Bachelor Happy Hour - Exclusive: Rodney Tells All!

Episode Date: December 7, 2021

This week, Rodney, the apple of Bachelor Nation’s eye, stops by “Bachelor Happy Hour” to chat with Becca and Tayshia about the “Men Tell All” and his journey on “The Bachelorette.”  It is all love in this chat with Rodney! He shares his reaction to everything that went down at the tell all, why he considered himself the underdog, and how it felt making history in Michelle’s final four.  Plus, a very special guest makes a surprise appearance to give listeners insight into what makes Rodney the man he is. The girls also pick Rodney’s brain about whether he’ll head to “Paradise” next summer.  Then, Tayshia addresses where she’s at after her breakup with Zac, and Rodney reveals his thoughts on the men of Michelle’s season in a game of Bachelorette Superlatives.  “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelorette” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning.  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.  See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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because Mental is always one of my favorite episodes. There was so much that we have to recap, and I just cannot wait to get into it with you because we were both there. Yeah, we were both there, and it did not disappoint, But also, we have our favorite man here with us today to talk a little bit more about mental all and really give us, I don't know, his feelings. Because I know he has a lot to say because so much went down and he was just remaining so quiet on that stage.

So I want to deep dive and get his true honest thoughts on whatever, what all went down. And if you can't guess from just how much Tatea already raved about this man, it is indeed Rodney himself, the apple of our eye. um he as you said he remained so steady so calm just a class act through and through and which i actually love because we've seen him throughout the entire season and we've heard from most of the men who've been on the podcast about how fun he is he always gets the party started but there's so many more sides to him and that's why i'm so excited to have him on you know we also fell in love with his mom during hometown so i can't wait to pick his brain and get to know who she is

who raised this incredible man a little bit more. Before we get into all of that, though, I have to say two things. First of all, you and Caitlin crushed it once again. And now actually being backstage and watching what all goes into it, you both did such an incredible job. You were poised in the midst of all of this chaos with, you know, 12 to 15 men trying to scream over one another.

I can't imagine how you two felt on stage trying to hold down the fore. but I commend you both so much. You both look stunning, incredible. Of course, Michelle did as well. But it wasn't, you know, a totally easy, breezy night. You did have a moment where you shared some very important news with us. So not even as a co-host, but more as a friend. I want to check in with you.

I want you to know that you have so much love and support behind you. But we just want to check in with you and see how you're doing. Well, thank you for all that. I really appreciate it. I am definitely hanging in there. That day was really tough for me because that's actually like the day that the news kind of broke to everyone. So it was just very heavy, but I had a job to do at the same time. And so I'm really happy I was able to be surrounded by all of you guys and be supported by that.

But it doesn't make any of that easier. But I really said all I had to say on that stage. I don't really have anything to add to it just because I'm still going through it all. And yeah, I spoke my piece. And one day when I feel like I have more to say, I'm sure we can talk about it all. And I would please ask everyone to just give you time and patience and the space to heal from this. You know, I understand going through a very public breakup. Breakups are never easy in general.

But when you're in such a public platform and everyone's comments and criticisms and opinions and words get you. and it just makes it that much harder. So everyone listening, please give Tasha some support, throw a prayer her way, and just know that you have so much love behind you, so much support. We're wishing you both the best. And, you know, it's life. These things happen. And hopefully, you know, you can learn and grow and move on from that.

But I'm glad that you were able to just say it and leave it out. And now, you know, do whatever Tasha needs to do to move on and heal from this. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah. So let's get into the good juicy stuff, shall we? I need to know. Yes.

Obviously, fresh out the gate, the fight with the pizza takes place, and we're reading Yelp reviews, and Will and Peter are just going at it. I need to know from you, though, because you tried it. How good was the pizza actually? It was actually decent. It didn't really taste like pool water to me. So I think the person that I'm concerned for the person that did taste it and said it tastes like pool water, because that's interesting that you know that. But in your honest opinion, do you think those Yelp reviews were created after Will had tweeted or posted or whatever he did put out in the universe about Peter's pizza business?

Absolutely. Absolutely. And what I have to say about that is, number one, look, yes, we're on a TV show. Yes, we don't always have to get along with people. But at the end of the day, when the cameras are off, we go home back to our lives. It's their family business. If you really have to stoop that low to be doing all of that, like, that says more about you than the TV show or the drama that took place. Like, that was, it's just really low.

So if you can go to bed at night knowing that that happened. more power to you because there's no way in hell I could ever do that to someone's family business but at the end of the day like come on how could they not be related to that situation yeah I mean just especially the last day review that was read yeah yeah I agree I felt it's like it's one thing to get mad at somebody and argue and not see eye to eye yeah that aside like do not bring somebody's business into it and as Peter said which I fully support him where he's like I support my family I support Other people's families, like this is what puts food, no pun intended, what puts food on the table.

And so that aside, like the business should have remained separate, I believe. But we did at the very end see Will and Peter hug it out, which was good. I know. I was shocked. But I think at the same time, they kind of realized through that stupid catiness that they had that it was really so dumb why they were fighting. Oh, yeah. Totally. In the grand scheme, like, what the hell are they fighting about? But they just were so heated. I think they just had to keep going. You know what I mean?

It's kind of like when like you're fighting with your boyfriend and you're like, what are you been fighting about again? So they kind of had like a little. Yeah. But I think maybe helped was you bring Jamie onto stage a little later. Oh gosh. I think. Sorry.

I didn't mean to do that that loud. Oh, my God. No, I actually love it because you and Galen, even on stage, would make audible comments like that when Jamie, because. I said this last week, Jamie talked for probably four out of the eight hours on stage. Absolutely. Ab, and made no offense, but no sense. He wouldn't answer any questions. No. He was so indirect with everything. It was just, it was so much, it just seems fake. Like, he just, everything he was saying. That's why thank God when Michelle came out, she kind of called him out and kept him in his place and was just like, just answer the question, dude. Like, I think she's dealt with it for so long, and I think she definitely fell for it in the beginning.

Like, you know, I'm sure even all the guys did. They even admitted that. And, like, so many people have. And then I think watching it back is such like a revelation at times to be like, how did I not see it when it's right in front of me? But she had zero patience for the man anymore. Another man she didn't have much patience for was Mr. Martin himself, who, apparently we saw allegations

that he had a girlfriend before he came on he was dating her then broke up with her to come on the show and then I was dating her again I don't truly know sounds so messy I'm glad she was able to confront

him though because I actually talked with her backstage before going on and obviously at that point she had just seen his exit interview in the van where he said terrible things so I'm glad that she was able to get that off of her chest And we saw her again, take the high road.

Like she always says, she took the high road. She accepted his apology. You know what? And I think now with most of these men, she can just brush her hands clean and say good riddance. Yeah. I think it just, like, goes to show, I don't know, maybe just, like, trusting your gut intuition in this situation. I feel like she definitely did that. And then when you see things play out, I guess I could just kind of said this essentially watching it back at such revelation.

But like, you could only put an act on for so. long okay and then when you literally see him going in the car two seconds after the fact that he was with her and saying what did he say he was like i don't have time for her i would never i would give her a second chance or something like that a second shot sir you're lucky you got shot number one well and it's like why would you think you would even get a second chance after everything that you said and did i don't understand that it i don't know i don't know i don't know between like the The pizza drama and Martin and Jamie, overall, it was very refreshing to see all of the other men have nothing but wonderful things, positive things to say about her.

It just goes to show why she was chosen for this role. And I think how highly the men still speak of her to this day. Absolutely. I think the one thing I do have to commend her on, I love, I love, love, love. And we've seen it all season. but she allows the man to have their space in communicating how they feel. And then she acknowledges it and speaks her peace. Like she doesn't cut them off.

She doesn't say, well, you're wrong. She doesn't say, like just shut them down immediately. She asks a question, gives them their space. And they just kind of dig their own grave in a way. Or they could enlighten her. But for the most part, she kind of already knows, like, the answer. But she's just giving you that opportunity to pop us, possibly apologize. I think some of these guys that we keep harping on are realizing

where they went wrong. It's all being shown to the public now. And also, let's be honest, it's a Bachelor in Paradise edition for a lot of these men. So they have, wait, can we talk about who's going to Paradise, you think? Oh, yeah. Okay. Who? I really want Ronnie to be there because, wait, no, I think his, His soul's too good for it. But Tisha, I will say this. Usually, in any other scenario, I would say, save him. He's too pure.

But now going on and doing a Paradise season after being on The Bachelor and as Bachelorette, it was so worth it. So much more fun filming that than anything. And I can speak to my experience that it works. I mean, obviously we talk about how it works on the show. Right, right, right. So I would want to see what women are going to, because if there's somebody suitable for her baby Rodney, then I will support him. But if not, maybe we just might have to send him up with some eligible women in our own lives.

You're right. And I don't, I think I was like a stab to myself, honestly. I said his soul's two peer. I've gone on it. But also, I didn't think about us, Tasha. I just, I guess I meant, like, for me, it also was, like, a very, like, heavy and, like, kind of like a whip blast situation at first. So I think, like, it's tough to navigate. And there's, like, it's a dumpster fire. But there were a lot of positive couples to, like, come out of paradise. So that might be a better environment for him. So maybe.

Yeah. Yeah. And who know. And I think there's something to be said where instead of, you know, the contestants going in and just solely focused, lasered in on one person. It's co-ed. It's even. It's, there's a much bigger playing field of people that you can meet and really hit it off with. And maybe it's just the mindset that I went in because I was so like not expecting anything. And I was like, I'm just going to have a fun summer. I think that truly allowed me to just like be much more relaxed in that scenario

while filming. Absolutely. I'm trying to think, I want to see Rick in Paradise. I don't know though, here's a thing. Sometimes I think Rick might be too mature for Paradise. I don't know if he would fully enjoy it. But I just am thinking about guys that I really want to find a partner.

Who would be funny? Peter and Will will definitely both be there. Hands down. I think Chris S will definitely be there. I hope Olu is. He would be a hot commodity. Olu. He's a good one. who else i'm sure the last jamie i'm sure the last martin well martin has a girlfriend but maybe

maybe he'll break up with her before paradise you know take a take a month off and then get back with her who knows oh god take a month off jesus i really hope not i don't know oh yeah it'll be interesting to see i mean and we still have i mean we have no idea who will even be on oh wait one case we have to talking about Casey because he got a lot of screen time last night. Casey was, I will tell you this. When we were filming, I never heard a word come out of Casey's mouth. Last night, well, the other night when we filmed, you know, watching the episode back, he talked so much.

And he had a lot of opinions. I was very shocked. I was very surprised. But he seemed like a good guy. He talked a lot, but not in a bad way. everything that he said, I was like, yeah, you tell it, Casey, call it out. When he called Jamie and he, let me say, he's like, you can't answer a question directly. You just keep talking in paragraphs and parables.

Yeah, I like Casey. It's so true, though. You're like, thank God someone said it because that's exactly what I was thinking. But he definitely kept everybody like in line and in check. And also there was a moment was he not tearing up. I think Rick was talking about Michelle and it may it have been like during his exit and Rick started tearing up. And then I think Casey started tearing up for his friend. And I was like, oh, I like this man.

I know. They're all very supportive. But he's definitely someone that I think that a lot of the guys really liked. And, yeah. Yeah. I would like to see more of him. I will say. I think he'd be really fun on Paradise, actually.

Yes, I agree. One more thing before we bring Rodney on, this is going to be a shameless plug. But Bachelor Live on Stage, I talked about it briefly last night. Bachelor Live on Stage is coming back. And I know so many people out there, I'll get DMs and they're like, what is this? I don't understand the concept.

We, Ben Higgins and I had a quick stint pre-COVID, which obviously was shut down because of the pandemic, but it's such a fun night. It's a live on stage show. There's dancing. There's music. I've been. It's been, it was so fun. So many guest appearances.

We will be having some, as I mentioned, Bachelor alumni on stage hosting with me, making appearances but it really is the best way like this is a show that we've watched and we love and you know there's like the same kind of format each season right there's the dates you always have hometowns fantasy suites the rose ceremonies you name it those major moments those big ticket moments for the actual show will be on our stage so we really try to recreate the limo entrances the mansion um different group dates it's just so fun and again like the most immersive way to feel like you're part of the actual show in a two-hour theater show. And so if anyone wants to go and buy tickets, we're coming to 40 cities. We'll be

running March through May. You can do so on Bachelor Live onstage.com. Get your tickets. Come see me. Tasha, I'm going to get you on stage with me at some point. Hopefully along the way. I'll come say hi. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's so much fun. We had such a blast. and a lot of the folks that we talked to that came and saw the first round, it's going to be slightly different. But they just loved it too. It was just a really fun time. So if you want to get away for a couple hours, I know this pandemic and having shows and concerts and the theater shut down for so long. It's just going to be such a fun way to get back and feel like, no, we're back in the arts world again, people. Not that I would say it's a artsy by any means. But I have to say, it was actually

really, really, really good. It blew me away with how, I don't know, because the people are, it's not scripted and the people kind of do whatever they want to do. My jaw was on the floor sometimes. I was laughing so hard at times. It was just so entertaining to watch. Yeah, you never know what's going to happen. It's very immersive. So it's really cool. You never know. I digress. I don't think you want to keep listening to me talk. So Tisha, I think it's time we just bring the apple of our eye on to Bachelor Happy Hour. Is it that time? Let's bring in Mr. Rodney.

Rodney, we are so excited. Oh my gosh, I feel like I'm fan-cirling right now. Get it together. You have been not only such a fan favorite, but a personal favorite of us at Bachelor Happy Hour. We've been dying to get you on here. And so welcome. How the hell have you been?

Thank you. thank you so much that means a lot i've been i've been doing really well um it's definitely been a whirlwind and a roller coaster ever since ever since i was off the show you know i mean you ladies understand how it goes but uh yeah i'm just i'm kind of grateful for it all so much love and support and so uh yeah i'm ready to really kind of move past that phase and just move on to the next chapter of my life so i'm really um really happy and doing really well good you know rodney i have to say I thought about you the other day and not because of mental all I was actually at the farmer's market and there was about 20 different types of apples and I was like I should take a

picture and send this to Rodney to just so you can like expand your vocabulary when it comes to apples because I have to say I don't think this is ever going to leave you um I think you should put an apple next to your name on your Instagram I think that should be your emoji of choice at all times yeah i just thought of you i was like i've i've received so many people sending me charts of all different types of apples and names and all i can say is thank you so much i know my knowledge is zero and obviously that was exposed for the world to see but yeah i would appreciate that tachia thank you you know oh for all of our listeners right before we started recording i told rodney that i was pissed that he didn't show up in his

his Apple costume. I really, you know, Rodney, if anyone was going to show up on a podcast in a costume, I pegged you to be the one to do it. Unfortunately, you know, this is the one time I'll ever let you let me down. But I want to go back. So you just mentioned, you know, life obviously has changed since you left for filming. Now it's airing. What's been like, would you say the biggest change for you right now? Is it like being recognized? Is it women sliding like crazy into the DMs? What would you say it is? Yeah, probably just a little bit of both. I'd say, you know, starting off earlier in the show kind of like week one, week too. I was still never, ever getting noticed, which is great. You know, I wasn't really worried too much about that. You know, I'd walk around

Target. Everything would be cool. I'm good to go. And then after, especially after the one-on-one in week three, that's when I started noticing a difference in terms of being noticed and people coming up saying, hey, you know, I'm a fan. I love seeing your story and your journey on there. And all I say is thank you. I'm just, you know, not used to that at all. So that's been a really major blessing and an honor for me. I have to say, I'm glad you're getting a lot of positive responses because we were all very sad to see you go home. But we were so incredibly happy and proud.

for you to be a part of a historic top four that's never happened before, long overdue, absolutely, but having a top four of all men of color is incredible. And you guys are actually all amazing individuals, so that's an even bigger plus, you know what I mean? But how does that feel to be a part of that history? That was truly, truly amazing.

I just remember obviously my heart was racing that night so in that night in that moment obviously I wasn't thinking about it too much and then once I kind of understood the gravity of that situation yeah um it was it was really something that that meant a lot to me and for us for us for um and Michelle as well for us to kind of talk about that and just us being a part of history with the with the bachelor nation franchise is really something that's so special to me something I hold near and dear to my heart of being a part of that and like you said tasha i mean the caliber of guys in that room i'm just so honored and you know each each and every one of them i'm so blessed to know them and even be uh in the same category with guys like that we were just

so uh honored and happy to be there together and obviously you know we're all fighting for michel's heart and i'm just it just shows how amazing michel is too to have a final four like that You know, no drama or anything like that. We were just all so close and connected, but we understood, we understood each other's connections with Michelle. So we're just grateful for that moment. And I can't tell you how proud and happy I was to be a part of that. Are you still pretty close with the top four at this point? I mean, the other three, I should say.

Yes. Yes, I am. So I do talk to them fairly often. I mean, Nate was my roommate throughout the entire process. So Nate and I talk every day still, which is funny. Yeah, I mean, we actually, yeah, we just got off a call about an hour ago. But, yeah, Nate and I still talk every day. I usually like to reach out to Joe once a week, Brandon, once a week, you know, just try to see where they're at and how we're all kind of coping with the process,

the end of the journey, and where our lives kind of stand now. So just kind of doing as many check-ins as I can, making sure that we all stay connected. Because it was a very special moment and chapter in our lives. Yeah. Oh, of course. Which leads me to, you know, we're talking about the end right now. Let's take it back to the beginning because you are somebody who, the men have raved about you. Like, every man that we've had on this podcast says Rodney is the one to get the party started.

He's just funny. and in the best spirits, and you have this fun side to you, but then you also seem so calm, cool, collected, level-headed. Yeah, very well-rounded. So how the heck did you get on The Bachelorette? Did you sign up? Did somebody apply you to be on the show? How did that all work out?

One of my best friends and his wife nominated me, and then a casting producer reached out to me and said, hey, I think it would be perfect for this new upcoming season of The Bachelorette. And I was like, what? I don't, it just, it kind of happened so quickly. And I was just kind of shocked about it. I remember when they first called me and told me, I was like, oh, you guys are crazy. Like, there's no way I could be on that show. Like, what is it?

Why would I? There's no way. It's just insane. But obviously, here I am now. You know, I was thankful for it all. And, yeah, I just took that one nomination. How do you seen the show before or did you watch Matt C, into where Michelle was on it.

Did you know anything about her? Did you kind of just learn about her after finding out it was going to be her? Yeah, I definitely learned about her after the fact. So, you know, I was like, Michelle, who is this? I had to go figure out, try to do my own little research, you know, go on YouTube, see clips of her and Matt James season. And then also, obviously, her IG. I was like, who is this woman?

Let me see who my friends think would be a good match for me and stuff. and if I could be a good match for her. That was kind of my own little research on the side. And then once I officially found out that I was on, that I made it and I was on the show, I watched a couple episodes of Katie season while I was packing just to see like, okay, so what am I getting myself into? And then, yeah, you know, I see some wild stuff.

I see a cat costume and I was like, oh my gosh, this is what I'm about to do. And, you know, mom, she kept it real with me. She's like, hey, you know, two rules like, bring Michelle back home and no costumes. I was like, oh, no costumes. That's so easy, like, no costumes. Of course, I wouldn't wear a costume. And then, yeah, switched up last minute. I was like, okay, well, I want to stand out and this would be the best way possible.

So, yeah, that's kind of how the journey started. Wait, what did she say? Watching you kind of limit with a costume, I'm dying. That's funny because Michelle, So when, okay, so for hometowns, Michelle and I told her firsthand, but I think moms were so caught up in the excitement. She, I don't even think it went in one ear and out the other. And I was like, hey, Ma, like, to get to the point where I'm at with Michelle, it took me a lot. I just need to understand.

I had to break some rules to get here. And so I think she's just like, yeah, yeah, great, great. And then. Yeah, afterwards when the episode airs. and the promos come out she's like wait a minute you were serious like you wore an apple

mom sorry like you know I had to stand out I had to stand out but then you're like mom it gets worse I didn't just wear a costume I was full on naked on my first date with this woman when she first found out

because once again that night me and Michelle told her and she was just like yeah yeah great great glad to see you and then the truth comes out and she sees the promo She's like, Rodney, what? And I'm like, oh, no.

I was like, Ma, do you disown me? Like, I can't have this. You disown me. You wrote two rules. It was that, like, you know, the third rule of not being naked, like, that should go without saying. Right. Rodney's not going to be naked. No.

And then you put me in there. It's like, I'm going all in for Michelle. It's like, oh, that was crazy. Too good. Oh, too good. I really trusted Tasha before that night. And after that night, I was really hurt. I don't know they broke my trust that night

Yeah, honestly the best part is that you didn't realize That we were upstairs and we could see you We kept screaming your name, but you were blocked out, I'm sure And then all of a sudden you look up and you're like, no Because like your butt was right there, no We were like It was so good How were you actually making for?

Oh my God, it was a good, it was probably a good five minutes It was the worst five minutes of my life. It was, but yeah, Tricia's not lying, because I was just so blacked out and in the zone and just trying to get through the moment. I was like, oh, I can't forget this is happening. And then I see my boys all the way up, like, boys and just shout out, like, go, Rod.

I look up, that was like my five seconds. I hope it's like, I could get through this. I can get through this. And then I finished the run. And then cameras all zoomed in. I was like, hey, please leave it. Please leave it. Like stuff.

and then at the end of it all I see Tasia and Caitlin just busting up laughing I was like I trusted you like I was you saw all that we're like yeah you pretty much stood in front it was funny I love it hilarious I was like

I don't get a roast tonight there's nothing more I could do there's nothing more hey balls to the walls baby balls to the walls I will say like if I was in your position I'd be kind of pissed because like you see all these extravagant dates with

concerts and hot air balloons and fireworks and then they're just like Rodney stripped down you're running naked tonight actually you're doing some naked cardio have fun everyone else was so classy and cool and then I get to run around naked I'm just like

oh my God my mom's gonna kill you were honestly the best guy to be on that date and I think she picked you because she knew you were you were just gonna have fun with it there's some guys or anyone who would be like nope I'm not doing that I don't feel comfortable

and just, like, really shut down, and you just owned it. And it was so much fun as if you were to watch. I always love when people get black boxed. It's one of my favorite things of the show. With her planning those one-on-ones, I thought it was just so perfectly planned for each person. Yeah, it was great. She's so attentive.

Yes. She really picked each guy for each date, and I think, like, wanted you all to feel comfortable, even if it's a very uncomfortable situation. And, you know, it's all in good fun, Rodney. We were laughing with you, not at you. Oh, the name of love. Oh, my goodness.

Let's get into that date, though, because it wasn't all lighthearted. We obviously saw you guys sit down and get a little bit deeper. And in that moment, you had expressed to her that you felt like you were the underdog. And for me, just not only watching you, but now getting to know you, how the heck could you ever feel like you were the underdog? I don't get that. I don't understand. No, that's definitely a good. great question. That sentiment and that feeling was definitely towards the start of the process.

So in the first two to three weeks, I definitely kind of had that feeling. I have very high self-awareness now. I definitely have confidence. I want to make sure I made that known. So a lot of my ITMs, I would still talk about, hey, I have a humble confidence. You know, I've never been cocky in my life, but I definitely have a humble confidence. And I do have self-awareness, and I know where I stand, and I know what I bring to the table. And that's kind of more so what I meant. So, you know, night one when I'm walking down the stairs on an apple and, you know, I get downstairs, everyone's sitting on the couch. I was like, okay, I got this. I got this. And then I see everyone stand up from the couch. And I'm like, oh, oh, wait a minute. Like, okay, hi, I'm

Rodney. Hi, I'm Rodney. Hi, I'm Rodney. It was just, you know, everyone there. These guys were amazing. Like, you see these guys like tall, perfect skin, like just cool, calm collected. And I was like, okay, I know that I'm different. I'm proud to be different. And I'm going to show that. And more importantly, I'm going to show Michelle what I bring to the table and what makes me different, what makes me unique, and how I can stand out in this situation and this crazy experience. So I'm so glad that that message finally did come across. And at first, when I started off in the house, I did make it clear to her. I said, hey, you know, I do feel kind of like an underdog, but I'm proud of that. I'm fine with that. And I know where I stand. And I'm ready for that challenge. And especially

me being a former athlete I kind of just took that head on and you know growing up to the locker rooms playing football like I was always ready for that moment in my entire life I always was and you know I would try to find my ways to stand out and start and and be ready for the challenge and so I kind of took that mentality into this setting which is kind of crazy because it's like I'm not on a football field competing for a game I'm in here competing for love and so it's completely different but I still kind of kept that same mind I guess I couldn't help it just because that is so much of my personality and my persona growing up. But towards the end of it all, especially kind of speaking more towards that I'm

with confidence, Michelle and I both made it clear to each other, like, we started off as that. And now, if you look at us now, I don't know if you want to call it lay bloomers, underdogs, whatever it may be, we're really proud of looking back to where we started in our lives, to where we are now. And I'm so proud of her and seeing her journey unfold firsthand and me being a part of that. then also her being part of like my story and my growth. And that's something that's just really exciting for me. So yeah, I definitely felt like I started as an underdog, but no matter what, whether I kept that title or not,

I'm very proud of myself and happy of who I am, who I've become. And yeah, I definitely don't really see myself as an underdog anymore. But I'm very proud of where I'm at. I love that so much. And I will say, as you might not be the tallest in the room, but I think your personality is definitely the biggest and makes me just as tall as everybody else. so you know what I mean I feel like yeah I love that you have that humble confidence but I want to know exactly where that comes from I know obviously we've talked about your mom and we got to meet her during your hometown we love your mom by the way obsessed with your mother love her so much maybe more than you I'm just kidding I've gotten that which is okay but tell me about that like was she the one that really always instilled that confidence in you and really nurtured that yes my Most definitely.

I know I kind of briefly touched on that in the show and during the season of where I come from, my family dynamic and kind of growing up with a single mom and why we are so close. And so for her to be both mom and dad, yes, she had to be very nurturing, but at the same time, she understood she's got to be the one to instill that confidence in me. So we all were student athletes in my family. And so we were very proud of that and wanted to make sure that those steps. kind of helped me to get to where I am in life now in terms of growing that confidence. And, you know, whether it's, or we were just at my nephew's football game yesterday, and she's still yelling in the stand. So she would always make sure, like, after games, post game, pregame, whatever it may be.

Like, she's like, know who you are, be ready to play and get out there, let's go. And so she really did help me kind of make sure that I still had that confidence. And I was really ready for any situation in life, you know, on and off the football field. And I think kind of growing up with those values of, yes, she was very nurturing, but at the same time, she was very strict on making sure, hey, you are confident, know who you are. You guys are my sons. Be ready for the real world. And this is how you're going to live your life. And so her instilling those values in me really had me kind of prepared for this situation, which we all know is so crazy. But a lot of the guys, they would show up night one, night two. And they didn't really know what to do, how to act, or really kind of just, nervous into themselves. And I said, hey, just be you, be who you are. And I do owe that to my mom and just saying, hey, like, I don't care what anyone says or what the world says about you, like, be Rodney Matthews and you will be fine. And that really did help me get to where I am now. Well, speaking of being prepared for any situation, I have to be this person because I love your mother

so much that I know it's a weekday, but I'm thinking we need to get her on happy hour for a Double minutes. Can we make this happen? Can we FaceTime her? Yeah. Let's FaceTime Mom. Oh, this is wild. Okay, she's probably kind of busy, but yeah. I understand. You know, we, work comes first. Podcasts comes second. I love it. Let's just try. Let's just try her.

Did your mom ever think that she isn't going to be just meeting Michelle, but she's going to meet two other women as well? Hello, hello, you're big a fan. She's part of the Bachelor fam now. She's stuck with us. Now's the time. Okay, ladies, you got me nervous for this. Okay. Let's see how this goes.

Yeah, I would be nervous if I were you. We have some questions. Oh, we got good questions, though. He's like, please don't answer. Please don't answer. Yeah, I know. I'm like, okay, cool. Just hang up on this one.

Oh, my goodness. Hey, Ma. Mom! Mom, I got a couple of people that I want you to meet. Okay, sounds like a plan. All right. Here is Tasia and Becca. Ma, can you please say hi? Can you ladies see her?

Hi, Mom. Hi. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. I bet you didn't think you were going to be on a podcast this morning, huh? Can I call you mom? Everybody calls me moms. Go for me. Mom, I love it.

We have been raving about how much we love your son, but we also fell in love with you during hometowns. You've raised such an incredible child. So I want to just pick your brain. Rodney told us, before leaving for the show, you said no costumes and to bring Michelle home. He broke your first rule. Obviously, he showed up in the Apple costume. What is any other advice that you gave him before he left? Oh, that's a great question.

Believe it or not, it was very short and sweet. And I told him to just be yourself and everything would go from there. Oh. We love that. He was just saying that, too. It's really you that has instilled that confidence to just be himself and really embrace that. And I think that that's what's taking him so far in life thus far. But are you proud of watching him on?

the show. I know there have been a little bit of suggested moments that maybe maybe he could have avoided, possibly, but he was doing it all for love. So are you proud? What a great description, suggestive.

It was actually mortified ladies but we've gotten through that together. I survived. I'm still here. so is she I'm dying I know

however you know you guys I am so very proud of him and we were both very excited for him to go

on this journey and like I said before I just told him to be himself but as you guys can clearly see and I'm so glad that the world knows now

Robbie is extremely genuine and what you see is what you get and I can be more proud. I have such a big heart for everybody that has the courage to go on shows like these and the courage to be open and be vulnerable. And just to try and find love, as you guys know, it's quite a task.

And so I'm proud of all of the gentlemen, but mostly proud of Ryan. I'm so happy we are able to talk to you now because your love radiated through the TV screen when you were on hometowns and it is doing the same now. And one thing that I appreciate about you is you have so much love and care and respect for your son. But you also were very real and you were very logical in the process and at that point knowing he was still one of four men, for Michelle's heart. And I can only imagine as a mother what that would feel like. Of course, you want the best for your son and you want him to find love. So if you had to give advice to any other mothers or parents out there who are watching

their children go through something similar, what would that advice be for them? Well, I don't know if I'd share it with you, but we are very faith-based and very connected and strong in my faith. For us, it was a lot of prayer, but I can also tell you that, you know, being a parent at any age is quite a difficult task, but it's also an amazing feeling. However, you know, with having adult children, you need to let go at some point and really let them make the best choices. Because if you've been doing a good job so far, they're going to be able to be able to be able to make. able to make sound and informed decisions. And so I just know that as adults, you can only do your best when they're younger. And then you need to let them fly. And so you need to let them be

able to go do their thing, hopefully make good choices, and give them the best advice as possible, but always make sure that they understand how much they've learned and supported no matter what their choices may be. Wow, you remind me so much of my mom. I was just going to say all of this. We even have a mom's reunion one day out in California. Seriously, I really feel like, I come from a huge faith-based family too. And all of this just resonates with me. It was just like praying and just like letting them spread their wings. Like you've done your job at this point. Like I think that's something that my mom said as well is just like she knows that she did the best that she could. and she has full confidence that I will continue that on,

which is why you only can be proud. But I want to know, what is the advice you have for any lucky woman that gets to snag Rodney's heart one day? Oh, my goodness. That's quite a challenging question. She's like, full force on a Monday. Wow. Full force on a Monday.

I do. I love it. I love it. Guns of blazing. I would just say, you know, love is genuine love needs to be reciprocated. And the respect, honesty, and love that they have for one another is the most important thing. And I'm always telling right now to be genuine

and to be honest and respectful. and I know that he is going to need that in return. And it's just such important qualities in relationships. But he loves and loves hard. And my prayer is that he will find somebody to do the same for him. Are you trying to make me cry? I'm really confused. All I have to say is whoever gets Rodney,

not only gets a great man, but a great future mother-in-law is, well. So she will be one lucky woman. All right. To be a part of you. We know that you are so busy. I just, I don't even have a question for you, moms. This actually goes to Rodney, but I think it's going to be important for you to hear just because I know I can only imagine how much Rodney loves you. So he had mentioned that he had described you as a Wonder Woman. So Rodney, can you explain that a little bit further? Because I feel like moms don't always hear how great they are enough. Yeah. Yeah, most definitely.

know her and I have a lot of talks about this, but, you know, I, I grew up my entire life loving superheroes. And so I was very big on, like, superhero movies and comics and stuff growing up, you know, so I remember asking my mom very young, you know, mom, what's your favorite superhero? She always said, Wonder Woman. And I just thought that resonated with me so quickly because I was like, oh, okay, that's amazing. That's perfect because, like, you're my Wonder Woman, Mom. And so that was kind of like a special moment we had growing up. and seeing the movies and the comics today and stuff like that. But I think that's always what made it so special for me

is because we started together and I saw the struggle very early on of her working through jobs to support me and my brother and make sure that we have food on the table to seeing the successful woman that she is now, all the lives that she impacts on a daily basis, and especially in our community with our foster youth and starting her own nonprofit

and starting mental health awareness, and it's been a very big deal for us. And so to see her pave the way in our community has been very influential for me, because now especially, you know, bragging about moms all the time, I post about her all the time. But, you know, she just won an award out here for being the number one entrepreneur for the nonprofit sector in our community. Wow. And then we just celebrated our first annual Christmas gala.

So, you know, each and every day, she's striving to become the best version of herself that she could be. And so she's really instilled that into me as well. And it's just been very exciting to kind of see her journey as well, starting from where we started from to the successful woman she is now in impacting the lives that she does. So she really paved the way. And I really want to continue that legacy of really, obviously, in my world, kind of making people laugh and smile, but also showing and spreading genuine, true, pure love. enjoy each and every day. So that's something that's really big for it.

Well, congrats on winning that award. Congrats, Mom. It could not have gone to a more deserving woman. Truthfully. Thank you. Just hearing him speak like that really does bring joy party. Tears to my eyes, lady. Thank you for asking that question.

It is amazing to hear that. Thank you. Well, thank you for being such a supportive and strong mom and father and Roddy's life because you've made an amazing son. so Ronnie's got big shoes to fill absolutely all right well we'll let you go it was so good to meet you got to go to work take care thank you see you later oh my gosh I didn't think I was going to get teary eye today and look what she made me do I'm not going to like I love don't be sorry I love your mom in fact you can actually go back to

work. We'll just have your mom come back on, actually. I knew. It's all the time. People are like, I actually just want to see your mom on TV. I don't want to see you. You're cool, but. Rodney, I got to say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I knew it was covered. I knew it was covered. I was a really good one, Becca. I feel so clever right now. Okay. Thank you for sharing her with us. Honestly, that I love special moments like that where, you know, you don't quite expect it to happen. You know, we weren't planning on calling your mom today, but I'm so glad she was able to join us. What a treat she is. I love her. She seems so sweet. Okay, okay. Enough with the tears. We don't need to get all sappy and

emotional. Seriously. I was not expecting that. I know. That was wonderful. But let's get into some of the juicy stuff from men till all because, I mean, you lived it. What was the atmosphere like when you were sitting amongst all these men? Because, again, you were so cool, calm collected as the men were going back and forth and just, it was like this petty drama fights between a lot of them. What was the atmosphere like in that room? Oh, my gosh. It was just so, so wild, so tense. To be honest, like, I didn't know what to expect from mental. I don't know why I thought it would be a little bit more calm, but it wasn't. Ours was just, it was just nonstop, just a lot of, a lot of like bickering, arguing, stuff like that. And obviously, as you know,

as you've seen, I really stay out of drama all the time. So for me to kind of sit right there next to it and just kind of be involved with the entire time, I was like, guys, guys, we got to move on. And I would literally check to see Caitlin and Tasha and just see their Facebook expression and what we're all going through because I know when we're thinking the same thing I'm like oh can you please just move on and um I would I would check to see them they'll be like yeah we need to move on and I would try to be the guy that would turn back and like Peter will we got to stop arguing our guys we got to stop arguing let's move on to the next section because this is way too much so yeah honestly it was just a really it was a really long night um much more crazier than I

ever expected it to be um and you know just a lot of shots taking a lot of shots taking a lot of It sounds fired that night. Crazy. I like to stay out of it. It's just more interesting. Which I think is the smart road to take. Yeah, I agree. Especially with all that.

I mean, they were honestly running around in circles, and it was, it was a lot to listen to. But who are you most looking forward to hearing from that night? Because I feel like watching it back, you definitely kind of grow some, you have some opinions. And you see a lot of things that you didn't see it in front of. so who did you want to hear from um wow that's a great question i was honestly really excited to to really see everybody just to reconnect and kind of have that reunion but also at the same time i know i was looking forward to a to an apology from i'd probably have to say jamie um because you know at first a lot of guys in the house did look up to him and i i only had a

couple conversations with him starting off but i thought the exact same thing everyone else did because he is a really smart intelligent guy yeah and um you know i think deep down he he has the ability to to be a great guy i think he just made so many mistakes and i i really disagree with what he did on the show and what he said and how it how it sat with me and so um you know i really had to let him know and tell him straight up and it sucks because it was actually towards the end of the night and i don't know if you remember take should but i do starting off yeah starting off Jamie wasn't really showing the remorse we needed him to show. And towards the end of the night, I think he sat right next to me and he looked at me.

He's like, do you understand what I'm saying? I said, honestly, I'm really trying to, but I can't. And I think I could speak for everyone else when I'm saying, I can't understand what you're saying because I'm not hearing the genuine apology that I need you to tell us. You not only disrespected us as men, but you disrespected Michelle and her time. and I really need you to feel for that because that one hurt me and it takes a lot to actually hurt me

and cut me deep and I feel for the men and more importantly I feel for Michelle who we're all here for. And so I need you to give us that apology, show us some remorse and show us that you actually mean it so we could just move on with the night. And so, you know, it was obviously

maybe too little too late but he finally ended up giving us that apology that we needed and I'm glad that Michelle once again kind of noticed that, recognized, and say, hey, you know, I thank you for the apology. However, actions do speak louder than words. So I hope you continue to grow past this show. So, yeah, that was really one thing I was looking forward to. I think, like, it maybe affected him differently because, number one, you weren't somebody that was kind of attacking him.

But you also did it in a cool, collected manner that you're just like, I get what you're trying to do. But, like, it actually is hurting me. And I think just the way that a lot of the guys were approaching it, obviously out of anger. Always, it just might not be the best way. But I was actually shocked when he said, hold on a second. Like, I'm actually going to give an apology now because we were trying to get that the entire evening. I want to ask you as somebody who was there who also knew the men because you lived together for a while. Because we saw a lot of apologies during mental while.

I felt like it was an apology tour for some of these men between Jamie, Martin, Chris S. Even I would say Peter and Will with each other. do you feel like a lot of those apologies were true and were honest and that they meant it? Or did you feel like it was just because they were caught, they were called out on a television show? The only one from that night I was a little worried and concern about was Chris because I know Chris starting off in the house. You know, everyone was really close. And Chris was close to a lot of people as well. And I know we've all had a lot of good talks and I've had some deep discussions with Chris as well.

So I think to put it in the most respectful way possible, that night I was a little bit more disappointed in Chris, Chris's approach and apology because it just didn't, it didn't feel as genuine. And I was really hoping that he was going to show us that. And not to say in terms of redemption, because maybe it was, but he spoke the least that night. And I was really hoping that he would, he would speak up and say, hey, you know, I'm so. sorry for what I said. I'm sorry for what I did. And I was kind of looking forward more to that. And I feel like that was the only one that night I didn't really get. And that one sucked because we all started off pretty close. And once again, I didn't really agree with how that ended. Right. It's just interesting because typically watching it back kind of like

makes you kind of realize, oh, shit, did I really do that? And did I really say those things? And unfortunately, he didn't really feel the need to say, I'm sorry or apologize for that. Um, but a lot of things happened. Like you said, it was a very eventful evening. And I'm glad you guys kind of got to hash out a lot of the things, not necessarily you specifically, but a lot of the guys did. And it was nice to see some of those apologies be made. Um, but you had an effect on a lot of people and influenced a lot of people.

Um, even a man in the crowd. Um, in fact, you gave him a lot of courage to, um, actually streak in front of my eyes, which I never want to ever see again. And I'm really blame you for that. No, no, no, please. No, it's all you're fault. I do not want to influence people in that way at all. You're giving them courage, Rodney, but I don't need that much courage, okay?

Not in that way. I was like, sir, please. Sir, please. To your seat. Oh, my gosh. You're very inspirational. let's leave it at that very inspirational um something we didn't all uh think what happened but thankfully security was there um this was the first time that you saw michel since she sent you home

after hometowns and i'm assuming correct me if i'm wrong but that was the first time watching you actually get i don't want to use this word eliminated but was that your first time watching it back yes it was okay and obviously I mean you had very strong feelings you for Michelle

you had such a strong connection between the two of you and I think even after meeting the family it just bonded you so much more so having to relive that what was going through your mind

watching that back and then knowing she's about to come out and you're going to see her for the first time again um it was a it was a crazy feeling to say at least um you know kind of like a kind of kind of like a shaking

a little bit you know i was just uh so excited and anxious to see her but also kind of like nervous you know i really that's kind of just how i felt at first and then she gets out there and starts talking and once again i i felt at ease um and she's really good i mean you guys have seen her of it. She's really good. I just really comforting you and kind of making you feel calm. And so it really put me back in, it really put me back in that presence and that space with her, making sure, like, I felt, I felt good. I felt comfortable. And even though it was, it was definitely tough to see her at first, I knew, I knew that it needed to be done. And I was still, it was really kind of like bittersweet but I was really excited to see her and for us both to kind of obviously I mean I'm sure that she's moved on she's you know she's amazing and for me I think it was kind of more so closure for myself and us seeing each other me being able to speak to her again um us kind of laugh and joke and still share a hug at the end of the night it was just something like her and I both know where we stand and how we support and care

for each other. And she knows that no matter what, I'm always going to cheer her on, I'm going to root for her. And I mentioned it at Men Tell All that I'm always going to be Team Michelle and root for her happiness. And like I said, I know the Calvert men that were in there. So no matter what, I knew if it wasn't with me that she was going to be happy with one of these three amazing men, who I know their character. And, you know, they were each ready to truly fall in love with Michelle and give her the world as well, just as myself. So I was really just happy for her and for her to kind of say the same thing. Like, I'm always going to be Team Rod.

I'm always going to cheer you on. And I wish you nothing but the best in happiness and success. It just made me feel so much better. And it really gave me the closure I needed that night to truly kind of move on from that relationship and from that connection that we had. So I'm always going to cheer her on and I'll always have her back. I love that. Well, it seems like she's always.

going to have your back too. I mean, you have always said to your team, Michelle. She has always been team Rodney so much so that after she sent you home, she gave you some love on her Instagram. I'm so glad that she shared that with the world because it just reiterates how incredible of a man and just overall human you are. What was your reaction to seeing that? That just made me smile so big. I was just so happy. happy, happy to see that because, you know, we're human beings and we all want, we all want the feeling to be mutual. And so even though Michelle and I did not share that love connection, that romantic connection, we could still support each other and we could still care deeply

for each other. And so that really made me happy and seeing that once again, she's so great with that but she always like gives me the confirmation I need that hey I know she needed to be seen I wanted to be seen as well in this process and she always made sure where I was she always made me feel like I was the only guy in the room no matter what we're going through and so Michelle is just so great with that and seeing that post like just made me smile so big I'm like I'm just glad that the feeling is mutual like everything she said just resonated with me so deeply um and yeah just it really uh it really made me smile I was really happy seeing them it made us happy too Well, you're a good one, Rodney, and we're so happy that you're able to grace our screens.

Hopefully, we'll see you again soon. Maybe, I don't know, on the beaches of paradise. If not, well... Rodney, would you do it? Would you? We need to know. Tasha and I had a small conversation about this before you joined us. I really don't know.

I don't know. That's kind of a tough decision for me. I don't know if I'm fine. I can't read you right now. I feel like you kind of want to, but not really. I just, I'm not too sure. Especially right now, you can think about it. It's way too soon.

So, yeah, I mean, when the time comes, if I were to get that invitation. Becca, you got six months and four days. I mean, it just, it really depends right now. I definitely need a mental break. But, you know, when the time arises, I'm not sure. I won't completely write it off, but it would take a lot of thought and consideration. Oh, what a good answer. Hey, listen, okay, I was you.

I, well, no, I wasn't you. I always said I would never, ever, ever do it, okay? Then I did. Tachian I have very different experiences from Paradise, too. Continue. But I would say, as somebody who has been on The Bachelor, who was Bachelorette, and who then decided to do Paradise because I needed to fill my summer with something fun, Paradise was the most fun I've ever had filming.

The most fun. I would say, if you have no plans, if you're not in a relationship at that point, give it a go. also we just want to see more of you on our big screens okay yeah i'll leave i'll leave beck's advice he's like stop talking stop talking about here it's right now i think i don't want to give you my opinion on all that so it's great advice it's great advice thank you we always have a little game don't we always have games yeah we love our games

i love games okay well we're going to play a little game um and we're going to give you a most likely two and you're going to have to finish a sentence with the name of someone in Michelle's group of guys. We have asked all the guys these questions and your name came up quite often. So now that we have the man, the myth, the legend here, let's see what you had to say

about everybody else. Let's do it. Okay. So, first one, most likely to get the party started. If he says me for all of these, I'm going to die. Not a chick-hickets, not a chance. No, that's got to be mate. It's got to be my brand-mate. Okay.

Yeah. See, we always get you for that one. Really? Yes. There's a couple in here where we already know it's going to be Rodney out of the men's mouth. So who is most likely to start drama? Oh, that's a tough one.

I'd have to go with, I'd have to go with Peter. I have to go with Peter. Okay. I've had that one before, too. Haven't heard that ever. Okay. Most likely to get the guys laughing You know what?

I'll say I'll say Nate I just really funny I'll say Nate Are you just saying Nate because he's your best friend Yeah wait what Is he an easy out I think just us Us is a pair of roommates

Like everyone knew as soon as Nate and Roddy walk in You're going to laugh and smile some way somehow So I think that's just how I love it I love hearing about these friendships Okay, who's most likely to leave their wallet at home? Oh, wow. I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with Daniel. I'm going to go with my boy, Daniel.

I don't know why I'm saying it, but he's really good with the salsa hips, so I can see him pass him in the mirror before he leaves, and then the wallet slips out, and then he pulls up without no wallet. So I'm going to have to go with Daniel. Very destructive. Okay. Yeah, sorry. No, it's good.

I love it. A little TMR. Most likely to start a dance party. Oh, my boy, Leroy. Yeah, no, Leroy. Most definitely, yeah, he's got gigs. He would always get me hyped up. We heard he's a good dancer.

Yeah. Why didn't we see any of this? I'm mad we didn't get to see any of that. I told him, too. I was like, I wanted to see more of you on my screen. Like, I miss you, man. Like, you know, he's such a great guy. He's such an amazing person.

So, yeah. Not enough of Leroy. Maybe in paradise. guys when you joined, too. Who's most likely to skinny dip in the pool? Great question. I don't know why I'm thinking Martin

and or Brandon. I don't know why I'm thinking those. Oh, wow. We would work out together, shirts off and everything, and I feel like they would just be ready to hop it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Who's most likely to go to bed

first? Oh, that's definitely a 100% sleepy joe cool sleepy joe 100% no he needs that man just needs a pillow and he's out man I love that guy he's amazing um yeah no he just

needs a pillow he's a man after my own heart okay besides Nate who I was just going to say that who's most likely to be a groomsman in your wedding you can't say Nate besides Nate okay let's see

they're all amazing um as you can tell i connected with so many of them were so close i'd have to go besides mate i'd have to go with joe i'd have to go with joe of leroy um yeah okay okay so we had one guy on who literally named i think everyone on the season and i was like you're gonna have a massive bachelor party um okay one last question before we go we ask everyone this overall from the season what was your rose and what was your thorn Great question. My rose, my rose would have to be two moments. First, Michelle and I on the pond for my one-on-one date. That is easily by far the most romantic date I've ever been on, but also just being with her, sharing space with her, having that moment, her sharing her story, me telling mine, us connecting on that pond. And on that boat, it was just amazing. It was, it was an amazing night and just so beautiful. I loved it. And second one would have to be my behind-the-back shot. I mean, that moment, I mean, that's just luckiest shot of my life.

And, of course, it would happen on the Bachelorette. So. It was iconic. It was a TV gold. It was an amazing, amazing day. So, yeah, it was my second moment. Now, my thorn would have to be. my thorn would have to be, you ladies already know,

the sleep and the hours, insane. Like, I don't even know if I could say that, but I was just so tired. I was a zombie. You could tell night one, I'm, like, falling asleep at the rose ceremony. And she calls my name, I'm like, okay, great, thank you. I get this day, I'm so excited. And people are like, why are you so mad at the road ceremony?

I'm like, I'm not. I'm just dead tired, like, you're tired. So that would have to be my only thorn. Thankfully, I mean, obviously I'm pretty positive. so I would never really go off or anything like Rodney, we need you for ITM, Manchat. Cool, let's do it. Let's knock it out. Other guys, not so much

when we get fed up. It's actually really hilarious. I love those guys so much, but it's really funny when they get fed up. I won't even name names because they know who they are. But yeah, it was good time. Oh, good. All right, Rodney. Well, thank you for joining us. Give your mom our best.

It was a pleasure to have you both on today. Thank you so much, ladies. I appreciate your time. This was so much fun. and I hope to see you soon. Yeah, very soon. Take care. See you later.

Bye. Oh, he's the best. Love him. He just, he's such a good balance between funny, charismatic, but still down to earth and mature. Like, I know we've already announced and filmed an entire season of The Bachelor, but if that didn't already happen, Rodney would have my vote all the way. I think I would have to be, I think I would have to agree with you. I think he's a total package.

I feel like he has so much to offer. And obviously, the whole world kind of fell in love with him. He's a good guy. And his mom is incredible too. I was just going to say, and his mom is gold. Two for one. What? Yeah.

Oh, man. Yeah. I hope he finds just an incredible partner when he's ready. Maybe it'll be on Paradise. If I win, maybe not. Who knows? I can't wait to see what the future has in store for him. so um absolutely it has been a pleasure tasha i know you're a very busy woman you got to run so thank you

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