Bachelor Happy Hour - Clayton’s Reality — Part 2

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re jumping right back in for part two of our conversation with Clayton! We kick it off by getting into Grant’s finale, and Clayton weighs in on the sticky aspects of the very public breakup. Then, we dive into Clayton’s love life: Would we see him at a certain beach this summer? We also get a look at his healing process and how his creative outlets have led to personal growth. Plus, we have a candid conversation about mental health, healing from trauma, and the final chapter of his infamous court case now that all is said and done. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are back for Part 2 with Clayton. Clayton, welcome back. Let's get into it. What is your opinion? Did you watch Grant's finale?

Yeah, well, yeah, I was there. I was there. Well, I didn't know if they, it was screened the whole. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like showing it. What was your opinion on how he handled it? I thought he handled it well. To be honest with you, I got at one point a bit triggered during the finale because, listen, I saw both sides. I could understand where Latia was coming from, but I also, you know, thought she could have went about it a bit differently.

How so? I think that she just really dug into him deeper than she needed to. and to me I said I was you know he was apologizing and I'm like yeah he made mistakes but like I think you're just kicking someone when they're down again my perspective because I had felt that you know somebody did that to me you know on my AFR and I wasn't you know a fan of that I'm like listen I I'm wrong and I'm sorry or I you know I upset you but I I I just felt like she took it a bit too far but then again like she did what she thought was best and I don't like hold I'm not holding it against her I just I of course I related to him

because like i sat there and was like they brought me here because he did something similar to me so naturally like i was like i get where he's at and i think he you know said like hey i'm sorry and handled it and didn't try to like you know over explain himself and i'm like you know you that's the best you can do um but i understand where she's coming from too you know it's just it's like i don't nothing she did was wrong i just um i i kind of felt similar to him like i i was like wow i'm sitting in their audience but i was like i almost feel like i'm in like back on the hot seat watching like me from three years ago, you know. And so it was just a weird moment. But I feel like in that situation, what we got to see with you a little bit more that we didn't

get the chance to see in Grant and Latia's conversation. This could have just been due to timing. I mean, it's so short is I was waiting for them to address the why with Grant and Latia. Like, why did you do this? Why did you say this? And I feel like, again, it very well, could have just been like it's a short conversation and you don't get there and that's a bigger deeper conversation but I do feel like we got more of that with you like you were always keen to say like I did this and like expand on like this is why I thought that was a good idea at the time yeah I mean again like it's that's why unless you're grand or Latia like you don't really know what was all said so it's like this they he says this she says this and the middle's the

reality and the truth. But again, like the truth is also dependent upon like it's skewed by perspective. And so, you know, we can only judge based off what, you know, what we hear and see in that moment. So ultimately, I'm like, you know, I don't, I don't see one of them as right or one is one of them as wrong. It just, yeah, it's like we don't know, like there could be one bit of context that if added would completely sway my opinion, you know, like I say that I associated or, you know, associated more with grant, but like had an additional piece of information but put out there where it's like here's he is on camera saying this exact thing that you know it's like oh okay well now I'm over on team Latia right like I don't I it could

switch that quickly um yeah you get anxiety going to the finale you have to have a little bit just like a bodily response being back in that room at that time with a finale I don't know I feel like whenever I watch like certain episodes of the show I feel a type of way like whenever I watch hometowns every season. I feel like a little type of way. Yeah, I actually, Susie was at the finale sitting right in front of me. And I like, between the breaks, I leaned forward. And I was like, yeah, this is bringing up some old feelings. I was like, this isn't really fun anymore. And it got to the point where it was so tense at the finale that I was just like, yeah, I'm starting to feel triggered a bit. And like, not enough where I was like, I need to walk out of here.

But I was just like, ugh, like I got this pit in my stomach where I'm like, I don't like, like seeing, you know, basically it's like pick a side. And I'm like, no, you know, both people did some things right and did some things wrong and probably, you know, they could share the blame. But unfortunately, you know, it's, it makes sense from a show perspective to like how people choose sides because that fosters conversation. It's like we don't want it to be like, oh, everyone's, you know, equally at blame and that's it. No, like they want, you know, people to be, you know, things to be sparked. And so like that's what's happening right now. I mean, we're looking at the post show, you know, I've seen like clips and stuff of they're asking now what Grant

thinks about Latia's response and vice versa. And it's like, here comes like the, you know, really them hammering down. And I'm like, okay, you can choose to like stand firm on your side. This is what keeps people talking. And that's ultimately what, you know, the show wants. And I get it. So it's like hard because you're just like, I want us all to be friends, but I don't think that can happen. What was it like seeing Susie? her and I have like seen each other so many times since the show and have had conversations on the phone like it wasn't like I hadn't seen her in three years I saw her I think six months prior to that point we did a podcast together you know to me like she's an old friend you know she's still a friend

but I ultimately know that like you know we we tried to make it work and then ultimately it's just like hey this we're not compatible so now I mean she's one of the few people that knows more than most people know because I told her everything. She lived it with me. So there's a lot of things that are unsaid where I can just spark up a conversation with her and she gets it. So it's always great to see her. It's like a friend that you're like, oh, hey, like you get it. So I'm always happy to see her. But there's, you know, there's no like chance of that ever rekindling. At least I don't think so. It would be a surprise. I will say though. And you said like it reminded you of like your situation of kind of being like kicked when you're down but i think from like latia's point of view

she's probably looking at grant like you kind of have everything right now like you're in a happy relationship you're engaged you might yeah you might be getting a little bit of backlash but like i i was planning on like i wanted to marry you and potentially have kids with you and you led me on this whole way so yeah i'm going to kick you even if you are down and i think your situation is a little different because like you you got a lot of hate like you got like way too much hate yeah and you got a lot of it where i don't really i don't think grant really did like he there's definitely some people that are like pro latia but i just don't think the it's it's the same as in your case like you you like the internet i you know and i don't want to like bring up

old feelings or anything but i feel like the internet like they kind of like went after you like from the fucking jump yeah yeah I mean they did they and unfortunately you know it was like get we're looking for a reason to hate this guy um you know and it went all the way back to you know I was chosen over six men of color and that was already tense you know people were already like why did you choose this guy over that over them and I thought the same thing I'm like they're all deserving I ultimately I accepted the role though but it was I was already at a deficit you know at that point that was a you know thing that I'd saw online quite a bit and then once I actually gave them something to dislike it was like there it is we knew this guy was a piece of shit

and so they basically just leveled into me and it was like let's cancel this guy i mean that's seriously like it was just like at any people were just looking to have an excuse and i mean the messages that i got the hate messages to kill yourself comments i mean i got them by the thousands and it was you know it was just a lot but um you know to go to go back to yeah i mean again you have to understand i didn't watch the season so like i didn't see the context um so like letia i'm not saying she i just i think going off of one episode live, I felt the feeling of being in the hot seat like Grant was and really related to that and was like, okay, I get it. Like he said some stuff and he apparently said these things

that are off camera that weren't shared. Um, you know, and like he's happy with somebody right now, but like instead it's like you're almost sowing seeds of doubt into the mind of the person that he's with, which like I don't like that. It's like he's found somebody. But to your point, it's like, you know, he's basically on top of the world and has his person and she's left in second place with nothing, right? Like, and so it's like, could she, you know, she's like, hey, you got everything and ultimately got to do what you did and still come out victorious. And I basically get kicked to the curb. I'm sure, I mean, again, that's probably what it feels like. So, you know, is it justified? I mean, could be. Yeah. Again, I don't like, I, I just can only go off of like that

one, you know, uh, episode. So I certainly don't like, I don't want people to think that I'm like, oh, it was wrong. I just am saying I related to like how he felt. in that moment and I was like okay like I get it but like he's happy now like I don't think you need to keep sewing these seeds of doubt and Juliana's mind because now what happens when she's like wait she wasn't aware of this now she might end up breaking up with the guy and he's already struggling I knew I mean he was struggling with a lot of the criticism online so I was like this guy like don't I don't want to see him go to a place that I like that I went to you know so it was more out of like me I was more like in a protective state I'm like I get that stop like don't keep

trying to bury him this guy's clearly strong I mean, I can see his post online. He struggles with the criticism. And rightfully so. I mean, like, I get it just the same way I did. But I'm like, I can tell he's really hurting. I'm like, just like, don't do this to him. Because if you tear him down and then like God forbid, you get, you know, Juliana to like leave him. He's going to be in a really bad place. And I'm like, I don't want to see that. So like just he's learned like, can we just move on? Like that's kind of where it was at. I was like, I didn't like that I felt like she was shoving him down deeper into a place where it's like you're going to put him into a bad valley. But again, like, nobody really

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People are going to listen to this podcast. You'd be like, they're going to pull one thing you said to be like, we still hate you. Don't say that. Oh, my gosh. They're going to pull that first section of me saying I didn't agree with the Tia was better. We're going to be like, how dare he? I already know what's going to call. Typical Clayton. They're not going to listen to the back half of this conversation. I guarantee you they'll take that clip and it'll find its way on Reddit because that's the place where like, I'm like, that's where they'll go.

And so I'm like, go, go for it. They will clip that one part and be like, see, he hasn't learned. I don't give a shit. But like they will, 1,000%. I mean, again, every time I hop on a camera, it's like they're just going to clip whatever they want to get someone rile. up. I hate that. But with that being said, would you ever consider going on Paradise within, like something again within the franchise or any other dating shows? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, absolutely. You know, I got to a place where I'm just like, hey, I don't want to live a normal life. And I haven't

really at this point so far. So I was like, I want to just look back at the end of it all. You know, it's like when people lay on their deathbeds, it's like, what are their biggest regrets? They're like, I wish I had to take more risk and I wish I would have to care less what people thought. So I'm like, okay, like that's a great life lesson. If that's what's being said by the majority of people, I never want to get to that place and be one of them. So I'm going to do everything that I can so that when I lay on my deathbed, neither of those things come out of my mouth. And I feel like I've gotten to a place where I don't care about strangers criticism anymore. So I'm like, okay, cool, you have that.

And now live a life with no regrets. you know I and so that way you're not going to be like I wish I'd have did more I'm like no I'm going to do more so I don't have to you know look back and be one of those people so yeah I would do it I mean um yeah well so we might see you on another dating show in the future maybe paradise it's possible man anything is possible I always have some surprises of my sleeve I I do like and I know it it's like live life with no regrets is like kind of a cliche but like also like I try truly believe that is how you should live life. And I also don't, I think like people say like I live with no regrets, but most people like don't do it. Or if they do it, it's, it's, you know, they maybe do it to like a, you know, a 30% max where like if you really live with no regrets, that's the way to live. Is that what's inspired like, for example, you're dancing? Like was that the mentality shift that kind of inspired you to start trying new things? Yeah, I got to a place where I said if you stop caring about people's opinions, what would you do? And I was like, well, dancing. I've always

wanted to dance. I think, you know, like I love women that can dance. I think it's so attractive. And it's a very vulnerable place to be, you know, to put your, you know, body out there and move your body. Like it's one of the most vulnerable things you can do in my opinion. So for me, it was like a challenge. I thought, hey, like, I'll do this. And then I was shocked at what it did to my confidence and my overall self-love. I mean, dance has changed my life. I mean, dance has changed my life. like legitimately changed my life i i've i've found a newer sense of style a greater appreciation for the creative arts i found a community within that they're open minded dancers are like super open minded and super positive they're just like happy that you're doing their passion you know and

like i got dancers that are like 10 times a million times better than me and they are the biggest height men and women because they're just so happy that someone else is partaking in their favorite you know passion and so um there's so much love and just connection and support that I'm like these are the kind of people that you know fill my cup and you know that's why I go there four times a week now I I love being a part of it my dance instructor is super awesome she's you know by my therapist at times like sometimes we'll just be dancing and half the time I'll be talking I won't even dance because it's like movement therapy and so it really was a form of therapy so yeah like that certainly was you know dancing for me was like

what's something that I can do that is really hard but that like I can you know challenge myself to do just to like just to see if I can do it and dance became that avenue and then you know I started getting really great feedback online from people and again I get a lot of blowback still I mean I'm not you know I don't think I'm the best dancer I'm very aware I think people like does he think he's good I'm like I know how good of a dancer I am like I'm not I can see you know the best dancers out there and then I can see my videos and I'm not like oh you know we're like we're close you know like it's not no like it's like these people that have dedicated their lives to it they're way better I'm a stiff dancer

I also see I get more shares than likes. I'm like, I know why you're sharing it. You're sending to your friends to make fun of me. That's fine. But like I also look at it as if like, well, hopefully one day you all will see when three years from now I'm still dancing, and I'll be good, you know, because I'm like at some point I'm going to get there where it's like,

oh, he's good. And then they're going to be like, damn, I've just made fun of this guy for the last four years and haven't, you know, progressed in life and he's over here actually good, you know, really good now.

Maybe I should stop caring about what people think. Because maybe like if I just kept doing things without worrying about people's opinions, I could see similar success. So I'm like that's not why I'm dancing fully, but I also, that's why I'm documenting a lot of it because I want people to see like, hey, every amateur expert was once an amateur. You got to start somewhere. And if you just block out the noise eventually, you know, you can get to where you want to go. And I want people to just to not be fearful and like, oh, he did it so I can do it. So I'm like, oh, you can see all my videos like from the very beginning. I'm not taking them down, you know, from the first dance video I did.

And it's like, look at the progression. Like, and it took time. You know, for me, people like, as far as you've gotten in two years, I'm like, great, that's good if that's what you think. Because maybe it'll take me five years. But the point is, is if you see me five years later and I'm actually decent, it's like, well, hey, that should go to show you that maybe you should stop listening to random people's opinions and just go do it. And it might not, you know, change overnight, but maybe five years from now, you'll get some success. So I guess in a way, I'm like, I want, that's why I'm, you know, documenting it. I'm like, this is what social media allows me to do is like put it out there to show people like, hey, once you get over the fear of failure and the fear of, you know, judgment, you know, you can do some pretty cool things. But I also, you're motivating me right now.

Jesus Christ. I expected to start dancing. Did you struggle? Did you struggle at all putting up that first video? Because like you said it is like it's a vulnerable like, you know, I would be very like I would feel embarrassed. I would be like, can I put this on the internet? What if I put it in? I know people are going to talk shit.

Like, was that a struggle? Oh, yeah. Oh, I remember I hit the first like, right before I posted, I got like this like, like, like, you know, I got like feeling where I was like, oh, my stomach dropped. And I was like, I don't know if I should post this, you know, but, um, but really in that moment, I was so proud and like happy with the video. I mean, I look back at it now and all I was doing like this little like two step. It was so simple.

But in the moment, I was so overjoyed by the fact that like I thought, I was like, I look good. But I'm on beat. I got rhythm, you know? And so I just like, ah, like that excitement trumped that fear for just a split second. Then I posted it. And actually the first video, I think, was met with like a fair amount of support. Much more support than like my videos after that got it. At first people were like, oh, this is cool.

And then they were like, all right, man, like learn to give it up. You're not, you got two left feet. So like, it was the first video had support. But then it was like, all right, you know, like, dude, figure it out. You're not good. So it was, I mean, I think it would have been interesting. If I had got like negative blowback at first, what would that have done? Yeah, I mean, somebody that I heard was, you know, started dancing and apparently

stopped because of the criticism as a pilot beat. I guess he was dancing on TikTok and people were apparently tearing into him. And I guess I don't know if that's why he stopped, but I mean, apparently people were ruthless on his TikTok. And I'm like, it's hard. Like, it's hard to like, because you're like, why am I subjecting myself to this? So, you know, yeah, if I had negative reception off the first video, I don't know.

I would like to think I would have still pushed through, but, you know, you never know. I also think it's like, I just think that it's a reflection on like a societal mentality of like you shouldn't be doing things that you're not great at just because you like them. Like if you're not great at something or you're not in six months great at dancing, like why are you still doing this? And I think that's a reflection of like honestly just like the culture right now and just like people's mentality of them. of like, well, I would never do that because like, I'm not amazing at it. And I think the reason you're getting so much like positive feedback from dancers is the dance community has like an understanding that like dance is never going to be perfect and it's not about perfection and it is about process.

And there is such a positive mentality around like the work that goes into it versus, I mean, unless you're, you know, like a prima ballerina, like the final product. And even the final product, you're never going to like find perfection. but you can find, like, joy and happiness and movement and it can all be so therapeutic. I personally love, and I think you can be like this too at times, adults specifically that will try things and not be embarrassed to not be great at them. Like, I feel like that's so hard. Like, I struggle to do things knowing I'm not going to be great at them just to enjoy

them or to learn to get better at something. Well, I've accepted the fact that everything that I try that's new. I'm terrible at. Like I'm beyond bad. But you're comfortable being like I'm not like when like swimming for example. Like when we got together, you're not the strongest swimmer. But you're like I'm down to like be kind of bad at this for a while to eventually get good at it. And I actually just like enjoy swimming.

And the more I get better, the more I enjoy it. Well, that's also why I enjoyed being on dancing with the stars. And I got a ton of hate, which I'd even realize because I was just like, people love me. I was just like I'm the most popular man of the world though but I got a ton of hate because I was so bad at dancing but I was like well no shit I'm fucking bad like are you kidding me I'm from Melrose Park I've never danced a day in my life I'm going up against real dancers suck my dick like I know I'm bad um but like yeah I mean that's kind of

but that's always been my mentality is like I'm usually going to go into this and I'm not going to be good but if I truly enjoy doing it um which I can be better at like sticking with things because I will like eventually be like right I'm done doing that like I'm just not like I'm really trying to stick with golf because I'm really bad at it but like I'm slowly getting better but it's probably going to take me like another couple years to even like be shooting close to the 80s but yeah that's a hard that's a hard sport man I just went I played top golf over the weekend and like my first 10 swings driving them straight and like and then after that I started to loosen up and then everything started going left and right

I was like this is such an agitating sport but yeah I mean you guys are right there's a cold that it's like when kids do it it's endearing and even if they suck at dancing or whatever by you know societal standards it's like oh he's seven like what do you expect but then all of a sudden when you're 30 they're like oh go go back to work what are you doing and again like I'm grateful that other people what convinced me to dance was I was actually taking an online dance class in COVID and I got after like the first week they started doing the arm wave and stuff and I'm like I can't do this and I got agitated so I quit but I what got me to even by the course was there was a testimonial of this 50 year old man that was like documented his

journey in his first day of dancing and he looked like a first day dancer but then after a year and a half of doing it every day he had his video within this like two minute video where it's like here I am now and he was good and I was like this guy's 50 and that's incredible like and then I was like you're it's never too late to start something so on day one it looked cringy sure you know but by day you know like 400 it was like whoa dude you got some serious moves and so So I was like, again, it's like the society looks at it like, oh, yeah, like at some point there's an expiration date on when it's okay to try something new. And I'm like, that's the problem with society is like people get to a place where they're

just like if you at once at some point you need to figure it out in life. You know, it's like you're 30 years old. You should know what you want to do with your life. And it's like, no, that's that's what most people tell you. Like there's this like societal standard of go to college, get a job and then work that job until you basically retire. That was the environment I grew up and it's like get your job. and then that you basically work there for 30 years and retired.

It's like that's one way to do life. Or you can like continue to keep, you know, trying new things. And then maybe you're a jack of all trades master of none, but that's actually a blessing. It's like once you start to do all these different things, you like, you start to actually become more diversified and have a better understanding of the world. So I'm like, I think it's a good thing, Joe. You're like, hey, well, maybe I don't want to stick with, you know, golf. It's like you don't have to, you know, maybe like you pick up a new hobby in six months.

And there's nothing wrong with like basically letting go of something. after three to six months. Maybe that's what you're just meant to do is like, I'm going to give this a shot, you know, and maybe I only need to know the basics for this. There's nothing wrong with that. I think it's a matter of like, do you stop something because of the criticism, then it's a problem. But if you're just stopping it because you're like, I'm losing interest in this, and so be it. Like, I'm doing voice classes right now just because I saw something online and said, anybody can sing. And I was like, anybody can sing? Like, you're telling me I can sound like, you know, the next country artist. All right, I'll try it. And it's not really coming together.

Well, how long has it been? I've been doing it once a week for the last, like, month and a half. So it's not, yeah, so I haven't been doing it for long, but I think I'm like, okay, maybe everybody can hold a tune, but not everyone's going to sound, you know, like Chris Daibleton. So I think like, now I'm real. I was like, okay, cool. But like, until I tried it, I was like, I would hate to find out seven years from now that all a sudden I had this voice of an angel and I didn't like, you know, pursue it.

I love singing. So I sing all the time in my house, you know. And so I'm like, sure, I'm going to give it a shot. But I'm almost at the point where I'm like, I may let it go here soon because I was like, yeah, I don't, I just don't have that, right? Like, I sound okay, but I'm not meant to be a singer and whatever. But at least I tried it. So now I know.

My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other,

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lessons and like you said maybe hold the tune but like i know it's not gonna sound good like like even with like like people like i think they like to hear themselves singing the shower because i feel like you sound the best in the shower but even in the shower i'm like this is horrible but like but but i you know but i still maybe yeah yeah i mean yeah the shower is a big tricker because I think that's what else been like I was like a couple times in shower I was like you know there might be something you're like I sound amazing I think I think your America's best best kept secret right now like this beyond the shower walls yeah what what what what what how is your you have a podcast you want to tell us about that yeah yeah um it's uh it's uh called beyond the cover

and and um you know it's it's meant to have you know be there for people to share their stories of overcoming adversity. So at first it started off with me when I interviewed, just interview men because I was like, hey, you know, I'm a man, so I want to speak with other men so that we can like get this out there because not enough men are talking, you know, speaking up. Actually then started having trouble trying to find men open up. Most men naturally don't want to because they're fearful like they'll be seen as less than. And so I then was like, yeah, but I also don't want this to be inclusive. And so I started, you know, bringing in women to have discussions and had awesome conversations and helped me learn more things. And I was like,

okay, cool. So I, you know, and then it went from like being people that have influenced to like, I just want to bring on people that anybody, you know, anyone that's got a compelling story. So, you know, I enjoy it. I don't think again, like I was like, I don't think I'm meant to be a podcast or long term. I mean, if I am, then like it'll just manifest. But, you know, I'm like, I'm going to do this until like, until I don't, you know. So it's cool. And I enjoy it because I like talking to people and learning about them and just get to throw a camera in front of me while I do it. And hopefully it impacts other people, which I've gotten DM saying it has. So that's cool.

Are you still like in the Airbnb space? I know you were doing that for a little bit real estate and all that. Yeah, yeah. My Airbnb is a top 1% in Scottsdale kills it. Wow. Congrats. It's amazing. And also like I think Scottsdale's going to keep growing because you see that that company, Taiwan, semiconductor, is like bringing like $200 billion in the same.

state of Arizona. Apple, I think, made a big investment in them. And so, yeah, they're talking about the next Silicon Valley. It's up in North Phoenix. But no, it's not going to slow down at all. Like the growth of Scottsdale, the people that, you know, live here like, hey, it's just beginning. It's not even at its peak. So real estate-wise, it's great. You know, it's expensive now. But, yeah, like the Airbnb kills it. I mean, it's really grateful for that. It's a good revenue stream. And then I do, you know, I'm a real estate advisor and I also do solar panel sales, which this is a very sunny state so it's pretty easy to sell solar panels and yeah like I've my life has been the most normal it's been in three years I mean this is the most irrelevant that I've been but like I don't

say that in a bad way it's just like I've been off the grid you know no one's really I've gotten back to a sense of normalcy and I'm like okay cool like you know I know feel good uh yeah yeah I mean it does I think you know there's always that itch to be like wow you know I'd love to like you know test the waters again like and put my this version of me out there and see what happens. You know, so again, that's why when you ask, like, would I go on another show? It's like, sure. Like I, I, because this version of me is different from the last version people saw. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, it was fun. You know, it's, it's fun to like go on these shows and meet people and be like, are we really doing this? You know, like, how many times I sat down with the guys and

be like, or even the girls on my, you know, on The Bachelor and was like, this is real life. You know, like, you know, like taking a helicopter, landing it on a yacht, they're jumping off the outer, being in Iceland and dune bugging on the black sand beaches are going into an inactive volcano. I was like, I never traveled in my life. Now I'm doing all these things. And you know, it's nice when it's free too. You're like, I'm not paying for this. So I can eat all the crab legs I want and do all these exquisite, you know, extravagant things. Yeah, I mean, it's fun. And so it's just, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's, I enjoy living a normal life now. But, um, but, um, but, you know, I wouldn't mind, you know, popping back up and doing some

crazy stuff. Do you ever have girls hit on you through Airbnb? Because you're open about like, hey, this is my property. Yeah, actually. So like 85% of people that book my Airbnb don't know who I am. Good, because then it's like, it means my Airbnb is sufficient, you know, separate from me being the, you know, the bachelor. But never like hit on. No, I, I, I just people being like, hey, can you come take a picture or a couple times

I've had people be like, hey, this, this is broken or we can't find this. And I find it feels like they're just trying to get me to show up. And I'm like, oh, it's over there. They're like, oh, great. All this. And so, like, I'll go over there, though. It's fun, like to talk to people and just get to know them. But by the end of it, people are like, you're just a normal dude.

So, no, most times, like, I don't, I'm not like fresh off the show. I think when I was fresh off, people are almost starstruck. You know, you're the shiny object. Now it's just like, it's just Clayton, you know. So now I don't really get like the, like, people are pretty respectful. They might be like, oh, hey, I watch your season. Like, I might, I get those messages off through Airbnb a bunch. I'm assuming because we've been chatting about you potentially going back on reality TV or doing a dating show that you're single, but how has dating life been?

Great. It's been a lot of fun because, again, like this version of me is like attracting, you know, the type of woman that I have always wanted to like be attracted to me. So I feel like I'm retracting very open-minded and art, you know, very creative women. and like I'm just having a blast like it's uh I really like enjoy it um yeah I mean I've I've been happy I'm having like a fake baby right like did it that that was that was insane congrats on it won that court case correct yeah but she's still trying to know she continues to try to appeal uh no yeah like you can go she's trying to take it to the Arizona Supreme port now and then if that doesn't work they're going to take it to the United States Supreme Court it's like hey take at this point you're like you could have had she could have

two babies in the amount of time that this has been going on you just can't admit fault so um you know it's agitating because i'm like i my lawyers i'm like guys like i don't want them to keep working on i'm like i'm like i want us to move on right like anybody in the right but it's like yeah that's like we keep spending money and keep doing this and spending time and i'm like i don't want to like i'm like i just want this to be done with but you know i'm dealing with somebody that doesn't think normally and so um they're going to exhaust all options so um you know that affected me for a bit where I obviously was like very nervous nervous to like interact because I was like what happens if I go on a day with another girl and that and like she decides to go crazy on me because

you know this girl wasn't crazy until she was like she was so normal until she wasn't until she snapped so you know that affected me at one point but you know now I'm just like if I catch another crazy one then so be it like it's also like what are the odds knock on wood that this happens to you twice you know like maybe this was your one and if this happens to you again and then I mean at some point you start to wonder you're like you're like you're you're attracting something yeah I'm like it's I'm like Clayton you got some bad karma you know and I at this point I'm like I think I burnt most of it off but but who knows I mean if it comes back again I'm just like yeah you might need to look in the mirror a couple more times and really

really figure out what's going on here well I think I think you'll be able to figure it out either way I'm very happy for you for real like you seem to be in a great place and this was of really, I really enjoyed this conversation. I feel like I'm actually taking something away from this. So, yeah, thank you so much for taking the time and hopping on Bachelor Happy Hour. Yeah, thanks guys for having me. This was awesome. I really appreciate both you.

Of course. And to our listeners, thank you for listening to Bachelor Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe. We have more exclusive interviews coming your way every single week. And thank you for listening. Bye. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

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