Bachelor Happy Hour - Exclusive: Bachelor in Paradise Unplugged Part 1

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

It’s the reunion of the summer, as the cast of “Bachelor in Paradise” is back together – and you’ll only hear it here, on “Bachelor Happy Hour.” Your favorites are sitting down with host Wells Adams to rehash the unfinished business that went down this summer -- and there is LOTS to get into! Find out where the couples are now, and what has happened since filming stopped. Then, we get into the season’s drama, starting with Dale, Kat, and Deading It. And of course, we have an unfiltered tell-all on the Jeremy, Susie, Bailey drama. What would have happened had Susie come back? How does Bailey feel today? The tea is piping hot and ready to be spilled, so tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you don't miss part 2, dropping on Friday! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Wells Adams, and this is Bachelor in Paradise Unplugged. The beach is officially closed for the summer and our cast has returned to hash out some unfinished business. I think we have to start with introductions of all these beautiful people

that I had to serve drinks to for two fortnights. Let's start with Andrew. Hello. I thought you guys were happy guys. He's the only one that's all in it, man. Alex. Dale Kat

Spencer Jess Jess Jeremy Bailey Bailey Shottie Boy Alicia

Alicia Brian Lisa Kathy and the guy who I think should be the next golden bachelor Oh my All right we got to start with the most important thing which is

Jeremy why do you hate old people I'm kidding. The most important thing is talking about the two couples who ended up winning, not only money, but you found love. Give us the update. Andrew, Alex, what's going on? Everything's going really well. We've been in hiding for a while.

The disguises were out. So it was great. We still navigated through watching the show and also just kind of like dating outside of the show. And I think that was very important to us. I was like, yeah, go ahead. Text all your hoes that you had before. I was like, no, I'm serious.

I was just like, make sure, just be like, make sure you let everyone know, like, hey, you know, I'm going to pursue something with this guy. And I was like, I think that was just the most important thing to just like translate Paradise into real life because Paradise is, you know, it's a bubble. It's kind of tough. Like I don't get to wake up into here every day.

She, like, lives in L.A., I live in Chicago. So, yeah. You want to say, baby? I think you covered it. I think, yeah. it's been lovely and in that short period of time that we've had I feel like I've helped you grow and you've helped me grow so much and I'm so thankful for that yeah so it's been going really really well on a personal note I mean I get to see everyone's love story kind of unfold behind the bar and I do think that you guys had the cutest story and I think a lot of it a lot of it wasn't told we didn't pay him we didn't pay him no because it was such a funny awkward cute like burn And I just got to say, like, I love you too. Don't worry, I'm going to get to you.

But, like, watching your guys' love story unfold in front of me was, like, really, really cute. And I'm just, I just want you guys to know that I'm rooting for you. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. The crazy thing was, is when we had our chat before I decided who was going to want to date with, I remember talking to you, and you were like, I'm sorry, I'm so awkward. I'm super nervous. And I was just like, oh, this is, like, this is perfect.

Like, now I feel like, I know who you. are you're not like putting up some like guard or trying to come off your best self like in a different way like it was so that was not my post office oh my gosh but that was super nice and then like when we when i be lined to you in the morning and talked about it i think i just knew right then and there like that's what like i wanted to pursue and what i wanted to do is just kind of be around you and like be ourselves and it just felt perfect and you wanted a weird girl oh i do like a weird girl you guys are perfect thank you speaking of perfect couples i mean we got to talk about the golden retriever that looks like clark kent and spencer and jess you guys congratulations you want some

money and you guys got engaged how you guys doing i'll let you take this babe yeah can we see the ring you go for it oh oh thanks for breena you heard it here first she's not wearing the ring she's not wearing the ring So it is getting resized right now. Don't worry, guys. We are still engaged. No, but we're doing so good. We have really honestly enjoyed this time of, like, hiding and just getting to spend time with each other. It's obviously hard, you know, staying hidden.

There's so many things we want to do and experience together, but we really just try to take this time for what it is. And we're so excited to get out there in the real world and go on some dates. We're actually getting on a red-eye flight straight to Tennessee for him to see my hometown and meet the rest of my family and the rest of my friends. And it's going to be so much fun. Also, spoiler alert, I am moving to Dallas, everyone. So at the beginning of the year, I'm going to move to Dallas. We just feel like it's the best thing for our future right now, and we're super excited. Yeah.

she has met my whole family we went back to Utah they have disown me they have disowned me and she is now their daughter so I'm I'm without family no but I haven't been able to meet her parents yet because Irwin is it's a real small town we got a couple thousand people there so if we would have gone there would have been hard to stay under wraps so we're going there ASAP and yeah no it's just been the best time to people have time just her and I I cannot wait to actually live a normal life and be able to go on a date we haven't been on a date outside of paradise like we just want to go to the grocery store and pick out groceries together grocery store morning walks let's go on the day let's like actually be able to date normally I think is the thing I'm looking most

forward to did you guys ever think that you would find your person on some weird wacky reality TV dating show. Wait, this is actually really funny. I had a trip planned with my boss and some of her girlfriends that I was literally, I had it planned. I was supposed to leave like May 22nd or something. I ran out of clothes. I had another trip planned. I didn't think that this would ever happen for me in a million years. And then I met Spencer and he changed my life. And I'm a romantic in my best case scenario. In my best case scenario, I was like, yeah, Maybe I meet someone that I can, like, date outside of this and we see if we can make something work. But then there's always the logistics going on your head of most likely we're not going to be in the same city.

Paradise is a little bit of a bubble. And dating outside of that is differently. And then I met her. So that all changed. Yeah. It all changed instantly there. So I knew after the first day, I was either going to spend my whole time in Paradise getting to know her or I was getting on the flight back to Dallas. So I got to say, okay, real quick, just for everyone out there watching and listening, I very rarely cry.

I have black heart and no soul. But when you said, I can make more money, but I can't make more Jessica, Taylor. That really got me, too. It was the line of the season, I have to say, well done, dude. Well, let's go through all the other couples. The other ones that were engaged. Kathy and Keith, how are you guys? What's going on with you guys?

I got a ring, it's just on the wrong hand. Yeah, no ring, no ring. No, we're still great friends. I mean, we met each other back in February at an I-heart event there, and we became really good friends there, and it just has even grown much more than it, you know. The experience, I know, you read all the comments and everybody, they go, why are they still on it?

You know, it's for love, and I'm a big Bachelor in Paradise fan, and I really believe it's for, I'm going to cry now, too. And I believe it's for love as well. And so I knew that we needed to go at some time, but I really enjoyed my time with you, Kathy. We had a great time. And I just want to say that at our age, there's different kinds of love. And I love Keith. He has been such a good friend to me, and we continue to be friends.

And we both are looking for romantic love. But we have each other as great friends, and that's really important, too. Well, it was very fun to watch you guys on TV. I love these couples here. I love you guys so, I'm going to cry I love you guys so much I mean I talk to Alex like a lot I think out of everybody

I love you so much Who's this Keith man One of your hoes And I want to apologize For the statement I made about you Drinking on my booze No so my daughter texted me she watched that show

And my daughter texts me And she's like dad At least you were authentic on the show Perisa, Brian, what's going on with you guys? I want to start. It was a good run, you know? It was a good run. It was a good run.

Yeah. It was a great experience that I wouldn't take back. I think life just kind of got in the way for me, running my restaurant. Distance is tough, but we're still, you know, good, close friends. And, yeah. Okay. We'll get back to you. Yeah, I know more's coming, so.

Jonathan, Leah, what's going on over there? You guys still friend zoned each other, making TikToks, or what's happening? Pretty much. I mean, we were friends before, and I think it kind of just brought us closer. We got to go through, like, I told her after we got off, I'm like, if I was in that position with anybody else, I don't think I would have had half as much fun. I mean, I think anybody could tell. If you guys know me outside of it, you could tell I just wasn't.

loving my time about halfway through. So when she, I'm getting there. Oh, okay, sorry. And then when Leah got there, after we kind of fixed our friendship, like everything just started to get better and we had a lot of fun and then we left the show on the best terms possible and spend a lot of time together, watch episodes, chat about everything and she's going to just help me get through everything and I think vice versa. Yeah, yeah.

I wouldn't have had it any other way, honestly. I know I talk all the time about, oh, we should feel in love, I think that everything like really was meant to happen the way that it did and I'm so grateful for Jonathan and yeah we're just the best of friends we support each other I help him wingman his ladies he helps me out you know so like we have a good dynamic going on here well listen I I got to say one thing that America was robbed of was your interviews you were the weirdest person Well, if we do in our Paradise, I hope you come back because you deserve to find someone there.

If I'm still single by a year from now, please. Sean, Alicia, are you guys still hot and heavy? What's going on with you guys? Yeah, well, we saw you for the 4th of July. Yes. So that was fun. I hosted you at my country club. That was lovely.

We definitely left Paradise with a great relationship and continued it on the outside. We've kind of been faced with a little bit of distance, I would say. I've had some opportunities come up in LA and I've pursued them. And that's something that we've discussed. I'm not willing to compromise my career goals for a heterosexual man and Sean supports that. So we love each other. I think we're best of friends and more than anything else, just the best of teammates.

And we respect and care for one another. Yeah, it was a good run. Yeah. But no, everything she said was correct. I think, you know, distance is really tough, obviously. And, you know, when you put it in the grand scheme of things of like Paradise, We've known each other for like 26 days prior to leaving together. And, you know, there's certain things within your career and your life that you've got to take advantage of.

I mean, opportunities don't happen that often. So, you know, at the end of the day, like, I have my career. She has her career and, like, it makes it tough with the distance. But we did walk away with the best of friends. So very happy to leave Paradise with that. Nice. Well, I want to say congratulations on winning the Masters this year. Thank you.

If you're not first, you'll last. So Jeremy Bailey, what's going on with you guys? Yeah, I feel like similar to like Alex and Andrew, we definitely restarted our relationship. I think we were really happy with the foundation and the things that we really got to know about each other in Paradise. And I feel like we've honestly spent so much time with each other this summer just traveling back and forth. We went to Portugal. He met my mom and my sister over there and we traveled around a little bit. And I've been in New York for the majority of the summer.

I think a lot of people that posted spoilers can attest to that. So I feel like that's been fun. We have been trying to do the disguise thing. But, you know, you can only wear a wig so much before your wig gives out. So I feel like we've just really loved being with each other every day. And, yeah, we definitely have some exciting plans for later this year. She's moving in with me. Yeah.

So, yeah, I feel like we're in a really good place and really have. happy with each other and meeting families and I feel like that's all you can really ask for and friends and he's met all my best friends I'm meeting his best friends so yeah we're really happy oh well congratulations you guys yes but definitely not least we have dale and cat how are you guys doing we're in a great place I can say kind of the same thing y'all both said restarted a little bit after paradise because the biggest thing is understanding like lifestyles. I travel a lot and it's not always the easiest. But, you know, my, my intent was early on to make sure that I was spending as much time in San Diego as I could

so that we could just get a sense of the relationship. Fast forward. She hasn't met my family or anything yet. South Dakota is, yeah, it's South Dakota. So no one's stepping off that plan or in that airport. But, you know, I had the chance to spend time with her family, which was amazing. And, you know, our goal is just to build this relationship as strong and as tight as possible. We've talked about all the things, whether it's San Diego. I mean, even recently, like, you know, we're just open. We want to be together. We want to do this the right way. And I think, like, throughout Paradise, we had a very real natural arc of how relationships go. We had the worries early on. We had the triggers that popped up. We had the moments where we had to

manage meltdowns. We had to, you know, stand up for our partner. Never me. Oh, we both had meltdowns. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true. But, you know, dead it and the bugs. And the bugs. Good crashouts here and there. But I think that, like, is a beautiful thing. I think a lot of times on some of these shows, like, people are so afraid to to just be and the thing I love about Kat so much is that she's messy she's imperfect but she's beautiful in every sense and like that's not something that like scares me you know and I'm also the same way it's like Dale Nandale comes out I was drinking too much rosé um but I think anyone that you know has been on the show kind of understands like how I'll ride for somebody um and I know that

like Kat will ride for me. So everything else, like, we'll figure out. We didn't win the prize, but, you know, I think on the challenge side, we still, you know, we're 10 toes down and held it down, you know. Oh, he said it all. Georgie approves. My little kitty approves. So that's what really matters. Yeah, yeah. No, he's took it away. He's, it's been wonderful. Families met him. Everything's been really good. Nice. Yeah. Well, Kat, you're not a rookie to Paradise. This is your second venture to the beach. I got to get your thoughts. one, why did you come back? And two, what did you think about the new digs?

Well, I will say I was very hesitant coming back to this because of just, you know, it's hard to put yourself back in a situation where it didn't work out well the first time. So, like, I was very hesitant to come back and make myself vulnerable and all the things. But the opportunity presented itself. And I said, why not? I was in a really good place in my life. I feel a little bit more secure in myself. And they did promise there was going to be air conditioning.

So I, that was like my very first question. And I just kind of, I also didn't know anything about anyone. I came in without any background of anybody who haven't watched. And that's very different than the time before. So I thought this would be kind of an opportunity to see where that can go and just come in like fresh. And if it didn't work out, I could always leave. So I had the autonomy to do that and just wanted to see what was going to happen. And as far as the setup, it's so much better.

I actually at one point said I felt like I was on vacation which is crazy because it was still in the tropics and I don't vacation in the tropics and so it was just overall and I think the cast in general everyone was just very like honestly probably the most authentic I've been around

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Well, obviously things were a lot different this paradise. All of a sudden, money was involved in these challenges as well. Jess, I was wondering what your thoughts of the challenges were in the relationship tests. Yeah, honestly, it's funny because I see the comments online and people are like, oh, these challenges suck, blah, blah, blah. I enjoyed them. I thought they were really good for our relationship. There's only so many things that you can talk about and scenarios you can kind of make up in your head.

Whereas we were kind of actually put to the test. We got to learn things about each other that maybe we wouldn't learn until way later down the road. We got to see how each of us, you know, handle conflict, handle losing, which was. Tough. Yeah, at times it was tough, you know. We're totally okay with it. I love the challenges. I thought that it brought us closer together

and it gave us an opportunity to just like work as a team. Yeah. I'll second everything the beautiful woman to my love says. You guys are already married. My father-in-law at our wedding said the only two words you need to remember

are yes and dear. I will say I can't imagine our relationship being where it is right now if we would have just been sitting on a beach For a month, you know, the fact that we had these challenges that did bring up, you know, potential conflict, scenarios of where you might see yourself in the future, what you're looking for in a relationship that would last outside of paradise. And, yeah, I think the competitions were overall a huge plus. Dale, what did you think? Do you like the competitions?

I like the competition. I mean, taking an L was definitely hard. Tomil. Um, yeah, he took the else. Yeah, yeah, I mean, um, but I think the competitions were, uh, were great, honestly. Because at that stage, I think everyone had formed, um, you know, for the most part, uh, just because some people were kind of forced into a situation where they might not have had the romantic connection, but they still had to find common ground and really, like, dig deeper into their partner. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, whatever.

Grow up. Giggedy, giggedy. Yeah, yeah. Wait, I missed. But if they're a child. For those who like had that, that connection, it really, really forced you to get uncomfortable and put yourself aside and, like, give everything that you had. Like, I know that for me personally, the money was an incentive, but I was, like, at the end of the day,

I didn't give a fuck about the money. I cared about coming through for Kat. And, like, from a financial standpoint, like, yeah, it's an incentive for the relationship. But I feel like most people, the focus, you know, was their partner. And I don't know. Like, that's just my take. But, yeah, I think it was. It was fun.

Yeah, it was fun. To be honest with you, I wasn't sure if it was going to be a successful endeavor. But now watching it back and experiencing it and then seeing all the successful couples that came out of this season I actually do think it was actually really helpful so I hope that like it's something that we continue doing because you want to see what your partner

does in times of stress or how they take a loss and all that kind of stuff it's important and I think it was really cool what you know the last thing that was kind of big and different about this season was the advent of the

Golden's coming in Bailey and it seemed like so I mean, I think that the Golden's had an impact on everyone, but it seemed like Bailey, for you, you really were kind of impacted by the Golden's being there. I wanted to get your take on them being there. I absolutely adored having the Golden's there. It honestly just, like, felt like my parents were there. So I feel like I just got to kind of, like, I don't know, it's like hard when you're processing all these things.

And then, like, there's cockroaches crawling up your legs. And you're like, how am I supposed to send people home? I don't know. There's a lot, you know, there's a lot to process. us and I feel like I really enjoyed having all the goldens there because it just felt like my mom and my dad were there and I just was able to like be with them and get advice from them and laugh and not feel stressful and I like would love when Kathy would like do these random quizzes with us and just like take all of our minds off of everything she'd be like would you

rather have a shark bite your toe or like I don't know so I feel like having the goldens there really positively impacted my experience and I probably would have gone home earlier just from like mental stress of I and I love the challenges I think it was really important for all of our relationships but I think the environment is a really stressful environment and you're processing a lot and you're not always in the best headspace and so I feel like for me at least having the golden's there was really necessary and I kind of feel like they should get their own paradise or be there thank you I don't disagree with that team golden's there listen like the challenges I wasn't really sure how this is all going to work and what it was going to look like but as someone who was

there the day that you guys all showed up. You guys were such a vibe change. We needed it. And it's so weird that you'd think that the youngs would be the ones bringing all the energy and it was all the Goldens who really like injected the beach

with so much energy. And I'm just so thankful that you guys showed up. You mean body shots? Could I say something about the soldiers as well? I would also like to say that whenever Keith or Kathy or any of the Goldens gave us their perspective on things happening, whether it being within our relationship, paradise as a whole,

especially with both Keith and Kathy forming this beautiful friendship. I know for all the romantic couples, she was my focus whenever she was around, which is no secret to anyone here. And it was like that for a lot of, for all the romantic couples, right? You're trying to build this relationship here. And both Keith and Kathy got to see everything from the outside. and they got to see it with an eye that has experienced so much more life

than any of us. So whenever Keith or Kathy said anything and whenever they say anything, I hold it with a lot more gravity and I love them very much and I'm so beyond grateful. You made her cry, dude. Your makeup's too beautiful. It's elder of you. I just

when you get to be our age you realize how important relationships are and the little things don't matter and you have to get to be our age to know how important people are and that's why on the show when Keith and I said we didn't care about the money

we didn't because at our age it's the connection with you guys it's a connection with people that matter and senior happiness it made my year I also want to say one thing, too. I love you guys. Please.

We love y'all. No, it's, I just want to thank all of you for welcoming us as well. I mean, you know, Jeremy didn't like us in the beginning. I'm joking. I'm totally joking. I'm not joking. Oh, Kathy and Jeremy are fighting later. I'm sorry.

Go, of course. The tears are over. Now I'm coming after you. So I gave you a chance last night, Jeremy, to tell me how much you love me. No, what does Jeremy say? I didn't want the Golden's to go home. I just hated the Golden. Jeremy?

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, Kathy, he didn't say that. No. Don't take my words out of context. I didn't like them at first. Yes. But then I ended up loving you. How much do you love me, Jeremy?

Put it publicly. You sent me home, so I'm... I think it's important to note that me, Kathy, and Jeremy are all tourists. so we are incredibly suburb. And honestly, he's not backing down on this hill and neither is happening. But here's the thing,

I will back down because I have age and wisdom. I am so happy to see you guys in love. We have some young kids transferring over. I'm happy for you guys. That's what matters.

No, I just want to finish. I just want to thank you for accepting us in here because you didn't have to do that at all. And, you know, you allowed us to be us. And I keep in touch with a lot of you people in here. And I have new friends. And, yeah.

Yeah, I actually, yeah, I'm seeing Katz. But Kat, I saw Kat at stagecoach before even the show. But she gave me credit. I walk in and I don't know who came up. Like, oh, you're the dude that saw, you're the dude that was at T-Pain. I was like, oh, my God, Kat said she met you at T-Pain. And you were like, front row. I was like, you seem like my kind of guy.

I'm immediately important. Let's go grab a drink. You're going to 20 for the day. 21. Yeah. Real quick, Dale, can you explain to me what dead it is and what it means? Dead is. Take it away.

Ended, cease to exist, no longer in existence, finished. In my vocabulary now. I've been hearing that for like 10 plus years. New York people all over know the thing. Locker rooms, people knew it. Also, you know, the Rosee probably brought a little vocabulary out. Oh, you're blaming me now. No, you and Hannah.

Both. But yeah, that was just a moment where I was feeling probably a little too good. But, dude, I was, like, pulling up the chair thinking, like, we're going to have this, like, deep moment. I was like, whoa, where's this cup from? But the reality is, like, you know, in this environment, in these stages, you're, like, you go into these situations thinking you know how you're going to handle everything. But the reality is, especially when feelings are. involved certain triggers and certain things can affect you and the other person may have done nothing wrong or had no context or anything and i i've said this to cat before um you know in that

moment i thought it was a really great thing for us because it was a realization for me that like the reality is i cared for all my friends and everything on the beach but no one could affect me in the way that cat could have and she didn't even have to like she didn't even try it was just like because I cared so much about us being good. And whatever trigger came up and wherever that came from, that was an indication to me that, like, okay, A, I was wrong with how I handled the situation, a difference in communications versus, like, timing, and emotions. But after the fact, we moved through it very, very quickly.

And it was a big moment for me. And honestly, I stand by whatever. I'll say dead it. Does he? Hey, how many of you all say dead it now? I accidentally used it in my vocabulary, like, way too often. I think I said it on the phone the other day. My girlfriend was like, what did you just say?

Why are you saying that? I was like, I don't even know. It's like a thing now. In New York, that's a thing. But I will say, like, if anyone understands, like, being triggered or defensive in that environment, it's definitely me. So I definitely feel like I understood where some things happen. It always comes back to, like, how you move through it afterwards.

And I think, yeah, it shows you about people. Yeah. If you do it the way. Bailey and Jeremy, obviously timelines are important, but hard to kind of like adequately represent on a TV show that's a lot of stuff's happening in very short windows of broadcast time. I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on kind of like, when did the connection start? How are you guys feeling in the beginning of your relationship? Yeah, I think the connection started on the first day.

You know, we kind of just sat next to each other at a couch like this and started chatting. And we hit things off and things were still new. And it really just developed for, you know, for a long time, obviously. We both went on other dates and some things happened in between. And by the time, it was like the competition, like we were pretty locked in on each other. And like Jess was saying, the challenges and stuff really helped and really just helped develop our relationship. And we were at a really strong point to the point where like, you know, I asked her to be my girlfriend before he left, which I would not have done unless I meant it. And it just gave us like a fresh opportunity. Just like really like talk things over and start fresh after Paradise and see where things headed. And to, you know, my surprise, they were even better when when you left a beautiful beach. Yeah. I feel like in the beginning we were also trying to just like suss out. You know,

you're you're just processing so many things and you're also just like you you don't want to lock in like on the first you know first night because you're just like what what's about to happen who's coming in but I feel like we both did a really good job of constantly like choosing each other wait that was not a day sorry no it's not bad but I feel like for us like I didn't want to leave paradise with any regrets and I wanted to make sure that like the whole point of paradise is that you experience so many things that you wouldn't normally do in the outside world and I feel like normally we're both very much people that just like you're clocked in on one person and that's just how we both normally date and I feel like at least for us and for me at least I really wanted to make sure that like as long as I kept wanting to choose Jeremy after I think that was the most important thing of like figuring that out and then obviously after like three or four weeks paradise time which is like I don't know seven days um after three or four weeks and you're like okay you know like I did a normal week time of all of this and I feel like I still know how my feelings are and I still feel I still know where I'm feeling drawn to and I think

that's kind of at least what those that's what I was going for like I wanted to go to whoever I was drawn to the most and every single time that was Jeremy for me and so I feel like that's what helped furthered our connection and then I think going on our one-on-one date I think everyone can say when you finally get to go on a one-on-one date you're like oh this just like when you go on that date with your person you're like I feel like our relationship really got to go over all those hills that we were kind of battling also so I feel like that was I think the night that we both really felt like we really locked in at that moment and obviously winning the competition the first challenge was really important too it just showed how much stupid knowledge we knew about each other

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And probably the most for YouTube from this last season. And I imagine that navigating a relationship post-show was tough with the online chatter and fans being upset with things that happened. And I wanted to get your guys' take on how you were able to navigate kind of post-show up until now. Yeah, it was tough. I mean, yeah, listen, like I made some stupid mistakes that me and her have obviously talked about a million times during the show before it aired while it aired. that I wish I could take some of them back and unfortunately that's how you're judged and at the end of the day

like we're pretty thick skin and we know what we have we know what we had on the show we know what we've had since everyone who knows us here knows what we have and we just try not to let people get to us and like obviously you know I wish that I'm not judged off of you know

a few minutes where I acted like a child in front of tens of millions of people but I need to live with that and you know it's something that we've talked about and I'm just happy that I have her and that we're in a good place let's go back to that kind of infamous phone call situation listen I think that you everyone out there needs to have a little bit of empathy because a lot of things were happening at that moment and I know that like in that interview you were upset

because of Bailey going on a date with Andrew so put us in time in place and like what was going through your mind and through your heart? Yeah. Obviously, like, looking back and watching the show back, I shouldn't have been upset because I did go on a day, like, a day before. I think the reason why I was initially, like, really annoyed was that, you know, she kind of said that she was here for me. And in my mind, it wasn't like, oh, I'm here for you until someone else comes in.

But, like, looking back on it, I'm like, if I should go on a date, like, she should be allowed to go on a date, too. And I'd gone, I'd known Bailey for only a few days at that point. I went on a good date with the other girl. And I did have a good time. So it was just like a tough decision. And then like when you hear stuff like that and then I feel I felt like in the moment, obviously we've talked about it.

In the moment I felt betrayed. And then that kind of just like sticks in the back of your head. So then even like when she came back and chose me, it was still like in my mind for like a few days after that. And Bailey, for you watching it back, it's got to be tough. I remember being in your guys' issues, having to watch back hard moments. For you, what was going through my own year, having to watch a show back? Yeah, I feel like, and I've said this a few times, like, it was really hard to watch this entire season back.

Honestly, I feel like in the moment of Paradise, I gave so much grace because I totally understand. I think it's a really difficult space to be in, and it's still difficult to watch it back. but I also understand where everyone's minds are. I think it's really easy to feel insecure. I think it's really easy to doubt things. I think it's really easy to feel stressed. I think there's just so many emotions that you're processing. And unfortunately, you don't have a phone, like, to desensitize you or to, you know,

distract you from anything. Like, you really have to go head on with all of your emotions and everything that you're feeling. And the comments are hard to watch because I think most people that are starting their relationship don't have to watch it back from the beginning and see their partner having those moments of doubt or, you know, still juggling different people. And that's kind of how normal relationships work. Like, when you start talking to somebody, you don't know that they're not talking to other people. And I think it's really easy to just want Paradise to feel like these amazing, beautiful love stories that are like unicorns, but like they're unicorns. You know what I'm saying? Like it is.

And so I feel like for us coming out of it, it did just feel like kind of we got through a lot of the challenges that normal relationships would face in the beginning. And I think that's kind of how we've processed a lot of those moments. And obviously, I wasn't caught off guard by much. We've had a lot. We've had so many deep conversations about anything, about everything that was said and just everything that we went through. And so it's still hard to watch those things because, you know, like where we are now and how in love we are, It's like you have those moments where you're just like sad that that happened. But I also feel like that was just such a small part of our story.

And it's not like what sticks in the back of my head every day if that makes sense. Yeah. And I will say that like one thing that I definitely wish I would have changed is like when I was like just like talking out my ass, which I do a lot. I wasn't. Yeah. I wasn't doing it in the headspace like, oh, you know, if Bailey and I are together, like I should be way more thoughtful of like what she thinks watching this back. Yeah. It was kind of selfish and I was just like living in the moment and it was still in the beginning so I had no idea that we would actually be together and unfortunately like that is what our story was made and I couldn't be happier for for you know Justin Spencer and Alex and Andrew but to our credit as well we had a great love story and because of like a few days of things that happened it really like overtook everything and I think that was the hardest part for us which was really you know tough for both of us but especially Bailey is that we had this amazing love story.

story that like I never thought I'd find someone on the beach she never thought she would and no one really got to see that yeah I agree with that because I was Jeremy's roommate and you know regardless of what was going on even watching it back you know there's so many conversations that happened in the night but even just the way how affectionate he was with her and you know there was no doubt that you know they loved and cared for each other and you know so even just as a friend and someone else going through the experience and watching it back it was very very hard for me and i think you know there's a lot of situations within um you know the show that you didn't get to see some of those moments but they were down for each other um you know with without question i got to ask

like what do you think would have happened if susie had come back i probably would have been like oh fuck yeah what did i do by show of hands because this is a question that gets asked a lot online is who knew about this whole thing before or Bailey did. Well, there is levels. Yeah. Okay.

Let me. Yeah. Because there's different variations. Raise your hands. I'll go sit here. Here's what I will say. While we're on the beach, there are rumors that travel around

about anything and everything. Yeah. All day, every day. There's rumors of new people coming. There's rumors of this person kiss that person. There's rumors of this person said this to that person. If all of us spent all of our time taking upon ourselves to go and let everyone know about all the rumors about them, A, it would cause, you're wrong 90 plus, 90 plus percent of the time, first off.

Second off, you're focused on your person and your connection. And so when you hear a rumor about something happening, I was hearing. 12 plus rumors a day as was everyone here about everyone so this whole misnomer online of it being everyone else's responsibility to go and do something is just like it's a little frustrating to have that responsibility thrust upon you when a it's a rumor when you're hearing all these rumors already and b i'm spending all my time getting to know her respectfully to everyone here and I love, I hope everyone here has an awesome life. I think it takes so much bravery to come on a television show.

I think it takes so much bravery to put yourself in front of millions of people. At the end of the day, just here alone, there's 16 people. For 24-7, we were filmed. They have to capture that in, what, like 14 hours, sorry, 24 hours of television, all of our stories, everything that happened. So it just seems a little unfair to thrust that pontiff. anyone well I will say I knew about I guess a convert I knew that something happened in an interview room right watching it back Jeremy unfortunately if I knew all of the things that I saw

then I would have probably given you like maybe 24 hours before I told Bailey the thing is is that I think a lot of us are learning things in real time that we were unaware of to the extent and so it did fall on Brian to be the one to tell you based on the fact that that was said to him and I don't want to speak for anybody but I'll say for myself like I only knew about the phone call if that like and still it was like word of mouth where their mouth still did it know and i was also told that you were aware of it so that it was your responsibility to handle it right so if i but again i would never i never wanted bailey to feel embarrassed and unfortunately i think some of things that were said did embarrass her i understand that you guys want to handle your relationship

you didn't want her to feel embarrassed yes i the last thing i wanted was to for her to like watch it back and feel embarrassed based on like what was said but i just didn't know that things were said to the way they were and I'm not coming at you I'm just I want to give like because I'm also getting a lot of hate online because of it and I don't want to be that I I will own it like if I knew what I saw after like I would have probably said something to her or at least said something to you directly and said this is your responsibility to handle and I I just didn't know to the extent I don't think there was malintent I also think you're probably just talking about like we're all whispering around like oh my god Bailey knows that and the other we're going to keep it nervous is something for me

to talk about yeah I don't know what I don't know what you think but um Here's a thing. I will say this a thousand times. The first person that should have told me should have been Jeremy always. He should have told me every day of the week. I don't like denounce that or anything. I think the hard part is like I know the kind of person that I am. And so even when like when Ryan sent me the secret rendezvous note, I obviously had every single intention that I was going to tell Prisa after I had time to process it. Because when you're in paradise, the only person that you can really trust. is your I mean like I mean like I trusted my like my who I'm sharing a room with who is Alex and Jeremy do you know I'm saying so like that's who I'm trusting the most and I feel like that's where I don't know that's how I processed it I got the note and my first thought was like oh let me talk to Jeremy about this because like I didn't know what the intention was I thought it was sneaky and it came in a sneaky way and I've told Brian that I apologize for that because if I had known what was happening I would have definitely I don't I still wouldn't have done

the secret rendezvous because you don't know how things are going to going to be spun and I wouldn't have felt comfortable with that but I still would have you know I wouldn't have talked to Jeremy about it if I would have known it wasn't a sneaky way I think this is hard I don't blame everyone and I gave everyone so much grace while I was there because I understand it is such a tough situation to want to go outside of your relationship and have to tell someone something I also know the kind of person I am so I would have done that no matter what for any of my friends at any moment. That doesn't matter.

It's okay that other people wouldn't, and I can only speak to how I am as a person and what I would do. There's obviously moments where you just have lapse of judgment, and it's okay. I think the hard part for me, at least outside of this, has just been certain people's actions after that fact, because there I gave grace to everyone.

I was not mad at the girls. I told you guys, I'm not angry with you. And the only reason I blamed it on the girls is because I did not want Brian, to get under fire for it because Jeremy had no idea it came from Brian. So then what upsets you about it now? No, I think it's hard. You watch it back and you're like, I wish my boyfriend told me, I mean, Alex, I love you so much,

but I wish that my roommate and my best friend would have told me because, like, I left Paradise as Alex is my best friend and we're sharing a room every single night together. And I know you don't like to be involved in drama, and it wouldn't have, I don't think it would have had to be a whole dramatic thing and you know and i get it so i'm not mad at you about it obviously like andrew the tweets were the tweet was what really honestly like really hurt my feelings because i just gave everyone grace and i know it's a difficult situation so even outside of it i even knew the hate was going to pass like i processed it that night of like watching everything back and i have received so much hate this season it's been really really horrible

and those of my friends that have been there for me know that I have really just been like very just keeping to myself because it has been really hard to process it all. I didn't want to bring anyone else more hate because I have known what that's like because also like I receive hate on Grant season two. So like obviously I wasn't going to call Brian any mean names. He's already getting at that point he was already getting a ton of hate and I didn't want him or Prisa getting more hate. like I think that's kind of how I tried to move with every podcast you do and the things that you say like all of our words unfortunately hold weight whether we like it or not so I think that that's a really it's just it's hard it's really hard and I'm not mad at everyone I think for me like I wanted us to all have each other's backs and that's how I was trying to act and that's why I didn't speak ill about anyone in any moment even when it's like silly to make jokes about other people you know what I mean like that wasn't my intention and um yeah and i'm and i wasn't mad at the girls in that moment and i still gave everyone grace and i still give everyone grace now because it obviously should have been jeremy that told me first and that's really all i can all i can say is yeah well someone that some that's

hold on some of this is getting a lot of heat online is Alex right like so a lot of this is directed towards you looking back would you have done anything differently or how do you feel about it now as you look back. So I've already owned up to it from the start, even before it aired to Bailey, and I apologize multiple times. And I should have told you from, you know, the phone call. One thing that, you know, I'll say it didn't hurt my feelings. You know, I considered you a really good friend, Jeremy, before going in. And when you told me about the phone call, you know, you kind of said, we've talked about it. It's good and kind of like letting me know to like stay out of it type of thing. Because you guys never told you that. I talked to the phone call.

were in front of the island and you just said you had just talked to Bailey and you said um you know I've talked to as I said I said I mean I wish we could have the tape no I might have said like I'll take care of it but I never said that I told I talked to her about it not about the phone call but you said we're talking we're good that's what I'm saying so basically kind of like anyways it doesn't matter I should have told you yeah maybe like we're good like I'm going to talk to her about I never I don't understand like why she told you and you didn't do anything with the information is all I'm saying So if everyone told you, why is it, why is everyone taking flack for something? No, I don't think that, I don't think that everyone should be taking the flag.

Wait, wait, wait, okay, hold on. I just feel like, and here's the thing with the tweet, it wasn't directed to bringing hate to you. My thing was, I'm sitting here with my partner. She's destroyed. I'm not going to sit here why you had any ample time to get on Twitter to be like, hey, direct hate at me or I don't know my responsibility, Twitter, Instagram, whatever the case. My thing is, you never took accountability. You never once apologize.

to Alex for everything going on. Like, I would reach out. Nobody wanted to be in this situation. I'm not sure. Happy Hour. I do not care. Go listen to it. I took accountability.

Bro, you never talked to her. What time did you ever text her one time? Dude, I've been getting tens of thousands of comments. And I reached out to you. I reached out to you. You reached out when you knew you were about to get heat for five. We had to Chicago. I'm sorry.

We apologized. We facetined you every week. Wait, wait, here's the thing. What are you talking about? You came to visit in Chicago. No, I know. We had the most fun trip to Chicago. So I think that's why I would

was so caught off guard because we and Alex I'm going to say this I didn't know that Jeremy was the first person to tell you about the call and so I think that's why it threw me off when I watched it back but in regards to us having like apologies and everything I don't want you to catch the flack for it obviously you called me when you you know you and Andrew called me while I was in Portugal when you realized that like you were receiving some hate for it but I know I'm not saying that it's bad and I don't want you to I don't want you to receive it hadn't aired we message every day like no every every every episode we talked about it we called you we all had a group message and we talked about things but so I'm just going to say one thing what one thing that did and I obviously want to I don't want to rehash it because I obviously love you what I was going to say is what hurt my feelings is you know we had talked it out and we you guys came to visit us in Chicago and I thought we were good and it did really was surprising to me and caught me off guard that I learned publicly that it was brought up again and it felt like the blame was put on me on a podcast

and that you didn't care about the phone call but it was more me not telling you and you're so allowed to feel that way but it just felt like there was no accountability towards Jeremy and that really hurt me because I wish that could have been put been said privately because we had talked no I understand that I'm taking accountability both public and prime wait one second all I'm going to say is I said on the podcast that Jeremy should have been the first person to tell me I also said on the podcast they asked me what I would do in that situation They didn't ask me who I blame. Why answer that question, though?

Everyone gets to say how they're feeling. I also get to say how I'm feeling. The reason that it hurt is because I'm, every single night, looking across from you, we're sharing so many secrets about our life. We're sharing everything. And I just thought that you actually had my back the entire time. And that's why it hurt because I'm watching it back. Like, yeah, this is my boyfriend.

But, like, at that point, I knew him for, like, 10, 12 days. So I'm sorry if that, that's why an eating. Even after I left, I wasn't even mad about it. I swear to God, like, even when I did the happy hour past, like, I said, I wouldn't do that, but I understand that people are in difficult situations. People don't want to be built. Yeah, won't want to be dragged into drama. And I totally get that and understand it.

I am so sorry that everyone had to receive hate. Anyone that knows me knows that, unfortunately, Paradise was not an amazing experience for me. And every single day, I was not in a good mental head space, especially after I had to send Leslie and Gary home. I was just going through it So I understand In the moment People not acting to things

Not wanting to act on rumors And I have never blamed anyone for that Unfortunately what did hurt Is the tweet because I was like I have been wanting to protect all of my friends These people that I've been with these Like I don't want them receiving any more hate I know how it feels

And so I am so sorry Because I'm sorry It's not that I wasn't trying to But I'm processing it in that moment Andrew Like I wouldn't even upset with it I'm not upset with you at all. Or I'm not, like, the tweet wasn't at you. My thing was, it's still literally at you.

Like, when we were on the Paradise, the TV show, everybody was going after Brian when this all happened. Now everyone's after Journey, make it make sense. Because you guys watch it back. Can I just say, no, can I just finish? Here's the thing. Brian and I have a conversation and you know what the energy was. That was not the energy towards you saying, I said, if you would have told you, you told man to man, you hang out with him, you work out with him, you go eat with him, you're always in his room.

As a guy that feels like that's a friend of mine, I would have loved you to come to me and be like, hey, if you don't tell her, I'll go tell. That was a conversation I had with you, and I said you should treat prehist better. That's all I said to you. In what context, treat her better, though? Like, in what context?

You were angry, and the way you verbalized and talk to her? I just didn't like her. You never even witnessed it, though. You can't talk about this situation without talking about Brian, and I want to hear your thoughts about this whole situation. Yeah, I just think there's a crazy energy shift right now in the room.

I know that rose ceremony. I was the only one targeted. So was my relationship with Parisa, specifically what Andrew just said, like the way I treated her and, like, things that were completely taken out of context with, even like Spencer had spoke to me towards the end of the season. Like, listen, he's like,

I think a lot of things were taken out of context that I might not have actually seen that I just heard through rumors, 12 rumors a day. And, like, truthfully, that that was the case between us. Like, I wasn't mistreating her in any other way. Like, you know, we've had our ups and downs and things like that. But that became, like, a primary focus and I became a primary target when it's being completely taken off of everybody who hasn't actually said something to the person.

Can I just say one more thing? So the reason I didn't tell you Bailey is because me and Jeremy had a friendship outside of this. And you had even told me you were very interested in Bailey before coming in. So I knew that. And when the whole date with Andrew happened, he was very upset, obviously. And you came to me and you did say, you know, you know me the best, like who should I pick? And I said, I don't know Bailey, you know, outside of this that much. We weren't really close.

but I said I've grown to love her really well, and I think you guys would pair really well. And I know you were angry the next day when she went on a date with him, and I understood that as like, you know, maybe your ego was bruised, and I gave you kind of grace knowing that you really, really liked her,

and you had told me that. So the whole phone call thing, I did tell you to tell her, but the reason I didn't tell you was because I didn't want to jeopardize something that I thought would be really, really well. And that's the only reason I didn't tell you. If I felt there was any vindictive thing or malintent,

I would have told you. I never, yeah, and I never thought that you were keeping it from me because of all these random conspiracies about whatever, about, you know, about, about, about you and it. Like, it's not about that. I, and that's why, honestly, I just wanted everyone to leave this, all of us being friends, and that's what I thought we did leave with. You know what I'm saying? And so, I'm not mad at you for it.

I'm so sorry that you receive hate, and I'm sorry that we didn't reach out, but I think it's just because we've been receiving so much hate. It's really just been way too overwhelming for me. Like, I haven't been able to do, like, yeah, I haven't been able to do normal things. We understand that. I will say, speaking of the hate, thank you to Dale and to Spencer and Sean and Layan and Jonathan for reaching out. That's what's crazy because she called you and texted you all the time. And I texted you and that it happened.

And Alex, I did see that. And so I think I was just very thrown off obviously by the tweet and I was just like, oh, I was thinking that like we were good. But it had nothing. I didn't think she was. And I know. wasn't even with it. And then you're like, and I told you, I texted you that morning because I was so grateful that you reached out to me. And I was so thrown off after getting sent it. I was like, oh, like, maybe I was like, you know, placing so much hold on these friendships and they weren't actually like translating. And so I'm sorry. I just wasn't in the place to be able to talk to either. I know. Because it really did throw me off because I was just like, it does just feel like your world is crashing down. And I'm really sorry that people receive hate because like, I think we can all test to it. It's. It's. It's. horrible and sometimes people take things way too far

and I wanted us to be able to I came here and I didn't really have any bad intent I honestly wasn't even going to talk about it if it wasn't going to be brought up because like I just don't think it's necessary and I don't want you guys receiving and I don't want anybody receiving hate and it's just it's really shitty

I don't know if you're allowed to use but it's a podcast you can say shitty I want to get some opinions about some opinions from other people like Alicia it seems like you want to say something about the situation. Well, you and Sean, I always got something good to say. No, I stand by Bailey. I think I can vouch for Bailey's character. She's a very genuine person. I've been friends with her before this season, and I know who I'm looking at when I see her.

So that's all that I see. And I see Jeremy, the guy that I've met who truly loves her. And I think like every relationship, it comes to a point where you're going to be tested one way or another. and this was a very bizarre way for them to be put to the test. But I think it's clear at the end of the day. They both tremendously care for each other and they have each other's back. And as a friend of Bailey, I support her no matter what. And I hope that they're both happy and you guys look like you're killing it. So you have my full support.

And I feel like I want us all to be able to move on from this and not have it like looming over our heads. And I'm not mad. I, you know, like I feel like I have to release like any hurt or anything on everyone. Like, you know, it just, it has to be released so that we can all move on from this because I want it to be for something that we can all be connected. I want us to all be friends after this. And, yeah, it's obviously hard. I don't know.

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That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professional. and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.

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The Puzzler is the best place to get your daily word puzzle fix. Listen on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, it's going to get harder because I have fan questions now. All right. Are these fans or the terrible people that sit behind a freaking screen and judge people? It's Wells is always like bartender 2-1-2. Donna Adams at AOL.com. Oh, Adams.

That's my mom. Fan question, Brian, did you ever have any other intentions? going into the secret rendezvous, if you could do it all over again, would you still tell Bailey the truth? There were no other intentions going into the secret rendezvous. And now I stand by what I did.

And then follow up, why did you take so long to be vocal to others about your conversation with Bailey? Because I knew the repercussions. Unfortunately, I knew how the crowd around me would react. Obviously, clearly,

after the viewership's response, their reactions are different. but I knew how they would react in the time we were on the island so I was hesitant but at the same time again I own what I did this is a fan question kind of for everyone why was everyone so nervous

about Brian doing the same thing to them that he did to Jeremy were there more secrets that people didn't want revealed I don't think that that was a big thing like Brian was my homie and I I'm close with Brian right now like my thing was because I feel like a lot of times

I was like hey let me know what the deal is so we can work it out but it was never about Brian did nothing wrong I was just like bro let me know what the deal is so you know I can support you obviously Jeremy was my roommate and we had talked about the situation

and everything so I didn't think about like something that like it would be done to me per se I just it was more probably like are you like if you know I'm in your corner like you know just let me know what the deal is but I can understand from his situation too because it's a hostile environment and you don't want to be sent home and then you're you're trying to build this relationship but I don't think it was more about like a malicious thing I was just like keep it 100 with me you know if I'm your boy yeah well I feel like we could probably do three podcasts just on this one thing but I think it's just I think it's probably time to move on. Brian, Bachelor Nation is dying to know what is your favorite color and why was it so hard for you to let Parisa know?

Yeah, Brian. You know, Leah helped me out with this today. My favorite color is fuchsia. He has a favorite color. I don't even know what fuchsia looks like, but that's my favorite color. He was confused. is wonderful now you know Teresa um let's talk about your relationship with Brian how did you guys first connect and tell us about the beginning days of that relationship um when I

stepped on that beach Brian really stood out and he was very outgoing um very tall that caught my attention and thanks for the compliment yeah and um yeah yeah like I just kind of from there I just wanted to get to know him and I also at that time I liked that I didn't know him I didn't know a lot of people here so I liked that like going in blind where then I can kind of just like fill in the blanks to get to know him instead of having like this a bias mindset now you guys left together but what's the relationship status now well we tried and it just came down to really I feel like like having different schedules. I think also too, I wanted something different in a relationship compared to what Brian wanted. Nothing wrong with that. I feel like a lot of this comes down to compatibility.

That's okay. And yeah, I mean, we tried and it just got to a point of like, okay, I think we just need to like wave our white flag and we kind of just move on. All right, so you guys gave it the old college try. Didn't work out, but are you guys both single like what's going on in your lives relationship wise well I I'm seeing someone now and and yeah I mean it's his name but I mean it's it was I don't know it was

the whole process everything was just so hard it was hard and confusing and I guess yeah I mean I reached a point where I mean like anybody when you just keep trying and trying like you just you hit that wall and you're like okay well i mean i can keep trying keep wasting time and or i just just move on and i mean i'm not getting any younger and neither is he so it's jeez i mean no brian brian watching it back is there anything that you wish you would have done differently when it came to your relationship with parisa i think at the B-IP VIP

suite and maybe I could answer what my favorite color was or I just made one up yeah could have done that it was a long day

in feathers man in that outfit that we were in which I totally understand but I will say just at the end of the day like it was a long day for all of us

we were all hot all hungry all in feathers for hours and yeah I mean that was just a moment it was tough because like

that was That was a huge thing, especially to win. Yeah, when the VIP VIP suite is huge. Yeah, I did it for you guys. You did. I had a moment, and I did it. Yeah. I will say this, though.

I read exactly what went down as they've been on camera all day. They were told they get to go to a VIP suite. They're still filming us, and then you got salty. That's how I read it. Just because I know how the sausages made. That's what happens. Like four or five hours. Yeah.

Like we thought we were actually going to enjoy the entire thing together. Yeah. I was just, I was hoping that we could just, we could have adapted to the situation and know like if we could just put a smile on for the last, you know, 10 minutes. Then it's like, okay, then we, we get what we worked hard for and what we want. And now we can enjoy it. It was just a moment of like where adapting would have been really nice.

But it's, but I will, like, we are all living for the first time. It's okay. This was a new experience. for all of us and I want to say like I don't it was a mistake whatever but I don't want that to ever be held against someone and then they are labeled as that forever and it's all that matters is that we look back we recognize things and then we use that to grow and you know next time like if any situation like this ever happens it's like okay like you're going to exhale adapt to it and just move on and just tell them your favorite color yeah yeah that would have been easiest right all right

Bachelor Nation, that's going to do it for part one of Bachelor in Paradise Unplugged. Make sure to stay tuned. Part two of our Paradise Reunion will be airing Friday, September 5th, and streaming everywhere you get your podcasts. We'll see you soon. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush, parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christ. Christmas toys. Then, everything changed.

There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Just a chaotic, chaotic scene. In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged. Terrorism. Listen to the new season of Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boy. Boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Wes West, Prop here from Hood, with Prop Podcasts, you know I get down.

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