Bachelor Happy Hour - Dale: Getting Real and Feeling Smitten!

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” Dale is back to give us a raw and real rundown of his “Paradise” journey so far! With lots of highs and lows to discuss, we’re taking things back to Dale’s Day One on the beach. What ultimately led him back to Kat after every initial spark he felt? Then, we get into all the drama! Dale tells us how he felt about Sean’s comments toward Kat, the Jeremy/Brian/Bailey drama, and his POV on the infamous “deaded it” fight. Plus, we ask Dale all the hard-hitting questions about Allyshia: What’s his response to her recent accusations toward Kat? Does he agree with her claims on “Happy Hour” that they could’ve ended up together? We asked and Dale told! Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime Podcasts and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for it. Between Jerry out here, Mandarin all over the place, hop-out boys snatching up family members

and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein, we had to reach out to the homie Jamil Hill because she going to keep it a century. The American public is used to be. being entertained. We're a consumption society. So what Trump figured out is entertain them and they'll never question you. Listen to the hood politics with prop podcasts on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose

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at night, every night, I was like, I need to find my prince charming. Like, it was never a princess. Make sure you listen to this episode is politics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everyone, welcome back to The Badger Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here today with our guest, Dale Moss. Dale, welcome back to the podcast. What's up? I'm back in the building. you're back you're back we got a lot to talk about um last time you were here it was preseason so now we're we're we're past midway um so we're going to kind of try to cover everything also uh near the end of the podcast we are going to have to bring up the fact that alicia was

on our podcast and mentioned that if she was there at the beginning you guys would be a couple so i want to ask you about that uh so don't let me forget All right. All right. So off the jump, you are what, you're, you come like a day later or is it just like the afternoon later when you get to paradise? I came, I came a day later. So everyone was in. Yeah, and I was a late arrival with, uh, right after the first group. Did you realize, did you know, did you pick up on the fact that you were like a hot commodity coming in? And like when you got to the beach, the guys were nervous and all the girls were like, Dale's hair. Honestly, because I knew absolutely nobody going in. I was familiar with Justin, but for me, I was just walking in there and just kind of, you know, taking everything in as it came. You know, I realized that a little bit more watching it back. But honestly, I was a little nervous because it was like that moment like, whoa, you're stepping on the beach. And that's a place I

didn't think I'd be back. But it was, you know, once I got to meet everyone, I felt very, very comfortable, and I told myself going in, you know, I'm going to be open, I'm going to have fun. It was honestly a big step for me just because that environment where there's multiple people, you're competing or, you know, trying to find the right match in the mix of, you know, I think there was like 20 people there, is definitely out of the norm for me. But it was it was a great experience. I, you know, I loved, you know, loved doing it. Obviously, you know, fast forward, I still say it was one of the best experiences of my life. So it started off well.

Initially, who caught your eye and, you know, at the beginning? I mean, I was just trying to talk and communicate with people and just get a feel for them. You know, there's obviously a lot of attractive people on the beach. But for me, it's really about like how you connect. You know, I never expected to find someone who was perfect in every sense. I just wanted to see, you know, who had depth, who had growth. And I initially started talking to Zoe. And she was just easy to talk to and chill with vibe.

Also being in New York, a lot of similarities. And I think that was one thing that I was looking for is how is the alignment? Because, you know, love is the ultimate, right? You want to build something strong with somebody. But I also know that, you know, in previous relationships, the alignment wasn't always there, and it caused a lot of difficulties. So obviously, I talked to Zoe, Alex, Bailey, you know, and then Kat, we didn't really talk much on the beach. It took some time until we actually had just a moment, you know, before I, or once I got the date card, to get to know Kat, which she's hilarious. So I didn't have one person who I was focused on.

I was just trying to meet people and be open and have zero preconceived notions. As we see you end up like choosing or spending most of your time with Kat. What was it about Zoe that didn't really work? Because we see as we watch it, we see that she's really into you. You said you talked to her first. She lives in New York. where was was there a disconnect i wouldn't even say there was ever a disconnect uh with anyone i took each interaction um as its own moment and i thought it was important to give people that

moment um and just take it as it is but ultimately it was less about zoe uh it was more about cat you know cat and i uh connected and i definitely had um my guard up early on um but you know One of the things that I loved about Kat so much is that she was gonna be who she was gonna be regardless. And I think there's a lot of times, and it came up sometimes during the season, people would talk about her past experience on Paradise, which I never watched.

I still hadn't, you know, to this day. But I think there's this beauty and someone just being who they are. They don't have to be perfect. They can be messy at times. And I feel like for a lot of people, and I hear that all the time, is like if someone's got a big personality or they're emotional, a lot of times they get put

into this box where people try to almost limit it, right? Like they're too much. But for me, if someone can express themselves and have fun and, you know, just be unapologetically themselves, that's extremely attractive to me. Do you have a type? And if so, would you say Kat is your typical type of women that you date either physically or her personality? I wouldn't say I have a type. You know, I dated every race, you know, all backgrounds. Cat, I would say, is typically not my type, to be honest. You know, some of my previous relationships, my last three, you know, were my age or older. You know, they were all entrepreneurs. And they were, they were a different mix with each person that I'd been with. So Kat was definitely unique in that sense,

but ultimately, you know, one of the through lines, whoever I've been with and whoever I've dated, we're able to laugh together. We're able to have fun, you know, and I think we're able to move through things pretty quickly. And at the core of it, it's really just, you know, if values are the same and then, you know, they just have a good heart and a kind spirit. So a little different than I've dated in the past. But again, you know, I was really happy with how the Paradise Experience started off and, you know, have so much love and respect for Kat. So jump, jumping ahead and we'll come back, but I just want to just because we're kind of on the topic of if she's your type or not. Sean mentions, I think in this recent episode, like Dale would never take you serious after the show.

It seems kind of out of left field for him even to say that. But why do you think he said that? I mean, I think Sean was just worked up, right? Yeah. I think he was hurt based on some of the things that, you know, he perceived or whatever. But ultimately, like, I don't invest time in people that I don't care about, you know. And I think, like, you know, through the season, you realize that there's moments, right, where there could be some conflict or we have triggers and things like that. But the reality is, you know, time is.

valuable. I've got a lot going on. I respect what people have going on in their life. And I don't take connection in those things very lightly. So I think that just came from a place of probably frustration and hurt. Because at the end of the day, like, I walked on the beach also saying if someone wasn't here for me, I was fine leaving on my own terms. I'm very secure on my own. You know, I want to build a life. I want to have a relationship. I want to get married. I want to have kids, but I'm not pressed on those things. So anything that I do or any time that I spend with someone, it's very intentional. And I'm doing it because I want to. So got it. We see that you and Kat are building like a great foundation to your relationship. The first bump in the road

that you guys have is with the appearance of Ali Joe. And the dad did it. That it was probably the biggest phrase of the season. Yes, as we see on your t-shirt today. Oh, is that way you're Is that what your t-shirt says? Yeah, I'm too far away. I got to have a little fun with it, right? Nice. Like, in those moments, it's intense. And, you know, I don't shy away from anything that happened on the show, right?

Like, I went there. I was having fun. The reality is, though, like, there was never a bad intent. But one thing that I realized, and I think everyone does, right? You have these ideas of how you're going to move through situations and, you know, sometimes an intense environment. one thing that most people don't realize and I had to realize is you think you have it all worked out you work through past relationships and triggers but something and sometimes they come up you know and that was definitely a moment where kind of out of left field extremely uncharacteristic like my

sister was like what the hell is that I've never seen you act like that I was like yo I'm I'm with you there but it in in the moment and in real time it wasn't nearly as big uh a of a thing, right? Move through it really quickly. But yeah, I mean, you know, those things happen. There's sometimes a little conflict, but no relationship is perfect. And the reality is, as people have seen through the season,

Kat and I navigated real things in real time. And, you know, I think that's what makes the story, like, so, so great. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not?

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for. Feds taking over American cities. government hop-out boys hopping out the van snatching up your theo in them two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours Jerry just out here mandering all over the place

the turfs and of course the Epstein of it all well this week we decided to shoot our shot and boy did we pull up from the logo to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us and the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from this politics podcast to keep it a whole century the American public is used to being entertained We're a consumption society. So what Trump figured out is entertain them, and they'll never question you. Listen to the hood politics with prop podcasts on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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two years into marriage to come out. Like when I close my eyes at night, every night, I was like, I need to find my prince charming. Like, it was never a princess. Like, that never entered into my mind. But, you know, as I learned, sometimes life gives you things wrapped in a package that you didn't expect it.

And that was just, you know, and honestly, it took me a long time to be okay with myself. Make sure to listen to this week's episode of Spolitics on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Um, one thing, when Kat came on this podcast, the one thing she said that was like the biggest trigger for her, uh, was you said it was like near the end of, it was after the row ceremony where you're like, we just grew up and differently or we came from, we come from different backgrounds. Why did you say that at the time?

I guess, like, what did you mean by that? Yeah, I mean, my take on that had nothing to do with her background or anything as far as in a negative light. It was pretty clear cut and dry, right? Like, I think our approach to our triggers, our relationships, things are a little bit different. You know, I grew up in a house with my mom and my four sisters. My dad wasn't in the picture that much, you know, and they were, you know, thick skis. and stuff didn't really affect them that much. But I was always told as much as possible,

you know, even though we're on a reality show. Keep your relationship very tight. Keep it private because, you know, if people get into it, they'll try to tear down a good thing. Also, it was just in a simple way, you know. I grew up in just a different space with... Yeah.

So it was never, it was never anything as like a jab. And I think she took that in that way, and we talked about that, not only on the show, you know, like in that moment, but later on in the show, because that was something that she had never shared. And she was always worried about her upbringing and how that could be used against her. And, you know, for me, on the outside, people would think I had a traumatic, a very tough upbringing. You know, I've been isolated. I couldn't stay at friends' houses because of biracial marriage. I didn't know my mom's side because of biracial marriage, racial profiling, all those things, right? We were poor.

But the reality is, like, you know, I've been through the mud. And one thing I would never judge anyone for is their background. I think that's something that makes us so beautiful. And I'll never apologize for how I grew up my family or things that happened because it's made me who I am today. So I think that was just, again, it was just a trigger, right? You know, something that's delivered and it lands, you know, in a different way. But there was no intent, ill intent or anything like that. Yeah, I was just saying like as kind of clear cut and dry, we just have different backgrounds

and sometimes our perspectives are going to be a little bit different. Is there anything you wish you'd done differently in regards to the situation with Allie Jo and Kat? I mean, I think the biggest thing, you know, I'm patient, right? Too much rosé, Dale, too much rosé. That was the one time the rosé gave me a little bit. We actually clocked it. We were watching like, he's drinking rosé right now. Oh, the rosé hit for sure.

And the thing is in that situation, I was like sitting down, like, I thought we were going to have a really deep emotional talk about how we've moved past things. Like, you know, that moment where you guys, you really get like this, because we'd spend a day and a half roughly together after the whole Allie Joe situation. So, you know, on my side, I would say definitely, you know, just been more patient, you know, even if a trigger had occurred, you know, probably just taking some time to separate in space, which is normally what I do, right? You know, it's hard to get away from all the cameras and stuff following you around when you're trying to cool down. And then I think on the other side, you know, on the Allie Joe situation,

it wasn't even something that really sat and held weight because I took that as like its own moment, its own situation. We had known each other for four days. You have someone who's opening up and putting themselves out there. But I think like, you know, I guess it's just a communication thing there, right? Understanding what cat expects in that moment at that time. And then, you know, the reality is, well, and this is something I've had to learn. Sometimes people are going to express emotions and it's not personal right sometimes it's so easy for us to take that as personal when they're really just expressing where they're at and you know what they're feeling in that moment so again uncharacteristic moment I don't shy away from it in any any way shape or form

you know Kat handled herself you know remarkably she did the whole season and again it was just one of those moments early on that we moved past you know pretty quickly and then yeah it's just you're learning new things with new people um not talking about like where you guys are at now with your relationship but around this time what is the deal with you and jonathan are you friends are you just yeah what is your like this point i think i think it's funny because the whole jonathan thing like i didn't have a bad bone i had no like i had no qualms with anybody on the show, right? So when you watch it back, you see all these things with Jonathan.

And yeah, you know, it was a little annoying and whatever, but it didn't really affect me. Like, I was never worried about Jonathan and his actions. All I could do is, like, you know, how I showed up with Kat. I had love and respect from everyone in the house. And I think there was a time where, I don't know if it, like, everyone starts throwing around this brocode thing. I don't know how the brocode thing got so big. But, yeah, Jonathan and I thought were cool.

I didn't talk too much about my personal stuff with him personally I don't think a lot of people did but again you're navigating an environment that you're trying to find the right match you know there was obviously

interest early on and from there all I can control is how I handle things so people are going to do what they're going to do I wasn't losing sleep over it it wasn't really a big thing and you know if there was something to address I did it the whole season I went right up to the person and addressed

So what you see is what you got. In your ITM, we see that you end up having the power this week to break the tie for the vote on who's going to go home. It is between Jonathan and Leia or Keith and Kathy. And you explained that you went with Jonathan and Leia because Jonathan had kind of created a little bit of turmoil between you and Kat. So it made it an easy decision. Do you want to just provide a little bit more insight into that decision? And if you start my own? I mean, my decision entirely was in regards to Keith and guidance and support for the rest of the time.

Keith and Kathy, I had an amazing relationship with them. And I understand, you know, some of the things early on with Jonathan. But that didn't really play into my decision. I think at the moment it could be like, you know, a little funny. It's like, all right. here we go. But it was never like a payback thing or anything. You had two couples who obviously weren't in a relationship. But I knew what was important for me in the deep conversations that I had with both Kathy and Keith. It was tough to navigate things at different times. And not only for myself,

I cared about everyone else who was there. And I know for Kat and I, having Keith and Kathy there was going to be important. We confided in them a lot. We talked about. about her family. They talked us down from situations. They gave us perspectives. So the reality it was it was less about Jonathan. It wasn't really even about Jonathan at all. It was more about Keith and Kathy and how great they were. Are you at this point, so we see obviously midseason the structure of the show gets switched to a love show to a competition show. Yeah. Do you have any is there a strategy going on because when you do eliminate jonathan my thinking is that you eliminate jonathan because because keith most likely will eliminate himself the next week because he's like

keeps saying like i want to go home i want to go home so why not take out jonathan leah who are actually pretty strong keep keith who could potentially eliminate himself the next week like is their strategy uh it wasn't really like not really strategy i wanted to be around people people that I could trust and that I like spending time with. You know, Kat and I, we built great relationships. People could see us as a threat. But the reality is the strongest couples were going to be there at the end. I think everyone kind of knew that.

It was less strategy with us. And, you know, I just loved having Keith and Kathy around. And I don't want to say that it wasn't top of mind. But Kat and I believed the entire time that we were going to be fine. Right? When it pushed came to shove and you had to eliminate some of your, your close friends and some of the really, really strong couples, we would cross that path. But there wasn't really too much strategy, honestly. Okay. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor. lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the okay storytime podcast on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast all right west west prop here from hood politics with prop podcasts you already know i get down if you grew up in our urban areas a comfort of struggle you understand politics much more

than you giving credit for feds taking over american cities government hop out boys hopping out the van snatching up your theo in them two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours jerry just out here mandering all over the place the turfs and of course and of course Of course, the Epstein of it all. Well, this week, we decided to shoot our shot, and boy, did we pull up from the logo, to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill

pulled up from this politics podcast to keep it a whole century. The American public is used to being entertained. We're a consumption society. So what Trump figured out is entertain them, and they'll never question you. Listen to the hood politics with prop podcasts on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast,

or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers, the pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this, until this. Turn this. It's just...

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runway. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to no such thing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya. You Manzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD, oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psycho babble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. I'm Jamel Hill, host of the sports. and politics podcast, politics.

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part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half

years, but their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Um, okay, we, we see Sean doing all the, you know, the politician, but, uh, even going back a little, a little prior, Alicia comes in. She seems to be really into you. You seem to be into her a little bit. She ends up taking, um, Sean on the date. If she would ask you, would you have went? I mean, I, so I had a conversation with Alicia, you know, very clearly. She tells, um, she told, um, um, Sean on the date. I mean, I, so I had a conversation with Alicia, you know, you know, you know, she talked with Kat and she spoke with me and you know we kind of hit it off in just a natural way just relatability we had crossover and things that we were involved in and you know from that night to the next morning you sit and you analyze like really you know you're trying to find the perfect match and I was very open with her I told her how I saw her I said you know if you

if you want to take me on a date, you know, I'm open to understanding and getting to know more about you. I also told her very directly that regardless of a date, my rose is going to cat. So, you know, she definitely knew that. We had her conversation. At the end, she said, I asked her how it matched up with Kat's conversation and she said your words and your actions line up perfectly. So she knew where I stood, you know, it was very, very clear. And I think the battle that everyone goes through, right? It's like you built something with someone and, you know, it's been great. And then you have someone else come in and it's like, whoa, these boxes check in an area

that I didn't expect. But ultimately, at the end of the day, it was always Kat. And I think, you know, you go through these things and the Alley Joe's and some of the early, you know, stages with the kissing booth and stuff, everything brought me back closer to Kat. each and every time. And also that same day I realized very, very clearly, it's not about who's coming in. It's about getting tighter and getting more clear and having more depth and openness with Kat, which in one of the episodes, I said very clearly, you know, I just need more. And I think that's with the comfortability when we talk about triggers, about background. You know, I want to

know the good. I want to know the bad. Like, I want to get into the mud because if you're going to build a life with someone like you got to you you you got to be willing to open up you know but do you think like you did yourself somewhat of a disservice by telling alicia you would give cat the rose because if she did take you on the date and you guys do really hit it off maybe maybe that's actually your person you know did you think about that at all uh i i thought about it but i i knew um you know I really knew like, you know, in our conversation, even how I was feeling the next day after Birds of Paradise, you know, you're riding a high, there's emotions and all this and you get a little intrigued. But the reality was when I, you know, waking up that morning, I told

her, you know, I'd be open. You seemed like a great person, you know, to learn more about you. I didn't do myself a disservice because I thought it was important for her to know exactly where I was at. And ultimately, you know, we could have went on the date. I didn't want her to waste it on me because regardless of how that date went, my rose was going to go to Kat. And I think it's just one of those moments where you understand like there's good people out there. There's a lot of connectivity and things. But I also understood what Kat and I have been through. And we worked through real problems and some conflict and some high moments and everything.

And I wasn't willing to throw that away just because someone new came in. Yeah. And that is really aligned with what she kind of said about. your guys' interactions when she came on our podcast a few weeks ago. Another thing that she mentioned when she came on our podcast was that if she had been down there from day one, she thinks that because you guys shared so many things naturally in common, that there's a chance that you and her would have ended up coupling up rather than you and Kat.

What do you think about that comment? Yeah. I mean, you know, we definitely had a lot of common ground. You know, I have nothing bad to say about, Alicia, I have nothing bad to say about anyone on the show. But the reality is, which also plays back into that last moment, if Cat was on that beach, it was going to be Cat and I. Before Alicia came in, you know, I said in the morning, I was like, there's no one else here, you know, I'm interested in. Obviously, Alicia came in that night. And I told myself from the beginning, because I've also understand that, like, you know, which was,

a challenge for me. You got to, you got to, you know, have your boundaries up. You got to be stern, but you got to be open and, like, see people as they are or give them a chance because you'll never know what you're going to miss out on. And that played a role into, you know, the conversations that we had. And I always spoke to people as I saw them, right? There were a lot of great people there. But at the end of the day, the reality is if Kat was on that beach, it was going to be me and Kat regardless. what is your take on the whole brocode jeremy bailey situation mainly not even like jeremy's actions just when uh brian brian tells bailey then everyone seems to get upset with brian um where where do you

stand on all that yeah i mean i and i'll be very clear brian did nothing wrong by telling bailey You know, I think there was a lot of heat on social media. People, you know, were talking, you know, like, oh, you talk about integrity and this and that. That had nothing to do with Brian speaking to Bailey. That had something to do that happened the week before. And also the reality is, like, Jeremy was my roommate, you know? Yeah. I talked to Jeremy and been like, bro, you got to have this conversation.

And, you know, that's something that he said he was going to have at the right time. And no one knew what Brian knew, you know. So the secret rendezvous and everything like that, like people didn't even really know what information was out there, right? I think a lot of people knew about the call. But Brian did nothing wrong in the act of like telling Bailey. And on my stance, it was just from conversations that happened before. And I think the intent around it rather than the action, if that makes sense. yeah that makes sense because i feel like that was strategy like um to get bailey to go home to get them voted out um and i have a very clear reason for that well who's but who's playing like is it obvious who's playing a game and then who's not there for the game and like is there something wrong is there something wrong with playing like i guess like competition right yeah yeah so there's there it's a competition uh and people are going to handle things, you know, the best way that they can. But also in a competition or in these challenges,

you have to have allies. And allies, like if you have those, those are built on trust. So if someone doesn't trust you, and this is something that I said, if people don't trust you, then you're out. That's not even an attack and saying that you're doing anything wrong. It's just the, the environment that you're in, right? And, you know, that was an interesting situation. And even just hearing the response from everyone on social media, because as cast members, we see absolutely everything, right? The audience sees what they see on camera. And ultimately, at the end of the day, everyone knows. And Jeremy knows this, you know, it was on him to communicate that.

He should have got spoken about it much, much earlier. And I think where a lot of this stuff went was, again, it wasn't the action. Brian did nothing wrong. Bailey deserved to know. And he only knew that information. Nobody else knew. But I think where other people were probably a little bit confused was the intent. And then, you know, even watching it back, like, you know, that level of compassion and patience, you know, they didn't see that with Poresa.

So it just was, you know, interesting that it happened in that moment with Bailey. Right. Before we let you go, we have to ask you about some of the comments. that were made by Alicia when she went on the Vile Files podcast recently. What did you think of some of the information that she shared regarding Kat? I mean, so I'll be super clear. I don't really dive into all the stuff going down. I just think it's interesting because when you, you know, you go on Paradise and you go on to find something.

Some people go on to get away from something. I know people who have been on The Bachelor and Bachelorette who wanted to get away from unhealthy relationships. But, you know, the stuff that Alicia talked about, to me it doesn't really carry that much weight. You know, I know, and I'm speaking from my perspective, how I act, how I feel, and the emotions and things that I've received,

you know, you can't have the level of connection and depth and what has developed through this season if you're not present and you're not all in on that person, right? So personally, like, you know, some of the things don't really line up. But at the end of the day, too, like, I'm grown, have conversations. It didn't, you know, make me think twice about anything. And I don't know.

I think it's just like it's not that big of deal. It's not that deep. Yeah. Would you, would it bother you if she was talking, like loosely talking to someone prior? Because what did Alicia say that she had like a boyfriend or something? Alicia said that Kat snuck in an iPad into Paradise and she was communicating with her boyfriend at the time who she was in an active relationship with while filming Paradise and that she was writing messages on. her body to hopefully be caught on camera as like subliminal messages those are bold those are bold those are bold accusations her her tattoos and self tanner her tattoos and self tanner so if if if that

if everything she said was true and now like we have no idea if this is the first time i'm hearing about it would would that be like a deal breaker for you or would you would you be like hey like she maybe maybe she was talking to someone prior to show but then we actually like fell in love yeah i think like you go on paradise you don't know if you're going to stay for a day a week the entire time i didn't know anything about anything before i walked in right so whatever i built um i was just focused on the present um and the reality is like if you build it like yeah you build something strong none of the other stuff matters. So for me, it's kind of like my approach even with conflict or if I felt like people were doing stuff behind my back on the show, like, dude, I like stuff doesn't affect me,

right? You know, I think if you're interested in someone and you're trying to build a relationship, you have conversations, you communicate, I understand what was built in the moments. And then, you know, you just take it from there. So and maybe that's just a level of security I have. Like, you know, all I can do is love and treat someone with the most respect possible. And if they want to be with me, they want to be with me. If not, I can't control that. But I never even thought about people's stuff before Paradise because I just didn't think it was that relevant. Yeah, and she didn't know you before Paradise.

I think that's a healthy outlook. Do you want to confirm or deny any of Alicia's claims? I mean, I can't confirm or deny. Come on, Dale. Confirm or deny. Just asking. No pressure. Honestly, like, it's not something I can confirm or deny because, yeah, I don't know.

Also, I just don't think it's that deep. You know, maybe that's just me, like, again, being secure with it. I just, I don't really care. All I care about is what, you know, I built, what we built. And from there, like, nothing else. matters because if it was that deep you know we wouldn't have even gotten to that point right she deaded it she deaded it before uh before the season started dead it dead it yeah and that's going to be a thing i i i'll own that i've been saying that for like 10 years and in locker

rooms that's where i heard it so many of my new york friends and it's not that hard to to to put together right like i ended it it it ceases to exist it's dead it's done i was following along I was following along with the debt of it. I thought it was like a credit debit situation. That's where I was going with it. That's, dude, Kat always thought everyone was speaking in like code. And I'm like, cat, I, you must have bad hearing because like, you know, some of these things are pretty clear. Pretty clear.

No, it's, it was a fun moment. Again, little rosé flowing. But again, you know, and I'll say this. I'll never apologize, like, I'll never. you know, try to shy away from something that happened. All you can do is learn from it, grow from it. But at the end of the day, like, people hang on to certain things. But if you actually watch the season, there's so much growth, there's so much humor,

there's a lot of really great moments. And I think that people watch this show and they fail to realize that, like, people are in intense situations, right? They're trying to find their person. And there's a lot of people who are putting it. on a show, right? But I told myself, I'm going to be imperfect. You know, I'm going to have some fun. If I make mistakes, that's great. That's a beauty because that's real. That's being a human being. And I think what people have seen is an honest look at like what most people have dealt

with in relationships. You know, someone can say, oh, you have a red flag, news flash. Everyone on the cast has a few red flags. Everyone watching the show has had red flags. But there's a lot more green and um you know it's it's just like it was really fun to see uh an experience um like a real growth arc within a relationship that was honest about triggers and tough moments and the whole nine yards and ultimately it's not just how you start it's how you finish right yeah yeah i think that's a good place to end this episode dale thank you so much for taking the time and uh hanging out with us Always a pleasure. We're excited to see how your journey unfolds.

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