Bachelor Happy Hour - EXCLUSIVE: A Special Moment with Rachel

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Rachel discusses her journey this season on “The Bachelor.” We kick off today’s episode by diving into the depths of her relationship with Joey, from their first dance on the wedding group date to their final moments together. Plus, a few things we didn’t see! We also get into all things “Women Tell All," including Rachel’s take on all the drama, her first time seeing Joey again, and the online hate she’s had to endure, leading to an emotional moment Rachel and Serena share as they bond over battling hate as women of color. Tune in now to hear it all and be sure to follow!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Rachel, welcome. Hey, guys. Thank you. Thank you. I'm so excited. Of course. We're so excited too. Welcome to Happy Hour.

I heard, is this true that you didn't wear any makeup on the show? Like very seldom I think I wore only at row ceremonies Oh my God And did you just wait You wore your hair natural the whole time I did But like night one I had my hair natural

It was curly I wore it down I think a couple other times I wore it down And I think as a show progressed I probably got lazy And I was like I'm just gonna bun it Yeah Because I sleeped it back Because it was just easy

Like curls you just it's just such a hassle Curls they also just like You never know what you're gonna get A few hours later You know what I mean like I get it like the weather they're temperamental

so I'm with you on that I will say I will say Rachel Serena definitely was she was talking shit because she heard you didn't wear makeup but she's like

she's definitely got makeup on right now yeah I did I just didn't I was like there's no one but then I was honestly looking at your face

the whole season I was like I actually think that those are just her natural lips and eyelashes they are you bet she are

well I mean at our ceremonies I had like I only wore concealer and blush and mascara I don't know what I don't need to make up. I was not watching the girls get ready.

I was like, how are you doing? You literally must be, I mean, Paradise is one thing. Like, it's so hot. You don't wear a lot of makeup. No, I don't wear a lot of makeup. And I didn't wear a lot of makeup on the show. And I honestly stopped wearing makeup on Paradise. I got so freaking tired of doing it.

But on the bachelor. It should be great for your makeup ads right now. Well, I mean, I like makeup, but I like, I'm like a light natural makeup girly on a day to day. But on the show, I was definitely doing like a full face. you know, contour, liner, the works. I don't even know how to do that. You don't need it. You do not need it.

You look beautiful. You're good. Thank you. Okay, so let's talk. You live in California, right? I do, so in California. Yeah. And how did you get on the show?

So, I've never seen the show. I actually didn't know who Joey was at all. It's my best friend, who's also my roommate. She watches the show. Like, she was up on Monday. bachelor monday i was like you have fun with that girl i'm gonna go read my book and i remember i was laying in bed and she sent me a video she's like you're never gonna believe that joey grazia day is a bachelor i said who she's like don't worry he's amazing he's like i'm gonna nominate you you're gonna

do it and i was like they'll never pick me because i'm like such a i feel like i'm not like the most aesthetic type of girl i kind of just i'm out of the box like the behind-the-scenes type of person and then I got picked and the rest is history, I guess. That's amazing. Shout out to the Rumi. Shout out to Noelle. That's my girl. I'm a great girl.

I've been best friends for like 13 years. Oh, my God. Okay, you say you'd never watch the show. Then once she nominates you and you get chosen, did you like go and like watch a few episodes to kind of prep? I did see, sorry, Joey, I did see him about to go on one knee. She showed me that clip because she was like, you have to kind of know the history behind why.

he is who he is and so I saw that and I was just like okay so like so I'm going to date this guy with everybody else I was like okay and that's kind of he tried to prepare me but I think I was so caught up with it was such a quick process like everything was boom I don't think I absorbed what she was telling me so when I got to like the mansion I was kind of what's the first impression rose what is a group date rose I know what any of these things were so gotcha well it's so interesting the different scale of people that go on this show and like how much and how little. Like, I feel like you didn't know a lot,

but you had a best friend who was kind of like giving you the gist, like the vibe, the breakdown. She obviously is a fan. She's not going to nominate you if she doesn't think like you can handle it. And then I feel like who was it that autumn? I feel like autumn is like a super fan. I feel like she literally was having the time of her life. She was living her dream.

Am I right? I love her. Yeah. She was always. She was having the best time. I was like, I feel like this girl's watched the show her whole life. And then you've got like Doughton who was on a past season.

He's the one who ended up with charity, which is, yeah. Halfway through. Did I know there was an engagement? Yeah, halfway through. He was like, oh, we get engaged here? Yeah. He was like, yeah, sure, I'm down. Like, love this girl.

Let's do it. But that he's an exception. Like, that is like usually it doesn't go that way. Yeah. That's kind of crazy. I think you should know that before you go. Yeah. Well, how, where was your headspace going on to the show?

Joe, thinking that you could potentially get engaged at the end? I mean, I've been in a relationship where I was almost engaged once, so I'm like a love but grow at heart. I love to be in love. So the idea of coming on to the show and meeting Joey and him and I fall in for each other, I thought it could be the best thing ever, also the worst thing. And so my mindset was just why not it could end up how it should. And honestly, it did in the most beautiful way despite the outcome.

are you are you typically a person that will take a big risk i do i'm uh i'm kind of a full send type of person like i think before i jump but i'm also like let's just jump no matter what the outcome um it's probably a toxic trait of mind to be honest but yeah and then you break your jaw i mean jumping in my recent experience has not been the best but um how high was do you know how high it was okay i feel like when you watch it doesn't look that high high, but I'm also terrified of heights. So I want to say I could be wrong. It has to be more than 20 feet.

I want to say. Yeah, I would think that sounds like a lot, but it was kind of a lot. Yeah. No, that does sound like, honestly, my sister called me. I was like, Serena, you 10 meters, it's not 10 meters. Like, there's no way. And I was like, yeah, I guess you're right. Is that what you said it was?

I was like, I feel like it's probably like 10 meters. But like I also feel like when you're looking at it, you're right, it doesn't look as tall as it probably was yeah and it's like damn yeah and then back home i was telling them like when i jump off rocks back home in hawaii the water's always moving so like if you jump in it's just like whatever it's fashion but this water was so still and i think i just i clocked my head just in the wrong way and it felt like i hit concrete and it felt like it was water so that's kind of what happened and how long how long did you live in hawaii before coming to california so i was born and raised in Hawaii. So I left home when I was 18, my poor parents. I was like, bye guys. I'm going to go take

off. And yeah, I've always been just like a nomad in my family. I like the idea of kind of branching out and figuring out things on my own. So I moved to California when I was 18. And then I moved to Maine for two years. Never again. Random. Not for you. No. It was too cold. I had a lot of hard experiences there I had a really tough relationship I had you know just I looked very different than most of the people who lived there so I had a hard time kind of fitting in

and then I moved to Washington State and I went back in California is the end game or do not know do you want to end up in Hawaii or are you kind of just down to go wherever the world takes you? I would love to settle down in Hawaii I love the culture of how I was raised

there's just like a very different upbringing back there than it is in the mainland and I know it's kind of hard for people like when I date their ho-a-so expensive and it's secluded but I want the best of both worlds I've always wanted to have family there but also be able to travel back and forth which is why I do travel nursing because I can go home into the mainland whenever but I'm also open to whatever it feels right in the moment when I settle down if you're if you're from there and you live there is it is it that expensive or is it more traveling to Hawaii is expensive. It's expensive. I mean a gallon of milk is like eight bucks.

That's what I've heard. Yeah. So that is true, huh? So it's pretty true. I mean, even living, I was looking at a one bedroom and it was like 800 grand for like a one bedroom. And I was like, I can't. I live. I can't afford that. Oh my God. I mean, New York ain't cheap either. But that's what I was going to say. I was like, you guys live in New York. Well, you could still get cheap milk though. Like groceries and stuff is that's the all. portable like property isn't um so let's talk about your job so how did you get so you're you're in trauma nursing um so i'm i see you trained um but as a child nurse i kind of pop around to different um units so like i can work in the er i can do i see i can do telemetry um but trauma

is like kind of my home it's where i feel the most comfortable i guess it's kind of a word to say because you see some crazy stuff yeah yeah i was going to say is there do you want to tell us Why you feel that way? Well, so my dad works in trauma back home. Okay. I kind of always grew up. He would just tell me stories, and he noticed that I would handle the stories well. I would see pictures, and it never phased me.

I always kept it very calm and cool and collected in very high stress situations. So when I was in nursing school, I was kind of figuring out where to go, and I noticed that I see was where you need to really be level-headed and kind of always relax. You know, although I don't think things through, I think things through a nursing. So, yeah. If Rachel is your nurse, guys, don't worry. She thinks things through.

She's like, I can't jump off of something and I can break my, but I will help you if it is you next time. Okay? And I'm Filipino. Every Filipino is a nurse. So that's kind of the stereotype that I live. But yeah, I see it was amazing. It's, you know, it's very traumatizing.

You see a lot of things. I worked during COVID. It was a very, very hard time because it was just so much, like, sadness literally every day and you take it on as yourself. But I found a way to cope. And I think that's why it fit me the best. Nice. Yeah, I feel like that was something we saw. You kind of talked to Joey about and what it's like to be a nurse. I know we've kind of had some other conversations with Zach and Katie because she also is a travel nurse. I believe she worked through COVID as well. So there's kind of that extra layer of like what you bring home from your

job at the end of the day and what it's like to be in a relationship with someone in that field. you also work a lot of hours, right? Like your shifts are usually like, what are they like 12 hours sometimes? Yeah, so 7 a.m. and I come home at like 8 p.m. Usually it's quite a lot, yeah. Do you think that's fine? Yeah.

Well, I mean, if you're busy, I'm sure it's like you're really in it. Yeah. Do you think that's kind of what you see yourself doing long term? I want to say yes, but I'm starting to notice with time that there's, I have more passions that I really want to pursue. Like, I love public. speaking and I love kind of speaking on behalf of others and I'm trying to find a way to do that with also using nursing as my background because nursing is a part of you advocate for your patients,

you know, all the time. And, you know, through personal experiences that I've gone through, I've been able to relate to patients, like female patients, I've been able to really come to me and feel safe with me because we've shared similar experiences. So I'd love to see in the realm of nursing, but if doors open up, I'm always open to, whatever. That's amazing. I think that's so great. know that we talked with Lexi about just being a woman and what that entails, like, going into the medical field and, like, the information and knowledge that there is on women versus men and just what it means to, like, advocate for yourself as a patient in that space. I feel like people would, like, love to hear from your perspective on that.

Absolutely. And, I mean, being a woman also in a woman dominated career, it's so crazy to say, but we're still so much work to do to like build up women in nursing in the medical field so I mean yeah I'd love to be a voice for that as a lot some point you never know nice all right let's time to bring up your axe yeah time to bring up well Joey the one that will go with that one first yeah he's a good he's a good one he's a good one so you see you step out of the limel you see joey for the first time is there is there a spark you feel that connection I I, from on my side, on your end, yeah.

Yeah, on my end, I don't know if there was because I was just so in awe what was happening because he was there in the flesh. And all I was telling myself was just give the lay and walk away. Give it, walk away. But my first impression, obviously, is that he was so handsome. He had such a good energy about him. Like his aura was just very calming. But a spark, I don't know.

I think I was just assuming I was going to go home, my wife. Really? Oh, 100%. I went in the mansion. I went to the producers and I was like, I'm going home, guys. It was so nice to meet you. A bag's packed. No.

You're crazy. Watching it, we did not think that. Yeah, you don't. Yeah, I was like you're going to be there for a while. I was convinced. I told all the girls, and I was like, it was so nice to meet you guys. I'm going to drink. Did you get a chance to talk to him, night one?

No, no. Oh, you didn't. That's also why. I think I was. Oh, well, that makes more sense, why you thought you might be going home. So I didn't get a chance to talk to him. night one. So all these women are going and going and going as a night's going on.

I was like, oh, yeah, I'm for sure going home. I don't think the lay was enough to keep me to get a rose. So that's where my head was at. So why do you think you got a rose? I guess that lay really did its job. I was putting a lot of the power on this lane. And I was like, this is it. I'm sure there was a nice aspect of like familiarity too, right,

with him being from Hawaii and you being from Hawaii. Well, that's why. He's not from Hawaii. He lived there. He lived there. He's a transplant. He is a transplant. Yeah. He gives that vibe.

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but that's what was a huge, huge part of like our friendship and our relationship building forward. And then we don't see you get a one-on-one date until a little later in the season. So kind of what was that journey like for your relationship and your connection? When we see the, not to cut you off, but we see the wedding, the wedding dress date where that's kind of like the first time. I feel that was the first time where you were like, okay, this is someone he's into. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think watching it back now. I see that, but in the moment, I really didn't think much of it. Oh, really? No, because I was, I'm kind of goofy and I'm like awkward and it was our first time talking. And of course, it's a first dance. Like way to just, you know, jump right ahead. But I guess you can tell there was definitely a spark after that date because we do have a lot in common and we just understood each other very well. But it was a very interesting group date to be, you know, but Michael Bolton was there.

it was all good. Yeah, that was crazy. Why was it such an interesting group date? Tell us, Rachel, tell us. For me, I think it was so interesting that we all had to watch every girl walk around with him and see how they connected. So I was kind of in my head because I was one of the girls on that group date that didn't talk to him night one. So I almost felt just behind. Like I didn't know much of him and girls already spoke to him the night before. you know, I can share a little kissy or whatever it was. But once, you know, we had our chance to walk around, I can show my personality. I think we both kind of fell into each other.

That's such a good point. Yeah, because a lot of girls on that date had already kissed him night one. And like there was like some stronger personalities on that date. They're also like parading it around like the one on one time. That would be a challenging like structure for, especially for a first group date. Yes. Yes, but, and my, this was back to what we talked about when I first got on here, too, was when they announced a group date, all these girls were ready in glam, right? They had their makeup and hair done.

And I went, I think I was talking to other girls, I was like, I really don't want to go on this date because I just don't look apart. They're like, oh, no, you're fine. I was like, okay, whatever, just threw on a dress. But it was honestly the best time. I had the best time. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like that, that first group date. I've never been on one but I like that that has to be like the first like that's like your your first moment of like oh this is kind of how this is going to work this is reality TV this is weird as fuck but then like the second half of that date you start leaning in and you're like okay now I could kind of be myself I'm starting to like get more comfortable I guess right exactly yeah exactly yeah but I mean group dates are they're not meant to be I guess they're kind of

meant to be awkward in a way, I think I would say. Yeah, it's very hard to make them ever feel comfortable. Yeah. Okay, so that first group date is kind of like that first spark with Joey. It's the first time you're talking to him, first time you're having a conversation. Where does the relationship go from there? Yeah, I think that was honestly, that first dance was everything we kind of needed to actually have a moment together.

And for me, I can say when we dance, I totally forgot that there was everybody else around, which was also proven to that kiss because I kind of forgot that the girls were watching. I was like, I'm just going to scoge in here. And then we had a great conversation that night as well at the cocktail party. And from then on, I just felt more comfortable with him every time I saw him. And I started to slowly, slowly open up. And he, as well, to me, and that's kind of what we needed was just a quick little thrust to kind of get our relationship started. Yeah. Go ahead. So I was going to say, as your relationship is now growing, our Are you yet, like, comparing it to other relationships he's having?

Or are you kind of just solely focused on what's going on between you two? No, I was solely focused. I used to make a joke with the girls. And I was like, oh, guys, are you guys having fun talking to my husband? Like, you know, just letting you guys share, share the man today. But I think in my past relationships, they used to always compare, you know, what I was doing with my wife at the time to, like, my friend's relationships. And that always caused more hurt for myself in the end. So going into this, I was really focused on what's meant to be is meant to be.

And all I can do is be myself and, you know, put my best foot forward. And if it's not me at the end of the day, I'm really okay with it because, you know, something great will come out of this. I love that. I also love to hear you say that as you were opening up more, he was opening up more. I feel like they kind of did Joey a disservice and like never showed him opening up to anyone really until like this point in the season. And, like, you're seeing so many of the women open up and having these serious conversation. So it's nice to hear that he was also, like, giving that back to you guys. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Just, like, give Joey a little shout out here. Exactly, because, you know, he's taking on all of our stories and, like, listening to us. So I definitely always, like, wanted to check up on him and give him the chance to just relax and breathe. And, yeah, he shared some things that I loved that, obviously, not everything's going to be shown because there's just so much going on. but I had the live you know the live footage with him you know I had the best time with him

and him opening up allowed me to feel safe with him as well that's amazing is there anything that wasn't shown between you two that you want to share I mean I I know for a fact that Joey and I did have a great

strong connection we had a beautiful relationship I do wish more of our moments could have been shared shared with people but I think and everything you see is kind of what you what you get um and joey and i know how wrong true our relationship was at the end of the day that's all that really matters to me how does it make you feel

um i feel like there's been a lot of comments that you guys are like friends first how does that make you feel saying that i mean best relationships at office friends right so i don't see that i don't think that's an issue i think people are trying to find any reason to kind of downplay my experience with Joey. And I'm kind of trying to ignore that because I was the one who was there. I spoke with him. I spent all that time with him. And even if it's just a friendship that came out of it, it's still something so beautiful and to be proud of. I don't think that's an issue at all. Yeah. It's like you also, you also are the third girl. So it's like it wasn't like he really, really liked you. So like there is a reason. You really like me platonically to keep me to top three.

But there's a reason that you made it that far And it's not just because he wanted to Have a bear with you at a bar And then fucking slap your high five and see you later I'm not the high five I mean I think towards the end He and I definitely knew that that's as far as our relationship Was going to go

Yeah and I know I've said this before And I've said it to him I think my favorite memory is he and I parting ways because you can't force anything. And we both gave it our all. And I know we're both so proud that we both care by each other

and respect each other. So yeah, I keep saying we're friends. I'm so glad I have to be, I can be friends with my ex. That's like a beautiful, beautiful thing. Yeah. Did you see it coming then? Because we obviously saw you getting sent home

at the Women Tell All. They showed it. And it was obviously a very emotionally charged moment. Were you shocked? because he kind of made a comment when we interviewed him that made me think that maybe there was like a vibe that the relationship was coming to an end between you two. Yeah, I wish I knew what he said.

You can listen. I'll listen to it. I knew that I was going to go home. I think it's so emotional because you've come, I went so far with him and you're pretty much at the end. And so a natural instinct is I was thinking, was I enough? Did I not do enough? Was there we ran out of time?

What was it? And it was definitely an unspoken understanding that this was the end for us. So the tears, I'm going to cry now. I'm not going to cry. But the tears I use are all real because it's not hearing my name called. I felt that our friendship was also done and I had no say in it. So a part of me, I was thinking, I was like, oh, well, I know I'm going to go home. Maybe I just shouldn't go to the road ceremony.

that was like what I was really thinking to myself. But I didn't want to take away the joy and happiness of hearing your name being called from the other two women just because I love and respect them so much. And I think it'd be a disservice if I didn't show up because I would love to hear my name being called as the final tier of rights. I didn't want to take that joy for the other women. So it's also why I was crying because I knew it was going to happen. I knew this was the end for Joey and I.

But again, it was probably my favorite moment. of he and I because I could really feel that there was just so much love there even as platonic love and I think that's also my favorite type of love but it's so hard so it was hard to watch for that I think yeah I think it's really

difficult at the end too because I feel like the lead like that's when your relationship really starts progressing but the lead then has to step back and kind of like mentally turn off two relationships because he has to pick one So it's like he like in that's like that's the difficult part because it's like like who knows like you know in the real world you could like not to rub it in but like you could have worked in the real world you know but like now he's now it's like this thing where he's like well I have like at this point I feel a stronger connection with a Daisy or a Kelsey so now I have to turn off this relationship and that's hard because it's like no one did anything.

wrong and that's yeah that's that's the yeah I you know I give Joey has all my respect for having to be the one in that position to do it because I I don't know if I could be able to do it at the same time yeah it was a hard decision but um someone had to do it so kudos to joy for for breaking it because um that was that was a tough one definitely a tough one yeah I feel like it's emotional to experience and then to have to sit there and watch it back is just a whole different type of emotional. Well, I didn't think I was going to be that emotional. I was going to go into, like, when I was going to tell a lot, I was like, I'm going to watch

it. It's fine. But, yeah, it hit me like a ton of bricks. Because after filming, I kind of went home and I was like, how do I just pick up from here? That's kind of what my thought process was. So I went back to work and I just tried to be busy, be busy and not think about it. So seeing that over and reliving that whole thing, it kind of just took me back to that place.

Yeah. I want to get into your time in the hot seat with Joey at the Women's Hall. But before that, there's so much went down at the Women's Hall. And you were not sitting out there with the girls, but you were there. You were behind the scenes waiting for your moment. So I want to get your take on the drama. What are your thoughts? You know, we had the Maria versus Jess, Sydney, and Leia moment.

You were in the house through all of it, which is, you know, you're seeing everything that's going down. What's your take on it all? I mean, as you can see also, like, if you watch, I was always pretty neutral. Like, I always tried to be kind of see what was happening on both sides. I also was not on the group dates where most of the drama happened. So a lot of the times girls, you know, they were sharing. like, oh, this took place, this transpired, but I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened and what didn't happen. My whole thing was Sydney, Leah, Maria, Jess, I give these girls all my

respect because they all stood their ground. And I think that's a hard thing to do. Like, you know, for most people, they'd be like, okay, let's just move on, let's move on. But they stuck to their side of the story, each of them. And I think it's bound to happen to have this disagreement. You're putting so many different personalities in a small environment. Some personalities are stronger than the other. But I did hear that they hugged it out. So I'm glad we're able

at our age as women, let's just put it aside. We're there for Joey. And, you know, we all have those people that we hang out with them we're closest to. I just was just over the whole thing, honestly, the whole time. I was like, okay, guys. But where's Joey? Really, like the question is, where's Joey, right? We didn't see you involved in literally any

drama this season, which is not surprising to me. We did see you have a little miniature tiff with Maria at one of the rose ceremonies. Do you want to expand or just give any context? And how cold was it in that hangar? Because I bet it was fucking freezing.

To that moment. It was pretty cold. No, it was actually really cold at night. I would even call it a tiff. I think we were all so exhausted. We just finished hometowns. It's late at night. You know, these ceremonies can go as long. We don't even know how long it was

going to be so um i think it was more emotions are high and i was the closest to and i just asked a simple question um we hugged it out i i don't think there was any ill-will in that moment and you know one thing about maria and i is that we could talk straight to each other we were just blunt and that's why we just never really had an issue i said what i said and she would say what she said and we moved on um but of course from an outside perspective you're not thinking about what's going through my mind what's going through her mind so it looks like it too but it wasn't i threw plenty of tips in in paradise we would be for like row ceremony people would like pass out i'd be like are you fucking care of me like like like get it to you pull it together drink some water you're roos ceremonies are the worst

well i'm saying like rose ceremonies like what you're once you're at the for like our listeners like once you're at the rose ceremony like at this point you're like you're pretty tired And you're just exhausted. And you're just kind of like, let's get this. We want to get this going. Like, it's the end of the night. Oh, Matt, go ahead. Sorry.

No, go, Rachel. Go. It was, obviously, it wasn't. So, like, more that was happening in the background is I was also very emotional going into that hometown, I mean, going into that rural ceremony because as I was leaving my hometowns, my, I found out that my auntie passed away while I was filming. And so I was kind of. like in the space where I was like, I'm missing so much of like what's going on back home

and I'm so out of the loop and I'm so close to my dad and it was my dad's sister. So going to the ceremony, I felt like there was just like a lot. We're all having so many emotions and seeing our families and like thinking about things like am I, should I be here? Like what, what am I doing here? So I think people are just so quick to judge and not take a second to realize like there's other things that they're thinking about besides getting a rose that night, you know? 100%.

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the Maria fans are on the defense for Maria with everything that went down this season, and they're like, anyone that says anything to Maria, we're coming for you. And it's like, guys, like, Maria and Rachel are good. I put that army too. Dang. Her army, her army's fierce. Her army is fierce.

They're hardcore. They're hardcore. Okay. So let's talk about But you seeing Joey again at the reunion in your hot seat, how was that? I wasn't nervous at all to Sam. I was actually very excited because we left. I guess you could say there was no closure when we left, but we both didn't need closure. We knew this was the end of it. So I could feel that we both were, it was just a calmness when we saw each other.

And just so much love. As soon as we saw each other, it was like, hey, man, what's up to? Yeah, and I feel like you had great banter on the show. Like he said this at the one to tell all, but like truly I feel like so many of the interactions we saw between the two of you was you making him laugh. And you could tell like he just there's good banter and like ease between the two of you. And I feel like we saw that right away from like the moment he sat down with your little interaction. Yeah. Which is like there's always a like I said, a sense of familiarity, a sense of home with the both of us.

And, you know, seeing him cry. I think I told him most like I'm so glad you cried. my left because you did you did say that okay yeah I don't know if I did because I was like listen man if there's no tear to be shed please redo it yeah let it cry he cry it feels good when they're a little upset you're like okay I'm glad it meant something to you too I'm like okay I want you on your hands and knees but if not I'll take a tear or two I'll take a thug tear it's fine yeah um we saw you speak you know jo and you kind of had your moment um and just he had said that you were giving so much to the relationship that he just couldn't give back.

I feel like we saw you really take a turn and open up so much after your conversation with Susan, who was in the audience, how was that conversation? I feel like out of the three conversations, like you, Daze and Kelsey all chatted with a golden woman, you and Susan just had like the best chemistry and like. Oh, yes. I mean, it's Susan, right? Like, see, Susan, Susan is iconic. She is amazing.

She definitely, I felt like I was talking to an auntie or a mom in that moment. That's what I was needing because in my head, I was like, okay, it's now or never. I open up to Joey or I don't open up to Joey. And she really kind of pushed me into the right direction to escape at my all. And I think even though the outcome is not what anyone would have wanted, it was everything I wanted. I opened up. I pushed myself. And I'm just really proud of, you know, how far it came towards the end.

So what does this mean for you now, stepping into the dating world and back into the real world and being single? But having, I guess, grown in the relationship sense. Yeah. I mean, I'm so so happy with where I am at life right now. I think a lot of us when we're single, especially in our 20s or mid-20s or late 20s, we think we're behind. I'm like, girl, you can literally do whatever you want. Like, you can literally do whatever you want. That's how what Medina thought.

I was like, I'm sure you still can do whatever you want. But I think right now I'm taking a step back from the dating world. I'm not opposed to anybody. But obviously, my standards are very high. I mean, who can top a date in Spain? I don't know. Yeah. That was a good one.

It's kind of hard. But, yeah, I mean, if you can meet my standards, give me a call. It's not. Are the DMs open? Are we like at least like casually dating? Or are you like, no, give me space? I need space right now. I definitely need space right now.

I think a lot of opportunities are coming out of all of this. And I'm really focused on just relaxing and kind of touching grass. I'm like visiting my family to kind of just take a break from everything. But I'm not opposed. Okay. Right? So you're open. What was the, what was your favorite place you went to?

on the show you basically went you went everywhere i went everywhere i didn't thank god um i want to say spain was probably my favorite landscape because i've always wanted to go to spain i'm obsessed with spanish culture but lodging and like just the scenery and everything jasper was insane yeah yeah i mean that was so beautiful it was insane i was like where are we guys i would definitely go back to jasper in spain yeah i love that very different places but yeah it was very beautiful yeah Okay, I got a Hawaii question. So we're going to Hawaii for the first time, even though neither of us have been there.

This isn't, I'm just throwing this out there. You've never been to Hawaii yet. No, no. It's very far from the East Coast, you know? It is far from the East Coast. What is one thing that we had, like what does Hawaii do best as far as food? Well, a Polka is the best for sure.

Yeah. 100%. But, I mean, there's like, my favorite place on the island is called Kuaina, as the sandwich shop it's in the North Shore it's on Oahu and they have the best

Terry chicken sandwich with the best fries I've ever had in my life sounds so good I don't know if I'm over hyping it because it's I've had it since I was like a fetus like I've gone this

but I was an actual child so to me it's just like a nostalgic sandwich but it's a North Shore where it's like the raw Hawaii like nothing's really changed and there's no like a lot of buildings and stuff as a as a tourist where should you

go if you're going for if you're going for two if you're going for 10 days are you planning the ship right now apparently I'm just trying to get as much information as I could show is always planning multiple trips at one time I'm just I don't know you know

like do you go to the what is it like Maui's we almost went to Hawaii on our honeymoon and we didn't so it's like on it's near the top of the list of places like we really want to go yeah so yeah we're always picking people's brains that have been there or lived there and decide which island you guys should go to because Oahu has great nightlife then you also have like the good countryside Kauai just has the beautiful country Maui as well just go to every island okay okay that's all good it

message me I'll give you a list of things to do and then don't ask Joey ask me okay I wouldn't you think I'm gonna ask the the Philly kid who's a tennis instructor and Hawaii were to go to Hawaii? No way. I think a lot of people think he's from Hawaii. I feel like I've been getting comments of people saying they're both from Hawaii. I feel like it confuses people because when you're on the show, they have like name age where you're from or like name age occupation like in the little bios. And I think they had, they had him as Hawaii on his season when he was a contestant because it's not necessarily like where you're born, where you grew up. It's like where you are most recently living.

So I think it gets confusing for some people. Yeah, then it's to be clarified. I think that, yeah, they switch it up. Okay. I think, yeah, I mean, we probably could wrap this. Anything else you want to talk about? Anything that we may not have saw with you and Joey or are you chilling? Do you want people to know?

I mean, I definitely would love to just address again. I think I addressed that tell all at the end was just, the comments that people have been making I guess toward me especially after hometowns I'm not one to really speak up

I guess for myself so doing that was like a huge there's a huge thing for me and you know coming from my Asian background we're always taught like not to take up space like not to speak up just be quiet and so I'm like really trying to encourage

people like who look like me or just anyone of color to take up that space and to speak up. I think people are so quick to realize or so quick to think that it doesn't affect any of us. And I'm not saying that the comments I'm getting are tearing me down. It's just very frustrating. And I wish more people would just be more kind with their words and thus know that their words have weight to them. And I'm still just a normal person.

I went on the show and I think going on the show takes a lot of courage and bravery because there's so much that you go through. and you know people are getting mad because of my skin color how I look and just dropping all these names like jungle Asian and all these slurs that just are coming from left field all because I got a rose I wish people would just know that if you want to watch reality TV you have to know that people are real on reality TV and just to be more kind and have more grace on us yeah and just don't be a fucking dick it's like I don't it's like it's actually it's terrible it's insane and it's just like like yeah and like you have to expect some of it but like especially like in your case it's just like it's so unwarranted and it's just yeah i feel for you like it it sucks and like i feel like you are in like a great headspace and i would just like stay there and focus on all the good that does come from it because there is a lot of it and yeah like hopefully the haters you know go away or at least start you know or grow up a little bit because yeah yeah It is, it's like if you want to watch a show where it's only people that look like you,

you're probably not going to be able to turn on your TV. And you probably shouldn't step outside your house because that's just not how the friend of the world works. Just don't go outside. No. And it is, it is a struggle for everyone in this franchise, a lot of the hateful comments. And something that we as past contestants, me as a woman of color, can definitely relate to your experience to an extent with dealing with that struggle. but thank you for your bravery and sharing your culture and sharing your family and your experiences and your traditions on the show because it does take so much bravery. You are putting yourself out there for, you know, people to love on and accept and also for people to criticize and say horrific things in your DMs.

Sadly, that is part of being on this show. But I hope that you know that the good that you do and the good that comes out of this and the people you touch is so much greater. then got a little choked up there for a second, sorry. Then the people that you hurt that are hurting you. Stop. Stop.

You stop. I wasn't prepared for this. Oh. Yeah, no. I think I agree with everything you said. And yeah, just you're, you're an amazing person and just know that and fuck those people, really.

For lack of a better word. Yeah, and then if there was a Bachelor in Paradise, would you do it? Ooh. I don't know, man. I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to say no. I'm not going to give a definitive answer and say no. I hope we'll just see what I feel in the moment, I guess.

Is there even going to be a BIP? I don't know. I know there's going to be a Bachelorette. How about that? There's going to be a Bachelorette that is very true. Would you do that? I'd be the worst Bachelorette ever. Don't see that.

Why do you think that? And sometimes that makes for the best TV. Because I think like night one I would say, ah, um, I made half of you guys to go home. Like, I can't kiss. I can't. No. I don't know. We'll see.

I think it would be fun and have a great experience. But I'm also like very blunt. I don't know if that's what would be good as a Bachelorette. I think you would be great. You couldn't send 50% of the men home night one because that's not how the show works. But I think if you could get past that, you would be a great bachelorette.

I would have fun. It would be a fun time. But we'll see. I don't know. Cool. Okay. Well, Rachel, thank you so much for coming on. We've been waiting to interview you,

so we're really happy. And yeah, thanks so much. Appreciate it. At the best time. Also, you guys are stunning. like you are really how I pictured you guys really? Thank you. Yeah. I was like so cute. Well, thank you

yeah. I'm not even like I mean you should see me dressed up. No. Anyways and thank you to all our listeners who tune in to Badger Happy Hour. We appreciate you guys. I know most of you, if not majority of you, are not the people that

send hateful messages, but if you are like, chill out, for real. That's your line for listening. Chill out. I guess I said that a lot didn't I. Yeah, that's the word of the day. I don't know. I don't know. I guess, yeah. I do say chill a lot, though. It's okay. Okay. Yeah. That's a good word. Yeah. Do your thing.

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