Bachelor Happy Hour - Exclusive: Bachelor in Paradise Unplugged Part 2

Episode Date: September 5, 2025

We're back for part 2 of "Paradise Unplugged,” the hottest reunion of the summer, hosted by Wells Adams. Things are heating up  as we dive into the stickiest drama of the season. Sean gets grilled on his “strategies," Kathy gets called out for her votes, and it all comes to a head with Allyshia and Kat finally hashing out their beef. The two get into everything; from the iPad boyfriend rumors to bad behavior allegations. Plus, what was Kat's relationship status with her ex? Who was Allyshia talking about during her and Sean's very dramatic exit? Tune in now to hear all this and so much more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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of Bachelor and Paradise Unplugged. We're going to be jumping right back back in where we left off. You can't talk about Paradise without talking about the Parliament of Paradise. Sean, where the hell did this come from? Tell us the birth story of the Parliament of Paradise. Yeah, I still haven't gotten paid for the T-shirts they're making on this idea, so I'll be collecting checks afterwards.

Yeah, no, I actually was really hoping it would turn into Survivor. Apparently, no one else had ever heard of that game before. For me, it was like, at this point, like, what people have to understand is, The Parliament of Paradise, there was maybe four or five days left to filming when that happened. Like, we were all getting sent home at a rapid pace. I looked around the room and I was like, don't really have many friends from my season here. I came in last as the guys. I didn't have a roommate.

I'm like thinking about when we're voting off people. Like, we're fucked. Like, we're literally going home in two days. So if you can try to make something work before in, you try to give security to people, it obviously flopped. No one really saw my vision. But I will say I fucking, I called everything. The jury coming back.

I had it all mapped out. I was like Charlie Day, like the Pepe Sylvia in the mail scene, like connecting the dots. Yeah. So, yeah, it didn't work out. But, hey, like, if I didn't do that, like, I would have been sent home two days later anyway. Like, you know, I just sat there and played the game, like, everyone else would have been. We were going to gone. Wait, can I just add one thing?

Please. When you sat down with Keith and me and you said, like, I was wondering what the hell had happened to you? Like, you just went off on this thing. What did I say specifically? And then you said to Keith and me, like, we are the strongest relationship here. Ooh, okay. And I was, wait, and I said, go ahead.

I said, no, you're not. And it was like, oh, you said they were this. Oh, you're saying you said they were. You said to me, we are the strongest relationship. And I looked you straight in the I and said, no, you're not. It's crazy. Yeah, whether or not we are the strongest relationship or not, I don't think you know what the fuck you were talking about.

Excuse me? Like, here's the thing. Here's the thing. No, no, here's the thing. And this is a big part of the entire season. Everyone's judging each other's relationships. On the mention of Brian and Prisa, Alicia, myself, everyone's relationships. You're not there in the moments.

Everyone's having this idea of people's relationships. And I thought it was really ridiculous for people to put themselves in those conversations with them at night. When we're sleeping together, when they're sharing the moments. So, like, when you're voting off the strongest relationship, we don't really know because we're not behind close to us. Wait, wait. Sean, I love you to pieces. But I think everybody here would acknowledge that just, and Spencer, who, by the way, are engaged in case you missed that detail, are the strongest relationship here. Now, I love Andrew and Alex, and they're strong, and Bailey, they're strong.

And Keith and I, by the way, are announcing our engagement here tonight. Yeah. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I wasn't listening. I still think you and Keith could be a strong relationship. What? Make out. Kiss, kiss.

I think all the friend couple should kiss right now. Oh, spicy. Yeah. I closed my eyes. I closed my eyes. I did too. I do the bone to pick of Kathy though. Hold on.

Hold on. I do have one. What's your bone to pick a coffee is? You said it wasn't about the money that it's about love. Huh? But you did go ahead and vote off Parisa and I. Paris and me. Parisa and I.

Sorry. I was in English. major um i think you're wrong on that one too i am not it is a direct object it is not a subject but we can discuss that later i'm right trust me summa cum laude college graduate i am right okay i voted honestly i voted you guys for and i will tell you not to stay on the show i will tell you why i voted you off we voted you off keith i voted you i know you almost cried about We voted you off because we looked around and we looked to see who had the strongest relationships. And Parisa particularly was very unhappy and so stressed about your relationship.

And what I said to Parisa was you two need to go home and figure out whether this is something that can work. because this is causing you stress and you're not happy. And you know what Prysa said to me? You're right. Yes. We had this conversation. We had this conversation.

So I stand by my decision. Yeah, you knew I was ready to go. Yeah, I did. I stand by that. I don't know how many couples came up to me. You know, voting is getting ready happen. They go, we've got the strongest relationship here. You told me this.

You told me this. I didn't talk to Jeremy. I give you a hard time, but, you know, we didn't. until the very end, very, very end. And I voted you off then, too. Wait, hold on. But no, I wanted the golden skull. It was tough vote, you know, when you talk about,

again, I like Bachelor in Paradise and I think it's about love, and I even, in the stabbing one, I put a dagger in my own back saying, who didn't deserve to be here? And we didn't deserve to be here. But when it comes to voting, I had to vote off somebody, and I wasn't, and I wasn't

ready to go. I wanted to hopefully help the people that had strong relationships continue on. That was our goal. But you guys did vote for platonic couples to stay over romantic couples that were involved. And that's the bone I'm trying to pick. Which is a fair question. This is a fair question. You guys weren't in a relationship. You were in a friendship and you were still able, you can say that you really were wanting love to win but then voting differently. And I think that's a fair question. That's a fair question. The one, it's what Alicia just said.

I did vote people out and kept Jonathan and lay instead, but probably if I'd look back on it, I would do things differently, maybe, but. 20, 20 times I keep, you know, I love you. I'm fine. Just from, I'm fine. I did it in the moment. And when I listen to everybody here, you know, even the arguments that we've had, I just want you guys to know you're 20 and 30 years old and you're learning life still.

I mean, I'm still learning at 63 years old. I still learn things every single. Really? I've learned stuff from all of you on this show, and you'll always grow, and you will always learn about the individuals around you and your friendships and everything. And so I'm still learning about myself at times.

Okay, okay, we get it. We want you to be the Golden Bachelor. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Hold on, no priest wants to say something. Golden bachelorette? I really, just from reflecting on my conversations with Kathy, I really think with how she voted, with voting us off,

I think it honestly came from a really good place because I, I mean, I was very vocal about our relationship and I would go to her all the time and I just kept saying, like, I'm miserable being in this environment and I love the challenges because I thought it really helped me get to know Brian more and it really helped shed a lot of layers. However, the environment, everything shifted when it became a game show and it was, I was, I was, was spiraling every day and I mean and I didn't want you to suffer that pain anymore I'm a mom and I care and she was so unhappy and I wanted her to go home and and for Brian and preces see if they could make it work outside of this and I was hurting me to see her so unhappy and I was

vocal about saying like you know it might make her happy $250,000 no but you would think I was vocal telling her that yeah I told her I signed up for the old paradise of you know having all that time on the beach. And she wouldn't split it with me so I sent her home. I will say though like we want to put this like strongest couple you know title on everybody but I

always saw us all be like very individual couples even the platonic ones it's hard to like put a voting criteria based on what you determine as strong whether it's time compatibility or whatever you think it's all subjective right so I always said that the love that was

grown between the couples we're all just like individualized love and I think really that it's strong in its own way I don't think it's fair to say that one couple is stronger than another and relationships develop at different stages and different levels I really learned that through Andrew and Alex right like they came in later and it was new love but it was real love and it was like really beautiful to see but you're so locked in and you're so focused on it. But, you know, some people committed early. Some other people had to feel it out.

Like, our worlds are so, so different. And our needs are so, so different. So, you know, it's like, I think a lot of times it's like, did you want to, I think also too, like some of us might have been envious of what other people had. Not like in a way of like we're obsessing about it. But we all want those things, right? Yeah.

So if there's a hierarchy, it could have been placed by that. But I think, like, everyone has relationships that develop at different stages. And no one can say what's stronger or what, because it's not about, like, how you start. It's how you finish. And at the end of the day, if you're happy and you find your person, nothing else matters. Yeah. Well, listen, it's all relative. And also, no one in Bachelor Nation has done a show like this.

So the rules of, like, well, who's the. the strongest relationship that no one there's no precedent for that so I think that for all the viewers out there needs to be a little bit of grace but I'd like to go back to the Parliament of Paradise because I think this was the dumbest name you can't give like your own you can't give yourself your own nickname and you can't you know well the Timbo on the Parliament of Paradise well the funny thing was like we were spitball on that idea and then there's probably gonna cut like in the interview we're like what should we call it I'm like man I don't know like jury appears I don't

know Parliament of Paradise and it stuck and here we are now okay T-shirts. I have a fan question for Alicia. How did it feel to walk in and your friends were talking about sending you and Sean home? It was like that a knife in my gut. That's truly the closest comparison I'd imagine it felt like. I was caught off guard at first and I would say my first thoughts were I must be misinterpreting this and then Alex you were really forthcoming with like, you know, let's address the elephant in the room. We were having this conversation and I feel like we squash it between the women we were mature enough to be able to come together as not only just friends but as individuals and grown women and look at each other

in the eyes and say you know how we're feeling and to this day I believe Bailey and I believe Alex that they did have my back and they were good friends and I think it's a very very difficult position to be in so I think everybody does deserve a little bit of grace however I think going back to the strongest couples Sean obviously we were not the strongest couple I think we can all agree on that however we were a real couple and there was a real romance there

so I do feel jaded for anybody who did decide to vote us off before platonic couples and that I'll stand by one thing that I think a lot of the viewers were wondering is how aligned were you guys with the plan that Sean had laid out for the Parliament of Paradise

because it seems like you maybe weren't so much on board I think so for me the plan that was always discussed was you keep the couples that were there for love we're here for love that's what we all entered into this endeavor on and so for me that was the way we were going to proceed until it got to the inevitable point that we were voting for our friends and then at that point honestly for me I think it was cross that bridge when you get there Sean and I multiple multiple times voted very differently there's times that he voted for Brian and Prisa to go and And that's my girlfriend and her guy. So I'm not going to do that. And I think that's really what a strong couple is, is you can respect each other's differences and stand by them. I'd never felt pressure to vote the way that he did. And I don't think I placed that same kind of pressure on him.

And I think, yeah, we were both on the same page of keeping everybody who's there in a relationship up until the point that you are going to have to send people home. You guys had a pretty crazy slash iconic exit of Paradise. Anything that you would have changed or done differently? No, but also, like, you know, that's why I love Sean. He's got, he speaks his mind. He speaks his truth.

And I think that we both, that resonates with one another. So at the same time, hindsight, yeah, 2020, we'd all probably do something a little bit differently. But I don't regret it. I think I've seen personalities come out from this show. I've learned everything I need to know about these people. And I think I'm moving on with some friendships that will continue and some that are probably I'm going to fizzle out, and that's just the reality of life. Not everyone's going to be each other's best friends, and that's okay.

I think we've got to stop projecting hate on one another for just having differences, because I think we've all received that, and there's truly no one who's a bad person on this cast who has malintentions. I think it's just differences of opinions. That's a perfect opportunity to get to my next question, which is a fan question. Who specifically were you talking about during your dramatic exit speech from Paradise? Bailey and Alex specifically. At that point, I thought that they'd both voted me off because I thought they both voted the same way as their partners, which at that point, you know, everyone was kind of saying, we're voting off Sean, but we weren't. We're voting on the women. So that did mean that you were putting my, holding up my name and putting me, you know, to be going home. So at that point, I felt like, wow, I can't trust anyone. The guy who I'm here with is going behind my back and like propaganda, having these campaigns that he's telling us. me he's not going to do and at the same time the two girls who I felt closest to were also I walked into a room and for the first time I heard that I was going home that night so

specifically that night I was talking about Bailey and Alex and I wanted to see how the rest of the season played out and see how everybody voted and we've spoken since yeah I think it's like what you said you mentioned like I think in a relationship it's you can accept each other's differences and many times I would have ever ever and a lot of it was like I can't vote my girlfriend's off so he would be like you know we're going to go I'm I'm going to go with this, and I just couldn't do it. And we've talked all right, obviously. But so, yeah, of course, it was like a shock to me because I thought we had, you know,

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Oh, I mean, well, Alicia, you feel the most comfortable speaking about someone else's experience. So why don't you go ahead and take it away? What do you want me to speak on? I guess anything that you feel comfortable speaking on since you've already have. Ask me a question. I'll answer. I just thought that it was, like, kind of hypocritical for you to speak on, like, speaking negatively or projection or anything, when, like, you took it upon yourself to speak so publicly about someone else's a situation without having... having a conversation with me at all.

We did have conversations, Kat. I don't think any question, there are, actually no, I know for a fact. There was no questions. There was no direct outreach, nothing. So I will say our first interaction. Wait, wait, wait. I wasn't, please. I was not done.

There was no outreach post-filming during filming, I guess when things were found or discussed, right? But even post-filming, it just felt like I was extremely hurt. So I'm sorry if I'm coming on, like I'm having. side conversations is just like taking me back by like things like that being said when you felt so comfortable speaking about a situation not only a situation but my character someone else's situation without having a conversation with me first with or at least like for me feeling like you got that took the time to get to know me and so I was just really disappointed and it really

took me by surprise to see the things that were said in interview to say any of that and you're allowed to feel the way you feel I just wish that a conversation conversation was had between me prior. I hear you, and I think your feelings are so valid. I will say my first interaction with you Kat, Night One, coming in, you asked me, I don't know if you remember this, to take a picture of the group of women, and you turn to me and you pass me at the camera, and you ask me to take a picture of everyone. That's not a girl's girl.

That's not a nice thing to do. You then proceeded to set up the rose ceremony. Jess, you were also involved in this, and you're sitting there going, my man wouldn't touch you with a tan foot pole. This is my first night in. like that's just wait what when were we talking about you right behind me we were not talking about okay you don't think that that would make somebody who's just coming to paradise though like 10 days the last person in a little bit you think we were when you asked me hey I overheard because you guys were

because you guys were never warm you never came into perisa me and preisa's room we were never included in any of the girls thing I came in very much a divide I came and got ready with you guys like I'm sorry should we talk about that please wait wait I'm sorry that was your experience like I never meant to like make you feel excluded at all and if I did I do that by accident a lot like I'm in my own world and so that was never my intention was to ever make you feel excluded so I can see why I made you feel that way but also I was trying to be your friend like the night of the parlor like him crashing out like you were emotional and I came up to you to check on you yeah and I think that's where like the biggest for me like that was the first time you've reached out to me it was the night that I'm going it just felt very artificial and to be completely honestly like I had 10 days of getting to know Sean and like everybody's echoed we have really placed the emphasis on spending time with our our person and getting to know them I went to bed every single night in Sean's bed hearing how good of a person you are how nice and sincere you are that you were misunderstood that I have it wrong that you do you don't mean to exclude me

that you were really mean well and that I have to just give you another shot that is the conversations that were every like truly a lot of nights oh yeah you walked in and already hated me so why would I already hate I didn't know you before I walked in baby girl I didn't know who you were exactly and you still don't but you still feel very comfortable speaking about me and who I am in my past without having any conversation enough you haven't seen anything you haven't even tried to see anything so how would you feel let me ask you this if a polygraph test was to be administered how would you feel it take it girl tomorrow morning 10 a.m. because I have an

appointment with the best FBI agent in the state of California you're a fucking weirdo is that a weird no why does bother you so much. It doesn't bother me. It clearly does. Like, I have affected you to a level that I've never experienced and I've done nothing to you. I wasn't going to come at you, Han, but when you're telling me that I'm lying, I'm allowed to stand up for myself. You're not a nice person. Multiple people know that. The way you spoke to the cast, the way you spoke to production, the way you spoke to the maids and the bartenders. Does anybody agree? Since the cast, do you want to speak for the cast, do you want to speak for the cast now to speak up?

I will say, and I've talked to say, Allie, yeah, go ahead. Didn't you want to speak for everybody else? So you want them speak for themselves for once. I'm sorry that that is the experience that you had. I'm not going to discredit your opinion. You can feel however you feel about me. I will say, I don't feel that about myself to the level that you have expressed, and I can actually say for a fact

that people that are close to me and know who I am would not even say those things. So if you think that I'm rude and whatever, like I actually don't care. But for you to take it to the level that you did and put such an emphasis on my character, I have a profession. I'm not done.

I have a profession. I have a career. I have a family. You didn't put any of that. into any account telling the truth no that's my everyone's allowed to have an opinion you're a lot to have an opinion but you are also so wrong about so many things and it's crazy to have an opinion about something without having conversation with that person or at least fact-checking yourself and I'm not

gonna sit here and defend myself at all all I had to say was that it hurt my feelings you be who you want to be you do what you want to do sign up as many polygraphs as you need to do for anyone to make yourself feel better but I'm with this good it's dead it for good it seems like you want to speak to this so well no I see what Alicia is saying though it's like yes this has come up many times where us girls will talk about something like I would go to Alicia I would go to Bailey or Alex and I would say something I'm personally experiencing and I'm upset and that's the first thing that these girls would say to me why don't you confront this person why don't you talk about it have this conversation and

I don't know I can't speak on your behalf but for me it's more of like a conversation isn't welcomed it's at the end of the day like the environment that we are in and how we are made to feel it's like there's no light at the end of the tunnel like if i were to go and talk about this how i'm feeling i would be putting a larger bull's eye on my back at the end of the day it's still a competition and i would be turned into an aggressor now i'm and i don't want that like i'm feeling a certain way like i'm able for me, I'm just going to sweep how I'm feeling under the rug and move on. It's like, whatever. But then I think about it and like when we would talk about how we felt, it's like,

why are we shrinking ourselves to keep the peace? And if we are feeling a certain way, like, why don't we, you know, speak up and talk about, I mean, this was after the fact reflecting. But it's like, you're in an environment where like, it's, you create a problem when you go to someone and talk about how you feel when you are looking for resolution at the end of that conversation. It's like this is, I don't want to, I'm not trying to attack anybody. I want to like work through something, but it was just unfortunate like that. Just how the environment was where we didn't feel comfortable to talk about it. Yeah. I mean, I will say there was one point on Paradise that I was assigned roommates to be with Kat and you kind of threw an entire fit that you're not having a

roommate. You're the only person who was assigned because you didn't want a roommate with me. Wait, what? No, I walked up to my room and all of a sudden hit Parisa's name. That's like an actual lie. Teresa was roommate with me because you- Wow, that is, you should be the one to take the polygraph because that is crazy, girl. I walked up. There's a reason I said, oh, I have a roommate. There's a reason I said it up.

And then she never moved in because she was with you. I'm just saying that was a chance for us to be able to connect. I tried, and I'm sorry if it didn't connect in the way you wanted to. And I'm sorry if I ever made you feel like a bully. Like, I realized that you sent that DM. Um, I thought we were friends. Like, when you came to me about Brian, I thought I really saw myself in you. Dale I stood up as many times even after the show I am a very passionate person I care really

deeply and I know that sometimes I can be taken out of context and I've really tried to be a little bit more outside of myself and see that how everybody has different sensitivity levels because honestly a lot of things don't bother me and I expect everybody else to feel the same but I've realized that's not the case so if I ever made you feel like it was in a safe environment you too I'm sorry that's never my intention ever it's coming from a place of love. So when I hear these things that are being said, I did not know where that was coming from. I would have loved to have had a conversation. If I made it unsafe for you, again, that was, I'm sorry. I just care really hard and sometimes I don't know how to express it.

Thank you for apologizing. And I'll say, I apologize as well, if anything came across from my end that felt combative or like it was an attack to you because it really was. And I felt like I was speaking my truth and I was kind of getting catching strays for doing so. And that was just my experience but I definitely believe in turning the cheek and like giving everybody a second chance so I'd love to squash this and move forward with you cat I really would and I'll just say also give a week as clearly like did I hurt y'all's feelings too like did I hurt your guys's feelings too I think anybody else and I've told you this before cat and I've said it throughout the season you I'm very sensitive and you I've told you this you're so funny it's like you have such good

intention what you're delivering you're so sassy and like the way you say things sometimes if someone doesn't know your heart I think they can misinterpreted interpret it. But once you get to know you, you are a very passionate person. And I will say, like, I don't, like, I wouldn't have gone through all the season with all the hate that I got through, you know, because of you. So I want to say thank you so much for that. Um, and I can't speak on Alicia, you know, different dynamics. I get it. But I think sometimes it's just a delivery. And if you just need to get, and you know that, we've talked about it. But you do have a good heart. So I just wanted to. I just, yeah, it was just a lot of things were said that did affect

my personal life and yeah I just wish that more time was spent to understand who I was before things were said was so much intent like fact listen we can't talk about season 10 of Bachelor in Paradise without talking about the biggest thing the biggest shakeup

that happened this season which was the jury appears everyone returning Brian I wanted to ask you what was your thought and how were you feeling when you heard that you were coming back to the beach I was happy to be back and um i mean just the way things went on again with i would interpret as the bailey situation like really put a target on myself i don't really think it was the dynamic between paris and i

and i was happy to come back and make a decision on who i thought should leave with the money and who i thought was the strongest couple not really with like a revenge or spiteful standpoint but But I thought it was a good touch. Fan question for Alicia. You and Sean came back, dropped a cat bomb. You mentioned having no regrets. Do you still feel that way? Absolutely.

I will never regret being honest. I'll never regret being myself. And that's exactly what I did. And if I went back, I would do it again. Now we've had this conversation, Kat. I would say I would have probably potentially had it with you. I'll be completely honest. Our biggest concern was like,

We thought that because you had lied about certain things, like the way that it was going to be misconstrued was... What did I lie about? I don't think it helps, like, go back. No, I would love to know what you think I lied about. Okay. You were in a relationship. I was in a relationship. Was that what you're saying?

Yes. Based on what? Based on your ex-boyfriend who confirmed it. Where? So Kat's ex was actually my friend before I ever met. cat and listen exes can be complicated I'm sure everyone here has talked to an ex

after you've broken up were they in a relationship absolutely not I had no loyalty to this girl I actually thought she didn't like me to be honest so did Jonathan literally I thought she didn't even like me when I first met her which I only met her once before we met on Paradise and I had known her ex for almost a year at that point and they were not in a relationship

they were not in a relationship and I know that he also said that I know no no I never said that you guys are in a relationship so that's misconstrued it was more so the plan to get back together after Paradise that was the way I said it and that's the way that and that's what this ex said to you yes confirmed

I mean I'm sure everyone was like I was still going on dates leading up to the show so I don't think that anyone was like in a relationship thing going on I think once you it's just dating in this world I feel like when you go to Paradise it doesn't you stop dating you're still dating multiple people here like you go on dates you take people on

dates that's what i'm sorry i'm literally i'm i'm not the right reasons please all right like everyone has their own things going on i think where i actually like draw the line because i have to be a line drawn is like the plan allegedly the plan to go on paradise and then get back together afterwards on top of like that type of stuff so did the i say we were in a relationship or did you say that was no he that was the plan oh right so then so what she said actually wasn't But either way, it was an ex, but you're still in contact. Either way, there's just so many word of mouth. When you call him, how's that?

Fall, like, go through. She found someone on Paradise. That's what happens when you find someone else. Well, that's what I mean. Like, if you're planning to do that with your X, then you find someone better. I mean, that's a little bit different, too. I mean, doesn't mean I'm going to be the president. No, I'm saying that's a little, it's just a thought.

Listen, regardless, I'm, like, at the end of the day, I think that's where you draw a line, like, sneaking something in while we're about to start filming. That's a little outside of it. Let's address that. Okay. So, when did I sneak something in? And if we think that this show, who took, I don't know, weeks on end to show one thing over and over again, that they wouldn't take that time to show me playing on an iPad or laptop. Sorry, sorry, not to throw you, I'm saying in general, like, you know, they weren't trying to hide anything.

So it's like, where was that? That's not a fair assumption to make that I was out here texting this man consistently. And I know for a fact that that is not what he said. And I know for a fact that that is he did not say that we were in a relationship. I don't know what else was said as far. as like getting back together, I know he confirmed that we were possibly seeing each other before because, yes, I was dating before Paradise. I'm allowed to do that. I'm going on a dating show, right? But I, to say that I had a relationship or that I was consistently talking to somebody is not true, period.

I would disagree. I mean, it depends on how you contact it. I'm just good. Yeah. You've got some of the facts mixed up. It's quicker. No, no, no, no. This whole thing is like a great, like a big thing. ultimately at the end of the day it's not I don't show the receipts because I know he wouldn't give in to you this morning okay hold on can I just dead something real quick

because we had this whole moment at the end like before Paradise I didn't know anyone coming into this also like I'm pretty I feel like I can read people pretty well what we went through in Paradise was real and it happened so like all this other stuff

that people are talking about happened before A I don't know whoever you know exes or past relationships from jump I didn't care like because I'm focused on what we went through the time that we had and also at the end of the day if that is the biggest thing and the biggest hurdle that you have to overcome in a relationship damn I am envious of you because life is hard there's real shit that people have to go through and like this is such a minor thing in the grand scheme of things. But when there's $500,000 on the line

and we're about to vote. We weren't thinking about money. I know, but we were. I know you were. That's the only reason that we really wanted to come back and say it because we didn't want people who had bad intentions to win. Bad intentions. Like, I'm not worried about $500,000.

But I think it's great. I do think it's in the past. I didn't realize you were the moral police. I was concerned about protecting my partner, but also at the end of the day, whatever you all said in that moment, it wasn't going to shake what we had or what we built at that moment.

right so and i i let me let me be very very clear at the same time too i don't have hate for either of y'all like whatever the situation i know sean was heard i know that there's things that you know we like but at the end of the day my number one priority was cat and it you know while we went through our stuff throughout the season it was that was the priority and we ended that way so nothing was going to shake that. And I commend you on the way you guys have stuck together. I think it's actually, and this is like, it's so minor in the grand scheme of things. And I know y'all are getting a lot of smoke and stuff right now. Like, okay, everyone makes their decisions. But at the end of the day, like our relationship, we learn through paradise and we built it far beyond. And it hasn't

even been a sticking point. A hundred percent. But I think it with this, in the same vein, we are allowed to speak our truth and we are kind of being crucified for doing so 100% and like you like in in that like you do you did nothing wrong for making the decisions and communicating the things in the way that you have and like you know there might be some frustrations at times but you don't have hate from us on our end likewise at the end of the day like we have to live our lives and this is a short glimpse in the grand scheme of things so um we'll talk about it right here and now but like our lives are moving forward like all of us so i'm glad that we have the opportunity to do so because it really was throughout our experience was sean really backing you up cat and speaking

accolades about you and vice versa i never had anything bad to say about dale from the experiences that we had so just about me i do from our experiences there's hurt there's pain there's experiences right and we all have them and they might not align with what we think and what we want but that's the human experience and we understand that and like oh like Like, all right. Thank you for coming to our TED talk. Okay, so I think that the purpose of this whole thing is for clarity, right? And so this is a fan question, and this is just a cat, okay?

Fan question. Okay, Kat, please clarify. Did you have a boyfriend before coming to Paradise and were you texting him while you were in Paradise? I did not have a boyfriend coming into Paradise. I did leave with a boyfriend. And I was not texting him during Paradise at all. There was no way. Are you looking for the ultimate coastal getaway?

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I'm hanging out in the corner, bro. I got to know. Do you still stand by your statement that Sean is the greatest villain in Bachelor Nation history? I want to clarify this. I don't think it was a negative thing that I said. I love good...

I want to make sure you know that villains are some of my favorite things in movies. Like, Thanos, I love, I love the Joker. I'm just saying, I was impressed. By the execution? You go through Bachelor and you see, like I had like villains on my season. But what I saw, I was like, oh, this is what people talk about villains are.

And I was just like that was, that was what I saw. I was, it was just like the attention you, you had everyone lined up. I will say. Your buildup to where you were, it was just like, this is very villainous. And I want to. Very impressed. And you didn't, you didn't, you didn't stuggle. I will say also, like, in relation to our friendship, right?

I know that perception is everything. And I'm sorry if you ever felt like there was, like, there was, like, loyalty that was there, that maybe, like, I wasn't expressing or it wasn't. Reciprocated? There we go. There wasn't as much, like, I'm sorry, guys. I'm once again. Anyways, so that is, like, where I was always coming from.

I never said we weren't friends. I did say, like, when I was asked, are we good friends? Like, aren't you guys good friends? I was like, well, I wouldn't say good friends because in that moment, we really hadn't, like, talked every day. We did talk leading up to Paradise. But the way that things were moving during the day, I was really confused by your actions because that wasn't the Sean that I, like, aligned with or knew. So that's where I was coming from. I know that emotions are really heightened to the moment, which is exactly why I called you later, like a couple weeks ago.

And we talked through a lot of our, I guess, perception of the situation. But when you did what you did at how it was done, the emotions did not just come from what was said. It was literally it brought me back to two years ago in paradise when things were just coming at me every day. And I felt so overwhelmed and attacked. And all I cared about was his emotions and helping him. I have somebody that I don't know, like obviously things were said to my ex that I don't know what was said. And I had no way to reach him. So it's like I felt like my power.

was completely taken from me. So that is where a lot of my emotions came from. I don't think that you are like this horrible person. I think you felt really hurt. And so I don't have any hatred or negative emotions towards you. I do wish things were done differently because I think we deserve that. But I hope you know, like, I wasn't like, I'm not friends with Sean. I just didn't agree with your behavior. And as a friend, I'll always tell someone that. Again, like we don't necessarily get full contacts in this situation. So, like, you hear things, like, from other people. So then you make, I guess, assumptions

of what's going on. So, like, to give context to people, like, this was, like, me and had no other for two years. And, like, based on Paradise Last Time and, like, our relationship in Tampa, like, she, her name gets brought up a lot. And I've always been there to, like, defend constantly, on camera, off camera.

So, like, the way that I, I guess, took it was, like, as soon as the cards came against me, she didn't have my back in that situation. That's why I felt so betrayed. Because, like, you guys don't see, Obviously, when we're not on camera, you don't see it. But that was, like, two years, constantly, like, always coming to her defense. So that's why I kind of reacted the way I did.

She spoke highly of you, though. When Jill came in and all those things, like, she truly did. But, like, I feel like you and I, you know, developed a quick bond right away. Because, like, she vouched for you and spoke very, very highly of you. So, like, the moment that happened on film or on camera, you know, I wasn't there. But I can't say that she did. She really, really did. No, totally.

I think, like, if we had, like, maybe had another conversation before that went down, and we could be like, no, dude, I'm, like, trying to protect you. Like, I'm not coming after you. I don't think the girls are coming after you. What I was saying was that in two days, it's going to be all couples. We're going to have to vote for each other, and there's going to be, everyone's going to be at odds. I think we should just wait for the next day when it was a row ceremony. Yeah, I mean.

So, you did say something that, like, on camera that was pretty poignant. Then you said, you had receipts. Yeah. Like, so are there receipts? seats like do you have a love letter well i think there's the truth here though the truth is there's i think it's somewhere in between us i was she texting her ex when we got to azura no do i think you were texting when we're at the staging hotel in costa rica yes so i think there's somewhere in the middle um do i had their seats uh the guy will mention his name he doesn't want to be involved in

like any of this which obviously i get so i wasn't really hounding him at all that much i asked for him today just not in like his text messages like love letters more so just like just like time stance like, hey, I'm not lying about the iPad thing, whether or not there was a plan or love letters. But regardless, when we came back in, it was like, you have that, you have all the time in Paradise leading up to that point. You have Cat and Dale, Justin Spencer, one of them that gets a chance to win money. I was like, well, I want, like, I felt more confident in them, those two love stories than the other one. So, but I had a conversation with this person when we left, when we got eliminated. I was given my phone for like, call my family, call my friends,

and then called the other guy. Couldn't get a camera on him for that. Yeah, come on now. Jeremy, I have a fan question for you. You said there were people with you at the Final Rose ceremony who said they would never vote for you. Who do you think betrayed you in the end? I mean, they're my friends, but I mean, Spencer and Dale both said that. So listen.

I didn't vote for you for the vote. You know, I'll say like up. Yeah, no. So, like, Dale, I get because, like, we were roommates who were talking about we wanted to be us two in the end. That's the only person I was really aligning with. But I do get it from his point of view where when it came, you know, and push, well, whatever the fucking phrases. Push comes the shop. Like, we realized it was going to be one of us two going home.

So I did get that. Spencer, I love you, man. I wish, what Spencer said to me is that, like, he didn't want to vote separate. separately from Jess and I was like me and me and Bailey had made the decisions to vote together sometimes and we'd also made decisions to vote separately so I love both of you I really do if you want to send me a check for like a few thousand dollars in school but yeah I think we like at that point like me and Bailey had something so strong that like we were like we weren't trying to sway like anyone like Keith and Kathy we were like we were ready

to go home if it was our time but that we weren't trying to sway you But then when it came time, like with the jury of peers, yeah, you could respond to that after. When it came to the jury of peers, it wasn't a personal thing. It's like they both voted me. I already knew Spencer and Jess were going to move forward, but I wasn't going to vote for them to move forward. Well, we were all strong couples.

I also had no idea they were planning on getting engaged until after that. What I will say is we've talked a lot about strength of relationships, strong relationships, not strong relationships. I think we were all put unknowingly in an impossible situation of judge. other people's relationships with little to no context as we've seen now watching the show back 90% of the things said I had no idea that anything was said and when it came down to voting for either Jeremy or Dale to leave just can attest to how torn up I was about that because when I pulled back both Jess and I we had voted separately beforehand we had agreed

from here on out we're going to vote together why and we agreed that we needed to come to a consensus together because from here on out we were voting on couples it was all strong couples at that point it's strength of couples right it's all your friends and so for me the big turning point for myself because I was originally expecting Dale to go after us we had a conversation

and Dale told me that hey it's based on strength of relationship obviously both Dale and Jeremy were roommates. I was expecting him to vote with his roommate. And when he said, you know, we see how strong you guys are. We want you to be able to stay together. It made me actually pull back and look at everything and say, okay, if I'm truly assessing everything as strength of relationship, where am I going with it? And at that point, it's like cutting hairs. And it's so little context given into different relationships. Both Jess and Kat were closer. So I heard more from Jess about their relationship than I did about both Bailey and Jeremy. So it wasn't any slide on Jeremy

and I apologize because I did say that I would never vote for him and I apologize for that completely. And I, and that's why I also have absolutely no issue, no issue with Jeremy voting the way that he voted. I love Bailey, love Jeremy. I'm so happy there together and I'm excited to go Disney World. Kathy, it seemed like you wanted to pipe up a little bit when it came to Jeremy and Bailey. I think that I know what Kathy's talking about. Basically, when the night that we figured out we were going home,

we really didn't spend time trying to sway our friends besides, like, obviously, you guys had conversations. We had a conversation we were aligned. And I think what was frustrating, I think, was that Kathy had decided that she wanted to pick who she thought, needed deserved most money and I think that was really hurtful for us because just because I have a ton of nice things has what just not yes well Kathy you said that the way that you were voting that night was because based on who you

believed deserve needed money the most which I understand why obviously Alexandra won the challenge she's poor I get it I mean so like I understand If they were on the chopping box, but, like, I think the reason why we had a conversation with the both of you was to be clear that I think that we can't, none of us can attest to anyone's financial goals in the future, financial decisions, and I think we wanted to make it clear. We were really, honestly, we didn't spend time to swaying anyone because at that point, like, everyone's minds are made up. It's kind of, it was up to you guys about what was going to happen. So, first of all, I love all of you guys, and I think each and every one of you know that. Keith and I had spoken, and we had talked about, for us, we were never coming after the money. Because we are in our last chapter of our great lives, and we were never going to take money from youngens, as I refer to you.

Never. That was never going to happen. so we talked about it and we talked to you guys about you know what you want to use the money for and for me you know when you are at your age what I think about is starting a family paying off school loans buying a first home all the things I've done. I've lived that life. So for me, it was, I've said it how many times, those of you who are in love are going to leave with each other. What a gift. How many times did I say I would love to have left with the love of my life? Having said that, once money comes into it, the money is separate from the love. And so those couples who I believed rightly or wrongly

could use the money to start, to pay off loans, to buy a home, to pay off school debt, whatever it was, that's how I voted. And when I interviewed everyone, Andrew and Alex talked about paying off loans and starting a life and Jess and Spencer talked about buying a home and building their life together and honestly I love you guys and you know that you guys talked about traveling together and seeing the world and that's what you talked about buying a place together so there's nothing wrong wait wait there's nothing wrong wait wait wait by the way a lot of people have student loans. I know. Believe me, I paid 10 years of school months, I understand. And I think not everyone feels comfortable talking about money. I get it. And I never, and I just, I never said that

I did the best I could. Keith and I did the best we could. We are so grateful to have all of you in our lives and we did the best we could in the moment. But I also just want to say I never tried us because we were already safe. I just want to make it clear that I was never trying to get votes for my student loans like it was just something I was like oh no one thought that Alex wait I have a question I have a question for the group I have a question for the group would anyone choose the money over love here Bailey and I talked about this because we thought we were gonna you know make it a further night and we were like what if the final challenge is like choosing money or love and I said listen I was like I was like I will

choose the money and take the hate and I know we could just see each other the next day that's so smart and then we can just date secretly I have more money. And not go grocery shopping. Well, hold on. Would you then like... And now I can buy whatever I want. No, Jake.

Were you like, I'll take the money, but then I'll split it with you? Yeah, yeah. I would need that in writing. And I don't think, I feel like I, we trusted each other enough. Like, that was kind of our plan. I think, you know. Hey, you're looking for the perfect gift for the Bachelor fan in your life? Check out the new Bachelor Nation shop.

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stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts.

You already know our get-down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for. Feds taking over American cities, government hop-out boys, hopping out the van, snatching up your Theo and them. Two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours. Jerry just out here mandering all over the place. The Turfs. And of course, the Epstein of it all. Well, this week, we decided to shoot our shot,

and boy, did we pull up from the logo, to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from this politics podcast to keep it a whole century. In America, what sells in politics are narratives and storylines. It's like we treat politics like we treat sports,

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them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I asked if she wanted the full thing when we, as soon as we got off the show and she declined. She was like, no, that's not what we're doing. Like, I have my part. You have your part. And obviously, she's going to be moving to Chicago.

It'll be for us. It's not like, you know, I'll put it in a shared account. You're going to invest. Do you want to pay up the rest of my school debt? Leia and Jonathan, we haven't really gotten to hear a lot for me. Oh, yeah. Bridges locked in on camera. I'm going to start yapping just to get a few more.

So, I mean, like, is there, Leah, is there any possibility of a romance between you two? No, sorry Can I tell you I thought it was coming I was like really? I thought it was about to flip because you guys were getting so close and you were laughing so much I was like oh this shit's about to happen like you guys about to flip and you guys about to be in love and I'm like I can't get along so well

look at the compatibility says that would have broke the seat I feel like that that would be crazy No, I love him and I truly, I don't think I would ever want to jeopardize, like, the friendship that we have. I don't know. We just have, like, such a nice friendship going on. And, like, yeah. Date already. Jonathan, you talked about kind of not being in the right headspace coming into Paradise.

Can you expand upon that? Yeah. I think getting ass so far in advance put me in a really tough position. You know, there's a lot of possibilities. positivity behind me. It's an amazing, incredible thing. I don't think anybody would deny getting all the love, especially after watching shit back and you see all the hate that comes. You're like, I would kill for that. Yeah, I think anybody would. But with that comes a pressure to perform the way people expect you know i think the first time was like very like good guys so in people's minds i'm this perfect person not just a good guy who can make mistakes um so i'm going into this scenario and i'm like fuck i got to do the do right by everybody i want to do this right

and i've been waiting so damn long i'm so excited and then i get there and you know i try with alex and you know it's just not right for us her and i again are great friends you know cat and i we talked for like a day and it was way overstretched i think we all you weren't in love with me don't come on now and we were we ended up being good and then yeah i think people just came to the beach that i just didn't have a romantic spark with and it was hard you know i cried to stay multiple or to get to go multiple times um and you know it was just hard you know i'm watching some of my best friends that i've made from the show fall for their person i'd like i can attest of this like it's hard to watch your friends fall in love especially when you can feel how real it is

and then you're there and you're like fuck I want this to work too and it was tough tell me what your type is because I love to know exactly what we did because we've been throwing some beautiful women your way and I need to know exactly what we need to bring to paradise yeah somebody actually commented this and I had to take a long hard like thought on it to sum it up into one thing and it's I'm not chasing a look I'm not chasing specific attributes I'm chasing a feeling you know I want to like talk to somebody I want to feel butterflies I want to feel that like excitement to like not leave your side so obviously you and I got very close in paradise and I think what um being in this experience coming back from people and

all these things like we met each other at a bar like yeah a couple months prior you wouldn't even talk to me I think you were so in your head about like I want to make sure that it's perfect right And when we set these expectations of how things are going to go, it is a disservice because it doesn't allow you to fully let go. And that happened to me the first time in a way, but a little different. But in it just in these environments, it is really difficult to even find that feeling because there's so much like outside noise even in your own head. And I think that's kind of like what was happening. And I kind of clocked that. And I was like, nope, already been there, done that, not doing it.

But I don't think it's a negative thing. It's just a growing moment. And this is what this experience allows. get to watch ourselves back and be like, okay, I'm going to take this into my life now. 100%. Yeah. Bring them back. Thank you.

Yeah. I mean, because I, I talked about it multiple times. Dude, you were literally me. Like, that literally was me my first time on Paradise. And I was miserable and like, women just kept coming in. And I'm just like, I don't want to be here. Like, I have nothing left. Once I like, the girl that I wanted to talk to, like, that was deaded.

I was just like, I was just like, what am I doing here? And, you know, Wells, a ton of times had to pick me up and tell me to keep going. And I think that made me become a little bit more mature, more everything, best shape of my life right after that paradise. And then, like, obviously, I got another shot and third time to charm. So I'm telling you to get back on and do this again. Also, those conversations were so helpful, too, because I was like, am I, like, alone in this? And I'm stirring. And I'm like, I wanted this to work for the last 10 months.

At the end of the day, you just have to just be yourself. And whatever happens happens, like, I was okay with going home if, like, I could have pulled, I would be okay with being a Susie. Like, I came in there and not, like, found anyone. Yeah. I would have been so good with just going on. Yeah. Like, that was so, that was totally fine with me. But I feel like that's the same mentality.

You got to go, you know what I mean? I feel like you try to create this perfect love story. Like, man, I was thinking I was going to get proposed. I was like, can I get a helicopter? Yeah. Take me somewhere else. I'm not proposing on this side of the beach. I don't want to propose and I want to go over.

So, like, that's like, that's like, I was going to. My whole thought, like going through everything, I was, like, so ready for. And I was just, like, creating this false narrative. And I was just, like, a shell of myself when I was there. Yeah. Everyone's like, what's wrong with him? Why is he not, like, who I see on social media? That's the biggest thing that people keep saying.

I'm like, if you know me, you can see how miserable I am. Oh. I'm sitting there in the corner trying not to say anything to mess up. Like, yeah. The reason I made it so far, too, is like, I want to make a joke about it every time. But I'm like, I'm a man who learned how to shut the fuck up. And just let her do all the talking. I was like, so I just just zip.

Damn, I wish I learned that. That's a great life lesson. Group question for everyone. Did you have a good time on Bachelor and Parra? Yes. Yes. Yeah. So much fun.

Some people had better times than others. I had a really good time. I mean, we had a lot of fun. It was so much better. I think the most fun, I mean, I don't know about you guys, but the night where I was Jeremy's birthday and we were in the school, and we just all felt all connected.

connected. The football? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What about my birthday? What do you do for your birthday? We should be talking. Stop.

I mean, it just felt like everything was, oh my gosh, my English. Like light and we had to put everything behind and we were just like together as a group. It was the voting. The voting threw us all off. I love the challenges. I thought it was great. But then the voting, it, ugh. Well, put us in a position where like, we don't.

Yeah. We don't want it. We didn't want to do that. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say not having people come in allowed us to really like for me. It took me. It took the anxiety away of like, oh, well, my man's just going to leave me tomorrow and like make me anxious and insecure. So like to know that like our focus is each other and I don't have to worry about what's going to happen the next day. Did help. Yeah. Better connections at the end. Like we have like such strong couples that came out of this. So I think it was a plus. I love playing in the pool. Yeah. Lay in, at least you're like, well, I wish somebody would have came in, day. And I also want to preface this. Like, I've seen online, like, this is just the worst cast of people. I genuinely never felt like anyone was rude to anyone in front of me. Besides, obviously, the last part was kind of crazy. But you're the villain of the year. But other than that, I felt like it was just such a good mix of people that I didn't know.

I didn't have any friends that I knew coming in. Like, I hung out with Sean and Dale once, and then I knew of Jeremy, but I didn't, like, know him. So I felt like this cast was like I had to create new friends, but I also had to create new relationship with, like, the people you were with. So I think it was a really well done thing, like bringing everyone together. And like I said, the drama was kind of not existent for me. I didn't really feel like there was a lot of drama, like, in your face. Like, I feel like every day everyone was very kumbaya, very, very. very good, very having a good time.

So I don't want to like have the show be tarnished because of like what they might have saw compared to what we felt on the beat. Well listen I Closing words here. Listen, I've done eight seasons of this show and I know how hard it is to let yourselves be so vulnerable

and open up to so many people. And I thought you guys did it the best, of any cast I've ever experienced. You all gave everything to the show. And to the people out there that are showing hate to a lot of these people that I love a lot, you have to just remember that you guys are real people.

You have real feelings and words really do hurt. But I applaud you guys all. I'm glad that it worked for some of you. I'm glad you guys had fun. I enjoyed making drinks for you all summer long. They didn't show me tipping you first. They didn't. I was the first and only person ever.

Can you make the drink stronger next time? All right. That concludes our Paradise Reunion. Thank you to everyone for tuning in to Bachelor Happy Hours, Bachelor and Paradise Unplugged. It's been an amazing evening. I want to thank the entire cast and the crew for an amazing season 10 of Bachelor and Paradise. And to all our listeners out there, make sure you subscribe because we're not done yet with the Paradise content. We have more interviews coming your way.

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