Bachelor Happy Hour - Don’t Stop Believing, Plus: A Truth Circle to Remember

Episode Date: October 6, 2023

“The Golden Bachelor” and “Bachelor in Paradise” are officially underway, and there is a lot to discuss!   As they look back at last night’s episode of “Golden Bachelor,” Joe and Serena share their thoughts on the one-on-one date between Gerry and Theresa, their shared FOMO of never getting to actually live in the Bachelor Mansion, and who they can tell is already forming a physical connection with Gerry.  Then, as they shift the tides to “Paradise,” Joe and Serena discuss the growing connection between Aaron B. and Eliza, the surprising recipient of Peter’s rose, and, of course, celebrating Hannah Brown’s return to the franchise.   Be sure to follow so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today we are going to be recapping the second episode of the Golden Bachelor, second episode of Bachelor in Paradise. And then later in the week, we have two guests. Nancy and Hannah Brown who stirred up a lot of shit in paradise which was great I enjoyed it I enjoyed it too one thing I will say about that

before we recap Golden the castmates every time she asked something Hannah if they felt like they had the answer oh my God I know it's so funny when you watch these shows because you would think that there was

a gun to their head being like answer honestly or you're kicked off the beach and it's like no one would know if you just like said like I'm good thanks or like lied yeah and then you saw you saw like the spark in Hannah's face realizing like oh they're really just gonna answer everything I ask okay I was like this is going way better than I expected like I'm getting everything plus more yeah they're all just like oh I can't believe you asked me that so now I got to answer okay if we were to ever go back down and do a cameo in paradise which hopefully one day we will get the chance to I would love to do the truth circle circle yeah Yeah, that seems like a lot of fun. And usually I hate the true circles because they're always like really emotional and you end up getting people's like deepest, darkest secrets and traumas from their childhood. But this one was fun. It was just like stirring up shit. Yeah.

Yeah, I agree. Great. Okay. Let's recap golden, shall we? I'm so ready. All right. So first thing we see the women arrive in the mansion, which we don't really see that on the show anymore. I think because they used to do it probably.

But like this is the first time that golden women have ever. stepped into the mansion and then are sleeping there, you know? Yeah, I feel like we usually see like, we're here, we're at the mansion, yay, like kind of like just the arrival. But I feel like we got to see more of the mansion than what they usually show us in terms of like the bedrooms, the bathrooms. And you never stayed at the mansion and neither have I, because you went home night one and my season was shot at Nemecullen. So I was actually excited to see what the bedrooms look like. Yeah, it's kind of crazy that neither of us have seen the bedrooms and the I've never even stepped foot in the Bachelor mission of you.

And we're hosting the official Bachelor podcast. I know what makes us qualified to be here. Yeah. But it is like it is in one of the women like, yeah, like I'm 70 years old. I am set in my ways, which I completely understand. Because I feel like I'm setting, I'm set in my bedroom ways already. You are. Like I don't like sharing a room with anyone besides you.

Yeah. You don't like sharing a room with anyone besides me and you really don't like sharing a bathroom with anyone besides me. No, I want my, I need my own bathroom. Yeah, it's a big, big issue. Not an issue, but like it's a big deal for you. Yeah. It's fair. You like your privacy and your space?

I like my own quarters. So I can't even imagine how these women felt being like who's, and I actually thought about this. I was like, how are they going to do this bunk bed situation? Because I can imagine it's not easy for all of these women to climb up to a top bunk. That's true. I don't even like climbing up to a top bunk. I didn't even think about that.

Wow. Okay. Well, it's like, what did someone call it? someone called it big girl camp it's like big girl summer camp it's what it feels like it's one of those things it's a shock to the system when you get there you're probably never going to fully love it but they'll just kind of get used to it as it goes on so in walks the camp counselor jessie himself um in it's the first date card i know it was a big deal very exciting and very funny because nancy who is one of joe's favorites and we're very excited to talk to her more in our interview

goes oh what are you going to do with that oh you're not going to read it like she had no clue what was going on which was very endearing i love nancy nance that's my girl i think i got her i i think she's the winner but we'll see i can't remember who we picked as our top four nancy's in my top i know she is i can't remember she's a minor or not um so then trisa gets trisa gets the first day card which was surprising was it surprising Who did you think it was going to be? I thought it was maybe going to be the blonde. Who's the blonde woman?

There's a few of them. Joan. Joan. You thought it was me, Joe. I thought it was going to be Joan. Okay. I didn't know who was going to be. I thought maybe Leslie, maybe Nancy, but Teresa totally made sense to me because they did share like a really cute special moment on night one with the cupcake and the kids. I just felt that Trisa, there was potential of her going home and not getting a rose that first night. Because she was like one of the last people to talk to Gary. Yeah, but they like made out hard.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. It's true. You're right. You're right. And I feel like he seems to like women with kind of a softer, very sweet, sensitive, caring demeanor. Not all of the women, but I feel like, like, Faith and Teresa kind of have that, like, warmth. like very, very warm softness to them.

Yeah. Not that they're not strong women, but you know what I mean. Yeah. And I feel like he also kind of has that like sensitive softness to him and like he's kind of connecting with those kinds of women. And Teresa, one thing she said that stuck with me is she got married at 18. I know. And then married for I think it was like 40 years plus.

Yeah. She said that they were high school sweethearts and that he got drafted. Yeah. And they got married. So very young. I mean, when people say that. I got married young at 25. I'm going to be like,

mm-mm, check up my girl, Teresa. Yeah, truth. And it worked, so. And it worked. There we go. And now she's ready. She seems to be very ready today. She seems to be wildly into Gary.

Like, she's really into Gary. Oh, yeah. Like emotionally and sexually. She's down for Gary. Yeah. I agree. Well, let's first, let's talk about the death drive. Yeah.

Of him out of an L.A. Highway at night. No head. Bachelor, you're going to give this guy a car with broken headlights? I know. And honestly, like, I am a little bit of an anxious driver. I don't really like driving. I'm not a good driver. That's for sure. Even with my fake confidence. So, like, as much as I'm 25 and I can't imagine what it feels like to be in that position at 71, I would have been very, very nervous. Like, I would have been white knuckling the wheel for sure if I was in their position. So I can't even imagine how they felt. There you go. That's it. Remember I said I had a dream last night where I was driving and I lost, I lost very vision. Oh my God. Yeah. That's that's definitely what that's from Joe. Golden Bachelor is. Joe's dreaming about Golden Bachelor. Golden Bachelor is now at this point has given me multiple nightmares. It's taking over your subconscious. This is not the first time you've dreamt about this show either. I know. I know. It's really impacting your life.

So, Teresa and Gary, they go on a little diner date. It's got that Harry Met Sally vibe. Very cute. A little cheesy, but they're having fun. And that's like, Like when people, when you see people like really enjoying themselves, it's fun to watch. Yeah, I feel like when you do a really cheesy date and you could tell the people like aren't really into it, it feels just like a little awkward and forced. But they're both kind of cheesy people. Yeah. And you could just tell like, I was like, oh, this is so corny. But like she was smiling so big.

You could just feel the happiness and excitement like radiating off of her of like how special that night was for her. so that kind of made it less corny and more cute yeah they were honestly they seemed to both be having the time of their lives and then after the whole dance and the flash mob gary was so happy and just like trisa would you accept this rose he like gave it to her like you're my girlfriend i know and she was like yes like oh my god it was like kind of a movie moment yeah to be honest yeah i wonder if he picks her oh i think she's definitely going far. Like they have a real connection.

And I do think the conversation of them talking about him losing his wife and her losing her husband. Like you definitely see there's a special connection with the women and Gary who have lost their husbands. We see a lot of that this episode. A lot, which actually got really sad. But like there's something that they're bonded by, right?

They both understand what that feels like. Yeah. Yeah. So let's let's cut to. uh, Franco slash Fabio shoot, you know, Franco or Franco and, and did you ever meet Franco? Have you ever had a date with him? I actually, I don't, no, I don't think so. I don't. Okay. He was my first group date on the show. Really? And we did a wedding dress date and it was very similar to this. I feel like this is like a staple in the bachelor franchise of this date where Franco comes in. Everyone runs,

picks their outfit. Some people don't like their outfits. They're stressing out. And, And then you do the photo shoe. And honestly, it's, it's a good, fun, chill first date. Yeah. So we see, like, so I would say like the bigger, like, so we see Leslie gets upset that Natasha took her outfit. And you see, you, this is like the first time you're starting to see like a little bit of like, all right.

Jealousy and competition. Yes. Yes. No, Leslie was rattled for sure. She was like, I wanted that outfit. I didn't get it. I'm not feeling my outfit. Screwing Natasha.

And Leslie, something I've noticed, and I said this, you were watching it. Her voice, she has such a young voice. When she talks, if I close my eyes and she talks, I feel like I'm listening to a 23-year-old. She has a really young voice. Yeah, right? Yeah, she does for sure. And even just the way she talks, like her diction and stuff, I feel like makes her sound younger than she is. She's giving West Coast.

I don't know where she's from. I don't even think it is West Coast, but that's what she's, she's giving, she's giving West Coast. Do you even know what that means? Do you know what you're saying? I don't know what I'm saying half the time I talk. Her voice is young. It's giving West Coast. Yeah, I don't know what I'm saying. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills. And I get eye rolling from teachers. or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation,

like, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like, go you, go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress,

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her intensity makes perfect sense. It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally, like, I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Joy Harden Bradford. And in session 421 of therapy for black girls, I sit down with Dr. Afea and Billy Shaka

to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health, and the ways we heal. Because I think hair is a complex language system, right? In terms of it can tell how old you are, your marital status, where you're from, you're a spiritual belief. But I think with social media, there's like a hyperfixation and observation of our hair, right? That this is sometimes the first thing someone sees when we make a post. or real, it's how our hair is styled. We talk about the important role hairstylists play in our community,

the pressure to always look put together, and how breaking up with perfection can actually free us. Plus, if you're someone who gets anxious about flying, don't miss session 418 with Dr. Angela Neil Barnett, where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to therapy for black girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay. Another big part of this date was Nancy getting upset, which we have Nancy coming on the podcast, so we don't need to talk about it too much. But it was sad. Like thinking about like the last time you did put on a wedding dress was when you married your husband, you know? So that was that was very sad. I really felt for her. But anything you want to say?

No, I think we could talk to her more about it when she comes on. But it definitely. it made absolute sense like i could totally imagine putting myself in her shoes and like you know we just got married if i lost you and then i was putting back on a wedding dress like i can see why she would be really emotional you yeah yeah that's going to be a rough day for you don't say that why would you say that uh okay and then that day is never going to come just for the record What did Gary whisper in Leslie's ear? What do you think he whisper? I don't know, but like Gary.

Gary's getting dirty, I feel like. I don't think Gary gets dirty. I don't think he's whispering. You think he said something sexual to her? No, I don't. I think he said something maybe a little flirty. I mean, he started the convo, but basically talking about how sexy he thought she was.

And he's been, I've noticed his body language. His body language, he's been leaning in for a lot of, a lot of makeouts. Oh yeah. He's getting a lot more comfortable now, which is great. I also thought that the way Leslie set up the like, if you want to whisper sweet nothings into my ear, I can hear you and like showed off her hearing aids.

Yeah. I feel like that was so cute. I'm actually surprised that was never used in like a teaser or anything because I feel like that whole moment really screamed like Golden Bachelor. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like they both have hearing aids and like let's make out and like bonding over the aging process together but still feeling like young and in love.

So then Joan goes, so then he goes and talks to Joan and Joan kind of has the same. Okay, wait, but not on the group date. Not on the group date. So now we're on the next day. Yeah, next night. Nancy gets the ends up getting the group date rose. Yes, she does, which that's what I expected. And I think she kind of, I think that was the right decision, you know, giving her that additional reassurance.

Yeah. And then we're moving on to the next day. We've got a birthday party for Gary. Yeah, Susan popping out of the cake. I love Susan so much Oh my gosh Susan's my favorite Nancy it's a battle between Nancy and Susan

Well they're different Like Nancy is like the one you're like Oh like I hope Gary ends up with her Susan you're like I don't know if you're gonna end up with Gary But I just want to watch you do funny shit all the time I want to try Susan's cooking Oh because she talked about chicken becante Yeah and pepper sausage and peppers

I want to see what she's Italian Yeah I mean Or she just likes Italian cooking Breaking down that meal she's Italian Yeah that's true She's Italian for sure. You should send her some of your Sundays with Joe sauce. I should.

You really should. I should. And then a move out of left field, in my opinion, was Gary, not even her birthday, just goes and gives Ellen a gift. Do you remember that? I do remember that. And you know what it was giving? It was giving charity, bringing Dotten to, like, private locations every single group date. Gary being like, I'm just going to.

to give you a beautiful frame photo of the two of us. I was like, whoa. Alan is. Ellen's dotting. You know how the first. Ellen's the dotting of the season. At least right now she is. But you know how in the first episode we were like, we love faith and Gary also loves faith. We love Ellen. Gary loves Ellen. Gary loves Ellen. Gary's in love with a few women right now. Ellen's great too. I love Ellen. Like I'm so excited for her one-on-one-one day to get to watch her more. Well, you don't know if she's going to get one. She is going to get one. I know in my heart. And she just has the shiniest hair. Yeah. Yeah. And she's, yeah, she's 70. I think she's 71. Insane. Yeah. I can't wait to have her. Hopefully she comes on the podcast. She looks great. And then,

yeah, I mentioned before Joan had the grab Gary and had kind of, he went into her bedroom. And she's kind of has the same story, losing her husband, her husband. Semi recently, only two years ago. Yeah, two years ago. That was what it was. That's stuck with me. She also has great hair. But yeah, a lot of, um, conversations this episode about the loss of spouses which is obviously very real and their stories and something that you know you go through more likely as you get older but really sad listen this show is fun

there's a lot of joy in it but it's fucking sad I was like by the time we got to you know we had Teresa that we had Nancy by the time we got to Joan I was like oh my gosh like my heart it's so sad But it's also hopeful, like maybe they'll find love again here with Gary. And then it really, it hurts seeing all these women leave. Oh my God. Really, really hurts.

And we have three that go home this episode, Peggy. Who didn't even get a date this week actually. Peggy also, yeah, we don't see much of Peggy. Natasha, who we see a little in this episode. Yeah, she's beautiful. She has such a vibrant personality. but I don't really see her with Gary. She's, Natasha is gonna be fine.

Natasha is still like, she's going out. Oh my God, yeah. Yeah. Her personality is so big. Like she's great. Yes. She has a very, very youthful personality. Like she's a young spirit and a very just like vibrant, warm personality.

I like her. If there was a Bachelor of Golden Paradise, I think she would be so good on it. You think they'll do that? I hope so. But I think maybe not this year, maybe one day. And then we saw Jeannie go home as well. Yeah, she was sad too. I think she, it seemed that she really looks like someone.

She looks like an actress and I kept my finger on it. Very like 70s vibe. I don't know. I don't know, but I can't. Do you agree? Like there's someone she looks like. I can't take my brain there and do this podcast at the same time. Okay, maybe later.

But I will figure that out. Something we did see during the row ceremony because Faith didn't. get a date that week she got the first impression rose but she wasn't on the group date um is she's definitely struggling with some major insecurities um at the row ceremony feeling like she might be going home and i kind of just want to shake her and be like faith like you're it's okay you're good but i totally understand how she can get in her head yeah and i feel like she was even feeling those insecurities night one of like comparing yourself to the other women and it's like think about like a lot of these women have taken years and years off of even dating. And when you compare it to the

Bachelorette or Bachelor, most people that go on the show, they're obviously single, but they're most likely actively dating. So they kind of get it, especially in today's day and age, like you get that you go on dates and like you're on dating apps and people are talking to multiple people where, you know, these women step into the situation, they haven't dated in so long. long and then it's like whoa what's happening he likes someone else too like yeah that's not me not you know that's true that's true like I feel like the structure of dating has changed so much and like for my friends at least like a lot of the time they're dating multiple guys at the same time trying to figure out who they like best before they like settle down and like who knows if that was

kind of what these were you're slow down your friends might be listening to this like you just fucking out at me no out the ball they want I'm sure the guys they're dating or dating multiple girls. That's just how dating kind of works these days. No, I know. I know. I know. I know. It's like the preparation these women have to date someone who is dating multiple women and potentially going to fall in love of multiple women is like zero. Yeah. You know? Yeah. 100%. Okay. So that wraps that episode. Can't wait to see three. And we are looking forward so forward to having Nancy on the podcast. I can't wait to talk to her. Let's get into Bachelor of paradise. Let's do it. I feel like there was... My first note is Will loves Kylie.

My first note is Will is obsessed with Kylie. Olivia is pissed. Yeah. Um, I feel like this episode we got to indurate a little more action than we did in the first one. Like, I feel like the first one we really focused on that love triangle, which obviously was a big story. But this one, we got to see a little more of like Cat and Braden, Rachel and Ken, like a few of the other relationships. Yeah. And I like that. It just kind of, you know, made it feel a little more dynamic of an episode. Yeah, for sure.

So, like the beginning we see Avin. Avin comes in. You know, Kylie wants to go on the date. We're not sure if he's going to ask her, but he ends up asking her. One thing that I noted was where was Rachel when Avin came down? Yeah. I thought for sure we would get to see some sort of like conversation with Avan and Rachel. I mean, they acknowledge that like weird ending to their.

relationship um jesse did before i even went down i believe yeah so i thought for sure we were going to get some sort of like convo between them but maybe there wasn't one or maybe it happened and it just kind of wasn't really anything we needed to see yeah or maybe they i'm assuming they hashed it out before they came to the beach yeah potentially so that or maybe next week we'll see them interact and it's just kind of been like a slow build yeah um okay so even ends up asking khy on the date. We see the date. They go on a boat on the back. I will say I felt a little bad for Olivia here because two days in a row now she's liked a guy and they've picked Kylie. And that's got to suck. I feel bad for Olivia a little too in that sense. But also she's really pushing this like

karma like I need to get even like. Yeah, she's being a little nasty about it. It's not it's just like it. You for her for her sake it's like you like move the fuck on like he this guy you and this guy kissed in the first two hours of paradise like if you want this process to work you have to focus on yourself and stop worrying about Kylie getting screwed over yes you know and that that's that's where I have that's my issue with Olivia's you think that like all of her actions now are kind of based around like revenge for Kylie and you kind of want to be like Olivia just like mind your business and like focus on your story exactly yeah and try to find try to meet someone else and try to find the connection.

But I do feel for her because she obviously she wants to go out with Avin, but Avin doesn't ask her. We see those two on a boat. What did you think of the date? It's just kind of like, it just seems like, yeah, they like each other. They both seem to be waiting for each other. Yeah. I don't know.

There wasn't as much of like a big spark between them as I thought. Like they seem committed to each other. They seem into each other. But, like, I didn't get that, like, fun, exciting, like, romantic boat day that I thought I was going to. I think they might have been nervous. I think she was nervous. Yeah. And also, I don't know.

Like, they said they didn't talk prior. And I actually believe Kylie when she says that. But maybe it's just because, like, they were waiting. Like, she was waiting to see him. And they, like, really hyped it up in their minds. And I feel like you see more of the spark when it's two people that weren't gunning for each other. Right. There's this like, oh, like excitement of, oh my gosh, like I just met someone that I wasn't expecting to meet. Exactly. And like had this connection with them. And then back at the beach, Aaron B is now talking to Eliza.

Mm-hmm. He was the day before talking to Mercedes and he tells Eliza, I kissed Mercedes yesterday. Mm-hmm. Eliza freaks out which in her case rightfully so she did have a rough go yeah I feel like I'm the first to be like okay that's a little dramatic but this one was not

she was not like if you didn't watch last season of Paradise we're here to vouch for Eliza we watched the whole season we were there for the live reunion of Paradise she had a very hard time. And she made some bad choices. But she also like

it was a lot. It was really emotional. A lot of intense emotions on all three of the Love Triangle's parts, Eliza, Rodney, and Justin. So like I am like my heart is going out to her watching this and seeing how emotional she is, finding out that

she might be a part of another love triangle. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. And then we have Rachel is, Rachel's the narrator of Paradise. She's doing a great job narrating the show. I actually think she's doing a great job. Okay, wait, can we go back to the Aaron B. Eliza

stuff and talk about it a little more though? Yeah, yeah. Because Eliza starts crying to Aaron basically and is just say, like, she's panicking. She's fully panicking. Like, oh my God, I'm in a love triangle again. Also, Aaron B in his defense really hasn't done anything wrong. Like him,

he told her. I would say most people in his situation, have waited to get called out for that? Maybe, yes, but like, I will say Eliza, and I wrote this down, kept saying, like, you know, you didn't have to tell me that you kissed Mercedes last night, but, like, you did and that means something. No, he didn't have to tell you, but, like, he should.

He would be stupid to not tell you, and he should tell you. It would be really rude if he didn't. A bunch of people on the speech know, Mercedes knows, the girls know, some of the guys know. like if he was like just withholding that information from her I'd be like dude what are you doing like it's kind of just rude and it's also honestly I said he didn't do anything to find out from someone else and I said he didn't do anything wrong but I mean he is kind of screwing over Mercedes if they did if they were basically hanging out the day before the whole day and then he just jumps ship without having that conversation with her like if I if I put myself in that situation and I'm talking to Mercedes the entire day before and we end the up kissing. And then the next day I want to explore something with Eliza, I'm going to have that conversation. I think what might have happened, though, just to look at it from a different perspective, is maybe he had a good night with Mercedes, but we still had curiosity about Eliza and just kind of wanted to chat, see where it went. And there might have been no

connection there. You know what I mean? And then he would have maybe continued to explore things with Mercedes. And I think it looked like as the day went on, he kind of decided, I'm more into Eliza, and that's why he told her I kissed Mercedes last night. Yeah, sure, but he, but as that connection's happening, maybe grab Mercedes and be like, hey, just so you know, I'm also exploring other things on this beach. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they have the whole day. There's nothing.

We've been there. There's nothing to do. Yeah. You could have that conversation. That's true. I think once he realized, like, oh, I'm really into Eliza. It might have been good to just be like, just to be clear here, like, I'm exploring my options. You should explore your options and maybe we like touch base at the end of the night on

if we want to continue this or not. Like, I don't know. It's such a weird dynamic. But, um, it is hard. Okay. He said something. He was like seeing Eliza's tears on her face. I realize how connected she feels to me.

Yeah. I wanted to be like, Aaron, man, she's not crying over her love for you. That was funny. She's crying for her past trauma. I think you're misunderstanding the point of the combo. But I like them together as a couple. I'm excited to see where their relationship goes. Yeah, me too.

Very good looking couple. They seem to get along. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy, which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it,

if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say, like, go you, go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress, seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just, like, walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier.

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They are cute together. Like them. Very likable. and Blake, we're not seeing a ton of them. They seem pretty chill, just like mellow, slowly seeing where things go, which is a great way to take Paradise. Yeah. What?

It is. I mean, that's kind of how we did it, but you do then have to, you eventually have to make up your mind. Totally. But I mean, it's day two. They haven't even had a roast ceremony yet, you know? True. Let's jump to, so Hannah Brown comes down.

So Hannah Brown. maybe the most popular bachelorette the show's had ever potentially uh yeah i mean she's up there for sure she comes down now yeah this this was a little strange because she's in a committed relationship now she's engaged but i guess if you don't follow her you may not know i have some thoughts on this first of all there's a definitely people down there who don't know if she's single or not Like, genuinely have no idea if this girl's in a relationship or she's single. There's people down there that after a while, I think, started to convince themselves that maybe she was single, like newly single. Yeah. But, like, we've got Jess and Kat who are doing interviews who clearly know who she is, who clearly have watched the show and our fans of Hannah Brown.

They've got to know she's got a boyfriend, right? Do you think they just got paranoid and started to be like, oh, shoot, maybe they're not together anymore? Yeah, because think about how long time. feels when you're in paradise and then like you know we fly out there you're you're you're waiting for however many days to go down to the beach you're not we don't have our phone so you're not connected who knows if they've you know a month you know if they even looked at Hannah Brown social for a few months so yeah they really might be like well I thought she was yeah maybe they broke up a few months ago and I missed it and now she's here to date that's true I think that the reaction

from the contestants you can kind of justify, but it's not going to resonate with the viewers as much. At least it didn't really resonate with us because in real time, we know that Hannah Brown is engaged living in Nashville with her fiance. So it was kind of hard to be like, what is she doing here? Like obviously we all know she's not here to date. So it like went on kind of long when we already know what the outcome was going to be, which, you know, she's there with the date card. She's obviously not using it. She's going to give it to someone else. It's just a matter of who. For sure. For sure. And then she does which I love this and I was I was jealous of this because this seemed like a fun date to host she does the bonfire with the burning questions the my biggest note is just like lie like you guys don't have to you guys don't have to answer all these questions we just need like a politician to come on this show like when Hannah Brown asked Kat like is there anyone you're you know interested in seeing and she's been making it with Brayden for two days.

straight. You don't have to name two other names, Kat. You can just say, you know what? There was some people I was interested in seeing. I'm really enjoying my time with Brayden right now and excited to see where that goes, but it's still new. And, you know, we're both still open. So we'll see what happened. Done. Yeah. Instead, she named two dudes that she wants to meet. When she asked, she's like, I can't believe she asked me this question. I guess I got to answer. And then you see Hannah Brown who's like, oh my God, they were just going to answer everything I ask him. Okay, let's go. She was so good. Like shout it to Hannah and we are excited to have her on this podcast to talk about it more.

She did such a good job with the truth circle. Like she just got so much. I don't know if it's like her demeanor that was doing it either. Like I feel like they were just like, I guess I have to tell her. Like she must have like that like, do you know what I'm talking about? Like just a personality that people want to open up to. Yeah. Her persona like she's just, she's and a lot of the girls down there.

And I'm sure some of the guys are fans of her. So, and they're kind of like, well, if it's Hannah Brown asking, I got to answer. I can't lie to Hannah. I can't lie to her. It was craziness. But I really liked it. And honestly, like, it just makes for more interesting TV when they do answer, honestly. It kind of gives us an idea of, like, who might be coming down when they do if that's going to kind of stir up certain relationships.

Like, it's a little bit of foreshadowing for the viewers. And, like, it gives insight into how strong certain relationships are. also can we talk about hot Sean being like oh I'm interested in Jess I was like Sean she's like locked in with Blake and you've been hanging with Rachel for two days he's still shooting his shot he's hot shot is always shot hot shot jumped out of the daybed to go introduce himself to Hannah Brown like he will never stop shooting his shot I like I like he's actually done a good job of narrating too him and Rachel are really narrating the show and I don't think it's that serious between them from the conversation we see they're both open to exploring other things So, like, it's kind of a fun dynamic duo. I agree. I agree.

And I would say that the last, well, I guess there's two more parts. We'll touch a little bit on Will and is now kind of talking to Mercedes. And really, he like breaks down when she tells him, like, she's interested in him. Will's having a rough goal right now in Paradise. Will is quite tired and hot and emotional. Yeah. And of just a sensitive soul. He just is a sensitive soul.

Yeah. He's a very sweet guy. I was actually a little surprised Mercedes went for Will because Kylie and her are like best friends. Yeah, but Kylie doesn't care. And Mercedes needs a rose. The men have have a rose. That's true. And also like Kylie and Mercedes are different but like have similarities.

Like they're best friends. They always have things in common. So maybe Kylie was like, look like I didn't feel it with him. But like if he was into me, I think you guys could have a connection. And if you're interested, like go for it. I think that's definitely what happened. Yeah. And then we have a little bit of drama, which was fun to watch.

Oh, yeah, that was great. Erin has really stepped up as the Shining Star of this episode. Yeah, I really enjoyed that. I really enjoyed that at the end. He was such a hothead on The Bachelorette. I couldn't really, like, get behind him. It didn't really resonate with me. But in Paradise, I was like, oh, my God, where's this guy been?

I'm so excited to watch more of him. This is so entertaining. It was great because, so Pete, Pete, the night one pilot, grabbed the girl that Aaron S is talking about. Sam. Sam. Sam. Yeah. Samantha. So Pete grabs Samantha. Basically, like, shoots his shot, but also tries to take down Aaron S at the same time.

He's like, always a shitty move. Yes. If you're going to shoot your shot with someone, don't use the technique of like putting down the person that they're already kind of talking to as a way of like building yourself up. like there's nothing worse than building yourself up by putting someone else down and like he kept talking about how like mature Sam is if she's not mature dude she's gonna see through this yeah and like she's probably like I'm capable of deciding if someone's mature and I don't need you like telling me in a backhanded weird ass way that the guy I'm into is immature like that's immature Pete reminds me so much of Aaron Clancy no no no no Pete reminds me of White Lotus season one oh yes wait who did I say oh no no no I said um Aaron Ryan S reminds me of Aaron Clancy. Aaron S was great because he got wind of it and called Pete out right away, which is the right move and also makes for great TV. Also, like, just the way he confronted him was so spicy. I was like, I was like, these guys, they're going to, like, he's going to fight him.

He was like, I'll do this in front of the girl and embarrass you right here right now. Or you can step aside and talk to me. I was like, whoa, let's go. This is fun. Yeah, so I think that basically, that wraps both, both shows. Yeah. We had the rose ceremony. We saw Brooklyn, Cat, and Greer go home. And we hear Greer's exit. And she's the only one we heard. And it was sad. I actually felt for her. Yeah. Exit interviews don't always hit me in my fields. But hers really got me. Like I just think that she really wanted to find someone when she came down there and still really wants to find someone. And I hope she does. She was someone that I actually thought had a good chance of finding love in Paradise. think her dude just wasn't on the beach like the person she's meant to be with yeah you know like

there was no one I saw her with down there I agree but I think if she were to come back maybe for another season she can maybe find someone she'll definitely find love you think she comes back I can see her coming back I don't know maybe if she's still single it's hard it is it is um yeah I would hate to go home the the first day in paradise because it is different from bachelor and bachelor rep because there are, you know there's more people coming down. That's the thing. It's like if you go home night one on The Bachelor, it's like, oh, this just wasn't my person. Exactly.

If you go home night one on Paradise, you've got to always wonder like, well, what if next week someone came down or the week after someone came down? That would have been into me. That would have been into me. Yeah. Yeah, maybe they, they would have been into. Yeah, I guess there's just, there's just no way around that people have to go home. People have to go home.

That's the premise of the show. And then who did, who did Pete give his roast? too. Olivia. And that's how Olivia is still there. Yes. I don't think there's really a connection between the two of that. Do we think Olivia is going to find someone? I don't know. It's hard. Like I think that she has kind of been sucked into a bad mentality because of what happened to her on the first day. And she doesn't really seem to have snapped out of that yet. So I think that that could potentially negatively impact her ability to find a relationship. But at the same time, you have to remember like girls are coming down next week she's got two well no no guys are no girls are guys came

down this week even came down and then no but okay yeah because think about it right women now have the roses oh you're right so guys are do come down guys are going to come down so she's got two weeks to figure it out okay so maybe next week someone will come down that she really hits it off with yeah which would be great i think so we'll see all right i'm excited i'm excited to see um but yeah that should that should wrap both episodes and we're very excited we're going to have like we said we have nancy and we're getting hannah brown on and i can't wait for hannah to really break down what went down in that me too i want to know if there was anything she asked or anything juicy said that didn't get shown yeah me too i'm excited or like any like weird tension she sensed on the beach same um okay you guys uh

that's it for for this episode make sure you subscribe to bet your happy hour and stay tuned later this week because we will be dropping both interviews Hannah Brown and Nancy. Yeah, we're so excited. Be sure to tune in to that Golden Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise every Thursday. Be sure to tune into Bachelor Happy Hour and we will talk to you soon. Bye. Bye. Hi, it's Gemma's Beg, host of the Psychology of Your 20s. This September at the Psychology of your 20s, we're breaking down the very interesting way. psychology applies to real life, like why we crave external validation. I find it so interesting that we are so quick to believe others' judgments of us and not our

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