Bachelor Happy Hour - Diamonds or Dire Straits?

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

Today on Happy Hour we are getting into last night's Fantasy Suites episode of The Bachelorette! We kick off today getting into some Bachelor Nation News; it's a Bachelor Baby Boom! Then, we get into the episode; we are down to Jenn's final 3 and the race is tight! Joe and Serena cover every inch of this episode, getting into their very contrasting takes! Who's going home next? How will Jenn's journey end? Tune in now to hear Joe and Serena's thoughts and so much more! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. I'm Jamel Hill, hosted the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics. On this week's episode, I'm joined by all-time great Hooper and basketball analyst Candace Parker, who gives insight into her candid new book, including why she waited two years into marriage to come out.

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Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here to recap another episode of The Bachelorette, but it is Fantasy Suite Week. And the season went by pretty quick. It did. And tonight, don't forget to tune in to the Mentel All.

All your favorites are back, as well as our favorite Bachelorette, Jen. will be making an appearance. And then tomorrow, be sure to tune in to Bachelor Happy Hour as we will be live from the tell-all interviewing a couple of your favorite men. I enjoy the live roundtable. Me too. I actually think this was my favorite men-tell-all interview segment that we've done.

Every one of the guys came with such good energy, different personalities, different perspectives, and we had a lot of really fun chats. Yeah, you get everyone when they are still riding the high of a reunion. shall. Yeah, and just finishing those reunions, the adrenaline's still going, but you're also feeling so relieved that it's done. So it's a great time to get to talk to them. And within Bachelor Nation, we have, I think, five people announcing pregnancies. Yeah, it's a baby boom and Bachelor Nation for sure these past few weeks. So you have a former bachelorette, Andy Dorfman, former bachelor, Ben Higgins. Tia is having another baby. Maddo.

Madison Pruitt and I believe her name's Jenna Cooper. Jenna Cooper, who was actually on my season of my first season of Bachelor in Paradise. So congrats to all of them. May they have beautiful, healthy babies. Yes, we're so happy. It's always fun to see the love and the babies come all together in Bachelor Nation. So congrats to everyone. And we are wishing you guys safe, happy, healthy pregnancies and children.

We also, speaking of Bachelor Nation events, saw a lot of our Bachelor nation favorites, Charity in Doughton, Ben Higgins, Natasha Parker, Daisy. The list goes on and on. Susie and Kathy were there at the IHeart Radio golf tournament event in San Francisco. Yep, we were supposed to go, but our flight got canceled in Air Canada and decided to rebook us with only one option, which was two and a half days later. I mean, like insane. I was so upset about that. And the best is we didn't even know our flight was canceled until 4.30 in the morning. Well, it got canceled at like 4.20 a.m. Yeah. And our flight, we were waking up at 5 a.m. to leave for our flight, fully packed, ready to go. It was crazy. I was on hold with Air Canada for two hours waiting to get through for them to be like, yeah, no, like there's nothing we can do, which look, stuff happens. If you follow us in Instagram,

You're fully versed because we were updating you guys like crazy on our travel nightmare. It's just like have a backup airlines. Like have some have some more backups in place. The fact that we couldn't fly out for two more days, I just, I'm just not okay with that. I know. And Joe's been working really hard on his golfing. I had a cute golf outfit all lined up. We were ready to go.

So it was a huge bummer. Honestly, we were down in the dumps for two days. But it was nice. We got to spend some more time with my family. And we will hopefully make the next. next iHeard event with all of our favorite people yeah so but we want to change our attitudes because right now our attitudes are very negative and that's not a fun way to podcast so let's change our attitudes and get into the recap so we have fantasy sweets fantasy sweets who is first up

devon devon is first up they are in hawaii which i just really want to go to hawaii every time i see it it just calls to me it speaks to me i feel like my soul would feel so at peace there it just looks so beautiful so much nature i love being in open water i mean we could go i know every but serena doesn't know how to book a trip that's not true that is not true what do you think i did until i met you i don't know i don't know if you've ever because i know that when you first met me when we were staying at chicago that was the first time you were booking flights that's true actually They didn't tell me that. That's true.

I never booked a flight for myself until Joe and I met. I wasn't traveling that much. I usually had help doing it. Like I would sit down with like a friend or like my mom and they would help me. But we travel a lot. I could book a trip. You're just very good at booking trips. So I usually let you do it.

Well, I mean, if you want to jump on the Hawaii research, go for it. The thing with Hawaii is it's so expensive during the winter, which is the time of year you want to go to Hawaii. Yeah. So maybe next summer we'll go. It's literally my dream. It's my dream. I've always wanted to go there. Unless anyone from Fairmont is listening to this podcast and they want to hook us up.

Yeah. Or any airlines that want to make up for a terrible travel and wants to fly us out there. We are open to offers. But anyway, or Bachelor, if you guys want to have us come host a date when you guys are in Hawaii next, we're totally available. But they're in Hawaii, back on track. We open with a chat with Molly, who we saw on the Seattle date. Her and Jason have been together for years.

Jason was The Bachelor. I actually loved this conversation. I thought she was great. I think they should definitely bring her back for more chats. Yeah. I feel like we got a lot out of Jen. I feel like Molly directed the conversation where I wanted it to go. I feel like she was really encouraging.

She was giving like Big Sister vibes. I thought it was great. I really liked Molly. I mean, yeah, if you want me to be completely honest, my issue, I don't really have an issue. I'm just not sold that Jen's ready for an engagement. If I'm going to be completely honest, if we're all watching the same show, I just don't know if I fully see that yet. Okay.

That's an interesting take. Why do you think that? I just, I don't know. Maybe I don't know if it's that she's not ready or I just, I don't know if I'm seeing her have the conversations that. would be taking, would be like really getting to no, I don't know. I don't know exactly. I can't really pinpoint it. I will add on to what you're saying.

I think what we're seeing with Jen is as she's expressed, she's been in a lot of toxic relationships in her past. I think this might be the first time she in her life is exploring healthy, stable relationships that could legitimately lead to marriage. And she openly admits that once she shies away from them. Yeah. So I think maybe it's just that, it's that because I don't want to compare her to charity, but I remember watching charity season and recapping charity season.

And at this point in the show, there was no doubt in my mind that charity, like charity was ready. And that's really how it came across. Yeah. And she was driving that show from day. one towards engagement and she was very, very vocal about engagement. And if you're not here for that, get out. That's what I'm looking for. I think Jen is on more of an explorer's journey and she's learning a lot about herself and she's discovering things about how she is in relationships and what she's looking for. And I feel like that storyline has maybe pushed the engagement

to the backseat a little bit. So you agree with me? It's not that I don't think she's ready. It's just that I think that there's a lot of newness and experiences happening and gross that maybe by the end she'll be ready. But I think we're taking steps in the right direction. But I don't know if she necessarily came on this show in a place where she was like I'm, I think maybe she came on like thinking she was ready. And I honestly think that she through this journey has learned a lot about herself that. I also don't think there's anything wrong with not being ready. I don't think you and I were truly ready and we did it and it worked.

You don't think at the ripe age of 35, you were ready to get engaged? I don't know if I mentally was fully there. Really? Yeah. I feel like you were. Maybe I was. But I mean, yeah, there's still there's still time left to see where this all goes. But I do feel like the tone is less like I,

I am looking for a husband, and it's more like this journey of self-exploration and growth. Okay. I feel like that's really the narrative we're getting from Jen. Okay. So. Okay. Say okay one more time. Um, what?

I can just tell when you're like, shut up, Serena. We're done on this topic. We're trying to move on. I never envision being with a woman. I'll just be honest. I'm Jamel Hill, host of the sports and politics. podcast, Spolitics. On this week's episode, I'm joined by basketball legend, Candice Parker, who stops by to

discuss her candid new book, The Can Do Mindset, in which she shares why she waited two years into marriage to come out. Like, when I close my eyes at night, every night, I was like, I need to find my prince charming. Like, it was never a princess. Like, that never entered into my mind. But, you know, as I learned, sometimes life gives you things. wrapped in a package that you didn't expect it.

And that was just, you know, and honestly, it took me a long time to be okay with myself. Make sure to listen to this week's episode of Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers.

The pilot is having an emergency, and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this, until this. Pull that, turn this. It's just, I can do my eyes close. I'm Manny.

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Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Okay, so Devin and her. I didn't expect Devin to be number one.

No, I'm actually, yeah, I'm glad he was. And this was the first time that I've seen them together. And I'm kind of questioning it now. Because I have really been a believer that Jen was really, really into Devin. Yeah. But after watching this whole episode, I'm actually I'm like oh she's really into Marcus totally and Devin seems to be much more into Jen than I thought he was and then than that I think she's into him and what I kind of worry about

is I feel like Jen is coming across with I'm I don't know like Devin is perfect like Devin is telling me everything I want to hear. I usually don't get this in a relationship. Why can't I just be fully committed to this? She seems to say she feels like it's too good to be true with Devin. Yeah. Which is interesting because Devin's been at like the heart of the drama this whole time. Yeah, but she also, I don't know if she knows that.

Right. No, she doesn't. I mean, I'm sure she knew in the beginning there was a little conflict because it was kind of going on in her face. But yeah, she feels like it's too good to be true in terms of like how he acts. with her and what he says towards her. And now we're starting to see Devin Spiral, which when someone does this at this point, I also want to be like, you do have to realize that there are,

you're on a show and there's multiple, there's all other guys there. Yeah, but that's why he's freaking out because there are other guys there. I know, but he also has to give her some grace and understand her situation. Like put yourself in that situation. because she can't fully it would be foolish if she fully committed to him

at this point there is other guys there and she doesn't know and I don't know that's why it's like one of those things where guys go on the show and they're like

I have never watched the show but this is kind of what you need to watch it for because this is what happens 100%. 100%. I think yeah I don't know

it's so hard to tell because Jen actually I felt like she seemed so happy on this date like she was just beaming she seemed to relax she seemed herself but then she did kind of seem like that on the other dates as well but i was just like wow she seems really happy with devon and devon is looking for those things of a wife and kids and a family and those seem to be the things jens's looking for as well but she wonders if she's self-sabotaging kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop whereas i feel like with marcus there have been kind of like buried and struggles in terms of like the ability to get there and emotional growth.

And I just feel like she's like, oh, it's good that we're struggling here and now. And I see that. And I don't want to like leave this with Devin and then find out like, then struggle on the outside. You know what I mean? Do you think it's as simple as Jen wants something that she potentially can't have, which I think everyone, everyone falls victim to that? Maybe I do think her and Marcus have an amazing connection. but I think that there's something a little psychological with being the lead of this show. And I mean, I've never asked to lead this.

They might be like, you don't know what you're talking about. But being the lead of the show, you have so many people idolizing you and telling you like, this is my wife and you're the one for me and you're beautiful and perfect in every way. And then to have someone that like is giving you a little resistant. I think there's... It's refreshing. I think it's a refreshing. I think there's a bit of a challenge and excitement there that you don't necessarily get with people that are all in from day one that like don't even know you.

And I think it just feels a little more real because it's like, yeah. I agree with that, especially with this season two because I feel like a lot of the guys came at her, like with so hard and so fast. Yeah, like very strong. Like I'm fully committed. like I'm ready for engagement. But yeah, I mean, they leave. I mean, Jen seems once they part ways, Devin and Jen, Jen seems happy. Totally.

Devin is the one that's expressing the fact that like this is really hard. He's not receiving what he's giving. And yeah, this is when I'm kind of like, well, Devin, like, yeah, there's two other guys. Well, I thought it was interesting too because he obviously tells Jen that he's She's in love with her, and she doesn't say it back. I think that Devin probably thought she might say it back in the fantasy suite because he seems pretty, like, rattled but okay until the fantasy suite's done. And then he openly says, like, I said it again in the fantasy suite and she still

didn't say it back, which, like, if there's a time to say it back and you're trying to, like, kind of like, be sneaky about it, it's in the fantasy suite. And to me, that tells me she's not in love with it. I think she explicitly says, like, I'm not in love with it. Oh, yeah, she does. Jen think, I wrote, Jen thinks she'll know it when she knows it, but she's not in love yet.

So Devin is ahead of Jen in the situation, for sure in terms of his feelings. And he absolutely is freaking out. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, then moving on to the next one is Jonathan. Mm-hmm. Jonathan, I just think really slow played his relationship with Jen.

and I feel like he's he's the third guy and it feels like he's in third place. A little bit, yeah, especially from just the things that we see in this episode in terms of Devin's in love with Jen. But Jonathan, it just feels like he's a step behind. Yeah, it's giving, yeah, it's almost flirting with like friend zone. Really, you think? If they weren't attracted to each other. I think there's an attraction there. But I just, I think it's more like we're attracted to each other.

Like, I think Jonathan is there because he's good looking. And it was like, and he's likable. And I think there's somewhat of a friendship there. And I think he was the. Really? I don't know if I agree with that. I feel like I've seen fantasy suites where it's like there's an obvious third place dude. And it's either they're super hot.

The girl, the guy is like amazing, good looking. You're like, okay, I feel like they're just here because like there's an attraction or the opposite where it's like there's no sexual chemistry and they're just here because like they're funny or they get along. I feel like Jonathan has both just not to the extent that she does with Devin and Marcus. And I do think he comments, he says something at the beginning of the day where he's like, she doesn't know enough about me for me to feel comfortable proposing to her yet. And I want to be like, well, Jonathan, pick up the pace man. You know, you're almost there. And she said that. But it also, she says that I also don't think she really cares as much. Like I also.

she's not trying to get to know. Yeah. Like I also think that that's a little on Jen of like, if you were really into him, you are the lead. You could push. You could push a little too. Yeah. Ask some questions. Let's go.

Interrogate the man. Yeah. Which I feel like she does with Marcus. She does. I feel like she. She really drives those conversations to get there. Because I feel like Marcus is much more reserved than Jonathan. But Jen pushes Marcus more.

And then Marcus opens up where I just don't see that with Jonathan. So, yeah, I mean, but I don't know because right now, after seeing Marcus in Devin go, I kind of put them both in the same boat. Marcus and Devin? Yeah, because I could, I could see, like, I could see, we see a teaser at the beginning of the episode and then we see it at the end of the episode. But Devin's going to confront Jen, go to the room. And I. Wait, do you mean you put? Marcus and Devin in the same boat or Jonathan and Devin?

Okay, you said Marcus and Devin. Yeah, we haven't talked about Marcus yet. We'll get there. I agree because she's not in love with Devin either. She's not in love with Jonathan. So for all we know, like, her feelings for Jonathan could be more escalated. And I can see Devin going to her room and being like, you know, and I can see her being like, I'm just not there. So like, see, because we've seen that in the past few seasons where, you know, someone towards the end goes and confronts the lead and it's somewhat worked. But like, I, I'm kind of waiting for that to not work. Yeah, I feel like that conversation could really go either way, you know?

I mean, I do think she's really into Devin. I feel like they have a very natural chemistry, but she didn't say it back because she doesn't feel it or she's not there yet at least or ready to say it. And he did. So, yeah, that conversation is going to go when she waits, either she's going to be like, no, I do feel these things for you, or she's going to say, look, I'm just not there. And I don't know if I'm going to get there. And if you feel like you got to go, you got to go.

Yeah, I'm confused with the Devin and Jen of it all, which I, going into this, I really wasn't. I was really, I really had, I was really like, Jen's really into him. He's really into her. And that's going to work. Yeah. And I think I was wrong with how much I thought Jen was into Devin. Yeah, and Marcus.

Yeah. I think, like, we thought it was like Devin and then Marcus, like, a couple notches down. And I would flip that. Yeah. I never envisioned being with a woman. I'll just be honest. I'm Jamel Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics. On this week's episode, I'm joined by basketball legend, Candice Parker, who stops by to discuss her candid new book, The Can Do Mindset, in which she shares why she waited two years into marriage to come out.

Like, when I close my eyes at night, every night, I was like, I need to find my prince charming. Like, it was never a princess. Like, that never entered into my mind. But, you know, as I learned, sometimes life gives you things wrapped in a package that you didn't expect it. And that was just, you know, and honestly, it took me a long time to be okay with myself. Make sure to listen to this week's episode of Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this.

Attention passengers. The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this, do this, pull that, turn this. It's just... I can do my eyes closed. I'm Mani.

I'm Noah. This is Devin. And on our new show, No Such Thing, we get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence. Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise. And then, as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the runway.

I'm looking at this thing. See? Listen to No Such Thing on the I Heart Radio. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free. free iHeartRadio app search emergency intercom and listen now so let's go to marcus marcus's date um also they did something really cool where they like night they like went underwater

that was one of the coolest date activities i've ever seen yeah that looked like a lot of fun uh they go to they have deeper conversations marcus marcus says like i'm just like i'm i'm i'm i'm Sorry, I'm just not there. Which. That was a very, very long, very serious conversation between Jen and Marcus. Like that went on way longer than I expected. Which I think as a viewer, I think most people are going to be like, that's a red flag. But if you've ever done this experience, for Marcus not to fully be there at this point is okay.

Yeah. Wait, what? I think it's, I think for Marcus to, to, because he's being very honest. He's, I don't think he's, he's, I think he's, I think he's, I think he's, I think he's, he's, I think he's, he's, I think he's, he's, he's like Jen. I just think he's, if he's not there yet, he'll never get there. I don't think that is, is what I'm saying. I mean, do you think if since Marcus is not there yet, do you think he can never get there? It's not that I don't think he can ever get there. It's the way he speaks about not being in love with Jen is not in a hopeful tone where it's like, look, I'm not in love with you yet. But I do think tonight in fantasy suites is going to be huge for our relationship. And there's just things that we need to talk about.

And like meeting your family is going to be so huge. like I see myself getting there and I'm on that trajectory. Like there's no hope of, I'm not in love with you, but I think I will be. It's like I don't think he knows if he will be, which usually in this process means no. And as much as like, yeah, there's time left. Like, if you don't feel like you're like close to falling in love with someone, like I don't know if the next couple hours is going to change that. And I know he's been through a lot

And there's a lot of internal conflict going on But this process is fast And it goes by fast And I just think that he is a step behind her Which is never great Like the only time I remember seeing it I take back everything I said You're right

Do agree with me? Yeah, I agree with you The only time I've seen it where it really surprised me Was I think it was Daisy That was like I'm not there yet But then she actually got there. And I was like, well, I was not expecting that. But those two still didn't end up together because his relationship, well, him and Kelsey are just like beautiful and soulmates in and love.

But like, I do think that holds the relationship back. Yeah, but didn't you see, didn't you see Marcus seem to get a little giddy or happier when he heard Jen finally say that she was in love with him? Because. Giddy would be the word I used. I mean, he was like solemnly crying. Yeah, but then it's, it seemed like that information may have touched him and probably allowed him to like let another guard down. Yeah, because maybe just maybe just not hearing that and then maybe, you know, after fantasy suites and then meeting her family, he could get there. Totally. And I hope that he does. I'm just hesitant to think that he will, especially he was talking. I wanted to be like, get it out, man.

Like what is going on? because I was like, either he's going to say I'm in love with you, he's going to say I'm not in love with you, he's going to send himself home. Like the whole conversation was teetering on this like, like I think that conversation, if it had gone differently, could have led to him going home.

That was the energy I was getting. Or maybe he was just so nervous that that was the energy he was exuding. But I think Jen saying, well, I'm going to be honest, I'm in love with you, pushed it towards him staying and continuing to try to make it work.

All right, hypothetical here. Before we end this recap. Okay. And then I have one more thing. to say. Okay. Do you want to say that now? Yeah, I want to say it quickly. I do think my last point on this topic about Marcus, there's a lot of people that come on this show with a significant amount of childhood trauma, relationship trauma, et cetera. And I think it can make it very difficult when you're in the environment to determine am I not falling for this person because of what I've been through

my past and I'm letting it hold me back because the environment is just not cohesive to me as a person here on the show or because I'm just not that into the lead and I just don't I think Marcus is having an internal battle right now about like why he's not getting there and I think it it might just be like Jen's not his person yeah okay so let's say let's say it's let's say it's Devin and Marcus okay and like hypothetically Jonathan goes home hypothetically Jonathan goes home Marcus never gets there and tells Jen, I'm never going to get there. Devon's there and Jen's not there with Devin. If you're Devin, are you, like, are you okay with that?

Because, like, that to me is the, that. But I think some people could be. That is always, like, watching this show, to me, that is the most difficult position to be in. And I think the hardest thing to get over if you feel, and there's kind of enough evidence, that you're second place, that's tough. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. The only way that if it's Marcus and Devin that are the final two, which like we still don't know because this could play out in a variety of different ways. I think there's also a chance that Jen is feeling really strongly for Devin,

but because I think he was, I think the leads have the most restraint on the first fantasy suite. They hold the most back. They want to be respectful. They want to be mindful. They have two more. I think Marcus being the third one. I also think Marcus having a really, really hard time is what led to Jen saying she's in love with him. but I mean yeah I don't know I don't know I'm trying to like there's so many different ways that this could go but if I was devon and it was like you were in love with Marcus but you weren't in love with me yet and then Marcus couldn't get there and now it's me and you but I feel like second choice like that would be very hard that would be hard but also it's like it it is still a expedited experience and in the real world like it you know it you could have been wrong like it really.

could be Devin like Devin actually does make the most sense and you're really into him so it's like it's worth giving it a shot if he's down and she's down yeah i just don't know i'm getting i'm i'm i don't like like devon's added not that i don't like like devon's attitude but like devon's attitude right now is not giving me it's it's glass half empty not glass half full devon's having a bit of a meltdown for sure he's freaking out but there's usually someone that is during Fantasy Sweet Week. Yeah, but I just think that's so hard to go into a long-term committed relationship with that mentality.

I just think that that mentality is, if they did end up together, would make it very hard for him to watch the show back. Yeah, and there's also that. Because he obviously, you know, has been, you know, dealt with infidelity in the past and it's a soft spot for him. Also, Devin was the one guy that we interviewed that was very vocal about Jen's X. coming back. And if he stayed, he said, I'm gone.

Yeah. Like, he wouldn't even like that. And to me, that's kind of... Like, well, all of these guys are now, Jen's X's, technically. Yeah. But that was kind of like a sign of like, well, if this X comes back, that's a hard note. Like, I just feel like Devin has things he's fine with and things he's not. And if it's, if he's not okay with it, then he can't, yeah.

But I will say, like, people that come on this show as a contestant who have been cheated on in past relationships do usually. take this point in the journey very, like they feel like they're getting cheated on. Well, has every guy on this show on this season been cheated on? Because I feel like every single guy that. Yeah, but I feel like fantasy sweets is different. Yeah, but I feel like every guy, no, what I'm saying is every guy on this season has sat down with Jen and talked about how he's been cheated on in the past. There's been like six guys.

Yeah. It's crazy. So I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, most of these guys on the season have been cheated on. Yeah. Also, shout is Jesse. he's doing chats with everyone these days.

He's playing golf with Marcus. Well, Marcus is going through it, sitting at a bar with Devin. Well, to me, Marcus needs someone. Like, I think Marcus is in a spot where he really needs to talk about this. Because he, yeah, like you said, I think he's having a serious internal battle right now. And he can't really decipher what's what. Yeah. And I do think he needs to kind of talk it out.

I think Devin needs to talk it out too because he's in his head totally spiraling right now about the fact that he said, I love you. She didn't say it back. Well, the problem with Devin is Devin's just talking. And I feel like he's just, I think the more Devin talks about it. He's spiraling himself deeper and deeper. Yeah. Which is something I do.

I mean, he needs to talk to Jen. On to the point where he's saying like, she says she cares about me, but like I don't feel it. Yeah. He just needs to talk to her. So thank God he went to her room. We'll see tonight, I believe, how that all plays out. Yeah. So stay tuned because it's going to go.

if it could be Devin leaves because Jen's just not there and he is or he freaks out and can't do it anymore. Jonathan leaves. It kind of seems like he's the one that's a little step behind or Marcus sends himself home or Jen could just be like I'm too far past where you are like you're never going to catch up to me and like there's no point in furthering this relationship. It can really go one of three ways. Yeah, a lot could happen. We'll see. I'm actually, I really, I usually feel like I have a good idea what's going to happen. I don't know. I'm actually excited to see how this all plays out. And yeah, thank you, everyone. That's a recap.

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