Bachelor Happy Hour - EXCLUSIVE: Hannah Ann Interview, Part 1

Episode Date: March 11, 2020

After the shocking finale, Hannah Ann is talking only to Bachelor Happy Hour. Rachel and Becca talk to Hannah Ann about her engagement and subsequent breakup with Peter. When did things start to unravel? What did Hannah Ann think about Barb’s reaction to Madison tonight? Plus, Becca and Rachel share their thoughts on the shocking finale.Be sure to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports Network. I don't even know where to start with this one. So first of all, I just have to announce that we are coming to you live from backstage at After the Final Rows. I mean, how do we sum this up into one word, Becca? I mean, Barb is what I've been saying. But I'm speechless, you guys. We have so much to get into, so much to talk about. Batser Nation.

Boucher Happy Hour listeners. I know you were upset that we didn't have a podcast yesterday. But my God, was it not worth the wait? Were we not all waiting for what was going to happen tonight? We have a special guest with us in studio today. But first, I just have to say that I'm so happy that I am not doing this alone. Like I had to at Women's Hillaw. I have my wonderful co-host with me, Becca Kouffer.

And it's in the building. Becca, thank God you're back. I'm back. I am here off the road, taking a break from the tour for a couple of days. And Rachel, as you said, I mean, obviously, we could have had a podcast today, but there was so much that was left and said that we had to see go down. So now you're getting the full gist of everything that we saw in the past two days, which, I mean, this entire season was a crazy wild ride. And this evening just really, I think, summed everything that we've seen in the past 10 weeks up in one night. And my mind is, I mean, I feel like I'm kind of shaking right now.

My mind is still a little bit blown. Yeah. And I think what's so great is, I'll be honest. we didn't get a lot of answers tonight. I feel like we heard a lot of talking, and there was a lot of talking in circles, except for one person who I'm so thankful we get to talk to tonight. A lot of circular talking.

And I think that what's going to be so great about our podcast today is that we're going to unravel exactly what happened. We're going to get down to it. We're going to ask the hard questions that weren't asked on stage, and we're going to make sure we get those answers that we know Batchar Nation needs. So we're going to talk to some people tonight, but I am so excited that we are talking.

Wait, let me give you a drum roll. We need a drum roll. For the person, only one person won tonight. And that person is Hannah Ann. Hannah Ann, welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. Thank you guys. Thank you guys for happening. Well, we, I mean, I need to personally first say,

when I first met you five seconds ago, you walked in, and I was hugging you and I felt like I wanted to just take you under my wing, because throughout this entire journey that I've had for years, there's probably only one other person who has now experienced things like I have experienced. And that is you. And let me first start by saying, yes, we're so excited to have you. We can't wait to dive in and get your side of everything. But the way you handle things when Peter ended things.

And even tonight on stage, it was with so much grace and dignity. But I looked up to you in a way. You said the things that you had to say. And when I was in your position, I was so, I think, blinded and nervous and anxious and feeling like so constricted that it was finally nice to see a badass woman stand up there and say what she needed to say to put Peter in his place. And as Rachel said, I really do feel like you are the winner of tonight because you handled it with so much dignity. I'm so happy that you're here. And I think I speak on behalf of

all of Batchermination when I say our hearts broke for you. I mean, we were watching backstage age. And I truly felt how I felt years ago. And so thank you for being here. Thank you for putting your heart and everything, your love life on the line. You know, it's a weird world when it's for other people's entertainment. But you handle everything beautifully. And I keep saying with so much grace, but thank you. It was. Thank you guys. It was great. And I like the whole time that we were watching what happened tonight, Becca and I just like kept like chatting like two little girls. And Becca kept saying that she understood you and what you went through. And I know that we're going to, you know, dive into that even further into the podcast. But this is the first podcast that you've done, as you said. So thank you so much for doing our podcast first. And you can stop after that. It's not going to kill after this. Because no one has talked to you and then the first time we really heard you speak, I really want to start from the beginning because we saw you one way. And then we do not. It's one of the things that we did not get the answer to. Even with you talking and

standing up for yourself, we did not understand how it got to where it did. And we're so hoping to get those answers tonight. So I really want to get into it because I feel like you have been unfairly judged. And I'll even say that I did it as well. You know, I, first time we talked to Peter and I saw you steal him so many times, I compared you to Luke Pee. I was like, is she a little bit Luke Pish? And he said, no, she's not. And he was like really defensive, so I was like, okay, we got this one. Let's put it. Wait, let's go on her. She's going some places.

No, but I feel like one theme in y'all's season is that there was a lack of communication. And people weren't really communicating their feelings and their thoughts. And you got a lot of heat for it as well. But tonight, you put all that to rest. So let's

kind of start from the beginning with you know, you getting the first impression rose and how that night went down. And so I guess one, did you think you were going to get it? And did you feel like you had a target on your back? And this is pre-champaign-gate. Let's just not get it to that.

Oh, yeah, pre-champing. Well, yeah. So the first night, you know, getting the first impression, I, you know, there's a lot of girls around and I wanted, you know, I was excited to see Peter. You know, we film all night long, hours and hours and hours. So the times that I would go up and see him again, hours had passed. I'm like, of course I want to go see him again. And if I get the opportunity, I want to go speak with him again.

I mean, I've been waiting to, like, speak with him. And I'm here for a purpose. My words have a purpose and meaning behind them. And I was excited to get to know him. Plus, if I'm taking the time to start this journey, I want to be sure if we even have a connection, you know. I enjoyed spending time with the other girls, but at the forefront of my mind was always going to be Peter and seeing if we had that connection. And if I didn't ever feel that, I would have parted ways, you know? But weren't you worried about being that girl?

That girl who's going to be the one stealing him? Because you didn't know you were going to get the first impression of us. So does that not cross your mind at all? Because I know at one point you said, I'm not typically like this. But we couldn't tell. Right. Right. And I think in the beginning I came off completely like the wrong way.

And looking back on it, I'm like, oh, my goodness. Like, that was not what I wanted to come across as. But I was just focused on me and Peter and tried to keep that at the forefront of my mind at all times and enjoyed the entire process, even if that meant, you know, spending time with the girls. But at the end of the day, I mean, I was there for Peter and Peter only and trying to figure out and give our, give us the best shot. Well, and I will say, because we did sit down with Peter at the very beginning. And I asked him, I was like, did you like that, that Hannah Ann stole you so many times. And he did. He was all for it. Yeah, he said he was wanting to talk to me more than.

night. I'm like, okay. So he liked it. So clearly, it was reciprocated on both ends. It wasn't like he was like, who's this crazy girl who keeps stealing me? Yeah. I know it might seem like I was pressing myself on him, but he was telling me he wanted to talk to me more that night, you know, and opportunities were presented to me to talk to him and it's been a couple hours. I'm like, sure, yeah. He told me to talk to him again. So I'm like, I'm going to. So feelings were, you know, on both sides wanting to communicate and talk more. Yeah. It worked. It did. It clearly did. And then we go on to, I mean, fast forward a little bit, this whole champagne gate, which was, champagne was such a common theme, I feel like, throughout, what was your take? Because

when we recapped that week, I was saying, you know, there's, clearly the show does certain things. They set up certain things to, you know, stir the pot and to cause that drama. And I really, truly was like, I don't think Hannah Ann knew that that one was Kelsey's. I think she just thought it was a cute setup for her and Peter. So we didn't think you did it maliciously. But what was your take when that all went down? Oh, my goodness. When all that went down, I was completely blindsided by it and I didn't know how to handle it. And, you know, and the end, me and Kelsey were able to, like, you know, put aside our differences and become friends because we were like, hey, we have like, you know, a couple more weeks with each other, hopefully.

Yeah. Like, we have to pull, you know, we have to put this bullcrop aside and, like, learn to, you know, be friends or at least live, like, in the same house together. So when all that went down, I was like, oh, crap. Like, I've never had, like, conflict like this. Like, how do I handle this? So, like, I was just trying to be as logical as possible and just be like, hey, I didn't steal your champagne. And, like, that came across maybe to some people as, like, cold-hearted.

But I was just trying to, like, be as straightforward and concise as possible and not let the emotions get to me. And it did upset me. I remember that night, I cried all night long. And I remember some of the girls in the house were, like, you know, like, can't like people, like, like, the other girls need to see this. side of you. Like, they need to see that you're upset and see that you didn't mean that. But in the moment, I was just trying to be as clear as possible with her. So she knew that my point got

across that I did not steal your champagne. That's where, you know, I'm not a champagne stealer comes from. They're just trying to like, you know, let her know that. And I get it. I mean, I never was in a sorority. I mean, I have a big group of girlfriends. But when you're living with 20 plus people from all across the country, people that you don't know, you don't know how they interact how they process things. It's a really scary thing. And I think you handled it well. I will say, I mean, I would have probably done the same. I would have been like, look, I can't feel this fire so much. I'll say what I have to say. I'll confront it. And like, hopefully it dies. But it's a really people I don't think realize how scary that first week is. Like, it's all unknowns. You have no

idea what to expect with the lead, with the production aspect, with living with so many people. And so it's uncharted territory that no one, no one should actually know how to handle that. Right, right. And me and Kelsey didn't know each other at that point. So we didn't kind of know, you know, how we both, you know, how we both respond to situations are very different. But what I know now about her and what she knows now about me, it would have been completely different. I mean, that was like day five, day six. So we didn't know each other at all, which would have changed, you know, both of our responses to the situation. I think what was hard for people to handle is you were so cool, calm, and collected in your response. And I remember

saying, I was like, I probably would have responded the same way that it came across as a nonchalant. Right. And I was like, I think that it's being misunderstood because I got it. I was like, kudos to her. Like, I don't even think I could have handled it that well. I think the one thing was that I think you said it was bullying her. And I think it's a word that we throw around too often.

She definitely cursed you out, which was wrong. She was wrong in how she handled it for sure. But I think the way you handled it, I didn't think you needed to cry and match her emotion in that. I thought that the way that you handled it, kind of defuse the situation. And it didn't create a finasco. Can we talk about that? Can we talk about that?

Were you the one who said that? What happened? Yes, she is. And what happened? You know what? This whole season has been a finasco. That's my cap on the whole entire season. I was actually going to ask you.

You do know the right word, right? Yeah. Finasco. Can you say the right word? Fiasco, right? Fiasco. Fiasco. Okay.

I was trying to give you, I was trying to like give you a chance to correct yourself. I like to say finasco and... But for the record, you do know it's fiasco. Fiasco. But you should trademark or copyright finasco. Finasco. I think I should. It's just like, and you know what's so funny?

Is that in the moment I said that? And I had no idea that I even like misspoke. Like I had no idea. And like that's not even like a word that I had used in the best. I don't know where that came from. I didn't know where that came from. It wasn't in your vocabulary. I had no idea.

idea where that came from. Look, your brain was jumbled that first week. A lot went down. I would have been making it my own. I do still make up my own words. So I don't blame you for that. So we go on. Well, of course we see you form friendships.

Like you and Kelsey seem. Yeah. She's a really sweet girl, you guys. Yeah. She doesn't have a mean bone in her body. She's very, very, very sweet. She's all over crazy. Yeah.

Champagne makes all over at women's a loss. She was cool. I didn't steal your champagne. After that, she became like a really great friend, honestly. And you're still friends. Yeah. We are. We are.

a really nice person. So let's jump. Let's just just move on. Let's just jump to like the real shit. You know, you got roses. We were, we knew you were a front runner, you know, after you run the modeling thing, which totally should have. How are those, is that revolve that you're wearing? Are the revolved clothes working out for you? I just have to point that out. Like a girl's dream, right? Like just to be able to get $25,000, was it $20,000, whatever it was worth of clothes. Does it fit in your closet? No, it does not. And it should. That's a good problem to have. So, I want to just get right to fantasy suites. Yeah. Because you have a meme that's going around where you're looking and I wish you guys, you guys know, Batser Happy Hour listeners. You know what I'm talking about where you're like, it's the best meme ever with the frown and the squinty guys like, say what now? That's what the face is.

So we learn in the fantasy suite. We all know what goes down to Fantasy Suite. Whether you've watched Bachelor or not, you know what Fantasy Suite is about. And in this fantasy, this week, you guys all stayed. together, which is crazy. But Chris Harrison gave us the breakdown. Hi, Chris Harrison, as you said, when you saw him at the proposal, which we cackled at. Normally people say, hi, Chris.

You said, hi, Chris Harrison. I love it. I love it. I love it so much. Some people you have to do that way. I was nervous. No, but it was the cutest thing. Hi, Chris Harrison.

We died by them. We were like, look at her. I love Chris Harrison. But Chris Harrison explained why you guys were all together, so we don't have to delve into that. But you learn about Madison and you learn her thoughts about Fantasy Sweet Week, which at that point, she had shared with you, but she hadn't shared with Peter himself. Right. And then it became this whole ultimatum thing.

Was it an ultimatum? Was it an ultimatum? I'm asking you, was it an ultimatum? Was it an ultimatum? You know, for me, me and Madison are just two different people. We make different decisions. And I felt completely uncomfortable that entire weekend that I even knew, you know, the conversations that she was wanting to have with Peter. I was just wanting to focus on me and him and not let anything distract me from that.

So thinking that it's an ultimatum between Madison and Peter, not necessarily because I think Madison was doing what was best for her. But that's not an ultimate. That's not the definition of an ultimatum is like, if you do this, then this. Yes. It's like doesn't matter your motive behind it. Because it's not wrong to believe what you believe and to feel that. And I never judged her for that.

I never judged her for that. Was I taken back by it? Yes, because I didn't want to be involved in it. I don't want to have these conversations with anyone, you know, about them and Peter. I was focused on me. And so when she was telling me, you know, she felt like he couldn't do certain things for her to move forward with him. I was just kind of like gave her look of a, what? Were you close with her in the house?

Yeah, yeah. I was, yeah, I was close with her. I wanted to know. Did she talk, because we didn't see her bring up this conversation with Peter until the very end. And was this something? Because I feel like when I was on R-A season with all the girls, we talked about a lot. Like everything was out in the open. There wasn't many secrets between us. So was this something that was brought up in the house with all of the girls beforehand? Or was that the first time you were hearing about it too? I think when we sat down, we had to have that conversation about her telling Peter, her standards and stuff.

you know, I gave that look because I was kind of taken back by it. So you hadn't heard it before? No. I was thinking in my, I knew, you know, she had certain lifestyle values and I knew that they didn't line up with Peters. But I was thinking that they might have had that conversation weeks before, you know, weeks prior. But my face is kind of like, oh, gosh, I don't want to get involved in this.

Like, you know, you do, you know, for me, I was never intending to give Peter a hall pass of you do whatever you want. My intention was, I see the big picture, and me and you truly begin after all this is over, after when it's just me and you. And that was my intention behind it. I just wanted him to, you know, focus on him and try to be as understanding as possible the amount of stress and pressure he's under. And if we meet each other in the end, great.

That's when we start. Yeah. That's when it's just about me and you. It's an uncomfortable week, period. No matter what your values are, it's just uncomfortable knowing while I'm sitting here something else is going on. Like, it gets, it gets to everybody. Becca and I have both been there on both sides of it.

I just want to know, you went first and obviously Victoria and then Madison, do you think had, well, A, had you guys all been removed from each other and B, it gone in a different order, would things have changed? No. Because I think Peter and Madison hold different lifestyles. I think Peter and Madison lived different lifestyles and hold different values. And I don't think this is exactly just an issue with the famous. I think it's lifestyles and how you see life and how you judge everything out of life.

So it's so interesting that you say that because like Becca was saying, as women in the house, you chit-chat and you talk and you get to know each other better than you get to know whoever the lead is. So you're saying, you say you knew that they had different lifestyles and they were on different pages. As a viewer, we didn't get that till week seven. and it was only that we got that they were different as far as religion. We had no idea they had different lifestyles, but obviously you were privy to that information. So Madison made a point during Fantasy Sweet Week where she said to Peter, I've been struggling this entire time and I've been having a really hard time.

Is that something that you saw in the house? Yeah. So we didn't see that. And what did you see? I saw, you know, she was struggling with the week and just knowing that, I think she was coming to the realization that they live very different lifestyles, which is hard to kind of comprehend when you're on the show and you're not in your lifestyle. You're not on your day-to-day basis of your hobbies and like your schedule and how you live your life.

So I think that was trying, I think at that point that was coming very apparent to her. And I think that's what she was struggling with along with just the stress of Fantasy Suite Week, which is stressful for anyone. I do want to get to the whole lifestyle thing in a bit because it leads me into some questions like after you and Peter were already together so can we fast forward because I want to get to the juicy the juicy part everyone

so obviously the last week you met the family they fell in love with you Madison met the family it wasn't the same and that you know I don't want to talk about Madison too too much because she's not here. I want to focus on you and your time

with Peter. So you get to that last week and you had absolutely then no idea that Madison had left early, correct? No idea. So when he told you, because we've seen the proposal, he's standing there. And we also didn't know if you were going to show up at first. You know, you were kind of making us wait. So you get to that moment and he's in the middle of this speech to you where it should be about you guys. And he goes, but Madison left two days ago. And in that, moment. I don't know if you guys caught it, but when he said Madison, his tone switched a little bit. And all he says is, is that all he said? I want to know. Was he just like, she left a couple days ago and then goes on to all these great things about you. Yes. Yes. It was completely downplayed. Didn't give me the courtesy or respect to have a sit down conversation. Hey, this is what's been going on this week. This is where my headspace is at. Let's talk this through. Didn't owe me that. Just told me that very quickly and downplayed it and then immediately went to, but my heart chooses you. and you love my life. I don't want to spend forever with you.

Did you get an inkling that kind of what we saw happen post-engagement was going to happen that night? Because we never usually see someone say, I don't know if I want to show up. Usually when you get to that point, that person is ready to go there, whether they're going to accept a proposal. They have no idea. You were struggling before the engagement. Why was that?

Because we never really got those answers. My instincts were telling me I wasn't getting all the information. I needed to make a decision with Peter. And that's intuition. That's intuition and that's instincts. And should I have stayed on that bed in Australia? Absolutely. But I wasn't going to give up on someone that I loved.

And the last words he told me on our last chance date was that he was going to make the decision that is best for both of us and to trust him. And when you're with someone, you know, this is a wacky situation. But I'm taking it for what it is. When you're with someone, you trust their word. Yeah. And that's why I showed up because I was going to trust his words. and follow through.

And in the end, I think he, you know, took advantage of the fact that he conveniently left out very important information prior to me making a commitment with them. And, you know, as the audience is watching this for the very first time, I'm just like an average viewer. Like, I'm just like everyone else watching this. Like a lot of information was left out. Which is why, Bachelor, happy hour listeners.

I need to reiterate this because I was the same way when I was in your position. This is Hannah Ann's first time. truly watching this all go down. Yes, she lived it, but there are so many pieces to this entire puzzle that she missed that she didn't see. And so she was backstage watching it, just like we all were watching it. And so I'm sure in those moments, and even now, there's going to be a lot that you're still processing.

Can I ask you a question? When you say that there was a lot you didn't see, are you just talking about what happened post-engagement? Or are you also talking about what you watched the entire, this whole journey, like all these weeks, this entire season. Entire season. Entirely. Like explain to that. Really, it was Peter wanted me to stay with him. And he downplayed his feelings towards Madison completely. And even, you know, after our breakup, he couldn't really own up to it and reached out to my parents and said that he, you know, basically that he was struggling, processing all of his emotions.

That's what he left to that. And it was very vague. He speaks half-truths. And so while I'm watching the season, I'm like, oh, well, okay, that makes a lot more sense. Like this, why we broke up makes a whole lot more sense because he couldn't really own up to the fact of how he was truly feeling. I want to know too. So after, okay, so after you guys did get engaged and he was very vague about, oh, yeah, Madison left two days ago, but you guys still ended up together. You have days when you're together before, I'm sure you flew back.

to the U.S. before, you know, you got back to your normal life. Did he in those moments ever disclose more of why she left? Did you guys get into that conversation? No, he always, whenever that conversation was brought up, it was always like, this is the past and always made sure to reassure me that I was his person, that I was loved life, and that he was always going to choose me. So always kind of went in with that reassurance to where I'm like, hmm, okay. But as the season and started to roll, things weren't quite adding up. So let's break this down because I'm an evidenced, like, logical. I need to see how things pan out.

Yeah. So we talked to Peter, so you get engaged somewhere around a week before Thanksgiving, around that time. You're together this whole time. We talked to Peter first week in January. He tells us he is so happy. We talked to his parents. As we can see, Barb cannot control her emotions.

and she was happy at that time. So if it wasn't you, we would have already known she was not okay. So the season has started. Y'all are still together. Yeah. When did you have the conversation that we saw happen on TV? TV. You know, like I said on stage, the beginning of January was when he approached me that he needed to speak with Hannah Brown.

Yeah. Talk about that. Oh, go. We were trying to. No, that's the first red flag. But start, talk about that. He told you he needs to talk to Hannah Brown. Yes.

He told me he needed to talk to Hannah Brown because he needed closure. Did he not get that on? I was trying to convince me that I should feel comfortable with that. And I'm like, why did he need closure? Why do you? We're engaged. And just listen, I wasn't on that group date with him and Hannah Brown. Yeah.

I had not seen that episode of them all cozy, cozy up in a couch, him crying. and her possibly come back in the house, I had no idea, like none. And so when he brought that up, I'm like, wait, what? Like, I know she came back in the season, but can you explain more? And that was kind of when the episode was coming out. And I'm like, why should I feel comfortable with this?

This is something that I feel like if you don't seem like you're ready for any kind of commitment, let alone an engagement. Yeah. That was the first red flag. And I was questioning my own self because he was trying to convince me that that is something that he needed. And I'm like, I just, I don't quite feel settled with that. So did he get the closure?

No, that was pretty close. I think that was like a week before we broke up. So he never reached out to her. He never tried to contact her. Or was Hannah Brown a code for, oh, let me maybe have conversations with other women, aka Madison, where he was trying to open up the door and like test swatters and see how you felt? I probably. I don't quite know that was so close to us breaking up.

And then there was that going on, you know? And then there was the whole, oh, the season started. And I have unresolved issues. I'm like, what's unresolved issues? I mean, I'm by your side. I gave you my word to be by your side. And his unresolved issues were having to watch back the show. Once again, he completely downplayed it completely.

And, you know, when I showed up to the breakup, that was the very first time I heard him say, I can't give you my full heart. And I told him before I even went out there, I said, hey, like, you're wanting to end things. give me a little bit of a heads up I'll be fine trust me I'll cry you know just just give me a heads up and we actually had talked

to that morning that we weren't going to break up that we were going to work through it when was this February no the month of February very end of January very end of January so y'all went all through December

Christmas hot cool just fine you never had any inkling that he was because you during your breakup you kept saying I know you've been struggling and I'm here for you. That didn't start till January. That did not start until January.

I'm like, because one of the questions we had when we were watching was seeing how happy he was to go get that ring for you. We were sitting with Nil-Lay watching tonight. And he was like, the man I saw get that ring is not the man that I see now. Like just totally different. He was, he was ecstatic opposing. He was kissing to you. Yeah, he showed us pictures of the day of Peter kissing in the ring he picked out.

So I think what we're all trying to understand, like Becca and I, but also just like our listeners, Batchar Nation is what happened. I get the Hannah Brown unresolved. I don't know what that was, but with whatever he said to you, where you started for you to say when you were headed to L.A., hey, if we're breaking up, let me know, what was happening? Because that's not the first thing I would say. Yeah. I mean, it's just like what he told my parents even after a breakup. He was having trouble processing all of his emotions. Peter does not own up completely to the full truth. Just kind of like on our engagement day, he knew that if he told me the full extent of where his heart and head was at that entire week, he knew the outcome would have been different. He knew that when we sat down, had to open an honest conversation, my instincts would have picked up on that he was not ready for a commitment. And that's not what he wanted. I think that Peter that we've seen all season, is he's a hopeless romantic. He kind of, he has his head in the clouds where he, I think he hips himself up to think he wants certain things.

And it's not until he can take a step back or start rewatching this season where he sees the things that he now can't have. And I will say, like when I was still with Ari, because we were together for about a month and a half, had three happy couples together. Like you guys, you know, I knew he had been struggling and he felt guilty for how things went down. with obviously Lauren and I'm sure the other girls.

Like, that's just a human instinct. Right. But it wasn't, you know, he started watching the season back. Our season started when we were still together. And he said, he watched our season, our first episode, because we had the first date. It's like, oh my gosh, I'm more in love with you now than I ever was. And then fast forward to the next week where I wasn't on that date with him. And he started seeing other things.

And I think it's in that moment where you watch it back as a man. Because I don't think I got this as a woman, but I'm trying to try to kind of process and put my feet where, what am I trying to say? Put my feet in his shoes, whatever. Where he started then watching it back and started seeing his first date with Maddie and realizing the feelings were buried that he couldn't, as you said, quite own up to and acknowledge.

Guys are hard human beings to try. The thing that I think makes me feel for you is that we see him get down on one knee. Well, did we see him get down on one knee? He did get down on the end. I think I missed that part. I think I was so frazzled all night.

But you're like, you know, he gets engaged to you. He proposes you. He promises you all these things without being fully honest. And for everyone listening, for all the men out there, if you think that you have to do a certain thing because it's going to make us feel better, don't. Don't do it. Like, be honest with us and give us the respect and the courtesy

to make our decisions. Maybe had you known the full extent of everything, who knows what would have happened? You could have very easily said, said, you know, I love you. I want to be with you. I want to work through things. Maybe an engagement won't necessarily happen. But every woman and man who's on the show to deserves that respect. And deserves the truth. And so I don't know exactly what happened. I mean, nothing really surprises me by Peter. Watching back the season has actually been really helpful for me because

it's helped me work through any unresolved feelings I had towards him because I'm able to see how he is consistently indecisive and confused. And who wants to be with that? And that doesn't make me feel secure in being with him. And so it's really helping move forward because I know I deserve more than just someone giving,

you know, then someone just half loving me. You know, I deserve someone, you know, someone who's going to give me 100% and I felt like me being so clear and not playing mind games with him

that he would give me that return. But really he was just reckless with my heart. Well, And he had said all season, I want someone to love me as much as I love them. And that was you. You gave that to him. You did. You loved him more, if anything.

And so I think he didn't, I think he went into the season thinking one thing, thinking it was going to be this magical, like beautiful, super easy, great seamless love story. And that wasn't the case. And I think he couldn't quite own up to what it was he truly wants and needs in a partner. All right, Bachelor, happy hour listener. Part 2 with The Amazing Hannah-Anne will be coming up this Friday, but you know we have to get into everything that happened during the finale. So Rachel, we got to dive in. You and I need to talk, Becca.

We need to talk about what we saw. So Hannah-Anne came out. She was a boss. She killed it. She set her peace. She put Peter in his place. He couldn't even defend himself. All he could say was, you're right.

So the second half of the episode, we deal with what happened with Madison, Chris Harrison, goes to her. I'm going to sum this up real quick because we just, want to get to the meat of it. Chris Harrison goes to see Madison. Madison says she's still into Peter and she goes out to fly with Peter. We don't know the exact timeline. We don't know how much time was. It seemed like it was very quick. It seemed like she hopped on a plane and flew out with Chris Harrison to L.A. That's how it was presented to us. Right. She gets to L.A. Peter has no idea he's going to see her. They see each other. They say they have this. There's so much to talk about. Of course, in true fashion this season, we see them talk about absolutely nothing other than

they have feelings for each other. And then it cuts to Peter. talking about Madison, we see Madison come out, we see them sitting there, they seem happy, but they're not touching. There seems to still be some space in between them. And we see them once again kind of dance around what it is that they are. We still, are they boyfriend, girlfriend? We know they're not engaged. We obviously know they're not married. And one thing we learn for sure is that Barb and the rest of the family, and apparently the friends as well, do not approve of their relationship. So, Becca, that sums up what we saw. Where do we even start to begin about it? I mean, all of that being said, what was your take when it came to watching

what went down tonight? Because I didn't expect any of this. You could read a spoiler, an article, have your own preconceived notions, but you didn't know it was going to go down like this. No. And the best way I can describe it is when we first sat down with Peter, at the very beginning of his season, he said he felt like there was something new and crazy thrown his way every week. And I feel like that didn't stop even through the finale. And like think of everything that went down tonight, people. The main craziest part should have been that switcheroo and the breakup with Hannah Ann. And it wasn't. It was everything that played out after. And Rich, as you said, we don't know we're Madison and Peter Stand. We don't know what is going on. We don't even know

if they're in a relationship, if they're not in a relationship. Rachel is currently holding up a picture of Madison right now, and I don't know what that means. But Lori Kay Publications just couldn't help herself and posted a picture of Madison, her new client, about how she's the epitome of a class act. So Madison already has a manager slash PR person slash agent who couldn't wait five seconds to post that this is her new client. I'm sorry, Becca. that you're talking and I'm so distracted, but it just so goes into something that we talked about this season when it comes to we couldn't understand. And I really wish we had the opportunity

to talk to Madison and I really wish we had the opportunity to talk to Peter about why are you here when you're looking for a certain type of man who has certain values, certain standards? And there's nothing wrong with that. You should want what you want for yourself. But the confusing part comes in, you're looking for him in a place where usually those type of men don't dwell. And as we understand, Peter is not that type of man for you, which is his parents and friends' concern. And in trying to figure out the logical way of what could her possible motivation and reason be for being here, one of those is that she wants to experience the platform, the bachelorette, the followers, whatever. And I just find it very coincidental that she has hired a manager slash PR person slash agent to represent her, which we know prior to the season being over with because that person posted her on International Women's Day and the season was still going. And now couldn't miss a beat to let everybody know, hey, if you want divs on Madison, I represent her, which makes me question her motives this entire time.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I know Madison fans are going to come after me, but I'm sorry. You have to be logical about this situation. Hannah Ann told us she doesn't even have one. And this girl's been modeling for years. Yeah.

No, Rachel, you are talking to a rule follower here because there are certain timelines that we have to adhere to as the lead. And getting a representation at that point doesn't add up. I, for one, don't even have an agent still. And I've been Bachelorette, I mean, two years ago. And I still just do most things myself. So, you know, Rachel, as you just mentioned,

you're probably going to get a lot of backlash for that. But that's on the case people. I mean, Rachel's calling it like it is. And it's a very strange scenario that we find ourselves in after this whole Bachelor world. But it doesn't add up. It's very interesting to me, given the timeline of everything. Yeah.

It doesn't make sense. That aside, my main takeaway from tonight is we watched last night's episode and we watched Madison send herself home two days before the finale because, as she said, their lifestyles and their morals don't line up. They don't match so she removes herself. Okay. That's one thing. Good for her in that moment for standing up for what she believes and what she thinks is right and logical. Yes. Nothing since then has changed, though, besides.

Peter's still saying he loves her. You know, yes, Chris Harrison flew out to Auburn to tell her that Peter was engaged and then ended this engagement because he still loves Madison. But regardless, like, their lifestyles are still the same. He was still engaged.

She had an issue with him being intimate with women in the fantasy suite. Well, what do you think happened during those couple months when he was engaged? He had a woman he was engaged to being intimate with. Nothing has changed. I just don't understand. how if you i i understand her feeling even if i don't agree with it it doesn't mean that i don't

understand it i understand the feeling of how difficult that is to accept a proposal from someone that you know that just was intimate with other a woman or other women we don't know for sure so that's fine that that's what you believe in what people have been so proud of her and praising her for is that she has these morals and these convictions and she holds true to them now you know as you were saying, Becca, he got down on one knee and said he wanted to give his whole heart and spend the rest of his life with another woman, has spent time, you know, cultivating that relationship and then breaks it off and says he, well, he didn't tell her he wanted her, but you knew that he broke it off. And I think Chris Harrison said it was because of her,

so she did know. And you're so easily willing to take him back. It's, you know, the same people who were praising her for that. How can you still hold your? true that oh she knows what she wants and she deserves better but yes she goes running back to him there's just so many contradictions it's so confusing that i understand why his family has their concerns which brings us to a whole other topic they had that camera on poor barb with i don't even think she knew the whole time oh she did not know oh my gosh i felt so bad for her i mean i'm a person who cannot control my facial expressions becca you say you can't control your hands You don't know what to do with them in a picture.

I cannot control my facial expression, so I just wear it all on my face. And this is a mother, you guys. You may not agree with her, but this is a mother who is concerned about the well-being and the heart of her son. And she wants somebody who loves her son unconditionally, and she had that with Hannah-Anne.

Yes, maybe her delivery was a little bit off. Yes, Rachel, as you said, it is a mother, and I am not a mom. but I can only imagine that protectiveness, that mother bear instinct that you have for a child. And we saw that with her. And all she wanted, she's been saying this the entire time,

is that she wants somebody to love her son, the same way she found love with her husband. And she saw that with Hannah Ann. Now, one thing that I'm glad that she brought up, and maybe this is the moment where she should have been cut off after she said this the first time, but she said, you know, Madison, when she came in after having this great moment with Hannah-Anne, Madison came in, she made them wait for three hours. She didn't say, sorry, you know, apologies for making you wait.

This is already a long process as it is. Like, they've been waiting to see their son. They've only seen them for one day in a span of a couple months. And so that in itself, I'm sure, is frustrating, but, and Barb disclosed this very briefly today to us and on the TV. But when she had that moment with Madison, and it wasn't aired, but she asked Madison, do you love my son? And Madison in that moment said, no. So as a mom, I can only put myself in that position and say, well, I have one woman here who is all in wholeheartedly ready to give herself to my son. And one who at this moment in time, you know, he's ready to get engaged tomorrow, is saying, no, I don't love your son.

Of course she's going to have questions. Of course, she's going to call that out to Peter and say, maybe she's not the one for you. And now, granted, people, I know that there's a lot that we don't see. You know, we're trying to make a show in a two-hour period once a week. There's so much that goes down. But going off of what we know, that is alarming. Yeah. And like, let's break this down what you said.

So a lot of times people say to us, you're not taking into consideration what you didn't see. Well, you're welcome, you guys to Barr because she told you what you. you didn't see. So just imagine last night you hear Barb express her feelings and you see her crying and you see her saying, but she's just not into you. She's not here for you. And you're wondering, how in the world is she saying that? Then people go on social media and are all in Barb's comments and they're saying all these things to her. So Barb feels the need to defend herself. Okay. Whether you agree with her or not, she felt the need to speak her truth. So what did she do the first opportunity she was given the chance to do it. She spoke her truth. And she explained to you guys

that in three hours, or she waited three hours for Madison to come speak to her, and Madison did not even want to come in and meet the parents. How would that make you feel as a family member possibly meeting the fiancé of your son, the potential fiance of your son? The girl doesn't even want to walk in and meet you. Then she does come in and meet you, and that's only because your son, begged her to come in. How do you accept somebody into your family when that's how you're starting off? Then when she does come inside, she doesn't even have the courtesy to apologize for the three hours she kept the family waiting. So you're already setting this scene and this mood for the family to come and talk to you. Then Barb revealed that when she did talk to her, as Becca stated,

she said, I don't love him when asked. And she said she wouldn't accept a proposal. So of course, Barb is crying knowing that her son is madly in love with a girl who does not reciprocate those feelings and that is the emotion that you're seeing come from Barb. So before you judge her and you jump on her, yes, Becca and I both agree. She took it

just a little too far and they had a little too much information. But in that moment in what she said, that she is giving you the background that you guys so desperately beg for and you're still holding it against her because we've seen social media today and you guys are ripping Barb. That

is what I just like don't think it's fair and I don't understand how when she said that and she put it back the ball back in Madison and Pete's Pete's Peter's court what was Madison's response nothing she never addressed what Barb said she never addressed saying she wasn't in love with Peter she never addressed saying she wouldn't accept a proposal that she made them wait for three hours that she didn't want to meet them she skirted over that and simply responded by saying, I have always been myself this entire time. And what did the audience do? Clap.

I will say this, though. You know, there's a lot that went down tonight that was painful to watch and to take in. I really am struggling with the lack of conversation. Yeah. I wanted her to explain why she did that and she did. And she just said, I've been myself. And you guys clapped.

But she did say one thing that I will say warranted a good response from the audience. She said, it's not just Peter finding love. it's me too and it's 50-50 which I will back her up in that regard and say yes girlfriend it is 50-50 I appreciate that but still there was that lack of communication there was that lack of conversation she didn't address the conversation with barb that barb had brought up also to the moment when

we saw madison go back to l.A. and see peter for the first time i mean clearly he was shocked he as he said he thought it was crisp walking behind him but in that moment too when they reunited there wasn't really any depth to that conversation either other than love. And Rachel, you said it best when we were talking to Hannah Ann is that it's a room ever for the most part, Bachelor Nation is made up of hopeless

romantics. It's a room of people who want the lead and these people on TV to find love. That's the base of it and yes, Peter's expressing that to Madison, but there needs to be more than that. There needs to be more addressed than just, I love you, I ended my engagement for you like all of the reasons why you guys ended in the first place are still there and that needs to be brought up because me as a viewer and i've said this all season is that

i feel like i'm missing so much i guess my thing is is the whole it's 50 50 and that's right but are you giving 50 50 because that's not what we're seeing and then also it's my journey okay that's true it is your journey and nobody's taking that away from you but we're trying to understand the contradictions that are within your journey. We're trying to understand where you are with Peter and where your heart is. Because I'll be honest, I didn't see it on that stage tonight. I don't doubt that Peter and Madison have love for each other. I 100% agree with that. But what I saw on that stage tonight, all I saw was that it's not if this is going to end, it's wind it's going to end. The odds are always against you already. And if you don't

believe what what I'm saying or what Becca saying. Can we talk about the voice of reason and the family? Pete's senior. When Pete Sr. spoke, he said, when you're in the beginning of a relationship, that's when it's light and it's fun and you're so, you're like two giddy kids getting to know each

other. And that has not been the case for Madison and Peter. It's been difficult. It's been hard. They're so opposites attract, but your morals and your values have to be the same. And that what Peter's family is saying is that they're not on the level. So this relationship is kind of doomed. If Madison is really that strong into her

convictions, which no one's faulting her for, then you can't possibly want the type of man that Peter is, which again, that's not a problem for him. That's who he is. It just, it just won't work. It's just, you can want to see them together and want love for Peter and want love for Madison, but the two of them together, it just doesn't work. And if you didn't think, if you thought it was because they were different in their lifestyles and their values, now add on top that the family does not like her. The family does not get along with her. And she went back at Barb, not faulting her for defending herself at all. I probably would have done the same thing. But on live TV, went back and forth. It is clear that there is tension there that they don't get along. Peter's very into his

family. And there's just no way that Madison herself is going to want to be a part of a family that's not into her and that doesn't accept her, which Barb just said in front of millions and people in front of the whole world. Like, it's doomed. And it's sad to say that. that because we wanted Peter to find love. But it's doomed. Yeah. And one thing too, like playing into feelings and emotions, you know, I'm, I really try to watch body language. And tonight we saw it on stage, but even last night in the, the date that Peter and Madison had together when he's trying to convince her to come meet his parents. There's the, the physicality there is lacking. If people please, we'll go back and watch that moment from yesterday. There's moments where

Peter tries to go in to kiss her, to hold her, and she's like recoiling from him. And then tonight, you get on stage. And I remember, you know, granted, my situation with Garrett a couple years ago during my finale is completely different from this. I cannot compare the two. But in this moment, for the most part, this should be, you're finally in public together. You can finally say to there's names in front of everyone. There should be some sort of excitement and giddiness. And like I couldn't keep my hands off, Garrett. And the couches seem to get smaller here by here on the stage.

But when Peter and Madison were sitting on it together, it's like they weren't touching whatsoever. It was like they, I don't know. It just felt off to me. It felt very strange. It was all off. And of course, as you said, yes, there was tension with the family. And Barb had mentioned with his friends too. but still, if you still want to make this relationship work,

you still have to have some sort of communication internally with each other. And if they want to make this work, like Peter have her back, like grab her, hold her close, like do something to reassure her in this moment. Yeah. And it just wasn't there. He should have taken up for her. Like I don't agree with going up against your family like that.

And I definitely believe in respect. But I felt like he, like you said, he should have butted in a bit and defended her a little bit more. Yeah, well, and we were watching it. And in that moment, I'm like, Peter, stand up for her, have her back, say something. You know, we saw him be like, well, dad, say something. But it's like, if that was my man, I would want him to have my back regardless. Yeah.

And I would want to feel safe and secure in that moment. You're right. Because it's terrifying. You're in front of a live audience on live TV with millions of people watching. Yeah. Like, you need to be together if that's what you're trying to. be. Yeah. And you hit the knell on the head because you knew how your family felt about her before we did tonight. And so you should have been prepared to fight for your relationship just a little

bit more. If you choose Madison, then stand behind and behind it and fight for it and fight for what you guys have. And we didn't see that from them tonight. I just, this whole thing, it's, it was more, we've been calling this season a shit show. But tonight, it really was the culmination of that i mean it was way way crazier than i expected um i my advice to peter and madison at this point would just be like you just need to go away from the public and find yourselves because i do know what it's like for everybody to have an opinion about your relationship and sorry this is what we do on this podcast we have opinions about what we just saw so i get that but you need to go away from the spotlight, do you, and figure yourselves out without anybody else having

their own opinion, even his family. Madison and Peter need to define who they are away from everybody else. I'm not quite sure what's going to happen. I hope she focuses on their relationship and if you're going to come back to Peter and knowing what you're walking into, because she kind of got into it with the mom before, then I hope that you give it your all. And I hope that's your focus more than whatever your new career is. I want to end it on a high note, though, because we've, this entire season, we've seen so much stuff go down. And tonight, that was no exception.

But we did introduce one other badass lady to the stage, which was our upcoming bachelor's at Claire Crawley, which, you know, we didn't get to see too much of her. I'm kind of bummed because I was hoping she'd be able to meet a couple of her guys that she will soon be dating. But I, she is going to be a brother fresh air, I think, for us. And she, I really liked not to bring up anyone's past, but I liked the scene that Chris pulled up of her with Juan Pablo and putting him in his place and saying what she had to say

because we know going into this upcoming season, she's not going to be afraid to call out guys. I think she's going to nip the bullshit in the butt when she can. Yeah. And it's going to be such a different vibe from what we've seen in Peter's season. I think in the couple seasons passed. So I'm really excited and looking forward to Claire.

Agreed. I feel like the franchise has spoken. They heard you Batchar Nation. They're wiping the slate clean. I think we've gone through this phase of leads. And I think we're a little over it at this point with the outcomes that we've received. So it'll be nice to see what Claire brings to the table because it's going to be something different. So I hope you guys are excited as we are to watch it.

And, you know, we'll be covering it here on Bats for Happy Hour. I also really hope that Claire finds love and there's an engagement because I want to see what a lasting ring looks like because I feel like they've been so brief. We can barely even see them these past couple seasons. That's well said. We need more of the Elaine. We got to put Nieland to work. All right.

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