Bachelor Happy Hour - Exclusive: Jenn Speaks Now — Part 1!

Episode Date: September 9, 2024

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re sitting down for part one of our debriefing with Jenn on her “Bachelorette” finale! After an emotional end to her journey to find love, Jenn is here to break everything down. We get into the truth of her relationship with Devin and how it ended. She also takes us through her experience at “AFR” and what those moments were like. Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here with the former Bachelorette. Now, dancing with this. Yeah, unfortunately, your former Bachelorette, dancing with the stars contestant. Jen, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. Hi, thanks for having me. I can't believe, I can't believe. I can't it. It's crazy. Is that the first time someone's called you the former Bachelorette? It's not you anymore. I don't know a little bit. I don't know how I feel about that. I don't know if we have to call her that quite yet. I think we can give you a little more time.

You got like a year until someone else is the Bachelorette. I mean, technically, I mean, who knows? Who knows? Right? That's a charrette. Yeah, you could. You could. Back to back. Well, we've actually had a lot of people ask us why we have not put out a finale. episode for this podcast yet. And it is because your schedule has been so crazy, busy. We were supposed to have Jen on the day after the finale, but you were in New York. How was that for you? Um, so it was, it's just been crazy. And since that day, like that day, that day, flew to

that night, flew to New York for good morning, America the next morning. Then that day flew back to L.A., started rehearsals, blue to Boston, now I'm in Miami, and now I'm going to L.A. flower. So I've just, like, been everywhere, but it's been fun chaos, to say the lead.

So you weren't hesitant at all when they were, like, you're going on dance with the stars? Well, no. I've always wanted to go and dancing in the stars. I'm crazy, and I would tell my friends this all the time.

I'd be like, I really want to go on, and they're like, you don't even know how to dance. Are you going to be the star or the pro? Like, you're also like a nobody. I don't know. I'll like take dance lessons. I'm a come a pro. Like I just, I've always wanted to learn.

So it was the easiest yes of my life. That's amazing. No, I totally relate to that. Before I was even on The Bachelor, I was like, I want to be on Dancing with the Stars. How do I get on that show? That looks so fun. It's like such a feel good show, you know? When I, yeah, when I first got casted on The Bachelor and I was like considering if I wanted to do it. And my buddy's like, you're crazy. You could get, you could potentially go on Dancing with the Stars.

I would never go on dancing with the stars. No. And then, yeah. And then it happens. Then it happens. How do you feel about Sasha? I love him. He's the best.

We literally, we met in the airport. Like, he didn't even have a flight. Like, he didn't have a ticket for the flight. He had to go to the gate and, like,

beg for a ticket. And that's how we met under, like, very chaotic circumstances. We both didn't know if we were going to make the flight. And it was since then, like, fast friends.

He is so easy to talk to. he's so comfortable, like also just such a good person. And he's just been really helpful with this chaotic time and everything. So I love it. We're going to be both friends. Well, yeah, because he would have been thrown on last minute as well. So you guys are really in this together of like your lives being flipped up to head down very quickly. Yeah, he was like in his bed.

He was like, I didn't have a shower. I packed a suit. He's running through the airport the same time. I'm running. Like, it was very crazy. so yeah very last minute I don't know too much about ballroom dancing but I do know

that like technically Sasha is like really really good okay good good wait who was your partner Jenna oh okay yeah which is who Joey's with yeah okay okay okay how's that been

great honestly it's been really really nice to have a friendly face there and like good morning America always a lot for me because I was still kind of processing the night before and then I was meeting all these new people thrown into a new show like I wasn't in like the headspace of like okay let's like make a bazillion friends right now I just like needed a little bit of like I don't know push and like Joey immediately was like oh let me introduce you to everybody like how are you doing

so it's been really really good to have somebody there that like I know like Kelsey and I and I and I and Joey went to dinner like last speak and like we're all such good friends so it's been really great honestly. Yeah. That is really nice because I could imagine you're like I was just in like you said, the lowest of lows. I'm running through airports. I'm meeting all these new people. So to have him kind of be a buddy and like you to be a buddy through this is probably really nice. Do you feel like you're going to have an emotional crash or are you like I'm just on such a high now? This is amazing. It's like kind of picked you back up. An emotional crash she said just for our listeners that you're, you're Canadian. accent. Well, it sounds like

Crush almost. Oh, did that do my accent come through? Yeah, your Canadian accent came through a little bit there. I'm I'm crushed, but I um, wait, now I'm hearing crush. Yeah, you said crush too. You said crush as well. Emotional crash. Gosh.

Because you're like, I don't even know what time zone I'm in right now. Yeah, probably well at some point and like it's going to come eventually because I think they still need, I still probably have processing to do and um i don't know um i don't know like do i watch the finale episode again or do i not like i don't think maybe don't do that probably not but no i definitely have like a lot of processing still to be done but um i'm just going to take it one day at a time and and this has all been an amazing distraction because i can't imagine not having this and not having something to focus on

and not having something kind of like which should be along in this time. So I don't know. We'll see when that crash comes. I feel like though it is both a really good distraction. I also feel like this is just so cheesy, but like dance is a great way to like work through your emotions in a way. And hopefully this journey will also help you process what you just went through. Of course.

And that's what I'm most looking forward to is like dance is such a great way to express your emotions and get things out there. It's like such an outlet, I feel like. It's such a creative outlet too. So I fully anticipate like falling my eyes out on the first night of the dance because I'm also dancing. It's like a very meaningful song. So I just, I know I'm going to be hysterical. All right.

So let's pivot into AFR. So your AFR was like truly one of the most talked about. I've seen in quite some time. I mean, you can't go on social media and not to your face like everywhere, which is great. love Jen's face so happy for you well in the LL you know that you got the answer

with the stars so happy for you can you kind of like before we get into all of what went down at AFR can you talk a little bit about your breakup with Devin yeah yeah like time like

yeah yeah what went down cameras cut you're engaged can you kind of walk us through what went down in those next two three months yeah yeah I mean, truthfully, I'm still trying to understand it all.

And honestly, like, I don't even know if I won't understand it all. Like, we are where we are right now. But, yeah, I mean, essentially, we had gotten engaged in Hawaii and happiest day of my life. And then we had a happy couple right after that. And now when I look back on things, I'm like, there were so many little key moments that I should have just taken note of and I didn't. like in Hawaii when we're having our happy couple the day after we got engaged the first thing he asked the producers was like how long do people stay together oh and I was like yeah I was like you're already anticipating that we're breaking up but I didn't think anything of it at the time

but I flagged it as like a really weird question to kind of ask I was like why would you ask that and for those listening who maybe don't know what a happy couple is just to clarify it's like time with the happy couple like they get to go spend time and a half house together and spent quality time off camera but also in private so that the viewers don't get the season spoiled for them because you can't be out and about. But yeah, so that was kind of red flag number one for you. Yes. And then that whole weekend was like, I was like, oh, you know what? Things are a little different, but it's okay. Like we just got off a whole ass TV show. Like, we both just need time in the process. But I was very happy. And he seemed very happy too. So like,

I wasn't thinking anything of it. Oh, actually, the other red flag was in our fantasy suite, we had talked about the future and, like, where we were going to move, what life was going to look like after this, and all this stuff. And, like, the biggest thing for me was where we were going to move and the fact that I have family in Boston. And so we were just like, I was like, I'm not moving to Texas. And I love Boston, but like, I also love New York. We could move to New York. We had settled on, like, okay, in a couple of years, we'll move to, like, California. And then when my friend Nicole came for me, family, I had told me that.

I was like, some of the things I really love about Devin and I's relationship is that we know what it's like to compromise for things. Like, he is willing to compromise on where we're moving, et cetera. And she had told him that when they had a chat. And in the happy couple with Devin, after we got engaged, he's like, oh, I didn't know you told Nicole that we would be moving to California. Like, I don't actually want to do that. And I was like, okay, red flag number, whatever, because you had told me that you wanted

to do this and now you don't. So it's like, are we suddenly backtracking on things? And that was something that kept in my head. It's like, it does he just say things to make me happy but not actually mean them. So that was a big one for me. But since and then since that day, like he kept backtracking on certain things. Like he would say, he was like, oh, we'll fly and we'll see each other all the time. It doesn't matter about these happy couple weekends.

Like, I love you. Like, I want to see you. And then we had an instance. And after we got engaged, we couldn't see each other for a month. And I had told him, I was like, just come to Miami. Like, we'll hang out. We won't go out. Like, nobody knows this yet.

The thing hasn't even premiered. And he suddenly was like, I just, like, I booked a, I just booked a flight to Mexico. Like, I don't really want to pay for that flight. And I was like, honey, I don't pay the $200 for you to come here and hang out with me. Like, what? So it was just like weird. in terms of like effort and then he would go like missing for like 18 hours of the day sometimes and like I wouldn't hear from him and I genuinely think that he like got into an accent

I'm like are you okay like just like I'm not I'm not like crazy like just like are you okay kind of thing and I and I let it slide in terms of like I was like maybe he's just like going through a tough time and he's like and you tell me he's like I'm just like a little introverted right now like I am feeling weird after the show like I'm my sleeping schedules just like off and I don't know there just be so many instances in which I wouldn't hear from him for a whole day or a whole evening and it's like I don't need to be talking to you all the time but like um I don't know it was so would he not like respond to a text for 20 hours okay yeah I'm Jamel Hill host of the sports and politics podcast politics.

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way are we going to make this work after the show airs like what what is what is the plan I mean we both were like we talked about it in the fantasy suite like we're going to do long distance oh he said he's like I work from home like I'll come live with you

for like 11 days out of month like I can do that um whatever so like I was very confident that we were going to make it because he he had led me to believe that there would be no reason otherwise like he was just so willing to compliment everything so I was like long distance we'll be fine and he knew I was going to be in

peaceful for another year um so that that was a plan and we were like I remember he was like not super happy about the engagement but like didn't exactly like tell me why like he like I remember feeling like oh suddenly he's like scared to get married which I can understand I was like you know what you're right like this is a lot and we had planned we were going to get married in like two years. He set a two-year engagement was something that was like reasonable to the both of us. So like things like that. Those were the plans.

We were just going to see each other continue to date and all this stuff. But we didn't continue to date. Like he never once planned a date night for us like long distance wise. Like we barely talked on the phone. It was it was just weird. But I would go to these happy couples and be so happy

because I got to spend that time with my person. But even in the happy couples, it was just, It just felt like something was awful. So I know you've said this, Serena, you said this before. Your biggest fear is meeting somebody on the show and then getting off the show and it being a completely different person. And that's kind of what it sounds like happened. Or even like just a different dynamic than what you were set up to believe you were signing up for.

Do you think that this was all a game for him? like you were you were a prize to win he won and that was his goal and that's kind of it i can't speak for him because i don't know i genuinely don't know who he is as a person to this day which is crazy yeah which is very very crazy the person that i knew was on the show and and who he is right now is a completely different guy but obviously that was the first thing that came to my mind. And that is, that was like my biggest fears. Like, because I think with men, it is a competitive nature. So I'm like, did he just want to win the show? And he had literally told me, he was like, I didn't want to get engaged, but I had wanted you to myself. So I was

selfish and I did propose to the because I wanted to you. And I was like, I don't know. It was just like, you're probably like you want to be to yourself, but like, where are you? Like, you're not talking to me. You're not seeing me. When you would. Call him out on his behavior or, like, question him about the way he was acting. It sounds like he was just really distant and detached from the relationship. What would he say? See, he would just say, like, my sleeping schedule's weird. I just came off of the show.

I'm, like, a little bit introverted right now. I'm just, like, feeling a lot. And I know I felt like he was, like, a very anxious person. So I'm like, I was giving him so much praise and just being there. as best as I could and just giving him the time to process everything. And also he was getting a lot of hate by episode two because

of the way that he was acting on the episode. So like, I was just trying to be there for him and navigate the space with him as much as possible. But I just don't think his heart was ever truly fully in it. And yeah, that was a big

fear of mine. It's like, was somebody here just to win the show? And I mean, it's clear that he wasn't there to win me because he didn't even try to date me after like it just the effort went from a hundred to like zero sometimes five percent like it was and i remember feeling like every time he would try to do something nice it felt force it didn't feel like it was coming from the heart for some reason and it was like i had this weird weird gut feeling and now honestly all the pieces are coming together for me in terms of like making out what his intentions

were and what this meant to him because of all the things that are circling on the internet now. So I'm just like, I'm done. At what point were you like, okay, like we've had the, I've called him out. He's not really validating my feelings. I'm getting a lot of excuses. The effort's not there. Like, what part were you like, okay, I'm starting to see this might not work out? Or when it ended, were you still hopeful? Yeah, I was still hopeful. Like, first, me, I take an engagement very seriously. He had talked about it multiple times on the show. Like, we're only getting engaged once and him coming from a family in which relationships

don't work out. And he told me that and expressed his fears around that. I thought that we were on the same page with that. Like, we're not taking this lightly. This is a real engagement. And like, we're going to do whatever we can to make this work. So even while I wasn't getting the treatment that I knew I deserved in a very healthy relationship, which is what I thought I was signing up for.

I still was trying to make crazy. I was like we're going through a difficult time. It's going to be fine if we get through this, we'll get through anything. And like I, like, obviously I had just heard like a lot of couple flow through hard times after the show. It's just, it's hard watching things back. Yeah, it's normal to go through that. It has speed bumps, yeah.

But I thought that it was going to be just these normal speed bumps. And if we were able to work through it, it would be fine. even after he had broken up with me, I was fighting for the relationship for a month. Like, it was a push and pull every day trying to just get out of him like something and be like, and just like work through this. Because we hadn't even dated in the real life. I'm like, you told me you loved me, you wanted to marry and all this stuff. You don't actually really want to try.

Like, we haven't really even able to see each other. That love was real. Then you would fight for that and you would wait until we could actually date in the real world. see what it was like get back to that same feeling if that's how if that's the thing that you're saying is like you don't feel the same way anymore then like let's try like let's at least have a dinner you would think like you give it let's a dinner can even buy me dinner i haven't even bought dinner by him like what do you did he did he ever use um watching you with other other men and like seeing that you you fell for marcus as well is that an excuse

no not once did he not once that he used that excuse so um no and he had broken up with me before all for fantasy speech before home chattels

before things like got serious in the show yeah we were already by midway through the show so he had never once said anything about the other guys or anything like I would always try and check up on him and he'd always seem fine like oh it's too fine

like oh yeah too fine When he called you to end the relationship, walk us through that phone call. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, this was a messy time in the relationship in terms of where my headspace is at and where his headspace is at. So we had just had a happy couple the weekend before, the weekend before. And things were just not good. We were fighting and not making any compromises, it was just bad. And he eventually, I like sat him down and like, let's like talk about this, like what's going on here.

And he basically said like, I'm just not happy anymore. He was like, some days, like I wake up and I just don't feel it. And I was like, what do you mean by that? And he was like, he was like, some days I wake up and I just like, I don't love you. And I was like, oh. But some days you wake up and you do? Oh, how do I navigate that? That's rough.

That's rough to hear. That's rough to hear. Well, it's just like, it's just, that's not normal. You were probably just like, I don't know what to say to that. I did it. I was like mute for like two hours. I was like, okay, okay, we could get through this.

We can get through. Oh my gosh. And it was just a mess. But we had basically left on like, I remember I was like sobbing because I was like, I don't know how to process this. And he was like, he was holding me. He was like, it's fine. Like I don't want anything to change.

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like he's feeding you some hard truce about his feelings but he's also saying like look i'm committed to the relationship and i want to work on it and you know i want to get to a good place together yes yes and so that's why i was like okay there's hope i think he wants to go to compass counseling he doesn't want anything changed he loves me okay great we'll work on his feelings. And then what happened? We got into a fight like a couple days after that when we had left and we were booking the next happy couple. And what made me upset by these happy couples is he would take the latest flight out and take the like into the happy couple and then take the earliest flight out at like 4 a.m. the next day kind of thing. And that would that made me upset. So like we I expressed

that to him and you're talking about the next happy couple and he's like I'm going to take the same 4 a.m. point. I'm like, okay, like, do you hate me? Like, what's going on? And then we got into a big fight about that, and I was just like, okay, like, let's just take some space for the weekend because I just feel like you just told me you don't love me on some days, and I just don't know if this is like

a feeling that I want to be feeling right now in conjunction with all, everything that we've been fighting about. So I was like, let's take space for the weekend. He didn't take the space seriously. He was like still texting me, still calling me. So I assumed everything was fine. And,

He had texted, he's like, let's book that couple's counseling. So I booked a couple's counseling for us. And then at Sunday, I didn't hear from him at all, which I thought was weird. And I just sent him a couple of texts. He didn't reply. And then I sent him another text. I was like, listen, like, I'm sorry that we thought. Like, I really want to make this work. And I really do want to go to this happy couples counseling. And like, just wanted to let you know that. And like, hopefully things are fine. He's like, everything's fine. I'll see at couples counseling before he just had a rough day. Monday comes around. We face him during the day. Things seem to normal. And then he had went to watch the show, I think, at his mom's house. And after that night, he sent me a very cryptic text being like, because I had said, oh, do you want to talk on the phone? Then he's like, let's like, let's like talk tomorrow. Like this is a conversation we'll have tomorrow at the happy couple. And I was like, I don't know. I don't like what that. means like just like call me now like let's just talk about it and he basically on the phone and like a two-minute phone call this was that night he was like i don't feel this anymore

i don't want to be in this relationship anymore um i just it's not working and let me just sit down okay on the phone next day we went we talked for like a 15-minute phone call that was and he was just like I can't say sorry anymore like I'm done whatever and then were you like what was your reaction like were you asking questions were you fighting it

were you in agreeance like he's coming at you with like you're probably a little bit in shock like hey the relationship's over you're like I just booked us couples counseling where is this coming from I felt very blindsided yeah I mean it was bad I was in Boston I was not my friend's apartment

and I was sobbing like hysterically saw like I didn't have answers and I didn't know what to do like in that moment that night when you called I was just like do I beg do I not like I don't even know how I feel about this like I was just sobbing the whole night and the next day was sobbing too

and like all day when we talked and I was like listen what's going on like is there something what is the reason like is there a reason like can we work through this you had just said we wanted to go to couples counseling he's like you're right I lied I shouldn't have said I wanted to go to couples counseling like I don't like I don't want to work on this like I'm just not happy um and like that was that those were the answers that I was getting I tried so many times to like I don't know like

to be like let's just like figure this out I don't know I don't know I'm confused he was was he ever able to give you some sort of answer as to what changed his feelings from these like really, really strong feelings of love on the show to, because it sounds like it was very instant. It wasn't like you spent so much time together for like a month and then it was like a shift. It sounds like the shift was right away. So did you ever get to answer from him of like what initiated that shift? What he had told me was that he was having doubts the whole time and he just like wasn't expressing them. And at this point, the show hadn't aired yet. So when he had told me like I felt pressure to get engaged, I didn't want to get engaged.

I just I had so many doubts I was like oh okay and then I watched the show back and I was like wait a second you were saying crazy stuff to me that made me believe that you wanted to get engaged I'm not crazy for thinking that you wanted to get engaged you wanted to get engaged on the show so I don't know if you forgot the things that you were saying to me but he was telling me he wants a family with me he wanted to marry me like so I just I don't know And he had said, like, I wonder what would have happened if I had just left that day that I came into your room and, like, was asking for reassurance. He was like, I probably should have just left that day. Jeez.

I was like, whoa. Okay. I don't know. Listen, I don't know what his motive was. But, yeah, he had said he basically didn't feel the same way. He had doubts. I don't know. Was it helpful for you to watch the show?

show back to be like, no, I'm not crazy. Like, he did act this way? Or was it almost, was it also, like, hurtful to be like, you're now telling me you didn't mean any of these things? Both. Like, it was validating in a sense of, like, because for me, like, I don't know. Like, I felt like he was seeing things and I was trying to believe them.

Like, oh, I never wanted to get engaged in all this stuff. And I was, like, trying to believe it. But then I'm like, I'm like, Like, why are you saying the things that you're saying in the show? There are plenty of guys that have expressed their, their, um, like reservations or doubts. Yes, doubts about me, about the show, about the engagement, but you never once did that on the show. So I'm really confused. So it was validated and watched it, but then it was also a heart.

I was watching my heart being working every Monday, like every Monday night was the worst day of my life. And while I was crying and just like confused and upset, he's out. you're posting memes about the show and I'm like did this mean nothing to you because you truly feel hurt about this you truly feel like you tried everything and it just didn't work you would not be out here posting memes about the show yeah and promoted the show like because the way the show ended you just broke my heart like what do you mean it just it didn't make sense the way he was moving about it made no sense especially after the breakup I think I got more clarity on the fact that he's just not who he painted himself out to me.

Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll, uh, I want to get into AFR. We'll do that part two. Before we, before we, um, before we end this episode, you mentioned you see, you've seen a lot of stuff with Devin online with like other women or whatnot. Can you describe for our listeners what you've been seeing? Yeah. So obviously there's a video circulating around him in New York with a girl and um that was like i think two weeks before a far and we were broken up at that point however we had been talking and he had been saying we had been talking about meeting up and seeing where things go seeing if we can work on this seeing if we can end things on good terms or whatever it was and also just like i've deserved a a conversation in person like i wanted

that conversation in person and not to have to do that on live TV. He was leading me on to believe that there was hoping there was something there the whole month. And then he's out in New York with this girl. And to my knowledge, it's one of his ex-girlfriends. And I, it's just, I've been getting a lot of DMs and texts about what he had been doing in the past month. Like, there are rumors he was at a bar with this girl making out with her three weeks before AFR. And somebody sent me a photo of him and her at the airport together flying to New York. So, listen, this isn't just some girl that you met at a bar and you wanted to hook up with.

Well, this is an ex-girlfriend that you're now traveling together with. Super different. Which is funny because he is the one that said he doesn't deal with exes because he was the one that was so strong about when your ex came back that he was going to leave the show if you kept him. So the fact that he has an ex around, I mean, do you think he, do you think she's been around this whole time? Well, I, I, I don't know. I think these are the facts. He goes missing for some days at a time. He immediately after his show is like detached, not giving an effort.

He doesn't want to see me. and then now there's this girl coming out and they're flying together to New York and she's an ex-girlfriend and and it just those are the facts and that's what I'm seeing and what can I do with that like I don't know and the thing is I did get a DM when I came back from the show and somebody had warned me about this girl and I didn't believe it I was like I love Devin he would never do that to me. Yeah. And now I'm kicking myself for not looking into that, yeah.

I mean, in your shoes, it's very, it would be very, very hard not to speculate on. Yeah, I mean, I would. I would be out here like, fuck him. Okay, let's wrap this here because I want to get into AFR in part two. So to all our listeners, thank you so much. That was part one with Jen. we are going to get into everything AFR in part two. We will be dropping that tomorrow.

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