Bachelor Happy Hour - Exclusive Interview with ‘The Bachelor’ Stylist and Makeup Artist

Episode Date: May 26, 2020

In their first-ever podcast, “Bachelor” stylist Cary Fetman and “Bachelor” makeup artist Gina Modica open up about their decades-long careers with the “Bachelor” franchise. From their favorite looks over the years to the biggest fails, Cary and Gina offer up an inside look at how things really go down behind the scenes.Plus, Rachel and Becca discuss the huge roles both Cary and Gina played in their journeys on “The Bachelorette,” as well as their lives since.Follow Cary @CaryFetmanFollow Gina @GinaModicaMakeupBe sure to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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this is wisecrack available now listen to wisecrack on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts what's up bachelor happy hour listeners welcome back today we have another exciting episode for you like we always do every single week we're excited to share this one with you because listen to your heart may be over but you know what they say when one door closes another one opens and today we're opening another door for you. And Becca, it's a little thing called Bachelor of the Greatest Seasons Ever. And we've been teasing this. You've heard about it. It's been rumored. But now you know, it airs June 8th, 8th, 7th Central on ABC. I am excited about this, Becca. I know you are. So I feel like we need to let people know what the hell this all is. Because it's the greatest

seasons ever. What does that mean? There have been, what, 20-something seasons of The Bachelor, 16 or 15? seasons of the Bacillette. So what does this all mean? We know there's 10 weeks of this. So most of you know, the Bacorette was supposed to start airing every Monday night now, as of now. Claire should be engaged. However, the world has had other plans. We're living in unprecedented times right now. We just, we don't know what to expect. COVID-19 has pretty much changed everything for us. And unfortunately, we had to postpone filming for Claire's seasons. Still exciting about it. Still know that it's going to come. I actually talk to Claire last. night. And we really had a Kiki. And I was like, yes. No, I really did. And I was like,

I was like, Claire, I am ready. I am so into this season. I was excited when they announced you. Becca is too. We've already talked about a little bit on our podcast and can't wait to actually start talking about our season. But until then, Bachelor franchise, we don't disappoint you. We always giving, we always give you exactly what you need. So at first, this news was of course a little heartbreaking. But of course, we can't let our incredible. fans down. We can't let you go Monday nights, empty-handed. So what did we do? We started. Bachelor, the greatest seasons ever. So what this is, this is a 10-episode series event that will take audiences on a journey to look back at some of the most dramatic moments ever from the Bachelor

franchise. Each Monday directly from the Bachelor Mansion, Mr. Chris Harrison will reach into the vault of Bachelor history and bring back one of his favorite seasons, highlighting some of the most devastating rose ceremonies, passionate proposals, unexpected. new arrivals, dramatic meltdowns, biggest breakups, and, of course, the most romantic moments. The weekly retrospectives will also include virtual catch-ups with fan-favorite bachelor alumni, checking on the latest in their lives after the final rose. Rach, I am so excited for this because, I mean, unlike you, I had watched some seasons of the Bachelor and Bachelor, and I haven't seen that many, to be honest. I started watching, like,

later in college. So going back in the vault is going to be so fun for, I think, viewers to watch and so fun for us to recap. There's probably a lot, a lot that has changed since we were the leads from when the show first started. So I cannot wait. And it's crazy to think that the Boucher franchise has been around for 18 years. I mean, we've touched on this, but like think of everything that's gotten down from all of the proposals and maybe like the proposals that didn't work and so many breakups, so many hookups, so many scandals, so many marriages and even now babies. So the Bachelor franchise as a whole has just blessed us with so many things and hopefully so many things to look forward to. And I think we came out super lucky because we found

the love of our lives. So it's going to be fun to recap. I'm really excited to see some of those older seasons and just how it's evolved. And speaking of one evolution, there's something that has definitely changed and evolved over time, which is fashion. So it's crazy because I'll go back through old pictures and photos and clips and be like, holy crap, why did I wear that on my season? Do you? Yes. I love everything I wore. I wouldn't change the thing. Well, I mean, you know, you, I will say, you are much more fashionable and stylish than I am. If I could wear leggings and sweatshirts all day, every day I would. But on the flip side, there are also certain things that I wore in my season that I wish I could wear every day. Like, there's one gun in particular that if it was,

If it was acceptable to, like, go grocery shopping in a gown, I would do it. Let's be honest. But, you know, there's so many rumors about different outfits that are worn on The Bachelor, and there are so many conspiracy theories out there on the Internet. But what a lot of people don't know is that there's actually a very, very talented team that works tirelessly behind the scenes and making us all look good each and every season. And I'm only talking about The Bachelor and Bachelorette Leeds and Chris Harrison because, let's be honest, they can't afford to dress everyone. So the contestants still have to do that on their own. They're still responsible for their own glam and wardrobe. But when you have the honor of being the lead on the show or being

Chris Harrison, you're handed over the most incredible team who make us look the way that we do on the show. And for me, let's be honest, it took a village. Carrie and Gina did amazing. So in honor of The Bachelor, the greatest seasons ever, which we will be referring to as Bachelor Mondays now, we thought it would also be fun to take a trip down memory lane with the dynamic duo that has made us look so glamorous throughout the years. Today on the podcast, we have bachelor's stylist Carrie Fetman and makeup artist Gina Modica, who we both have worked so closely with on our seasons. They are here to share some of the secrets, the process, the best looks, and the fails. And you know we always try to give you the best behind-the-scenes secrets

insider information. And so I'm so excited to have you guys meet them because we love them so incredibly much. And they are such an integral part of the bachelor family. Yeah, I'm excited that Carrie and Gina are coming on. I feel like we know them so, so well. People think they know them. I feel like in these past seasons, these most recent seasons, the contestants, and by that, I mean the women, follow Carrie and Gina even prior to the show. They're so in tune to what's happening in this Bachelor franchise. They follow them, but they don't know them.

They don't know. They see the glitz and the glamour. They don't know the hard work that it takes. They don't know the story, what it has taken for them to get to this point. And they don't know the memories that we have working with Carrie and Gina. So I'm really, really excited for today, especially because I know Carrie and Gina have never done a podcast. I cannot wait to have them.

I mean, every time we see them and talk to them, it's just, it brings back so many memories. It's like a walk down memory lane. And for me personally, like when I think of when I was on my season as the lead, like, of course the main thing that came from that was Gary. and my relationship with him. Like, I found lasting love throughout the show, but also, like, when I think about it, I think of Carrie and Gina,

because they were in our lives, day and day out, they got to know such a deeper side to us than viewers ever will see. And so it's going to be really special to catch up with them. And I can't wait to hear their take on not only our seasons, but others as well. Okay, so Carrie and Gina

have been a part of the Bachelor family for far longer than you and I have, Becca. And I'm sure they have way more stories, way more secrets than we can ever imagine. And we're going to try to get into a little of that today. I feel like Carrie and Gina are mythical creatures when it comes to the Bachelor franchise. You hear about them. You never really get to talk about them. You might see them pass through the camera, maybe on Instagram.

But we are honored to have them on our podcast. Their very first podcast they've ever done, and they're doing it together with us. us here today. I know you guys are dying to ask them quite. Well, actually, we asked you guys to send in some questions. So we're going to get to all of that. But welcome to the show. That's our Happy Hour. Carrie and Gina. Yay. We're so happy you guys are here with us doing your first ever. First ever. Actually, Gina and I. I love this. So Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, there's so much, obviously, that goes on behind the scenes that you don't see that puts the show. together season after season. And two of the key components, I mean, Gina and Carrie, you guys have

seen it all. You've been there not only with Rach and I, but with literally everyone. You've helped us cry. You've helped us laugh. You've helped us find love. And you are such a major component, as Rachel said. So we're so happy to have you. We love you guys. And as she said, we have a lot of fun questions for you. But I think first to start it off, I mean, there's so many different looks that we've had, you know, season after season and on date after date. So Rachel and I thought it would be fun to start and share our top three favorite looks from our seasons with you guys. Richel, are you ready for this? Well, this was tough for me. I'm mad that I had to narrow it down to three. As I was like trying to pick a look, I was like, ooh, wait, this

dress is bomb. Oh, wait, my makeup is fire in this photo. You know, it was really hard. So I pick three, but I'm not married to this three. I just want to preface. by that. Yeah, it was hard to narrow down. Okay, so the first look that I chose, I was in, I think it was a McDougal dress, which I can't believe I didn't pick start off with a Randy

Rom. But it was black. It was like trimmed in gold. I looked like a goddess, a queen. I had this fur over my shoulders. Not real fur for everyone who's listening, because I don't even want y'all to come at me for that. But I remember the men.

I had my hair pinned back. and kind of like a Kim K vibe and my makeup, of course, matched it. I had my jewelry going. And I remember I walked in and the men go, oh my gosh. And I said, that's it. That's one of my favorite looks. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah, big time.

I'm looking at the photo right now and it is stunning. This one. That's what I love about you, Rach's. I feel like you always have the personality to match what you wear. So if you want to be sassy or sassy, if you want to be like more soft and romantic, you can. I just feel it's always awkward. So I'm like, I don't know what to do right now. I love this look, though.

It is stunning. I can't remember. I feel like it all kind of came together, too, as we were doing it. Like, you know, before the season, you pick out dresses. But I feel like when we picked out the dress, we didn't initially pick out the fur to wear with it. And it just kind of came together. It became a mood as we were, okay, I'm going to wear this. Okay, Gina's going to match my makeup.

up with this. Oh, we're going to wear this jewelry. I feel like that's kind of how we did things. We pieced it together as we were going along with the show. Whatever mood we were in. Yeah. And one thing that I'm so happy. We have you, Gina and Carrie on today is every day it was different. So every day we would sit down with Gina and she'd be like, okay, what are you wearing? What kind of look do you want? And then we would recreate, okay, do we want a smoky eye? Do we want a bold lip and pair it with whatever Carrie's styling us in. And then on top of that, we get all glam, we get our gowns or our outfits on. And then Carrie, you are so fun about always finding the perfect jewelry. So you would have just this array of earrings or rings or bracelets. And you would

just play around and stack them and be like, okay, I'm liking this. What about this? And we would just play off of each other and build and build until we found what we loved. And that was one of the most things I think that I loved about being the lead is being able to play dress up like that because I never get to in my real life. I think that's the fun part for me too, is also having somebody that's willing to allow Gina and I to play. I mean, not everybody is like the two of you. Some were a little easier, some a little harder. Who? Just kidding. Just kidding. But the ones who were fun. Allow Gina and I to just, you're right, the things come

together that day. Those were not planned. Those were whatever the mood was, whatever Gina did with your hair was the jewelry. And the rings were just, and make you put your hands out, we would put five rings on and then start eliminating.

Other than Rachel, of course. Yeah, I wanted them all. Becca, what was one of your favorite looks? Um, so I'm going to start off. I think, so I love It's my favorite color. And it was my very first group date, the evening portion at the cocktail party. I had this. It was like this poppy red Randy Rum jumpsuit that had like this plunging neckline lace at the top, belted in. It was the most stunning jumpsuit. And I love a good

jumpsuit. And I saw this one. I think we had actually tried it on carry out your apartment before the season started to get it fitted. And I want, let me put this out there right now. If I ever die, well, I will die one day, but I want to be buried in this jumpsuit. It's hot. I loved it. And I remember, I was so nervous that day, because like I said, it was my first group date. And I was like, I don't know how to handle all these men. And I walked in, I had a coat over it. And I remember walking in to see all the guys and taking the coat off and kind of of like you, Rachel, they were like, and I was like, oh my gosh, like this. I've never had that attention on me before. It was crazy. The one thing I remember to is getting ready with Gina that

night. She asked, you know, okay, what kind of look do you want to go for? And since it was such a bold jumpsuit, I was like, I want to do a bright red lip. I want the lipstick to match the jumpsuit. And so when I first walked in, I had the bright red lip to match the jumpsuit. And then I think I talked to, I don't remember who I talked to first. One of the guys, we'd go, we're together for like 20 minutes, we make out. And I started walking out. And some of the producers were like, you can't go back into that room right now with all the guys, because I had red lipstick all over my face from that. And so I was like, dang it, my look is ruined. So I had to kind of read, Gina, I think you kind of like wiped it off. You gave me then a nude lip. And so I learned my

lesson early on that maybe a bright red lip is not for me when you're trying to date multiple guys. We warn everybody about the red lip. Mm-hmm. And I think you did warn me that night too. Telling you guys not to kiss is almost impossible

but sometimes you just have to do the red lip. Mm-hmm. No, at the red towards the end of the season where the dates are a little longer. Mm-hmm. You know, you don't start making out from the beginning. Mm-hmm. Well, well, take you back before you kissed your first guy that night

what was that how long did it take you before you kissed your first guy that oh god it was probably like 30 minutes in carry I was going to say if the lip was fresh it was pretty much yeah it was right away I had to go I think we redid my makeup in the kitchen pantry or something to fix it but then throughout the season this is what I love Gina and she'd always be like

okay do you want a makeup lip which meant like a more nude toned down color or if I wasn't feeling the guy, I wanted a brighter, bolder color because I was like, I don't want to kiss him. I'm fine if I leave my lipstick on. Right. Exactly. I don't think you can go wrong with the red lips. So that was perfect for that outfit. Okay, another look was one that we fought for. Carrie, you remember this one. This was, I'm trying to find the picture to pull it up. This was an orange dress. It was see-through. We fought everybody to make this dress happen. And I wore it in Rio Ha, Spain, when I was eliminating Eric.

So we were getting down to the top two. Hold on. I'm trying to find this look. What? I remember. I have a good photo of it. That one. Yes.

The wind blowing behind your body suit under. Yeah, all these pictures were stolen from here. That we had to do a full body suit so that it would be, we matched it to your skin tone. Mm-hmm. It's a diet. It's a diet. Yeah.

Yeah. No, that was one of my favorite looks. I felt like a goddess. I loved it even more because there was a fight behind it. You know what I mean? So it was like a fight the system, fight the power dress. What did you say? Or she loved it more.

There's a story behind it. The whole season, you loved it more when we had to have a fight over it. Well, you know, it's the essence of me. What about you, Becca? What was your second look? second look um i'm trying oh so this is probably carry i'm sorry i picked this one because i don't think you loved it as much as i did but i believe it was my second row ceremony and it was a really hard week and i think i was supposed to go into that row ceremony wearing something else but i think

because i was kind of down and anxious and stressed you were like where where the dress that you want so it was like this plunging neckline. It was like, I don't even know what color you would call it, like a royal blue kind of violet, all sequins had this big slit up the left leg, kind of had a little train in the back, low back. It was just, that was it. And that is something, it wasn't until I was bachelor where I was like, oh, I can, I can wear anything and I can have like, if my mom was there, she'd be like, Becca, your boobs are going to come out. You cannot wear that. But that was the fun thing about being with Carrie and Gina, and they were like, go for it. And so I loved that dress.

I don't even know if we had to really alter it or fit it because I think I put it on and it just fit like a glove. And it was so comfortable. It was so light. And so, and I, Carrie, do you remember who the stylist was? I don't know what, what, uh. No, the design. I'm trying to remember the designer of that one. Yeah.

But I know it was probably at the beginning, when I, those are usually like when I want the most fancy foofy but this one is hot I'm sorry I remember thinking your boobs are going to come out of that any second no Carrie it one I did I had a nip slip that night I remember David who was the chicken on my season had like pulled me aside and pushed me around a corner by the fireplace and started making out with me oh whoa and I remember when he stepped away one of I think one of the camera guys was like Becca and he like pointed down and he like pointed down and And I had a little, little baby nip slip. Well, that was the only one. David had to show that. And yours was a good season because it's rare that there's only one slippage. Yeah. Well, Carrie, I didn't have really much to work with, let's be honest.

Yes, as we are now recalling, I can't believe I forgot this, but I did have a nips, so Carrie, in your experience, what is the best way? What kind of undergarments would you recommend to combat that? No, it's cut down to your belly button. There was no undergarment. There was nothing. So you were on your own, basically. Right, a couple of pieces of tape and pray to God.

That's not how the evening is going to end for you. Yeah. Well, if you will also recall another look that we're not going to get into detail with. But you were the one who, I think it was the first time I was going to meet five guys during the, after the final rose, before I was actually lead. I had that gold kind of green black dress. And you knew this. I didn't know this, but I was going to be put up on a horse on the live stage in front of the audience.

And surprise everyone, I wasn't wearing anything under that. And so before that all happened, Carrie, you pulled me backstage and you gave me some underwear that you guys were searching for because you knew I was going to get on that horse. So you kind of know in that experience, you get like the new quick little thong to put on, whatever it might be. Yeah. Unfortunately, I did not know that evening either was going to be turning out like that until we were already there. That is why I didn't hear that you weren't wearing underwear until I heard what was going to plan on. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, shit, where am I getting underwear for her right now?

This is not a planned thing by me. Yeah. Well, the moral of the story is you always need to carry and Gina with you guys to help out in those situations. Yes. Okay. So last look, because we have so much more to get into, the third look, a little thing. I walked in thinking I knew exactly how I wanted to be dressed and how I, not really my makeup, because I really didn't know what was up with that. But I was like, I just want simple dresses, high slits, that's it. No glitter. No, like, glitz, glit. No. Nothing. I just wanted to be sexy, simple and sexy. So the dress that I chose was simple in a sense that it was black, but sexy, because it had a highest split that came all the way up past my hip bone. And in the middle, it was a Randy Rom dress, because of course I had to choose a Randy Rom. And it had stones, jeweled stones, three of them, all the way up to the top of the split. And I loved it. And my makeup was perfect because it was dark. And it was dark. And it was. like intense and it just matched the boldness of the dress it was beautiful i loved it it's one of my favorite looks from that season hair makeup dress it was stunning yeah that one really was that was a pretty randy sometimes playing dresses do work i know everybody thinks that there's

no reason behind why everybody wear sequins and things like that they all think that i i do this to you guys. I've worn to all of you. I'll never push you into a gown. You all came in with that idea that, okay, I need to wear, you know, I'm never going to wear sequins. I don't want sequins. I don't want crystals. And yet somehow you all picked these gowns. And so it's amazing how that seems to work out. Well, and you kind of. It's also put you into a lip. What did you say? I said, I will push you into a lip even when you don't want it. But I think a lip, That's it. You know, like, they're like eyebrows, shape the face. But I think a bold, not a bold lip, but just the color of your lips really sets the makeup. You know, if you have the wrong lip, it throws everything off. So, like, definitely defer to you as the expert when it comes to that. And you would like mix and match the palettes. You're like, you were like, you're like, you're like, I'm going to take a little color there, a little color there, a little color here. And then you were like, okay, Becca, does she not give you the little package when you go on your day? And she's like, just apply this. And I'm like, I'm shit out of luck. There's no. way I'm going to be able to match this lip, the same way that you did.

No, you guys did great. Most of the time, you put the same lipstick back on. She sometimes wear not so much. Bain's very distance. Gina, you are an artist because, as Rage said, you would have this palette, and we would show you the color of the dress or the outfit that we're wearing, and you would pull so many different ones together. You'd have your little paintbrush.

you'd mix them all together and you just have the best eye so i don't know my question for you is when you see those colors do you just kind of know what works well together are you like oh let's try this out and see how it turns out or what's your process kind of a little of both most of the time i know what i like but what i like sometimes you guys will be like no that's not going to happen there's some people that refuse to do darker lipstick but i gradually kind of that's why i throw a color end because I can start out lighter and then kind of trick you into me going darker, we just keep adding. You kind of just get used to it as it goes so your eye gets more comfortable to. So yeah, kind of we just wing it. I mean, I always, I'm hopeful for the color that I want.

Yeah. It's basically balanced. Rachel was pretty easy with a lot of it. She was used to wearing, I think, bold color. I'm not used to it, but I mean, you were just really open for everything. So I could have thrown any color on her. And I would say 90% of the time, we would just go with it. Yeah. How many times? That kind of a look. So, and that's cool. That's your face. You know, we do what you guys want. But eventually we usually get, you know, we come to a happy medium. Gina, how many times did people leave in one color and throughout the evening change?

Well, there's a few of my girls that, yeah, definitely would try to go back, especially in the beginning of the season. They kind of got used to it towards the end. But in the beginning, I would start out with maybe a bright color and I'd watch the season or I'd notice that they didn't use what I gave them but their color from, you know, 10 years ago was still in their bag and they would just reapply their gloss

so they would have a great dress on with no lipstick or whatever or a completely opposite color. But that's just part of the chef. Do you sit and watch backstage or, you know, behind the scenes, you're like, gosh, dang it. This girl's not following my direct. well if I'm there like if it's a rose night you'll see me so you know you kind of have to because I'm going to go put it on you anyway again so it'll kind of sync up especially for the last scene um but when I'm not with you guys on the dates like I always know because um I could see you guys either didn't use what I gave you

or I watched the show and find that if for some reason you have a lipstick on in one color and then like the next scene you have another color I know it kind of didn't happen. You weren't feeling it that day. Don't follow your rules. So I'll get into my last look and then we'll keep going because I love hearing from you. But the last look that I pulled was one that was so, I think not me that I never would have probably gravitated towards if I didn't have your help carry. But it was this black strapless mermaid gown.

It was another Randy Rahm. And it was like very classic. Barbies, like vintage Barbie. Yep, that's the one. I wore it at the Rose Ceremony in Park City, Utah, when I was falling in love with Garrett that week. So it was one that I think I had to kind of be pushed into from you, but then once I put it on, I was like, this is stunning. So that's where you, I mean, you are so good about letting us feel out the gowns and the dresses and the outfits and kind of picking what we're comfortable in, but you also are great about pushing maybe us outside of our boundaries or whatever we're comfortable in usually and saying, just try this. And so I want to know for

you, like, where's that fine line of how much do you want to push if you know something could be awesome? And when you feel like, okay, I'm just going to let them do their thing? For the most part, I try to let you guys do your own thing. I mean, this is so not about me. This is really about you falling in love and finding happiness and feeling comfortable while you're out there. And so I never want this to be a little mini-me just because I pushed you into an outfit. But every once in a while I see something that maybe you're just missing.

So I may come back to it a couple of times just to see if you've changed your mind a little. But when I know that it's not working, I give in. That's not my thing. And then I hear about it. Oh, we will get into the two of you. That's why I said, I can't tell you the bane of her existence about the lip color. It's kind of like when all of a sudden somebody will not wear the dress that they were in love with one day and then all of a sudden they hated the next day.

I think this is a really good point because a lot of times we see on social media where whatever platform it may be, you guys might get blamed for a makeup look or the dress that someone picked, but it's really important to know how it all kind of comes together. And Carrie, you touched on this a little bit, but are you the end-all be-all, Gina and Kerry, both of you can take this question, when it comes to the final look that the leads choose? Oh, God, no. No, no, it comes down to you guys.

It really does. It doesn't matter because it's not our face that's out there for eight or ten weeks and beyond. So, you guys get the final say. Yeah, and we're also not trying to answer that. I mean, did we really ever, we definitely will, you know, kind of coaxed you in a direction or something or at least have you try something out. But if you don't like it, we don't care.

But I love that you say that. So everybody listening, ridiculous. Yeah, everybody listening, if you hate a look, that is not Gina and Carrie's fault. It's the lead's fault. The lead chooses the look, the final look has a final say when they, go out on these dates. I think that's one of the number one questions we get. Why did you wear that? Why was your makeup like that? Why was your hair like that? And we do our own hair. So there's nobody else to blame when it comes to that. Yeah, I think that's really important. Like you give us

the tools or you put, you know, the dresses out there and you show us like the lip color you may have or the eyeshadows. But we ultimately put it all together and choose it. That's why every time I read something about all of the bangles and the sequins and all of the things, and all of the things as though that's the only thing I present to you guys. And I'm just like, each season, you all say to me, don't, I won't wear, I'm not wearing sequins. I'm not wearing that. And then all of a sudden, I look at the top 15 dresses you've chosen, and they all seem to be either Randy Rom or something glitzy, every once in a. I mean, I actually prefer some of the more plain things. Now, not the first night. The first night, I will admit, there is a formula for why the

first night has either a gauzy bottom or a sequent because I don't think the audience realizes how long that night is and how long and how many times you're lifted in the air and things like that and put down and trying to get a dress that's not soaking up the water in that driveway because they don't always put you down where the driveway is not wet no talk about that first night because a lot goes into it and it is it's it's like a two night process but a lot goes into the look because it's it has to be perfect because that's the first night the audience is going to see you that's the first night the men are going to meet you um talk a little bit about that when you talk about like what goes into that look and what is that formula well the formula just is

that it's got to be something that i can dry and clean while the party is beginning before you go back out again. And so it can't be something that is absorbed and it's filthy because it's a really long night. And you can't worry about the fact that every time you cross your leg, you have the bottom of your dress is completely ruined. Or you go to the bathroom and you have to lift up the whole thing. And it's 12 pounds to lift up. And you need three people to help you do it. Yes. It's not glamorous people. It's not. I want to ask you both, what is the biggest fashion mishap or foe and glam mishapper faux pa that you guys have seen

throughout the seasons Gina you go first I've got too many to think of I'd have to probably say Rachel right I did it! I knew you were going to use me I was sorry I know you cried your lashes off

I know it and who was it that their lashes froze that was me as well I thought you had both of them that they actually I remember watching it and you actually came back that day and Eugenia I had icicles on my lashes

because I forget what area we were in but it was just freezing and then unfortunately when you cried your last so but I'm pretty good I mean everybody pretty much sticks with everything that I stick on their face

I use a lot of you know blue when I'm doing it not blue but you know stain with the foundations and stuff. But yeah, we couldn't avoid that one. I would have to say that one because it was everywhere. I mean, because I use individuals.

I don't use the lash. If it was strip, it wouldn't have been that bad. It would have came off in one swoop. But I mean, as you cried, more and more came off. Right. And we love your lashes. So we like. And just to give background, it's not like Gina's lashes come off easily.

They are individual. I wanted like Tweety Bird. I have big eyes, so I need big lashes to match. I was in the middle of a blizzard. we were on a glacier having a date and a storm came and you couldn't see the person standing in front of you and so my eyelashes froze off they just fell off and then the other one yes

I was crying so much I was rubbing my eyes and they came off you know so it's not like your makeup comes becomes undone easily you know you have to be in a blizzard or crying yourself you know touching something like that you can usually swim in the lashes and they're staying but yeah that was epic the frozen one is my favorite trying to get but the frozen one was kind of fun yeah so so jena obviously lashes and

mascara and the eyes like the window to the soul and they they take a beating sometimes on this show are there any makeup recommendations or glue lash recommendations that you're always like i have to stick with this this is gold if the girls are going to cry if they're going to laugh if they're going to be in a blizzard if they're going to be under water? I pretty much stick with the same thing all the time because it works. It's just, you know, duo, just for your lashes. The trick with anything is just, if as long as you don't touch your face, it's going to be okay. They said, we've had, I think Jojo's season or something where, I don't know if it was

a Vegas show where she actually had to dive into water. Well, you guys all have to dive into water and you all have lashes on with some, we're on a boat somewhere. That eye. You know, and as long as you don't touch the face, they'll be fine. Yeah. All the foundations are silicon and cream and same stuff. It's just, you know, we have to keep your face on.

It's different when you're working a television show where you can go in and touch people up and they'll stop in between scenes. You guys are pretty much on your own until, you know, unless it's the rose ceremony. So everything we put on you needs to stay. So that's why I use lots of creams, waterproof everything. and the most part it's most parts you guys always do really good there's only a few times where you come back and go you kind of warn me before I'll see it like sorry but this happened one thing that I loved about you every time we sat down before we were getting ready for the dates is you would ask do you think you're going to kiss today and do you think you're going to

cry today those were the two key things every time you know and we would chat about everything you never asked me that well because I knew and I also knew that you are always aware there's some girls that are more aware than other girls and you were always aware of your face and your lips and stuff like that I mean everybody gets lost a little bit but you were most aware of like you would say

I'm probably going to be making out a lot so we wouldn't go with a darker color or if I needed it darker you know we just use more pencil than, you know, then a cream or something like that with Becca. You know, we probably used a lot of pencil on you. Yeah. Because you never went really bold.

Mm-hmm. You know, and you know. Well, I learned my lesson that first group day with the right. Confession, Gina. You're really not that great that Rachel was much more aware than you. She says that you're messy. You're being messy. There's some people that are, you know, it's not just natural.

Confession. I remember when I was, um, going to come on to the bachelorette and they were asking me who's good who what what kind of hairstyle do you want you know this is who you'll be working with for the stylist this is who for makeup and my first question was let's just be real all the bacheloretts have looked the same that have come on i am the first one of color can the makeup artist do a person of color that and i was like can she do my makeup and they were like are you kidding gina can do it all and i have to say, Gina, from the first night, you did not disappoint me. You always held me down because

you know, sometimes you can see black people with their face doesn't match their neck. And I was afraid that the foundation wasn't going to match me. And it was perfect. That's why, you know, you were with me on my most important day, my wedding day. Yeah, like, you rocked it. I was so nervous at first, but after the first time, we were good. Never had any issues. We shouldn't matter with any makeup artist, which we've discussed. Well, yeah, but you, we know that that's not the case. pink tone you know it's just it's not really a matter of what color it's just matching the color yeah yeah okay carry your faux pot because you said you have so many so these better be good they better not be us i don't have any no of course she doesn't have any

no i mean you look at the end of the season and you're just like oh god was i high that day i mean what what was i thinking i mean um lamas uh i'm trying to think of her name right now. I put her in a yellow baby doll dress. It was the ugliest thing I've ever seen on TV. I mean, and this was, it was truly Shane Lomas. And it was, she was on Sunday's finale. And it was just, I think she was on Ben Flanick's season or something like that.

And it was the ugliest dress I had ever seen in my whole life. Oh, we got a photo. Yikes, Carrie. It is. She looks like an egg. egg. A glittered egg. So it's not even that it's her fault because I don't know how I brought it. It's one thing if I get to say, oh, well, I didn't pick it, no big deal. But if you bring it, then you got to stand up for the fact of, hey, guess what's your fault? Okay, in your defense,

what year was this? What year was this? It could have been 1943. And it was. It's still a yellow baby doll dress. Oh, I don't even know who this bachelor is. You can't hit it out of the park every time. We do so many books. Yeah. It's impossible. I mean, every makeup I've done hasn't been, God knows it hasn't been, you know, on point.

I mean, stuff that happens. We do it thousands of time during a season or something. So I think the yellow isn't that. Well, that was pretty bad, the yellow. Did you see the picture? Did you see the picture? It was, I know now. It was on Matt Rat the season.

And it was just, it was, it was so bad that I don't know why we decided to do it not as a fancy dress that day. It was just, it was just so many things going on in that season where it was just new things, new trials, new. And listen, you have to take the blame when, when you put it on. At some point, I should have just burnt it while she was still in it. Because it was really that horrified. Well, so speaking of, this is a good segue. I want to get into the background because obviously Bachelor has been around 18 years.

And you guys have been with the show for so long. You've literally seen everything that you probably can. So how did you both get started as the stylist and makeup artist? Gina, you go. I came in on the second season with Chris Chris brought me on I worked with Chris on another show and when he got his show

he told me that he would bring me and he has a for since so I just kind of got lucky with that and from there because in the beginning I didn't do the Bachelor or The Bachelorette's I just did Chris and then probably a couple seasons in, I started doing Chris and the Bachelors, and I think right after Trista, then I started doing just the Bachelorette also. So I kind of took on everything. And then I started hiring

my own people in for like night one. As you guys know, people come in. So there's a bunch of people for a few days. But yeah, no, it was all because of Mr. Harrison. It's been great. And, I mean, you guys are also close because you're day in and day out with Chris, but Gina, you also work with him on Millionaire, correct? I work, yeah, I personal him. So I, whatever he's on, lucky me, I get to do, I get to do all of it. 99% of the time, I think. Will you tell people what he smells like?

People want to know. People want to know. You don't know what he smells like. I don't remember. I mean, obviously, it's good. As much as we have. The people want to know. The people want to know.

It smells wonderful. He's the most, it's an amazing thing that I've never seen this man's sweat, even if it's 110 degrees out in Mexico. And we're shooting a show. I mean, I literally have to take his shirt, hang it on the outside of his suit, just so I know that he's worn the shirt. because there is not a makeup stain there's not a sweat stain

there is nothing about the shirt that you do when I powder him I'm sweating he's fine it's just him so who's a bigger diva like the bachelorette or Chris Harrison Bachelorettes

yeah he's so chill I'm not even kissing his ass he's so not a deep guy you guys win it Carrie, when did you start? I started for Trista's wedding. They decided that they wanted a new look and Gina made sure for the first year and a half

that I apparently replaced somebody that I didn't know. I just was asked whether or not I would come in and do this TV show and I meet Gina the first night and she's like, so you know you got somebody fired. I did not say that. You did, but I didn't say that. You said that exactly. And so from that moment on, I was like, okay, I'm either going to hate you or really love you.

And thank God after 18 years, we finally grew to like each other, seeing that we're together like 17 hours out of every single day, seven days a week for 10 weeks. And so. Ten weeks, 10 months. But that's a part of your chemistry. And that comes, that's like why you guys are still working together. on the season. You see it in every lead. The look has to come together. And I think that that's part of your chemistry. When I first met you guys, you hate for me to say this. But I can

remember, and Becca, I want you to tell you're the first time you met them, the first time I saw them, because maybe just some background, what you guys don't know, bats are happy our listeners, is that as contestants, we don't see Gina and Carrie. It's very rare that you see them. They are with the lead and they are with Chris Harrison, but I ran into them in St. Thomas on next season coming out of the elevator. And I thought, what a cute married couple that is. This is why I can't find a date. They hate for me to say that they're like, I can't believe you thought that I was married to her or to him. Yeah, they were probably bickering and maybe that's what, that's what, you know,

that's the essence of them as well. 17 hours out of every day. Well, so I, Carrie, I think I met you first on RACs, and you popped in, I think it was like during the row ceremony right after hometowns, but the first time you two were together was on after the final rose and I was about to go out and I think watched my breakup for the first time on TV with Chris. And so, Gina, you were getting me ready. Carrie, you were, this is the first time we were all in the same room together. You were getting me dressed, and I think we were kind of behind, so we were trying to scramble. And you two, you know, in your loving way, we're bickering. But I remember being like, this is a good distraction for me right now, because if these two weren't here going back and forth, I would

be alone in my thoughts and probably freaking out. And I would have, like, bolted out the door and ran away and not have made it to the stage. So it was a good distraction. But it's like, it's the funniest cutest relationship between you two because you guys really are together day in day out 24 seven like people don't realize like when we're traveling you know when we're the leads we're on dates and we're keeping busy but you guys like you know you do your jobs you wake us up in the morning you get us ready you meet us in the afternoon before the night portion but you have still free time together to do whatever you want and so you guys are as rachel said it best kind of like a married couple.

What's the best place that you guys have, your favorite place that you've been to on the seasons because you've been doing it for so long. We won't make you pick your favorite season because obviously, Becca and Rachel. But what's the most favorite place that you've been to on someone's season?

There's so many places around the world. Any place in Europe is great. Or Maldives. was amazing. I mean, we love going here. The best part of this job is not just you guys, which is great. And the covet we get from the fans and things like that

that think that we're doing something so amazing. And you guys are always so easy. One, no, let me face it. Yeah. But you're usually very, very great about giving us really nice compliments and being super amazingly sweet to all of us and allowing us to share your life with you during this period. But I think that the best part is that Gina and I really do get to see the world.

And while you guys aren't busy on this date, I'm not going to say Gina and I have never just gone off and just played in sightseed. until we had to come back. Now, sometimes we're supposed to get back by 8 o'clock and you guys are still not there at 11. But it's a pretty, this is what I would dream for everybody to have a job. It's a dream job, definitely.

Yeah. There's not really one complaint. No. You get lipstick all over your faces and cry off your lashes. Or unless you just have like somebody who's difficult because I, and I obviously am not going to put you guys out there as much as I want to to talk about who's difficult.

I mean, unless it's us, because I know we've had difficult moments too. But, I mean, I'm sure sometimes it can be challenging for you guys when you do have a more difficult lead. So since I can't ask you details about that, because, listen, we all want to stay employed, right? I do want to ask you how you create your vibe for each bachelor and bachelorette because they are all different.

And you really don't know, maybe other than Instagram, or maybe what you watched on the prior season, if you are able to watch us go through the bachelor or bachelor's right, whatever it may be. How do you create the vibe and the look for each lead coming into it? Because sometimes you guys don't have a lot of time. Sometimes they've chosen at the last minute. 20 years of doing it. You said 20 years of doing it?

I mean, you know, I'm sure Kerry is the same way. You can pretty much size up the face. or a look of what we think is comfortable. And that's what, but then we have to do it and see if you guys are comfortable and then you come to kind of a happy medium. But you just do it. You kind of just get the feel for the personality

and who they are and what they like and don't like. You just have to ask questions. And if they're not very agreeable, you just do it, wing it. And eventually, if you're putting clothes on somebody or if you're doing somebody's look, they will tell you. You know?

I mean, you know, I like to call all of you. Tell about when you called me. Oh, well, that first phone call with you was just the worst. I had already complimented you in an airport. We somehow bumped into her, which we don't ever really do. We never see the contestants going home. But somehow we were on an airplane with Rachel. And I remember walking up to her and going, oh, my God, that dress you wore last night was the most stunning

dress. I just need to know where you got it from. And she turned around and looked at me and was like, um, my, where are you? But thank you. I did know who you are. I didn't know who you are. Now the girls know who you guys are. They follow you before the season even starts. I, we didn't know. And so I do know though that right before we were beginning, I, and, and you know this. I like to talk to all of you guys and just find out what your look is. again, it's not about Gene and I. It really is about how you want to look. And I remember calling Rachel,

not knowing that she was in the middle of this trial, and she kept saying to me, I'll get back to you, I'll get back to you. And I kept looking and going, oh, okay, well, guess what? We're starting soon. I don't know how to break this to you, but you're not going to have any clothes

if you don't tell me what you want. And then... He was not looking, he's being nice. He was not looking forward to meeting me. He did not know what he was going to get because I was so dismissive. I was like, I mean, you know, in my mind, I'm like, think you're a stylist. That's what you do. You just, you know, you pick something.

That's because I knew nothing about the business. Anyways, oh, how the tables have turned. But I do ask you that question just because if you had somebody like me who was difficult in the beginning, who wasn't really giving you anything to work with, how do you pick a look from that? How do you pick a vibe? Because you do have to order clothes before. Yeah. I mean, we start early.

But the truth is that there's enough stuff that, because what I've learned from all of you is that no matter what you say you want is never the stuff you pick. You always go, each one of you lately has said, I don't want any sequins. I don't want any bangles. I don't want this. I don't want that.

I don't want that. And then in the meantime, at the end of the season, And we look and go, all right, well, you were in seven Randy Rahm of the most heavy-beated dresses. Or, yeah, the dresses that you both loved so much were dresses that were slid up to the, down to your belly button, up to your crotch. Both of you. And so it's, that's not just by happenstance. That's that you guys choose it. But there's so many other racks.

I mean, we started off with like 20 racks of clothes. for you to choose from. And so the idea that Gina and I have a full look in our head for you, no, it's the clothes that dictate the look and it's the person that chooses the clothes.

I definitely think it always evolves, don't you guys? I mean, we do start out with, like, especially night one, we want to make you look as best as we possibly can and make you guys feel good. But I think definitely if you look at one and then you know your proposal the look changes a lot because we all get to know each other

and what everybody is comfortable with yeah yeah friendships that that form i'm sorry you cannot live to somebody's life of where we're the first ones that you wake up to and you're sharing what happened the night before whether it was happy or sad and um and then in the middle of the day when you've been surrounded by other people that are with you all the time and and you finally get to hear, you know, or see Gina and I, and you're able to share what went on. And so when people ask me, is it real and things like that, yeah. I mean, we live your life with you.

We cry the tears with you. We get to hear your innermost thoughts and your worst fears all playing out each day. It's hard not to fall in love each season with somebody. That's my saying that, do I have a favorite or a least favorite? No, we're sharing your life. I'm not telling you. It's easy to fall in love with them, but it's probably easy to quickly fall out of love with them as well,

you know, when the season's over with. So I think one thing that viewers don't know and don't see is because we are with you so much, I mean, and we're with the production team too. we're with our producers day in, day out. They're the ones on scene with us on the dates. But you two especially, and I tell people this, like even talking with Garrett to this day, like you two were the ones who were kind of like my rock that I felt like I could go to and confide in away from the show and away from the drama. And I felt like when I would

open up to you about my relationships and how I was feeling with these guys, it wasn't to create or to get a storyline. Like it is for, you know, some other people that, on the show. Like, I really felt like you guys did become friends and family where I could confide in you and know that you would give me advice how to navigate the guys in our relationships and kind of what you've seen in the past. And so that helped me tremendously. Like, Carrie and Gina, I remember the last day or the last week when we were all in the Maldives. And obviously, that's probably the most stressful time for any lead is when you have two guys left and your heart is torn and you're going through all these emotions that most people don't feel in a normal

relationship. And you guys were so calm and you're like, look, we've been here before. I was here last year with Rachel. I was here a couple years ago with Jojo. We've seen it all and this is how they navigate it. But just to have you guys there in the closets and in front of the mirrors and sitting and having those quiet moments together was something really special. And Gina, one story that I have to share about you, which is one of my favorite stories from the entire season. It was the very last day. It was Proposal Day. I had just broken up with Blake. And I was a mess, as I'm sure all the leads before me were at that moment. And obviously, like, I had cried my makeup off. I was sweating. It was so hot. And we had to kind of revamp from the heartbreak into now going into this proposal

with Garrett where it was supposed to be the happiest time. And I remember there was just chaos. Everyone was kind of rushing because we had to try and get certain shots like before the sun went down or something. And so you had me in your room. You were touching me up, doing my makeup and all the other producers and the friends around us were kind of chatting. And I think distracting me and you were like, Becca, get down on the bed, just lay there, take some breasts. I'm going to touch you up. So I was laying on the bed. You were fixing me up doing my makeup. And as we were doing that, I was like, you guys, I'm about to get engaged to this guy, and I don't ever know how to spell his last name. And Gina was like, figure out how to spell his last name.

You wrote it down on this little hotel piece of paper for me and had it sitting on my stomach. And as you were doing my mascara and putting on new lashes and doing my lipstick, you were like, Y-R-I-G-O-Y-E-N. We were talking through letter by letter of how to spell Garrett's last name. And that was something that to this day, I will never forget. It's one of my favorite stories. And I think it just goes to show our listeners and the viewers how close we actually do get with you to and how much you really do share. And you're in like the most major moments of our lives.

Oh. How many? She was like, I don't even remember that. But it really is sweet. I mean, I'm sure. Yeah. I'm glad that I remember, I remember parts of it. I remember, you know, especially leading over you while you're laying down and trying to get it all together while you're.

tell me to stop crying yeah it's hard with those things it's very hard to go from one thing to another especially which is going to be

the happiest part of your life but yeah but it's been I'm so glad that you guys actually remember stuff like that because well I think of that's but we just don't think

you know everything is kind of like the day is when the day's done it's like having a wedding you know it's like you prepare everything for that one day and then your wedding's over in an hour. So it's nice that you guys take some of us home with you. Well, I think it's important too because like the way, Becca, you said it perfectly, just like captured how it feels to have a genie, Jeannie and Carrie with you every

single morning and how you start your day and honestly how you end your day and in the middle of your day. But I am curious, before I tell my story, because Becca has her story, I have a story, and I'm sure every Bachelorette, Bachelor has their story. Do you, you probably can't remember every single season, but is this a common theme that you know the last day, you guys are going to

have to not just be a stylist, have to be a makeup artist, but have to be a counselor in these moments as well, especially when they flip the script. Oh, well, I think we should actually have honorary degrees in psychology. Yes. No, like any show I work on. I mean, I think

any makeup artists will say the same thing. I mean, it's kind of like being a bartender. We're in your face. Where, you know, we're the first person you usually see and we're the last person you usually see to get your makeup off. And just, so I think it's just normal that that's what we do. We have no choice even if we don't like you.

We still have to listen to you. It goes against what every producer has ever wanted to hear is that Gina and I are the people that you listen to Because I'm sure we're not, the truth really is, we don't need you to say anything. We just need you to look pretty. And it's really hard to be both physically and emotionally naked in front of us and not develop this relationship. I mean, it's really hard. And that's what I always try to tell people at the end of the season.

if you drop me like a hot potato and you're busy when you get home and you forget this old man that was there for you that listened and loved you and made sure that you were when you were crying to wipe your tears and when you're laughing to laugh harder than you did with you the idea that you guys just leave us no it it's a really hard thing to realize that not all of you like you guys, stay with us years to come. I mean, be able to be at Rachel's wedding, you know, just knowing that we were an invited guest or, come on Bega, going to see you performing on that stage that night with Ben.

It's just, there's something that's just so exciting. I wouldn't go out for anybody that was performing on a stage and have to be around. We'll get on a plane and go halfway, across the country for somebody's wedding. Probably wouldn't do that for some of my closest friends. Exactly. But I don't spend that much time with them either.

So I think it's so important because I always described you guys as a breath of fresh air. I could exhale when I saw you guys walk into my room because you are more than producers. You know, your producers are there for you. They are like your parents. And please don't edit this out, but it's almost as if you know they want something from you, because at the end of the day, they're trying to produce a show. You guys don't want anything from us, like you said, other than to look pretty. So for me, when you would, when I would see you walk through the room, I would say, okay, this is normal. We could have conversations about, you know, I'd say, what's going on in the world, or we could just talk about random things and didn't have to talk about in the moment or what we were about to face and the hard decisions that were the reality of living in the Bachelor bubble when you are the lead in the season. I remember that, I remember when, and somehow you guys remain professional too, because I know I would say like, well, what do you think about, you know, so and so? You know, what do you think about him? Do you like him? And y'all would be like, we don't even know who that is. You know, you're like, we're paying attention to you. We don't know who these contestants are. Gina had nicknames for all the guys. That's what I love. She'd be like, what about chicken or whatever it was. Yeah. You guys don't pay attention enough to even know that, but you would still remain professional, but you are. there for us and I remember the my finale as The Bachelorette and I was still emotional from the day before because what people don't understand is when you get down to the two, even though you know what you're going to do, you're so emotional because you still care about that person and you're you're leaving them devastated and you feel sorry for them and you just you like don't want to hurt anybody's feelings and I remember I woke up that day and I had already sent Peter home and you just kind of looked at me Gina and you were like girl. get it together. And I'm a straight shooter and I need people to talk to me like that. Like get your

ass up. Like you're about to get proposed to. You know, my eyes were puffy. I didn't get any sleep that night. You were like, listen, when people show you who they are, believe them. Okay. Now you're about to go get engaged. And it just totally changed my mindset. It was like, yeah, I am. And I, you know, and this is exactly what I came for and I didn't even know what I was going to get. And I will never forget that moment because it was like a switch went off on me like why are you wasting tears what are you doing you know you've got a man who's madly in love with you who's about to propose to you and you know like after that i don't think i shed another tear i was like i'm sorry how can we get these bags from underneath glass speaking of which you know this is a perfect question for you how do you get bags and the puffiness under away from other people's eyes every girl listening wants to know And then please don't forget, I have one for you, Carrie, too, about something that happens on the season. Well, I mean, you guys are crying all the time.

And the guys are crying all the time. But, I mean, there's really no secret. It's the same thing as everybody does. I think we just give you, you know, your eye patches underneath in the morning while we're doing your makeup to take it down, you know, put some ice on your eyes. I constantly tell you people to drink tons and tons of water, because especially with your schedule. and the weather I mean we go from freezing weather to freaking you know

100% humidity within like two days your body's going through crazy shit so yeah we just keep you guys calm with ice ice and ice patches that's all we do there's nothing much you could do

you know you're going to stay here you guys are always amazing with everything so you do what I say at least when I'm over you you guys always to do it. For the most part, I think it always works. How great was it to have them. I missed them. Yeah. It was nice to go down memory lane with them. And it's funny. As you were talking, Becca, it would make me think of another memory. And I was like, oh, yeah, this happened and that happened. And I mean, the way you broke down what they mean to us and how they're more than just a

stylist and a makeup artist, like, it really resonated with me. I was like, oh, I don't know if it's the red wine or if I'm just getting emotional, but it took me back to that place that when we're in those moments with them. And they are so much more than just their job titles to us. Well, and that's one thing what Gina said at the end. She's like, you know, if we do our jobs right, we're just following the trends. But they do so much more than I think anyone will ever be able to see watching the show. Like they are there in day out, day out. They are like our confidence, the shoulders we cry on, they hug us, they kiss us, they make us feel better when we need it. And kind of like you, like there's so many more things where we would talk about

something. I'm like, oh my gosh, what about this or what about that? Like to this day, when I think of hot dogs, I think of Carrie because of how much he loves hot dogs. And we had a free night in Richmond. And so we just sat and bed and ate hot dogs in our ropes together. Like little moments like that, like they will always stay with us. It would not be, you know, people always say it wouldn't be The Bachelor and Bachelorette without Chris Harrison, which is true, but it also wouldn't be that show without those two. And I think that what was touching too is how they're affected by it. I mean, to hear Carrie talk about how it kind of hurts his feelings when, you know, a season passes and that he doesn't maintain the relationships, like obviously you're not

going to be as close as you are in the season when you're seeing someone every day, but the fact that people move on with their lives and they kind of forget about, you know, how he and Chena, help them through these times, you know, it was, it was really touching because they're just as affected by us as we are with them. So I hope that you guys enjoyed kind of that insight. You don't, you don't hear from Carrie and Gina. And so we pulled back the curtains and let you in a little bit more into our world, which is kind of what that's our happy hour is supposed to be about. We give you that insight that you can't get from other podcasts. And so we really hope you guys enjoyed this. Yeah, I mean, we definitely did. I'm so happy that we were able to do their first ever podcast with them because it was like friends and it was like family. So I'm glad that they were able to hop on. And because we had so much fun with Gina and Kerry, that we decided to give all you happy hour listeners two full episodes. So part two of this episode is going to air next week. So please make sure you tune in. And if you want to follow along with some of the greatest bachelor fashions, please make sure to follow Carrie and Gina on Instagram.

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