Bachelor Happy Hour - Cranking Up the Love

Episode Date: August 6, 2024

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re recapping last night’s episode of “The Bachelorette”! With some of Jenn’s connections getting deeper, Joe and Serena are giving us their thoughts on her front-runners. We get into the dates, including the majorly mismatched energy between Sam M. and Jenn this week. Plus, we get a little insight into what Joe and Serena want to know from Devin, who will be on “Happy Hour” later this week! Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm feeling good. I feel like the drama was really dialed down this episode, which I've actually been really enjoying the male hotheads of the season. But it's been nice to focus a little bit more on the love story. as well yeah i feel like you always get that episode middle of the pack where it's a little more chill but what i realized at the end of this episode is there's not many guys left like we're at that point now yeah i was watching it being like i feel like we're actually getting really close to hometowns yeah yeah we have to be and one of the guys in my opinion who i think has probably the one of the better connections with jen if i would say maybe definitely top three is devon and i'm

excited to talk to him because we are going to have Devin on later this week. So make sure you check out that interview. Yeah, we have so much to talk about with Devin. I feel like he's been involved in almost all of the drama this season with multiple different guys from Aaron to Sam M to him defending Sam N. And even in this last episode, we saw he's still kind of rubbing the guys the wrong way. I mean, I watch, I like Devin. Like, why not just because he's coming on this podcast.

I think I've kind of been pro Devin. you have been this whole time we've been recapping this season i i don't know what the temperature is on him with the fans i i people definitely didn't like him after the ice cream i feel like it switches every week like some weeks people are like you cannot make me like devon like if he has zero haters i'm dead but i also feel like there's some episodes where people like okay like i liked him in this episode like after his one-on-one date i think a lot of people switched their tune but we shall see we shall see i i think we've always agreed like he's a bit of a controversial controversial character either you love devon or you hate devon yeah yeah i agree with

that um okay let's get into it so we start at uh episode starts at the cocktail party um not not too much drama uh we see um all the guys are are pretty pissed. Actually, I shouldn't say not too much drama. There is a little drama because Jen's ex-boyfriend, Matt, is there, and we see all the guys are pretty upset about it. And you

said you would be upset as well. I would be upset. Yeah, if I'm being totally honest. I want to say that I would be calm, cool, collected. I actually probably would be calm, cool, collected on the outside, but internally, I would have a lot of

thoughts and opinions. about what was going on. And if she makes one decision, what am I going to do? If she makes another decision, what am I going to do? I mean, you heard a lot of guys. And Devin was one of them like, if he stays, if she keeps him, I'm out of here. Yeah. So, I mean, and I don't know.

Maybe it's just because I'm watching from home. I personally don't think it would really bother me. I could feel differently in, in this bubble, in this scenario. But, yeah, I don't, I don't, I would be like, okay, like, fine. Yeah. Like, this doesn't really affect, this isn't really going to affect my relationship with Jen. And if anything, if my relationship is stronger, it's probably going to progress a little quicker because now there's, you know, some real competition. Or is that stupid?

No, no, it's not stupid at all. I just don't know if I agree and I'm really trying to put myself in that situation of what it would feel like because we did have someone come in. We had Heather Martin come in to our season. I want to say it was like week six or seven. She had met our lead, which was Matt before, but like they hadn't had any history. But I think it's also hard because it was later in the season. And I'm just trying to remember how I felt in that moment. But if I was in this situation, I think if she was like, I'm going to bring him into this journey. To me, I'm like, I'm having a lot of mixed feelings about that if I'm the contestants because I'm just wondering why there's a need to revisit a relationship with someone that is a ex-boyfriend. Like, you have a lot of history with this person. You know this person. Like, everyone is kind of on the same playing field when you go on the show.

You're all getting to know the lead from zero. Like you're meeting them for the first time. So then to throw someone in the mix that has years of history with her, like knows her, knows her family, knows her friends. I would just be like, this doesn't feel like a fair dynamic. And I would just think, like, you know enough about this person that if you're thinking maybe I want to get engaged to them, like, you should maybe just go and explore with them. Or you should leave that in the past because it's like if you're thinking like I might want to be with this. person, how do you balance or compare and contrast their relationship with you to my relationship with you, having known you for four weeks? Like mentally it would be really hard for me to wrap my head

around as a contestant if like an ex-boyfriend joined the show. And I think, I think I said this when we're watching it, I think what I would do. And like, again, like who knows if I was in the situation what I would actually do. But I feel like I would be like, okay, noted. Like, noted you just brought your ex-boyfriend onto this show. And I'd probably give it a week or two. And if that dude was still around and that relationship was really progressing,

I'd really have to analyze if I was going to stick it out or not. You've given this more thought than I thought. Yeah, because I think it's a really complicated dynamic in this environment to introduce like someone from your past. I think it's every

I think it's the plot of every good rom-com. And the truth is, you're chairing for the ex boyfriend. Exactly. That too. Yeah. Like you're which is also like as a viewer I want As a viewer I'm like okay like

I don't believe that this was like you know something that these two planned like come back on the show. I truly just think like he was probably scared to tell Jen how he actually felt or didn't realize until she was gone

and then decided like this is my last chance or I'm going to lose forever so I'm going to fly to New Zealand I'm going to go on the Bachelorette and I'm going to win her back and I'm like okay all right this is a rom-com and I want to watch now and then all the guys are kind of like dicky to him

which I didn't really like because I don't really blame the guy like you can't like if if it was like if the relationship was shut down before Jen went on as the lead then stay home

but if you they were potentially going to a wedding in Columbia together they they had a pass they were still kind of talking but they weren't dating but like then he realizes fuck I love this girl and I'm gonna lose her forever I don't know I think good I'm I like Matt no I like Matt no you don't no I don't like Matt I do I'm just trying to put myself in the position of the guys and give them a little bit of sympathy here for being so frustrated but I like Matt like

he seemed like a really nice guy. Yeah but okay but if you're a contestant and you have a really strong connection with Jen it would only solidify it would solidify that it's even stronger if you compete with an X and you and you are the one

yeah because then you don't have to worry like why did you need him here I don't know let me put it no like I agree with you like I liked Matt I think he was a really I actually felt like really sad that Jen sent him home as much as I thought it was the right decision. I thought what he did was really brave and romantic. But let me let me put it in one more scenario. Okay. You and I start dating in the real world. Like we meet organically. We meet at a bar,

whatever. You and I start talking. We start dating. We've been on like five dates, let's say, to where it's like starting to get a little serious. Like we're starting to really like each other. And then I tell you, hey, my ex called me this weekend. We're going to start dating again too. You and I are an exclusive. I just wanted to let you know I'm going to explore that and explore you and just like see where things go. How do you feel? I would say that's totally fine because now I'm going to explore, I'm going to explore three girls. See, you don't like it.

You don't like it. I didn't think this was this is where this relationship was going. But if you want to be open to explore at this point after five dates, then you explore and I'm going to explore and I'm going to explore more than you explore. This is, I think, yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right, movie God. Movie God. I'm Jamel Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly?

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Our new super secret bestie is The Deva of the People. The Deva of the People. I'm just like Text Your Ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. That's us.

My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreak, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Marco Tura podcast network available on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. She sends Matthew home. What did you think of Matthew going in and addressing the guys and basically just letting them know what went down and how they responded? I didn't like the way the guys responded because I thought they responded a little Dickie. Like he's already going.

She sent him home. Yeah. And it's like, you know what? Like, you may not agree with him coming back, but it's like you could just be nice at this point. Like, why, like, why be standoffish or mean? Like, he's not even staying. Like, he's going. I could see it more if he was like staying and they're like, well, fuck this guy.

But even then, I think it's ridiculous. But yeah, to me, I think they could have just been a little kinder. Like, just put yourself in that scenario. Even if you wouldn't do it, like, you don't know. If you felt really strongly, you could do something like that as well. And you wouldn't want to be treated like shit. Yeah, I totally agree. If I was Matt, I'd be like, I'm definitely not going to go address the guys.

Like, I don't know these dudes. Like, Jen can let them know or Jesse Palmer, literally anyone else could let them know that I'm not saying. It, like, doesn't have to come from me. Like, please just get my ass on a flight home. This was brutal enough as it is. But I thought he did a good job addressing them. I thought he was very polite and respectful in, like, how he went about it. and yeah at that point the guy should just feel like you guys didn't want him here you should feel

relieved like she's sending him home which is what like most of you wanted to begin with i didn't think there was any need to be like yeah damn straight buddy like no shit she sent you home like i feel like that was the energy they were kind of giving it was like guys like he already flew his ass to new zealand and he's about to jump on a long ass flight home single which is not what he wanted like let's have a little compassion for the dude here like he's not staying i don't think you need to be compassionate i just think you could just be a little nicer And then we have two guys that go home. Thomas N. goes home, which he was a pretty big, he was a pretty big character on this season.

Yeah. He didn't really seem to have a connection with Jen, but he was involved in a lot of drama. But that's kind of what happens when you involve yourself with the man drama and not the woman. Yeah, I felt like that was coming soon because we saw a decent amount of his time with Jen in the beginning of the season. And we saw him a lot throughout the season, but we stopped really seeing his conversation. with Jen. So I was like, I feel like the connection is probably just not there. John M. goes home, which he seemed, he seemed really, I actually really liked him. Yeah, he seems so nice. And yeah, that's it. So then we move on to, bum, bum, boom, boom, bum, bum, bum.

We move on to Jonathan gets a date, which Jonathan seems to be like another one of potentially Jen's frontrunners. He's not involved in any drama, good looking guy, kind of like he's well. spoken. It's kind of hard not to like him. So he gets a helicopter date and then they go to a vineyard, which that seems like a lot of fun. Yeah. Actually, that would be my date of choice if I was on this show. 100%. I feel like I haven't

had a lot of one-on-one dates this season totally stick out to me. But then when they landed in the vineyard, it was so beautiful. They were so cute. They looked like they had so much fine. Like I would absolutely want that. date. Jonathan's, I feel like Jonathan's big thing going into the one-on-one with Jen was, I need to see if we could connect on a deeper level.

He's expressed about having issues with that in the past. I think that's something that she also has issues with, so it's if they can connect. Yeah. And I feel like that was nice to see him point that out because I think it just comes from a place of maturity and shows that he is interested in her, but is also taking this process seriously. of knowing there's an engagement at the end of this, and there needs to be certain levels of the relationship to make it work. So you can tell he's like, I like to see that he's thinking about these things

and like, okay, we have this, but I want to know if we can have this and is staying really curious about, like, moving the relationship forward. What did you think when he opened up at the night portion of the date he opened up about his past relationship? How did you feel about that? About him talking about his ex. Yeah, his ex who, his ex who, They were together for two years.

They lived together and then she accused him of being verbally abusive. I think there was words like controlling and manipulative used. He hinted at the fact that there was substance abuse potentially on her end, which I think might have impacted some of the words being used to describe Jonathan. And I guess one of their fights just ended in her saying, get out and we're done. Honestly, it just sounds kind of like your standard toxic relationship. I feel like the overall theme with all these guys on this show is I was in an unhealthy relationship prior to coming on The Bachelorette. It seems like almost every guy has that story.

And then Jen also has that story. So I guess it's something they can't relate to with each other. But, oh, he uses the word ferocious love. Someone define it for me. My definition of ferocious love. So here's Joe's definition of ferocious love. Ferocious love is the kind of love where we can't keep our hands off each other. And every time I walk in the house, we make out like animals and we rip each other's clothes off.

And we just, we're just so in love. I think you're describing something different, Joe. Well, that's the word ferocious. Like, what else does ferocious mean? No, I get it. It's like a passionate, passionate love. No, it's beyond passionate. It's ferocious.

Right. You know, passionate would be. Animalistic. Yeah, it's more animalistic. Yeah. So that's what I think it means. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that.

You're welcome. I know you're going to freak out, but the truth is this is in chronological order what I'm about to say. Grant gets the one-on-one because they announced the group date, but we don't go directly to grants one-on-one. We go back to the group date. There's a group date where all these guys got to hurt some. sheep um the people that live on this farm they come out um and yeah it seems like actually it seemed like a fun day it seemed like a really fun day i did a farm date on my season and um i really liked it's fun you're outdoors lots of different activities that was really funny they didn't open

the gate the sheep herders were like yeah i was really disappointed because they just wouldn't open the gate they were they were i actually so it's always hit or miss when you bring on like people that own a property or something onto the show how their personalities are going to come across. Yeah. Mainly, I'm assuming it's usually just nerves, but I really enjoyed these two. I want to actually see more of them. Yeah, they were great. They were great.

They were great. I liked them. And I liked this date activity overall. These dates have been good. I've enjoyed them. So Devin gets chosen at the end of the date. And the guys are kind of annoyed with Devin throughout the date, it seems like, because she's stealing a lot of time. The guys are always annoyed with Devin. I actually

at I'm looking forward to talk to Devin about this and see see if if he knew how annoyed the guys were or if he's realizing this watching it back. I think he just didn't care. Yeah, but also I don't know like even on this with him getting this like it's like all right like he got it. My thing with Devin and stealing time. Well, he didn't steal time. He was a ward at the time this time. Yeah, but they said throughout the date he was like pulling her aside and stuff like that.

Yeah. And I think the first ice cream thing and this are so different with this situation, if you're not someone that feels comfortable, like going out of her way and pulling her aside, then just be like, that's not my jam. Devin, you do you, you all do me. Like that's just not how I move in this environment. And if you're jealous that he's pulling her because you want to do it, then just go do it. Okay, but see, here's. There's only seven dudes. But here's the issue.

If all the guys start doing that, then it's just going to cause chaos. Yeah, but not all the guys are going to. Because not all of them are going to want to, I feel like. That was never my style in group days. Sure. Okay, sure. But if Devin Polzer and then Sam Polzer and then John Polzer and then Grant Polzer and you're one of the three guys left who hasn't pulled her,

if you're Jeremy, you're like, well, now I feel like I feel almost obligated. too because if I don't then she's going to think I don't like her and it's just going to cause I just think I I don't have an issue with Devin doing it every so often but if it's just the theme of him doing it every single time and kind of like whenever he wants then it's then it's like starting to really interrupt the flow of things and that could get annoying I agree with that and I think it's one thing to like pull her aside to like really do a one-on-one moment it's another thing just to make a special moment on the group date with her.

Honestly, you guys are hurt and cheap, shovel shit and shut up. That's how I feel. So now we see a lot of, which you know, as it's airing, you're kind of like, okay, why are we seeing this? But then it makes sense because he

sends himself home voluntarily. Austin is spiraling out of control that he just has had like no time and just like doesn't know Jen and she doesn't know him. So he ends up pulling Jen and this is after the group date and sending himself home. Yeah.

Good move, bad move, whatever move. How do you feel? That's a good move. At the end of the day, I liked Austin. We saw him more this episode than we've seen him the entire season, which I actually liked him. It's a bad move, though, if you want to be cast in on Bachelor in Paradise. Look, at the end of the day, though, if you're there and you're like, I can just tell. other connections are way stronger than mine this isn't going anywhere she's not that into me i don't

even know if i'm that into her if i'm going to be able to get to a point where i'm like falling in love with her at this rate i'm just gonna i'm gonna go home like yeah but wouldn't it be easier to stay in new zealand and at least at least you know i honestly like you still you're you're most likely going to leave single you came on the show because you wanted to fall in love there is another show called Bachelor in Paradise and we're all we're not oblivious to it you know you have a chance to go on that show after so you just keep your hat in the ring if you stay on the show I mean you're talking to someone who sent himself home so you're talking the wrong person yeah but you sent yourself home later on you sent yourself home before potential engagement you didn't send yourself home

you know middle of the pack when it's going to be hard for a lot of people to remember you yeah but I sent myself home once I knew I shouldn't be here anymore which I feel like is what Austin did I feel like Like, if he knows, I'm not going to end up with this girl, then he's just wasting her time and his time. But he doesn't know. He just knows that he's not as far along as everyone else. But who knows? Maybe he gets, maybe he gets an hour with her and they connect. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. You're really like, you're really like disagreeing with me this episode. Like, we're not on the same page to say with this recap. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's fun. Austin, Joe thinks you're an idiot and you should have stayed on the show.

I don't know if I think you're an idiot, but I think you should have stayed on the show. But yeah, you know, it's fun to But it rattled Jen more than I expect You're not used to be pushing back, huh? I'm just not used to us disagreeing on so many topics in one episode. Okay. But, yeah, I get your point. But I think it's, you know, it shows that he's an authentic, genuine person.

Yeah. And Jen is, is fucking. She's way more rattled than I thought she was going to be. And then it's like, am I doing a bad job? And she spirals. I was actually very surprised. I mean, as she explained herself more, I thought it made a lot of sense.

But when she was so rattled by him sending himself home, I was shocked because I was like, Jen, like, I really didn't think you were into this guy. Like, I think you definitely would have sent this guy home with the rose ceremony this week anyway. So like, what are you so upset about? But then I think it really hit a prime insecurity of hers. Which was?

Which was her feeling like she's not doing a good job as the bachelory and that she's not worthy of love and that if she shows her vulnerability, like I feel like she's trying to put her best foot forward and show this fun, confident, like sexy, playful personality that she does have. And I think she's thinking, oh my God, I'm putting, you know, my best foot forward

and this guy doesn't want me, like if I show the more difficult or the uglier parts of myself or the parts that aren't, you know, always fun, like none of these guys are going to want me. And I think that's, you know, plays into her, feeling that she's not worthy, which is obviously something that she struggles with. Yeah.

And I guess this is the second guy that sent himself home. Is it? Who else sent himself home? Aaron's brother. Oh, yeah, but I feel like that's different. Noah's brother, Aaron. We're now only going to refer to Noah's brother.

But Aaron's situation was different because it was so early on. And he left because he had another opportunity that was like his dream come true. I feel like at this point we're deeper into the show even if she doesn't see a forever future with Austin

they have some sort of relationship going where he knows her and she knows him and he's not leaving because of another opportunity he's just leaving because he's basically like I don't think you like me

and I don't like you or not I don't like you but you know what I mean if I were her I mean yeah I guess I mean I'm not in that situation I'm like yeah this is actually great this is much easier yeah more time with the guys

that want to be here this is much easier and you're an idiot because you could have maybe made it on Batcham Paradise. Who's to say he won't be on Boucher in Paradise? No, he might. I mean, he might, but he's probably not going to be original cast. Uh-huh. I never envision being with a woman.

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Like, that never entered into my mind. But, you know, as I learned, sometimes life gives you things wrapped in a package that you didn't expect it. And that was just, you know, and honestly, it took me a long time to be okay with myself. Make sure to listen to this week's episode of Spolitics on the IHeart Radio. app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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Well, this season we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special Bestie and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here! Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret bestie is The Deva of the People. The Deva of the People. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot,

go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship,

heartbreak, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Marco Tura podcast network available on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, so now we see another grant state. Do you want to talk more about Jen addressing the guys and talking about her insecurities and feeling like she might live alone? Yeah, we could. Yeah, Jen was insecure. most biggest moment of the episode, but okay. You know it is, but it's all,

it's every season where the Bachelorette, like midseason has a realization. I feel like it's like they, they start off and then they just are riding this high for a good amount of the season. And then all of a sudden they have this realization of like,

oh, now I'm in my head. Am I fucking this up? This. Should I even be the Bachelorette? are at it happens all the time i think it's just like kind of part of the show but that's how i feel about it okay but no it's time what do you think well no i just think maybe i connect with what she was saying more because she said something along the lines of you know men love a confident women a woman

they love you know they're confident girls and it's i feel like it's always preached to women like confidence is sexy like be confident and I think Jen's really trying to be confident I think she is a confident woman but I think that narrative has led her to feel really afraid of showing more vulnerable sides to herself and showing that at times she isn't confident and what that'll mean for her connections and if they won't be as interested in her when she does show those sides of herself. And I think that's an honest struggle that a lot of women will relate to. Wow. Well, well, well said. Well said. Thank you. I agree. Also, when we were watching, you did make a point because, you know, I think he's more of a controversial figure on the show,

CMM, because like he does a lot of things that could potentially rub people the wrong way. But one thing that does work in his favor is he handles the serious conversations with Jen very well. Like you said he's when they are having conversations and she's feeling insecure, he's very comforting. Yeah, I did say that because when she addressed the group a few weeks back, just saying, you know, if you're not here for the right reasons, kind of get out. It's your time to leave after Aaron left. she gave a speech to the group about just not wasting her time, basically. And I remember thinking he did a really good job responding to that messaging from her in their one-on-one chat. And then in this episode, I thought he did a really good job again of when he pulled her aside, just comforting her.

And basically saying, like, if I open up and be vulnerable, would you be scared and would you like me less? Like, I just think he, I liked his, I liked the way he handled both of those conversations. with her but it's very polarizing to what we see sometimes with him and the guys and him and his interviews. Honestly, like least I feel like CMM in his defense he is

you know, he's being himself and you're not always going to like agree with who someone, every action they take but like he's authentic. Yeah. Which I enjoy. Yeah.

I wouldn't disagree with you. He is authentic. He's authentic. And that's what you want for reality TV. Okay. And then last part of the date or last part of the episode is Grant's date. And this one, we have Real Rain, which it looks like Real Rain. This was a gorgeous date. I love the horseback riding dates. They're just so beautiful. Yeah. And it's like an activity, but you can still talk. We should go on a horseback riding date. Really? Oh, never mind.

No, I will. I would rather go to a vineyard. Okay, we could do a vineyard. Yeah, but I would ride horses with you. We could ride horses through a vineyard. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if you should do that. Why? I feel like the horses might, you know, trample some of the grapefines. Well, there's paths and stuff, no?

Yeah, but they're pretty thin. I don't know if a horse is going to fit down there. All right. Well, we can go for a nice walk through the grape vines and then we can ride horses. But, yeah, real rain on this date. super picturesque um i feel like not a lot happened during the day portion of this date i think the night portion is really where it was at yeah i would say that's also same thing with jonathan's date like the real conversations were were had at night and grant kind of he opened up about his family and his father's substance abuse and um i think he just kind of you know like he opened himself up that's it's kind of like the first one of the first big steps in

a relationship is when you start just kind of like opening up about your past and things that you just don't talk about, um, to anyone. Yeah. And there is something nice about getting a week five one-on-one date because I think when you're getting that week one and two date, a lot of people feel like, oh my gosh, you know, I got to make the most of this time. I got to open up to them. But it is still so early on. Whereas week five, you can see her connection with Jonathan and her connection with Grant are already there and they're definitely more comfortable with each other. Um, which I'm sure he was probably grateful for when he went into the story. But Grant talks about how his father was an addict for 30 plus years.

He felt lied to a lot by his dad because he didn't know that he was struggling with substance abuse for most of his life. And before he came on the show, he got fired from his job. And that led him to check into a rehab facility. And he's been sober now for two months, which I was like, wow, that's amazing. Sending lots of love and strength to his dad. on this journey with sobriety. Yeah, and we've had Grant on the podcast. If you haven't listened, check it out.

I really like him. He's a day trader, so I want to learn a little more about that. But I like Grant a lot. One thing I will say, not that I'm talking shit about Jen, because I'm not. I like Jen. I think Jen's great. But in these conversations, with the guys

I I want to see a little more conversation I see my side I see like my backstory my backstory done by my do you mean like Grant's story and then Jen story and then done yeah I know what you're saying

and I don't know if it's Jen or if it's just what we're being shown but yeah that does kind of how it feels the conversation went of like Grant tells his story and opens up. And then Jen tells her story. She kind of goes into her parents who we've learned about. And then her toxic acts, which not him saying racism is fake. Like that man is spewing some crazy shit. But talked about like what that relationship

looked like and some of the more specific things that she experienced in it, which is verbal abuse and gasoline and all of that. So both stories were like really impactful and important. But I would love to see more of the back and forth conversation of like he says something and then she asked him a question about that and then they dive a little deeper like are grant's parents still together are they not how has this dynamic with his dad impacted his relationships because she i'm sure is asking these questions because she should want to know what this means for like their relationship i guess how she can support him i guess also like you know i guess like you if you're dating in the real world

and you go on 10 dates with 10 different people you're more like you're more likely to tell you're going to tell your your story. So it's like I feel like with Jen like I've heard it a lot at this point but like the guy that she's actually talking to on the date with may not have.

Yeah. So like as a viewer like yeah you know what I'm saying. It's so funny because I remember with Joey, we felt like we never saw him talk about himself or his life or his story or his relationship with his dad or any of these things. And with Jen, I feel like they're showing it way more, which I'm actually appreciative for. Yeah. Because I don't think like the lead gets lost. Well, honestly, like, yeah, like Joey was, Joey was just like Joey was maybe one of the best leads I've ever seen on the show. He was really, really good about just being emotionally

intelligent and being able to respond effectively to people opening up being vulnerable with him. You couldn't throw that guy off for nothing. But yeah, Joey was, Joey was. I always do think about that too. If I was the lead, I think one of the things I would be the most nervous about would be having all these moments where people are opening up and telling me really big, impactful moments in their life and being scared that I wouldn't be able to respond in the best way possible or have the right thing to say. Yeah, I agree. I think, yeah, a part of me would be like,

I would, I think if I was the lead, yeah, I would feel like I'm just not the guy to have these conversations consistent. Well, if you're the lead, you are the guy. You're the only guy. What? Like, can we, you know, I don't know. That's why I think, like, Paradise was such a,

like, a much better setting for me. has like our even at the beginning of our relationship you know our conversations were were or the opposite of deep but totally they were they were a lot of fun and we made each other laugh a lot and it was just like and then i'm just a slow i guess i'm i'm i'm someone who's a slower a slower build like it takes like it takes me a while where i feel like but i'm like that too so i feel like we kind of moved at the same pace which is um kind of why it worked yeah where if you're you know you're the lead of the show, I guess, like, yeah, you have, you almost, you have to be ready to open up faster because everyone else is doing it for you. Yeah. And you only have so much time. Yeah. But that was Grant State with Jen. Um, he kind of says he start, he's starting to fall for Jen. Um, and he said he's falling in love with Jen. Um, and he told the guys that. He even tell her that. Yeah. He told at the cocktail party, he said, I think I'm falling in love with Jen, which was a crazy move, my dude. Like,

I was really shocked actually by it. You said that was crazy. I don't think that was crazy at all. Really? Well, he's spending majority of his time with these guys and they're probably, and then like it was probably brought up like, how do we feel? And he's like, well, honestly, after my date,

like, I think I'm falling in love with her. I know. But I think if someone said that when I was on the cast and it was like week five and they just had this amazing one-on-one date that was super romantic and he's back here sitting there with a rose and he's telling me, yeah, I haven't told her this yet, but like I'm falling in love with this girl. I'd be like, oh my God, someone get me a pair of ear plugs.

Like, I can't handle hearing this right now. Wow, that wouldn't bother me. I'd be happy for him, but I would just be like, I don't want to know that. Like, I do not want to know that. Like, keep that to yourself. Like, write it in your journal. Okay. Note.

Keep that. But you don't think it would bother you? You'd be like, I'm stoked for you. That's awesome. I don't know if I would say I'm stoked, but I'd be like, wow, you're getting there. Like, good for you. Like, if Austin hadn't already sent himself home, like hearing that from Grant, dude is in a band at the door for sure I would be like how did you get there that fast

how you there tell me the secret um what does it feel like uh okay I think that's pretty much it the only uh they cancel the cocktail party cancel the cocktail party the other guy that goes home is Dylan um who you know Dylan seemed great had a great personality maybe just he was an early fave but kind of fizzled out I feel like the connection just wasn't there Jen was wearing purple dress this episode that I think was my favorite thing I've seen her in this season. I really loved her dress. Yeah, it seems like, you know, in Austin's defense as well, it does seem like a lot of, there's a decent amount of guys on this season that haven't got that much time with Jen. I just think we haven't seen their time with Jen.

Maybe Devin's taking it all. We'll ask you. We'll ask Devin. Are you the reason that Austin, Dylan, and John didn't get any time with her on our screen? We'll ask Devin this question coming up later this week. That is a recap. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to Bachelor Happy Hour. Make sure you download, subscribe.

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