Bachelor Happy Hour - Exclusive: Brayden Talks Shock of Receiving First Impression Rose, Undercover Brother Drama, and More

Episode Date: June 29, 2023

To kick off Charity's season, Joe and Serena chat with First Impression Rose recipient Brayden about all things Night 1. Brayden discusses the immediate spark he felt with Charity, what went through his mind when Nehemiah revealed himself as the bartender, and why he thought he was going home when Charity pulled him to chat.    Plus, he reveals the moment that caught him off guard when watching it back and explains how his signature style came to be.  Be sure to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the recipient of Charity's first impression rose, which you got the first impression rose. It's a big thing. You're the best looking guy in the house when you get that. I don't know about that, but thank you, bro. I really appreciate that, man. I'm a huge fan of both of you guys. I've got to say, like, I've seen Paradise

and you guys have one couple that I remember over anybody else. Oh, thank you so much. That is so sweet. When did you start watching the show? What season? Well, to be honest, I haven't really watched a bunch of, like, the actual Bachelor or Bachelorette. I've seen Bachelor in Paradise just because my little sister is a huge fan of it.

And so typically our summers, we spent watching those together. but yeah so and you are in your San Diego right yeah San Diego born or raised well I was born in like like North County area or I was born technically in San Jose but I grew up in like North County like South Riverside area like right in between there and then but now I live out here in San Diego nice so you know West Coast forever I think so man I just I love San Diego like there's something about this town I mean everyone's so friendly it's like I go take my dog out and everyone's waving and asking how about days gone and you know getting to have fun conversations. I love that. Yeah. I feel like people that live in San Diego like love to live in

San Diego. Yeah. I don't know. I was saying best thing in the world man, but. Yeah. Yeah. We have a lot of Bachelor Nation out in San Diego as well. So you got some company out there. Oh, no, for sure. There's been tons of people that I've been trying to, you know, that have been reaching out and they're like, oh, we should have hang out. I'm like, oh, that'd be fun. Oh, that's great. How did you get casted? So actually, I went to Santa Barbara, at UC Santa Barbara. That's where I got my bachelor's at.

And I moved in with a group of girls that was actually out there. And they used to always have like Monday night bachelor nights. And one of my closest friends now, Sierra, she actually signed me up for the show back in November. And then all of a sudden I got a call in February and they're like, hey, we want you to come on the Bachelorette. And I called her up and like, you did what? It was kind of a shocker for me, but it ended up being like really, really full experience. So how did you feel when you got the call? Were you like, no way I'm not doing that? Or were you

immediately like, yes, I'm in. This sounds amazing. Like, what was your reaction? I got to be honest at first. I was like not really sure about it. Because like, I don't know. Like I know I'm like, I got a weird personality. You know, like I don't, I don't really have like a filter sometimes. And like obviously from the episode you guys can kind of see like I was like a little bit like, you know, unaware. I were just like totally stoked to be there and like, you know, having fun. And I wasn't really aware of the fact that there was cameras all around everywhere. So I was definitely worried about, you know, worried about how I might come off. But I kind of sucked up and I was like, okay, I wanted to do it.

So I ended up doing it. But originally wasn't, I wasn't really fine amount of doing. It was, I don't know. It's back in the fourth of a minute. But we just kind of blew past the fact that three minutes ago, you said you moved in with a house of girls. So what? Let's just. My brain just auto-corrected that.

to guys. I didn't even, I didn't even catch that. Are you just from new girl? I was pretty much just from new girl, but it was like, you know, the new boy. I just, I had to go and find a spot out there because COVID was ending in schools or bars to be in the seat again. And so, um, I was like looking for a place and like housing was terrible out in Santa Barbara. And I found they, they posted like a Facebook ad and I was like, hey, I have a washing machine. I have a dryer. I got a big screen TV and I have a dog. Like, please like, you know, I'm a great roommate. It's just like, you let me. You let me. let me move in and get with that room. And so they accept me because I had a dog and so worked out.

So do they give you any tips going on the show where they're like, like you said they're all Bachelor fans. We're like, this is what you should do or this is how it worked. Oh, yeah. They've been on me. They've been telling me I need to fix my Instagram. They say I don't post like, you know, good pictures. So like I've like been sending up my pictures.

They've been edited it for me. And they're like, okay, now post this one and stuff. And then also like they were telling me I had to do research. And I was like, I just wanted to go on there and kind of be me. Um, and so they were like, uh, they were like, they kept telling me I needed to watch like some previous seasons, but I kind of dissent it. So, uh, they were, they were laughing. Was there ever a moment when living with these girls, you cross the line of friendship to potentially relationship, hooking up, anything like that? No, never. Um, no, I never did. Um, they're like, uh, they're some of my closest friends. Um, I, uh, I was like, it. For the last, like, for that whole year, it was like a year and a half that I was out there, or a year I was out there.

I wasn't actually dating at all. I was kind of just like, I had like, I kind of spoke a little bit, a little bit about it. Night one, I had a really bad relationship. And so I was really just like diving into like giving up myself, you know, spending a lot of time alone focusing on like that self-development. So, uh, yeah, no, it wasn't really like, never really crossed the lines. I grew up with sisters too. So it's like, I don't know, I don't feel like it's like, you're a girl's guy. You're like, you like having girlfriends.

No, we're just fishing. Yeah, we're just trying to get you to say. We're just trying to get you to say something stupid. That's all. Yeah. What, um, do you want to talk a little bit about this bad relationship? Like how long did it last or anything? We don't have to touch on it. You're past it.

I mean, I don't want to dive in too deep. Just because, like, I don't want to put her business out there. You know, she didn't sign off for it, you know. But it was just, I mean, we were together for over a year and a half. And we had lived together for a minute. And yeah, I mean, it just didn't end too great. I think I like I definitely fell short and like, you know, you know, giving her what she needed, I guess, at the time. And, you know, I just, it just didn't work out.

So live and you learn. And so, yeah. Is there anything like specific from that relationship that you learn that you want to take into your next relationship, whether that's with charity or someone else? definitely just like allowing people allowing like people to help me too like sometimes I'm so like focus like I won't ask for help and I realize that in relationships

you'll allow people to help you and like ask for it too and so I'm getting better at that so that's great yeah but speaking of speaking of charity what were your initial thoughts of her

like when you found out she was announced with The Bachelor is she your type is is she not your type are you excited kind of what were you feeling so like I don't really like I don't really think I have like a specific type like I'm more like like folks on like the

like the conversations I have with people and like the vibes I feel from them and so when I went in there like I had seen like her hometowns and I just kind of related to her story just with her previous relationship and then just the way she wasn't with her family I'm super close to my sisters and if I was in her shoes I'm sure my sister would want to be on the show too like doing some undercover stuff sifting out you know sipping out you know who she will who she wanted who she wanted me to be with you know so um I don't know I kind of just related to that. I loved how she was like always there for people

when they were having their commitments. She just really allowed people to lean on her. And I thought that was really cool. And so, yeah, so when I found out of charity, I was definitely stoked. I was like, you know, I thought it'd be a cool. I thought we could buy it myself. I tried it.

When you stepped out of the limo and first saw, you know, you get up close face to face. What did you think? Are you asking? Are you asking if she had a different opinion of her up close than found far away? Well, because I actually remember. that I'm on my season and maybe it's because I freaked out so much when I got out of a limo,

but I remember like being like, whoa, like you're real and like this is happening. And, you know, you see a photo of somebody. Usually, you know, like Becca was, I don't want to say she was more attractive than her photos, but she's very attractive in person. And you're just kind of like, oh, wow. She's very striking. Yeah, this is real. Yeah. No, I was definitely, I mean, I was definitely shocked. I mean, I went up there. She looked absolutely amazing. And her smile was like, I mean, I think like the biggest thing I remember is just like how bright her smile was and how warm and welcoming it was. And I was so nervous. Like, I was like fumbling over myself. I was like kind of shaking with the tray. I was hoping I didn't spill the tequila shots I brought. And so like, but like, you know, I just remember that smile and I remember how beautiful it was. And like, honestly, like you got to give me a little bit of peace. I was still nervous. I forgot which way to walk in the end. It was kind of a mess. I looked there like, oh, when the shot hits you. I said.

saw him a little mean someone made of me. Yeah, I just saw that too. But wait, let's talk about these tequila shots, because... Which, by the way, I thought, I think is brilliant. The shots, great move, but go ahead too. Yeah, that was, no, I agree. That was, that was a great entrance. And she seems to be a tequila shot girl, but you did not give the impression that you were a tequila shot guy. Yeah, no, I actually, so prior to going on the show, I wasn't really drinking a whole bunch. Like, I was trying to cut back a little bit on, like, her drinking and, like, taking like a break from it and so I hadn't had a shot like a tequila and I don't even I don't remember last time I had a shot at tequila and so when it hit I didn't even like I don't know like when

it hit I forgot how to take a shot at tequila I forgot the lime I forgot all that stuff and so I just took it straight and I was like oh god like something's not right and do you like a shot of choice is it is there like an is are you just not a tequila person or you were just like no the shot just threw me off um I'm not I'm typically not a tequila person I mean after like I learned to be the Pequila person through the show because everyone just wants to big shop with tequila. I guess it's the go-to. But I would say typically I'm a whiskey guy. You know what you should have done? And honestly, this like, kudos to you for doing the shot. You should have put water

in yours and just been like, yeah, I don't even need the lime. Be like, this is so easy. That's also a little, that's a little inappropriate. That's a little I guess it's shady. Like, I want to get you drunk and I'm going to be as sober as possible. Well, that's not how I meant. I just meant if he's, you know, not a shot guy. If he's not a shock guy and he wants to do a shot of water. Yeah, that's brilliant. No, that's true.

Yeah. I mean, I probably would have looked better. Thank you. He agrees. It probably would have looked better. My family was making fun of me when we were watching it together the other night. And so, yeah, but yeah. No, it was funny.

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And then as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to no such thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. how is how is your anxiety um watching it back oh my gosh i was i was kind of freaking out so you're sitting there and your whole family's there like my grandmother's there you know my mom's there my aunts are there and we're sitting down watching it and i was just like please don't like

please don't make you stuff look like a fool because i remember how like stressful that first night was i mean like when i got pulled in that other room i literally was like I was shit and breaks, for lack of better word. Like, I was so scared. Like, it was just that. It was a really scared moment. When you got pulled into what room when charity confronted you? Yeah, that whole moment.

Like, I didn't remember what I said. I didn't think I did anything bad, but I could tell shoes mad. I felt like I was getting pulled into the principal's office for a minute. And so I was like, I was like, oh, shoot, what did I do? You know? But I remember that moment. I was like, I didn't know how I was going to look and all that stuff. And so I was worried that my family was going to be upset with me, but they were.

So, that's cool. I, so, all right, let's just, I mean, let's just get into it because that's, that's the good stuff in the episode. Anyways, like, I, I personally, and I wouldn't lie, watching it back, I didn't really think you came across cocky. To me, I watched it and thought you came across giddy. And I know there's some people that are rubbed the wrong way because you're like, yeah, I kissed her. I feel like people do that every season so I also didn't really find anything wrong with that but when you found out that her brother

was the bartender what was your first thought my first thought I was like I was stunned I was like I had no idea I didn't know what I said I was like trying to play it back in my head I was like what did I say that do something bad say something bad i was like oh my gosh he's looking right at me i felt like he was looking at me and i was like oh my gosh he's looking at me right now it's like i was like i was like and i was like

and then i realized i was like i high-fived him and was like high-fiving him right after i kissed his sister and i was like oh my gosh he's going to kick my butt like this is not good like you not typically go up to someone's brother right after you kissed their sister like sorry high-fiving him and i'm like oh dude so uh i definitely was you know i had my foot in my mouth for sure on that one uh but yeah my heart drop was there There was no one in the house that was like, hmm, that guy looks like Charity's brother. Like, honestly, like, it was weird. It was like, you're so stressed out in the moment.

Like, you're so not worried about anybody else besides, like, your moments with Charity and, like, how you think she took you or, like, how it went or did, like, did you guys connect good or, like, you know, you see all these other guys going and fooling her. Like, so I wasn't really in that. I mean, I did notice the fake mustache. It wasn't, you know, I went out to him, I was like, is that a fake. mustache and he's like yeah just keep my upper lip warm and it was a good enough

excuse for me so it made sense but yeah hmm okay yeah I get it honestly like I would not I would not pick up on it being Charity's brother if I was there like Joe you're really good with faces so maybe you would but

I also you're so consumed by what's happening and it's such an overstimulating night with so much going on like even if I were to be like that guy looks a little familiar like he looks like he's wearing a wig like I don't even think I would think twice about it after that I'd be like whatever do you man like I got a lot going on tonight yeah I get that and you are that that first night you're like hyper focused on on the lead and and just inside your

own head and just worrying about like how you how you're coming across so I I totally get it but let's go back to your first conversation with charity you know before we get into all the undercover brother stuff. How did that go? You know, we definitely saw a little bit of it, but I'm sure there was more. Why don't you tell us about that? Yeah, no, it was, it was an amazing conversation. Like, I mean, Charity just was like, she's super, like, she's super easy to talk to. I think that was one of the things that, like, I think all the guys agreed on that night is just how, like, how comforting she made her, or how comforting she was and how comfortable she made everybody to talk to her. When I sat down, it was like, I just felt like I could, like, spill

my guts out to her. I was just like, it felt really good to be able to have that, like, with somebody. And then, like, hearing her talk to and reciprocate that and being able to listen to her perspective and her own experience. I mean, honestly, it was just an amazing conversation. Like, I was even, like, when I got back, I even told my family, I was like, you know,

like, if I went on a first date like that and I had conversations like that, like, I would be, I'd be so stoned. Like, it was just, I mean, to have a conversation like that so early was just, it was really nice. It felt good. After, after that conversation, and, you know, it clearly went well it all the other guys were kind of looking and in and you know talking

shit a little bit did you sense any of that did you know yeah no I honestly I didn't like I think that I was like I was so blinded by like the fact that I just had like an amazing time with this like amazing connection amazing conversation like I really wasn't like aware of any of the other guys like to be honest only time like I really was aware of anything is like when we did have that moment kissing on the on the chair I did hear them snicker in the back and they were like they're like oh shoot Brady just kissed her and I was like oh my gosh they're

washing me right now I was like because PDA is like something I don't really typically like do great with you know like I'm not really like a big PDA person historically but like it was definitely threw me off a little bit but besides that I mean I didn't I wasn't really pain to the guys got it and then were

were there any guys that you were like you'd call your boys that first night yeah actually um which was kind of crazy uh just watching it back and seeing a little bit differently how you know people were talking but let me guess let me guess let me guess let's have you guess man Aaron yeah no really Aaron B yeah because he had some he had some choice words about you at the end of the episode yeah no was that the first time you were seeing that yeah i mean i i mean i definitely i don't know i wish i would have like been more aware of that one um because like i mean we were in the limo and like he was like oh yeah we're san diego boys

we're right up the street from each other like dude this is great like we're having a good time and uh yeah i definitely uh that one threw me off a little bit i was just like i didn't i thought that pulled the first night he was telling me we're boys he's like high five and he dabbing me up we're you know just having a good time but yeah no that one that one threw me off a little bit That one was a shocker. Yeah, because I think he said that he had thought that he was potentially going to get the first impression fresh rows. Because I believe you both kissed her the first night. And then I believe we saw him say like, this means war or something like that.

Yeah, I definitely saw that. I wish I would have been more aware of that. I think I was just kind of like overwhelmed by everything I had already gone through thinking I was going home. And then like she had me with the reverse Uno card and all of a sudden I'm not going home. So I think I was so caught up with that. I didn't recognize the glares that all the guys were given me when I walked back to like that but seeing that back I was like dang they did not like me yeah but it makes sense you know it's easy to get swept up in your own emotions especially when you're on such a

high after getting that rose yeah and I mean that's what you're supposed to do too you're supposed to be focusing on her like not the other guys but I think that I think that that's where I should have like if I could go back to night one and do a one thing differently I think I'd pay a little bit more attention to some of the other dudes in the way that they were reacting to what I was, you know, what I was putting down. Gotcha. Do you think you would have adjusted, and I mean, we don't know what happens moving forward in the season, but do you think had you kind of picked up on that and maybe noticed a little bit of tension from the guys, you would have changed your behavior in anywhere? Do you think you would have been like, no,

this is me, but like maybe I'm going to put my guards up a little bit more? I think it would have been more of my guards up more. I mean, at the end of the day, like, the reaction that you saw, like, it was just like, I was purely excited. like I would just like and I mean that didn't change like I don't think that I would have allowed you know those guys hating on me to change that excitement that I had you know like I'm not gonna let I wouldn't have let them steal my joy in that moment you know what I mean but I would have just like you know kind of taken a mental knelt for the future because that's like I you know that would have definitely helped me in the longer. Was there any guy or or a few guys that you were a little concerned about as far as like their connection with charity or just we're focused on that. I really wasn't too focused on that. I mean, maybe it was just like,

maybe I was being like naive or just, you know, whatever. But like, to be honest, like I, like the connection I felt over, like I was just like,

I didn't feel like that connection could have been faking. You know what I mean? I didn't feel like fake. Like it just felt organic. It felt like amazing. And I mean, at that point I was like solely just focused on getting into no charity. Yeah.

And I feel like that really came across like, like we watched the episode and like sometimes we'll make notes. And I think I wrote down like you got you just seemed very relaxed. Like I think when you're meeting someone for the first time, you're like, okay, like there's the classic questions that you're going to ask and you guys just had a very natural like flowing conversation. You seemed really relaxed and confident. And yeah, like I definitely felt your guys's connection through the screen and you both individually and then together just seemed so just genuinely excited. Like just a lot of joy and happiness coming off both of you. Which, you know, I I get where the guys are coming from. I've not wanted to hear. or see the makeouts like that's not super fun for them but i get why it's super fun for you you know yeah no for sure yeah no i mean it was it was really nice yeah now listen hey i i have no issue with you you going in in and not focusing on the guys in in going after the girl because that's honestly why you're there um let's go back to you saying you thought charity um was going to send

you home. Shoot. Yeah, no. Now that you've watched it back, what did you think about what Nehemiah said to her about you? Honestly, like going back and hearing it, it made me feel better. Like, it made me feel like, you know, even despite hearing that, like, she just cared more about the fact that the connection that we had was good.

You know what I mean? It was more like, like, she, like, she took. advice or she listened to the advice but she still made the decision that the connection that we had was strong enough to keep me there and if anything that was like it was so validating to see that because like in that moment like the feelings that I had like I felt you know I felt pretty strongly about the connection we had made right off the jump and so it just felt good to see that it was it was definitely reciprocated it was reciprocating you know it felt good to know that yeah yeah I think you were you were like I'm going home like she's

about to send me home honestly in that moment was going through my head as I was like My mom's going to be disappointed. My dad's going to be disappointed me. I made myself look like an ass. I was an ass. I was like, I hurt the poor girl's feelings. Like,

I made her feel bad. I made her think that I was like, you know, taking this in a joke and that wasn't what I wanted to do. I was like, I just like, I just like, and I just like,

and that's where my head was at. Like, I was just like, I just felt so bad. What a low, low to a high high. Oh, it was just this insane roller coaster ride.

Like it was like, you know, I was on cloud nine from like our conversation. And then like, I was just taken to the death. And then all of a sudden, I just like, she brought me back up. And I was just, I didn't even know what to do. I didn't know what to think.

I didn't know what to say after that. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills. And I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. when you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adapted strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like go you, go blank yourself,

right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact. But the Myceles brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy,

are building an alternative to that. On the latest episode of Next Question with Katie Couric, I sat down with the brothers behind the Midas Touch Network to talk about how they built a progressive media powerhouse from the ground up, why audience interaction is the key to political influence and what it takes to fight disinformation at scale, one download at a time.

We should be focusing on the issues that actually occupy a lot of the mental space in Americans' minds, but are filled with conspiracies, and we should fill it with the truth and solutions. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine that you're on an airplane, and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers. The pilot is having an emergency, and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could live. land the plane with the help of air traffic control.

And they're saying like, okay, pull this, until this. Pull that. Turn this. It's just... I can do it my eyes close. I'm Mani. I'm Noah. This is Devin. And on our new show, no such thing. We get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence. Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise. And then, as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what?

Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to no such thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I thought you were going home for sure. Did you? Yeah, I'm like, he's gone. He's gone.

And I thought it was the right move. The way she did went about it. And it was, I thought it was great. because like usually in that situation historically in the show that that person goes home um yeah so so you didn't um now ath when she did give you the first impression rose um and then knowing like you know like you may have offended her brother a little bit and then some of the other guys um did you think to yourself okay like now anything that i do with charity i'm going to start keeping to myself.

I mean, yeah, like, it was weird because it was like, even like, I mean, even like the kissing thing, like when that came out, it was like, it was, it's like when people ask me a question, it's like, I just, I answer it. I think that that's a, I don't know if it's a bad trait. Like, I just, I am when I am. And it's like kind of like, I just am always unapologetic with myself, you know. And so I definitely, I don't know, like I, it's hard. Like, when you're in that situation, you're being asked these questions and like, you know,

if you want to honest answer, it's like, I just. answer straightforward. And so I was just going to stick to that. And that's kind of, that's the way I went about it. And suddenly, I have a question about the undercover brother thing. So as a viewer, I thought it was very, like, fun and funny. And he seems like a great guy. I was very entertaining to watch. Was there, like, any guys that were upset that they had someone, like, kind of spying on them? I don't know if they were upset I think everyone thought it was fun Like everyone was like

It was a mixture of everyone thinking it was fun And everyone thinking like oh crap What did I say? Totally And then we're all like going back to We're like dude like we were wondering why he was like He did not how to make drinks Like we were over there

We're like hey can we get this drink And he didn't know how to make it And he's like we're like oh no dude We're gonna use that dude He's like I can get you wine or beer Or something on the rocks No that's exactly what it was And so it's just like

Afterwards we're like We are all just idiots It's like how we were doing on in that moment. But we were just laughing. It was fun. That's good. I'm glad that it was able to be like a lighthearted thing amongst everyone. So going into the rose ceremony then, you have the first impression row.

So you're probably feeling pretty tired, but pretty good, pretty safe. How were the other guys feeling? What was the energy in the house? Yeah. Not to cut off your question, Serena. But what were the other guys feeling when you walked in the room with the first impression rose. Yeah, yeah, let's go there first. Because we're watching the show and they're all like, oh, we got them. He's gone. Oh, yeah. No, I walked in that room and it was like, you could hear

like, you could hear a pen drop. Like, it was just, it went silent. Everyone was talking and then all of a sudden like, what the heck, like their jaws are dropped. So awkward. They're glaring at me and I'm just like looking down. I'm like, oh, shoot. Like, you know, I just made like a 25 enemies. Like all these guys hate me now. Like, it was like, it was definitely, uh, it was definitely a very, uh, very weird situation of being, like, um, coming back in. I mean, there's a sense of like pride. Like, I was excited. I got the, I had the road on my lapel, you know, I was like stoked. But then on the other side, I was like, oh, cute. Like, this is the target on on me right now. So, um, it was, it was mixed feelings. But, uh, and then to go on back to like the, the rose ceremony

question though, too, was like, the road ceremony was, the tension was high after that. Like, it was just the tension from the moment I walked back in the room. to the road ceremony the tension never changed like everyone was just on edge they were they're mad at you know frustrated with me I'm sure and then you know going to the road ceremony knowing that there was one last road available they were they were definitely sweat how brutal our row ceremonies oh my gosh like they're the worst they're the worst yeah you know yeah you know for sure too so like I mean it is your tummy is turning you are just sitting there like standing there and like it's free it seems like you know it was raining that night so it's a little

chilly and it was just uh yeah it was it was stressful for sure and you're up late but it was lots of yeah yeah oh yeah you are you are up late um all right so overall your thoughts on night one after watching it back um night one is just one of the craziest experiences i've ever been a part of and that's like i think that that's the best way i could put it i mean there were so many different emotions I thought they took me through I was taken through every like every spectrum every bit of human emotion that is there like I was sad happy you know like freaking out so it was just probably most insane experience and then can you give us any sort of like teaser for the upcoming season what we can

expect to see can we expect to see more dangly earrings from you more fun fashion choices yeah I was going to say that I put a Q&A up on my Instagram story and that was by far the number one question was what's with the earrings which I don't have an issue with them it's a style thing I think you look good so tell us about it yeah I I mean I was in the army and in the army you're not allowed to wear earrings you're also not allowed to have long hair how to keep your facial hair kind of tight and right and so when I got out it was kind of just like I wanted to kind of just you know go for it and so I got my ears pierced and then I got the craziest hearings I could and I feel like they kind of like you know represent how

I'm feeling in the moment you know so like I like the dangly ones I think they're goofy I think that it makes people laugh like people are able to call out for me like dude your earrings are goofy as hell and it just like makes them feel comfortable to joke around and like you know smile and stuff so that's kind of why I wear them um I think it's fun and goofy uh but yeah definitely wore more earrings on the show um and uh definitely wore some other goofy stuff too so it'll be fun I feel like the earrings are good like conversation starter too no definitely that's like

I think that's one of the like my favorite things about them I love talking to people and so like they'll be like oh what's with earrings I'm like oh glad you're at you know let me tell you about those now will you get now are you someone that will like get affected if you know you'll have

haters talking shit on Instagram about about your earrings will you stop wearing them or no that that won't phase you honestly like So, like, I always tell people, like, I mean, I love my family. My dad is, like, my dad is one of my favorite people in the world. But my dad is also the one of the people in the world that I love me the most. Like, he'll tell me every time he sees me, like, bro, what's up with your hearing?

So, like, anything that people say on, like, online and stuff like that, I've already heard it from my dad. Like, you guys are good to go. Yeah, that's how I am. My dad is, is exactly the same. Like, he, every single day he calls me, it says I look stupid in T-shirts, stop wearing T-shirts. Yeah, and then he'll text me and be like, Serena, tell Joe's start wearing collared shirts. Yeah.

That's exactly what my mom's does too. Like, you'll tell my friends, it's like, what is he wearing right now? And it's just, it's fun. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Okay, we're going to play a quick game. Right. Before we do, wait, did you answer, did you answer the question about, did you,

the season without a spoiler? Oh, yeah, we got, we got cut up with the earrings. Give us a little, a little T-Earves. for this season. Huh. What can I say? Let's just say I definitely at this point in time in the season, I definitely need to start keeping my head on a swivel.

And that's one thing I need to start doing. All right. I love that. I like it. I don't know. I don't know. That's great. No, that works. All right, we're going to jump in. We're going to play a game. Let's see what it is here. What are we doing? We have a quick game.

Rapid Fire question. shins first thing that comes to your head okay you ready all right baby what is the first thing you do when you wake up uh feed my dog that's the first thing you do when you wake up yeah i like go and get his like dog food and i like makes it for him and then he comes out i'm like which one jump on and then like nice nice okay hey you don't pee you don't you don't you don't take a sip of water look check your phone you don't scroll no i mean he's dude he cuddles me night he's my best bud like you just look at me as soon as i'm getting up he's like yo dad you feed me and so i gotta you know got to take care of him for me that's great we should get a dog maybe i'll

stop waking up and scrolling on my phone for 30 minutes in the morning yeah he'll literally he'll knock my phone on my hand if i'm not giving him an attention so that's so cute what's your dog's name river river yeah it's my boy all right how do you like your pizza oh shoot uh pineapple mushroom Controversial. It's controversial. I actually, honestly, I actually don't mind pineapple on pizza. I mean, I don't ever do it, but it's, I'm sure there's places that do it well. I like it. I've never, I rarely ever order it, but I like it. I'm rooting this game.

Pineapple and mushroom. Yeah, we're ruined. This is supposed to be rapid fire. Joe, just you talking about all your answer. All right. Well, I felt a little judge after that. Look, Joe, you weren't buying with the pineapples. He's a classic Italian boy, you know? He likes a margarita.

If you are going to do pineapple, though, I can see like pineapple hand in jalapeno or pineapple with some spice. Pineapple and mushrooms, that's crazy, but I respect it, okay? I respect it. All right. Best dating advice you have ever received? Oh, shoot. Don't let someone change you Okay

What is your go-to cocktail Whiskey sour Or no, old-fashioned Old-fashioned, nice I like that Joe loves an old-fashioned We're on the same page there You just saved yourself

From the pineapple mushroom thing With that answer Yes We can't go to dinner But we could have drinks All right Who is the one person Living or not

That you would like to have dinner with? Oh Try that What is one word or phrase that your friends use to describe you? I don't know. There we go. Charismatic. Do you have any bad habits?

Oh, I'll binge eat sometimes with ice cream. Like, I'll go to Trader Joe's and I'll go get like more ice cream sandwiches and meet the whole pack. Yeah, I mean, I could do that too. Yeah, I get that. I get that. Joe's a big pinkberry guy. Love pink berry. I love frozen yogurt.

Yes. What is your go to karaoke son? Simple Man by Leonard Trier. What is your current screensaver photo on your phone? And if it's a picture of charity, don't shows. It's my dog. It's actually rotates my dog. It's River.

There he is. Oh, nice. Oh, it looks so cute. Pretty dog. And then last, yeah, last question before we let you go. If you can visit anywhere in the world, where would you go? Whoa. Bali, Indonesia.

My grandfather's from there. Nice. We looked at Bali for our honeymoon, actually. Did you? Yeah, we opted out, but we want to go eventually. Yeah, I'm always wanted to go. Yeah, it's just, it's just, yeah, it's far, but I don't know. I don't know if we made a mistake or not, but we're going to Italy, so.

Hey, that's never a mistake. Italy, Boston, too. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see if they have any pineapple mushroom pizza there for you to let you know. Yeah, you guys let me know how the pineapple mushroom is out there. Okay. All right.

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