Bachelor Happy Hour - Curses and Chemistry with Katelyn

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

Joe and Serena sit down with this season’s scientist sweetheart, Katelyn! In their chat, Katelyn discusses the meaning behind her family’s curse, the story behind her beautiful Night 1 dress, and all the reasons she is grateful to have been a part of Joey’s journey. She also reveals why she and Joey were never able to take it to the next level and shares her hopes for the upcoming “Women Tell All.” Listen now and make sure to follow so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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with Caitlin, Caitlin, the radio chemist from Joey's season, because that's such a interesting, cool job. And I think you may be the first radio chemist ever on The Bachelor. Maybe. It is a pretty rare profession, so I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. What, um, Can you explain for four dummies? Like us. Yeah. How did you explain what you do? So I can't go into too much detail, but radiochemistry as a profession is when you separate out actinides or radionuclides from a given substance and determine how much is in there.

I told you that. I told you that. Go ahead. Is it what you guess. Yeah. I knew that. Sure, Joe. Okay.

And yeah, I don't know if I can say much more, but that's pretty much like the gist of it. Gist, gist, gist. Just, just. The gist of it. The gist of it. So how did you end up in this career then? Because I imagine you didn't grow up being like, I just want to be a radio chemist. No.

So I've always been really good at like STEM, math, chemistry, all those things. things. And so going into college, like, obviously I want to do something you're good at. That's just like I do with human nature. So I decided to study chemistry. And then really my focus in undergrad was in organic chemistry. Like I did a lot of work with like lanthanai complex structures and just like material sciences. And so I graduated in May of 2020, which was, you know, like when COVID hit, all of the research facilities that I applied to, they had withdrawn applications because they just didn't have the funds. And so I just took like a quick little break and basically my old lab mate in one of my

classes had been like, hey, what if you joined my lab? And I was like, huh, I like looked it up and like, oh, man, this is prestigious. I should really look into this. And so honestly, it kind of just like fell into my lap in a way. And now I find like a lot of fun in radio chemistry. Like I find a lot of interest, but it was never my intent to go into. radio chemistry. Gotcha.

And where are you from? So I grew up in Texas, but I went to college in Austin. Okay. What school? University of Texas. Okay. And then do you think, because you're saying, is that the only sketch? That might be the only college there.

I'm like, well, no, there's a bunch. So that wasn't. Sorry. Joe went to the college of grocery stores and the board of trains. So different career history. But so you said you kind of fell into radiochemistry that wasn't always the intention or the goal. Do you think you'll stay in that career path or do you have other avenues that you want to explore? Yeah.

So I'm currently applying to master's programs for medical physics and medical dysmetry. I've been doing interviews, so hopefully they go well. So I'm looking into staying in radiation, but just like in a different habit. new, I would say. And where are you currently? Where do you live now? Are you still in Texas? No. So I live in Santa Fe, New Mexico. I moved here for my job, actually. Okay. Oh, cool. Cool. I've been the, I've been the Santa Fe once. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a cool little city, right? It's amazing. It has so much culture. And one thing I love about Santa Fe is you can make friends anywhere. Like, I moved there and only knowing one person. I made friends in like a coffee shop at a bar. And I still talk to them to this day. So it's just like one of those like neat little cities or everyone's just

so sociable. I love it. That's crazy. I feel like that's so rare. Like I feel like that's the opposite of what most people say when they move to a new city is like, oh, it's so hard to like meet new people. Yeah, I never really felt that. I just like, I mean, during COVID it was hard. So I waited until like restrictions lifted. But I ended up meeting like a great friends there. Do you think it's a it's more that you are like an extroverted social person or do you think there's just like a strong sense of community there i think there's a strong sense of community there i'm definitely not extroverted i would say um maybe more so in the past now but i've never been really like the one to be like i never liked a lot of attention on myself or anything like that so i feel like it's just when you're in such

a small community um santa fe is only like 80 000 people and most of them are like retired folk so when you see someone under like 35, you're like, oh my God, how are you? You know, it's like, I know everyone within at least like one degree of separation. That's under 35 in Santa Fe. That's just like how it is. I was in Hilton Head. I was living there for like three, four months with a friend of mine after university. And we were there from September to December, which is not the summer months. So like everyone that's young when was our age that was back away going to school. And And I remember we were like, we are the youngest people on this island. Like, we need to find, like, hunt down some people that are our age. Make sure you ask Alan about New Mexico. Just jot that down your notes. Okay. So, Caitlin, what was...

I'm scared to find out whatever that story is me too. What was dating life like for you before going on The Bachelor? Yeah, so not good. dating in Santa Fe was pretty hard for me I would say I just felt like there weren't like again the population of people is just so small and like then the single people are even smaller and like I don't know it was just so difficult to find anyone that I could date and then out of those people it wasn't like anything ever truly clicked like I never felt butterflies or anything or like I never could get past. like the fourth date like it just couldn't happen for me interesting do you think though like I feel like if there's only so many people under 35 like after a while you must be like I've dated everyone in this freaking city oh for sure and also you also have to like get rid of like subtract all the people that your friends have gone out with too so it's like it gets even smaller and smaller and yeah

there's come a point where I just like quit dating like maybe like a couple months before the show I was like, or a couple months before I applied to be on the show, rather. I was like, mm-mm. This is it for me, I guess. No, I have friends that are like single and on that dating grind. And they're like, it starts off fun. And then after a while, you just get dating fatigue and you're like, I'm deleting all the apps for a few months and taking a break.

Like, I cannot go on another first date. It gets exhausting. Were you buying into your family curse of like everyone's single and maybe it's just not for me? Well, I feel like our curse is more. of a nice thing to blame our problems on it's not like we necessarily like believe it but and also I feel like my my mom and my aunts they're just so independent that they just like or they've felt love and they just like haven't felt that again you know what I mean so it's more like not

giving into something that you know you're not worth like not worthy of that's not the right word but you what I mean it's like you don't want to go into something when you know it's not the one for you you don't want to settle yeah you don't want to settle yeah I don't want to settle and it took me like a while to realize that like you know in earlier years I definitely fell into relationships way too quickly so and obviously there was a part of you that that was kidding when you were talking about it on the show but when you're when your mom and your aunts watched it back what did they what did they say oh my gosh well I mean they just they thought it was so funny were like I cannot believe they aired this. I was like convinced that they were going to add like editing on it with like voodoo lights and like little orbs or something. I was so convinced they were going to do that. But yeah, I mean, they were prepared for the worst. I was like, guys, like sorry. Like I did mention you. But you know, we talk about the curse all the time. And yeah. They're such like hearted and fun people. So they didn't care at all. That's good. That's so fun. So then dating life was not it. How did you?

end up on the Bachelor. Oh my gosh. So my best friend nominated me on The Bachelor. And then I was like, guys, can you believe it? Like, Catherine, nominating me to be on The Bachelor. And then a lot of my friends did it all of a sudden. I'm like, ah, shit. I should just like nominate myself. And so it was just kind of like my friend saw that like I just gone on another date and it wasn't working. And She was like, you need to go where they have pre-bedded someone and you know that they're going to be a good person. You always say that. I do because as women, like if you meet a guy at a bar where you don't have like a mutual friend with like with them or something like that, you're like you're not pre-vetted. Like you could be totally crazy.

You could be a scumbag. And it's going to take me a decent amount of time like at least three or four dates to figure that out for myself. Whereas when you go on The Bachelor or like Bachelor in Paradise or any of these shows, it's like, oh, okay, sure, like someone could still kind of be a scumbag, I guess, but it's like, they're pre-vetted. You know, they're not crazy. You know, they're like emotionally available. You know, they're genuinely looking for a relationship. Sorry to just take over, Caitlin. But I always say, like, for women, I feel like it's a big thing, be like this guy is pre-vetted. No, exactly. And especially the part where they're looking for a relationship, I feel like a lot of guys pretend that they are.

And I'm like, oh, I really like you. And they're like, well, I'm not ready for anything yet. And I'm like, well, I don't waste my time. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so let's know, we're back in chronological order. I feel, so Caitlin Serena really needs to do this, like, in chronological order, these interviews. So when I jumped ahead and asked about your mom and your aunt, I could just feel, I could feel the anxiety in the room. I'm just like a linear thinker. I'm Jamil Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcast Politics.

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as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So, okay, so you get on, so you get on, and. And what are your thoughts? Did you know Joey was going to be The Bachelor? What were your thoughts when you found out it was going to be him? So I had no idea it was going to be him until, you know, when they announced him on TV. And I was like, so psyched. Like me and my friends were like doing dances all around the kitchen.

Because in all honesty, like, obviously like I want to find this my person and I want to go on the show for someone that's like vetted. And I know they have the same goals in mind. but at the same time, I wasn't really willing to go on for someone that I knew I couldn't be interested in or, you know, wasn't attracted to. And so when I saw it was Joey and he's just like the most amazing, nice, sweet person I've ever met with like golden retriever energy, which is like definitely my type. I was just so psyched. And that's when I was like really locked in. And that's when I told my work. I was like, hey guys. I'm like, peace it out for a little bit. That's awesome. No, I feel like a lot of the women from your season were super happy to

find it. It was Joey. For sure. Yeah. So you got on the show. It's night one. Can you tell us about the dress that you wore? Because I feel like it was like super memorable and beautiful, but like definitely a unique silhouette compared to what we usually see for like night one gowns. Like how did you find it where's it from how'd you pick it so um i'm half vietnamese um so that's like my culture and i mostly grew up with my mom who immigrated here when she was 17 or 18 and so i've always worn what that dress is called an ii and it's just like our traditional dress in vietnam and we normally wear it for like formal occasions and in the past they like wore it to school and like teachers wear it so it's like very common in vietnam um and you know this was like a formal occasion

to me. I was like, I'm going to meet someone tonight that could, I could potentially be engaged too. I want him to know my culture and like, see it on me, even if we don't have like a conversation about it. It's just like, are you willing to accept something that's like a little different than just like, you know, the normal like promise dresses, which obviously I wear in the future as well. But yeah, so it's called an alley-eye and the whole point is to be completely modest. So you're covered all the way head to toe and we have like pants underneath. So there's like a slit. The whole point is like femininity can still be seen through modesty. I'm obsessed. That's amazing. Thank you. It was beautiful. It looked amazing on you. And I just think that it's such a

great way to incorporate something special about you and your culture because you just never know how much time you're going to get with the lead and just to be like, hey, this is me. And I'm going to like tell you about it, but I'm also going to show you a part of who I am as well is really special. What a cool story too. Like if you ask me like what I wore, I beg, yeah, where'd you get? I got out of this store. That's about the extent.

So, okay, so how about the other women in the house? Any, who are you friends with? Who are you kind of like, don't like this person? So in my limo was Kelsey A. And I just like immediately became really good friends with her. She has such a wonderful energy. And she wasn't nervous at all too, which is why I think I like gravitated towards her that first night. Because I was like obscenely nervous.

Like I'd never been that nervous in my whole life. Like I couldn't even like keep down a cookie. And I love cookies. Like that was like unheard of for me. What's your favorite cookie? Oh my God. Peanut butter cookies. I love peanut butter cookies.

we don't have peanut butter cookies in the house because serena's allergic to nuts but i do i do love a peanut butter cookie i know i know i'm just a burden on jo's diet well i mean also i haven't really been eating peanut butter that much because supposedly there's like a ton of mold in peanut butter i know have you seen this yeah yeah i know so you're welcome actually i'm saving your life Like, I'm sure once it gets heated, like it goes away. But I don't know. You're the radio chemist. I don't think there's a crossover there, Joe.

We're a biologist. Okay. So, okay, so Kelsey, Kelsey A. I feel like we've seen that, like in the last episode on the group date, we see you guys, like, kind of confiding in each other about the difficulty of that specific group date. And just like, I feel like clips. I always see you guys, like, sitting together and. Yeah, we were definitely close. And then I got close with Daisy and I didn't know this the first night about her cochlear implant, but I was just getting like so overwhelming being in like a room like so many people. I kept like finding places that were quiet and like low and hold Daisy was there, which like makes sense like the day after when I found that out. But yeah, I became close with her because we were just like talking about like how overwhelming it was. Like can you believe we're here? You know, that sort of conversation.

And then honestly, I didn't get to talk to everyone night one, just because I feel like I was so in my own head that I didn't really feel like I got bad vibes from anyone night one. How about like now, like midseason, anyone give you bad vibes? Well, let's be a little more specific with it because there's definitely, we've seen a lot of drama in the house. We haven't seen you involved in any of it, obviously, but you were there. I'm sure you have your opinions on it. the main it seems like there's like kind of two sides and then like a middle ground we've got like Maria and then we've got Sydney Leah and Jess do you feel like you were closer with any of these girls where do you think you kind of like fell in the mix of the drama right so I would say for

the drama itself I was definitely more neutral um like I have spoken with Maria and I said this time and time again. She does have, like, such a positive energy, and she never puts people down, but her conflict style is, like, way more aggressive than I think a lot of the other girls are. And then I'm really close with Leah. Like, we were roommates in the hotels in Malta, and I love Jess. We were, like, our little, like, bees together. So we were always, like, close. But neither of them held it against me that, you know, I was friends with the other. Like, neither one encouraged to like me to talk shit or anything like that. I feel like both the girls like have both sets of girls have such positive light around them that it's like disappointing

that it went this way. But I can understand it like people have different conflict styles. What do you think it was? Because I totally agree like it does seem like there's conflict and like yeah, different ways. Even like with Sydney and Maria like they definitely are different in the way like they communicate and their conflict styles. What do you think it was that was sparking this conflict? Because it does feel like there's like on a personal level tension between these girls. Yeah, that's, I don't even know. I remember I just come in from talking with Joey that night.

And I walked in and I was like, something is amiss. Like I miss something. I don't know what's going on. But yeah, I think it's maybe more just like insisting that, um, like Maria was insisting like who asked who told you this like who told you this and then Sydney was very insistent as well like well this isn't cool like whatever so and so I don't know it was just a lot for me and I'm definitely like more of like a hands off sort of person like I can be like oh we can disagree and that's okay with me so I don't know it was hard for me to understand too on the same way like we could disagree and we could still be friends yeah um okay so let's fast forward to present time in the show um and you are one of the women that are on this group date which is you guys play hockey something happens before that

and dancing and stuff yeah yeah there was a saying oh yeah we forgot about the the singing dancing moment. This scavenger hunt group date was a lot. What were your thoughts on it? Yeah, because we do see you pull Joey to the side and you are, you struggle a little with the day. Yeah, but you're definitely not the only one. Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like going into this group date, I was already putting like a lot of pressure, I guess, in Montreal because I knew it was only one more week and then hometowns. So I guess in my head, it was immediately like if I don't get a one-on-one this week. I don't think I'm going to make it. Like, to be honest, like, I don't think neither of us will have enough time to make sure that I'm ready for him to meet my family,

and he's ready to meet my family. So I initially put a lot of pressure on myself going into Montreal, and then Joey doubled down and said, like, this is a very important week, had like a pretty somber tone, I feel like, to the start of it. And then obviously I found out that I'm not getting a one-on-one. I'm on this group date. Um, so yeah, I, I had like a hard time with this group date mostly because this felt like a date that you would kind of do just with one person. Like it didn't feel like, you know, the other dates were so like in a group. Yeah, more. It felt like the structure.

Yeah. It felt like the structure of this group date was not cohesive to a group date. If that makes sense. Like it felt really challenging for him to get around to everyone. Like it feels like it's something you do with a group of friends Or you would do it with just one other person Like a sidewalk can only fit Joey plus one other girl Anytime you work that girl you're like

I'm mad like it just like kind of suck to see I also feel like on the like a date I would have gotten discouraged and been like I'm not fighting my way up to the front Like I'm just going to hang in the back and be annoyed probably That's definitely what I was like And I'm also definitely more of a passive person Like I'm not someone who's going to like

throw an elbow to get to talk to someone. And you're all friends, I'm assuming at this point. Of course. Yeah. I'm like, I'm not interested in like throwing anyone under the bus. But also I want someone else to like make a move and like show that you're interested. And in that group date was hard because I don't, I didn't felt like he did that with really anyone. And I know it's probably because like everyone was coming up to him and trying to take his time. But it would have been nice to have like that validation throughout the date. Yeah.

Yeah, totally. No, it was a hard date to watch just knowing how probably hard it was to be on that date. Like, I really empathize with you guys and Joey because it was just a difficult dynamic. Was there anyone that you felt like was really, like, you explained that you feel like you're more passive as like someone who didn't want to be like pushing their way to the front? Was there anyone on the date that you felt was doing that? Not even in like a negative way, but that was maybe just more their style. Like really going for it. Yeah.

I feel like Jen is definitely, like, that sort of person, and I commend her for it. Like, I wish I was like that. She's definitely, like, a very confident person and would always, like, go up to Joey and, like, show them little things and point out things. I'm like, oh, man. I wish I could do that if my tummy wasn't mad at me because I'm so anxious. Yeah, I feel like Jen really, like, shows her best self, like, on camera and in front of a lot of people, and she's not afraid to show herself, which is really cool.

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how you're both struggling on the date. And then we see you talk to Joey that night and you just kind of open up about like how it was hard. How did that conversation go? You know, it went okay. I would say I think we have like an honest conversation, which is always good. It did leave me with like kind of a sinking feeling though. Just because I felt like we both kind of agreed that, you know, it just like it wasn't going at the pace that we needed to go.

Like we never had a one on one and I never really pushed myself so hard or like got out of my head enough during these group dates to really like make myself seen. So that was like a really difficult conversation to have. I feel like it just to be like open about. So I'm not used to like having to fight for a guy. And then also just to be vulnerable in front of someone I haven't known that long. In front of cameras too. That's so scary. Yeah.

It's scary. So you left that kind of with a sinking feeling. Was there part of you that was wondering if you might be going home that week? I felt almost positive I was going home that week, sadly. just because I hadn't had that one-on-one time. And then my time with Joey was really spent talking about how I wish I had time versus like, you know, furthering a relationship. So, yeah, I didn't feel too great about it.

I feel like, though, and tell me, tell me if you disagree. But do you feel like it was kind of like, how do I want to phrase this? Like, were you in any way a little bit grateful that he was kind of honest with you? that conversation about where your relationship was at versus just being like dumping a bunch of reassurance on you in that moment to leave the conversation feeling a lot better at the time but then not getting rose to the rose ceremony 100%. I really appreciated his honesty and I feel like me not getting a rose later or like leaving later in the week would have been so much tougher on me if I felt like he'd said like, oh, we're like totally there. Like don't worry about it.

like I'm so confident about you like that would have made me feel sorry like a different way about it so I'm really glad that he was honest with me as I was honest with him too was there any girls that you were surprised when they went home or maybe are surprised that they were still there like I didn't realize like they had such a strong connection no I feel like the six girls that were left after lay and I left I felt like they had a strong connection like I was like I was having a hard time even in my head like who would even be going to hometowns like I had no idea who he was going to cut um but I was surprised that Lexi laughs because I thought they had a strong connection but you know we like talked about

like her timeline and stuff like that so it made sense yeah yeah wait I just want to ask um you know if you feel comfortable sharing um if not no problem because I know it's a bit of a personal question for Lexi but she we never got to see what her timeline that she was kind of looking for? Did she ever speak with you guys about that? I know that Joey articulated his. Is she just kind of looking for a more like rapid pace? Because I know she just said like they don't align was kind of the messaging we got as viewers. Yeah. So I know Joey mentioned that he wants like a longer engagement and like a longer marriage before having kids. And I just don't think that Lexi has that in mind. I think she knows exactly what she wants.

and I applaud her for it. So, yeah, I think she just wants, like, a shorter time frame to have her kids sooner just because of her health issues and stuff like that. So, yeah, which absolutely makes sense. Yeah, makes sense. Yeah, let's play a game. A question, though, if, yeah, we're going to have a game. It's a lot of fun. If you were to get, if they did a Bachelor in Paradise and they asked you to go, would you?

Hell yeah. I mean, look, you guys came out of that. I would love to find my person, even if it's through something unconventional, like, paradise. Yeah, I think it would be really fun. I don't know if I'd look forward to, like, sweating that much, but. You do sweat a lot. You do sweat a lot. It's hot. I'm so sweaty. It like, it like varies every season. Like, I feel like every year it's different. Our season was crazy hot. We had tear. And like we had storm. and stuff. But then we didn't have any bugs because it was so hot. Whereas then the following two years, I heard that it wasn't that like last year, I think it like wasn't that hot at all. But it was crazy buggy. So it's like pick your poison in the situation. I know. Oh, also you have the tell all coming up. Anything you're excited about for that. I don't even know if I'm excited. I'm just like nervous because I know like with everything airing like emotions have been

arising again and bubbling up. So I'm just like nervous to see the conflict again because like being there in person it's just so overwhelming. It's just like really really loud arguing and

it can just get to be a lot. I really am excited though for both girls to like get to share more of their story and like why they felt that way because I feel like the show obviously like we have so much to show

or sorry, we have so much that we filmed but not a lot can be shown and so I feel like it's a good time for the girls

to have like that full hour to like really talk about it and get to the bottom of things and hopefully everyone can be

friends after this so. Well hopefully they don't take up the whole hour because I just I don't know I'm sure

I don't know what happens. I'm sure they're going to take up a good portion of it but yeah I think the towel is always a great time

to get more insight into like more details about the drama, maybe things that weren't shown and just more context for the viewers. And sometimes an opportunity for reconciliation. If Sydney and Maria Walker is friends, I'll literally be floored. But you never know. Anything could happen. I'd be so shocked. But I do hope it happens. Or at least all the other girls get along to. So, yeah. Rapid fire. Rapid fire. You want to do it. it comes yeah i'll do it okay first thing that comes to your head just blurt it out they're all just like easy fun questions about you no need to stress sneakers or heels for a night out sneakers i'm 510 dude oh yeah you're tall wait were you taller than joey no actually um when i wore my heels

and he wore his like i don't know like loafers i guess he equated to like he was barely taller but Yeah. Kelsey A seems tall too, right? Mm-hmm. She's just an inch shorter than me. I also think that's why we got along because we got to share so many clothes and shoes. Yeah, I feel like you, Kelsey, and Lexi were always sharing clothes. Always. Yeah. Always. Dream vacation destination.

Oh, my gosh. Well, I'm going to Patagonia next week, and that's like always been a dream of mine. Yeah, I'm a big, like, hiker and climbers, so I'm excited. Oh, that's awesome. an artist you'd love to see perform Oh my gosh Tate McCray No way I think she's from like the city I grew up in

Really? Yeah I think she's how old is she She's like a few years younger than me I think He's pretty young I think Yeah but one of the guys I used to dance Like against a competition Is like her backup dancer I think

Oh my gosh Yeah like random connection Favorite Favorite group date this season Oh my gosh The tennis date was so fun. That was so funny. I loved that date.

Night owl or early bird. My God, neither. I'm like an old lady. I like to sleep in and then go to bed at like nine. Favorite city to visit in the world. Oh my gosh. I just love Saigon, Vietnam so much. Favorite food or cuisine?

Oh, I really like. Thai food, I feel like. It's probably my favorite. I just had a really good tie the other night. Did you? From where? Bangkok. Oh, yeah.

Supper club. Yeah. Coffee or tea? Oh my gosh. Neither. I don't like the taste. Really? Do you drink anything for caffeine? Sometimes I drink energy drinks, but I try to stray away because they're just so bad.

I know. And I'm embarrassed too. Every time I'm like open. I'm like, oh. no one look go to cocktail on a night out oh french 75 someone else said that too i think on this season yeah a dating deal breaker of yours oh if they hunt favorite physical quality of a man um i feel like their smile favorite subject or class you've taken um inorganic chemistry Favorite memory from the shell

Oh my gosh I have so many I don't know I don't give me one It could just be one of your favorites It doesn't have to be the favorite This is the last question So this is what people will remember you about

I was crapping on the Montreal date But I really like when we were all dancing around I feel like that was just so fun Okay nice Well that does it for today Caitlin thank you so much for coming on Happy Hour. Thank you guys for having me.

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