Bachelor Happy Hour - Demi's Picks, Plus: Peter's Thoughts During Hannah Convo

Episode Date: January 14, 2020

Demi Burnett joins Rachel and Becca to discuss Peter's emotional week and share her predictions after getting to know several of the women while hosting a group date for next week’s show. Plus, an exclusive clip from Peter on what was going through his head when he asked Hannah to stay.Don't forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We have such a good show for you because you all saw the premiere. You know how good it was. We can't wait to talk even in more depth about that and this next episode. So as usual, we have so much to discuss with you guys, so many opinions, so many laughs. I mean, this season is not going to disappoint. Peter's season's already off to an amazing start. There's so much to dive into, Becca. I can't wait to hear your takes on this.

I can't wait to get this episode started because, as Rachel said, we have so much in store for you today, so much to cover. We are looking forward to interviewing today's guest because she's one of my personal favorites, as well as answering some questions from you all and giving us. Our thoughts on Peter's season of The Bachelor. We are now a couple episodes in, and we have so much to cover, as well as what to expect in the coming episodes. So without further ado, let's get started. I have to say, it's hard because we're not together, Becca. And every single time we've podcasted, we've been in the same room together.

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All right. So I have to start out with a sigh. I don't even know where to start. Okay. So we interviewed Peter last week and there were so many things that I wanted to say. And I'm sure you did too, Becca. But I was trying to be nice because you know. when we do this podcast. It's, you know, I don't, I don't want to say that I don't, I'm, I'm not trying to offend

anyone. It's, you know, it's not personal. It's business. And we do this podcast. It's a business. And we are giving our opinions about what we see and critiquing the episode. So it's nothing personal to the people that we're talking about. It's just analyzing what we see. Oh, and I have so much to say about Hannah coming back. Well, and Rachel, when we last spoke and when we were in the studio with Peter, it was tough because we had just seen Hannah come back. There was the whole to be continued episode, so it left us hanging, and there was a lot that Peter couldn't expand on when we were asking him all these questions.

So I know you guys had a lot of questions, and we did too, and we asked them to Peter, and we couldn't play everything for you guys last week because we didn't want to give some things away, but we did ask Peter some of those burning questions that you had. And so we're going to roll the clip right now so you can hear what he had to say. I guess my confusion is knowing everything that Hannah put you through, you know, and the story you just shared, which I get it. Like, I would be devastated, honestly, to sit and watch that, knowing what you knew that the rest of us had no idea that y'all had even had those private conversations. You were still willing to give her a chance to come back on your season and why?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, that was, looking back on it, I mean, obviously, I don't know if that was like the best call, but I was just, listen, at that point, again, it was so early for me in my whole journey going on that I had no real feelings, you know, for any of the woman yet at that point. And I knew that, believe me, I knew the backlash of this could all cause me asking to come back. Like, I was prostitized in my head as I was talking to Hannah, but I'm like, I have to follow my heart. Like I obviously still feel something for her. I can tell she still feels something for me. And I was willing to continue to possibly pursue that. Do you think a part of you too, because, you know, obviously, as your parents said last week, like, you are people pleaser.

Do you think part of it was because you felt like it would be easier to say it, hey, yes, come back in that moment than to like sit here and see her cry and, you know, feel like a heartbreak all over again? Did part of you feel bad where you're like, well, do you just want to give it a shot? Or was it, did you truly still want to really explore what was there? I mean, probably a little bit of both. I, again, I realized throughout this whole time, these last two months, that I really am someone that I need in order to fully move on just because when I fall in love, I give my everything. For me to 100% move on, it takes that next person. It does. and I hadn't found that person at that point, even though I really, because I remember telling everyone as I decided, yeah, like I would love to be The Bachelor, I felt like I was ready. And I wouldn't have done it if I didn't think I was ready.

I found out a couple weeks in. I really probably wasn't 100% ready at that moment. It was probably a little bit too soon from when I had broken up. And, I mean, that's why that conversation happened and it took place. So now that we've seen a bit more, we know more of the context of their conversation and obviously how it played out. You know, Rachel, I think you had a very firm opinion about Hannah coming back,

and you were just kind of confused about why she did decide to show back up and where she wasn't her feelings and if she still liked him but didn't want to stay, all of that. So Hannah hosting the date, was it a good idea after all? I think, you know, having an ex come back and I can speak to this personally is always very difficult. There's always so many more feelings that get stirred up. And I think in Peter's position being the lead, like he said yes to be The Bachelor and he was so excited. You wanted to find his person and to find love. And I think at that point, he was like, yes, I'm ready.

You know, the door had closed with Hannah. And then obviously, you know, it popped open a little bit when she came back out of the limo night one and then hosting. And so we obviously, I could put myself in his position and be like, oh, dang. I had my ex show up and like, what do I do in this situation? It's tough. But what did you do, Becca? What did you do in that situation? Well, in totally different situations.

When my ex showed up on R.A. season, I mean, that definitely, as I've said before, should not have happened. That chapter for me had been closed, like locked, walked down the hallway, closed to another door. It was done. I think for Peter, since it was still such a fresh breakup, it was more difficult for him. now for me personally I like to leave the past in the past and I think it belongs there for a reason

and so I give both of them props for walking away on good terms you know it's it wasn't obviously easy for either of them because there were tears and I think it was good though for him to be like look I'm still going to do this

I have a great group of girls and for Hannah to still be like you know what I have so much ahead of me I'm sure at that point dancing with the stars had been Yeah, did Hannah say that? Did Hannah say, I have so much ahead of me? You know, well, as we know, Rachel, are you putting words in a round. There are conversations that probably were cut. But I think at that point, timing-wise, I definitely think she knew she had bigger and, I don't want to say better, but big things ahead of her.

Okay. So, do I think it was a good idea for Hannah to host the date? Yes. So a lot of people keep messaging me and they're like, How much was this production and was this really true that Hannah, you know, had these emotions and why did Hannah come back? So let me just say this. When you're the lead, it's like winning a pageant, right? Once you win, there's certain duties that you have to do. And kind of like you have to do a tour when you're Miss USA and go around to the States or whatever and do all these things, shake hands, smile, kiss babies, all that good stuff. Same thing when you're a lead. There's certain things that you have to do.

One of them is you usually see the lead come back on the next person season. It just happens. And that's fine. That, yes, that is a part of production. What's not a part of it is what we saw with the emotions and what happened after Hannah stepped off that stage. And she was crying in that room with Peter. That is not production. That was real life.

That really happened. So just to answer that for all the people who are messaging us, that's that. And that's what I hate when people always ask. Like, are things produced, like, we're those tears fake? It's like everything that we feel being on the show is us and our raw emotions. Like, you caught me crying thousands of times. Rachel, you cried a handful of times. You know, your lashes fell off.

So it's like, those are the real raw emotions. Like, yes, there are certain things that we have to go through and hoops we have to cross. But what we say and what we feel, like, that's all real. And so I think Hannah in that moment, she didn't think it was going to hit her like it did. when she saw him now with all these other women. And so you can't make that stuff up. All right. So here's where we start disagreeing.

So I have a huge issue of what happened in that room. And this is why. And I'm going to use a word that Hannah used. It was selfish. She said that. She said, I feel like I'm being selfish. Well, you are. And I did not think that that was the time and place to do that.

I guess I'm stuck in a place of you have this platform and you stand up and you talk about how you know you know where you are and you know what you want and you know what like where you're going and this this whole empowerment and you've overcome everything that happened to you with Jed and that was part of the reason why you stood up and you asked Tyler out because when you know what you want you go forward and you know who you are and then at the side of Peter all of that goes away And I just don't think it's fair to Peter, and I guess that's the perspective that I'm coming from. You had your opportunity, not once, but twice, as Peter revealed to us with their conversation on AFR. And then literally 24 hours after that, you asked Tyler out on a date, knowing that Peter's probably watching. Then it blew up in your face with Tyler and whatever happened happened with that. Now you want you see Peter and you're regretting your decisions again. That is not fair to Peter. It's not fair to the people who have put their lives on hold to come and pursue some type of relationship with Peter.

That's not fair. And I just didn't like that moment. I didn't think that it was fair that Peter is, it's his time, it's his journey, and here you come, doing all that you did, all that you did, and confusing Peter. And the thing is, it would have been different if Hannah had come in. And she would have been very matter of fact. Listen, I made a mistake. I don't like the way that I handled it. I want you.

Very matter of fact. But that's not what she did. She came in there and she kept saying, maybe, I don't know. I'm confused. That's not fair. Peter was very definitive when he said, do you want to come into the house? And then as he told us, I would give this up for you.

I just wish that Hannah would have said, you know what, Peter? I've already signed a conference. contract with Dancing with the Stars. So this really isn't going to work. That's what really, it's the wishy-washiness, the flip-flop, the confusion. It's, it was selfish. You know what it kind of reminded me of going back to Colton's season when, you know, he jumped the fence, he wanted Cassie, and she was still kind of wishy-washy and wasn't quite, it felt like as a viewer, it wasn't quite all there, like she wasn't all in, I'm going to say balls deep to like go into the relationship. that's how I felt like this reminded me of like I was watching it and I was like inching towards

the screen like trying to pull more out like why why like I wanted definitive answers and so that really made me feel like when I was watching Colton and Cassie being like what is it that you want like just be direct and be specific she doesn't know yeah and that's the problem don't come don't open this can of worms if you don't know it's like which I think that's what's frustrating it's like which girl are you are you the girl who's stands up. It's like, I know what I want. I know who I am and I'm going after it. Or are you like a flip-flopper, which is what was so frustrating. And so my heart went out to Peter in that moment because I just thought, my gosh, this is so unfair. Like you had your opportunity. Wait till after his season's over with. I don't think it was a bad idea, though, for her to do the date. It was a little messy. It was a little messy on production side to have her stand up there and talk about their sexual encounter and tell that. story but I thought it was it would have been entertaining if it just would have ended there and I agree and I think if the date would have gone as planned it could have been really funny and I think that was obviously what was in the productions mind is like this could be gold we could get some really great funny stories obviously it did not pan out that way for me watching it though you know we see Peter side of things we we obviously saw the girls reacting to Hannah showing up for me if I was one of those girls though on that date I would have been pissed.

I mean, it's like you put everything on the line. You give up so much for this opportunity to date someone. And in this setting of the bachelor world, like, time is of the essence. Like, you need to really soak in as much time as possible with the Bachelor and who he's trying to get to know. And I feel like it took away so much from his time with those girls that I get where their anger came from. You know, I'm not trying to downplay Peter's emotions. because if I was him, I would be very confused, too, and I would need a hot second to kind of ride my head around everything that went down.

But those girls, rightfully so, I would have been pissed too. I'd been like, look, like, I just moved across the country for a couple months, potentially. Like, I gave up my job to try to date you. Like, you owe us that time. Yep, yep. And I would have been like, it's not the Hannah show. We already watched that season, okay? It's Peter's season right now.

I would have been extremely frustrated if I was one of the women. But I would have never shown it to Peter I would have just held it within You know what I mean? Because like you said it's so well, Becca Time is of the essence and it's precious in these moments Like every minute is like an hour And so as frustrated as I would have been I would not have taken up my time with Peter to discuss that

You know I might have once said yeah Today was a really tough day how are you feeling I would have reached out to him because I knew it would have been emotional But I would not have dwelt on this Yeah. But I, I, oh, this is what I was going to say. Did you, my, I guess this is my thought on this. The girls that he put on that date were not his top girls. That's my prediction. You would not subject the girls that you're feeling the most about, like, that you have the strongest feelings for on that date with your ex. Would you? I would have never put Brian on that date. I think I, well, I think I agree with that, Simon. I also think because, as And I don't know if Peter did the same, but when I was, when I was bachelorette, I was able to pick and choose who I wanted on specific dates. And I would have put people who I thought, like, were tough and could kind of brush it off

and blow it off and get over it quickly on that one because I knew, I would probably know going into it wouldn't be an easy one. And he knew he was going to have a lot of answers to give to these girls. So I probably would have also tried to pick some strong girls that are like, oh, it's fine. Like, they'll brush it off. Like, you know, it hopefully won't delay them that much in their feelings and negativity. Can you imagine the disappointment, though?

You know, last season it was like Karen from Will and Grace and, you know, you've had Ellen and Ashton Coucher and meet, like on these dates, these first week dates, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, all this stuff. Rachel, don't forget, I had Lil John. Exactly. And then the lights come on and it's Hannah and you're like, her, his ex. that's who's here on the date with us. Again. I'd be pissed. I would be so pissed.

Rachel, if you were, I would have just loved to see your facial expressions, I think, when the lights went on and you would have seen her. I would have played it. I'm telling you, I would have played it very cool. I might have said something in my interview in my, what do you call those? ITMs. Yes, I would have probably said something in my ITMs, but I would have just played it nice. But that's disappointing for this. Well, you know, it's funny, too.

If you watch that clip when the lights come on and they show Hannah, half the girls stand there and they're like, okay. And then there's a couple who like jump up and down and clap. And I'm like, you know the girls who have watched The Bachelor and Bachelor before who like all of the past contestants. And then, you know, I don't think that lasted very long because then she's still Peter away. And let's be honest. Hannah looked like she didn't want to be there either. She was like, hey, ladies. Well, it was her birthday.

Let me tell you about this damn windmill again. Yeah, it was her birthday. And she's probably like, oh, man. I just want a bottle of champagne and to shove my face in some cake. So one question that I had watching last night's episode was when Peter said that he was ready to be The Bachelor and then the girls questioned him, do, I was wondering, was he truthful in that moment? And as he just said, he found out a couple weeks in that maybe he wasn't quite ready. And that's just something that you have to go through in the moment. I mean, at that point, he was a couple weeks in and couldn't be like, hey, guys.

sorry I'm not going to be the bachelor anymore by that's not possible so I think I think he was being honest with himself I think though going into it he he was not prepared for what was about to hit him um and so I think the girls had every right to question you know were you truthful in saying that you are ready to pursue us to pursue new relationships to be the bachelor to take on this major role and to have all this pressure on your shoulders I would have questioned him too. I totally get where they were coming from. Yeah, I think it's a valid question. And I think Peter handled it well in the sense that he was ready for it. He acknowledged, like, I can only imagine how hard it was for him to face the women and tell them, hey, this is what happened.

This is how it made me feel. And I kind of need a moment to regroup because I want to be present for you guys. And I thought that that was really respectful that he did that. And then I thought it was respectful that he gave them the opportunity to vent. and let them express how it made them feel. I'm telling, Peter is really handling being the Bachelor well. I agree. Yeah, the way he is with the women, the way he leans in, he's very comforting, he's understanding, he listens. I mean, when he grabbed those flowers off that fence, that wall, whatever it was, and brought them into her, I said, okay. Rachel, that was one of my favorite moments, which we'll get to later.

I loved that that he, the fact that he remembered that Victoria had said, I've never received a flower or rose from someone and that he then took that days later and remembered that and made that moment special. I think, like you said, he's handling this role so well. He, he's doing the perfect balance job of giving and taking from the girls. Like, he's giving enough of himself, but also wanting to take from the girls and ask the right questions and to truly get to know him and to know them. I worded that very strange. No, no, we get it. We totally get what you're saying, and it's so true. Now, something you mentioned, Becca, was champagne.

And so, and it was the perfect segue because I want to talk about champagne gate. I mean, who would have known that champagne would be, I mean, that champagne would get a rose. That's basically the way I'm going to phrase it, because champagne was the 22nd girl in the house. Oh, my gosh. I will say I love champagne, so I take my champagne very seriously. Well, you and Kelsey have that in common. You know, if I was Kelsey, I would be upset. But I don't think it should have escalated the way that it did.

This, watching this back, I mean, I was watching it with Garrett and he, his jaw was just dropped. He's like, is this for real? Are these girls seriously fighting about this right now? And I have to admit, for Kelsey, yes. It sucks. She had been saving that bottle for a year. She should have probably just popped it open on her own. But does champagne age like wine, like fine wine? I don't know about that. I was dying to see the brand of it. I was like, what brand is this? I'm going to be able to tell. I've never, I've never been able to keep a bottle on the shelf that long because I love it so much. So I would have just popped it open right away when I got it for my birthday gift. But the way it escalated between Kelsey and Hannah Ann was just to me unbelievable. Now I know, yes. it's a TV show and there has to be drama and these moments.

But I think it was blown out of proportion. And Rachel, you know this. Like the ins and outs of the show. And of course, when there's cocktail parties and roast ceremonies, the girls try to do cute things for the lead. The fact that there were two setups, though, obviously, like the girls can't go to a liquor store and buy a bottle of champagne.

So they had to have help. I truly believe Hannah Ann when she says she didn't know I don't think she would have been that malicious to go and be like oh I'm going to take this girl's birthday gift and pop it open with Peter and drink it all but I also don't think Kelsey should have reacted in the way that she did I think you know if I was Kelsey I would have gone over there and been like well you're drinking my champagne so I'm popping in too

and you better give me a glass like she should have laughed it off better because let's be honest Peter has how many girls left 20 something. You know, a handful of girls where he still wants to have fun and keep it lighthearted. Like there's enough pressure and emotion on him that he doesn't need to deal with girls crying over

a drink. Yeah, I felt like, girl, do you hear yourself? Just take a moment, take a breath, and listen to what you're arguing about. We're talking about champagne. Champagne. Are you kidding me right now?

I just, the lack of self-aware awareness with this group of women is baffling to me. I, when I listen, Kelsey definitely overreacted. You're right. So to answer that question, did Kelsey overreact? A hundred percent. It was champagne. You're a beautiful girl. You finally are getting your moment to talk to Peter and you're crying over a bottle of champagne. Like, it's, it's a deal. That was a deal breaker for me if I was Peter. Exactly. And even, before that we saw her arguing with McKenna about McKenna stealing. Who's McKenna?

McKenna's the blonde like the bubbly blonde that I think is she from Canada? The one from Canada. Oh, she's the Canadian. Okay. So basically we saw McKenna asked Peter for a moment which, okay, we've all done it. We of course all want to talk to Peter. I totally understand McKenna pulling him aside.

She kind of got upset with McKenna being like, that's not right, but really, like, that's the name of the game. Like, if McKenna had the chance, she's, of course, going to take it. So I feel like her anger in the beginning of the night was even misplaced in kind of going at McKenna and getting upset at her for doing that. And then, of course, clearly she just blew off. I, look, I knew when Kelsey set the bottle of champagne down with the glasses and put the blanket there and made this cute setup, I called it.

I was like, oh, someone's going to go in there and take it. you know that's what was going to happen. I guess. Oh, go so. I'm sorry. There's no way that, like, people couldn't see that coming from a mile away. I mean, they just amped it up so much. You know, she was so fixated on this bottle of champagne that I called it from the beginning.

But, again, Rachel, as you said, it is champagne. It is an alcoholic drink. Like, she should have just gone in there. You know what she should have done is just snuck right in between Hannah Ann and Peter, grabbed a glass and just started drinking with them. And, you know, that's what I'm saying. Blow it off. You're so right.

This is, like you said, it's the name of the game, right? And it mirrors life. Things in life just aren't going to come at you and fall in your lap. If you want something, you have to work for it and go after it. So when you saw McKenna come in, then you should have been like, you know what? You've had your time. I'm going to do it. I'm going to come in.

Or wait till they finish. Be the next girl there and ready to take your moment. You have to go after what you want. Have you not seen an episode? So it's just like, it's just not going to fall off a tree into your lap. I just don't understand it. So I want to first start on your last point, Rachel, regarding the bullying that Hannah-Anne said was going on.

Now, I take bullying very seriously. I think that word should not be thrown around lightly. I think what Kelsey was doing in that moment was she was angry. She was spewing out words and her anger obviously was directed towards Hannah-Anne. and she, you know, was saying that she's a princess and X, Y, Z. I wouldn't say that's bullying. I think in that moment she was mad. She was angry.

I don't think it repeatedly was occurring. I think it was in that one situation. Now, going back to how Hannah Ann reacted, I think she, putting myself in that position, I think Hannah Ann probably handled it as best she could. She approached Kelsey. She tried to have a conversation with her. She asked, you know, for her to sit down and hash it out. And Kelsey, in that moment, was not having it.

She didn't want anything to do with her. So it's like, what was Hannah supposed to do? Keep pushing and pushing and pushing. I think, and we saw the conversation between Tammy and Hannah Ann, where Tammy was like, well, that was actually Kelsey's bottle that you used. And Hannah was, Hannah Ann was shocked and like, oh, crap, dang, I didn't know. There was another setup that I should have gone to. Like she acknowledges, okay, there were two setups and I went to the wrong one. She's not saying, oh, no, I didn't do anything wrong.

But I also think that in that moment, Hannah Ann should have, you know, just let it go, let it breathe, and then approached her the next day or in two days or whenever Kelsey had chilled out a little bit. Yeah. If Hannah Ann says she didn't know, then I'm going to believe her. She didn't know. Okay, so you just got to give it to her. Two things I did have an issue with. One, three.

Kelsey is right. Hannah Ann never apologized to her. And so I am big on that. If you see that you upset someone, don't continue to make excuses for your behavior. Just say, I'm sorry you, you know, that was your take of it. I'm so sorry. I didn't do it. Like that she could have just said that. And I think that a lot of people thought that Hannah Ann was condescending. I don't think that she was. I probably would have handled it the same way that she did. I like. tell what she said she didn't get upset she didn't match her tone she didn't curse at her she just she was very matter of fact and i think that to some people that rub them the wrong way i didn't have a problem with that i did have a problem that she at least didn't apologize i also had a problem that she used the word bully there are terms and phrases that continue to circulate in this bachelor franchise and one new one is you feel like home to me okay that's like a new thing that everyone is considered. First time I heard it was during, you said it, Becca. And that was the first time I heard it. Now everybody is saying it. You feel like home to me. I didn't, no, that's the

first time I heard it. You feel like home to me. That's a new one. Bullying is now the new word people are using. And it really bothers me because I do understand Kelsey getting upset at that. Because that is such a word that has such a trigger. It's, it's a trigger word. And it does. get embedded in someone's mind and if Peter has no idea what's going on and someone says she's bullying, well, he's going to think that it's an extreme thing. Yes. Because, and I'm going to read this definition to all the people out there who want to continue to drop this word and truly don't understand the definition of it.

A bully is a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable. What Kelsey did was an overreaction. She was upset. She cursed her out and she was mad at one situation. That was it. If you want to say she was angry and she overreacted, fine. But to label her as a bully and then to, it's one thing if you think that and then to take that information and tell it to Peter and say you were crying all night because of it, that is manipulative.

That is calculated. Now, I will say that. You know exactly what you're doing and what the repercussions are going to do when you say something like that to a lead. And I don't think it's like you said, it is a trigger work. it's overused it's like you said it's not something that was habitual it didn't reoccur it was in the situation one night one and done i don't think and i hope it stops here because i don't want people to keep using that word i don't want people to be like i cried myself to sleep i was bullied that's not the case in any situation if you're ever mad at someone and and call them names or

whatever like let it be but but helsey didn't continue to do that she didn't continue to call all Hannah, a bitch or a princess. It was in that situation. And I will say, too, going back to the whole, was Hannah Ann condescending, I want everyone to take a second to realize, like, there are cameras on everyone, and there are people around listening to every word and conversation. And so it's hard at times, especially when you're put on the spot in a confrontational setting, to say the right thing and to react right away in a certain way. And so I think what Hannah Ann's words were to Kelsey were true, I think people were maybe taken aback of how like she just,

I think in that moment, like she was probably just felt awkward and strange. Like, oh my God, everyone's watching this fight go down. What do I say? What do I do? It's just a really weird scenario in this TV world. She handled it well. But she did, yes. And you know why she handled it well?

because her friend was on the season before her. I am telling you when Hannah G, they're friends. And I'm telling you when your friend was on the season before you, we all know. We'd be idiots not to think that

that friend doesn't give you a roadmap of how you need to be in the house. They always do well. Raven and Tia. They always do well. When your friend comes the next season, they know exactly what to do. They literally Literally, would you not, if your best friend was coming on the show,

would you not be like, okay, girl, let me tell you exactly what you need to do. I would get all of the details. I would take their entire wardrobe. I would want to know everything. So I think the moral of the story here is have a friend on the season before you so you know how to work it. Yeah, they always go far. Okay.

Another thing that happened that we saw in this episode was the Revolve fashion show. Mm-hmm. What were your thoughts when you saw that the ladies were going to do a fashion show? So, well, my first initial thought was, these girls get to go shopping and get these clothes. But then I had to take a step back and realize that on my first... That you did that? Well, on my first day with Ari, I met Rachel Zoe and got all these amazing dresses. So I can't be jealous.

If I was told I had to walk in a fashion show, though, I probably would have, like, pretended that I had diarrhea or something inside in the bathroom. Because I would not have wanted to walk on the stage and try to. to, like, strut my stuff because I'd never know what to do with my body and my hands. I would have felt so awkward. But that would have been part of your charm. Like, it at least would have shown your person. You would have been, like, cute and quirky with it. I don't know.

I think you would have, you would have shined because your personality would have stood out. I would have loved this date. Rachel, you probably would have won. Let's be honest. You would have. Well, no, I probably wouldn't have one if I was going against Hannah Ann, who's a model. Well, she's a pro. Talk about it. Talk about an unfair advantage. That's literally like me being on a date where there's a debate competition. This is slight work. I'm going to verbally murder every single one of you. Like that was, of course Hannah Ann was going to win this competition. I'm sure the girls were already feeling salty from the beginning, knowing that they were going on a model. We were going to have to model. Against a model. Right. And she killed it. She rightfully won. But this is also her profession, you know.

But I thought it was cool. I thought the girl, their reaction to revolve cracked me up. When they were like, this is what every girl wants. And it's like, no, I guarantee you. And I want it to be like, calm down, ladies. As soon as you're off the show, you'll probably go on a Revolve trip. And there's so much fun. You'll get the clothes.

Have no fear. So for those of you who didn't win women, you will be set. Don't worry. Yeah, you're already winning. Exactly. So one takeaway from this fashion show was, obviously, we saw Victoria. F. get in her head. She had a moment where, I mean, I honestly didn't think she was going to go up on stage. I thought she was going to just go hide in the bathroom because she was freaking out so much beforehand.

She did come across as very insecure. But then we see her put on the trench coat with the lingerie underneath and strut her stuff and basically get runner up here. And so in my mind, I'm watching this all play out. And I'm like, there's no way, like, she keeps claiming that she's insecure and she doesn't have that confidence. I'm like, there's no way you don't have that confidence. Like, you are in your laundry. She was fine. I think Victoria F to me comes across as someone who was used to always being the it girl. And she's, of course, beautiful.

And so I think she just felt out of her element in this regard because she's against a handful of, of other gorgeous women who are all beautiful, who all have to start their stuff and fight for the guy. It's, it was interesting to watch. Yeah, I was shocked and she came out in the lingerie, seeing how she was crying and stuff before. But what I will say, and this is the only nice thing I'm going to say about Victoria Fuller, because some things about her have been brought to my attention. And I'm going to preface this by saying I'm biased. I'm not going to talk too much about her. But I will say that when you, I do understand the insecurity thing. You can be the most confident person.

But still, it is so hard. I was talking to Brian about this. We were watching just the first night. It is hard to walk in a room, and everybody is stunning and gorgeous and has these outgoing personalities, and you can be the most confident person, and it'll get the best of you. So I did understand her insecurities, and I thought that they were warranted. That's all I'm going to say about her. Yeah.

It's, I thought, we saw a clip where Victoria was in her head, but she was talking about. talking to one of the producers and the producer said it perfectly. They're like, this is just you being you. This is you showcasing who you are to him. Like you only get 30 seconds on the stage, just be you. And that's, you know, it's easy like you said to get in your head and to be like, oh my gosh, how am I going to stand out around 30 beautiful women? It's like you just have to make the most of it. And we've all seen the show and we've realized like you can't get in your head and you just have to go with it because that's when you will have the most fun as a contestant and that's when Peter will also have more fun because he's not worrying about having to appease you and if you're not confident like just you just have to know that if you're going to be on The Bachelor you have to go with the flow and put up with some very uncomfortable situations um absolutely who do you think has the strongest connection with peter so far oh man um i i think i have a couple i'm going to say though mattie or madison the girl who got the very first one-on-one date because we saw in the episode. I mean, obviously they

had the first one-on-one date. She's met his family. They had a great time. But you see they have a moment together in the episode where he's like, I really like you. And in that moment, I'm like, okay, he's hooked on her. Like, there's something. And what I liked about her on their initial date in week one is that they're having a conversation at dinner and she says like of course I want it to be me at the end of this works out but all I want is for you to find your

person and for you to be happy and that reminded me exactly of how Garrett was on my season he's like you know you could break my heart at the end of this I could be crushed but as long as you're happy that's all that matters and I think that takes a very big person to admit and say and so I think those two Peter and Maddie

or Madison what does she go by anyone? I call her Madison Okay, Madison. Him and Madison have something. What about you? No, definitely think Madison, hands down, light years ahead of everyone, just the way he talks to her, the way he looks at her. But really because there is such an ease between the two of them. And I saw it when she had, when she went to go see the family.

And she was so comfortable. And to me, it came through the screen. It was very natural. And it was like, I think there's a preview. for later episodes where she says I feel like I've known you

my whole life that was evident from their first date so Madison hands down plus she met the family I mean it's hands down

Madison that's that's what I'm going with so far okay so we have to cut this a little short I think we hit everything though

all the key important parts of the episode because we have to get to our guests now gotta get to her she's itching

she's itching Wiggling, waiting to get on the podcast. So we have one of my favorite people in the studio. I recently called her Bachelor's biggest diva at this point because she was rocking this beautiful pink fur coat all around. But of course she's nonstop entertaining and we can just not get enough of her. So she is here to chat all of the juicy details of her upcoming cameo on Peter's season next week. Everyone, drum roll please. We have Demi in the house.

Oh, hello ladies. Thank you for having me. I love hanging out. Well, thank you for being here. Demi has been listening to us chat for the past 40 minutes. It's been entertaining, though. Y'all have been cracking me up. I'm surprised you've just been chilling so quiet back there.

It took everything in me not to let out a cackle. We've given it away, Demi. I know, right? I couldn't ruin it. So, Demi, you have been watching now two episodes. you might know more than we know at this point, but so far, what are your thoughts on the season? I'm liking the season a lot.

I think the women are really funny, the catiness of it all is great. I love the drama. I'm really impressed with Peter, like you guys were saying. He is a very good listener, and I feel like he's really good at making the girls feel really comfortable. I know I, like, didn't always feel very comfortable in my season,

and I think he's doing a good job of, like, making everyone feel really special. So I'm excited for you. for him. It's really nice to watch. And so you guys are friends, correct? Yeah, I mean, we're friends. We don't like talk every day or anything. But yeah, whenever they did the men tell all, he wasn't there, but he lives around here. So I invited over all the guys after that, and I had a little party, and it was really fun. It was nice to get to know him, and he was so sweet. So my invite must have gotten lost in the mail. Oh, that's really awkward. I'm so sorry about

So, so far, we have met a handful of lovely women. What are your impressions on them? And can anyone fill Demi's shoes? Oh, gosh, probably not, but they will try. Didn't you ask that question on social media? You're like, who's the new Demi or something like that? I, like, posted in Instagram, and I said, cheers to whoever takes my throne or something like that. Okay.

Has it? Has someone taken it? No, not yet, but I'm sure someone will. But, you know, my first impression is that these women are insanely beautiful. Whenever I first saw them, they were all stunning. It did feel, like, kind of weird, though. I know with my group of girls, we were so, like, everyone was so nice and so chill, and I feel like we bonded really well.

Everyone was, like, cuddling on the couches and stuff. And whenever I saw of them, it was kind of this awkward, cold energy and, like, tension. So watching season, oh, my gosh, I cannot attack. So watching Peter's season, I looked at Garrett the other day. I'm like, I don't think I could have lived with this group of girls. I couldn't. It just seems so different.

And maybe it's because when I was on Ari season, I mean, he was a little bit older. The girls on the season seemed to be a little bit older with me. I don't think, I mean, I think I would have probably been sent home night one. But, you know, you went through Colton's season with a handful of girls. Could you hang with these ones? I mean, I probably could. I'm pretty friendly, so I could probably get along with them. But I wouldn't want to necessarily. I mean, I think that every year, of course, pretty much everyone is going on to, yes, open to finding love, but definitely should be on a TV show.

And this group of women, I feel like, is the most obvious that every single person there is there to be on TV. It's a different level from, I think, what we've seen in the past. That's so interesting. You say that, Demi, a friend who shall remain nameless. I was just having this conversation with, and we were talking about that. about how comfortable and how ready as a whole these group of girls seem to be for the television screen. We haven't really seen anyone, at least that I can recall at this point, that has been really uncomfortable behind the camera. I know. That is so interesting. They're all getting ready for their influencer careers. They're going to be pros when they get out of the show. Some of them already have that.

I know. I saw some of them have so many followers already. Look, you've got to work for those. With each season, it's just going to grow and grow. And by Bachelor 20, 21, everyone will have like 3 million followers. I know. I'm not ready for that. My relevancy is fading so fast. No, stop.

It happens. You got like a six-month span to really build what you want to and then grow from there. Got to have a scandal. And then we'll be replaced. If you're listening, six months, six months. Go hard. Good luck, ladies. So, okay, so Peter, you and Peter have connected outside of the show.

You've been friends. So why did he ask you to plan a date? Very curious about this. I think it's just because I'm so fun and he knows that it would be a really fun date. And I would, like, challenge the women to, like, get out of their comfort zones. And maybe intimidate them a little bit, you know, see how they handle all that. So, Demi, next week, obviously, we see you. You helped him plan this date.

What went into this and why did you pick this specific date? well you know there is so much tension always in the mansion and i know that you know there's a lot of aggression especially if you're having an issue with one of the other ladies and what better way to let out all of this aggression than a pillow fight you know it's harmless fun um hopefully hopefully harmless fun right hopefully and um you know it's just a good way to get out some of that aggression and have fun with it and show peter like how much you want to fight for him so did you have to pillow fight with Peter to get the ball rolling on this? Absolutely

not. Set the stage. Let's be honest I would never win any kind of fighting. We saw that on my season. I got my ass kicked in Vietnam, so yeah, I'm not a fighter, but I will gladly host a fight. Demi, I would be the same as you. I'd be like, I don't want to hurt anyone, and it's just with feathers, so I get it.

Is there anyone? That's not me. No, Rachel would have won that one too. I've been like, please don't hit me. I'm just going to stand in the corner and drink water. Let me just talk shit. That's all can do. So is there anyone that you would have liked to pillow fight with on your season? I mean, no, because

I would have lost, but I mean, I think it would be fun to pillify my friends. Like, me and Hannah Brown would have had a blast with that. Well, maybe one day we'll see what happened. Yeah, pillow fights are fun. Yeah, like, they can be a lot of fun. Even though Katie did beat me up in Vietnam, we would have fun doing a pillow fight now. Yeah.

So, would you like to plan another group date on the bachelor? Did you have a really fun time doing that? Oh my gosh. It was so much fun. Even though it was so early, like, I had the day doing that. It was so fun to not have all that pressure of like, oh my gosh, am I going to stay? Like, is he going to keep me? You know, like, am I going to go home today? So, yeah, it was fun to be on the opposite end of things. Yeah, you got like the best of all worlds on that one. Yeah. And I would definitely like to do another date sometime. I want to take people to a

drag show. Well, I have to ask you, since you got a chance to plan a date, you got to meet some of the ladies. Do you have any personal favorites? I love Tammy. Yes, I like her too. I love Tammy. I would say Tammy is probably the most Demi-esque at this point. Yes, I really respect her. You know, the whole wrestling thing. That was really cool that she bought her way into the boys' wrestling team in high school. I respect her for that.

I was like, okay, Tammy, let's go. Well, she also just, she's like you, she speaks her mind. She's funny. I think also, too, she's not afraid to speak up in the house with the girls, but she doesn't ever do it as far as we've seen in a malicious way. Yeah, I haven't seen her. be malicious. I've just seen her be honest. Yeah. Okay. So now that you know some of the girls, you saw Peter on the date with half of them, what do you think his biggest challenge in this whole

process is going to be? I think it's going to be hard for him. Like the challenge will be to see who's actually going to be a good partner for him outside of this. And who's not just kind of like, you know, saying whatever they need to say and charming their way to the end with him. Because he really, really deserves to find like true love. I know he wants it. He's a lover. So I think that's going to be the biggest challenge. It's just making sure that the girl has the purest intentions. I thought you were going to say his biggest challenge is Hannah, brow. That's what I thought you were going to say.

I bet that's in the back of his mind too, you know. But I was going to say, you know, you talk about the girls and their intentions. Do you get that because you've now met them and planned the state with them? Or is this just something that you feel from watching them on this season so far? Maybe a little bit of both. Also, going through their, like, social media, you can see how curated the feeds already are, you know, and all of that stuff. And I remember before, like, our season, none of our feeds were like that. And the social media is just getting so big.

And I don't know, I don't trust anyone. Wasn't Hannah cheese like that? My feed's not good either. Were you on Hannah cheese season? Wasn't hers like that? Yes. And I was, whenever she told, I remember whenever Hannah told me, she had, like, 50,000 followers. We were, like, in Singapore or something.

and I was like, what? How? I was like, I've got like 3,000 and I felt cool. Okay, Demi, I had, when I started out, I had 438. And look at you now, girl. But it's just my dog and Garrett. Like, you know. Yeah. One thing I want to ask, so when I was The Bachelet, Rachel hosted one of my very first group dates.

And when she was the Bachelet, she had Milakunis and Ashton Coocher host one of her dates. and Rachel, did they not say that they didn't think your husband was in that group when you were the bachelor's right? Okay. Yes. And he wasn't. And then Rachel on my group date that she hosted also said, I don't think your husband is in this group, and he wasn't. Garrett was not on that date. I mean, he's not my husband yet, but we know how that is. So I'm going to ask you, do you think in the group date that you hosted was Peter's wife in that group? Probably not Okay

I think everyone was like insecure and jealous And everyone was like really aggressive And you know with the pillow fighting and stuff But I didn't really get any Any vibe from anyone that they were like I've got this I've got this connection with Peter You saw the fighters not the lovers

Yes Okay Wait who was insecure I mean I don't want to say insecure Because I don't know But I mean everyone was just very tense And ready to take down the other girl whatever the cost was.

I just wanted to know in this pillow fight, was there any blood? No, no. And no injuries? Just hurt feelings. Maybe there was some injuries. Dang it, I wanted like a bloody nose or something. I'm surprised there wasn't because they were really, really going at it.

There was times where people dropped the pillows and they were just attacking each other. For real? Yeah, I was really uncomfortable. Dang, well, I cannot wait to watch this go down. I was really scared of like one in particular. I was like, oh my God, thank God I'm not in the ring. Sydney. She's terrifying.

Why? She was just very aggressive. I mean, I probably would have been too. You know what I mean? I feel like I would have. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I probably would have tried to be too cool and not done it.

You can totally be aggressive with it, but make sure it looks like you're having fun. She had a straight face. Like, she barely said a word to me. I kept trying to talk to her. Like, you know, and she was just eyes on the prize. And the prize was taken down the girl. I mean she probably was fighting for that time you know what I mean that extra time with Peter

that group rose date she's already gotten one but you know I yeah she's I probably wouldn't talk to you either Demi I would have been like okay I wouldn't have I would have probably only talked to you and not see that was like some of the girls they were just like trying to chit chat with me the whole time

but see that goes towards what you're saying about intentions and like Dimmy you know you're one of my favorites but it's like if I'm if this is a competition which it is at the end of the day, then I'm not going to spend my time getting to know other Bachelor nation people. I'm here for Peter.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So I get what you're saying because if people were trying to be too buddy, buddy with me, it's like, no, why are you focused on me right now? You're exactly right. That makes total sense. That is why I feel that way

because, yeah, they were so excited to talk to me and I was over there like, I got to go talk to Peter about you girls right now. I would have asked to not fight and Ben Peter's like Watergirl. I would have started a new role. I should have done that on whenever I had to fight on my season. I should have taken a different role.

Can I just wipe Holden's brow? Is it Peter pillow fight? Yes, he sure did. I would have been fighting with Peter. Oh, yeah, he actually pillow fought with this humongous man in the crowd. It was scary. With Fred Willard, right? Oh, God.

Is that who your pillow fought? No. It was just this very burly man. Just a random from the crowd. I don't know why. You said Fred Willard. and in my mind I heard Fred Flintstone and I have no idea

that's what I saw. Oh my gosh, I can't. I want to ask you a final question because I don't know if we're going to get to talk to you again. I hope we do before the season's over with but one of the things that Becca and I have always talked about is Peter will be a good bachelor because he's such a lover and there's

just no way this isn't going to work for him in the end because I feel like he's going to fall in love with five women because he's just that person. And I'm not saying that in a bad way. I'm saying it as a compliment. And I think when Becca and I've talked about this, we need that. The franchise kind of needs to see a love story happen at the end. No more inanimate objects. You know, I don't want to talk about a fence. I don't want to talk about a windmill.

Ladies, and if anybody's listening, as you're moving through this journey, don't fixate on one thing and let that be the theme for the next person or for your own season. Like, don't please don't talk about fences, windmills, beds. The grass, a treat, just nothing. A champagne bottles for healthy. Yeah, see? Just talk about Peter. But all that to say, do you think that this is going to work for him at the end?

I do. I really think that it will work for him. I hope so. I think he's ready for it. And, I mean, he's got a great cream of the crop group of women here. And, yeah, I think that he'll probably find his wife. Maybe they won't be engaged. Maybe they will be.

But I think he'll definitely find his girl. well let's talk about wife and being a wifey and wifey material so we can't have you here and not play a game with you I love games of course we're going to do a little something something we want you to be honest a little messy a little petty and let's just have fun with this okay okay I love a good game let's go okay so the game is called wife material or not material so we'll give you a name and then you tell us what you think are they wife material or not material Okay, first name up. Kelly. Hmm.

Not material. I mean, she, I don't know. She's not doing it for me. Well, I mean, she was nice, like, whenever I met her, but she wasn't really, like, that friendly to me. I don't know. I kind of felt just, like, standoffish, but then again, maybe it's because she was focused on Peter.

I don't know. They did meet ahead of time. Yes, they did. They had that moment. So. Hmm. I don't know. I got to look out for my.

sister in the law. So fellow attorney, I like her. She's wife material to me. I didn't know she was an attorney. I didn't know that. Well, that's actually kind of maybe brings her up a couple notches. We love a successful woman. All right. Next up, we have Alea. I like Alea. She's very sweet to me, but too nice to me. You know, I need somebody who's going to make fun of me, so not material. Okay, Victoria P. Okay. Did you guys? I see her with the glasses the first episode looking exactly like me I got tagged in like hundreds of stories

everyone's like oh my gosh Demi's back she does not look like she did in that moment she did with the glasses I thought it was me I'm saying she doesn't and this is coming from the girl who when I first saw these headshots I was like oh it looks like this celebrity or she looks like this celebrity so I don't know maybe my eyes

so her pickers off I got to get my eyes pickers off so wife material of course if she resembles me I love myself here for it I like Victoria P. I will say I thought she was going to have a slight Annalise moment when she had the trauma. Oh my gosh. She couldn't spin.

But she redeemed herself. I think she has a really good connection with Peter. So I would definitely say. She did have an Annalise moment. I think she's going to crack. I think something's going to happen with her. I don't know why. Somebody's going to bring out chicken on the bone and she's going to have a breakdown.

Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's it. Maybe that'll be what it is. But there's something about her that I'm like, she's going to have a breakdown. I can see it too. All right. I'm excited to hear what you have to say about this one, Demi,

because I want to know is Tammy wife material or not? Yes, we would marry Tammy yesterday. We love Tammy. She's great. She's so much fun. Her energy is amazing. She's bouncing all over the walls and just doesn't care. She's letting loose.

I love Tammy. So I like Tammy from what I've seen. I've obviously never met her. But I think she just has more life to live. You know, for a little bit before she gets wiped up. Okay, I can agree with that. And she's successful. And she's successful.

I like her. All right. Hannah Ann. Um, you know, she's so cute. Wife, probably a good wife. I mean, she's kind of that person that you would feel really proud to, like, take into a room of people and, like, introduce her. Like, oh, yeah, this, I'm with, this is, this girl, I'm with her. She is stunning.

She can handle herself. She's confident. Wife material. I would say out of everyone, Hannah G's probably like the most groomed for the wife material out of this time. Did you call her Hannity? Yeah, you called the Hanagy. Oh, sorry.

No. Well, Hannah-Chi also. Rightfully so. Rightfully so. I told you we were going through the bios. They're the same person. They're literally the same person. We have too many Hanas.

I know. And you know what's funny? I keep meeting all these fans who like come up to me everywhere. And I swear every single person's name is Hannah. And I always say the same thing. I'm like, oh, I love a Hannah. It's like I think Hannah has replaced the Lauren because on my, well, not on my son. On Ari season, there was four Lauren's, I think.

Oh, my gosh. All the Hannahs are coming out of the woodwork now. All right. Next, we have Lexi. I don't know much about Lexi. Lexi to me, I feel like she's very mysterious. She has like this. She had the car, the first night.

Yeah, she had the Red Corvette. If I get the Corvette, she could be wife material. I like a redhead. Me too. Like, Elise, stunning. Is she? But doesn't Lexi seem very mysterious? And, like, there's this underlying, like, sexiness to her.

Yeah. She's very... And calm. Very calm. But there's just something there. Like, I would like to see more of her because... Who knows? Who knows where could go with Peter?

Definitely curious about her. All right. Madison. 100% wife material. She is the coolest chick ever. Did you meet her? No, but just seeing her on the show. I guess I can't say that since I haven't met her.

But the way that she comes across and... I mean, just like her story, her background. She's so cool. And I'm very jealous of her hair. Yeah, she's stunning. Yeah, I like her. All right. Kelsey, Miss Champagne, girl.

Oh, gosh. No, that was too dramatic for me to handle. Not material for me if you get that mad about champagne. Yeah, got to chill out. Do you imagine the icebergs? Not that deep, honey. Sydney. Oh, gosh, no.

I'm terrified of her. Okay. Not material. Sorry, Sid. Okay. Natasha. I think Natasha's wife material. I like her a lot. I like her too. I think she's mature. I think she's real and I think she's funny and she doesn't take it too seriously. We were talking about, for all the listeners, we were talking about Natasha before we started and I think she is so well spoken and just she speaks her mind. She's very honest and to the point with Peter, but she also still has that fun, like she can chill and hang, but she can chill and hang, but, She can, Rachel, I think, like, out of all of The Bachelor's, Rachel has been probably the most eloquent. Oh, my gosh, yes.

And well-spoken. And Natasha also has that, like, very well-spoken aspect about her as well. Yeah. Cats and rats, honey. This is my favorite line. I love that. Rachel, on the way here, she texted asking if we could get a clip of that. And I was like, that was my favorite part of a night one.

I loved it. Garrett and I replayed it a couple of times. Yeah, I like her. So she's wife material. Okay. Mackenna. No, no, honey. Sorry, you are 22 years old. Got some grown-up. Living to do, too. Yeah, not happening. Not material for me. She's fun, though. Like, from what we've seen, she's fun.

She seems like a fun bubbly girl. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which of these girls that we named were on the date? We had Kelly, Alea, Tammy, Sydney, and that's it. I think. And out of those girls that you named, which ones spent the most time with you? I'm just picking your brain for insight. Well, definitely not Kelly, but she had eyes on the prize, so I can respect that. Sydney did not talk to me at all. Alea was really sweet to me. Tammy was, like, nice to me of it.

Tammy was also, like, doing her own thing. Like, she was, like, getting ready over there, hyping everyone out. Like, it was good. I would like to meet Tammy. She's really fun. I guess probably Alea. Like, I sat down and chatted with her a bit. Okay.

Yeah. All right. Well, Demi, we love having you here. We love your honesty, your funniness, just keeping it real and giving us the inside scoop since we didn't get to plan a date. Maybe in the near future, Becca, they'll have us plan a date. Putting it out there, it should be something about podcasting. We should do something with them on a future date. I am so.

I'm looking at the producers right now. I am down. So about this or some type of debate and it's on the podcast. It has to be so much fun. Listen, let's plant those seeds, Becca. But no, Demi, back to you. Thank you so much for giving us your time, your attention, and just everything. One last question, though, before you go, Demi. So you obviously did Paradise. Do you think there are any strong contenders for next Paradise? I mean, I'm sure they would all love to go. Tammy, I think, would be really fun to see in Paradise. She's got that fun energy. I'm just, I love Tammy. Okay, Tammy's Stan. Wait, would you ever go back? No. Never?

Oh. One and done? Maybe they could let me be the bartender. That'd be fun. I'd like to see you behind the bar. I won't take, I won't take Wells' position. No, he needs a backup. He really does.

He was getting there half the time. They've done it before. My vote is for Kelsey and her champagne bottle. Oh, yeah, she'll be there. You know, you know she'll be there. You know in the intro. The intro, it's going to be her sipping champagne on the beach or, like, chucking it. Or, like, grabbing it from someone.

Or, like, having a champagne, like, message in a bottle, wash up on shore. You guys, we could be great directors here. Wait. Are you all hiring? I'm for hire. Actually, no, I'm not. I lied. Just kidding.

Okay. But, Demi, before we let you go, we have to congratulate you on your Glad Award nomination that you just received the, I think you just received. This morning. The information that you, yeah, yeah. That's huge to get that nomination. So I know we talked about Paradise and you returning, but if you don't, you definitely made a huge impact just because of your willingness to share your journey. and all that it, I'm sure it helped so, so many people. I know it might not have ended the way that you wanted to,

but your story and your honesty and your vulnerability just, it was impactful and it was a first. And so I know we both thank you for that. Oh my gosh, thank you guys. It's so, like, surreal to me, you know, because, like, I didn't expect any of this to, like, happen. And it's so overwhelming, so many people coming up to me, like, in borderline tears and just being like,

thank you so much and makes me emotional every time. I'm just, I'm really honored to be the person that, you know, helped this happen and just followed my heart and led an example that you can just be whoever you are. Amen. Very well deserve. I love it. Well, Demi, thank you so much for coming on. Ambassador Nation, thank you for listening.

Never, ever a dull moment when we have Demi in the studio. And we're so excited to watch you on next week's episode. I'll be texting you throughout. I know Becca will be too. I'm inviting myself over to Demi's to watch it right now. Yes, please. Okay, well, if I'm in town, I'm crashing too, and everybody, make sure you tune in because, as you can see, this season is not going to disappoint. And thank you to all of our Bachelor happy hour listeners.

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