Bachelor Happy Hour - Devin Discusses the Main Thing

Episode Date: August 8, 2024

Today on “Happy Hour,” Devin joins us! He’s spilling all the tea on all the drama, his sparks with Jenn, and more!  We get into Ice Cream Gate, his drama with the guys, and what’s really been going down in the house. We also discuss Devin’s moments with Jenn, including the one-on-one that changed everything. Plus, we get the truth on where the guys in the house stand on all the drama! Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I am Joe. And I am Serena. And today we are here with Devin. In my opinion, right now, as I'm watching one of Jen's frontrunners, Devin, welcome to Happy Hour.

How are you? I'm doing fantastic. Thank you guys for having me, honestly. It feels great to be here. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, no worries. running you for a minute because you've been, as we have been saying, a controversial character this season, you've had some, you've had a wide variety of moments. Let's put it that way. So I feel like this is a great time to talk to you to kind of just get into everything that we've seen.

And maybe some of the stuff that you didn't see while you were filming, but you've now watched back in your opinion on all of that as well. Because there's been a lot said in interviews too. Well, we're going to get into everything. We're going to get into Sam M, the ice cream, your connection. Actually, with Jen, we'll get into all of that before we do, how did you get on The Bachelorette? So, funny story, my best friend's wife, Alexis, she actually works for me. I hired her little over a year ago, and she said that her first order of business, since I was a newly single man looking for love, was to give me on her favorite TV show of all time that she's been watching since she was a kid, and that was The Bachelorette. So I actually got a call, thought it was spam, got a couple more, didn't answer it.

They ended up calling and reaching out to Alexis. She reached out to me and said, hey, you should probably call these guys back. They seem like they're actually real people. And I get a lot of spam calls with my company. This happened to me too. Yeah. So I had no idea. I did the same thing.

I had three missed calls. I was like, these freaking telemarketers just won't leave me alone. Yeah. Yeah. And I think when I look back on it, I had like a misdemeanor. just voicemail, like, from someone saying, hey, I promise, like, I'm a real person. This is legit.

Like, give me a call back if you're interested. And I did. And sure enough, I wound up on one of the favorite, my favorite shows of all time now. New, new found. Your new favorite show. I answer, I see the California number coming right away. I'm like, about time, Hollywood's calling me.

I answer immediately. That's crazy. I answered on the first ring. Talk to me. I just was like, I don't know anyone in LA. like who would be calling me from California. Yeah, exactly. And like I said, I get a lot of spam calls to my cell phone from work.

So I had just figured it was a telemarketer's insurance trying to sell me something with commercial insurance or whatever. So I had no, paid no mind to it. What do you, uh, you said you have your own business? What do you do? Yeah. So I, I call it a consultant firm. It's a transportation brokerage.

Basically, we're the middlemen between corporate America shippers and industrial manufacturers. I have a lot of friends that do that. that. Yeah, yeah. Nice. Good for you. It's hectic. I learned to talk a lot in this industry. I'll tell you what. Yeah. Yeah. You got to sell people over the phone, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you, you know, night one, you step out of the limo, your first conversation with Jen. How are you feeling? Are there sparks there? Do you feel a connection? You know, I'll preface it like this. I had never seen the show before. So I had relatively little knowledge of what I was even supposed to be doing there. Obviously, other than getting to know this person, I'm seeing Jen for the first time. I think she looks stunning. I mean, she looks magnificent.

Did you know, did you know she was going to be the bachelor at before you went on? No, I didn't even know any of the contestants. I saw her premiere when they announced it, and that was the first time that I had ever seen Jen, ever, ever heard her speak, ever say a word. And so for me, it wasn't like, I feel like for me it wasn't about making a shopping cart list of who I could think it could be and then going and treating the situation like it was. I just wanted to go and meet a genuine person that could possibly like me for who I am. And that was all that had crossed my mind at that point. It was nice.

It was nice to kind of go in blind. I didn't think there was a connection right away with Jen, especially since I started talking about feet right away. thankfully she's a very good sport and kind of rolled with the bunch of us a little bit but yeah I was nervous I mean there's cameras everywhere just all these guys so when did you

feel the connection I think I think that when I took her for ice cream and how Willie she was to have a conversation with me away from the group right then and there and because of how my personality is it kind of was telling about who I was and the fact that she enjoyed that moment with me told me that she enjoyed how I am and who I am and a little bit of that.

So that was like my first like, okay, this girl's kind of cool. Like she's down to skip class and go get ice cream with me. Like that's an amazing feeling. So it started there and it just, you know, obviously only grew over time. But I didn't know right away if she was into me. I didn't know night one if I was going to be there, you know, coming the next week. But, you know, again, for me, it was all about. the experience so she um she compared you to pete davidson in episode one i think we've seen people

online saying it too is that a comparison you've gotten before um so yes i actually get that way more than i'm proud of i think um there's worse people to be compared to i know i know but for me like i always had this idea of pete davidson like in my mind that he was just this person that they're not ugly but just you know he's not on the better looking side of people the world and so um but he dates like the hottest i know and and so for me like when people would tell me that and it's happened a lot more i think in the last like three years um i get it quite frequently but for me it's it i'm like as long as i don't look like him that's great as long as i remind you of p davison that's fantastic i do a lot of the same you know i'm very vocal i guess

i move my head a lot when i talk or whatever but um reminding him as much better than looking like him in my mind. I actually don't really think you look like him. Thank you. No, I think it's like the energy and the mannerisms and kind of the way you talk more so than the love. I appreciate that, Serena. That means a lot. He can never grow a mustache like this. Never. Never. So you, so you connect over ice cream, but then when you did pull her for ice cream, that was kind of, I think that was the start of like the Devon arc of the guys hate me essentially. or are upset with me. Did you realize that was going to rub all the guys the wrong way

when you did make that move? No, again, because I haven't seen the show and I don't know how any of this stuff works, my mindset was like, okay, we have how long to talk to this girl and be with this person. We're in like a rug store looking at rugs. Everybody's doing their own thing at that point. Jen's kind of looking around like a shopper.

She's trying to buy something for her house. So for me, in my mind, I was like, this is a great opportunity for me to kind of just get to know this person a little bit more, one-on-one time. And so I didn't know that it was going to affect a certain select group of people. And for the most part, not everybody was upset in my mind. I think it was a playful gesture, taken a little bit out of context for what it actually was. And that rubbed a couple people the wrong way.

And it was- Go ahead. No, no, no, I was just going to say, like, I didn't. I didn't expect the implications of this to be what it was, especially when you look back on it from that original moment. Like, you know, it's just ice cream. You know, I may have talked to her for a few minutes, and then it was back to business. Everybody was, you know, they didn't let me enjoy the moment.

That's for sure, you know what I mean? So I didn't know it was going to be like that. Would you go back and do it again? 100%. I mean, yeah, I think that was the right move. Especially if she's walking around looking for rugs and no one's even like really talking to her. And then it's like, yeah, it's almost a genius move.

Exactly. And for me, it was like, you know, and again, it's gelato. I was corrected on this a lot. It's gelato, not ice cream. But with the gelato thing, it was just an opportunity for me to get some side conversation in, a little bit of stuff that, you know, just, hey, look, I'm here. I'm available. I'm a good guy.

Let's have some fun with it. I'm not really going to be concerned with the opinions of many, as long as I have the validation of your opinion that's all I hear about you know so that's that's kind of my thought process through that whole thing yeah and I mean look it was a balzy move for sure one that paid off um but we see that a lot of the time the female leads on these group dates feel like they get lost it happens at least like once or twice a season where there's like yeah all these guys are like growing out and I'm just here by myself oh yeah I've actually forgot that happened yeah so I think it was a good move

in the sense if she's standing by herself she would much rather be pulled aside and made to feel wanted by someone because she's there to find love but we do see the guys start ripping into on the second half of that date because you have the roasts were you surprised that it was kind of like the roast

of Devin or were you expecting that? I'll put it like this it's not that I didn't see it coming I'm like I'm a person that doesn't take themselves too seriously I say this all the time like I told this to the guys in the house like my friends and i are way meaner to each other than than you guys have ever been to me so like this doesn't bother me i think it's it was the fact of the matter that it did

put such a sustainable thought in their mind like devon is a problem devon is a thing but in my mind i'm thinking okay they're just talking about me jens just hearing my name over and over and over again like there's got to be something at least to talk about here so um was it funny i laughed you know i i didn't take offense to it i didn't take any part in like like being upset about the jokes. Yeah, did I think I had it coming probably. But, you know, again, if you're going to dish it, take it. And I think that's what I did in that moment.

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Self growth. Yeah. Yeah. Self growth. Whatever. Yeah. Let's talk about that. Yeah.

Walk us through the Aaron thing. We see you guys have the ice cream standoff and then we see him giving the book. The ironic thing is I'm curious that they would agree with this. I think Noah is more similar to Devin than he is to Aaron personality wise. Yeah, I do too. Yeah. See, I don't. See, I don't know.

I've only heard about this from like after the fact because I didn't know. I heard that he had a brother on the show like when we were there. And so I didn't think anything of it. But I didn't know it went like the rabbit hole went as deep as it did. Yeah, for me, I think with the whole situation with Aaron was I knew that he was the vocal one about being upset about the ice cream situation. And I could have saw myself empathizing with him maybe a little bit. For me, I don't see the big deal. I'm like, what is the big deal here?

you know, that we're making this commotion about. But when he pulled me aside to talk to me at the bar, if you remember at the cocktail party, he doesn't like make it a situation that talks about him saying, hey, I was uncomfortable about this situation because of this. He immediately leads into, hey, you're not a man. You're not grown enough to be with a woman. I'm judging your character.

I'm judging your depth. I don't think she wants to be with a boy. And I'm like, we don't even know each other. Like, we don't even know each other yet. So I think that, you know, any inclination that I had to hear him out in that moment kind of went out the window. You know, I'm like, okay, if we're going to just make bold assumptions like that, then I can't help you here, buddy, you know, I'm not the guy that you're going to rile up, that's for sure. Do I think I was a little petty with him with the ice cream afterwards? Yes, of course.

But that's who I am a little bit, you know. I'm going to get under your skin and I'm going to see how people act when they're under pressure because I think that shows a lot of who you are, isn't, you know. not ideal environments, how are you going to operate? Tell us about the book situation. I mean, it's the same. It was the same. Had I known it was like something that had happened in his lineage before, I would have made probably a little bit more of a joke out of it.

For me, I just thought it was very condescending. Again, as much fun as I'll poke at you, I'll never like make assumptions about who you are or what your values are and what you believe in and the things that you deserve in life and things that you don't deserve in life. So for me, what the biggest thing was, was he was trying to like son me in that moment and try to bestow this wisdom on me that he clearly didn't have himself about maturity in the stage where if it's, if it's bothering you so much, let's have a real conversation. Let's talk about it. Let's get over it. he wanted to like get back at me in that in that setting and i'm sitting there like okay we're we're having this discussion again about depth we're having this discussion again about character and then you just follow up and you call me dillon which could have been a joke on

his part but even in the moment like if it's a joke then you must realize how silly you're sounding right now for making this an argument if it's going to be you know something you make fun of my name for so i don't know man it was do you think you guys do you guys if you ran into him um not do you think you guys could hash it out would be fine i think i think i think erin i think erin's probably more of a salvageable case than sam okay for sure just because like uh erin just didn't seem like i don't know he just didn't seem like he had too big of an issue it's like the collective group that he associated with once he told them about it made such a big to do. I think that he kind of felt the need

to like be that voice of reason. All right. So who is who is this collective group? So at that time it's like, what, it's Sam M. Thomas N. Thomas. I guess you can say Spencer maybe a little bit at that time.

And then obviously Aaron. And then you got like Thomas A who's there. But that group right there. But it was really mainly just those three. Thomas, Sam, and Aaron, who it was like every time I breathed, there was a reason to call up arms. You know, every time I moved or looked the wrong way, you know, there was an issue in place.

Yeah. Well, let's get into Thomas N then because Aaron leaves. Actually, wait, before we jump off of Aaron, how did it feel watching it back, seeing kind of the hint he gives Jen about people might not be here for the right reasons? and do you feel like that was about you solely? He told me that. He told me I wasn't here for the right reasons on the conversation at the bar. You heard he says it. Like he's like, I don't think that you're here for the right reason.

So in my mind, I'm like, okay, I know he's talking about me. Like at least have the decency to say my name or something like that. Yeah, do you think he should have just said it to Jen? Like, hey, I don't think Devin is here for the right reasons. And at that point in time, who is everyone arguing with? You know, I don't think it's very like hard to miss, you know, the direct focus of where that message could have been, you know, pushed. But I think it was me.

And I, and when she came in and said that, I immediately thought it was me that she was talking, she was talking about, you know? So, um, it didn't you. Did you guys have that kind? Did you and Jen then have that conversation of like, hey, Jen, I think Aaron was talking about me? Um, I, I did not have that conversation explicitly where I said is Aaron, was Aaron talking about me. Um, I just made it.

more of a reassuring moment for her that I was there for the right reason I kind of just played it like I'm not even gonna pay mine to this whatever is going on externally from this guy who we can't even talk to anymore because he didn't

he didn't have the decency to say it to me he did but he did it kind of backhandedly and then he does it to this poor girl who is on her journey Jen is trying to do her thing and she just he throws a wrench in it without any implications or any care about it so it was it was a frustrating experience

she again I didn't say like oh is Aaron talking about me but did I feel that way yes did I bring it up to her in that way no but I made it so that she was reassured that I was there for how did it feel hearing him say and what would be your response to it I guess he talks a lot about how he feels like you're more of a boy than a man and like you are not ready for a serious commitment or to settle down um I mean, I can be candid about it. Like, it, it kind of pisses me off. You know, it's, again, we don't know each other that well.

That's something that I wouldn't even say to, you know, some friends that I have been knowing for years. I think the biggest thing for me was, who are you to assume you are so much better than me when we don't know each other? And for you to kind of put yourself in my shoes when you don't know anything about me, again I any did you ever get an answer to that question about what what you basically what

you just said of like you putting it back on them like who are like you don't know who I am like did you ever get a response no they would say that I mean the biggest thing was like that I was two-faced that I was that I was like acting a different way than I was around everyone else and that never changed I mean I made the same ass of myself in front of Jen a bunch of times that I did in front of the guys you know it's just Just for me, I knew when you know yourself so well, and I'm not going to say I know myself perfectly, but I think with my life experiences and things that I've gone through,

I know myself very, very well. You know, I know my flaws. I know my, my, I think that translates to watching the show. Yes, thank you. And I appreciate that, guys. I think that for me, when I know myself to that extent, none of these little words are going to trigger me. And I think that was what frustrated everyone so much about me

was that they were trying to assume, and placed this judgment and put this like mask on me that wasn't there and I it wasn't going to bother me you know I was there for Jen I had no idea about the show I don't care about the antics or the the unwritten rules or the group collective thinking that I think was going on at that time I was just focused on her and I think that's what rubbed a lot of the guys from away so were there any guys that you were I mean obviously there were I shouldn't phrase it like that but who who were you friends with like who was team Devin team devon I I think it's bigger than you might have may expect um you know i jonathan was really close to me uh grant

sam n um love sam n brian you know those guy marcus was fantastic to me uh even awesome you know a lot of the guys were very good talking points for me because again with with so much commotion and chaos you know i i'd like to say i'm so high and mighty i don't need to like talk about it but you know i'd like to get some solace and some comfort from the guys in the house and every now and then and and that I think was the big defining moment was a lot of the guys like John and then they didn't have a problem with how I operated it was just the small numbers that were making such a loud noise it kind of felt like everyone was against me when it wasn't that way yeah and I feel like it was really this Aaron versus Devon situation with a little bit of

noise from a few other people and then once Aaron left Thomas N and Sam well I wouldn't even say Thomas, I mean, Thomas N kind of just seemed incredibly if I'm wrong. Almost like he was mimicking just whatever Sam was saying. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. But I mean, we did see that

big moment. Oh yeah, you're right. Thomas Ed pulling you from Jen. I feel like that was the next kind of one V1 conflict that you had. What was that moment like? Walk us through that. Actually, take us back to the conversation. Did you agree to let

these eight guys who didn't get time with Jen on the group date all line up and go first and talk to Jen. Absolutely not. I don't know where that came from. For me, I remember everybody coming back from the safari date. They were very frustrated. I got that. You know, and I'm talking to them and I'm consoling them about how to feel and whatnot. But, you know, for them to assume that I said I wouldn't go first, it's completely assinine. first of all and second of all in my mind i'm like you guys have said it like i i'm dealing with a lot right now you know from all different sides and all different angles so as twisted and people will say that i'm this is not true but in my mind what i thought was the valiant effort was

to go first so that i wasn't going to bother anybody because anything that i did at that point was going to be perceived as wrong or i was doing something against the grain of what the other guys were thinking. I think that was that group collective thought. And Brian even said it, you know, when I was having that conversation with Jen, that maybe I was just doing that so I didn't interrupt anybody, you know, and that's how I felt in that moment was like, hey, I'm going to be the bad guy no matter what. This is like the path of least resistance for me. Let's just get it over with. And again, had Thomas had come and said, hey, buddy, your time is up. You know, I was ready to throw in the white flag. You know, I was, I would have gotten up no problems, you know.

then obviously that didn't happen so yeah was there a part of you that was like if i don't go first i'm going to have to interrupt her with one of these guys and i would much rather just pull her than have to have this conflict like i did with erin where i'm like interrupting her time absolutely absolutely and that was that was my uh battle in my head was like okay do i do i look like i'm taking initiative and kind of being like devon again doing a devon mom moment by going first or am I being, you know, a quote unquote bully by interrupting somebody during their time? And I don't know who it could have been. I don't want to find out, you know, that avenue because, again, it was, I saw how that happened with Aaron already. I already

felt that like shame when I was talking with Jen after the fact, too, that I even had to do that. So I wasn't going to do that again. So that was my good guy moment, I guess. And it clearly didn't back. What did you think of Thomas N pulling your? went to the hallway and you guys kind of going at it. Absolutely ridiculous. That was pretty ridiculous. It was ridiculous. I mean, like, I can sit here and say, oh, I feel for the guy, but I don't.

I don't feel for the guy in that moment. I get his frustrations, and I'll say this, I think Thomas, I feel like he's pushing himself down this path that, like, he doesn't really see where it's going to end up, but I know it's disastrous for him if he keeps going. So for me, I feel that in my mind. I feel that empathy for him. but the way that he handled it, I'm like, dude, this is the gotta be one of the all-time dumbest things I've ever seen in my life.

I mean, it had to have been. And, you know, it took even me to say like, hey, Jen, do you mind if I, like, get up and argue with this guy for a second? Like, do you mind? And he didn't even say hi to her. Exactly what you saw is exactly how it happened. Like, grabs my arm, takes me around the corner, and then fire ensues. Like, it was insane.

Completely asked him. Yeah, see, I didn't get that because we interviewed him. He was our first interview of your guy's season. And I just didn't really get just like a side that wants to like be involved in drama or anything like that. He was super nice in the podcast. So yeah, watching it, I was like, oh, okay. It feels like he got carried away. But when you're having that conversation is in the back of your mind that you're like,

Jen is literally right there. Oh, yeah. In the hall, like she's right in this room next to us. There's no door. Oh, yeah. just a door frame oh yeah and for me i think the biggest thing was like i like to talk i don't know if anybody's got that already figured out but and i also know how to carry a conversation and flow of conversation so in my mind not only do i know that he's making an egregious like mistake for

himself and with jen but i'm going to help him flow that completely wrong and let him completely make a fool of himself and so i'm so i'm like at one point point I'm trying to like cut the argument off, but at another point in my mind, I'm like, all right, if you're going to say all of these things right here right now, then I'm really going to highlight how dumb you sound in this, in this setting. So I was very, very surprised that he didn't like take precaution to what Jen was saying. I'm surprised he didn't like ask me to go, you know, outside or something like that. That was a shock factor for me. Yeah, what do you think was going through his head? Like, how do you think in Thomas N's mind he saw this

looking and playing out? I mean, there's only one way, right? There's only one way that he can possibly look good in this moment. And that's if Jen is like, you're right, Thomas. Like all of these things that I don't know what's happening. I'm validating you for and I'm going to agree with you. And Devin, you're gone. Get out right now.

I can't believe that you're even still here. You're disgusting. Like, that's the only way that it could have worked. And that's what are the chances of that happening? zero you know there's not not for my own sake but just like there's no way you can spin that argument the way that you did especially how confrontational he was into a good light there's no way that you can do that he just he just flew off the handle and just didn't think about it i'm jemail hill hosted the sports and politics podcast politics and on the latest episode

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like is it is it like do you guys really hate each other like what is what's the situation um i don't hate anybody on the on the show i don't hate a single person i've been very adamant that i don't hate anyone and i and i still don't hate's a very strong word um it's like at what point am i going to keep trying to pour effort into something i know i'm not going to get the results out of you know i i know that sam's not going to like me for whatever reason and and at this point he hasn't even discussed these things with me he i don't even know why he doesn't like me i have no inclination of this other than maybe that i pissed off a couple of his buddies like erin and thomas you know i have no reasonings to why he thinks the way he thinks of me we do not like

it seemed like yeah because it seemed like the only conversation between you two was i don't respect you well I don't respect you and that's kind of what it's like why there was never there was he did he was there ever a reason like why I don't respect you I think that he maybe thought that I could have you know been two-faced or somehow you know based on the way that I've been acting and there's no way that this is who he really is there's got to be somebody different but I think that I think that I think that in my mind the reason that Sam doesn't like me is because he's probably met someone like me in his life, in real life that he doesn't like,

and he's associating me with that person. And no matter what I say or do, it's always going to have that effect on him. I know I'm not necessarily like the easiest guy at all times, but I'm not like a disrespectful person or anything like that. I make somebody laugh. I'm very embracing. I'm very comforting when it comes to people.

So for me, I didn't know. But in my mind, I'm like, OK, this isn't going to change. So if it's not going to change, I might as well have a little fun with it, you know? I think you could be on to something of the, like, he's met someone like me and, like, he's associating that. Do you think there was any element of competition with the two of you that he felt in the sense? I think it's pretty obvious at this point in season, but also quite early on, like, Sam M gets that first impression rose. You're pulling Jen. You're getting early on roses as well. Do you think he looks at you potentially as a direct threat as maybe, you know, a competition?

his main competitor in this fight for Jen's heart? Yeah, I think the difference with Sam and I is that we're so polar in how we operate in life. You know, Sam, Sam's a good-looking guy. There's, I won't say very many nice things about him, but that's one thing I'll say. You know, he's a good-looking guy, and I think that he's kind of had it easy

and maybe the women department a little bit. Not saying that I've had such a hard time, but me and him, we do things completely differently in life. I think he doesn't understanding that I can achieve the same things that he's necessarily achieved by getting all this attention, being validated by this woman that you like, you know, having these experiences with her and her enjoying it. I think that it's frustrating him that he almost sees himself as better than me. Why is this guy, you know, on the same level in Jen's eyes or maybe a little bit low? I don't know where the rankings are at this point, but you know what I mean? like he's just well you think that you think that's true do you think he looked down on you like

i'm i'm better than this guy why why does jen even like him how about this i'll say this i'll say in my mind i think he thinks he thinks he's better than me but he doesn't know why it's not translating into real life the first time we see you guys kind of go head to head because you know we've seen you with air and we've seen you with thomas but sam m is kind of always mixed up in it, but the first time we really see you guys go at it is over the Sam N drama, which Sam M and Sam N has just been really confusing for us this season. But Sam N, for those you listening, was The Love Virgin. He confesses his feelings on that down under group date. We see Sam M and Thomas have a reaction to that that is not supportive. There's a lot of laughing and a lot

a teasing going on. And we see you stand up for Sam N. What motivated you to speak up in defense of Sam N? A couple things. One, I had been, I had been the brunt of their shit for so long, you know, so it was just like that fume to a point where I was tired of hearing about it, especially, like you said, like they don't, they don't confront people directly. Me, if I've ever had a problem with somebody, I'll walk right up to your face and I'll say, hey, like, do we have a problem what's our problem if so are we going to fix it if not that we need to go our separate ways them they they like to you know whisper a little bit and kind of let that problem fester so that was a boiling point for me i'm the oldest brother in my family i have a younger brother

who's very like shy didn't had a much harder life than me growing up so i protected that little dude all the time he's my best friend he's one of the people that i look up to the most and even though he's my younger brother. And I saw a little bit of similar characteristics, not like saying Sam N is my brother by any means. But, you know, Sam just went through the ringer already, you know, with Jen, without anyone else needing to make him feel worse. About the situation, you know, he's,

imagine what's going through his head in that time, not at the night portion, just while, you know, think about it. Like he's, he's, he just said he loves you after seeing my ass on TV. or on right before him you know what i mean and and um you know he doesn't know how to feel he's got a ride home thinking about that then get ready for the imagine how long that shower was you know probably the longest shower ever and so for me it was like why kick a why kick a man when he's already down you know if you're gonna if you're gonna whisper whisper nobody can control that i can't stop you guys from talking wherever you guys talk but when he's trying to

have this moment where he needs us you know he needed us and mammal. Hey, I'm sorry that this kind of came off this way. And I don't even think he was doing it for us. I think he was doing it for himself to validate himself. And to get shot down like that, right in his face, you know, just laughing at him. I was like, fuck this.

Too much. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. That was a little that was rough. That was rough to watch. The whole thing. And then Sam ends exit wasn't, wasn't great. Yeah. That was not great. Between you and Sam M,

was there was there ever any like nice moments of like hey like we just both got a drink at the bar like chairs kind of like did you guys ever or just just like that would be crazy we just I'm so shocked he was like yeah well there's a part of me that's watching it right and I get like this feud between you guys well I guess there's a part of him that's watching it like maybe they both like chill out and like could kind of like make amends and almost become friends no but no No, no, I am in my mind, in Sam's mind, I am the embodiment of everything that he has disagreed with his, like, entire life, you know? So, and but also not just that. I mean, I'm friends with a lot of the guys in the house even at this point, you know, that Sam and Thomas would isolate themselves willingly from the group and just, like, do their thing.

And so, you know, they're not making it any easier for us already in this uncomfortable environment. everyone else is like getting secondhand embarrassment or not an uncomfortability I guess the better word you know so it's like I'm at least trying to what is what does you say keep the main thing the main thing so I'm trying you know I'm trying at least and they're not you know so that I think is the big discrepancy between you know Sam and I what was your reaction seeing all of Sam M's interviews because there was a few episodes where he had a lot of things to say about you in his interviews which I'm sure you know

maybe you, I don't know if you were surprised or not, because I know he was saying a lot to your face as well, but what was your reaction? Um, it was very telling in my mind, you know. Yeah, he, he would say like, I don't respect you or, uh, you know, I don't like you to my face.

I get that. But to like call me a bitch and stuff like that behind the cameras. Like it's very telling. Again, I'm not, I'm not talking about these guys the way that they're talking about me. If I, if I make a joke about them, or about Sam in particular

it's usually about like I just did like keep the main thing the main thing it's one of those things like you know I'm never like taking shots so for me to see that I mean I'm not gonna lie and say I was shocked

I knew the guy didn't like me it's just kind of funny to watch back when you say someone doesn't bother you and you're not going to let someone bother you and then you proceed to let them bother you so much and talk about it so much it's very telling about what

what you are you know so i i i took no offense to it was like a glorifying whatever i guess okay let's let's move past all the all the guy drama um you have a one-on-one date in new zealand with jen um let's talk a little bit about that and where you felt your relationship was after that date how did you feel about the activity of your one-on-one date um i thought i mean to be honest i thought it was right up my house you know it was uh it was a break from all the chaos in my mind. You know, it was something that I needed. And when I went there and experienced this amazing culture from the Mouti people with

Jen, you know, it was such a refreshing moment for me because, again, I'm stressed out. I mean, I'd be lying to you if I said I wasn't stressed out with all the stuff that was going on. So to have just this cutaway moment with Jen was fantastic. and she was very, very open and reciprocate, how do you say that? Receptive? Receptive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. That's the one. Recept. She was very open and receptive to how vulnerable I was getting. And it wasn't easy for me. I didn't really know kind of what the date was going to track to look like. You know, we did a lot of things. So to be able to talk about my life experiences and my family just helped me bond.

closer to her because I feel like we've had a lot of those small discussions and I want to get to the real ones and that helped preface a lot of, you know, the conversation that her and I had laid on at night. So it was, it was a fantastic day for us. It was a beautiful day. I say, I always like to joke. I left the villain of me in that temple in New Zealand because when I walked out of that place, man, I felt like a new man with him. So it was, it was great. It was great feel. It does kind of actually make sense because it does kind of seem like that. As a viewer, it seems like that. Do you, now like where are you with your feelings towards Jen after this date? Yeah. So, so the daytime, obviously, I, you know, I let her know. I like her. I like her a lot at that

point. I had been feeling a certain type of way about her, I think, the week leading up to that, especially with how she validated me with the group date rose. You know, she was so warm and open to me then. You know, there were a lot of things that she had been doing for me without even realizing that made me feel strongly about her. So going into the night portion of our date was monumental for me in my mind because it was the, I can finally play like my next piece that I really, really wanted to get across to her was, this is why I am the way I am.

you know it's not just some facade that i'm putting on and and it's not some cloak or a tough guy act like this is why i am the way i am and and all of the things that associate with that and for her to accept that and have we had so many bonding moments during that conversation you know similar upbringes similar family style like not having it easy you know that was that was that was all the reassurance i needed to to let her know that i was following for So yeah, I was going to say So never watching the show And it's it's

You know Obviously not a normal situation Can't have you like Looked within yourself Do you think you could fall in love In a situation like this? Or were you surprised by how fast I was very surprised

I was very very surprised Again I I didn't come into the show Fully knowledgeable of how it worked And one thing that I will commend the show on doing is putting you in that moment where you really have to reflect on what you want in life.

You know, all of the filler conversations go away, right? You have to, you really have to cut down to the meat and potatoes of who you are in your essence. And it really helped me open those walls for her to see who I was, and it was great. So yeah, I think it's 100% possible. All right, so now let's cut to this episode, with the episode that's currently aired

and we see Jen's X come back Matt and you're one of the guys are happy you're one of the guys like if he stays I think I'm out would you is that was that real

is that really how you felt oh yeah and that was that was a moment that I don't think um I think that was in one of the moments where I didn't really

I like to say I think through a lot of the things that I'm going to say versus just spewing them out. That was really just pure emotion for me. Like I've done, I've played X games before. You know, it's been a theme in my life in the past. And for me, in my mind, to have the strength to turn all that away, I've turned a new chapter in my life and I'm putting it all out there for this woman

that I want to see where it could go. And we just had an amazing one-on-one day. So it was personal for me, you know, those feelings were personal. I had just told her I was falling for all of these new developing budding emotions that I'm, you know, experiencing. And then the hammer drops. You know, some guy that dated her in the past could just take her way and that could be

that because I know how, I know how easy it is to fall into that feeling of comfortability with like a ex partner. An ex. Yeah. What did you think of Matt coming in and telling you guys, hey, I'm not staying. I'm leaving. How did you feel hearing that he wasn't going to be joining the journey

and what was also your opinion on the guy's response to what he was saying? So for me, I was very happy that he wasn't staying. I mean, I don't want to deal with that. Did you and Sam M at least bond over that? I was going to say, we bought it. There was a very budding moment

where him and I like, I think we have. The common enemy. You found a common enemy. I think we had a conversation where it was like, I may hate you, you may hate me, but we both hate this guy way more. So like, you know, that was like probably the one good moment that we had, you know. It was, it was insane to think about, you know, because I can only put myself in my shoes, right? But if I can think about what all the other guys are feeling, I don't know how far along any of these guys are in their relationships either.

So, you know, I can only imagine what the collective feels. is to this stranger walking in and saying, hey, this girl meant so much to me in the past and I'm going to try and make her mean so much more to me again, that that's a very, you know, drive a stake in things. So it was a very refreshing feeling to know that he was leaving, but not just because he was leaving, but because Jen, it's like you watch her grow. Like I watched her grow in that moment. So much more. Yeah, we've really seen her grow a lot through the season, especially in this episode. Yes, and I know where I've faltered in the past,

where I've made that mistake of going back to an ex-partner before and not having the strength to know that something else is better for me in my future, and to watch her kind of do that, where I have failed in my life, made me that much more attached to her because I was like, wow, you've just, like, everything that I've tried to do in the past that I had to work so hard to get to do,

or like to get to be able to be at an, in a place in my mind you just did it right there and that was amazing to see that she chose you know the uncomfortable moment versus just the safe and reliable what I know in the past moment you know it was I know something better is out there and I want to see where that goes I wanted them to stay I liked them right can you we're going to play a quick game before you leave but um before we get into that if you could if you could tease the rest of the season without spoiling it, what would you say?

There's a lot of, oh, man, there's a lot of twist and turns coming up. A lot more drama, as if you haven't seen enough already. Some crazy, some crazy, crazy experiences. And, yeah, hold on to your seatbelt, boys. That's wild, because the top half of your guys' season has been so nuts with so much drama

and then this last episode we were saying okay it's really died down I feel like we're slowing down on the drama front so to hear that there's still a lot more twists and turns to come is interesting

it's going to be in incredible season for sure nice all right we're going to play rapid fire get to know Devon first thing that comes to your head you ready ready all right

who is your first concert Drake go to Comfort movie or TV show? Go to Comfort. You get a TV show. Oh, crap. This is Rapid Fire, right? This is Rapid Fire. Yeah, we could give us a few if you want.

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. How to lose guy today's. Okay. What is your signature cocktail? Dirty, dirty martini. Vodka. How do you feel about the word ferocious love? I'm still trying to define ferocious what it means. I think you

That's what I said Can you define it? Because I defined what I thought it meant Can you define what you think it means real quick? I think ferocious in my mind means Leaving everything out there But putting your best intent with it Just because it's

A different approach doesn't make it wrong All right Favorite group date activity so far The comedy rest was fun Dream vacation destination Italy Favorite food or cuisine Chicken parmesan

Killer Something on Yeah Something on your bucket list Skydive But I don't know if I want to do it anymore After seeing all these people jump out of planes Don't do it

Air bird Early bird or night owl I'm an early bird 100% Go to pizza order It's the Oh it's the hot and honey it's like the hot honey sauce with the ham

and the pepperoni's on top so good what's the first thing you do if you won the lottery change my phone number what is one thing we don't know about you but we should those ones are always hard

I don't know I look better with the beard if you could sum up this season of The Bachelor just using one word, what would that word be? Intense. Devin, that is an episode.

Your first podcast, you did great. Thank you so much for coming on. No, I appreciate it, Joe. Thank you guys. And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to Bachelor Happy Hour. We really appreciate it. And we have new guests, new interviews every week of Jen season and recap. So don't miss.

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