Bachelor Happy Hour - Exclusive: Dotun & Charity, Happily Ever After — Part 2

Episode Date: August 24, 2023

The celebrations with Charity and Dotun continue today as we get into more behind-the-scenes details with the happy couple. Charity and Dotun open up about the importance of their final night together before getting engaged, how they were each feeling when they saw each other on that proposal platform in Fiji, and whether Dotun ever doubted that he and Charity would leave together at the end of their journey. Plus, we learn more about what’s next for the couple and how they’ll be celebrating now that their engagement is public!  Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, everyone? Welcome back to the second half of Bachelor Happy Hour. We are here again with our lovely couple, lovely engaged couple, charity and Dotten. So let's get going. all right how um i would yeah because i want to be like how you guys feeling but i know how you guys are feeling so you want to kick this thing uh yeah let's do it shut off joe you're done great job on the intro talking you are the worst i'm just for our listeners if you do like me i'm sure you can find me somewhere else i'm this is my last podcast i'm probably going to get fired so uh i

apologize but yeah you guys can find me you know you're doing great joe bobby won instagram that's it that's it for you that's it for you that's it for you That's it for you. You're cut off. Thank you. Okay. So we ended off last episode, recapping the meet the family.

And the next thing we saw in the episode that we have to get into is your guys' last night together and the adorable treasure hunt that Dotten put together for charity. Let's talk about it. So sweet, Dotten. Such a sweet guy. You can basically, I guess, talk about how you came up with that. And then I just will talk about how I think.

hit over that necklace but we'll start um yeah you know i think going into that i wanted to do something that kind of reminded her of the journey that we've had and this fairy tale that we um that we have just been able to live through um up until that point and what better way to do that than like just kind of track the journey that we took from um night one till um that night and um you know actually actually had kind of like fight a bit with some of the people of producers to get that that idea through they wanted something else that was a little bit more like minimal like it's usually simple but I'm like this love isn't simple like you got to we got to do something right for this girl and she's special and so I put a lot of thought into that over the next couple days and I was like just had like an aha

moment you know initially I wanted to do it outside like take her on the beach and like go like I was like a little treasurer and I'm like, dig and I'm like, Dick, girl, dig! The sands of DG and a boat, jump in the water. I was like, I was like, I could just see. Triathlon. Two hours, what time are you? I can just see, I can just see two producers.

He thinks it's a fairy tale. Just let him go. Just let him out there. Let time be free and live at his fairytale. But the treasurer has got to stay in the room. Yeah. I don't know pretty much. So yeah, that was kind of the compromise, was like, okay, we can do something.

I'm like, that's probably a better idea anyways. And so, yeah, like the idea came like last day. I was like, I think this what it is. And then everybody was so gracious in getting that, putting that together, I should say. And yeah, it was just perfect. It was perfect in every way. It's very me. It's very like how I would want to have approached it.

And so that was just the idea and the motivation behind it was to just kind of show her and then give her something that to me is just kind of like a foundation of our relationship, which is like just two kids who just like have always had so much love to live. I lost it at that necklace. Because I was like, oh, it's just a necklace. And then like, of course you open it. It's like the pictures that we both gave each other. I'm like, stop.

And I feel like that was such a cute callback to your date at the drive-in. Yes, it definitely was because it's like, that's where we like kind of recapped our childhood and just like all this moments. And then I was just like, now I have like this like peace forever, but also. like well at that point but yes i have you forever so it's super sweet yeah i'm glad you liked i loved it and that was saying that joys was before that correct yes so that was it and then yeah dawton was the night it's crazy because dotten was literally the night before proposal wow insane so much stress so charity yeah you obviously it's very difficult yeah yeah it's very difficult

you know it's it's almost impossible not to have feelings for two people when you get this far i think say that one more time it's it is because people don't get that but like this shit is so for real yeah no i'm assuming it is um after you left that treasure hunt date what were you feeling did you know did you have any clarity after that date yeah told you yeah that's funny because actually you told me and you guys i don't know if this was shown but like she i remember after doing that even me i felt so confident because i'm watching it back to i'm like this is so dope like it's got to be me too i'm like hoping it's me obviously i don't know what's

going on elsewhere but i'm like it's got to be me yeah and then she said something she was like i just don't know she said something along those lines yes and then i was like holy shit and we see you say this is the first time there's ever been any open acknowledgement that there's someone else here. And that really has me in my head a little bit. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, but that's, that's there. That was really eye-opening for me again because I hadn't really focused on anything else outside of that. And neither had she. So that was the first time that like, oh, shit, this is very real. I could get my heartbroken tomorrow. So it was a really interesting, like, high, high, high, and an instant high-low and reality gut check in that

moment, which is probably good, you know, probably better, like, for me. And, again, it made me want it so much more in that next day. And, you know, that's why I couldn't get two words out the entire day, just thinking about not leaving Fiji with her. But, yeah, really, really powerful night overall. And I think, like, leading up to that moment of the end of the night with him, obviously I had, like, my last chance with Joey and then his meet the parents. And the last chance was the next, or the day after. So after leaving his date, I want to say, like, I knew, but I still had to, like, kind of sit on it a little bit, but obviously I had reached my, I guess, like I knew in my heart. So I was like, yeah, this is like, this is it.

But it's also, again, like, it comes with that other half of like, fuck, I made that choice. And it's now like dealing with these emotions of how do I get to the point of now I just spent a day with this other person. Like now I have to, like, bring myself to, like, come to terms with saying goodbye, which is, like, the really difficult part of all this. And for me, something that I struggle with, like, I struggled with it throughout this whole season, even, like, Roe Ceremony 3. I'm like, why am I crying? Like, but it's like, I just don't, I don't like saying goodbye to people. And I don't like being, like, a contributor to other people's pain. And I don't, obviously, at that, in that moment, I don't know how Joey is going to take it.

but I could imagine at that point for anyone, it's like if your feelings are in this and if you're invested in this, it's like, yeah, you definitely think that there's a big chance that I could be the one, but also there's this chance that I could not be it. And so I did, like, ultimately, like, decide that night

that Dotten was, like, it just made sense. I was like, this is my person. And I'm not going to fight this. Like, I'm not going to try and sit and figure out. Like, I think, obviously, again, just reference back to the fairy tale. I'm like, too good to be true. I was like, I think everything that,

was going on. I was trying to like, is there something I'm missing? I was trying to like make such logical like decisions with every single thing and look at every single like dissecting it all. But like I was like no, like this is just, this is why it makes sense because it's it's been this way. Like there's nothing I need to look for to go wrong. So obviously, yeah, I had to kind of kind of terms with all of that. And then obviously we see a proposal day just so very difficult going back to that too good to be true in like that moment because like obviously that's where my I was like this is great like this frito has to end with us but then how you say that I was like she's still thinking about I'm like what is Joey doing like did he take her to space

like I'm so confused I'm sorry that's just how I was like what is this dude like what is going on like Joey's he's like I just did a full treasure out and she's poor what is Joey doing I'm like, yo, you must be crushing it. Charity, was there, was there any, was there any part of you that, that threw that in there, like, keeping him on his toes? Like, just so you know, Don't. Like, in your head, you're like, it's probably you, but. No, like, the way, like, I don't have time that sit there and be, like, let me, like, try and get in his head. Like, I was literally going to do so much shit in my own.

I'm like, I'm not trying to figure out, like, if you think you're ahead 20 feet or not. Like, sorry. But, like, I'm not giving you that much. But it's like, no, like, yes, Joey, like, obviously we know, and, like, I have so much respect for Joey. So, like, yes, like, my feelings for Joey were very much real, but it's just, like, it brought down to, like, let me look outside of this, like, environment and let me look outside of, like, this world that we've been living in. And it's, like, who is, like, where my soul is truly, like, just immersed with at this point. And it's, like, Godin was one, like, at that point. So, no, I didn't throw out the lingo, like, I don't know.

Oh, like, just to be like, let me, let me fuck with him. Just for funnies. Yeah, like, I was not doing that. But, I mean, obviously it came out because, like, that genuinely was, like, where I was at. I was, like, I don't know. But, like, I knew, but I also was like, I'm not going to tell him, like, yeah, like, he's the one and see you tomorrow. Like, that's just so fucked up. Like, I'm not doing that.

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hey, there is someone else here. I have a big decision to make tomorrow really came from then just a moment of like transparency of where you were at in that moment. Correct. Correct. Yeah. And for the further record, like I, the whole time, you know, watching the back of see there's going to be people who are like, yeah, like you were always in the front, but I never believed that.

I think I've told you, right? Like, I could try to rationalize it, but I purposely, like, did not want to think about it that way and, like, a race and just build on the love. So it wasn't until that last day where everything counted where I was like, okay, let me, let me see where we're at. What are the chances? Because the next day is going to be the big day. So it was only until that last day, but I didn't go through that season and think, like,

oh, yeah, like, never that. Like, that was never the case, but just to build. And at the end, you kind of, like, take. But if you did, that's okay. Like, if you were like, I feel like it's me and him. Yeah. Like, I feel like, I mean, Paradise is definitely different. But I was like, I'm the person for Joe.

And, like, he'll figure that out or he'll be wrong. I felt really strong in like, I'm the right person for you. That's fair. And it's okay. Like, if you didn't feel that, it's okay if you did, though. If you were like, I feel like I'm the person for charity and she's a person for me. But I don't know where I'm at in like the standings of all the men. No, that's not to what words in your mouth.

Did you think that? Like, or did you have those thought process of where you're like, obviously, like, it's down to you and Joey? And it's like not like to like shit on him or anything. But like, did you ever be like, oh, like I definitely feel like I'm a better like that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, of course.

Of course. And that's what I'm saying. Yeah. That didn't start happening until Fiji. And then especially the last couple days, like I said, I really like churn that part of my brain off. that was comparing like entirely um it wasn't the last couple weeks and then i started to definitely be like okay as i compare everything of what i know obviously without knowing what you guys are doing when you guys have your time yeah like what does this look like and i'm like there's no way like

i couldn't imagine you not picking me and in my heart i'm sure i felt like would have been a mistake not to but obviously i'm not going to love is love you know what i'm saying like that shit is crazy and that shit don't make sense so like maybe if that was the case of like that's type of love that she wants but, like, love that I'm looking for, the love that she had expressed. You know, some people, you know, they make choices. Maybe not the best. And so, but for what I wanted, what you had expressed that you wanted, I said this made too much sense. So, yes, I did believe that.

But again, like, and you also don't want to get your hopes up and get destroyed. You know what I'm saying? Like, that would have been really painful. So I'm sure there's a self-defense mechanism to you a little bit. Yeah, yeah. At the end of this show, there's always a pretty solid case for the second, the second, the second person to become the next bachelor. Did your head ever go there?

Never. That's the one thing that actually never even came close. Like, first of all, I didn't, I'm not like a producer. I think he's fucking lying. I know, because I don't know the reason why I don't. What is wrong with you? What are you trying to do to this happy couple right now? He's not doing shit.

So let's be clear, Joe is not doing shit. like charity he was there for the wrong reason I have no evidence to prove it but I'm going to put that out there I'm grounded but no I think it helped because I think just because I like hearing Don's backstory like Don't we talked about this so much to you after like

Proposal too but like just knowing like how he got here like he's not a reality TV person he does not watch this type of shit and then like the fact that like he got it just was all like it was truly all fate like two weeks before like that y'all know how long casting

is and then like the fact that he didn't even know well didn't even know like this was an engagement at the end as like I don't even think he understand like the format of like oh like certain placements get like to this you know like he doesn't know like the works of the show no you clearly didn't know what's going on which was amazing exactly I was like I love this like there was like a level of like innocence like and I kind of figured that knowing that you didn't know there was a engagement when you signed up for the show I mean I need going back to like going on the show so the full story about like what made me decide to go on it was yeah two weeks before is when everything started and then two days before i got approved and so i was still probably a no and then i was watching

the woman tell all and i had no idea they chose people for i thought it was everybody was random i thought every bachelor bachelor bachelor was a random person that was so i didn't even know so when i was looking at her i was like oh it'd be dope if she was the bachelorette not knowing that but could it be her because it's got to be rancel. Literally. And then she was chosen. I was like, oh, this would be rare. Like, I really.

They made an exception this season. John's like thinking of his own rules for the show. Literally, because I always thought that. So like to give you reference, like my brain wasn't even there. But like, oh, Bachelor, but that would have not. I'm sorry. Like, Bachelor is hard enough. The screen time is hard enough.

I can't imagine being the lead and having me on like 50% of time. I can't either. That is like. I can either. So. It's like so, yeah, so that thought didn't come until like, probably way after everything ended. And I was like, oh, my God, like, I guess there's a chance that you could have been bachelor if you weren't chosen. God damn.

Stop it, Jeff. Enough. Enough to you. Not too late, Jerry, you know. All right. So let's jump to, let's jump to engagement. Yeah. Should we go there?

I have, so what, I don't know what this is from. But you know the line with great power comes great responsibility? Oh, that's a good one. What is that from? I'm not sure. It's from like a fairy tale, I think. Is it Spider-Man? Spider-Man?

Yeah. His uncle was like, with great, yeah, come great responsibility. Yes. I should know that. He lost Spider-Man. Yeah, I know. We just saw the new one too. His grandpa, yeah.

His grandpa. His grandpa. Yeah. He's not playing with me. Good job, darling. I know. I'm like, Spider-Man. I know.

So that is the line that comes to mind on this episode of The Bachelor and Bachelorette when I look at the lead and I'm like with great power. That's great responsibility because you're entering into like the best and worst day of your life a little bit. It quite literally is like the best and worse and like I can't again cannot explain like the extremes. Like it is so extreme and obviously like it's just an emotional. It's an emotional goodbye. And I didn't think, I don't want to say, I didn't think that I was going to be overcome with that many emotions or, like, feel that, like, intensely about it. But it's like, you almost can't help it because, again, like I said, I do struggle with,

like, saying goodbye to people are just, like, having to, like, you know, feel, like, to a certain degree I'm, like, contributing to someone else's pain. So, like, I truly couldn't confront him. And I was like, this is just going to be awful. But, like, obviously, like, yeah, he got to. And it's like, I was like, in order to get to, like, the next step and the happy ending I have to face this.

It's like this is like the biggest and the last part I have to do. But luckily like Joey is just like very understanding and like he I think obviously like it's emotional for him too but like he was also very much like looking out for my emotions too and I think he didn't want to like give off

too much like to where he was like I'm going to like make her feel so much more worse in this situation because I'm over here like I can't make him speak but um No, yeah. I mean, I got through that, but it was not easy in any sense. Like, the absolute worst. And if anyone ever is in this position, you would understand.

But for those who at home who don't understand, it's not easy. I don't know how anyone can sit at home and be like, that was easy. And there's people that probably do it. But, like, I can't even imagine being in that position of like, obviously, you know, you know I've made this decision to pick the person that I love. And I'm going to spend my life with, but to have to hurt anyone for whatever reason is, is painful. I thought you did a really good job. I liked when you stopped and you were like, I need to get it together because I want to give you, you know, this closure and these words.

And, yeah, it was really heartbreaking to watch all around. But, you know, we could take this time to give Joey a little shout out. Yeah, he's fine. We're done with Joe. He's fine. He's the next bachelor. Can't wait to watch him. follow-off, but Joey, you know what, we've had it, okay?

We can't talk about charity and Joey no longer exist. There are no more thing. If you like them, you don't like them anymore. But we can't wait to watch Joey's journey as the next person. Yes, we can't wait to follow his journey. And we will send Jerry all of our well-wishness, truly. Like, oh, he's so much respect for him. And I told him, always will have love in my heart for him.

So I know he's going to crush it. Yes. And this was just one step on his journey. to find life. Really. Listen, I was in that seat, last, last season. So here we are. Yeah.

Here we are. Here we are. Were you, did, when you walked out for the engagement, did you know it was you? No. Yeah. I could see, I see that, I can see that though. No.

Watching it, I was like, he doesn't. You don't understand. You literally don't understand. I was like doing everything in my power to be like, it's you without saying it's you. That's like, obviously that takes away from the magic, but I was like, hey I was like

I was like how are you feeling good well you see the smile in your face your smile was so you like lit up the screen but when you did start talking I was like

oh she's playing him a little I am playing games with him correct but obviously like when he first walked out I could see he was not smelling and that was like the first time I've ever seen him I know he's not smiling at I mean I was so serious

for a moment I thought I was like this man is about to say he doesn't want to get engaged me And I'm about to be royally fond because I'm like, I just don't get invited jewelry. And now this one, I'm supposed to me. So I was freaking out. I'm like, please just like smile, like do something. And I was like, trust me.

Like, it's okay. Like I always like trust me. And he was just like, not like, I don't trust you. I don't. Until this rings on your finger, I don't trust you. You're also probably extremely nervous. I'm assuming. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's nervousness from obviously and again, like, you know, don't want to get too much. much into it. But the time from, I just had my last chance date the day before, I had just learned about, like, the proposal and I went to write it the day. So it's like trying to figure out, okay, how make sure my proposal is what I wanted to be, right? So there's that fear going in your head, make sure it comes off right. But also the biggest thing is, yeah, like, you might

get rejected. And again, like I, there was no doubt that I wanted to leave with her. And that makes it harder to accept the fact that I might not. And so, and again, I talked about it a little bit. And one of our one-on-one dates where like there is this fear of failure that I have. And so I don't think about it. I'm like, here I go. I might fall flat on my face. I want this thing really bad. And, you know, maybe she might not want me. And she did give me all the validation from start to finish throughout that I could have, that anyone could have ever asked for any contestant on this show. But at that point, it's not a show. And it really was for me, especially then. And so it was very serious. And knowing that you're either going to be completely heartbroken

and devastated or you're going to be engaged. Those are two extremes either way, life changing. And so that's what the seriousness was came from. And I'm still, I don't know. Like, I think about today, I'm like, do I, I struggle with it? I'm happy with being that serious or maybe absolutely to be able to more playful. No, it's fine. I loved it.

Obviously, it was hard for me. But I was like, you're fine. Like, I knew. Like, I essentially technically had the power, but not even because, like, again, I was thinking, like, he might just not even propose because he might freak himself out. I don't know. I was straight. I was straight. It was just in case, like you said, you just don't know.

And even though at my heart, I felt like it was me. Like, that would have been more hurtful if I was like, get, you know, let's get this. And she was like, it now. I would have been able. If you're standing there, like, there's a zero percent chance that I get broken up with today. You're a little delulu. Like, you have to, like, you have to be aware that there is, like, a slight possible. You don't know till you know.

Exactly. And it's a huge moment. life-changing, you know, and I just want to just, it's something I could not, not take serious, you know, so, you know, that's why I'm struggling. I should, I've been more like, happy, but I mean, I do wish you snod at me. I know, I'm sorry. But you snod at the end. So that's I will say when Joe and I got engaged, I spoke first and he was so nervous to propose me that he couldn't look at me. And I almost stopped mid-speech to say, hello, what is going on? Can you look me in the eyeballs and if you're going to break up with me, do it right now.

Because I was getting in my head. I'm like, why won't this man look at me? Like I'm confessing my heart and feelings and you're staring at the ocean. I was getting so mad. I was also going through. I had a lot of things thrown at me in that moment. He had a big day. It was super hot.

I was really sweating. I was nervous. I had a ring in my back pocket. I didn't know. She was going to say yes. I was like, oh, my God. Yeah. Fuck.

I sympathize, I sympathize a lot with how you acted now, but I can relate to you being like, why are you being so serious? I literally just like, please, just like, I don't know. Give me a smile. It's like a smirk. You know something. Yeah. Well, you got better than a smirk. You got a ring.

I did. I did. There we go. It's beautiful. It's a good. I think you should tell them how you picked it out. We didn't even talk. We didn't even talk about rings out.

all this whole time while we were like in any conversation nothing about rings came up but obviously like the previous I was like I just want oval like oval I don't care how it looks but oval but I guess you can because I was like I always asked him I was like what did the other ones look like I don't know I still don't know to the day but yeah that was yeah an interesting day again like kind of annoying that that's how it went so I learned about the day before I was like I guess I'm picking out rings never really had like a lot of I don't know like rings I'm always like, I don't know, you know. I mean, this is a guy.

Yeah, I don't know shit about it. I'm like, whatever, like rings. When I saw the rings, I was like, which one's the most expensive? Yeah, literally. That's where I was in. I was like, that's what it's going to have to be because like I don't have a like knowledge. But like knowing me and like how like I'm like can be such a meaningful person. Like Neil Lane was perfect because when we got there, it was a reason and rhyme for every ring.

And so he goes through each one and explains each one. And then he pulls out the first two when they're like really flashy. They're all like similar in size, but some are more. flashing others and the other two have like all the cuts on the outside and they look great but i'm like i don't know it's not speaking to me and he pulls out the oval one and he's like this one's great because like the diamonds are in the center right like that's where the it's beautiful on the outside but the inside is where a lot of the weight and like the beauty is and in the way he was describing it i was like you know this like did they give him like a sheet for like who charity is

because that's exactly how it described her and before you finished the other ones i just knew that was the one i was like that's going to be the one like there's no way it's better than that. He went through the other one. And I was like, yeah, you don't need it. We don't need to play this game. It's that one right there. It's just a never-ending fairy tale with you. See, Joe. That is so romantic.

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now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So we are going to play a game. what before we do that like before we do that it's not rapid fire don't worry no but i want to get into a little bit because i'm very curious what is the deal with like your living situation now like what what are the plans um yeah so go ahead go ahead yeah um obviously like we're in too so i'm currently in charlotte he's in brooklyn so it's not going to work so yeah yeah so we're actually like done.

You're breaking up after this podcast. No, but we have obviously talked about it like throughout this whole process of just like being in hiding and what's going to like be the best case scenario for us. So yeah, we are looking to move in together soon. We don't really have like a set like date right now, but it's like in the work. So I actually, he will not be coming to Charlotte. I'm, I will be departing Charlotte. So I will be coming to him.

Oh my gosh. Nice. Come on. In New York. We're in New York. So I'm very happy to hear that. Yeah. I'll like him talking about that.

Are you staying in Brooklyn? Yeah. Let me not give your location. No, do not give your address on this podcast. Last time she was here. His narrow is nice. Yeah. She gets her hotel room.

I know. I know. I did. I did. I did. Room 7-08. Holy shit. Don't worry about it.

Um, okay. We'll try to not. make that mistake um yeah so ideally it would be in brooklyn like i would love to stay in brooklyn one maybe two stops away from the city yes um that's just like the sweet spot get a bit of culture i feel like that's just the vibe um that we're looking for and it's just a fun place right like i feel like anytime my friends want to do something whether we go to Manhattan we always end up in brooklyn because that's just where that's where you know people get down so that's the idea hopefully but we're also open to moving into Manhattan but it's pretty open-ended we're just going to see

where the wind goes. Amazing. We stay in Manhattan. Oh, maybe we could be famous. I love Brooklyn. We decided we were going to move to New York. We were planning on moving to Brooklyn. Yeah, we were really set on Williamsburg, and we ended up finding the place that we really

liked in Chelsea, which I highly recommend checking it out. If you're thinking about Manhattan. Yeah, I don't know shit about New York. You will follow much. I truly, truly think it's like, it's amazing. It's the best thing. Yeah, it's so fun. Yeah, and we'll all go to Luke Hallie.

Yeah. Yes. Full circle, baby. I was like, y'all just wait. There you go. Wait, I have a question for y'all. Did y'all know? What was your thoughts after you, like, interviewing?

What? I can stop. Wait, I did. What with the joke? Joe's like, finally someone asked me a question in this goddamn podcast. No. You know, I was on this show, too. Or you're very special, Joe.

You're a little, you're special to. No, what was y'all thoughts? Obviously, you talked to Joe, you talked to me, you talked to Charity before. Oh, you're asking them, like, did they think I was going to pick? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I know y'all talked about it. So I truly, at the beginning, so I would say majority of the season, I truly thought it was going to be you the whole time. at the end

I was like actually could potentially go either way but I still I always thought it was you I really did that tracks was like me too I think you picked Dotten I picked that from the beginning

so Joe and I picked like our final four after watching episode one just for fun and he was in there and Don't was in yours that's so crazy because there was the conversation besides the living I know it was He was extremely smooth out of the limo.

You were very, you just, you just, you just, I can just tell you were able to really be yourself. And it came across and I just, I was like, he's a sleeper. So it was you. My top four was you, Joey, Xavier and Tanner I threw in there as my purple. And you were far off. That's really good. Yeah, you could have been Tanner. They really could have been Tanner.

Maybe you should have been Tanner. I'm just kidding. We love Taylor. We love Taylor. I don't remember. Don, you were not in my top four strictly because you did not have a conversation with him. I was like, Dotton didn't her didn't even talk. What do you mean?

I had, I had Aaron B, I had Joey, I had John B. John B, and then I had, I think there was another Joey. No, you had, you had Joe. Joshua. Joshua. I threw him as like a wild card. Okay, you're giving full names. I was like, Josh.

I'm like, Josh, gosh, gosh, yes. So I didn't do terrible either, but you actually did really good. But truly, no, she didn't do really good. The one got Josh and what was gone. Okay, yeah, that was good. That was a wild card toss. I like picked someone like. And Aaron B doesn't come.

Aaron B came back. Aaron B definitely counts. He was top four and then again, top three. Aaron B was top four, yes, you're right. As soon as he said, I was like, oh, I was like, where are you going to? I got me that. I will say, I don't know what week it was. It was the week you guys had the pool party and then the week after the pool party.

You guys had a really nice, like, private chat. I think on a group day. Oh, the ocean fed. That was where. So that chat. The life chain. Yes. When you brought him to your bedroom.

Sure did. So that I was already like, oh, he's in the bedroom. All right. This is a good sign. And then pass at your conversation, I was literally like, oh my God, they're in love with each other. They are soulmates. Like, I just felt it like beyond. It's crazy because you guys like only saw obviously like a segment of that.

I would, if y'all had saw the whole thing, you know, like stop the show today. Yeah. Like that conversation changed my life. Like it was an amazing conversation. Like you could feel it from that like one and a half two minute clip of you guys. Like Joe and I were looking each other. they're like wow they have a crazy connection and from that point forward she's definitely picking this guy yeah we were like so where's charity and doten like their end game we were upset

so if you listen to any of the podcast we're like okay yeah this person this person okay yeah trade you're not and they're in love anyway moving on thanks next um and then you definitely threw us for a loop in the end a little bit um with the double i love views but it's okay i was losing my mind that's okay that's okay you know what it's a crazy experience thank you and you are allowed to feel whatever you're going to feel. But we were still team gotten all the way for you. And we are so happy to you guys. Thank you guys.

We're happy. So past moving to Brooklyn and or Manhattan and or next door to us and Chelsea. Yeah. What are the plans? Do we have trips book? Do we have exciting activities that we're ready to go do? Yeah. We're actually eloping.

I'm kidding. I'm totally kidding. Oh, we're not. We're already married. we are actually just going to like kind of have like a little refresher I guess just like obviously it's like our first time like being out in public and like we just want to like just take a trip so we're actually just taking a little refresher to Vegas and it's just going to be us we have some friends that are like we'll already be there so we might meet up with them but just yeah just

loving and just having fun let loose that's exactly what you should do right now honestly just have just have fun. Yeah. Should we jump into the game? Yeah, let's do it. I'm ready. Yeah, let's do it. All right. We're going to play a game and then we're going to let you guys go and live your lives without us. You want to do the game. You want me to do it. You do it. All right. So this is a little newly engaged game. This is very simple. We're going to throw a question at you both. And you have to answer it at the same time. It's either charity or Dotten. Oh, this is going to be a fun one. I'm excited. Okay. I'm excited. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I am. Okay. Okay. Who is more romantic? Dotten.

Yeah. Who has the cleaner car? Charity. Yeah, he doesn't. He's in New York. Yeah, charity be. Who is more organized? Charity.

Charity. Who is more stubborn? Charity. Charity. Who is the pickier eater? Dotting. Oh, my God. Are you a picky eater?

So. I'm a picky eater in progress. In progress. Recovering picky eaters. What kind of picky eater are you? Like I, because I work in health, like now I can like cover my bases, but like I just be really unhealthy. And so I used to eat like cereal and like meat.

So I hated veggies. I know it's fun. For you. It's not. What was I doing? And so I've worked through that. And so I'm slowly just adding things. But, yeah, like, I'm just super picky.

Like, a lot of greens, I don't eat. It's super weird thing, and it's all my head. But I have, like, I feel like I have a very broad. Like, I'm not the healthiest eater, but, like, I have a very broad palate. So, like, I'm always, like, willing to try, like, new things. So, slowly introducing him to things. I'm telling her, please, please help me. Yeah, yeah.

We're getting there. You guys are going to have, you guys have some incredible choices in Brooklyn, that's for sure. Who takes longer to get ready? Charity, are you kidding? Who's the better dancer? Oh. Charity. Charity, I'm sorry.

Yeah. We haven't seen you try to cut up like that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Who is the better driver? Dotton. Oh. Wow.

You don't say charity. Luzanne. You have it. Wait, after I keep again. I'm like, you have a rubber one. No, I drove on the seat and so did you. But listen, I was in a Jeep and you were in the little, so you were, like your car is a cruiser. Like, I was in the Jeep.

I'm more talking about the you screaming at people. at people. They're not. I'm kidding. Trudy has road rage. Let me pull it back a little bit. It's not like bad. It's not bad intention.

It's just like, it's got to come up. This is why I'm excited to move to New York because I drive like the people in New York. I move in purpose. Like I have a left lane driver. Like get out the way. Slide over. A true New York guy.

It's just, it's, I'm on a nation. Girls got places to be. Exactly. Who is the funny one? Dang, we both are. Like that's insane. We both are. I'm gonna say charity.

I love that. I don't respect. I don't respect. I mean, I think he's hilarious too. Are you funny as fuck? Charity. Charity, I'm glad you're humble about it. We are both so.

I am hilarious. Coming from Joe. Literally coming from Joe. That is true. I also think I'm very funny. You are. I'll give you that. Who's the better cook?

Don. I don't know. It's because he's a picky eater. Yeah. I gotta be good to keep you what I like. I'm a star if I don't. Who spends more time on social media? Charity.

Who is going to take the lead on wedding plans? Charity. For sure. Well, that's, uh... Yeah, really good. That's the game. That was fun. Yeah, that was fun.

Did you believe all those answers? I believe it. I don't think anyone was lying. Do you think someone was lying? Yeah. Joe start. Do you believe those answers or do we need to write back? Are they not insane?

Are they not compatible? Did you expect? Do you think she made the right choice? I have three of it and I approve all those answers. Thank you, Sarina. So I got to ask one last question before we let you guys go. Eddie, have you started any wedding planning? We actually haven't.

started wedding planning. We've talked about, like, time framing of, like, when we would like to, like, get married, which is, like, 20, 25, 26. So that gives us, like, a year, year and a half. So, that's perfect. Yeah. We're not trying to extend this, like, 17 years like, leave. We're both ready, but we're both smart. Yeah. We just want to, like, enjoy what we have. You know, still, still young-ish. You know, I am at least, or she's young. We are. We are. But, yeah. But, yeah. We're all the young here. I know, right.

But, like, winning pine that comes in a lot. It does. You know, we are just enjoying each other's company and what we built and just want to build more before that special day. So, yeah. Nice. All right. Well, you guys, honestly, congratulations. Thank you.

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