Bachelor Happy Hour - Dean Talks ‘Paradise,’ Caelynn and His Infamous Van

Episode Date: September 11, 2019

Ali and Rachel are joined by Dean Unglert, who talks about his relationship with Caelynn, his time in “Paradise,” and his van life. Plus, Rachel is back and shares details about her wedding and honeymoon.Be sure to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ali, it feels so good to be back and to say that again. Yes, welcome. Rachel, I'm so excited. You're back. I know you're in New York right now doing press for your new show. I was listening. I was tuning in. you did a fantastic job well thank you that's very sweet and crystal came on she was my guest host

once and she was awesome so thank you to crystal but i'm so so happy to have you back rachel tell us all about your wedding how i mean obviously it was amazing i don't even know where to begin it was such a whirlwind i have to say it was beautiful it was everything that i wanted i just wanted there to be a lot of love a lot of fun and just everyone to just celebrate you know this this unity between brian and i off camera which was which was very very nice everybody had a good time. My main concern was people just needed to have fun. I wanted them to dance the night away, drink the night away, you know, make new friends and relationships. I actually think there might have been some couples that hooked up at the wedding too. Some love connections. Yeah, I really think

there might have been some love connections at the wedding. But it was a fantastic time. People were still talking about it a week later. And that's all Brian and I wanted. You could feel the love. Oh, I love that so much. And it looked, I know you wanted it to be just like a massive party. And I saw your Instagram, like the next morning Instagram stories. It looked like it was a party. Yeah, my weave was out. The liquor was still there in the bedroom. We had a good time. I mean, people jumped in the pool because the wedding was hot. There's no denying that. August, Mexico, it was hot. But it was fun and the energy was good and it was all great vibes. And I'm really, really happy with everything. And I have to give a shout out to my wedding planner because he did that. I had no vision.

I just kept saying, oh, I just want people to have fun. I just want people to have a good time. And he made it all come to life. And it was amazing. So what was your paper part? You know, tell me, you know, I know you said that you were, you guys were writing your own vows. How did that go? It went really well.

We wrote our vows early. I was actually proud of us. I did it a week before the actual wedding day. And funny story, Brian was very big on, he wanted our vows to be in this beautiful booklet in us to read them to each other. And he left his in the hotel room. So he had to read his vows from his brother's phone. And he was so upset, but I was like, people didn't notice.

I mean, they notice now because I'm telling everybody. But it was what he said was beautiful. It didn't matter how he had the vows written. It was what he was saying. And I feel like I told a little bit of a story with mine. And it was beautiful. I'm really glad that we did that. That was really important to me because so much of what we did was on camera.

and our family and friends saw us from a distance. And this was us expressing our love to each other in front of our close family and friends in our words. And that's why I really wanted to write our own bowels. I know that we were talking a little bit before about whether or not there would be tears. Were there tears? The only tears were from Brian's mom. She was very emotional, happy tears. It's not like, oh, my God, I'm giving my son away.

She was very, very happy. And I thought that I was going to cry. I almost had Brian, and when I was giving my vows, he was like, you really almost got me at one point. But I think I was just so excited. There was just too much going on for me to get emotional. I thought I would, but I didn't. Well, I'm so glad that you guys had such a good time at the wedding. And the honeymoon?

How was that? Your guys' photos looked unreal. The honeymoon was better than I even imagined. I knew I wanted to go to Greece, but I also wanted to go to Italy. And then we just decided, okay, we're just going to do grease. It's just too much. And Greece was stunning. It was everything that I wanted in a honeymoon. It was relaxing. We were able to just immerse ourselves in the culture, but at the same time, enjoy each other. And it wasn't too crowded. It wasn't crazy. We toured the Santorini by land. Then we did the whole thing by sea. And then we went to Mekonos. We realized that we're not young anymore and we can't party like we used. to, but we still had it such a good time. I mean, Greece is absolutely stunning. And then I'm a history buff. So it was important for me to go to Athens and see the Acropolis and everything that that had to offer. And so it was, it was really, really a nice time. I recommend everybody

go to Greece if you haven't already. It's on my bucket list. I have not been. It's funny that you mentioned not being as young as you once were. Once my husband and I figured that out, like, oh, we're not quite as young as we once were. That's when we started thinking about making babies. So get out, Rachel. We're not there yet. I did party in Mika, though. So not going to lie. We actually had friends that were in Greece at the exact same time. So we had a really good time, but we could only do one day. Day two, we were done. You're like, let's nap on the couch as husband and wife. So how does it feel, Mrs. Abasolo? Feels good. I mean, in a lot of ways, I feel the same, but it's just little things where I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm married. Funny

enough, I had a friend actually in New York say something, and he said, oh, congrats, Rach. And I said, you know, it's still big Rach, right? And he said, oh, I don't know if things changed because you got married. And I said, oh, no, I will always and forever be big rage. That's not going to change. So a lot hasn't changed, but it is still a beautiful thing that now I'm a Mrs. Brian's wearing a ring, you know, just calling each other husband and wife referring to each other in that way. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I feel like a little kid and giddy in that sense. I know. It is so fun when you first get married saying like my husband. So I'm so happy for you guys. And you right now in New York doing a bunch of press for your new show. So I feel like you probably

get to say that a lot and it's probably fun. I, funny enough, I haven't, I keep saying Brian instead of husband. Well, stop. Start saying husband. I know. I need to do that. I'll do it. I'll do it tomorrow, but it is the first time that I've been away from Brian since the wedding and the honeymoon. And so I feel like I'm missing him more than ever right now. Oh, well, you guys will be reunited soon. Well, Rachel, thank you for sharing. I can't wait to, I hope you share more and more photos as you get them from your wedding photographer. Will you please? I will. I will. I have, we have a lot of photos to share. We were big on not putting things on social media. We just really wanted people to be in the moment. And then, you know, we, we're telling people now that they can

start sharing some things. But for us, we wanted it a little bit more private. Totally. I completely understand that. Well, we have a really good show today. And, you know, speaking of couples, hopefully making it happily ever after, I'm really rooting for Caitlin and Dean. And he's on the show today. I'm so excited. So don't go anywhere, guys. We have Dean coming up next. Hey guys, we are back, and I am so excited. Rachel, I know you are too, because you have a very special place in your heart for Dean, and he's on a podcast today. Hi, guys. Thanks for having me. I, like, very awkwardly brought you in. Hi, Dean.

It's hard to know no one to jump in exactly, you know? Yeah. We're so excited that you're here today. How did you get here today? I drove my van. I was looking for it in the parking structure when I came in. Oh, it's well too tall to be in the parking structure. Oh, it is. It has to be street parking only. Okay.

Oh, so this is like the real deal. It's, I mean, in my mind, I have a certain type of van that I think it looks like, like no windows. Oh, that's really creepy. Well, that's how I see it in my head. Like rusted over. Yeah. Orange and brown.

Yeah. You know, that's how I see it. So this is like the real deal. Yeah. Tell us about the van. It's like a Mercedes sprinter van. Oh, like a high top sprinter van. It's got like solar panels on the top, a big roof rack.

I mean, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like luxury vanning. It's like glamping. It's like camping versus glamping. There's like vanning and then glamming or something. Yeah, I mean, sure. Glanving. I don't even know how to say it. See, I feel like I know.

I'm going to go back to the vision that I had. And I think that I also saw it that way because of the mustache, like it just totally fit with the whole look. So in my mind, I'm going to go back. I'm going to find a picture of it and send it to you, Dean. I really had to round out the aesthetic. with the mustache, you know? Well, that's the thing, Rachel, you're calling in right now from New York so you can't see Dean right now, but he has, the mustache is back. We're in the early stages of the

mustache. It's like a week of growth right now. Okay, Dean, I'm a fan of your mustache. I know, like legitimately, I was talking to somebody about mustaches and they're particularly more for the older gentleman, but I think it works for you. I say keep it. I appreciate that. So here's the thing with the mustache is I can't really grow like a full beard, like on my cheeks. It just doesn't grow in properly. And my chin hair is like really wiry. And for lack of a better word, very pubic looking. And so if I shave the chin to the skin and keep the stash, like it's really the only form of facial hair that I could like have that doesn't look horrible. Granted, it still looks really bad. And I appreciate you the kind of words, Rachel. But like it.

I know, that's nice of you to say. Maybe I should have had the mustache on your season. Things could have gone a little bit better. Unimportant. That's unimportant. Maybe so. Do you, does the mustache have, a name? I never even thought to name it. I mean, if you want to name it, feel free. By the end of the podcast, I'll have a name for it. Okay. That sounds like a good idea. I thought you were going to say something like, I just celebrate Movember all year long. You could go with that next time. That would work, too, rather than, you know, the pubic hair on the face. Trying to end prostate cancer one mustache, one mustache at a time. Exactly. Exactly. So we're so excited you're

here. I almost want to dive right into the episode. Because, but I feel like we got to go. back. I feel like we've got to start from the beginning, right? Like, why did you, because you've had a rough, you had a rough go around at Paradise the first time around? So what made you want to come back? Uh, that's a great question, actually. I was actually really on the fence about going back. So I was in Japan when they called me the first time. And they're like, hey, we want to consider like bringing you back to Paradise this time. And at that moment, I was like, absolutely not. There's not a snowflakes chance in hell I'm going to go back. I'm just not interested. And then some time we're on. I talked to some of my friends. And eventually I was just like, like, why not? Like, what am I going to miss out on? And if I do go. And obviously, yeah, I had a rough time two seasons ago, mostly just because of my own inability to make a proper decision. And I feel like I've grown a bit since then. And so I felt like it was a good opportunity for me to go back and just, like, kind of have more fun with it than take it.

Because, like, everyone this season, it seems like is taking it so seriously, is so dramatic and it's so just like, I don't know, very intense with their emotions. And I've been on the show one too many times, perhaps, four times to be specific. And so I kind of went in and I was like, whatever, I don't really know what's going to happen, but I know that whatever happens doesn't really matter at the end of the day. So I'm just going to have fun with it. And that was kind of my mindset going in. I think that's what a lot of people want to know. Okay, you did decide to go to Paradise.

Great. But what were you expecting? Were you, did you have any kind of goal? I mean, obviously the goal of all these shows is to find love at the end of this. So what were you thinking? Were you kind of like, nah? Well, the thing about living in a van is there's not much hot water. The plumbing, you know, is a little tricky sometimes.

So it was nice to, like, get a bed and get a toilet and a shower. I mean, honestly, I had no idea. I thought that I was just going to be down there for a little bit. And I wasn't, like, going to put forth an effort to making connection with someone. And that's actually kind of one of my biggest pet peeves with people that go to Paradise specifically is they go in with the mindset of saying, I'm going to leave this show in a relationship. And I don't care who it's with as long as I'm leaving in a relationship. And in my opinion, that's so much worse than what I did in terms of going in not looking for one.

Because then it's like you're putting all of your priorities and needs aside because you want to be in a relationship that isn't with the right person. And so like if you're fighting all of these things and that ends up happening, I think that makes a stronger relationship than going and saying, I don't care what happens. I want a relationship. And you see that happen and you see them fail all the time. I don't know the success rate of paradise, but it's definitely not good. I would say like maybe one or two relationships every year end up working out. It's better than The Bachelor and The Bachelorette. I would say there's probably a higher number, but I would say it's a less percentage.

Dean, you do realize what show you're on, right? So you realize you can't be shocked by these people that come in and say, I'm going to find the love of my life. Yeah. I'm going to. And I think this is where when I'm like, gosh, Dean has a special place in my heart because I relate to you. I don't. I was just like, I'm open for whatever. We'll see what happens.

I feel like that's how you came on to my season. You brought like a small bag and two suits or something like that. Oh, yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, like you were like, you know, you never expected it to go the way that you did or stay as long as you did. And I think that when you go in with that mindset, you come out pleasantly surprised, which is what seemed to happen to you this season. Yeah, I think that I kind of carried that mindset over even to the first paradise. I thought I was only going to be there for a couple days. But then this time around, it's just kind of the same thing where it's like, I think like you said, if you plan for, obviously you want to plan for success, right?

But also a lot of people go in there. I think like one of the guys on your season, I can't remember his name Mo. He packed like six suitcases and then you sent him home night one and he's devastated. I would much rather have what happened to me than have that happen, you know, where you're like, your expectations are so high and then you just get so devastated in such a short amount of time. And I actually like how you're talking about it. I like to talk about that show, the show that way, too, of like, I think the people that go on saying, like, I'm going to find love, it's almost a little nutty in a way. Like, it's like most people go on the Bachelor and Bachelorette to have a good time. Like, not knowing what to expect, like I'm open to finding love, but I'm ready to have a good time.

And I think, too, you know, Rachel, we talked about this on the podcast a few weeks back, how, about the pity kisses or, like, not pity kisses, but the desperation kisses where people, like, kiss at the cocktail parties in Bachelor and Paradise just. to get a rose and like how yucky it is. So I like that you're just on the total opposite spectrum. Yeah. And, you know, it seems like you did you did fall for somebody. Well, one of the girls that did one of the pity kisses, too, for the rose in the beginning with Cam. And I'm going to piggyback on something you're saying

since you brought up Kalin, and we definitely have a lot to talk about with her. I, it seems like, since you brought it up and you brought up Kalin, it seems like the people that you describe go on the show and say that they're going to fine, you know, the love of their life or this is going to happen. That was Kaelin on the show. Do you all agree with you? And I, I knock her for that quite often, too. I think that she definitely went into the show wanting to leave with a boyfriend. And it shows because obviously she

kissed Cam so she could stay around a little bit longer. I don't, maybe she was interested to get any to know more. I don't think so. No, she was not. I can't speak for her. I don't want to assume for her. We'll speak for her. No, she was not. Like, she was not into him. As soon as I left, I noticed that so she expressed interest. On my first conversation with her, she was like, the person I'm most excited to meet here is Connor S. And so she liked me a lot over the course of my time there.

And then I left and then Connor came and she got really attached to Connor, but she was really interested in Connor to begin with. And I know that she wanted to leave the show in a relationship. And I agree with what you're saying. And I dogg her on that because it just, it's not really conducive to like the most successful relationship. You're going to find someone that's not suited for you. but suited for what you want and if that's only a relationship it's not necessarily the best

thing in the world but i agree with what you're saying and uh i don't know i guess she's just a relationship girl she wants to be in a relationship and you know i think that's more common in women that you see that go on the show for some reason right like for one reason or another they go in and they're willing to um compromise their own value to leave in a relationship with a guy that maybe isn't proper for them. I think that's age. Is that right? I don't know.

I do kind of feel like it seems like more often than not. The girl's like, oh, I want to get engaged and the guy is more like, I don't know. I mean, I don't know the exact numbers. But just as a viewer, I do actually think you're right, Dean. I do think the women are more wanting the engagement in the end. And because of that, they're willing to sacrifice their own values more. Yeah. Which is a bummer because that's what leads to the broken relationships that you see.

Okay. Let me go ahead and preface this, Dean. You know me, but I don't know if you know this. I'm just going to be 100% honest. I am not a huge fan of Caitlin. Okay. That's fine. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. Right, right, right. I know you're not going to think any different of me for saying this. I'm just want to be honest. So when I'm asking these questions, and I'm honestly excited to talk to you because I'm thinking maybe you can give me some clarity into how she is because I'm only able to see from what I what I see on TV. And I like to think I'm a good judge of character. And I just, I don't get it. I don't, I don't. What do you don't get? What do you don't get?

Her or his relationship with her? Oh, no, I'm not going to talk about his relationship. Oh. I mean her. So I guess I'll just start off asking you, what do you like about Caitlin? What, what, I don't, there, from what I watch, there's not a lot of depth. What, what are you, what do you, what do you, what do you,

like about Kaylin. Well, I think that you can know just about as well as anyone that the things that you see on TV isn't an accurate reflection of exactly who that person is. You know, you're kind of, you're kind of slotted into a character role when you're on the show, and that's the only side that the audience is going to see from you. Hmm. I would say that if you were only on one season. Okay. So you've seen her on Colton's end this season. I mean, she's dynamic. She is someone, I obviously have like a very sarcastic and dry sense of humor. And my friendships involve me giving my friends a lot of like crap sarcastically and like joking around with them often. My relationships up until this relationship currently have involved me trying to be able to

express my humor as I do with my friends, but not necessarily being allowed to do that. The great thing about Kalyn is she is an intelligent person and dynamic enough to be able to take my humor in and then spit it right back at me. So I'm not like actually enjoying my time spending with her because I'm not having to like filter myself or watch what I say because I'm worried about. about offending her or hurting her feelings. You know what I mean? That's like my biggest,

that's my favorite thing about her is that I can be myself, which is a rarity in my experience at least. Yeah. And I think too, like, I like what you said about you can't really ever know somebody by watching them on The Bachelor and the Bachelor

and Paradise, Bachelor, Bachelor, Bachelor, Bachelor of Paradise, Bachelor, Bachelorette, because we only see, I mean, all three of us know that on these shows, it's pretty much filmed 18 hours a day, if not more. Yeah. And that is broken down. so then over a course of a week and then broken down to two hours of television.

So that's, you know, over a hundred hours worth of footage with a bunch of different people where we're only seeing little bits of it. So I don't think that that's why I think I tend to give people so much slack on the show is because I feel like we don't actually know ever what's truly going on. Because editing is a powerful force. You put a scene of somebody and put lovey-dovey music behind it and they could be, a complete A-hole, but with that lovey-dovey music, they seem like a good person because the lovey-d-d-wis playing and vice versa, same way.

And maybe that's why I have a different take, because I feel like what you saw of me was who I am. And so maybe that's why, maybe I'm a little bit harsher. I mean, at the end of the day, at the end of course, they could only air it and show things that you say and do, right? So whatever they air you've done. but maybe they didn't have maybe you just had the ability to show more of your I guess range emotionally intellectually et cetera I don't know I guess I haven't really put much thought into it but so well and let me tell you where what my basis comes from let's talk about that so one side so we did see something with Kalin and we saw something on social media with Kalin and before Just to give you some background on our podcast, before Blake released the tweets,

Allie and I had podcasted, and I kept saying that I had issues with Kaylin. I said, something doesn't add up to me. Something doesn't make sense. And then Blake released the text messages, which I don't agree with, but he did it, and we saw them. So this is a girl that you're interested in, and you're watching her say one thing, on TV. And then you're seeing something else shown on social media. What was your initial reaction? To the text messages? Yeah. You knew about the text messages before Blake released them to the world, right? Yeah. I mean, I discussed with Blake before he did it and

encouraged him that it was a bad idea. So what did you think about the text messages when you saw them versus what he was telling people on TV? I think that it's easy to pick and curate a certain small portion of a conversation to define the narrative that you want to define. I'm not saying that Kaylin's innocent in all this. I never said, I'd never said that. I've been pretty critical of her actions, obviously, for those types of, like, she was overdramatic, right, on the first couple episodes of Bachelor in Paradise with the whole Blake situation. And she knows that. Obviously, like, her and I have had a lot of, like, private conversations with each other.

Like, that's a big thing with her is she's, you know, she's been in the pageant world for so long. she needs to try and put on like this brave face and like pretend like everything's okay. And I'm constantly trying to remind her like, look, you can be open and honest with me, like be vulnerable with me. Tell me all these things. Like show me all your skeletons in your closet, right? I want to see them. I'd rather hear it from you than hear it from someone else.

So well before Blake shared these text messages, I was obviously well aware of the situation. So you talked to him before he released them. Yeah. I was made aware that he was planning on releasing them. He was planning on releasing them for a while as far as I know. And I was like, look, man, I know this. sucks like your situation is brutal right now people are like giving you a lot of shit online about this that's going on right now there's just better ways for you to handle the situation to like

to plead your case than to post private text messages on your social media i get it like yes it absolves you it makes you appear more innocent in the situation but it just is like a tacky thing to do in my opinion you don't share private text messages and you know he decided to do it anyway obviously and i come to find out like a lot of his friends his PR his management all of these People are telling him not to do it at all. And, you know, I don't think Blake's a bad guy. I think that he obviously wanted to, like, prove he was a little bit more innocent than he was being made out to be. But again, like I said, Caitlin's not innocent in all of it either.

Like, she made a lot of bad decisions. She is obviously, we're all human, you know. But there was never any, like, deceit involved on my end, if that's what you're asking. No. Oh, you mean, you didn't think she was deceitful. Is that what you're saying? Towards me. Oh.

Yeah, I wasn't asking about you. I just, I just was curious as, you know, someone that you're starting a new relationship with and you're building, you know, trust and or trying to build a foundation and all of that. And then all of this comes out. Did it make you question the type of person that she is? Oh, hell yeah. Well, especially me too. I always keep people at an arm's length. And then so it's like, you know, I went back to the beach to ask you my girlfriend before. Like I had versions of this. I spent time on the beach with Blake and her. They squirt. washed everything. Everything was fine by the time I had gotten there. But it's like I made this promise to this person that I want to be in a relationship with them. And then all this stuff comes out and it's challenging. But I think just at the end of the day it's communication, right? Like that's what I was telling. I was like, just be open and honest with me about everything. So that way, when I hear it from you, it's going to not feel bad at all versus hearing it from someone in the news or something like that. You know what I mean? And there were like speed bumps and there were

setbacks and stuff like that. But at the end of day, it's just like stuff that you have to work through and like I'm trying my hardest I've never really been the best at relationships before so I'm like I'm really like hunker like hunkering down and being like all right well we're going to figure this shit out and hopefully come out the other side stronger okay dean I'm not going to let you off the hook just yet alley and I have so many more things to talk to you about but we're going to take a super quick break and then we'll get back to this in just a minute all right hey guys welcome back um dean I feel like you this has been like intense so far yeah I'm on the hot seat right right now. No, I'm just kidding. It's fine. I get it. I knew exactly what I'm

I have questions. I just want to say, like, Hatsi in a good way. Like, I like seeing yours and Dean's relationship, like, you know, from you guys being on The Bachelorette together and like seeing you guys chat. Like, I feel like it's like you can get really in there. But I'm as excited

to talk to Dean because I know that he's going to keep it real and he's going to be honest about it and he's not going to be offended by anything I say. He's just going to be like, oh, that's just Rachel. She's just asking a question. So I'm really You take it too easy on me sometimes, I feel like. Oh, let me, let me crack my knuckles and get back to it.

Yeah, don't tell her that because she's coming in hot. Well, let's go back, I guess, a little bit for a second, because I want to get all of the story. Let's talk about you leaving Kailen in the first place. So you were there. You guys were together. You had a really great relationship, as it seemed to all of us. You had some questions, and you left. First, why did you leave?

And two, why did you leave on her birthday? I knew that question. going to come. I can't help it when her birthday is. But couldn't you just have waited till the next day? No. No, I couldn't have. Why? Um, and it was like, do I do it then or do I wait another week and a half while this girl continues to like build feelings and emotions for me and then do it then and make it 50 times worse? So it was to this point. And I think I mentioned too that, you know, she was interested in Connor. I knew Connor was coming down to the beach eventually. I knew that if I was there on the beach with her and Connor who she had expressed interest in, I would be kind of

not getting in the way, but it would not allow her to fully explore a relationship that she was very excited about initially. So I was like, you know what, I'm not going to be here. I'm not going to be her boyfriend. She's not going to be my girlfriend. I'm just going to leave and allow her to explore a relationship with someone else that I know she's interested in. That's a really nice thing to do. I thought it was nice too. The birthday thing made it a little trickier. So you didn't really know right until her birthday. Like you were undecided up until that point. So the morning of the rose ceremony that I broke up with her at, I was like, yeah, everything was fine. I didn't really question it because like I said, I was overly communicating my

thoughts the entire time. So I thought everyone was on the same page. And then I had a conversation with one of my buddies because like I said, we were all open about it. And eventually we came to the conclusion that it was like, if I don't do it now, it's just going to suck. Every day that I wait, it's going to suck even more. It just sucked that her birthday obviously fell on the same day that it made sense for me to do it on. I wanted to give her the rose so she could continue to stay on the beach and explore that. And I guess I could have waited until the morning, but it just didn't work out that way. So that's why. I mean, if you would have done it the next day, they would have been like, oh my God, her birthday was just yesterday. It was just a bad situation, you know?

If anything, I should be pissed off at her parents for having her at that time of year. Why didn't have her in like April or something? Well, she's Gemini? I think so, yeah. Okay. Okay. Classic Taurus. So one thing I actually want to touch based on that you said earlier in the podcast, when we talked about you in last season and you, like, I wrote it down because I thought it was interesting. You said you had an inability to make a proper decision when you're referring to like Christina, I'm assuming. But do you think it was that or do you also think that Christina just wasn't the right girl for you? Because I've referred to you, and don't let this go to your head, but I've referred to you on my blog as like the George Clooney of The Bachelor. world. Oh, I'll take it. Heck yeah. But this is why. This is why. And the reason I think that is because

you're like the notorious bachelor, right? Like notorious bachelor, he's never going to settle down. You know, he's going to be single for his whole life. He's a wanderer. He lives, you know, George Clooney kind of flies a private jet everywhere. You're in your van. Same same. Same thing. But all it took was a mall. Once he met a mall, everybody's like, it's not that he didn't want to settle down. It was that he didn't find the right person. So is it more of that? Do you think of why I didn't work out with Christina last year or you or a combination. Oh, I mean, it's a million reasons why Christina I never worked out. And I like Christina. Don't get me wrong. I was, I don't know if you guys saw the episode where she comes

and talks to me on the daybed right as I'm trying to win Caitlin back. I was actually really annoyed with her in that situation just because it didn't really feel like she belonged there at that moment. I was like, you don't really have a horse in this race. So I don't understand why you over here talking to me. I liked Christina a lot. It's just we were so incompatible when it came to our just who we are emotionally every in every aspect of who we are as individuals we just weren't compatible um and i was like i was genuinely in love with her uh it just is one of those things that didn't work out like there were times where i was convinced that she was going to be my wife we were going to have a future together have kids and all that kind of stuff and then as like

time progressed and things moved on and we began to like show each other sides of ourselves that's i don't know like we hadn't seen and we're all like super stubborn people and it just was like It was one of those things where it just didn't make sense for us to be together. You know what I mean? And so I don't think that, I don't know. I guess I don't really know where I stand with all that stuff. I know that I don't know. I was in my train of thought.

Well, Kaelin, obviously something was different with her. You know, do you think it was that you had changed? Because you hadn't changed coming into paradise. Coming into paradise, you were very steadfast about I'm not living here with a relationship. But something about her changed that for you. I think that I'm a much different person now than I am than I was when I was dating Christina. Yeah. Like, now I have interests and hobbies and goals and all these things that I maybe had before, but not to the extent that I have now.

And, like, I have more of a better sense of my own identity now than I did then. And I think that that's a big reason. Like, that's why Kailen and I could potentially work is because I'm able to go off and do my own thing. And she's able to stay and do her own thing or go off and do her own thing. I don't have to worry about, like, leaving town for more than a couple weeks at a time if I'm traveling or doing whatever I'm doing. And I just never got that from Christina, who again, like, I think that she's someone that obviously wants to be in a relationship as well. So she leaves Blake on the beach, which is sad. I don't know about that whole thing, but that doesn't matter.

At the end of the day, I like Christina. I just don't think that her and I were ever destined to be together. You know what I mean? I think it's all about. I feel like I'm talking in circles. No, I think it's all about what you said is it's so true. It's all about timing, too. I think maybe in a different time and place, you and Christina could have worked out.

but you were in a different place and so was she to be honest and this is just me speaking as her friend and I think that right now timing works for you and Kalen for whatever it is that you have going on in your lives it just works I keep saying relationships are like a muscle and unless you work them out you're never going to get stronger with them and that's always been a mindset similar to the Clooney where I'm like I'm just going to stay single until I find someone that's exactly perfect for me and I'm not saying that Kalen's definitely not 100% perfect for me We're so very, very, very different to the core almost. But I am putting forth the effort to be in a relationship

to hopefully continue to progress and improve at it. And I did prioritize a relationship with Christine in the past, but there was too much codependency, I think, on each other that Christine and I had that isn't as present with Caitlin and myself, potentially. I really hesitated on weighing in on my opinions when it comes to you and Kalen. because I got so much flack during Winter Games. I was so pissed off at every single cast member that night at Bachelor Winter Games. We did the kissing competition or whatever, the thing that you were there for, and we're all upstairs.

Like, you guys are doing ITMs. And everyone was like standing around each other, like you do in high school, it's like gossiping or whatever. And everyone was like, dude, Rachel was so mean. What the hell? She was being such a jerk. And I was looking around. I was like, you guys, no, she wasn't. First of all, and second of all, she's like, she's playing a play.

part of being that she's like the Simon Cowell of the kissing competition for Bachelor Winter Games how do you not understand that and like none of them none of them understood it and I was getting so I was like she's you're just all so wrong it was so frustrating I'm sorry that's I just had to add well thank you for saying that I feel like you and I for different reasons are misunderstood in this Bachelor nation world but you know I that's why I truly I didn't want to talk about you and Kalin because I didn't want people to come at me again and they will whatever. It is what it is. I'm used to it at this point. But what do you say to people who misunderstand you and who say, you know what, this is just Dean. Here goes Dean again. His pattern of

love him and leave him. Can't figure out what it is that he wants to do. He leaves paradise, has an epiphany, comes back, takes Kalin away. I mean, what do you say to the haters? Because, you know, they're going to say something um i used to take it to heart especially after it's such it was such a weird contrast between uh going off of your season where for the large majority i felt like i was like a beloved contestant and then going through paradise where i was very heavily scrutinized for the decisions that i made proper like rightfully so i should have been scrutinized um so i've seen like both sides of like the the good and the bad and the first time through paradise i like took a lot of it to heart i was like wow these people really hate me this is really i'm struggling with us a lot

Now, when people talk crap, it's like the most, I just think it's hilarious. I really enjoy being misunderstood, honestly. Like, it's one of my favorite things. Like, by nature, I'm a contrarian. So if I'm expected to do one thing, I would rather prefer to do the other thing. And if someone expects something of me, I almost kind of like tried to be the opposite of that, for better or for worse. Like, it's not really a positive characteristic of mine. I just, I like to be unpredictable in that sense.

and so when I see people being like heavily critical of like me living in my van or one of the biggest I guess insults quote unquote that I've been getting lately is that Dean is turning into his father and that one that one kind of piss me off because it's bringing my family into it and it's like just don't just don't talk about my family I talk about me all you want but don't talk about my family but at this point I just like laugh at it I'm like retweeting negative comments on me because it's like these people have nothing better to do than talk crap about someone that they see on TV which is great like do that but I'm not taking any of it to heart. You know what I mean?

I think that Kalen's getting it more than you, though. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So how do you, you know, I know you can't confirm or deny the status of your relationship today, but obviously, regardless of whether you guys are together in this moment, you guys had a very, you guys were together after Paradise, I'm guessing, for some time. Sure. You obviously care for her, regardless of the status now.

Like, how do you feel about that? Like, do you feel protective over her of people being so critical? I think that I have a duty to stand up for her publicly and obviously privately too while encouraging her to do her own path of growth and understanding and acceptance of all these things. So yes, like I couldn't, I can't like go on a podcast where we're talking about all this kind of stuff and not defend her. What are you telling her to get through these things? I think that having been through it as many times as I have, it's very apparent the attention span of the average viewer that watches the show. none of this stuff matters. No one cares about the show a week after it's done airing, right? Like,

the fact that people like take it to heart so deeply, it's understandable, especially at first. Like, she's been on two seasons now, on my second season, like I said, I was struggling with it. It's just like the lended perspective that I have now going through it as many times as I have. It just no one cares. So it's like I try to continuously remind her. Even Blake, like, when Blake released a text message, I was like, Blake, just wait a week, man. In a week, no one's going to be talking about this anymore. do it then if you still feel so motivated to but then on the other side of it for Kaelin specifically it's like yeah she's going through this difficult time and Rachel I'm sure you can attest to this too when you catch heat

on your season but you know that the season ends well for you it's like how could you really be that upset about it like yeah people are talking shit about Kately right now but she knows that at the end of the show she could be leaving with a boyfriend and because of that like just be happy like Rachel people were being

very negative to you I'm sure at times but at the end of the show, you were engaged to a man that you love. And so it's like, yeah, it sucks to see people say bad things, but you still got what you wanted and you're happy and you're in love. So it's like, how upset could you really be? You know what I mean? People were mean when I made my decision, actually. They were nice to me the whole time.

And then when I made my decision, people turned on me. And again, a testament to the average audience member that is the same person that's talking shit to you on Twitter and Instagram and how you should never put much stock in the things. they're saying. I think that you're, I don't know, like Ali said, I don't know the status of your relationship with Kaelin and I have already expressed that I'm not a fan, but I'm a fan of you. And I like listening to you talk, I think that you are really good for her. Thanks, Rage. I know, I'm so serious just because certain things that you said, and I really hope

this comes through on the podcast, certain things that you said about how. she tries to play one card and you're like you know what just be yourself just let loose them yourself like sometimes you just need that person to bring that out of you to show that to tell you that it's okay you can do it and the world's not going to end at the end of the day just if you if you allow yourself to be yourself and I think that that's one of the things that initially even from Colton season I had an issue with Kaylin about I felt she was so plastic and I felt like she wasn't letting loose and being herself. So I was like, I can't get you because there's just such a facade

on your entire behavior. So I think somebody like you can bring that out of her. And then I think that, you know, she could be a little bit more relatable. Do you think she's like that in real life, though? Is that like just a bachelor thing? Because sometimes people can put up a facade and a wall on your cameras falling you around. It's kind of weird. Yeah, you can just like turn it on like a switch. I think that it's not going to change overnight. I think that someone like her who's kind of been,

you know, she's been trained to be, like, via the pageants, she's been trained to, like, answer questions and have this, you know, script in her head where she recites answers that are appropriate for the setting. And that can be good in a certain world, like, i.e., the pageant world, but on reality television, it couldn't come across as a facade, as Rachel said. It's a process, right? Like, it's not going to happen overnight.

And she's, like, aware, like, she's very, well aware of it she even says i think on the show at one point that she's like yeah i'm this pageant person and i'm just like trying to figure out how to not like assimilate back into regular life but you know it's it if you are this person for so long then you kind of like get i can know accustomed to acting that way consistently so it's just it's it's a process and she's gotten i i mean my experience with her every day she's become realer and realer and realer and realer and more honest and more honest and more vulnerable etc and like i'm not like the the shining pinnacle of vulnerability, right?

Like, I struggle with all of this stuff as well. And so it's, like, kind of two broken, winged birds trying to learn how to fly together sort of thing, which it's like the blind leading the blind in a sense, right? But it's a process, and things are, yeah, consistently getting better. So do you think that maybe Kalin that is portrayed in the show is different than the Kalin that you got to know after the show? I think the Kalin that we see on the show,

she's very emotional and she can be very judgmental at times which is frustrating to see like i i express that to her sometimes too whereas like look i don't i don't know if i necessarily want to be dating someone that is this judgmental like critical person of other people like i'm critical too of other people all the time but judgmental and all that kind of stuff it's not like the best skill or characteristic to embody and who she is off camera is much different than who she's on camera But at the same time, there are still similarities and parallels to be drawn between the two. So, you know, she's young. She's 24.

She's trying to figure it all out. And she's very committed and dedicated to, like, A, bettering herself, B, being a good partner and C, like, trying to navigate her life all at the same time. And I'm very much in that same boat. I think maybe I'm a little further along than she is just because I've been in the world a little bit longer than she has. But like I said, it's not going to happen overnight. It's always a process. And that's kind of why we're like, you know, I came back to the beach and I made a commitment to this person to try and figure it out with her. And that's what we're working on. And I will just say, because I want to kind of show the flip side of things. I, of course, respect all Rachel's opinions. But I am a fan of Caitlin. I think that she, you know, she's young. I think she's figuring herself out. I think that she's a people pleaser. She wants to be loved. And I empathize with that. When I watch her, I just want to, like, give her a hug and say, like, you don't have to say that judgment.

thing about that person. You don't have to, you know, say that thing about Blake, like, you know, and just say, you're good enough as you. You know, I feel like she just, she did some soul searching on the show. And I'm sure, as you keep saying, she will continue to in her life. But I just feel for her. I feel like she's a young girl who wears her heart on her sleeve and just wants to be loved. And I can just relate to that in so many ways. Yeah. And I agree with what you said, the people pleasing aspect of it. And I'm like, you know, throughout the whole time that we spent together, We're trying to break away at that, like, don't be a people pleaser. It's good at times, sure, but at the end of the day, if you're, like, sacrificing parts of yourself to please other people that you don't even know, like strangers on the internet, just don't be that person.

Just do what's right by you. And if people like you, they like you, and if they don't, they don't. And I think that's why I relate to her so much. I'm 10 years older than her, and I think over the years I've learned a little bit more. I mean, in general, people try to say that I, like, do that because I'm nice to everybody. I'm nice to everybody because I have a daughter, and I always just imagine, I'm a son, and that them being, you know, put out in the public this way. So I always, like, think of the contestants on the show as all my little children.

You too, Dean. But at the end of the day, I think I also am similar to her in the sense that, like, I worry about what people think about me. So I think that's where I just sort of relate to her in a lot of ways. Yeah. Well, we actually have to take a quick break. But when we come back, we want to find out what you think about all the current couples on Bachelor in Paradise. So you guys don't go anywhere. here's the thing about my relationships post-batchelor from the bachelor all of the girls that I've dated publicly from the bachelor franchise I'm not going to name names but they've always been regarded as like these great women and they are good they're great people I'm fucking fantastic well you and I technically date post show is the point that I'm trying to make I'm sorry I thought you said during the show no no no no post show there's two girls that I dated you know very publicly post show both after parents are

the first time in Winter Games, the only time. And it was always kind of regarded as I was the lesser version of them, and they were always like kind of slum in it to be with me and how they were always so much better than me. And like the toll of that just puts on a relationship is kind of frustrating from my perspective because it's like what the public perceives and what the relationship actually is, is it's misaligned. It's not right.

And so there's like a certain amount of undue pressure that gets put on a relationship and me specifically when the entire world thinks that the girl that I'm dating is slumming it by dating me and like, why is that girl with him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, when in reality it's it's just like, it's just another girl and it's just another guy that are dating. There's no specialties really between the two of them, right? And so now in this case... You don't have that problem. Exactly.

And I've told her this, but I've communicated this with her before. I was like, the fact that you're regarded as kind of like a mean, catty person at times on the show is almost relieving to me because it reminds. remove so much pressure for me to, I guess, to try to prove to other people that I'm worth your time, in a sense, if that makes sense. And I don't really know if I'm accurately describing it, but it removes a lot of pressure for me to be in this relationship. It makes a lot of sense, honestly. But the thing is, obviously, you don't think that about her, right? What do you mean? That she's a mean, catty person. No, I mean, she has her moments, I think. Obviously,

we've seen it all on television. And she knows that she's been that person, and I've pointed out to her that she's that person sometimes and that she needs to figure that out and hopefully can like amend the situation in some sort of way and she oh sorry dean i'm so sorry no go so sorry i don't mean to cut you off such a rude i was just going to say i and i set this to alley before it's not what people say i watch the way people move right and then i and then i maybe i couple it with what people say. Let's let us not forget the the and I'm using air quotes here the pageant drama that Hannah and Kalin had on Colton season and the thing and Hannah kept referring to her as you know more so being a mean girl and it's like okay whatever this just seems like these two were too competitive

then you fast forward and you see this and you're like maybe there was a little bit of truth in in that. Then what she apparently said during Colton's season, which was debated as well, and it's like not once, not twice, three times. I mean, when people show you who they are, who they are, you kind of have to start believing them. Good segue into talking about these couples. So let's start with, because this is actually a couple that I think is, well, I'm going to leave you to give your opinion, Hannah and Dylan. Hannah and Dylan. This time around, I wasn't really focused on like making too many friends, although I did make a lot of friends while I was down on the beach. Dylan was one of the people that I could always talk to and have a great time talking to.

He became one of my better friends on the beach. And so I love him. Hannah and Dylan seemed very cute together. I didn't really get to know Hannah very well. But I think that they're adorable together. They're like Barbie and Ken. They are very cute. None of us are getting to know Hannah very well.

She has like one sentence every episode. I wonder if there's a reason for that. She doesn't talk very much. What you do see on TV is I was going to say it, but thank you. there's not much to say okay what do you think about clay and Nicole oh man I I'm not a fan of their relationship to be perfectly honest and it's funny uh we we've seen a lot of them actually this season and you see clay come in with with Angela coming in as well that whole drama to me seemed like it kind of blew up way more than it should have it's like yeah you used to date

this girl and now she's on the beach trying to date someone else but you're dating someone It just didn't really seem fair to me in a lot of ways. The relationship between Clay and Nicole doesn't make sense to me personally. Just having spoken with Clay and knowing why his and Angela's relationship didn't work out, I see a lot of similarities between Angela and Nicole as individuals and how their relationship would be similar with Clay as well. So it just didn't make sense to me. I guess we'll see how it goes next week, but I've got my doubts. I'm with you, honestly.

Like, I always want to root for people, but for them, I just feel like it's not going to work out. Demi and Christian. they're amazing. I know that they've kind of, it's been a weird mixed bag for them, right? They caught a lot of heat for Christian coming down and Demi going on the show with a girlfriend or however that all transpired. I'm not sure exactly, but they seem to balance each other out really well. Like Demi's super outspoken and loud and vulnerable and very in touch with her emotions, which is great to see. Like, you know, she's very communicative and all that kind of stuff. And Christian seems to kind of be that rock or the anchor for her.

So they seem to balance each other out really well. All right. Let's talk about Katie and Chris. When I read Katie and Chris, and I'm so sorry Katie and Chris, if you're listening to this, but at first I'm like, wait, who's Katie and Chris. I do it every time. I do it every time. I didn't know who Hannan and Dylan were for two seconds. Oh my God. Isn't it crazy that Chris has been on like what seven seasons, six seven seasons of the show and I like still forget him? I'm so sorry Chris. But anyway, do you remember them, Dean? Can I ask you a question? I've never seen Chris before in my life. I never even knew who he was. Is he always like this on the eight other times he's been on the show? If this is his personality and that's a real type. I think he was a little angry in the past. Like he got in some fights and stuff. He showed like kind of an angry. side of himself. Honestly, he's so forgettable. I don't remember. Okay. I'm just really just trying to understand. Just trying to get some insight. Yeah. What do you think about Katie and Chris?

I don't think that we really know a lot about them. Chris was pretty guarded the whole time that I spent on the beach. So whenever, you know, he would try to open up to like us as friends on the guys on the beach about his relationship, he was pretty short. So we never really got a good insight into where he was at. And it's funny because watching it back, I feel kind of the same way. Even when he's talking to Katie, he's like not really all in. Katie seems to be, like, exhausting herself trying to, like, figure it out. I like Chris. I think that Katie deserves better, in my opinion.

She's a great girl. Maybe not better, but just maybe deserves more out of her partner. I don't know if I'm terribly confident in the relationship going the distance, but... I don't think they're going to end up together at the end of the show. I mean, obviously, you know because you were at the reunion special that's airing next week, but I just don't think. What do you think, Rachel? Oh, I think Dean hit the nail on the head. It's just she's trying so hard.

And when you have to try that hard, like, I wish I could just, like, scream that. When a guy is really into you, he's into you. There's songs about it. There are poems about it. You just, you shouldn't have to work that hard at your relationship. He's, it's, it's, she's everything he says he wants. But then he's just not that into her, it seems like. It's, it's sad because I like Katie.

Yeah, it's hard to watch sometimes. Okay. What did you think about the end of J.P.J. and Tasha. The montage of their love story Almost had me breaking down into tears And I'm not a crier I don't cry watching anything But watching that back

I was like damn that was really well done I'm just pulling so hard for them right now Tasha is a great girl And John Paul Jones is a very interesting man Does that make them well suited for each other I don't know I think that they I think that they could work outside of the show

And so seeing Tatia not being able to commit to the idea of John Paul Jones is kind of saddening. I get it. Like I understand why Tasia wasn't able to like say, I love you back and go to the fantasy suites and progress from there. But it just, you know, John Paul Jones was like all in and very, you know, he's had his up as and downs as paradise as well. Like the wedding was kind of brutal for me to watch and for all of us to watch.

I want to ask you about that. Because I feel like just, I mean, I obviously don't know you that well, but just spending the last hour here chatting with you. I feel like I really sort of trust your read on people. based on the things that you have said. What is your read on him? Obviously, you weren't there for the wedding thing. Because I loved him.

And then that whole thing happened, and I was like, who is this guy? And even in the episode last night or this week, he said to her, like, and I know what he was trying to say, but something along the lines of like, don't tell me what I feel. And I was like, whoa. Like, the way he said it was kind of like how he was like yelling at Derek. Like, don't tell me, don't question my intelligence and don't. Oh, he said that's Atatia. Yeah. When he was talking to Tatia, he said, like, don't tell me how I feel.

And I get where he was going with it. He's because she was like, you know, you think you feel that way. And he was like, don't tell me how I feel. And I was like, whoa, there was another way that could have been said. So what is your take on JPJ knowing him in real life? I don't think I've ever had like a real full conversation with him. I don't think you, I mean, I have, right? Like I've had his version of a full real conversation, but that's not really a full real conversation.

Like what you see is what you get with John Paul Jones. He's very, you know, he's very like, oh, whoa, oh, cool. Like that's great. Like he's a great guy, nice guy. You just don't really get to know who he has passed, all of that stuff. And he's, like, he's a very smart person. I was very impressed by his intelligence many, many times. But then it's, like, his inability, I guess, to, like, maybe go deeper than that.

Or his unwillingness, too, I think would probably be a better word. And I think that maybe he's able to do that with Tasha, but. I've asked, too, because you've obviously been watching the season back. Yeah. Where do you watch it? Do you have a TV in your van? I do have a television. Well, it's like I have an iPad that I use as, like, an entertainment center, if you will.

Dean, how long are you going to keep this van? Is there an end point? Is there a goal, an end goal, I should say, in mind? If I can make it 12 months in the van, I'll have considered the era, the van era a success. I do at some point plan on traveling south with the van, very far south to Argentina, perhaps. I don't know if that's going to happen. I hope it does. Come like January, February, March, I do plan on spending most of my time traveling through

like the Rocky Mountains, probably south, working my way up north into Canada, and just skiing basically as much as I can. And that would kind of put a hindrance on my ability. Because part of the idea of traveling south is to kind of just chase summer, you know what I mean? Like obviously, it's winter in North America, it's summer in South America. But I haven't decided fully if I want to commit to the idea of skiing as much they possibly can this winter or venturing down south. And I think that decision will hinge on how long I can stay in the van for. which honestly at this point the van life is gone great like I'm loving it I'm three

months into it and I've never been happy I granted I travel internationally a lot so it's nice then I have to spend you know $2,500 a month on rent in Los Angeles if I'm not living in that house so I'm living rent free if I'm traveling internationally I don't have to worry about that when I'm traveling domestically I can just like tomorrow tomorrow morning I'm traveling to Utah and then to Colorado and then to Idaho to rock climb for the next two weeks and so it's like to have the ability to basically take my home with me to those places is like a very appealing thing. So I think the winter months will be very telling because it's going to get cold. I have a heater in there, but I don't know

like how that's like getting wet with the snow is going to be interesting. So we'll see. It's all kind of, it's all dependent. You got nine months left of this year. I'm 25% of the way through. And honestly, it's looking pretty good. Is there enough room for Kalin, if you guys end up together in this van to make all these travels? There's a full-size bed. it in the van and there's actually a secondary bed on top so in case we get in a fight or an argument i could sleep on top she could sleep in the cab okay you really thought this through oh my gosh yes of course and like i get it like the like to rachel's point you say you're living in a van the first thing you assume is like a windowless van that's like rusted over that's like

orange and green and gross and like one flat tire but you're still driving on it anyways because you don't have the money to put air into it and i get that but like if you look up like look up van life on YouTube. Just like spend an hour looking at it. You're going to get hooked. It's, it can be a pretty romantic lifestyle. It's like a tiny home. That's like a whole wave of things right now. I mean, I have to say when you're with Caitlin leaving in the car

at the end of Paradise and you were talking about making ramen. I mean, that was like a romantic date for me. I'm not even joking. I eat ramen like three times a day. I mean, think about it. It's so nice. Like, you're just driving along. You're going somewhere. Oh, I'm tired. I'm just going to pull over to the side of the road and take a nap for a little bit. You can do that because your bed is right there.

Or I just want to chill and watch Netflix for a little bit. you can do that because your TV is right there. There's a lot of perks to live in a van, you guys. And I'm not trying to sell you on it. No, no, I'm intrigued. I don't even think you should stop calling it a van because that's not what it is. It's a lot more rich than that. It's a mobular home.

It's a mobile or a word? I don't know, is it? I got to say, the van life sounds very appealing. I mean, I don't ever leave my house. I have two small children. I haven't been on vacation in like four years. So to like go in a van and just dream. drive and do whatever I want for however much time sounds amazing.

If you ever want to borrow it, you're more than welcome. Oh, well, thank you. Will you babysit my kids? That's kind of where I draw the line. Rachel, you said you wanted to name the mustache by the end of this podcast. Has anything come to you, my friend? I'm going to name it Mo. It's short for something else.

For the guy who came with six-backed suitcases? For the guy that came with six suitcases on The Bachelorette? No, not him for something else. Do you know what this she's referring to, this Moe being short for something else? Am I supposed to know, Rage? No, you're not. It's short for... Motorboat?

I was really inappropriate. I'm just going to call it Moe. Mastash ride? I'm named Dean's mustache Mo. All right. There you have it. I guess we'll call it Mo from this point forward. All right.

Well, Dean, it was nice to have you and Mo here with us today. thanks for gilling me so hard rage always a pleasure to have you because you keep it real the conversation is moving and it's always refreshing to talk to you because you say what people are thinking and they're too afraid to say i appreciate that you guys thanks for having me all right next week guys we have another great podcast for you we're talking about the finale of bachelor in paradise and i really need you guys to know that i've actually never seen a finale of bachelor in paradise i've never actually watch the show to this far end. So I'm quite excited. Plus, we have a special guest coming on the show. And I can tell you now, it's going to be a good one. You don't want to miss out.

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