Bachelor Happy Hour - Exclusive: Kat Shares the Text That Ended Her Relationship with Dale

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Today on “Happy Hour,” Charity and Rachel are back with Kat Izzo for part two of her Dale tell-all. We jump right back in where we left off, diving into the explosive end of this sticky breakup. Kat tells us the fallout from Vegas, the official breakup, and a couple of surprises that added fuel to the fire. If you wanna know all the details, including the actual “hey, girly” text Kat received, tune in now! Make sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And it seemed like you guys were like such a happy couple. Yeah, no, that's like the internet for you. So was that him that's like, I want to present this to the public even though you were not having a good time? We had our biggest fight there. What was the fight? What was the fight? Oh, I mean, yeah, I don't, like, it's just like, it was just a lot. Like, I eventually, like, was like, okay, like, this is, like, not okay. Like, I feel like you have been gone, like, I was sitting at the chair, like, while, but before the fight was going to start and he left for an hour, I guess, to go get a drink, but like he was gone for an hour. And then I was like, okay, like at this, like, I, I just felt so alone. And, like, he wasn't even, like, trying to, like, take the time to make me feel comfortable in environments, clearly not mine. And, like, that's how I move. But then also when you start to see somebody from that person, perspective, like, everything is going to be heightened. So I was, like, a little aware of that. Like, I could be, like, just seeing him from that

perspective, because I already felt that way. Um, but it was so not received very well. And so I was just not being spoken to very appropriately. Um, like, one of the things that was said was, if you want someone that's going to be obsessed with you, that's not going to be me. And he's like saying that to me, like, I'm right here. He's right here. And I'm actually, you know what? I'm talking to say, like he's going to hate that I'm telling somebody details but like I actually don't care like yeah he was just going on and on on like he did this when we were doing the reunion too like I'm sure I contributed to it like I think I triggered him in certain ways but like it was never like oh she's feeling insecure like let me help her like if he was like feeling that way like I would see my partner from that perspective at least that's what I would want um

and I learned to say less because then they can't hurt you back like use that against you so like he would just keep going if I wouldn't say anything and eventually would stop and like I just felt like so that was I just did not say anywhere throughout the entire fight like I was just like he needs to apologize like whatever have your hard moment and then I was like actually I do want someone that's obsessed with me and like that's okay like you could like I do like I want to be obsessed with my partner and vice versa like why is it a bad thing right and all I wanted to know was where you were so anyways we leave the fight are we leave yeah the actual boxing fight and then um it was just, of course, so hard to get an Uber, even though he told me you were going to have a car service the whole time. Of course, yes. And couldn't get out of there. I was walking in heels.

So it was just like, so done. Did you guys break up during that fight? No. So, then I eventually snapped because he, like, said something really disrespectful to me. And I was like, I'm going home. Like, I'm literally not. Like, I'm tired. What do you say?

We got, I mean, okay, so we got out of the taxi. Like, we finally got where we were supposed to be. and I said something about something, maybe the Uber or something. It's okay if you don't remember. No, I remember. I'm just like, I'm going to, like, these are just so many details, but whatever. I said something about the Uber. I said something.

And he said something under his breath. And I goes, you just tell me to shut the fuck up. And he goes, no, I told you to grow the fuck up. Like, you're acting like a child. And then that's when I was done. And that's when I finally, like, lost it. So, of course, I'm like, we're, like, I'm, like, trying to get home. He, like, leaves, whatever.

We have this party bus driver, I guess, that we had on the way there. And we're in this party bus. Like, I was eventually, like, crying and, like, upset and probably not communicating in my best. Crying on the party bus. Crying on the party bus. Lilly Bowen's up with him. Disco lights are going off. Literally.

There's someone on this. It was cinema. I'm crying. And he's, like, you know, like, you, if I had unhealthy relationships in the past, like, maybe you're the problem. Like, blah, blah. I'm like, I shared that with you because, like, that is something that I've taken to grow from. not because, like, you can use, like, my, like, low moments against me. And, like, yeah, it's been hours and I'm finally snapping.

Like, I'm tired of it. Like, I do deserve respect. But, of course, when you do that and you yell and you lose your composure, they can be like, look at you, you're, like, not composed. And it's like, oh, but you got me here, you know? And, like, I have been. And so I definitely didn't handle myself very well in that moment. I was just, like, so upset.

And then we went back home. And we were supposed to spend that next weekend together. but it was, then I was like, everything is work-related and I'm done doing work-related stuff. Like when we were at the Padres game, he literally did that to set up his stuff. I just got enough work and didn't even talk to me the whole time. I was asking questions about the baseball that I already knew answers to because I just wanted him to, like, have a conversation with me. So I'm like, okay. So you felt like at this point, like obviously after Vegas and then you're mentioning the Padres game,

like you probably were already checked out if not like that was like the final straw. I was getting scared. I was like, if this is, I do not, did you not want to leave him? Well, I just, I give people moments of like, let's talk about it, right? So like, let's, okay, now I know if this is possibly work related, then I won't be participating. So that next weekend was that. And it was, I guess, partners that he does work with.

And I'm like, I don't want my person to bring me to this space that he did in Vegas. And we had a really, like, we took a couple days. And then we really talked about it. And I felt like there was conflict resolution in those moments where we can, like, Like, you use those understand each other. But at the end of the day, I'm like, this is just still not feeling good. And I've always not felt like super good. Like, we saw how it was in Paradise.

Like, my intuition was kind of like there. And then it was his birthday in New York. And I went and saw him and we had a good time. I caught to see you charity. And I tried to, you know, okay, let's talk about San Diego. Like, now it's time. Like, I would like to have an idea of what the next year is going to look like, right?

least since in January and I just felt again like we didn't get anywhere and it was a bunch of I actually couldn't tell you because I don't even know what happened in the conversation and granted I go to therapy every other week if not weekly so like I talk about I understand unhealthy communication almost too well now so I can clock it so quickly and so when people talk in circles or there is no start and finish is usually from a place of either manipulation or they just don't even know and then your left confused and they don't have to answer, right? So that's what it started to feel like. And I'm like, all right, I need some space to see if this makes sense for me because I don't want to do anything that doesn't have like an intentional end, right? And I didn't feel like we've gone anywhere

at this point where we're growing. And at this point, like, we don't even have an inside joke. Like, I, like, we need to have inside jokes. Like, it is why. Yeah. So it's like, I just didn't feel like there was enough momentum and that there was, I was getting that reciprocal. goal. I think he felt that too. I think he started to feel that too. I'm sure he did too. Like I think that I also made, like, he was experiencing very similar feelings. Mm-hmm. No, I just, I'm like, I'm itching to get to the breakup. Yeah, I'm like, I think this lead-up matters so much. I feel like at this point, like, so many breakups should have happened. So what could have actually happened to, like, really push this over the edge? And like, what was the, how did that conversation go? We spent a few weeks apart. And I was like.

I said, let me take some space and I need to see if this is what I really want. You take your space and you're going to be in San Diego that last week of October and we'll see each other then, I guess maybe, I don't know. I actually didn't even know if we agreed on that yet. But like, I knew he was coming for something else and like we can see where we're at. So we were checking in like weeklyish. Like I just didn't want him to feel alone. He was so understanding.

He was like take, I get it. Like whatever. Are you guys still together? Like we're still dating. Yeah. I'm not hooking up with anyone or anything. Like we are still like together in a way. like publicly obviously too and but we're so I didn't feel completely like gone like I felt but like again

I didn't even feel like I was dating him to begin with so like what I wanted to feel is if I felt apart from him during that time and I felt the same so for me that was really telling like a break versus like okay we are officially done like I don't want to talk to you oh yeah let's close the door okay so then he comes then he comes to San Diego like I try to talk to him I think that like Monday or something we talk for four hours about nothing and didn't get anywhere and then he's like well I'm coming like let's see each other whatever so he's in san diega we spend the whole weekend together he's like I love you I want to be with you I want to make this work like blah blah blah I'm like okay let's see so then we start talking daily and nothing really changes and I think that goes on for about two weeks

and um but I wasn't like itching to get like I was like I don't really like care at this point like I'm done done like at this point like if you're not not going to make me like feel loved. I don't feel like that's not how I feel good in relationship. So then a weekend went by where we literally like barely talked. And I felt like I couldn't move on with my life with someone else or experience like new experiences because I was tied to this like relationship that was like in limbo. New year, new goals. And in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever. I am Matt. And I'm Joel. We are from the how to money podcast. And every week we help you to spend smarter, save more.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. I called him my half-boyfriend. I was going to say at this point, are you dating? We're like, I mean, did you have a break up discussion? We never set boundaries as far as like hooking up with other people. But like we were, I mean, talking every single day. But like we weren't like really like I just assumed like obviously we're if we did experience or explore someone else like that would be communicated and, you know, discussed in a way. But like we did go from talking every single day.

So like FaceTiming and doing all this stuff. But just about general stuff. like nothing crazy, like still not anything different than before to all of a sudden I didn't hear from him like at all that weekend. And so then that Sunday I was like, right, I'm done. Like I don't, I don't care to be this doing anymore. Like I need to move on my life. Called him. We had to talk. We were like, and you told him that you were like done. Yeah, I was like, this is clearly not working. Like we want different things in a relationship. Like you want to still be living in like New York. I want this in a relationship. I want to be

close to my partner. I don't really know if I can adjust to the lifestyle that you have. And like, that is so okay. Like, we've. tried to like see if that's a life that we can do together and I think we just both want different things and need different things in a relationship and like you go do that like and I will go do this and like let's move on it helps I guess that we weren't like super like I didn't feel super connected to him to begin with so he's like yeah I agree like everything's good I'm like no pushback at all never he's never had pushback damn he doesn't he's never been like even when I brought up before. Okay, so minimal

reaction from him and then But we're like on no terms. We're like bye bye. He's like, I'll be in Florida for the holidays like I'd love to see your family like weird shit like that. I'm like okay. Okay. Yeah. So where's where's the meat? I want the meat. Okay. So the second we get off the phone, I get a hey girlie text

like literally the moment I press that button. I'm literally I got chills. I get a hey girlie text from one of my friends who got a hey girlie text from someone else. And I have it. It's in my DMs. This is giving, I'm coming to you from as women to woman.

Sure. We're going to read it. So I get my phone. I'm coming to you as woman to woman. No, so this wasn't even from the girl yet. Okay, here it is. I'm like getting, this is so crazy. This girl, I guess, knew of the girl, right?

So it's her friend. Yeah, in a way. She goes, as long as I, because I message her, She was like, hey, this girl messaged one of my friends and was like, I need you to know that, like, Dale, I don't know if here, him and cow together, but he slept with another girl last night. And so I figured this would get to you sooner. So I go, I would love to know the details. I'm sick. But I call him back immediately.

Like, I hadn't even messaged her yet. And I'm like, hey, what's this? Did you sleep over with someone last night? Like, did you hook up with someone last night? And he's like, no. Like, someone was trying. but like I didn't hook up with her and like I slept in my own bed and I'm like somebody was trying I've heard this conversation so many I saw I heard it on TV actually wait like you saw it on TV so I said

okay and then I messaged a girl she goes as long as I say completely onomous this will bite me in the ass but wait let me read this girl what number one girl's girl's and number two I just really love you from afar so I was like need to share the girl is okay she was telling me how she's like knows the girl the girl's best friends and my best friend so I don't know who exactly she told aside from her and don't know what's coming back to me, but it happened last night in Florida. The girl's name is blank. She's blank. He slept at her place. She had a pick of him in her bed. I personally saw them with my own eyes and can confirm it was indeed him. So I call him back and I go listen. I will not care if you hooked up with somebody, but I will care if you lie to me. And this is now what's

been shared. And there's a photo. So what is it? And he said, we didn't hook up, but like, I did like sleep with her in the bed or something like that and or yeah it was something about like I go what no he's like okay yes like we slept together in the same bed or something like that or we kissed or something I go wait but then why didn't you tell me that you guys hooked up and he's like well when you said hooked up I thought you meant sex so so a lie and a lie and so he's like I was like you're you're an adult like you have a brain and like you do know when I say hook up you meant I meant ever ever Like it I didn't just mean sex. So like you're so he lied to me originally and he's basically like trying to cover that up and then I'm like what? And then, uh, he's like, call you back, whatever. We go back and forth on the phone. This is like now about like an hour into it and I keep getting more information. Like I saw that and everything. And then he's like, uh, okay, I was like, I need to know every single detail because at the end of the day, regardless of what happened, it should have come from you. I should not have been someone else. I understand we're not dating. But like, like, uh, okay. I was like, I need to know every single detail because at the end of the day, regardless of what happened. It should have come from you. I should not been someone else. I understand we're not dating. I understand we're not dating. But. But Like this is hurtful because we never set these boundaries. And I need to understand like what actually is about to come out. So I, this is your opportunity now to tell me everything because this is embarrassing for me, in my opinion. Not only that, but like you need to be like safe and know if he's sleeping with other people like to protect yourself. Correct.

Because like we, I was just with him. Right. So. And he's like, well, we're not even like together or whatever and like try to like make it the same. I was like, well, I mean, sure, but like we are kind of. But regardless, like that's still not okay. So like I should not be getting hey girly text. So then I reach out to the girl personally.

And because as we were talking before that, it came out that basically like they, you know, he told me how. I was like, how did you get to the bedroom? I was like, while we were talking and like, you know, she followed me in my room and then like she left and like we never slept together. And then we did everything besides sex and all this stuff. Like all these things. Like he's, it just kept growing, right? Because that's what happens. And I'm like, oh, I've seen this movie before.

You think I haven't dated a guy that I first said no And then all of a sudden find everything else out as you keep pulling back layers Like it just felt so familiar and I'm like He started I was like okay I know I need I gotta go Like I need to talk to the girl whatever and like I think he knew I was calling her So I call the girl and she's so sweet and she's like I'm so sorry like I thought you guys were in together I told my guys who broke up like in early October and like all this stuff and I'm like that's weird Like it's just with me two weeks ago

Like we talk every day But at no point in October did you guys ever have a conversation about like being on a break or anything? Yeah, yeah. That's when we, but we also had. But you guys weren't broke like like, he said Halloween weekend like we like broke up basically. And I'm like, that's when we spent time together. You guys just had the conversation. Yeah, we've sent time together. So it doesn't even matter.

Honestly, like I again, I did not really care at this point. I was already checked out. Like you could hook up. I don't consider cheating like whatever. It was just like we're clearly in a public relationship. You're acting so careless with my name. I won't even hold a man's hand if he looks at me. because we're still in a public relationship.

And also, I don't know where we stand fully. Like, we have not had that full I'm done conversation. So let's just have respect for each other. And it comes out, of course, that they did actually fully hook up. And she was actually the one that kicked him out of the room. And it's like all these, like crazy details that completely conflict everything that he said. And I at that point was like, okay, no, done. Like, you actually will never be able to speak to me again.

Because now at this point, every single thing that you have said to me has been a lie. all my intuition everything that I felt about the relationship felt so like validating of like I knew it and I think this was like whatever I believe in spiritually like God like showing me like this is why you guys are in together because it happened so right after we got off the phone which means well also like the fact that it happened so quickly after is like it was happening for a while or at least the thought of it was happening for I mean he I think he was probably not honest with me about other things in a relationship I mean I saw so many signs of it so just that what hurt me so much was the level that he went to be dishonest. And I felt so like how can someone be so capable of that? And then I eventually did answer one of his phone calls. And I told him that like I know he did everything besides what he said he did. And he said, I told you we did. I go, oh, no, sir.

You are not going to do that to me. I go, you just give you the definition of hooking up. And now he's saying that he told you. He said I eventually told you that last conversation. Like I'm going to forget our conversation. And I'm like, I literally like I know this freaking movie. Like you're not, you're not going to gaslight me. And I was like, okay, yeah, you don't get this, be on this phone anymore.

Starts calling me. I just sent him links to better help therapy at this point. I, like, would not answer his phone calls. And I just kept setting him list. So I'm like, so I feel bad for the girl. She's freaking out. She feels so bad. Whatever.

And you're always so sweet. And it's when you, oh. New year, new goals. And in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever. I am Matt. And I'm Joel. We are from the how to money podcast. And every week we help you to spend smarter, save more, and make sense of what's going on out there.

If you want 2026 to be the year you finally feel in control of your money, we're here to give you the tools and advice to help you make it happen. Listen to How to Money on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka neurolinguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted.

The biggest mind game of all, NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Every January, we're encouraged to start over. But what if this year is about slowing down and learning how to understand ourselves more deeply? What if this year is about giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding and knowing that it's okay to ask for help? I'm Mike De La Rocha, host of Sacred Lessons. This is a podcast for men navigating stress, emotional health, fatherhood, identity,

and the unspoken pressures were taught to carry alone. We talk honestly about mental health, about healing generational wounds, and about learning how to show up with more presence and care. If you want a healthier relationship with yourself and the people you love, then Sacred Lessons is the podcast for you. Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike Dolorotcha on America's number one podcast network, IHeart. Follow Sacred Lessons with Mike Delocha and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the mailroom podcast.

Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions. Get stronger, work harder, fix, what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter, a psychologist with over 30 years' experience, helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught to name. In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof. why shame hides in plain sight and how real strength comes from listening

to yourself and to others. Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy as in compassion. If you want this to be the year, you stop powering through pain and start understanding what's underneath,

listen to the mailroom on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. As we head into 2026, it's safe to say that 2025 was a year like no other. So much news, so much disruption, and yes, so much division. That's why we're wrapping up this season of next question with a look back at everything that's happened. Things are coming at us with such a velocity. We thought it was important to take a moment, connect the dots, and explore what it all means.

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Then he starts calling me, I won't answer his phone. He goes, I need to see what was sent to you. Still I'll answer. He goes, I'm being serious. So I send him this beautiful gift of a dumpster fire. And I said, the only person you should be calling this morning is your therapist. That was our last communication. I'm just confused because in my head, I'm like, he cared so much.

And so I'm only reading it that way because I don't want it to come as if like I'm just, I'm not going to just give my subjective opinion. He turned this immediately into like a public sign. Yeah. And to me, it sounds like, I mean, from what we talked about going back to the happy couple and the show airing, it's like, what does the audience think? Yeah. And so I, people, I don't, the reason I want to go like so detailed into that is that there should be nothing that gets left on said and sense of like this is actually the interaction. You can take your opinion for what it is. And I can say, yes, it comes as if like you just want to know the information. And it doesn't seem like you're actually concerned about the situation. And. for what it is like and he's more like of that and I just don't want there to be anything that gets like misunderstood about how that is but it is it felt like again validating all the things I thought and so at this point I'm just like so grossed out like I'm just like you're so fake like I can't

he's probably just thinking about like what is Kat about to do publicly and like how do I get my PR team like yeah that's what I'm saying is it's a matter just like I got I need everything that I can And all information that was shared so I can be ahead of this. And like that to me is like, you know, again, respect is like, I think the bottom line here with like what Kat is trying to get across of like, okay, I don't care if this happened, but don't lie to me. So like that's a respect thing. And like in that moment, none, I mean, well, it's always about what Dale needs and what you want.

I want to say almost entirety of the relationship. It's non-existent. Like that doesn't exist. Dale lives with Dale and that's it. Like it's like it felt like again, I was never there. So then I get annoyed and I start being pretty on social media. because I cannot see people be fake. I was like, you're so fake.

And he posted some annoying shit. So I posted something and I posted a comment on it. But he went to press first and told them how we broke up because it was a mutual agreement. That's Rich coming from you comment. Yeah. So he went to press first to clear his image. And that's all you said, it could not be me. I blow that shit up immediately.

Wait, guys, this is the end and then I'm never. Yes. Yes, but listen. This is where I'm going. going to end with because this is what's so crazy. And if there's one thing about me is that if you try to silence me, I'm going to scream louder. I actually wasn't going to make anything public about our breakup. He decided to do that when they reached up. Which is a great thing coming. That's growth coming from gas. I don't care. I literally was just like, I just want to move on with my life.

No, I know. But I'm not. But what you won't do is you're not going to lie about anything about me involved. So when he went to press and said that we broke up because we're better off his friends, would require us to be friends first. An inside joke maybe. He literally, they reached out to me. They said, this is what was happened. Give me a comment. I go, oh, that's actually the story.

Did you tell the full story? I did, to an extent, obviously. Like, I was just like, this is actually the case. And then I received the day before Thanksgiving a cease and desist, a three page, multiple paragraph, harassment, cease and desist. Talk about a harvest. It was insane. It was the most insane thing I've ever.

ever read in my life. And I was like, it was all, it's like you, you don't agree with what my experience is. So you're trying to make me not say it and like sent threatening messages about how you're going to sue me for millions of dollars if I do when guess what? Defamation only works if I was lying. Also, see, this is what? You've said nothing. I've said no. Oh, yeah, he didn't want me to be talking about our guests or relationship. We went on TV together. Like you sign up for a public relationship. I'm allowed to speak my experience in the relationship. Just because you don't agree does not mean that you could just send me legal threats. And the fact that he did is exactly why I'm sitting here today because I will not be okay with somebody trying to quiet me through their own

falsified experience because I actually have proof. And it's not about that. It doesn't need to be messy, but what I, you're not going to like try to make me smaller. And that's how it ended. We have not spoken. I was like sitting with it for so long until this point. it was during the holiday season, first of all. And I was like, there's no way. Like, there's absolutely no way that I just got this in the mail. And it was so mean. Like, it was such a not nice message.

And I was like, so, I was like, what is this? So, yeah. And I, you can send me another one. Sue me. What do I care? Like, I'm allowed to speak on the truth. So, yeah, that's where we're at. And he can take that cease and assist and shove it.

Oh, my God. Right. I don't hold any bad blood. I think he really did try. his best. You have been handling this well too, Kat. You spoke very highly of him for what it's worth. I don't want this to come as if, like, I'm just shitting on his life. I think he's doing the best with what he has. Unfortunately, what he has is absolutely not what I need. And I should not be teaching somebody at 37 how to use I feel statements. Hello, what do we say best? This is not.

We're not. We're not. Nope. Nope. Mm-mm. You're either it or you're not. So we're not. I, I hope he can be, he will be a good partner for somebody who needs something completely different than when I do. Speaking of partners, Kat, give us a little update before we go on your life now. Sure. Yeah, I have been seeing someone. And it's new and it's really cute and like really scary because I actually like it. And he actually likes me too, which is crazy. Usually my type is men that don't like me.

You know what? We're onward and upwards because I'm like, yes, we are. Yeah. No, it happened. Literally like I was so excited to just like not have to worry about like anything. I was excited by my new job. and then he came into my life. And it's just this happens so, like, authentically, like, very emotionally available, like, perfect age.

And he's also a normal. He's, like, not in this space. No, he's a doctor. He's a doctor. Yeah, we nerd out a lot. Am I allowed to say that? He's not in this space? Yeah.

Like, he's, yeah, he's a normal. I want to respect his privacy. But, like, at the same time, like, we share so much in our own, like, worlds where I can, like, I've never been able to date someone that, like, actually understands my world and I get theirs. And we've grown together from that. but I feel like how I've been treated is like I feel like I'm going to be like healed through him in a way. Like he's like teaching me like how to love myself if it keeps going the way that it is. And but it's still early and I'm just like excited but also because it feels so good it's like scary.

And I yeah, I don't know. We'll see. I just it's something that we're still exploring. But overall it's been really nice. And I'm just happy to be done with this chapter. Like we're going to like Dale is deaded Reality TV is deaded. Like we're just going to move on.

Never say never to reality TV. Reality TV dating girl. Okay. Okay. Dating. I'm with. Yeah, I'll go back on TV. I unfortunately am too, too entertaining.

But I will not be dating again on TV because it's just not my. It's never, it's never worked out. And I don't really think if I keep trying it's going to. But overall, I just want to like move on and live life the way we all deserve. Well, Kat, first of all, I just want to say, I'm so happy for. you that you found someone that's making you feel that way I'm so glad that you have like done the work on yourself because I think it truly really does show I need to give you guys all the tips and things I have everything I've liked so much oh my god it's so fun I'm glad you got to say your

peace here and I hope you can feel good about this conversation and having people know because I think you deserve to thank you set your side and all the happiness in the world yeah it was very detailed but we have to when you get cease and assist so there's nothing like it's left but I appreciate you guys give you I love it. We absolutely do have to get detailed. Yeah. I appreciate you guys giving me this space and like validating like my experience. Of course.

We love you. Good to hear. And we're all just like, girlie's just doing our freaking best. Like, let us love. We're trying. And I love this for you guys. Well, for Kat. And Rachel's up next.

Kat's going to teach me. I'm the next one that's going to grow emotionally. It's so fun. I mean, I'm still a basket case. Don't worry. Like I still cry. But we all, we all are. Like, honestly, that's the beauty of life.

It's like we're always evolving. And it's just like. And there's beauty in it. The first step is like obviously accountability and being aware with where we are. And like you go, you grow from that. Like you don't stay in the same spot, not staying stagnant. And like I think obviously we all have witnessed like Kat's journey the past like year and a half, two years, which is in my opinion, I think like a huge testament.

And yeah, it's fun and crazy. But there's a lot of beauty. There is. Yeah. And we're excited for your next journey. We really are. I'm excited for your guys next journey. I love that you guys are the new house.

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