Bachelor Happy Hour - Cindy: Somewhere Between the Sock Drawer and a Puppy | Happy Hour

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re back for part two of our interview with Cindy! We get started right away with a hot question we’ve been wanting to ask: What did Cindy’s daughters really think about Mel? She takes us through the conversations she’s had with her kids since coming back from the show and what she thinks her kids didn’t get to see. We also take things back to “After the Final Rose,” hearing from Cindy how she felt seeing Mel again and what she made of their final conversation. What questions is Cindy still left with? Plus, Cindy tells us what her dream guy looks like and how she feels about her love life today, then she shares some beautiful breakup advice with us. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are back for Part 2 with Cindy. Let's get into it. I can't say anything bad about that man. I'll be honest. Even, you know, after experiencing what I.

did with him. I thought he was a little short with me on the hot seat to be honest that I didn't deserve. But in general, okay, thanks. I think he's a high quality guy. He's smart. He's kind. He's family oriented. He's caring. He's funny. He's like, I mean, curious. There's, I can't say anything bad about him. What did your, we're going to ask the same question. No, I want, I won't, if you are going I was going to ask the same question. I was going to ask, what did your daughters think of, what did they tell you after they met him? What did they think of him? That's what I was going to ask. Oh, really? Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. I'm curious why you want to know that question right now. Because you, because you speak very highly of Mel and I'm just curious if your daughters felt the

same way about him. They did not. They did not. And, uh, Interestingly enough, now we're getting somewhere. Now we're getting somewhere. Wow. I would have to fend it on after this. So my daughters and my son-in-laws, because it's not just the gals, it's those guys are protective of me, too. They're protective of me, right? And we've been through several relationships, so they're no longer shocked to see me with a man.

They're no longer so overprotective, you know, just because they don't want to see me hurt. They really do want to see me fall in love and be in love. and understand that being hurt sometimes is going to happen in relationships. And it was a very short time period. So they got to all meet Mel and chat with him. On their show, you saw Sarah and I having a conversation, and she felt like maybe Mel wasn't quite there yet. But what's interesting, she's the only one I talked to after they spoke with Mel.

The others, when they hugged me on the way out, the girls were hugging me, mom, you know, we believe in you, but use your discernment. And the word discernment, all three of them said the same word to me. And I thought, that's just crazy. Where's that word coming from? And in our family, judgment is right and wrong. Discernment, there's no value statement to it. It's what is right for you.

And I couldn't understand maybe what they heard or what they saw with Mel. And I even asked him several times, like, how did I go with my kids? And I'm thinking, what really happened? because I could get a disturbance in the force, so to speak, that there was something up. And then when I came out of the show and I had a chance to get my phone back and obviously call my kids, they were like, you know, they were relieved because they were worried for me. They didn't think that he was their right fit for me. It was unanimous.

And they were like, we would have, you know, given them more time. And we could tell that he wasn't as far. forthcoming as they would have liked to have seen at that stage. But back to your point, you know, maybe if he had been on the show and known how important that time was, he would have experienced hometowns differently and my kids would have experienced a different Mel. Because I know, I know that they would love them, given more time. The mail that I've known, my kids would be thrilled with, but they just didn't see it in that period of time. yeah and it is such a high pressure situation hometowns you're getting so little time to kind of

meet the most important people in your life so i would imagine there's a lot of pressure yeah okay so you want to go same question again i wonder no probably actually maybe maybe so ultimately you you send yourself home um in that moment like you get into like you you leave you get into the suburban, whatever car that is. The suburban. Whatever, the towel. I don't know what they're using. Are you, are you, do you, in your, in your gut, do you feel like you made the right

decision? Okay, let me go back to that moment. So I'm on the dock having dinner, knowing that I have to leave. And I'm, you know, I try to not be aware of any of the camera. and any of the sound people and the producers, right? You just have to, from the entire show, you have to just pretend like it's your real life because it is.

We're dealing with my real life on camera. But I just became aware of, I can't stay here any longer, but how do I get off? You know, the next step is for him to read the fantasy card and for us to walk off and go to the fantasy suite together and that's not going to happen. Do I have the power to leave?

Can I leave? Like, what can I do? I mean, there's nothing strapping me down, but, you know, in this mode, you're kind of just thinking, you know, you were told to come have this dinner at the table and you're having this conversation and I just knew I couldn't stay.

And then the fireworks went off, adding insult to injury. That was really, you know, hard. Yeah, of course. Because you're probably watching being like, I went into tonight thinking I'd be watching these beautiful fireworks with someone I'm falling in love with. And what a shocking moment that must have been. Yeah. So it was chaos.

It was absolute chaos. And even though I knew I had created chaos for these amazing people who were putting the show together, I was sorry. But I wasn't going back. And I really had turned the corner and made my decision. and just decided that I want a long-term relationship. If I'm going to put this much in at this stage and he still doesn't know, and he's probably not my guy. Very, very, one of the hardest things I remember ever doing.

Yeah. Did any part of you after leaving Antigua regret not going to the fantasy suite, wish you had said anything differently? it's okay take your time so hard no it's okay it's really hard i have i have no regrets about going to the fantasy suite um i wish i wish uh nothing but the best for mel and peg and that's how i know what i feel for him is very genuine like that true love the true love where you know as much as i want it to be me i just want him to be happy and I hear something I learned a long ago and I think men and women have the potential to grow from this but it's kind of a lot are you ready for it

yeah ready there's there's some people in our lives who want to share time with us why wouldn't they we live great lives we're fun to be around we add you know color to to every situation so there are people who want to share lives with us, and there are other people who will commit to us. And knowing the difference between those two can save you a lot of heartache and a lot of confusion, years of it. And I carry that with me because I've been in relationships where they want to share time with me. And that's great. But at some point, if you want to stick around, you've got to commit. And I just, you know, I see there's two different phases. in people, not two different people.

I think you could still have somebody who wants to share time with you eventually want to commit. But I just didn't, I wasn't getting that feeling from Mel. Yeah. So should we jump to AFR? Well, before we jump to AFR, so I like what you just said there. And like, I guess moving forward in your dating life, how are you going to, figure that out when you meet someone like like what's how do how do you know like how do you know the difference and like yeah i think i think it's my roommate monica monica b said to me uh girl

you know the only men who are going to date you are going to want to be in a relationship like anybody who's seen the show is going to be scared to date me unless they're going to be serious and uh you know there are buckets in my life i still have dating buckets i have people that I'll date to have fun and we'll go and do gala together or football games or fun things together and I don't necessarily have to be serious with them. But when I find someone who aligns the way I felt like Mel was aligning,

you know, I wanted more. And, you know, if the sun, moon, and stars ever aligned again, I'm going to want more from that relationship. And it will beg the question, again, at that moment, you know, if both of us are on the same page, we'll move forward. but what if not, will I still walk away? I think that will be the biggest test.

Like if faced with the same situation again, will I still walk away? I feel like you will because you clearly are someone that knows what they want and what they're looking for. I would hope so. I mean, that's 60 years old. I think you should have a better understanding. And not that things can't change, right? things will change and every season of our lives like next month could be different but I know what I want now and I believe that I have judgment enough discernment enough so to speak to be able to

predict what will be successful as a relationship for me and my family moving forward right it's you know as a golden you carry the responsibility of trying not to mess up your kids and their lives and your friends even you know how how do these people how would a new relationship a new partner integrate with the friend group you know yeah yeah definitely i think i think you i think you'll you'll you'll know but what do i know maybe you'll make a mistake who knows um they're tuned yeah a decade ago i was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight.

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it's kind of everything you've been explaining to us um and then mel comes out what was it like seeing him for the first time and what I believe would be months months months yeah um you know I knew I had to come back for that taping and it wasn't until to tell all that I realized wow I'm going to have to share a couch with him yeah yeah and yeah there was a lot of trepidation I didn't know how I would feel I didn't you know I didn't I didn't know what that would be like for me. And it's hard to say that I was looking forward to it because he's with another woman, right? That sounds a little creepy. So I didn't want to, you know, be excited about sitting next to him because he belongs to someone else. And I've got strong boundaries

there. Yeah, it was, I tell you, when I walked out on stage, I'm grateful for the audience response. And especially those women, you know, and my kids. was great and then from from that moment on i kind of blacked out you know everything that i wanted to say i didn't say and what do you wish i had said uh what i wish i had said that night i mean i think it turned yeah go fuck yourself that's a go fuck yourself i'm over you this is not what you would say jo this is what cindy would say i actually didn't go to the fancy suite because i even like you yeah yeah but i i wish i he mel wasn't in a moment where he would have heard me either and i'm a big believer that i you know i'm not going to hug you and slap you at the same

time and you know if if there's something hard to say i'll try to figure out a way to wrap it in feathers to say it to you and make it kind and mel just was in a mode that day where i feel like he he wasn't going to definitely wasn't going to learn anything from me let's just put it that way and he came with his own idea of what happened and I wasn't going to I wasn't going to change it Mel seems to really believe that going to the fantasy suite and being able to talk off camera could have potentially answered your questions and eased your concerns um do you you don't seem to be aligned on that. Like, it seems like you feel very confident that there was no benefit to you going to the fantasy suite. Yeah, I guess just how do you feel about that? Like, you guys didn't

really seem to come to a common ground on that topic. I feel that Mel wouldn't answer the question. Like, would the fantasy suite have changed your mind about making a commitment? Nobody's asked him that. And if you do ask him that, he'll deflect and say, but, you know, We've got to play it till the end. But if the fantasy suite, if I felt the fantasy suite, would have changed his mind to make a commitment, then maybe. But he was so adamant with me at the dinner. Are there questions? Are there things like what happened in my divorce?

What happened in his divorce? Tell me the details of what, you know, some of the trauma that you've gone through. These are details that are very, very important. But at this stage, I knew enough about him that I was. was crazy about him. And that would just be texture in the relationship. It wouldn't change the direction of my relationship with him. If that makes sense. Yeah, that does make sense. So I was interested in knowing the texture. But again, back to the comment of I'm not going to spend time with him. I want to commit to him. And he just wanted to stay on the other side of the

road spending time with me. And I'm grateful I didn't end up with the promise ring. that does not work for me. Yeah. And I tell you a little story, and I'm not sure if I have permission from my son-in-law to do this, so, you know, forgive me. Great, even better. I think it's good. Very close to my kids and to their husbands, and I'm so grateful for their relationship. And my son-in-law shared with me how important it was for him to be engaged to my daughter and to move from that, this is my girlfriend conversation.

to, this is my fiancé. And then he doubled down when he got to say, this is my wife. And there's such a pride for a man in some men, maybe in the man that I want, to be able to make a claim of you. So to have, this is my person. And whatever that vocabulary, that's special to you, I love, I love the way that feels to a man and feels to a woman. it feels or forget the genders feels in a relationship to to want to claim them as part of your life

and so that's the commit instead of the share your life for me like whatever that looks like it doesn't have to be the the wedding dress it can look a lot differently but mel was was clearly in the share your life stage yeah we see on afr that you express what commitment looked like for you and the actions that you planned to take to show that you were committing, which maybe to some people's surprise wasn't necessarily, you know, an engagement in a wedding. You said, I will move to you. We don't have to move in together, kind of aligning with that slower pace that he maybe is comfortable with. We can develop our relationship in the same city. We can spend time with our kids. And it was nice actually,

as a viewer to hear you kind of list out those things of like this is what commitment looks like to me this is what I'm interested in doing for you and for us and he responded with I think he said that doesn't interest me or I'm not interested in that yeah that's what he said at the AFR yeah did that surprise you yeah it definitely did I had um also gotten a comment from him like you've lived there 30 years you would leave your life this goes less to the commitment side as for me and more to more to the side of wanting him. You asked me before what I wanted to hear from him. I wanted to hear that he had thought about a plan.

So this was kind of more about the plans that we could do. This wasn't like this is what we have to do, step one, step two. But I told him I was definitely willing to live in California. I'd still have roots in Austin. I'd still have my friends at Austin. I'd still go back to Austin. It's, you know, I could still figure out what life would look like that way. But I would be willing to make those steps.

And he had nothing else for me. He had no idea of, you know, other than I've got to get two years down the road to get my boys, you know, out of, you know, situated. And by the way, I've been through that process with the kids. And I, you know, I might be able to help you with a thing or two. I think my kids turned out pretty spectacular, not without thumbs, but you might want to align yourself with somebody who could help you with that and not intrude with it, but integrate into it. And I just don't think he had thought about it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it seems that way.

I really, like, the way you're thinking about this entire situation, if you were my mother, that would have been the advice I would have given. you going on the show because it's like the show's great and it works and it's yeah yeah it's love this that but like when you get off the show like you do need to have a plan because like if you don't it's not going to work like we see it all the time where people like oh shit like we live in different cities and we you know and then like you know within within three four months of being separated it just doesn't work so like yeah you have to keep the momentum from the show going And once the show's done, it's not on the date producers or the, you know, the director, anyone, it's on you to figure it how to do it. Yeah. And I think you really went about this whole process the right way. You know, you didn't end up getting the happy ending that you want it. But like, you shouldn't have any regrets because I do think you did it the right way.

Yeah, I agree. I also think the happy ending. And it's coming from a guy who's been very successful on this. I really I really that means the world to me thank you for saying that especially from a male's perspective too I thank you for saying that of course I think that the happy ending you're looking for potentially wasn't on the table in this situation I don't think and I don't think it was the guy that was meant for you either um but I feel like you're definitely gonna you're gonna find it for sure you're gonna you're gonna get everything that you're looking for because you're not asking for too much you're not asking for a miracle it's it's very

It's going to be many more hot, many more hot L.A. guys. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York. Since the Son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here.

I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health. And I want to tell you about my new podcast called The Mailroom. And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone. Depends which bone.

Well, that's true. Every week, we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility and things that happen in the bedroom. You mean sleep? Yeah, something like that, Jordan.

We'll talk science without the jargon and get you real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about. It's going to be fun, whether you're 27, 97, or somewhere in between. Men's health is about more than six packs in supplements. It's about energy, confidence, and connection. We don't just want you to live longer. We want you to live better. So check out

the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night. Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Wally, a double board certified physician. And I'm Hurricane Dabolu, a comedian and someone who once Googled, do I have scurvy at 3 a.m. On Health Stuff, we're talking about health in a different way. It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also what our health says about us

and the way we're living. Like our episode where we look at diabetes. In the United States, I mean, 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic. How preventable is type 2? Extremely. Or our in-depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are.

Oh, it's hard to explain to the rest of the world that your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible, but, like, you don't even know. You don't know. You don't know. It's going to be a fun ride. So tune in.

Listen to Health Stuff on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And she said, Johnny, the kids didn't come home last night. Along the central Texas planes, teens are dying. Suicides that don't make sense. Strange accidents and brutal murders. what seems to be, a plot ripped straight out of Breaking Bad. Drugs, alcohol, trafficking of people. There are people out there that absolutely know what happened.

Listen to Paper Ghosts, the Texas Teen Murders, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Robert Smith. This is Jacob Goldstein, and we used to host a show called Planet Money. And now we're back making this new podcast called Business History about the best. ideas and people and businesses in history and some of the worst people, horrible ideas, and destructive companies in the history of business. Having a genius idea without a need for it is nothing. It's like not having it at all. It's a very simple, elegant lesson. Make something people want.

First episode, how Southwest Airlines use cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its way into the airline business. The most Texas story ever. There's a lot of mavericks in that story. We're going to have Mavericks on the show. We're going to have plenty of robber barons. So many robber barons. And you know what? They're not all bad. And we'll talk about some of the classic great moments of famous business geniuses,

along with some of the darker moments that often get overlooked. Like Thomas Edison and the electric chair. Listen to business history on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, so what is next for you? what's dating life look like? I'm just free for a week and I got my first day out. I got that drink. There is hope.

You know, I'm not sure. And there might be a period of time where I just go and have fun with my friends and see what happens. I think dating apps develop some bad habits. And I don't see myself back on a dating app necessarily to find. men. So I don't know how I'm going to bump into them. I'm waiting for the universe to help me out a little bit with that. I don't know. I'm just going to continue to be me. And I've gone through phases of my life where, and this might be another one, it's okay just to be Cindy Pooh. I'm telling you, my life is pretty spectacular. And if a man snuggles up to me and we can make it work, that's great. But other than that, I'm not going to wait or change my life. I mean, I've got. I've already been to several football games and concerts and dinners and, you know, two trips, three trips to L.A. I see my kids all the time. My life won't change that way.

I just really was hoping that I could have come out of this with a partner. What would your daughters love, what kind of guy would your daughters love to see you with? If they could build their dream man for you, what would he be like? Somebody who uses a few more words. I mean, definitely, sports are a big part of my life. So somebody who enjoys watching sports, going to sports, concerts, who's active, likes to travel, but is family-focused, like can sit around and do a puzzle who could, you know, have deep conversations. I'd love somebody who plays golf because my son-in-law's like to play golf. That would be fun.

Give more time for the girls. Just somebody who could just more easily integrate into our life and is willing to share their life with us. You know, I think that they've seen me go through several relationships where there's a partition between, you know, especially when it comes to kids and time with kids. Like, well, maybe you go see your kids this weekend and I'll go see my kids the same weekend. And I think, you know, I want something where we could do it all together. That's fair. Yeah, I'm not sure. That's a great question.

I might have to figure that out. Stay tuned. Ask me in a couple months how it's going. Would you ever consider being the golden bachelorette if they asked you? Do you think they could find 30 hot guys for me? I hope so. At least. I mean, they could at least seven.

You only need to pick one. You'd have to be able to commit. That's the whole question. I think there's a lot of women who deserve to find love out there in our golden years. And I think the bigger question is, You know, what is it that the show can yield? And what can it show either Goldens or Youngers or the whole world about this process, this stage of our life? Right.

And so I think we need to think about the next golden bachelor or bachelorette from that frame. And then find somebody that you could build, you know, stories around. And of course, it'd be great to show great dresses and great trips and great people. But, you know, what do we really want to highlight in those, you know, and showing this dating life and in these decisions that we go through from Goldens? And what's interesting? Like, I have some break of advice, for example. Can I give you some break of advice? You could, because I literally, my kids reminded me of this the other day when they were in middle school, one of their friends broke up with the first boyfriend and she was just sad.

They were sitting on the couch and I was like trying to pep them up. I came down and, you know, this is the first boyfriend they've ever had. And I said, you know, there's three steps to getting over a broken heart. They were like, oh, tell me more, you know, wise woman. And I said, three steps, three steps. I was making it up on the fly. But it's true. Step one, you got to cry.

You got to feel those feelings and get through it, right? I've been doing that in my life. Step two, you got to organize your sock drawer. And I mean this, because there's a lot of sense. stuff that while you're in a relationship, you don't do. You maybe neglect some friends. Maybe you aren't paying attention because you're, you know, you're spending time in their relationship. So get back to organizing your sock drawer and taking care of those things that you may have neglected. And then the third is buy a puppy. And I don't mean buy a puppy. I mean, go find your happiness

again. Go find your joy. That's great. I love that. I'm somewhere between organizing my sock drawer and buying a puppy that's great well i love that you made that up on the spot i mean yeah that's very impressive that is very wise it stuck it's so people think that i was so staged and so you know performative on the show i'm like oh really that's kind of how i that's kind of how i talk yeah i didn't find that that's so interesting good good um let's real quick i want to just like circle back did you watch uh the women tell all i did was there anything that came out during the women tell all that shocked you that you didn't that you didn't know about oh gosh give me some options of what i might have been shocked i guess well like what was the big i guess

the big part of women tell all was the beginning with Nicole all the Nicole drama or and you know like regarding um yeah Nicole Debbie listen let me just first of all Nicole is a good friend of mine And we were early friends and we're good friends. And I tasted those lemon bars. She's great, by the way. We had her on the podcast and she's great. She's great. I tasted the lemon bars. She could take full credit for them. They were not anything to write home about.

There's a hot take for you. Oh, my God. That's so funny. I love that. Nicole, if you're listening, you better work on those lemon bars. Yeah. Well, you know, to be fair, she had none of her recipes with her. So she's doing it on the fly.

Maybe that's why Mel sent her home. He was like, ah, these did lemon bars. up to the hype it's time to cutter now my bolognese you could ask the crew about my bolognese it was a pretty big hit really how do you do how do you can you give me a quick uh how do you make it jo's italian oh you too okay so we were dealing with mansion food okay so i only had ground beef i would normally do several different types of ground lamb pork maybe bison something like that depending on how much and then you've got to cut your carrots and your celery very small dice. And onion.

You don't do onion as well? I do less onion than you think. Okay. That's good for you. You don't really like onion. Yeah, but in my so frito, I use onion. Yes. And I set up really big, I mean, really small, and you just cook it down.

Just cook it down more than you think. And, you know, tomato paste. It's really whatever the mansion had, we had to throw in there. and just kind of play with it. So we got lucky, but it was pretty tasty for no recipe and no strong ingredients. It turned out okay. I put a lot of parmesan on the top, and it was perfect. That's the key.

Yeah, that is the key. To end this podcast on a positive note, can you tell us kind of one of your favorite memories from being on the show and what you'll take away from it? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. One of my favorite memories was being in my room.

And my roommates are Alessandra, Alex Lever, Diane, hello, funniest woman, Monica B and Terry. I mean, Monica B, this woman, she would keep me up all night with just loved our soft conversations. Great room. But the bathroom that we had, I'm really hopeful for this makeover, this mansion makeover. I can't wait to see it. My bathroom had a mirror about this big. It was tiny. And it was mounted so high

So my beautiful tall Monica B could see herself just perfectly I saw literally this much of my face And it was so I never knew how I looked And so I always relied on my women to make sure everything was tucked in To make sure things were right And that's why it was really devastating to me When my room, when everyone from my room was sent home And the big tear, it's getting real, this one

It's Getting Real was because, not because of Mel, but that was because it's getting real because I have to focus on Mel because it could no longer be just about those friendships. Yeah, that mansion needs a makeover. It's long overdue and I'm so excited to see it and I hope that they include in some big ass mirrors

because the girls deserve that. We need them. We need them. Yeah. And also my next door, so I was usually the first one up at the last one to go to bed. The last one to go to bed means I just would go listen to rooms and see who's still awake. And the party room was always Robin, Jerry, Carol, and Amy. Oh, my gosh. I think that's why I'm so incredibly close to them. I'd knock on the door. You can't walk

across the floor. Jerry's like, come over here. Come, come in my bed with me. I'm like, I'll be impaled by a high heel. So Robin was closest. I'm like, scoot over Robin. And yeah, it's just some of our favorite memories. We're late into the night, just talking and getting to know each other. And we all live by ourselves were grown-ass women and we got to go back and live with some other women with like-minded and it was a privilege oh that's so fun well Cindy this was really great it was lovely getting to meet you and talk to you and I think you're going to be just fine you're probably going to find a guy like tonight so yeah thank you for taking the time and coming on our podcast Thank you. You guys do such a lovely job and you really bring out some interesting aspects to the whole story behind what is the Bachelor story. And I thank you for that because it's really compelling and it's really important. It's a single most important thing you could do is pick your partner. Thank you. Thank you so much. And thank you to our listeners. Thank you guys for tuning in to Bet Your Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.

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