it.

And I'm happy that Mel and Peg have found love. However that looks to them, I am happy for them. So why were you blocked? I don't know. First of all, who blocks people today and we're all in the same family here? I don't know. I was shocked. I was really shocked.

Okay. So what did you think about what Cindy said like about her kids saying? Because I remember when they did hometowns and the girls were asking him questions. Yes. He wasn't very forthcoming. And Pegg's daughter as well was in question a little bit because that was Mel's personality. We've already discussed that. We know who he is outside of TV, if you will, when I've been in his company.

He's a fun guy. And they're having fun. We wish to well. He is a lawyer. He played for the University of Michigan football and he played for the NFL just in case you didn't know that detail. He says that a lot, God's a lot. But I just don't understand. To me, blocking people would be something if you're hearing negativity from somebody.

I don't think Cindy's ever said any ill words towards them. Listen. Or have you? I know I haven't. I know I haven't. I've only wished them well. And I'm a little disappointed to be blocked. But whatever.

I'm more disappointed that Terry wants to take over our podcast. That was... Do you think they were kidding? They were not kidding. It was... Think they were drinking? Well, okay. Because it's not going to happen.

It's not... But they were on a... Terry and Peg did a live... A live feed. They do that a lot. Well, that gives us an idea, Kat, since you're living in Texas and I'm in Philly, we're going to have to go live.

We're going to have to go live. For our coffee talk. We're going to... You know what? We should do that. But can I just say once and for all, unless... are fabulous producers who make this podcast happen, unless they tell us we're out,

we're not out. We're not out. So we've got that one. Okay, but what did you think about Cindy saying that she, her kids were done with them, she was done with them, like, why are they still, that's my big question. Why are they talking ill of Cindy? I don't understand. Forget blocking her.

I don't understand. Because we've moved. moved on. But they don't seem to have moved on. But why? Are they hearing things maybe? Somebody's whispering down the lane. Cindy does it.

She would never lower herself to talk ill about them. She wouldn't do it. I will tell you, you know, Cindy and I live in the same town. We get together for dinner. You know, we get together. She has been nothing but gracious. I really. She all the only, I hate the word, but I'm going to use it again, shade she has ever thrown is that she's glad they didn't. And that's to me personally that she realizes they were not, she's so glad she left, that she realized in that moment they weren't meant to be. So I'm like. He wasn't given her anything that she wanted. So it was a great idea. What do you think? Okay, Cindy feels like, if I heard her correctly, that, um,

an engagement should come out of the show. Do you agree with that? I do agree with that. I most certainly do. Because to me, this show is about falling in love. Now, if you can't find anyone, I know that does happen. Yeah. But to do the promise like they did.

Yeah. Because I think they were both on the same page as Wild and Free. You know, that song? Let's just go have a ball. Yeah. However, I, expect somebody to get engaged at the end. And I always cry for the person that didn't get it.

I mean, that's the whole show. What do you feel? What if, let's just play this out, because now you and I are going to be producers and directors. What if they'd gotten engaged? And then six months down the road, we have a Gary and Teresa, not a wedding. But that does happen, Kathy. So you'd be okay with that.

Yeah, if it doesn't work out, you try. I want to reiterate, and I'm actually interested. in your opinion. How do you feel about what Cindy said about we are goldens and what are we, what is the, how are we setting the stage for other people? And what I said to her and I quote, we lead by example.

That's not what we want to lead by with what's going down now. Yeah. You know? I agree. We've been around a long time. I mean, listen, I've had other women from Cindy's show call me and I think maybe because they think we have a podcast and they say you know why don't you put on your podcast you know Peg bought followers they tell me I said I'm not you know

whether she did or didn't I don't care it's not of our business it's not my bit you know Peg if you're buying followers I didn't even know you could do that can either did I but come to find out apparently you can I don't care about that stuff I care about what you're saying which is let's live with grace Cindy I think and I like Peg That's the thing. I know. She's fun. She's fun.

I think they're a great couple. I just wish that... Do you think maybe they thought you said something? Somebody told them that you said this, that, or the third? Or is it perhaps you and Cindy spend time together since you live in the same town? And they see that maybe that's why. I can't imagine. I don't know, but let me say two things.

One, yes, I do spend time with Cindy. Yes. But that's number one. But I like Pegg. If she lived here, I'd spend time with her too. Yes, absolutely. The other thing I will say is I can't imagine saying something so negative, like blocking people, saying negative things. I don't understand.

It doesn't make sense to me. And you know me. If I say something, I admit to it, right? You know me. You know me. So I've never said anything about the other. other than I wish them happiness. So I don't know.

I don't know what to say. And Mel, if you are listening, you got nothing but love coming from us. And if there's a reason that you blocked Kathy, I wish I knew what it was because she's never wished you ill at all. She's very happy for you. Honestly, honestly, Mel and Pegg, I'm envious. How many times have said that, Susan? Yes, yes. I would love to find my person, and I'm so envious.

Mel, you could have taken me to Brazil. Or the Super Bowl, we could be there. Or the Super Bowl, because, by the way, Mel, by the way, I am a New England Patriots fan. I mean, I sat out in the cold for years with season tickets. So, you know, it's not too late. Give me a call. I'll meet you there. With Peg.

With Peg. Not trying to steal anybody. Absolutely. Absolutely. I don't know. I feel like this between what's happened with Ben and Ashley, who I admire, I think they are both very good podcasters. Very good. And I admire them. And good human beings. Good human beings. And I just, I, I, I, I hope that both of them will sit back and reflect on their words. And, and when you ask,

who else who we have on the podcast, you don't say no one. You don't dismiss them. You don't have that sort of arrogance about you. That wasn't good. But I kept thinking it was in a defense mood. Like he didn't want them to interview anybody that were going to talk about them. You interview people to see what their experience was like on the show. That's all that's about. They're reading way too much into it to make those statements. Okay, I'm going to ask you a question. I'm putting you on the spot here.

Do you think, well, no, I am putting you on the spot. Do you think that, yes, they're together. But do you think that, and I, you know I hate this expression, do you think they came on there for the right reasons? Because now I'm doubting it. No, I do. I do. You think Mel came on and find him? He wanted to find his person. He's different than most men.

He did. He says it in every podcast. He says it in every interview. His idea is not all up front and I'm going to fall in love right now. It takes him time. And I respect that. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.

I don't think it helped the show, but I do respect it. Susan, I just have one more question. When are you and I going to be the golden bachelorette? We're going to have to create a whole new show for us, Kathy. I'm not giving up. I just want to round this out by saying, I hope, nothing but love. Show the love, guys.

Be an example to other people. You know, don't throw shade. How many times have I said that today? It's almost as they feel what looks like, like they're being attacked or something and they're lashing back out and no one's attacking them. I don't know. That's the part. Nobody.

So. But we wish them well. Wait a minute. Cindy is going to have no problem finding a man. Oh God. She's so pretty. Men fall all over her. Wait, Susan, I was about to say, Peg, Mel, reach out to me and tell me what you're thinking.

And I thought, they can't. They blocked me. They don't block me. Please unblock me. Wait. She has your phone on me. She blocked it there too? I don't know.

You know what? I should, I have an out-texted her. You know what? We wish you will. And one thing I will say, one thing I've learned, and how many times have I said this, life is short.

And you guys pay attention to the life you have because once it's taken from you, you can never go back. So enjoy it. Enjoy each other. And stop. Stop making other people look bad.

It's just not a good look. Be kind. Be kind. You know, she's always been kind. I've always had fun with her. So have I. We've never talked about Cindy. Like, I don't know where that came from.

I really don't. Well, you heard what I said on the podcast. It's, you know, I'm, I was on debate team in high school. The only logical thing is that he felt humiliated that Cindy. I can see that. I can see that. I get it. He felt humiliated and angry and shocked that Cindy left.

And then whatever anyone wants to think, you know what? You're left with two choices. Well, now he took Pegg because he wanted her or he had to pick her. I felt bad for Peg for people thinking that, you know. So do I. So do I. But you know what? But you know what?

But you know what? And so go on and live your life, you know, and be happy together. I'm going to be trailing right behind you looking for the guy. And I'm happy for them. They were just in Rio. They're having a ball. Okay, well, this has been great. Listen, please send in your questions.

And comments about this episode. We want to know what you guys think. Please, you know what to do. Go to bachelornation.com slash golden hour. Send us all your comments. We really do want to hear what you have to say. And Peg and Mel, we love you. start showing love to the rest of us because we love you.

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