Bachelor Happy Hour - EXCLUSIVE: Joey on Kissing His Way into Bachelor History

Episode Date: July 6, 2023

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” just like all of Bachelor Nation, we’re all in on Joey! Joe and Serena chat with the man who gave all of America butterflies and discuss the one-on-one time he spent with Charity after setting the record for longest kiss in Bachelor history.  Joey opens up about his family’s willingness to let him tell their story, how Charity made it so easy for him to be vulnerable with her, and why he and Charity continued kissing well past the established record of 3 minutes and 22 seconds. Plus, Joey reveals whether he felt like his and Charity’s kiss was disrespectful and which of Charity’s connections he and the other men felt threatened by.   Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So we're so happy to have you on. What's up? How are you? I'm doing good. Just started my morning over here. I'm excited to be here with you guys and have a little conversation today. Absolutely.

So you're originally from New Jersey and now you're living in Hawaii? Philadelphia areas where I grew up. So majority of my life, I was in Philly from like second grade through college. I was actually born in Florida, but Philly's always been known as my hometown. Okay, okay.

And how long have you been in Hawaii? Together, collectively, we're closer to like four years. I moved here after college, stayed here for almost three years, and then moved in January of 2020 to Nashville. And I lived in Nashville for two years, and I just moved back to Hawaii for another year now. So I've been bouncing around a little bit trying to find my spot, but it just seems like Hawaii just keeps grabbing me back. Wow, vague traveler. What time is it there right now?

It's early. It's 7.13 a.m., but I'm usually up this early. Good morning. Good morning. It's good to be here. What about, is Hawaii home? Like, would you, would you, do you see yourself ending up there? It's such a good question. Probably not.

I have so much love for this place, but, you know, especially after doing an experience like this, you have those versions where you tell yourself, like, you don't want to leave this place, but you sacrifice a lot being here. All my family's on the East Coast, so it's a 12-hour flight to see them. And that takes a toll on our relationship, obviously. and, you know, it's, you do something like this and you prioritize meeting people and putting in relationships as being like a forefront of your life. And you realize that it's kind of something you want more than you give credit sometimes. So I think Hawaii has been a great place for me

when I'm trying to figure out what I want. It's great for my job and what I do. But for family and friends and just enjoying, you know, meeting people in my life, it can be a little tough over here. Do you have any, like, family or friends out in Hawaii or when you moved out there, did you not know anyone. My uncle actually lived out here. He was a teaching tennis pro as well. And he first came out to Chicago. I think when he was closer to my age, and he lived a lifestyle for a while where he was like half and half. So he lived half the year on the mainland and half the year in Hawaii and eventually moved out here full time. So that was kind of my introduction to coming out here and playing tennis and teaching a little bit. And I mean, anyone that comes to Kauai, you just fall in love with this place.

It's too easy. We actually almost went to Hawaii for our honeymoon, which we are not doing, but I've always wanted to go. I have to ask you, okay, so your job title is a tennis instructing professional, correct? Yep. What is the difference between an average tennis instructor and a tennis instructing professional? It's, have you ever like a golf pro before? Someone says they're like a golf pro. Have you heard that at all either for people that are teaching golf?

I think I know I know the answer to this, but I want to hear, I want to hear. So you have to get credentials to be a teaching tennis professional. At the end of the day, you can just be, you know, an average tennis player and have the ability to go through the training to get the certification that gives you kind of the, I guess, the professionalism to be able to teach. I am in no ways at the skill level of being an actual tennis pro. I can hit a tennis ball pretty nice, but some people might even call me a glorified. gym teacher. I just like having fun on the tennis court. I try to make people enjoy what they're doing. I'm definitely professionally trained. I know what I'm doing, but I'm in no ways at the level of those guys you see on TV. I will never claim that whatsoever. Do you have anyone out in New York

that you could suggest to be? Because I'm trying to take tennis lessons. Joe, I'll come out there, man. We'll make it happen. I can make that happen in a heartbeat. But I don't know any New York connections sadly but um yeah maybe maybe that'll be a place i end up someday and i'll get you out there on a tennis court nice that would be great all right one other question before we get into these episodes how tall are you i am 511 and i'm one of those people that uh it would love to claim the six foot most people when they meet me they're like yeah you're six foot but for some reason in my brain i was like i never wanted to meet a six foot guy and they're like no no you're not six foot when you applied for the show did you put 5-11 or did you put 6 feet I did put 511 good for you I did

I did not want to be a liar on that front I'm sorry well because I am I'm I'm 6-1 in going on the show that was like it's like I mean every single guy is 6-5 it's insane that's why I'm in people when I got off the show the first time everyone thought I was like 5-7 um and that's why I was asking you like how tall it because and you mentioned it in the show well yeah that you guys you guys this season, the last two episodes, we've seen a lot of people talking about how tall the guys are. I'm like, they need to start putting heights. Like, what does this mean? What is tall? Guys, I cannot explain to you how many tall guys are on this season. Like, it's, it seemed like the requirement was six, four and above. So I walked in that room initially and I was like,

I'm not supposed to be here right now. Like this is someone, someone made a mistake. But heights's never been an issue in my life. I've always been one that's at least been eye level. never had issue with like being too short for a girl but yeah and you guys know you watch walking that bachelor mansion it's a it's a different game with those guys oh yeah how talls charity do you know i actually don't know the exact height i think i want to say maybe like five four ish five c because she's always wearing heels right yeah that's true that's true okay so night one five three i think so so night one um you have a you have one-on-one time we charity. Now there's a few memes online that you are making any eye contact with her.

Have you seen this? I hated it. Of course I see this. Yeah. You know how many times you were nervous? Okay. So this is a two-part of question. A, or is it, was it because you were nervous? And then we're just going to jump real quick to this week's episode. And they had mentioned that you were making a ton of eye contact. Were you trying to make up for it? Of course. No, honestly you guys know that first night how nervous you are and how there's just like i blacked out coming out of that limo like i don't remember anything so just the fact to hear that it actually enunciated and you can hear what i was saying was a win for me um but that first conversation i think i was i was nervous um it was raining that night too so i think there's probably they cut

a lot of those scenes where i'm like watching this rainfall she's saying it's cold um but yeah i i I mean, I contact something we can all work on, I'm sure, but I try to stay present. I tried to ignore the cameras. And I think on that first night, I was probably a little, just a little too gazing around the room and definitely tried to work on the next one. It's really overstimulating. Like, there's a lot. People forget that.

Like, they're pretty close to you. You can see everyone standing there staring at you talking to her. So I can totally relate to being like, okay, yes, I have this beautiful woman next to me, but I've also got like 12 cameramen in front of my face. Yeah. In having that conversation with her and I want your thoughts on this, when you first have that one-on-one time and the camera's like right in your face and this is technically like the first time you're ever experiencing that,

it's so. It's jarring. Yeah. It's like this is so invasive. Like I can't do this. It's just different, right? It's one of those things no one can ever prep you for. But for me and I mean, we'll get into this week's episode soon.

And I think that was really telling for how much of a connection I felt with her because this next time I talked to her, like, they're not even there. I can't even notice cameras. Like, it's just me and her. So that was nice. And I think the first night, there's just so much more going on. I did not have that feeling. I sadly was extremely aware of the cameras.

And it took me a little bit to ignore them. And going into the rose ceremony, how confident were you that you were going to get a rose? I was pretty confident. you know I wasn't one of the guys that was thinking I was a shoeing for the first impression rose but I did think we had enough of a spark I could tell that she was vibing with me enough that I wasn't going to be shocked if I got a first impression rose but at least for the the rose ceremony I felt confident my name was going to be called and she was nice enough to call me early so I really didn't have to sweat on that first time yeah that's a good feeling

that that is nice um what was I going to say oh uh okay so let's let's We're going to get into this week's episode. But before we do, I do, I do want to ask, how did you get on the show? Oh, yeah. One of the producers, DM me. I had no really, yeah, I didn't really have any connection with the show. I knew of it. My mom's like kind of a little bit of a super fan and watched it when we were younger.

So I know my oldest sister watched it with her too. But for me, I, yeah, I didn't watch the show that much. So I didn't know much about it. And one of them just sent me a DM and asked if I ever thought it, applying and 100% thought it was fake turns out it wasn't there you go now you're in okay so we get to uh this week's episode um you you have your group date before that group date what is the house like with the guys like there's this uh breeden and what's his name adrian adrian drama are you guys seeing any of that at this point yeah like Aaron B's out on his one-on-one and you guys

have that day off what's the energy like the energy for me uh was definitely just just, you know, we can't do anything at a time. So I'm trying to get to know the guys. I'm asking questions, just trying to get a feel for what these guys are like. And I was honestly pretty worried that the guys are going to be a little rough to get along with because you hear about horror stories of the show. And for me on that first couple of days, I wasn't there for any of the drama. I didn't feel it.

I thought the guys were honestly extremely genuine, easy to get along with. And it kind of made me realize, like, wow, we've got a really good group of guys. This might be tougher than I thought to kind of be someone that stands out through this hole. series so um yeah i i i definitely had no negativity or like drama feels on the first couple of days at least in my book and who like who are your like guys in the house boys yeah uh tanner i got along with really quickly we've been uh pretty much connected throughout he's just a great dude um sean was someone we we both love golf so that was an easy connection early um who else Xavier amazing dude just, you know, Dotten was

probably one of the easiest guys you can imagine to talk to. How tall is that? So tall. I mean, the answer is so tall. He's like, he's a legit. Hands down. He's a legitimate six eight.

There'll be times I hope they get it where I like hug Dotten and it looks like he's like holding me like a child. Like the Dotten is massive. But he's also just got this like presence about him that you don't even like, I don't know. He's like a gentle giant. He's a gentle giant.

He's such a good. Dude, I love dying. Oh, we love him too, so that's good to hear. Yeah, he's in my, we do like a top four. We took a guess on who we think top four is going to be after the first. Oh, don't tell me, I was in it. Oh, don't be, you're in both. You're in the top four.

That's how we were excited. You're the only one that's in both of ours. Oh, I'm honored. Yeah. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation. about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills

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All right. So we're going to, should we go to the makeout date, longest kiss. Yeah, let's do it. Your shining moment. See them so far. All right. Did you get any help with that idea? Or was that all you?

When you told the kiss story. Yeah, the kiss story. No, that one was on me. My thought process was, obviously they say talk about the craziest kiss you had or some type of kiss story. And the first thing I came in my head was I didn't really have one that was too wild. So I was like, let's think of what you would want your best kiss to be. Like, let's think of what that could possibly look like. But then I had that idea pop in my head.

Well, why don't I try to say what I want my first kiss to charity to be like? Because I don't want to talk about my past. I'm here for her. Like I wanted to make it about what we could possibly do. So hopefully it hit pretty well because it was an idea that just kind of went off the fly there. Hopefully, definitely did.

Like I had five minute making out afterwards. Yeah, I guess so. It was a great idea. Because I had said in our other episode when we recap the episode, like if I'm charity sitting there, like it's a little uncomfortable hearing all these guys talk about

their romantic kisses with their past girls. So I thought you did a great job spinning that to make her feel really special. And then we can't skip over the fact that Rachel whispered, to charity that you wouldn't stop looking at her. Were you intentionally doing that or was it just kind of like natural? It was pretty easy if you see what she looked like that day, obviously.

But yeah, I mean, little things on those group dates, I feel like make a difference. And that was my first time they kind of signed in a group setting. And yeah, eye contact, I said and show it on the first night. But it's huge. Like, it lets you know that you're present. You're there. She feels seen. So there's a lot of noise.

There's a crowd. there's a lot of things going on. I wanted to make sure she knew I was focusing on her at that moment. And it was awesome to see that there was actually noticed. That's great. Those little things go like such a long way in those environments. For sure. Okay, full transparency.

You kiss for four minutes and 25 seconds. There's no way it was great the whole time. When did it? What? What do you mean? He's like, oh, yeah, around three minutes got really bad. Oh, man. I mean, was there, okay, was there ever a point where you're like,

okay, we're going for the record here. We got to be close because I'm getting tired. I mean, I'm not going to sit here. I'm not going to sit here and say that wasn't like a irregularly long kiss. Like there's a moment in that where you kind of are like, okay, we're done. We were both shocked how far we passed the record. But in my head, I play it back. And I'm like, I thought someone was going to have like an air horn or someone was going to like maybe touch us and stop us.

like you don't there was no prep for what that was going to be like so in my head i was just i almost said when you think you're done maybe just go a little bit longer just to make sure you're not the one that doesn't break the record and it yeah i don't know that was that was such a surreal moment where i really thought i was going to get caught up in the timing but it was weirdly easy just to stay in it with her and just block all out all the other noise that was going on. It wasn't hard to be like, oh my gosh, all these people are watching me stand on this stage kiss this girl right? And that was you guys' first kiss, right? First kiss, first kiss, yeah. It surprisingly wasn't just because there was something that was just special going on between us in that moment.

I hate BDA. I was definitely afraid of that being what the date was because I would rather that be behind closed doors all day long. But, you know, and these things, you just got to kind of lean into it. It was just one of those things that you didn't expect to happen and you just commit and pleasantly surprised how much it was just felt like a moment between us in that time for sure. Were you worried at all about maybe getting like too excited? And there's, you know, there's an audience. You know, you're caught up in the moment. You're making out for quite some time.

You got the questions today, Joe. I like it. All I can say was it was one of those things that you just, you don't know what going to happen and I'm I was definitely afraid the promo came up obviously last week and they were so zoomed in I was like yeah I probably was way too excited and was ignoring everything that was going on I could not handle half these pictures that have been coming out of that and I'm just don't don't think about someone zooming in on your face in that moment and maybe be a little bit better yeah yeah for sure okay so then um all right so now date goes great for you um how did you

feel when they said, okay, great, you passed record and now you get a one-on-one date? I felt like I was the luckiest guy because, you know, like, when you hear someone get that first one-on-one, you think they're probably the luckiest that week because they finally get that alone time. And that's a base that you need to be able to, like, build on this whole entire journey. But the fact that I got a chance to stand out on a group date and then all of a sudden I get a one-on-one as well, I thought I was winning. I just don't think that could went any better for me. No, it definitely could. I think, yeah, it went as well as it could have, for sure. Yeah. So then that day, you get a chance to open up and you talk about your parents' divorce

and your dad coming out. Was that something you were cautious of bringing up too early on? Like, what was your thought process going in? Yeah, I think you have to think through that, right? Because that's something that's serious, but it's important when you talk about your life. And I had a conversation with my dad before going on the show, and I wanted to make sure he was okay with me sharing his story because it's something that's affected me, but it's really his life. So I had that conversation with him. He was comfortable and he trusted me on how I would at least carry myself and talk about it that would be done in the right light. And you never know on the show when you get your moment to share something personal. So it was a mix of I felt so comfortable with charity to talk to her.

about it, but also I didn't know when I would get another time like this, that would have that uninterrupted time to do it correctly because it was something that was really important to me. And I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something that you talk about and then a guy comes to interrupt you when you really didn't get a chance to speak too much. So it probably wouldn't have been something I would love to just do right off the jump, but on this opportunity, you just, you can't, you can't waste it. And it was something that was really important to me. So I didn't want to, I didn't want to shy away from it. Great. Yeah. I thought it was a beautiful moment. and like her reaction I thought was

exactly I thought she really appreciated your vulnerability and I'm sure that brought you guys closer together and yeah I can totally understand being like I'm not going to show us on a group date when someone's going to potentially interrupt me and now I have this time and I don't know if I'll get a one-on-one date anytime soon again so wanting to take advantage and I can imagine that definitely brought you guys closer

Yeah I mean it go ahead no no sorry I was just saying that you have to kill connect on something, right? And family was something that was so big with charity. And I could talk about my family for hours. So to explain your family dynamic, you know, that's something that's super important. And my dad's one of my favorite people in this world. I talk to him about everything. So when you explain who he is as a person, it's part of them. And it's something I think that needs to be talked about more and not be so refrained from or worried to talk about. So it was, it just felt like the right moment at that time. Yeah, great. And it is, like,

it is regardless of of what your personal life and your stories are it isn't easy to just open up on a show like that because especially someone you've just met and like you said and I think that like are you out having that conversation with your father beforehand I think is so important because even though it has affected your life it is his story so you're going to tell someone else's story to an extent so like yeah I think but overall I think like I think like I thought it was beautiful and I thought like you like the way you expressed it I mean it was great right yeah it was a really nice moment um pretty sure you saying that kind of go after that like moving forward into the rest of the night oh man I mean it's it just felt like it just was so fluid and easy

we both said after that night it felt like we kind of already knew each other like it just something about it was she meets you halfway in every conversation and it just it just felt like it was easy to open up about something as personal as that, but then we get the ability just to learn more about each other and obviously ending the night on the balcony, sharing another kiss. I just, I have such fond memories of that day. It was, it's something I'll never forget because I think for a first kiss, a first interaction, I couldn't have wrote it any better than it went, especially since I felt like I missed out on the opportunity on kissing her on the first night, just how everything kind of went. I felt like it was a really,

get start to our story that we were building together. Yeah. And then while you guys were building this beautiful love story, amazing fairy tale date moment, we have all the guys back at the house having a little bit of a different evening. How was it when you heard about... Because of you, Joey. Yes, it's all my fault. How dare you?

How dare I kiss a beautiful woman. I'm an idiot. That you're supposedly dating. I mean, and I get like certain guys like not wanting to watch it or, or being upset about it. But like in no way, because of, because of what the show is, in no way do I find it disrespectful on anyone's end. And I guess, yeah, like, what are your thoughts on the guys and the drama?

And just like disrespectful, the blur, I guess. I really think that the, at least from the side of the guys that had to sit there and watch, Charity and I both didn't really like that part of it. We understood it. but we both were like sitting there and said after that that was tough to have those guys have to sit there for that moment that was something for us we wouldn't change it for the world but if we could fix maybe one thing those guys didn't have to be there to watch that because no one wants to see that as much as they sign up for it on the show no one has to or wants to see

that and then for the stuff that went on at the house uh you know it's it's it's one of those things that it's hard to understand what they're feeling because I'm not in their shoes, but they also weren't on the date. So it's hard to see them blow up too because they are just hearing off the hearsay of what the day was. And yeah, I think the five guys that were there that had to watch that have a lot more of an understanding to be upset than the guys that didn't really even get to see how it came about because we had a lot of fun on that group date. We knew that was going to be the end of it, but it was a bonding moment for the the six guys that were there to kind of, you know, have a little fun game show first time in

front of a big audience. Like there was a lot of good on that date. It just sucks that there had to be one winner for them and that they had to watch that. So it's tough to see you guys get upset, but it was one of those things that was just a little hard to understand in some parts too. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face.

When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adapted strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like go you, go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way avoidance is easier ignoring is easier denial is easier drinking is easier yelling screaming is easy complex problem solving meditating you know takes effort listen to the psychology podcast on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts i think democrats have for a very

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enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally, like, I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers, the pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control.

And they're saying like, okay, pull this, do this, pull that, turn this. It's just, I can do my ice close. I'm Mani. I'm Noah. This is Devon. And on our new show, No Such Thing, we get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence.

Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise. And then, as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. Listen to No Such Thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, you make a great point that, I mean, I'm not sure about the other guys, but we definitely saw Braden was probably the most mad of anyone in the house about the situation and he wasn't on the date. You would assume, you know, the most upset people would be the ones that had to experience it and for him to just hear about it and get so mad beyond anyone that was actually on the date is a little confusing.

It is, but I will say Braden's feelings are valid. he could tell you guys probably talked to him already from last week like that he wears his emotions on his sleeve he's 100% himself so i won't ever dog him for that but that was if anything i would say about it was it's hard to have a reaction if you weren't actually there i think you had to probably see what it was like totally totally yeah and in in in brayden's defense i think he's also getting caught up in um the drama with iran right adrian adrian and like being accused to certain things and then you start taking everything everything becomes an issue and you take everything too far so there's definitely layers to it yeah i feel like he is definitely getting caught

up in that okay so then um the the the barbecue should talk about the barbecue how how did you feel about that barbecue instead of a cocktail party for me i'll take a barbecue all day. If you tell me I can wear like a Loja shirt instead of getting dressed up and be able to just have a little bit more of a chill vibe, that's my cup to you all day long. So I didn't mind it at all. I thought it's always a fun way to kind of, you know, see the guys more in maybe a relaxed, natural setting. And you guys know when you go into those cocktail parties, there's a lot more like you feel the buzzers coming. You get a little more stress because you know that rose ceremony is right around the corner. You get a little more time, I think, at the, at the barbecue.

to have it be during the day. You know you have some time until that big decision's made. So that kind of, I think, eases the vibe of the day a little bit. And we see on that, in that barbecue, Dotten has a one-on-one time with her.

Are there any guys at this point where you're starting to compare, like, she might be really into him. Like, are you getting nervous? Yeah, I think. Dotten's definitely one. I know that was a big day for them because he finally got that time alone with her.

And you guys can see from just watching the first night how good of a guy he is. So as soon as he was getting time, there was no doubt in anyone's in the house that he was going to start being someone she was interested in. Aaron B is another one. Getting the one-on-one for sure was a big deal. And he felt really confident about night one.

And I don't know. It's crazy because that barbecue is the time where some of these guys are finally getting time with her. So at this time, it's hard to, tell where anyone's at. I think the only people I was really confident at that were getting some type of strong connection were guys that had roses on their chest, which were Aaron B and John B. Those guys obviously did something, got the validation. Those were the guys that, you know, and I'll put me in there as well. But yeah, that those are at least the other two guys

that felt confident were at least starting to create a strong connection because they got that validation and then what's with um well john henry he he went home but he has a tongue ring or something you found out here this is our story about that yeah so john henry one of the funniest guys in the house and i was so sad to see him go home because he was another one i probably should have said that was one of my boys at the time he uh he's just a great dude but yeah we we do these like questions right we're doing the boards and i forget exactly what the question was but his response was like go back to the last answer and his last answer was when they asked a question about do you's tongue on a kiss or something like that and he just all of a sudden sticks his tongue

out and he's got a tongue ring and i i don't know because the guys behind me are like oh yeah that's normal i blew my mind he just had a tongue ring that i never saw because when someone talks you don't see their tongue and i was just like you never you never pegged me as a tongue ring dude like i just threw me off for a second and it was one of the funnier moments because the crowd like crazy and the girls like lost their mind it just yeah it was it was one of those moments and just how he played it off he's hysterical so it was just it was funny moment for that day i'm surprised i didn't include that yeah i was shocked the little funny moment at the end what they do with the credits that would have been hilarious yeah and he had another moment where he got like booed it was it was hysterical

like john henry just he just he if i hope his humor comes out as much as possible in the future because that dude is hysterical. We need him in paradise then because missed opportunity, you know? I want to see more of John Henry now. Was there anyone that you would be? Yeah. Was there anyone that you were shocked that week that went home this week? I think John Henry was the one that was the biggest surprise.

It was a mix of just how much all the guys really loved him. But he also was pretty confident after his final conversation he had with her at the barbecue. He was feeling good. We didn't really understand that one, but besides that. Everyone loved him except for charity, apparently. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's a great dude. He was the one that kind of was the most surprised, I think, on that night.

I mean, he goes home pretty early, but so I don't know if he would be in Paradise. I'm sure you know, but you can't say it. So, yeah, maybe he'll be in Paradise. All right, we're going to play a quick game with you before we do. we want you to tease the rest of the season in a way you can without spoiling it for everyone or us because we're all going to get in trouble if you do that. I know, right?

You don't want to get in trouble. I'll be simple. I'll just go into next week as a spoiler. Obviously you guys know we're going to Oceanside for California. I would say if you ask all of the 14 guys about next week, they would probably say it was one of their favorite weeks, if not their favorite, because it's just, it's good vibes. For people that like the drama, it's going to be there.

Next week is a week that we were all, as we talk about the show, we're like, we cannot wait to see what next week looks like. It's a good one. So I think that's the best thing I can tease right now. That's a great teaser. That's a great teaser. I love that. You know when you're actually, like, when you're in the middle of filming and you're like, oh,

this is going to be good okay I love that yeah that's next in space okay we'll be tuning in we're excited all right

this is a rapid fire we're gonna ask serena's gonna ask you some questions first thing that comes to your head rattle off are you ready I think so all right

what is the first thing you do when you wake up probably hit the snooze button yeah yeah the same Joe did that this morning um how do you like like your pizza? Oh, I'll be a controversial one here.

I do like pineapple and jalapeno on a pizza. I like sweet and spicy. I'll be that guy that's going to get hate on that one. No, but I said that last week. If I'm going to do pineapple, I like jalapeno. Yeah. You got to do both. Pineapple and mushroom.

And Joe was like, no, pineapple and jalapeno. Yeah. Yeah. I respect it. There you go. Okay. Best dating advice you ever received. beat yourself

classic what is your go-to cocktail old-fashioned all day long wow it's a second guy and that's mine too maybe it's like a requirement to go on the bachelor all these guys are like old-fashioned who is one person living or not

that you would like to have dinner with oh it's such a good question I'll just go of my favorite artist just because it's always been that but John Mayer, I just, I just would love to hear more about his music. Nice. Taylor Swift is re-reporting the album about John Mayer coming out, so. I'm sure there's drama in that one.

Jen, can Taylor Swift take out John Mayer? It's the question. What she did to Jake Gyllen. I mean, yeah, she can, I really believe that one can take out anyone. Yeah, I was about to say, I think we can all say Taylor Swift can do whatever she wants. Oh, yeah. She is, that lady has power. She does, but I will say

I've been to a John Mayor concert He's very talented Yeah, John Mayor is great I'm a big fan What is one word or phrase That your friends use to describe you? Loyal Nice

That's good Do you have any bad habits? Well, just go on a simple one That I'm sure everyone does And doesn't like to admit But I bite my fingernails I've tried to stop And it's a bad habit

I do it. You're a biter. No. Yeah, I know it's bad. I'm working on it. Trust me. I'm working on it. What is your go-to karaoke song? Oh, man.

I'm afraid of karaoke deathly. I would say don't stop believing by journey, but you're going to have to pull some strings to get me on a karaoke stage. I had a terrible voice. Okay. Well, we'll have to try that next time. What is the current screensaver on your phone?

It's a photo of four of my buddies that came out to visit in Kauai. We had like a perfect night on the west side of the island where it has like the best sunsets and it's a, it's a silhouette. It's a pretty, pretty awesome picture. Wow, do you know, can we see it? Yeah, I was trying to pull it up, see if it can actually be visual. I got to get rid of these notifications. See if you can see that. Oh, my God.

like a silhouette with us in the background. I'm pretty sure one of my, like, three of these guys have that same photo as their background, too. It was just one of those photos when it gets taken. You're like, yeah, that's a good one. Just five guys looking at the sunset, biting their nails. Just five dudes, biting their nails

enjoying their time. Last question. If you could visit anywhere in the world, where would you go? It's a great question. I'll put top of my bucket list. Australia has been there for so long. I got a chance to go to Europe and I saw in love with Italy and Spain. So I'd say there again too, but I have to say Australia.

I just haven't been yet. And it's, yeah, it fits my vibe. I would love it there. Yeah, I actually really want to go. I know. I want to go. I'm just scared of all the gigantic bugs and animals. Spiders.

Yeah, there's just so many. Definitely animals. Is there's no snakes, nothing that hasn't been brought in because it's one of those volcanic islands. So, yeah, I don't think I would love the idea that everything wants to kill me in Australia. Yeah, good luck with those. Jumbo's fires crawling into your toilet. If you're going to Hawaii for, if you're going to Hawaii for the first time you're visiting and you have a week, where do you have to go? It's a great question too.

My first thing I would say is bump it up to 10 days because a week's never enough. But if you can and if you can, 10 days, because people always get here. And then by day four, they kind of get on the timeline and feel like they're on quote unquote Hawaii time. and they just start to enjoy themselves right when they leave. So I always try to say, do 10 days if you can. I'm very biased on Kauai. I think it's the best island, hands down. It just has so much green and vegetation, and it's the oldest island,

so it has the most beaches, and it's just beautiful. And it's the least gentrified, so you get the ability to kind of check it out a little more. But if you want an actual script of what to do, go to Hawaii, go down the Nepali coast. It's probably one of the best views in the entire world and then make your way probably over to Oahu and check out Waikiki and everything just if you want to see a buzz.

Those would be the two things that I think most people really enjoy. If you want to add a third, make it to the big island and go see the volcano because it's still active. Cool. Wow, there you go. For everyone listening, you just got your Hawaii tour planned out for you. Hi, Joey. We did too.

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