Bachelor Happy Hour - Deandra Talks ‘Shock’ at Getting Sent Home, Plus: Her Predictions

Episode Date: February 4, 2020

Deandra, who went home on Monday night’s episode, talks about her shock at not receiving a rose from Peter and reveals what she wishes she would have done differently this season.Plus, Deandra tells Rachel and Becca about how she really feels about Alayah and shares her predictions for the rest of the season.Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now we have so much ground to cover. And later on we have Misty Andra, who, as you unfortunately saw, just went home. But she is on the line giving us all of the details and the tea living with all the girls. So we can't wait to get started. Yes, we are so excited because last week we got a to be continued, which we know we hate. but now we have the answers that we need, kind of, right? Like, kind of, Becca. I still feel like we're confused on a lot of situations.

We're not getting the truth. But, shocker, at the top of the episode, Peter sends Alea home at the beginning of the cocktail party. Now, were you expecting this? Okay, no. Only because I don't quite understand the thought process in Peter, first sending her home at last week's row ceremony, then having her come back, giving her a rose when she's not even on the date.

She's not even part of the show at this point, bringing her back into live with the girls only to send her home prior to anything else happening. Yeah, yeah. I just, when I saw this, I was like, Peter, this is so problematic. You know, last episode we were saying, poor Peter. This episode, I'm titling it, I am not here. to make friends and we'll get into that later. But Peter's behavior for me, I can't excuse it much longer because what was frustrating was we see these women who call you out, who say they're

confused by your actions. And it's becoming clear that you don't really know what you want and you seem to be easily swayed by others' opinions. You listen too much to the women who come and tattle to you when they have one-on-one time. You're listening to the collective group of the women say how they feel rather than what your feelings are. I mean, I was screaming at the TV. What does Peter think? Yeah. What does he want? And I have to say that at this point, in the season, it seems like he doesn't know. I don't think anyone knows. I don't think Peter knows. And my issue with this situation is that had the girls, I mean, it was a collective frustration with the group. They all questioned him. They all called him out on bringing her

back and of course rightly so they were angered by it and had they not all done that and not attacked him in a way but brought that to his attention I don't think he would have sent her home at that moment I think agreed I think it was overwhelming for him and he kind of had this panic of like oh crap I'm getting attacked now just how do I appease this and how do I stop this quickly it's like but did you really want her back for a reason because that's what you made it seem like by your actions and so stand by that if that is what you want no I completely agree we think you. And I feel like as a lead, you should be matter of fact. Yes, you know, you question some things. We've been there, Becca. You both, you do. You listen to what other people have to say,

but you have to at the end of the day, trust your gut and be confident in whatever decision that it is that you make. And Peter doesn't seem to have that characteristic at this point as a lead. And I've just never seen so much confusion clouding over a cast. And I'm including Peter in that. And I think what was also problematic, is, okay, you made the decision to bring Alea back. You wanted that. You didn't feel like you had the full story. And as we found out, he certainly did not. But what he didn't have to do was give her a rose. He could have just said, you know what, I'm going to bring you back. We've seen that before. I want to give you some more time to prove yourself. I want to get to know you. Maybe there's

some more that I need to figure out. But Peter didn't do that. He gave her a rose. And then you take it back. And you're still telling you. Victoria P, how much you trust her. And I'm so frustrated because to me, the lies are evident. I don't understand. I just have come to the conclusion that we have to be missing something. Because the other side of it is that Peter is an idiot. I'm sorry, I don't understand how you just don't get the Victoria P lied to you and you just seem to excuse this problematic behavior. I'm just, I'm so frustrated with them as I'm, watching the beginning of this episode. And I think, and I don't want to speak for him because he is not

here. My personal take is that at this moment, from everything that we have seen, Peter is getting distracted by shiny things and what he is attracted to and he is following other parts of his body and not necessarily his head at this moment in time. Yeah. No, 100%. Okay, so moving on, we lose three more ladies, we lose Kiki, we lose Deandra, and we lose Savannah. They don't get roses. And that's short-lived because now we're excited because we're leaving the country and we're going on a journey to Costa Rica, which I personally have a love for. That's where I had my bachelorette party. So I was excited to see the ladies that they get to go there. It's really a fun and exciting place. But okay, I have to laugh about this because one thing I don't think people know about me is that

But sometimes I'm really gullible. And when Peter met the women and he started telling them the story about the Puma, I believed him at first. He started it off. I mean, he was committed to the story. I will say I probably would have been like you or the other women and been like, shut up. No way. This Puma.

But we've got to find out that that wasn't the case. It is not a Puma crossing this path. It was a golf cart. But not even like, not even the fact that he fell out of a golf cart. It said he was just going to sit on the back of the golf cart and it hits his head and then quickly dives and hits his head on a glass. Like I know the actual footage clip that they showed was very, it wasn't high quality, it was very brief. But I had to rewatch it a couple times to be like, is how the hell. heck does this happen? And I'm a very clumsy person, so I get that you can get injured in

like the weirdest of ways. But what? It was definitely a freak accident. It was the reenactment was amazing. I'm always here for the reenactment. Please keep them coming throughout the season. I mean, it was worth, it wasn't even what I thought it was until I saw the reenactment. And I was like, wow, that's how it happened to Peter. Okay, still don't quite get it, but that's why I'm calling it a freak accident. I do have to say that when he was telling the story about the Puma, I thought it was going to be a reference to like a black cat, which I guess a Puma is a cat, but an actual black cat walking across his path, across his path, kind of foreshadowing if you're superstitious that you know, something is going to happen, which I kind of think he cursed the season by telling

this story because it seems like a black cat is running all over this season. Just in circles around him. Yeah, yeah. Just around him, in the house, on the plane, on the golf cart. Everywhere. It's in a suitcase. It just is following him. Yeah, yeah.

So, we get a one-on-one. Yes. And don't you feel like we're getting a lot of one-on-ones? Is it just me? I don't know why. I just feel like more, you know, normally sometimes you see two group dates and just one-on-one during the week. I feel like every week we're getting multiple one-on-one-one.

once. But great for the ladies. Great for the ladies. That means they're getting more time with Peters. So Sydney gets a one-on-one and she goes on a helicopter ride over a waterfall and the beautiful rainforest forests that are in Costa Rica. And we really see her personality come out a bit because she's kind of, she's like silent but deadly, right? You see her quietly moving in the house. But then when she does speak, it's always with the dagger because we saw what happened to Alea. And we kind of that happened later on in the episode as well. But yeah, what did you think about her opening up with Peter? I think, well, Peter said it best when he was talking to her. He called her mysterious, which I agree with. There's always something, it's like, from what we've seen up until

this one-on-one, there wasn't, I didn't get much to her other than the fact that she didn't like Alley. There was always something there that she was kind of reserved about. So yeah, she opened up about her background about being bullied and her parents' relationship and how difficult that was for her. I interact. Watching Peter and her interact, I think he is very enamored with her by her beauty. I think that's very apparent. I just don't think other than that, like I don't, for me personally, see that deep, strong connection. It's like, yes, we know she's a good kisser. They had a very, very, very, very steamy makeout session in multiple positions. But other than that, I don't see much more between them than that passion. No, that's a really good point.

Yeah, you're right. They didn't seem to connect below a surface level. In my notes, I have one word written under Sydney, and it's hot. That's it. That's like all I wrote. have all these things about everything else. It's like hot. She's hot. Their date is hot. Their interactions are hot. I mean, how many bases do you think they rounded when they were in that hot tub or waterfall, whatever it is? I'm going to say at least six or seven. Wait, there are only four bases. They're only four bases, Becca. This is a sports reference. I thought you meant like how many different services did they make out? Okay. Okay.

Well, you know what? I was actually wondering, watching them make out at one point they were making out, you know, laying down, and then she was on top and he was on top. But at one point, they were under the water and you just see the back and someone sitting on someone. And I'm like, I think there is a little bit more touchy feeling going on than the camera is letting on right now. Well, we've seen, you know, an extended preview the audience has at this point of the season from beginning to the end. And one of the clips is a girl saying, Sydney had sex. in the hot tub with Peter. So I didn't see that.

So maybe there's another hot tub that comes. I don't know what that means. You didn't see that. No. A clip. Do you miss that? Yes. It's the only thing.

That and Barb saying, don't let her go. Are the two things that I remember in next in a clip? Yes, somebody says that. So I don't know if it's a rumor, if something happens later, but it's definitely something that I'm waiting to see play out as the season progresses. Yes. Yes, but... Sydney.

Definitely was a passionate date. I made sure that Brian fast-forwarded during that section of the date. Or how does... No, I'm just kidding. I don't care. I could care less. How many bases do you think they covered since I botched that one? Three.

Three. Third base, okay. They definitely, I don't think they made it home, but they definitely rounded third base. They definitely got pretty far. Dylan, when we had him on the show, show last week, said, talked about having to watch episodes back. I can't remember if it was Dylan or Hannah that said it. After watching Sydney's date, if he didn't pick Sydney, my God, whoever he picked is really going to have to dig deep within, if he picks somebody. We still

don't even know that. But it's going to have to dig deep within to really move past that. Because there is a lot of intimacy. Yes, I agree. They either have to have very thick skin and be confident in who they are and in the relationship at this point? Or who knows if they even watched it? Because if I was Peter, I'd be like, maybe fast forward a little bit. Yeah. And at this point, Peter's kissed everyone. He kissed 13 the first night. So, and he told Sydney she was the best kisser. So if I'm the girl he picked and I'm sitting at home, I'm going to be like, oh, okay, so really? So Sydney's got the best lips? So what do you think about my lips? I'd be like, okay, what does she do? What do I need to work on? Give me the pointers here. Yeah, I, yeah. It's, that's,

That's a tough pill to swallow. He seems to gravitate girls that have more of a hard, difficult, tragic past that he kind of wants to say, even though he mentioned with us that he wants a strong, independent woman, that he might like to be the savior in a relationship. Yeah, and I almost think that he can't help it because everybody, more than any other season I've watched, these girls have a past and a story. and have really been through things. So it's almost inevitable because everybody is like, I want to sit down and tell my story. I mean, even later in the episode, we see McKenna, who's like, this was a big night for us.

I was going to open up to him and tell him my story. And I was like, geez, everybody, except for Kelly, who will talk about later, really has a deep story or is at least willing to open up with Peter and share that with him. And maybe that's a credit to Peter that the girls just feel, comfortable enough to really express how they feel.

And he is very empathetic. And when his parents were in the studio weeks ago, they did mention he is a people pleaser. He does have that nurturing side to him, which we're definitely seen with him and these women. Yeah. No, no, no, for sure. So the next day, which I thought was interesting and definitely a recipe for drama, as we see them having this professional photo shoot on the waterfalls, on the rocks, which

was beautiful, but then you see girls really step it up out of their comfort zone and try to stand out to, I don't know if the prize was Peter or just the prize of getting that cover of that magazine. But what did you think about the girls' actions as they were in the midst of that photo shoot? If I was on this group date, I would be more defied. What would you do with your hands? Exactly. Rachel, to my point, I am so awkward. I have, I never really had a proper photo shoot until after I came out of The Bachelorette. Like, of course, I had my senior photos and that was it. So had I been on this date, I would have been like, can I stand underwater, please?

Give me some of those water shoes. I'll hide beneath the surface. Like, I'll smile at the camera. I would have no idea what to do, which is where we see the difference with some of these girls. Because, of course, you have Hannah Ann, who is the model. She killed it on their revolved date. These girls are all gorgeous. and I will say like it came across

they all looked pretty comfortable with each other they're posed up with some of the other girls the part that kind of stuck out to me is Victoria F when she goes in for that kiss with Peter I think her whole I'm not confident act is not necessarily true yeah I'm torn on this one because I get it there's no girl or guy

that doesn't get insecure when you're on this show and you're surrounding yourself with all these beautiful people and it's hard to stand out in a crowd. But yeah, that definitely, that insecurity seems like that was, I don't know, something that happened a long time ago because we're not seeing that now. We're seeing her more vocal in the house and we're seeing her more standing out and, you know, being a presence when it comes to Peter. How about Tammy?

That was hilarious when she did not know. That was you, Becca. You are Tammy. When they were kissing, I was, and like, McKenna looked like, she was like reaching like grabbing his neck like hey hey kiss me too and Tammy just screams and just stands there and looks terrified like I don't know what to do I'm just here that would be she Tammy is the ultimate like this moment sucks but I'm going to make the most of it and her face like when the when the camera snapped her face in that moment I was like oh my god I feel I'm feeling Tammy right now and yes that it's just it's just uncomfortable you know and I get that it's the name of the game And you know when you sign up for the show that you're going to have to see other relationships unfold. But like, let's be honest, no one wants to see him kissing another girl, literally 12 inches behind you. Yeah.

How about when Victoria F on the nighttime part of the date said, quote, I'm 26. It's depressing. Oh, Rach. Well, and then Peter goes, I'm 28. I'm a grandpa. And I'm like, I'm 30. What are you saying about us? That's what I should have named the theme of the show.

I mean, like, that, that right there lets you know the mindset. Then Kelly gets a date, which it's like, I remember Kelly's there, but I forget, because we don't see that much of her unless they're talking about how it was so amazing how they met before the season. So Kelly pops up again. I'm like, okay, great. Like, maybe we'll see more of her personality. I like Kelly. Well, she even said she's the one to kind of go hide in the corner. Yeah.

And I thought, okay, well, that's why we haven't seen you. Plus, it's a lot of drama. and Kelly is just like, I'm over this drama. I thought their date was interesting. I actually would have liked it. I don't know how they didn't just burst out laughing through the entire thing. Oh, my littles loved it. I, no, no, and don't get me wrong, I actually, I probably would have liked that date, too.

I think, I just, the way that it's shown, it just seems so awkward between the two of them. that I would have just been cracking jokes left and right to kind of make up for some of that. It just, it just, I think it was hard because had it been any other girl who he maybe wasn't questioning the relationship with, it would have gone a totally different way. I think it would have been much more intimate. But because we know there's some tension and they're both kind of questioning where they're at in the relationship, but just you can feel that spilling through the TV. No, no, no, no, absolutely.

It was a little bit of a painful date to watch. I kind of wanted Kelly to open up a little bit more. But I do feel like we got where she was coming from. And I really thought it was interesting because as I was watching it, I thought, I am Kelly and Kelly is me. If I was in that house with those women, I don't think that I would survive. And it really made me reflect on my season, or not my season, but when I was on Nick's season, I thought that I wouldn't get along with any of the women in the house. And I was so beautifully surprised that I really developed strong friends.

during the show and even thereafter. And I realize how much of a blessing that is because it's one thing for you to connect with the lead, but that's only the time that you have when you're one-on-one. When you go, the majority of the time is in the house. And if you don't have that support system or girls that you trust or just that circle of friends, it will eat at you and it will really affect your journey on this season. And I thought, Kelly doesn't have that. She doesn't have those girls and she said it.

She even referenced Hannah Ann, which Peter was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, what a minute? Wait, what about Hannah Ann? And I thought, don't say anything bad about her. Yeah, she's like, wait a minute, I like her, but I realize we are on different levels. And I was, it's obvious. She is, they are on two different levels. They have two different mindsets. They are in two different places in their lives.

And I just really felt bad for Kelly in that moment because I thought, you know what, Kelly could be a different person if she was with a different group of women. Yes. And that just goes to show. I mean, I think for. both Nick and Ari season, us collectively as the group of women, we were a little bit older. We were, you know, it was just a different, different age group, different mindsets. And not that Kelly got stuck in this one, but yes, I think it could have been different had it been a different season.

And but what I appreciate about Kelly is we've seen it on other seasons where the girls don't get along with anyone and don't care to interact with the other women. And they say, like, I am not here to make friends. I don't care about anyone else. I think that's not Kelly's mindset. I think she just feels a little bit off base. She can't connect with them. And it's not that she's not open or welcome to that. I just think it's not fully there for her.

And she's not shutting it down, but she's just kind of removing herself in a more mature way. But it is tough because in this scenario, you don't have your phones. You don't have your normal friends and family to lean on. And so it is, I can see why she would feel very isolated. Yeah. And I thought that I was actually surprised that at the end of the day, because Peter seemed to question her a lot.

And I thought it was so cute when he was like, well, what about what the shaman said? And I was like, Peter, he was really into it. I would have been into it too. And, you know, I really, at first I go, oh, my gosh, she's not going to give her a rose. I really like Kelly. Kelly needs to stay. She's one of the level-headed ones in the house. And then he gave it to her.

and he explained his reasoning and I thought you know what, good for you Peter, you're right. My God, if you're going to let Alea come back, please give Kelly another chance because she's expressed to you what she struggles with what her fear is and now she's told you that she's ready to open up.

So I know that he's going to be yeah, I know he's going to be waiting for her to do that but he really didn't have to wait long because she opened up in that hot tub. Right. Right? I will say I'm glad that she I did not expect her to get the rose just from the way things were going earlier in the day but I am glad that he gave it to her

because like you said he brought Alea back for a reason who was wrapped up in that drama and Kelly got to that point that he needed her to get to in that one-on-one date and so I'm glad that she's sticking around absolutely and you know what the reason I feel like I'm clinging on to Kelly

even though I so relate to her I'm clinging on to Kelly because the girls that I, like I relate to or dropping like flies. And that brings me to Tammy. Tammy was one of my favorites. Mine too. But Tammy showed out this episode. I mean, Tammy to me epitomizes the girl who I guess when you know that you're not the one and you know he's not going to pick you, you just start acting out and tattling to whatever is going to keep you week to week. Because if Tammy had not acted the way that she did, she would not be with

us this week or at the end of this week she wouldn't be going on to next week okay what tammy said tammy saying about the pills and the drinking i don't think that was her place to get involved in i think that that is a much deeper heavier issue that if it is and i'm not saying that it is even a problem i don't know but if it was that is not tammy's place to be saying it to peter or to anybody else that's a very uh tricky territory to cross and I think she should have stayed out of it. I want to start by saying, you know, the thing, everyone's like, we were rooting for you.

Like, I was rooting for you. We were all rooting for you. That's what I wanted with Tammy. I loved Tammy. I mean, and I will say this. I still like Tammy. I think this week, she, of course, like should not have gotten involved in certain things.

She should have not reacted in the way that she did in certain things. And that's just my opinion. Yeah, you know, Becca, it really seems that, Tammy exacerbated the situation. Did you catch that? I catch that. Yes, Rachel.

I caught that. And every week, I feel like we're going to have a new word that we've talked about to add to that mis vocabulary. Is that even a word mis vocabulary? I might add myself to this vocabulary bank

because every week, it seems like there's one, that one word that you just said, It's a little off, and God bless these girls for trying, but exacerbate is not the correct one way forward. No, it's not. It's exacerbate. And please, please, it's not okay. Becca, it's not okay.

And we're at an all-time high here. These are basic words, okay? We should be able to use them. It wasn't Tammy Hughes said. I was just using it in a sentence. It was Victoria P. was the victim this week who mispronounced the word. She said, exacerbate. That is not correct. And I don't want people to be repeating this. I don't want this to be a thing.

Okay, you need to know how to correctly say it. So I guess next week there'll be another. But calling out someone as being an alcoholic and popping pills, those are lines that you don't cross if you're not in someone's inner circle and not close with them. And I don't think that that should have been brought up to anyone in this scenario. I was actually shocked that Tammy didn't have the wherewithal to not do that. I just really was like, gosh, she's really desperate. And I know what this situation is like and how you feel levels of desperation when you feel like you're about to go home. But this was not the answer. This was not the way to go.

Now, what did you think about Kelsey being able to go and talk to Peter? I have such a problem with this. I think it is an absolute unfair advantage. This has got to stop. Now, this is starting to pick up lately. it didn't really happen on my season I can't remember Becca if it happened on yours but

thereafter people keep getting to talk to the lead and it is not fair it is like it would infuriate me it happened on next season with Corinne but it wasn't the same as this it wasn't because she went to him for drama

she just went to have some alone time and I just I just was so upset when I saw this How did you feel? I think I agree. I think that there are certain things set up to make the show work, the cocktail parties, the group date after parties. That is when the girls have their time with Peter.

And it should be fair and even. And in this case, when everyone just wants to go willy-nilly and show up and talk to him whenever they want, like people are clearly going to pick up on that and start doing it whenever they want. So I do think it does give her definitely an unfair advantage. Now, my take on this is it's not like Kelsey just got up and left the villa and went walking down the road to go and try and search for Peter. There are things set up. There is a team of producers that had to have made that happen because Kelsey has no idea where she's going. Let's be honest. She's walking through Costa Rica without a phone.

You're not just going to find Peter randomly. So there definitely was help and assistance in that case. So it wasn't just Kelsey being like, oh, I'm going to do this on my own. That being said, I think that the time allotted for these girls and Peter, and even Peter, like, he needs some alone time. Let's be honest. This entire process is very draining and exhausting at times. And sometimes you just need to be alone to sift through things and to process things and, like, have that moment for yourself. And so if everyone's just dropping in on him, that's not going to be healthy for anyone's mindset. Totally. Totally agree with you. I mean, seriously, I know it's good TV, but it's just so unfair, especially in this situation. I mean, I might have been McKenna crying when he canceled that cocktail party for the women. It's just, and then I guess Peter sang, well, no, no, let me rewind. See, Peter has really been frustrating me. Peter's saying I have the clarity that I need just by talking to Kelsey when, and I get it, he's not privy to seeing her. be a basket case that she has been this episode. He is left with the impression that he had from their one-on-one date. And she was very calm and she went and talked to him. But Peter giving her a rose, just like he did with Alea. Stop giving out roses prior to the rose ceremony.

Make them wait. Say, I heard you. You don't need to give her the reassurance right now. Just say, I heard you. I'm going to take that into consideration and I'll see you tonight. That was it. For her to have that rose and go back and then say, hey ladies by the way this is what I said

I mean I would just be beuming and I am not taking up for Tammy Tammy is totally wrong in what she said and I get Kelsey wanting to defend herself but do it at the cocktail party yeah definitely and Peter didn't know Peter didn't even know that Tammy was saying that what I really want to say is

my point of view and I'm not trying to I'm not trying to say that people emotions and feelings aren't warranted because I think it's okay to cry. I'm not saying that it's not. I think from what I'm seeing is Kelsey does have, her emotions are a little bit too much at times. And I think that when she gets very overwhelmed, her reaction is to, you know, to tear up and to cry. And that's, especially in this scenario and the situation of being a contestant on The Bachelor, like you definitely have to have some thick.

skin. So for me to watch sometimes, I'm like, Kelsey buck up, like you, he has told you multiple times he is into you. He likes you. Like, don't get so wrapped up in the emotions and being uncertain. But for for Tammy to say, what were her exact words? Did she say emotionally unstable or having a mental breakdown? I'm not sure. The mental breakdown part. It's, again, I think that especially in this day and age, you have to use certain words and phrases. And sometimes there are trigger words like bullying. And we've talked about that in the past that I think a mental breakdown gives it the extreme. And yes, maybe Kelsey was in that moment crying and upset and we've seen her cry a lot throughout it. But I think Tammy should have expressed that in a different way. She shouldn't

have said, hey, you know, Kelsey is emotionally unstable and she's having a mental breakdown. She's just, she, if Tammy wanted to confront Peter about this and say anything, it should have just been like, yeah like she her emotions aren't always like what do I want to say like even keeled and level and they don't always match up and she does like she does seem to be crying by herself a lot and just maybe touch base on that if if that were the conversation that she wanted to get across it did not appear that way yeah it was a it was a no for me Tammy this week it was a serious no and I don't see it turning around for her at this point. You could really see the girls turn on her.

I mean, the way she went off on Sydney, it's, I mean, I guess I do kind of get a little bit of a mean girl vibe from Sydney. I can see it, but I don't know if that's really how she is or just the fact that she's so unbothered. And so it's more misunderstood because she does seem to be unbothered. But she and Tammy went at it at the end of the episode. So Peter cancels the rose ceremony, which I was a little shocked by, but it sends the girls into a complete tizzy, and that's when we see Tammy lashing out at Sydney and back and forth, and then McKenna's crying, and I think we saw Natasha even cry this week, and Cheyenne, was that Cheyenne? Sheehan, yeah, because she goes on with the other one. Sheehan is crying as well, and it's like, I get it. This is probably the only moment so far that I felt sorry for the ladies in the house, because more than ever,

we are seeing the lead not spending time with the girls in the house and it really is circulated between the ones that have the drama and it's not fair it really isn't and i think kelsey was the icing on the cake her getting that alone time her taking it did seem that she took away from the cocktail party because chris harrison being a little messy stirring the pot said well he has the clarity he needs and he didn't no one knew that he had that until kelsey had ventured over to meet peter Obviously, or at least that's the way it looks, McKenna and Tammy saying, excuse me, Peter, can I talk to you before he dishes out the roses? May or may not have affected his decision, but they definitely got roses at the end of the rose ceremony. And we say goodbye to Lexi and Chey Ann. Can I just say I really like Lexi? I'm mad we didn't get to see more of her.

I'm always fond of redheads. I think she's so pretty. You know what? I really liked Lexi, too. And so I thought Lexi was the mysterious one. I know that Peter kept saying that Sydney was, but I think Lexi is like that sultry, sexy, mysterious vixen, if you know. Yeah, no, no, no, no, totally see that and she seems really level-headed.

She probably, like DeAndra didn't open up and was going to use this time. Because it's kind of mid-season where you're like, oh, if I haven't opened up already, I really, really need to because I'm losing an opportunity. or losing out on an opportunity for him to really get to know me. So I was sad to see both of them go. And I know Sheehan felt like poor Sheehan. Every single time she tried to talk to him, somebody interrupted her. But I was shocked when Sheehan gave him a warning.

And she said, quote, I know you're trying to follow your heart. I want you to be aware of some of the people in this house. Some of the girls that are here, what you're seeing is not who they are, end quote. Very Katie Morton-esque. Remember when she gave Colton that warning? Yeah. And I think it's something that Peter has questioned for a while and now to have Cheyenne, a girl who, you know, and she doesn't know him anything because I don't think she really got to know him.

I don't think he allowed her to get to know either of them on a deeper level. So she could have just hugged him goodbye and walked away. I think that that kind of hit home for him because now he's questioning, okay, you know, I've said this before, and now she's also bringing it up during her goodbye. Like, what am I missing here? Yeah, poor Peter. Again, he can't catch a break. I know that's going to send him in a tizzy because he thought he had clarity, right?

Chris Harrison's like he has a clarity he needs. And then Sheehan says what she does. And it's like, well, actually, maybe I don't. Now, and let's be honest, Becca, as leads, you never have all the clarity that you want. You just have to be confident in the decisions that you're making, and that's all that you can really do. So I can't wait to find out who Shan's talking about. And I got some guesses. I got some guesses. I wish we had Shan in studio today because I really want to know. I have a feeling that it's a few girls, but we'll see. Name one. Well, I think, you know, if I have to say,

I think she's talking about Kelsey. And I think she, let me get my handy to any sheet up here. I was going to say Kelsey too. I was going to say Kelsey. And, and, And also I would maybe say Sydney. Just because when they were going at it, I felt like when Sydney and Tammy started fighting, like that part kind of came out of left field as well. And so I think there's more that wasn't always shown that we're not seeing. Well, I'll say Victoria P.

And the reason I'll say that, because I think her name was Savannah. But she was the one who kept saying, as if I've talked to them or I've. I've talked to Victoria P and what she's telling him isn't what she told me. Remember she kept saying that? There was that one girl, Savannah, who's gone home now, so we'll never know. But she did plant those seeds.

She said it more than once. And I thought, okay, I see what she did there and I'm paying attention. So I'm going to go ahead and name her. All right, well, more to come. And by that more to come, I mean, we got DeAndra coming up next. So can't wait to pick that apart and see what she's. going to say. All right, Bachelor Nation, we cannot

wait to get started today. We have a new guest who, Rachel and I have never formally met just on the phone. Calling in from Texas is Deandra. Yes, ma'am. Hey, guys. Hey. Hey. We're excited to have you. You are our first guest

from this season. Oh. How does that feel? No pressure. You're special. I know. I'm special, I guess. Thanks, guys. Are very special. Well, we can't wait to dive right in, obviously we have a lot to cover but we're just excited to get your take because like rach said you were the first girl from the season uh so we want the juice we want the good details we want you to spill the tea all of the things today yeah don't hold back don't hold back

i'll try not to i will we will poke you until you just can't help it anymore and you have to tell us literally can't wait for that could not wait okay so how has it been watching the show from the outside perspective because i imagine like when you're in it it, you're in it. You're in this bubble. We get it. We've been there before. Now you've got to watch it. Now people know who you are. So what has that been like to just watch it now? To watch from the outside, I actually feel like I'm gathering more information and stuff is making more sense than it was in the house. Like seeing everything set on the dates that I wasn't involved in and then like the difference between like being in the house versus like seeing everything from the outside. It's definitely different. It's all starting to come together essentially.

So I feel like I'm watching with everyone else as well. I'm about to poke you already just like off the top, like, here we go. What do you mean that you're getting more clarity and understanding certain situations? Like, which situation are you talking about and which people? I mean, so, I mean, most recently, or, I mean, not most recently, but like with the whole Elaine and Sydney drama. So I wasn't on that date. So I didn't really get the full picture of, like, how everything went down and, you know, what was exactly said. So, like, now watching it, I was in the house, obviously. So coming back, I'm my own business. Like, if someone doesn't want to tell me something, I'm like, fine.

So now seeing how it went down, I'm like, ooh, okay, that's, you know, that's how it went down. Okay. So I want to backtrack a little bit because I want to know what girls, you were pretty close within the house, who you kind of stayed away from. You know, I know living with 20 plus women, it's always difficult, all these different energies. So give us a little inside scoop of the women that you were close with and who you kind of steered clear of. I mean, I was close with a lot of girls in the house. I mean, definitely Kira, Alexa, Kelly, Madison. I was even a little close to Hannah-Anne because we were roommates and Michael Leia and, you know, all of them, Tammy. But, you know, there's just a couple girls that obviously everyone has different personalities. You're not going to be best friends with everyone. There's 30 girls. I mean, I wasn't super close with Sydney or Natasha or, you know, I wasn't super close with Kelsey either. So, I mean, there was just a couple of girls, not that I steered necessarily clear of them, but I could just tell, you know, we probably don't need to force anything as far as like trying to connect. Right.

Well, um, was it Tammy? Yeah. Tammy said something in this episode where she referenced that Sydney is a diva and Sydney has her posse and her click with her. Is that what you witnessed to because you said you weren't that close with Sydney? I mean, I think that when you're, yeah, I mean, Posse and Click, I guess it could feel that way a little bit. But yeah, I kind of got that vibe too. And again, like, I'm on my own business. I'm not going to push anything. But, I mean, I can agree with Tammy. Like, I kind of got that vibe. Was there anyone that you really were like, uh-uh, this girl's not for me? She just is rubbing you the wrong way?

I mean, again, it's hard for me because I'm so unbothered. Like, no one can rub me the wrong way. But I just didn't get good vibes. Yeah, from the whole Sydney situation, especially everything that happened with Alea. I just wasn't getting good vibes. Okay. So when you say you're not getting good vibes, is it that you didn't agree? Because now you've gone back and you've watched it. So you heard one thing when you were there. I know you weren't promising on the date, but you get back to the house and we all know how it goes. You were all chatting talking about it. Like, girl, what happened? What? She did? What? Yeah. I would stay up all night just to hear those conversations. But you now have seen Alea versus Sydney and how the whole thing played out. Whose side are you on? Or what can you give us as far as coming? some of the information we didn't see when it comes to Sydney basically calling Alea out and then you kind of saw the trickle-down effect of all the girls basically saying yeah, this is how Alaya is.

I personally liked Alea. I never got fake vibes from Alea. So when that whole situation happened, I was a little confused, like where it was coming from, like what made you feel like, what actual facts you have that Alea is fake? So like watching it back and like seeing how Sydney

approached it on the date, kind of It seemed like a little manipulative, like, because I feel like Alea was really taken off guard because the whole D work thing, that came out of left field for me. And, you know, the fact that someone didn't stand up and say, what does it have to do with anything, first off? That has nothing to do with your love for Peter or your relationship with Peter. He's not looking for a sugar mama. It doesn't matter what you do for work.

That's just personally, like, that rubbed me the wrong way. I think that she should have gone directly to Alea first and just been like, hey, I think you're fake. this is why I think you're fake da-da-da-da-da-da, let's hash it out right here, and then bring it up to Peter once it was, you know, resolved or, you know, whatever they decided to do. Right. I like to go direct to the source. Yeah.

Same girl. I appreciate that. So in terms of then Alea and Victoria P, we saw it play out a little bit where, you know, Victoria P mentioned that they weren't really friends, that they didn't know each other. Alea had said that they were, but they wanted to keep it under wraps. In the house, though, did they come across as friends? like they had known each other pretty well, or what was that like?

I didn't actually see them interact a whole lot. So I would have never assumed, excuse me, I would have never assumed anything. But I wasn't also paying attention to it because the whole Victoria P thing, for me, again, I wasn't really a part of that. Like, I didn't get to see her conversations with Peter and everything happening. So, but I mean, if she felt some type of way or something happened previously, that was facts, then I have to respect that and be like, okay, so maybe there was a situation that happened. but me and my take on it, I never thought Alea was fake. So you were friendly with Alaya.

Did Alaya ever mention to you that she was in the same pageant with Victoria P, that they had traveled to Vegas together, that they were friendly? Were those conversations ever had, especially when she got back? Before, I mean, I mean, she mentioned that they'd done pageants. Like obviously, Miss Texas, Miss Louisiana. So, you know, they knew each other through that.

But as far as like a Vegas trip or anything, that I never would have known. Okay. Okay. From the outside watching in, Deandra, it is a shit show. And it is exhausting. And it's,

Becca and I were saying this, it's we have to detox. Becca has to take steps away. She has to break up watching the episode. Take moments for myself. And we're only getting two hours of what is a week's worth of filming. Is this real? Was this your reality when you were in it?

Because we can only imagine, please speak on what the atmosphere in the house was like. Please. I mean, if you guys are tired, I think I aged six years from this drama. I actually think I have gray hair now. I just said that earlier. I was like, I think I'm getting gray hairs watching this. Exactly. I mean, the thing is, I just don't understand why we spent so much time.

Like, I don't know why Peter spent so much time trying to figure out what was going on here. I'm like at the end of the day, you decide whether or not you believe whoever speaking and then take action based on that. I don't think we need to go ask everyone in the house their opinion. Peter, this is about you and Alea. If you feel like she's fake or you feel like what she's saying is not true, you decide how you want to, you know, take care of this. Well, that, you bring a good point up that I kind of want to layer on top of that because, you know, I'm sure a lot of that drama took away from your individual time with Peter and your conversations. And so when you didn't hear your name and get that rose, what was going through your mind?

How were you feeling in that moment? Were you more angry of like all of this time was just wasted on these girls bickering when it could have been like him actually getting to know me? Oh, I was furious. I mean, it was more like confusion. Like, hey, you are on this journey to find, you know, the woman who is for you. Why are we spending so much of this time on the same six girls trying to figure out about one girl's drama or like two girls drama instead of you have so many beautiful smart ambitious

women here let's say screw the drama for a second let me get to know these other girls it was like almost like he was rewarding the drama like i should have jumped in that drama i should have been like you know what i know one of these girls from before just made something up so that he maybe pay attention to me i don't know hopping for you right now i think you said it perfectly i think i agree with your sentiment and i would probably be feeling the exact same way if i were you you know there are as you said so many beautiful educated smart girls and that's not coming through half the time because it's just revolving around this this craziness with these women did you i this is i'm very interested to know so did you living in the house of course you can

only see so much of peter's interaction and time with these girls there's a lot you know especially when he's on the one-on-ones and in the alone conversations that he has that you miss out on, but were there girls at the forefront that you knew living with everyone, like, okay, these girls are going to the top. They're going to hometowns. Like, he's definitely into a handful of them. Did you feel that ever? I did. I mean, based on what I could see from chemistry, like going on dates and stuff like that with a lot of the girls, like, of course, you can see Hannah Ann's chemistry. Of course, you can see that Kelly and him have a history. They have the chemistry. You know, Victorian P, like, they obviously have some kind of chemistry.

Madison, right off the jump, like, I could just tell that they had, you know, a connection. So it's like, yeah, you know, like, at the other day, like, there's a couple of the girls that he feels more strongly attached to, but I never thought that it would take away from him still wanting to get to know the other girls. Right. Yeah, I mean, watching back, I know how you felt about Peter when you were actually there because, you know, we mentioned this on the last podcast, but kudos to you and Natasha for stepping up and saying exactly. how you feel. And then they scan the room of women and nobody else said anything. So I was like, good for them for speaking what is the sentiment in the house at this point with all the drama. But so you felt about Peter one way. Now you're watching it. Do you have the same feelings towards him? Do you empathize with him at all? Are you frustrated by his actions?

I mean, it's his love story. So I want to empathize with him because if you really want to get down to the bottom of it and, you know, with whatever he's going through. Great. But it's frustrating from my end because, you know, why was I there if, you know, you're not really that interested in, I mean, looking at the other connections, I'm like, now I understand why I went home, you know, I wasn't on a table with my ankles up. I wasn't, you know, doing all this. I wasn't forehead touching and all that stuff. So, I mean, I was a little frustrated looking back on it, like, okay, I mean, you missed out on some really great people. And, you know, He missed out on me.

I feel like he never really saw me. But, I mean, yeah, I'm very happy that Natasha and I finally got to say our piece. But obviously, he wasn't too impressed because he sent me home right after I said it. Wait, wait. Who was on a table with their ankles up? I'm sorry, I miss that. I'm like, I can't let that go. I can't let that go.

Did we miss something? No, you already thought. I mean, I'm just kidding. But it's McKenna, you know, like when he, like, picked her up and put her on the desk and everyone's making fun of her because her ankles are like straight up. Oh, I'm sorry. That's hilarious, though. That's hilarious. So, DeAndre, you know, like you just touched on, we didn't see all that much of you. We didn't hear your side of things. So this is why we're so happy to have you here today and get your take.

Just through expressing this frustration, is there anything that you wish when you were on the show that you would have done differently or changed? I think I wish I would have been more aggressive. I felt like my whole moment. motto was if Peter has a connection with me, he has a natural connection with me and I don't, you know, want to push anything. I want to be as naturally forming as possible. But I guess I wish I would have been more aggressive because I see the other girls who were aggressive and I guess he like really appreciated that. Like, you know, showing affection, more affection. Like I kind of took a step back and was like, hey, you know, like if he feels something with me, he's going to like, it's going to be mutual. We're going to, you know, meet each other halfway. But when there's

30 girls, you can't meet halfway. You're going to have to take the extra step. So I feel like I wish I would have been more aggressive, but at the end of the day, like, no regrets. It is what it is. You know, we weren't made for each other, I guess. And that's just our story. Looking back now, does Pete feel like your type? Like, outside of the show, if you were to meet him in a bar, is he somebody that you would gravitate towards and go for? I would say yes and no. He was very comforting and, like, we had good conversations. But now, looking back on the conversations that he's having with other girls, I don't necessarily think that we had all that much in common. And he once told me his favorite comfort food was craft mac and cheese.

And then once he said that, I just knew we weren't made for each other because I was like homemade mac and cheese over craft mac and cheese. Sweetie, come on. What are we doing? hilarious. I love that. You know what? Coming from somebody who loves all, every single type of mac and cheese imaginable, you know, I see both sides to that one. Wow. Becca? You're like, We are compatible. DeAndra and I, clearly, apparently, according to her, won't work out, unfortunately. That's what I'm saying. Oh, my gosh.

I don't even like cheese. So I'm completely taken out of this relationship. It's over between us. We all got to go. We all going to get out of here. So you, I was shocked Deandra to actually see you go home. I know we didn't see a lot of you, but you're gorgeous. And I really appreciated you, like I said, stepping up.

and really expressing how you feel. And as you mentioned, Peter does like a confident woman who says what's on her mind. And so I felt like, you know, we, I don't, you know, there's so much we don't see. So I don't know if Peter got to see you. But, oh, and then you killed it on the football field. I mean, come on. Thank you. Thank you.

As a football fan, I was very, very proud of you. So I was shocked. So how did you feel when your name wasn't called for Rose? I was hurt, really hurt. The conversation that Peter and I had before I got sent home was not a I'm a send you home conversation. It was like, Dander, I see you. You know, I see that you put an effort on the football field because, listen, I've never played tackle football before. But what I tell you, I gave it my all, because I was like, maybe Peter will appreciate this.

This is me putting forth the effort. I just was shocked. I was like, okay, I mean, if you don't see me after, I let our team to. Me halfway and, you know, I don't know. I just was frustrated with the whole situation. I spoke my mind and I wanted him to hear me and it didn't resonate well with him, I guess, and I just have to say it is what it is. Well, I think what's frustrating and so please correct me if I'm wrong because I have to try

to remind people, yes, Becca and I have been on The Bachelor and then we've been Bachelorette. But a lot of times people want us to assume what is done behind the scenes. And Becca and I are like, we can't do things. that if we weren't a part of that season. So we watch it as viewers and we critique the season in that way. So watching as a viewer, it is, it was frustrating for us because it seems like there were so many of you who truly didn't get time with Peter. Is that really the, was that really the case? Was it really focused on just those certain, you know, six, seven girls that were with the drama or were there things we just didn't get to see? I mean, a lot of the

conversations that you saw like for instance of the pool party the conversations that he had that was really all he had he didn't have time for the rest of us i think they were like seven or eight girls that did get time so it really was focused on a lot of the same girls but um and then again at the cocktail party when a layer returns uh half of us didn't get time so i mean what you're seeing is kind of what you're getting but at the same time you're not seeing a couple of the conversations that are had at like dates and stuff where we really did get to connect with peter um and so you don't get to see the rest of us develop those relationships that really were there, which is why we feel strongly or why you see girls crying. They're not just crying because they're crying because they have

some sort of connection with Peter. And then when they don't get their time, they're frustrated in it. I will say, I thought at one point, because as you guys have touched on, there is so much that we just don't see that can't make it into the episode. So of course, like some relationships are evolving even though we don't necessarily see it because the drama takes it away. there was one point where I thought Natasha was just going to be like, screw this, I'm leaving, I'm going home. I'm over it. I would have bet money that she was just done and she was just ready to throw in the tell and be like, this isn't worth it. I'm not progressing my relationship. He's only fed up in this drama. So, you know, I had the moment where I was like, oh, this girl's leaving. She's sending herself home. Yeah. I mean, Natasha actually had a really good relationship with Peter. She was one of the girls that was continuing. getting times. So I think that's why she was also really frustrated. She was frustrated for the rest of us that didn't get time and how, you know, L.A. came back and, like, the drama continued. So she was right in her frustrations, but she really did have a connection with Peter. So,

I mean, as much as she was frustrated, I don't think she would ever want to send herself home. There's so many different feuds to ask you about. I think we've covered most of them, but I got to ask you, what do you think about Victoria F? and that's you know i was never close with victoria f in the house so again like there was a couple girls that i just wasn't close to just because naturally like we time out with different people or we were never on the same dates to me victoria f was really quiet she was more of like the reserved girl and then when i was on the revolved date with her which i somehow didn't make it into that date at all yeah but yeah i don't know how that happened um you know i got to see her

open up a little bit, you know, she tried to put herself out there by wearing the lingerie and everything like that. But, I mean, mainly I saw Victoria F as like the quiet girl reserved and then at a moment she would like snap. But that's like the most I got out of it because I never really interacted with her all that much. Did Alaya tell everybody in the house about what happened on Victoria F's date or how did that circulate throughout the house? So it never really did circulate to me. So I remember the exact moment that Victoria F found out, but I never heard directly from Alaya about the Chase Rice situation.

So I don't know who exactly she told it directly to that it trickled on or trickled out. But at the same time, I'm like, I don't really understand why it was such a big deal. Because at the end of the day, you know, everyone was going to find out eventually or, you know, the outside world probably already knew. But, you know, maybe Victoria F had told her not to say anything. or maybe someone had mentioned to Alley and don't say anything, but I don't really understand why that was taken to a different level.

The moment that champagne was taken to a different level, everything in that house is exaggerated. Oh, right, right. Every little object is going to be blown out of proportion in future episodes and seasons. I'm just calling it now. Love it. So I was going to steal someone's pen and we're going to have the send phone home over it. Pengate, pen ink.

It sounds like that you, you escaped, really. I don't know if I should call it a bad thing because it sounds like you got away. And as we know, there are other opportunities that come about in this Bachelor franchise. I mean, dare we say it, Becca, but there's Paradise. Paradise. How would you feel about that? I mean, I would definitely be open to Paradise. And I think that having multiple people that you can potentially be interested in and you know get to know is a lot better than just having one since everyone has such different personalities right um and at least with paradise it's not just one person that everyone's vying for as you said but both the men and the women can take take the power

in their hands if you will and they both have the opportunity to hand out roses and so i mean i'm just saying that right now i'd love to see you on that beach oh wow i would love to see me on that beach too, honey. You heard it from her first. Are there any guys that you would like to see on the beach? I mean, I just keep a really open mind. Like, there's no one that I mean that I'm like super dead set on. But I mean, obviously, like Tyler C is really cute.

Okay. Anybody else? Anybody else? Go ahead and name them. They might be listening. So let's just shoot a shot now. You got Tyler C. Who else?

Yeah. Why not? This is too much pressure. I can't throw on me. Let's start planting some seeds. I mean, there are a whole. new crop of guys that we'll see come from the Bachelorette season. So those will be, are those, they will be in paradise as well. But anybody else? I mean, I think I'd have to wait for the

fresh batch of guys because I feel like, you know, Bachelor nation, everyone kind of recycles within. I'm like, who's talk for who? I don't know stage coach was going to be such an issue. I'm like, wow. Deander wants the fresh meat that has not been tainted. I do. I do. Are you a fan of country music? I'm actually not the biggest fan of country music I mean obviously I respect I respect it but I'm not like die hard huge fans Deandra that's fantastic you're already going to be a leg up

ahead of many of the castes Have the past will be there Let me just say please just don't We sat on Paradise last year So many alliances were formed and people like budding up and or what am I saying budding up and coupling up Budding and bedding up is correct, actually.

All of the above. We saw it all happen prior to actual paradise, which I think made it a little bit tainted for us viewers. So please, as you said, just keep an open mind because I would love to see like a true, authentic connection unfold. That's just my selfishly. No, I respect that.

And I kind of like that. I don't like the taintedness before because I'm like, if we all have history, why are we here? And we might go to state outside of paradise. And as two big sisters who've been through, We haven't been to paradise, but we've been through our own seasons, and we've been on The Bachelor. There will be plenty of guys from past seasons and for this upcoming season that will slide into your DMs.

So, you know, just be prepared, just slyly push them away and say, I'll see you on the beach. I'll see you in my bikini. Can't wait. I'm going to take that advice. I will take that advice to heart. Before we let you go, what kind of catch our listeners up as to what you've been up. to what you've been doing since the show has ended? I mean, since the show has ended, I mean, life kind of resumed as normal.

Right now, I'm in the transition stage of, like, moving on from what I was doing before to hopefully going into a new career path because I was a care coordinator before. And I just kind of want to transition into, like, a different industry, maybe sales or something like that. So I've just been working on, you know, my career and focusing on myself, definitely not dating. That's right, keep an open mind. You're saving it for the beach. Right. I'm just like, I'm not going to force anything. I'm not going to put myself out there. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I'll sleep on the beach if not. Yeah, but I've been like taking time to focus on myself and work on being a better person and developing and, you know, looking inside. Deandra, do you still talk to some of the girls from the season? Oh, the group chat. Oh, I know y'all have that group chat. That group chat is popping. Don't lie. Do we have a group chat? I know. I never confirmed or denied that we have made.

Okay. Well, you know what I was going to say? I was actually going to say something really messy. I was going to say, you know what? Y'all probably don't because the theme, and this is what I'm going to name episode five, is I am not here to make friends. And that seems to be the theme of this episode and your entire season. So I actually would be shocked if y'all did have one. Y'all probably have about five or six. There's so much drama between so many girls that I can't. imagine all 28 or 30, however many, getting into one. That just seems chaotic. Before we let you go, we have to play a game with you as we like to do with our guest. So we're going to play a really quick game where we're going to read a sentence and then you fill in the blank when we read the sentence. Okay. Don't hold back. Say the first thing that comes to your mind. Are you ready, Deandra? Yes, ma'am. Okay. First one. After the show, the first thing I did was

came home, hugged my family, and traveled. Oh. Where did you travel to? I went to Maine to see my mom. Maine. I've always wanted to go. Okay, we'll talk about that off air. Okay, next up. Who I missed the most from home was?

My big sister, Danica. She's my best friend. Oh, I feel that. I like that. I think I miss my sister the most, too. Yes. Whoever is listening. She's a winner.

You are a winner. winner. You are a catch. Thank you. Since we didn't get to see these conversations on air, we're having them right now. Okay, one thing I regret while being on the show was. Not showing more of my personality or being more aggressive. Hey, well, again, Paradise.

You can be as aggressive on that beach as you want, girl. Exactly. All right. Next, where are we? Watching the show back has been. Interesting. makes a lot of sense now. Hmm.

Well said. All right. These girls are my blank. These girls are my... These girls are my... I mean, all of them? Yeah, just the girls as a whole. These girls are my...

I feel like it's like sister wives. Okay. I was going to say the cause of gray hairs, but that's... No, I was going to say, frenemies but you know you know them better than we do Rachel with the jab I well I was going to say something else

and then I love it that was the nicer one what was it Rachel Philly? Next one next one next one my last oh my last rose ceremony was disappointing yeah I feel that all right something I learned about myself on the show Is that I need a loan time to be able to connect with my thoughts.

Yes. That was the one thing. How hard was that for you to always constantly be having to be with the girls and the producers and in the interviews, everything? For me, I grew up with 11 siblings. So, like, I was just used to naturally being around a lot of people. But, like, having that alone time with, like, you know, where you're secluded and, you know, take time to yourself. It was really beneficial to, like, recharge. Yes.

Oh, 1,000%. I hope Peter picks I love a sigh I'm like yeah at this point I hope he picked Hannah B because the amount of times that she was showing up like I hope that you guys have been up together

you were on the date when Hannah B came no I wasn't on the date okay when you found out that she showed up what were your thoughts what was the feeling and the how else and start there. So when she showed up the first time to give him back his wings, I was like, great, this is really beneficial for him helping move on.

When she showed up the second time, I was still like, okay, fine. But I just can't respect the conversation that they had seeing it after they aired. I'm like, don't come back and, you know, say, did I make a mistake and have Peter question his ability to look at us as potential, you know, fiancés or relationships that he wants to have. So once it crossed that line of like, what are we doing? Did I make a mistake? That's when I was like, okay, Hannah, you don't need to be doing this. Yeah, but did you blame Hannah or Peter?

Because I, and I'm sorry, like, we're so digging deep, but you are the first guest that we've had or the first girl that we've had from the season. And I do really want to know your perspective of what it was like to know that you put your life on hold to come, be on Peter's season, and then Hannah shows up and then you see, because you only heard about it before. Now you've seen their intimate conversation. right really what were your thoughts and what is the group chat saying what group chat um i at first when she's coming back i respect it because i mean i feel like if you can look at your ex and still

want to move on and find happiness that shows true growth so like that's fine with me if she wanted to hang around that's fine but just knowing that i put my life on the line and then seeing the conversation that they're having about you know both her and peter like did we make mistakes I can't respect that because there's 30 girls out here who literally stopped their lives to come out here and try to find a connection with you, Peter. But did you, and so in that instance, did you question Peter and like if he was truly ready to move on? Oh, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely both. Like, I mean, Hannah B coming back, but then Peter also like taking her in and saying, well, like, let's, even allowing that conversation, I did look at Peter, like, do you know what you want? And I think that's, you know, that's one of the things I did ask him when we had our last conversation before I got sent home is like you know you know you're here for a reason like

what do you want like do you want a girl who's going to be in the drama do you want you know past relationships what do you want right what do you want peter yeah who do you feel okay last question who do you feel was more to blame with that conversation Hannah or Peter I think Hannah because I think she knows the control that she has over Peter I think that you know A girl knows when a guy has feelings for her still. And, you know, she saw the way that he acted the first night and how he, it meant so much for her to come back and give the wings. And then seeing him that day, I mean, you can tell. You can tell that he's torn.

So I feel like I bled Hannah mainly for bringing up those feelings again for him. Because he's obviously trying to move on and she's just like bringing back those feelings. Okay. No, Rachel, you sound like, no, you sound like you have an opinion. I want to hear it. Oh, I've already given my opinion on it. I mean, I thought it was selfish for her to come back. So thank you for giving us the inside scoop and your opinion.

We will now resume the game again. So the next question is, next question, I hope on women tell all blank. Everyone tells each other exactly how they feel without getting their feelings hurt. That is so good. Team, me. I hope happens. I don't know if the set.

I think people will definitely get their feelings hurt. That is going to be one long women tell all. Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. I'll be there. Can I be there? Can we, can reach tonight please be in the audience? I wish you guys would.

You'll be on tour. Damn it. I'll represent for both of us. I will be there. Sipping tea. Actually, no, I'm going to need something a little stronger than that. But I'll be sipping a little something. A water bottle full of wine.

You need to be texting me. No, stronger than wine. Stronger than wine. She needs Some whiskey All right Okay next one We got two more left for you

Cheers to Blank Cheers to finding love And finding not love Okay Yes All right And last one Up next for me is blank

Up next for me is everything I feel like the future is just so Undecided for me right now So that's what's up for next is like figuring out what my next step is in relationships and life and work and everything. Insert Paradise theme song here. I love that.

Okay, well, DeAndra, thank you so much for joining us on the podcast. Thank you for being open and honest. You know, we like to create a safe space where people can feel free to just talk. You know, say things that you haven't had the opportunity to say before. And we thank you for doing that. We definitely are excited for everything that's to come for you. The sky is the limit. We can't wait to watch you on the beaches of paradise.

Hopefully you're in the first or second group that comes because that's like the sweet spot to be in. We'll just go ahead and put that out there. Hopefully the producers are listening. But yes, thank you so much for being here. No, thank you guys so much for having me. I don't want to leave. I wish we could just stay on the phone. But thank you so much for being so understanding and listening to me and hearing me.

I love it. Of course. Well, thank you. We can't wait to see what is ahead for you because I feel like it's going to be amazing, amazing things. Let's hope. Thanks, Sandra. Of course.

Bye, guys. All right. So you know what time it is, Becca. It is time for the cats and rats of the week. There are some cats and some rats. Mm-hmm. I'll kick this one off. So for the cat, I'm giving it to my girl, Kelly.

She's clearly my favorite at this point. I guess because I just feel like I relate to her. so many levels, just watching her on the season or the lack of seeing her on the season. She just stays away from the drama. So yes, giving it to Kelly, I like that we were able to see a little bit more of what she's going through and what she's thinking. Happy she had a rose, happy we will see her again next week. I'm going to give my rat to Kelsey. That was a rat move for her to sneak off and go see Peter, didn't tell anybody what she was doing, to tell Peter, what was being said in the house when that information had not been relayed to Peter.

And who knows if it ever would have gotten to Peter? We don't know. So the fact that she used that, whenever you do that, it's very manipulative. And she knew what she was doing. And she was trying to put a dagger in Tammy's back. And she kind of did. I mean, Tammy got a rose, but she kind of did. Okay.

Well, I'm going to give two different girls. I'm going to disagree a little bit here. I want to start first with my rat of the week. I want to end on a high note with the cat. Oh, very good. My rat this week, as much as I was rooting for her, is going to go to Tammy because of, I think, the way she vocalized her issues to Peter and the rest, but mainly to the way she didn't vocalize, because in the scenario where Kelsey's asking, who said this, who said these things about me, Tammy just kind of sat back. And in that moment, I wish she would have taken initiative because we're all going to see it. it's all on camera and I wish she would have just said it was me and I said that because of

X, Y, Z. There was a lack of initiative there and I wanted to see more and I just also don't think it was her place to throw around drinking problems and pill problems. So I will leave it at that, but my cat is going to somebody who people might not think because she unfortunately went home, but I'm going to give it to Cheyenne because the entire season, she tried to play fair. She just wanted that time with Peter and always unfortunately fell short. There was always something in her way.

But from everything that I saw, she seemed like a sweetheart. Her heart seemed to be in the right place. But I also appreciate that she left Peter with just keep an eye out. Just like follow your heart, listen to yourself, but just know that like you deserve love. And I know that you're trying to follow your heart, but just be aware of something's happening. And so I'm going to give it to Shan this week. That was really good. cannot disagree with you on those. Very good. Thank you, Rachel. All right. Well, that is all for us this

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